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JRE MMA Show #30 with Sean O'Malley & Tim Welch

Joe is joined by UFC Bantamweight fighter "Sugar" Sean O'Malley & welterweight fighter & coach Tim Welch.

"Sugar" Sean O'MalleyguestJoe RoganhostTim WelchguestGuest (third participant, likely in-studio friend/producer)guest
Jun 6, 20183h 32mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    Sugar. …

    1. "O

      Sugar.

    2. JR

      Three, two, one. (hand slaps) And we're live. Sugar Sean and, uh, Tim Welch, your friend-

    3. "O

      Yes.

    4. JR

      ... that you brought with you here today.

    5. "O

      Friend, teammate, coach, brother.

    6. JR

      Both of you from Montana. Montana people, it's good, it's a good place.

    7. TW

      Yeah, it is. But for what we do, it's not the best place. (laughs)

    8. "O

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Yeah, how much training can you get in Montana? It's not, not the best spot. Like, when I was there, uh, two years ago, pheasant hunting with Anthony Bourdain, and that guy is such a maniac. He trains everywhere he goes every day, and he found some club, some local jujitsu club in Montana, in Bozeman, and was rolling with people.

    10. "O

      Brian Dietz probably.

    11. TW

      Yeah, Bozeman's probably one of the better places to train, but the one thing good about being from Montana is when we were in Phoenix, it's like a big process getting a fight. Sugar, how many amateur fights you have?

    12. "O

      Yeah, I had 14 MMA fights, uh, amateur MMA fights, four kickboxing, couple boxing. It was every weekend. I could-

    13. JR

      In Montana?

    14. "O

      ... fight every weekend. Yeah.

    15. JR

      So Montana people are just angry, just wanna (smacks lips) fight.

    16. TW

      You can-

    17. "O

      We just like to fight.

    18. JR

      They're just mad.

    19. TW

      You can sign up that week and fight, so you can get-

    20. "O

      (sighs)

    21. TW

      ... a ton of fights-

    22. "O

      No commission.

    23. TW

      ... no commission.

    24. JR

      No commission? Oh, that's good.

    25. TW

      So you can fight.

    26. JR

      So it's a manly place, that Montana.

    27. TW

      (laughs) Yeah, it is.

    28. JR

      It is. It's quite manly. I mean, you guys have grizzly bears and shit, lots of elk.

    29. TW

      Oh, yeah. (laughs) Yep.

    30. JR

      Elk, grizzly bears, wolves, you know. I was there, uh, two summers ago, I went, and just was like, "Man, I need to figure out a way how to spend more time here." I was in Bozeman.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    Helena, the capital. Um,…

    1. JR

      part of Montana are you from?

    2. "O

      Helena, the capital. Um, but yeah, I never... I... So I boxed a little bit, but I never, never wrestled. Didn't really grapple. I remember I knew one arm... I knew an arm bar off my back. It was the only thing I knew, and that's what I caught that wrestler in. I, I got him in an arm bar. I surprised... I didn't even... I was like, "Holy shit, I just did that." But anyway, I came down, got beat up bad for a week. Um, went back sa- went back to Montana. Um, saved up $2,000, packed my car, drove down. He was living with his girlfriend at the time. Um, we stayed there for two weeks, and then we got an apartment. Um, and I, I'd only known Tim a little bit, but we got an apartment close to the lab, and I just literally went every single day, twice a day.

    3. TW

      When he first showed up, he like... I was gonna s- I smoked some weed the night, and he was so taken back. He's like, "Holy shit." He looked up to me, couldn't believe that I was doing that drug.

    4. JR

      That you smoked weed? (laughs)

    5. "O

      My dad-

    6. TW

      Couldn't fucking believe it.

    7. "O

      ... my dad's a detective in, in Montana.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. "O

      And I just... I was raised like weed's not good, not good. Like, that's what was going through my mind. I thought it was bad, like really bad.

    10. TW

      We'd have debates about it too.

