JRE MMA Show #31 with Daniel Straus & Joe Schilling

1. 0:01 – 0:44

   Kick-machine warm-up and Straus’ unbelievable comeback setup

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Here we go in five, four, three, two, one. Boom! Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Schilling and Daniel Strauss (singing) in the fucking house.

   2. JSJoe Schilling0:12

      What up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Joe Schilling's just fucking up my kick machine out there, man. That thing ain't reading right, dude.

   4. JSJoe Schilling0:16

      It... I mean, I hope not. It would really hurt my ego out there.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You were lighting that fucker on fire. That thing is not r- We gotta get that recalibrated. (laughs)

   6. JSJoe Schilling0:22

      Joe's in here com- (laughs) Joe's in here complaining about a sciatic pain in his hip and still out-kicked me. I'm like, "What is going on out here?"

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      (laughs)

   8. JSJoe Schilling0:29

      I'm all sweaty.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Forget about sciatic pain, Daniel Strauss, you've gone through some fucking pain, dude.

   10. DSDaniel Straus0:34

       That's right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       You are defying science and doctors and-

   12. DSDaniel Straus0:38

       (laughs) Trying to.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       They were telling you it was over.

   14. DSDaniel Straus0:40

       Yeah, it was, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Tell everybody the whole story. Put this-

   16. DSDaniel Straus0:43

       I-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Bring this sucker up here.

2. 0:44 – 1:49

   The hit-and-run motorcycle crash: what Straus remembers (and doesn’t)

   1. DSDaniel Straus0:44

      All right. How the story goes, um, I was out one night, buddy of mine was having trouble, needed somebody to go out with him, so, uh, I was around the city that night. And, um, after taking him home, we were leaving the highway. As it split off, I was coming around. Was a-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:01

      You on a bike?

   3. DSDaniel Straus1:02

      Yeah, I was on a bike, so, and I had a passenger. So what was c- called 826, is the highway, as it splits off to 95, I was going around 826. (clears throat) Now, here's the tricky part. Don't really remember what's going on from there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      Right.

   5. DSDaniel Straus1:16

      So the, what me and the passenger, uh, remember, we were hit from either the side or from the back. Um, but coming around the bend, boom, coming around, got pushed into the wall. I wake up under the, uh, guardrail. Can't move. You know, uh, nobody else is there and the car is gone. There was not really a witness there until, like, later pulling up behind us. So yeah, it fucked me up for a while. I mean, fuck me up right now, but you know, uh, getting back to just what it is, the body's healing and...

3. 1:49 – 2:26

   Diagnosis: spinal cord contusions and full-body shutdown fears

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      So what was the extent of your injuries?

   2. DSDaniel Straus1:50

      All right. So, uh, I had, um, (smacks lips) in my C4, 5, and 6, uh, I had contusions on my spinal cord. And half of my... on the left side of my spinal cord, there was, uh, pressure so bad that it, like, shut down my whole nervous system, like all my body. So, uh, in my... up in my neck and in my middle of my back was just compressed, a lot of the swelling, and that's what, uh, caused a lot of the, you know, not being able to walk, not being able to feel, the nervous problems, nervous system that I have, or the nervous, uh, issues that I had, so...

4. 2:26 – 3:48

   “Surgery right now”: refusing fusion and choosing NeuroFit360 rehab

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      What did they do to fix it?

   2. DSDaniel Straus2:28

      I've been rehabbing. Uh, they wanted to do surgery right away, but-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      How many months ago was this you're talking about?

   4. DSDaniel Straus2:33

      This was in December.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      December.

   6. DSDaniel Straus2:33

      This was December 17th. So, um, they wanted to do re- uh, they wanted to do, uh, surgery immediately, you know. And I'm trying to tell them like, "No, I'm, I'm trying to fight again," blah, blah, blah, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:46

      What kind of surgery? Fusion it?

   8. DSDaniel Straus2:48

      Uh, that's what they wanted to do. They wanted to go in, take the... I think the th- f- I wanna say the three to the five or four to the six or something, fuse that all together.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:59

      Oh.

   10. DSDaniel Straus2:59

       Which obviously there's no way and that's... and it's a big spot, so, uh, wasn't trying to have that. Looked, uh, for... we looked for, you know, a couple rehab places and eventually got hooked up with a place called, uh, NeuroFit360. So I've been rehabbing there since the accident. And I mean, it's been going great.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Where is that? Where is NeuroFit360?

   12. DSDaniel Straus3:17

       It's in, it's in Pembroke Pines, Florida, close to Miami. Uh, great crew. Um, but yeah, they've been getting me back in the game. I've been, uh... I was doing that extensively, uh, every day for, like, two days a week, two hour, or a couple hours a day, you know, two, two, three times a day.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       What kind of shit did they do for your neck?