    11. "O

      And I remember I came... Oh yeah, I remember I came down-

    12. JR

      Montana's one of the few places that went backwards with weed.

    13. TW

      Yeah.

    14. "O

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      They had medical marijuana in Montana, and now they're removing it. They're removing all the stores. When I was there, they were like... They were having some sort of a closeout sale 'cause they were, they were getting shut down. I don't know if that's since been amended or fixed.

    16. "O

      I don't know.

    17. JR

      But-

    18. "O

      That sucks, though. It... Yeah.

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. TW

      And when he, when he moved in, when he moved in, uh, I was like, "Okay, this kid's fucking pissing me off. He's not picking up his shit. He's not, not doing his dishes. He eats like shit."

    21. "O

      My mom did all that for me.

    22. TW

      And I'm like, "Okay." I either could get pissed off and kick him out, but then I realized, I'm like, "He doesn't even know. He doesn't even know." So I'm gonna work with him, I'm gonna try to treat him like my little brother and help him. And he was willing to, like, kind of follow along, and then he started slowly starting to eat better, started to eat spinach, and then his back problem started to go away. And, um...

    23. JR

      What kind of back problem did you say?

    24. "O

      I just... My back would always hurt. It was always inflamed, always. I don't know what it was. I just, I...

    25. JR

      Did you get it looked at?

    26. "O

      I remember getting it looked at. My mom-

    27. JR

      Lower, lower back?

    28. "O

      It was, it was, it was nothing. It was literally from eating shitty food. It was c- uh, just all the inflammation from all the shitty food I was eating, and I didn't know that at the time. I remember my mom took me in there and like, "Oh, your back's fine." But it was... It hurt so bad always. I started eating more anti-inflammatories. I started making shakes with spinach and almond milk and blueberries and chia seeds. I started eating healthier, and I'd slowly noticed like, "Oh, I feel better." I started... So I started getting more into eating healthier. I remember just recently, um, I ate a vegan diet for six months, and the people on Instagram hate me now that I don't eat the vegan diet anymore. I get messages-

    29. JR

      Yeah, when you go off vegan diet, man, that's like when you become a m- a Muslim apostate.

    30. "O

      Seriously. I...

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    Go out there and…

    1. TW

      (laughs) I'm like-

    2. "O

      Go out there and get some pussy. (laughs) You're 20.

    3. TW

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      That is, that is so preposterous, you fucker.

    5. TW

      Seriously.

    6. JR

      You know, and they were, um, they were going, uh, to other countries as missionaries, you know, getting these people-

    7. "O

      Riding their bikes around.

    8. JR

      ... South America and, you know, going up to them and saying, "Hey, you know, come join the cult."

    9. "O

      I remember my dad was watching UFC when I was... I had to have been 12 or 13, and I thought it was the w-... I was like-... I, I remember telling my mom that he was watching. I told on him, like, that he's watching two guys fight. I thought it was the craziest thing ever. I hated it.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. "O

      I did not like confrontation.

    12. JR

      How old were you?

    13. "O

      Like, 12, 13 years old. And I, I remember literally telling on my dad that he was watching-

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. "O

      ... the UFC.

    16. JR

      (groans)

    17. "O

      It's funny looking back on that.

    18. JR

      That's hilarious.

    19. "O

      Yeah, it was funny, though.

    20. JR

      Wow. Do you remember who was fighting?

    21. "O

      I don't. I member he, he... I remember Chuck and Tito and then Urijah, Urijah Faber. Those are the three guys, like, I remember-

    22. JR

      Their names?

    23. "O

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. "O

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      Do you believe they're gonna fight again?

    27. "O

      A- Are they getting it on again?

    28. JR

      No way. Chuck and Tito are supposed-

    29. "O

      Bullshit.

    30. JR

      ... to be fighting again.

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    Damn. …

    1. JR

      as you're gonna... If you find, like, a 10, 11-year-old elk, holy shit, that guy's lived forever and their teeth are all worn down and-

    2. TW

      Damn.

    3. "O

      Wow, I didn't even know.

    4. JR

      And...

    5. "O

      I didn't know that. I had no idea.

    6. JR

      Yeah, they don't live very long, you know? It's a hustle and they're, they're out there just fighting for their life and trying to get by. Most of the time, they're just grazing, but they'll look up and they'll see a wolf or something and it's like, "Fuck, it's on, man."

    7. TW

      (gasps)

    8. JR

      I have some friends that live in Idaho, and you know, Idah- Idaho has a considerable wolf population, and they went on this scouting trip and when they were up in the hills, they kept finding w- well, they found four dead really large bull elk that were torn apart by wolves o- over the course of, like, a 10-mile hike. They found four of them laying there dead, torn apart by wolves.

    9. TW

      Fuck, man.

    10. JR

      And they're like, "Holy shit." Like, "This is crazy." So the wolves will eat part of it, leave it there. I mean, it's cold as shit where they are. They don't have to worry about the meat going bad.

    11. TW

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      So they'll kill it, tear it apart, and then they'll find another one, and they'll... Their instinct is to go after the next one. They don't, they don't, like, just kill one and say, "We got enough food. We'll eat this until we're full and then when we get hungry, we'll hunt another one."

    13. "O

      Damn, they're hunters.

    14. JR

      Yeah, they're, they do what's called, um-

    15. TW

      Sheesh.

    16. JR

      ... th- the... What, what do they call it? It's not, like, it's... They don't... I don't, don't call it sport hunting. There's a word for it when they kill, like, they, they... It's w- was it Wyoming? What was that one crazy story in Wyoming? They killed 19 elk and didn't even eat them.

    17. TW

      What?

    18. JR

      Yeah, they-

    19. "O

      And they do it for fun?

    20. JR

      No, they don't do it for fun. They can't help themselves. It's like-

    21. TW

      Surplus killing.

    22. JR

      ... surplus killing.

    23. TW

      Sheesh.

    24. "O

      Jesus.

    25. JR

      They just n- they know they can get away with it, so they just do it. And then they'll, they'll cache them. Yeah, look at this.

    26. TW

      I saw that movie.

    27. JR

      19 elk. They, they, they recovered all of them-

    28. TW

      Savage little dudes.

    29. JR

      ... and stacked them.

    30. "O

      Holy shit.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:36

    Fucking long limbs just…

    1. JR

      I first started to train there for the first year or so, Mr. Kim was in Korea and I learned everything from, uh, Mr. O'Malley.

    2. TW

      Fucking long limbs just like Sugar too.

    3. JR

      Oh, he was so fast too.

    4. TW

      That's sweet.

    5. JR

      So fast. He was so fast. He would do demonstrations on people, you know, like, demonstrations on how to set things up. And you would see him do things and it was just... It was confusing. You'd be like, "Fuck, imagine if that guy was trying to kick me." Like how you-

    6. TW

      In front of you?

    7. JR

      Yeah, 'cause you'd be fucked 'cause he was so good at setting things up and footwork and movement. And so when I saw you, I was like, "Holy shit, this kid looks like Michael O'Malley."

    8. TW

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Like, I thought you were his son.

    10. TW

      That's funny.

    11. JR

      Like, I really did. I was like, "Holy shit, his son is fighting?" 'Cause I haven't talked to Michael-

    12. TW

      That's awesome.

    13. JR

      ... in a long time.

    14. TW

      (laughs) That's sweet.

    15. "O

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      I really did think that you were his son.

    17. TW

      That would've been nuts.

    18. "O

      That woulda been.

    19. JR

      Yeah, I was like, "Wow-"

    20. TW

      Man.

    21. JR

      "... when I see this kid, I gotta ask him." Nope.

    22. "O

      Nope. No, nope.

    23. JR

      Maybe.

    24. "O

      Not my dad. Who knows?

    25. JR

      Maybe someone's on a-

    26. "O

      Who knows?

    27. JR

      ... traveling journey, you know what I'm saying?

    28. TW

      (laughs)

    29. "O

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:32:25

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