   14. DSDaniel Straus3:35

       Uh, for mo- for me, first, we had to start with, um, you know, just the, um, (smacks lips) the fine motor stuff, touching, feeling, you know, I had problems where I lost sensitivities.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah.

5. 3:48 – 7:46

   Early aftermath: panic, paralysis thoughts, and relearning basic movement

   1. JSJoe Schilling3:48

      So, like, you wake up under the guardrail. You guy- you guys don't remember what happened. When you wake up in the hospital, what did they tell you before they got to all this stuff? There were like...

   2. DSDaniel Straus3:57

      Oh.

   3. JSJoe Schilling3:57

      Could you walk? Could you feel? Could you... like, how were you when you woke up? Come on.

   4. DSDaniel Straus4:00

      For me, um, when I woke up, boom. (snaps fingers) Yeah. So back to the story. When I woke up... (laughs)

   5. JSJoe Schilling4:07

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      (laughs)

   7. DSDaniel Straus4:07

      When I woke up-

   8. JSJoe Schilling4:07

      Just trying to help. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      (laughs)

   10. DSDaniel Straus4:09

       (laughs)

   11. JSJoe Schilling4:09

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       (laughs)

   13. DSDaniel Straus4:10

       So I woke up and, uh, you know, I had my helmet on, but I couldn't move my legs. Um, my passenger had went over top. She had, uh, hurt her hand, so she wasn't, like, extremely... but she had went out too, so I couldn't really feel nothing, couldn't see nothing. I was just telling them to get my helmet off, get my helmet off. Finally, a truck had pulled up and, uh, seen that we were in an accident and they... what they shouldn't, shouldn't do, but pulled me out. (exhales) And, uh, yeah, 'cause I was-

   14. JSJoe Schilling4:38

       Yeah.

   15. DSDaniel Straus4:38

       ... you know, I mean I was-

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       You're not supposed to touch anybody. That's-

   17. DSDaniel Straus4:40

       I'm like, "Hey, get me outta here. Get me outta here." So-

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Right.

   19. DSDaniel Straus4:43

       You know, I was freaking out. They pulled me out from under it and, uh, you know, going to the hospital, that whole... the scary part was, was knowing nothing was broke, but not being able to feel nothing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Right.

   21. DSDaniel Straus4:55

       Trying to wipe my face or trying to grab something and-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       You just couldn't move your arm at all?

   23. DSDaniel Straus4:59

       Yeah, in my head, in my head, I'm moving my leg, I'm moving my arm, nothing's going on. You know what I'm saying?

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       So you're thinking you're paralyzed.

   25. JSJoe Schilling5:06

       Whoa.

   26. DSDaniel Straus5:06

       I'm gone. It's a wrap.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Like Paul Williams?

   28. DSDaniel Straus5:08

       Yeah. I'm-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Oh, right.

   30. DSDaniel Straus5:10

       Just like, "Ah, fuck."
6. 7:46 – 11:31

   Progress checkpoints: MRI improvements, cautious sparring, and “broken toy” mindset

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:46

      And when, the most recent MRI, when did you get a r- wh- have you gotten one?

   2. DSDaniel Straus7:49

      Uh, got one about a month and a half ago.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      And what did they say?

   4. DSDaniel Straus7:53

      And things look good. It looks good. I mean, all the swellings went down. Um, the left side is clear. Uh, the only way I can explain it, there's two, there's two s- two lines, white lines, and it gets blocked. You know what I'm saying? That's where the fluid's coming out. My left side of my l- on the fluid was being blocked, so now I'm having a clear line of fluid going down my, my spinal cord.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:14

      So now it's just about healing?

   6. DSDaniel Straus8:15

      Yeah, which, you know, I've been working at, and that's the part to overcome, you know, the healing part. The, the neurological part and the nerves and all that part that goes with it, it's the body that can only... There's not too much that I, you know, can do to, to, to heal this, other than, you know, eating right, all the simple shit. But it's the body that's healing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      But it's crazy that you're sparring.

   8. DSDaniel Straus8:38

      Y- yeah, I do a lot of things I shouldn't do.

   9. JSJoe Schilling8:39

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       Now, you're sparring with friends so you know that everything's gonna be cool?

   11. DSDaniel Straus8:43

       I mean, good training partners. I was-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       Right.

   13. DSDaniel Straus8:46

       I was sparring, uh, down at Henry Hu's, um...

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Okay.

   15. DSDaniel Straus8:49

       H-Kickboxing was training down there, um, so... And I live in Fort Lauderdale, so, you know, that's, you know, working out with those guys, you know, no one's out there to hurt me or-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Right, right.

   17. DSDaniel Straus8:59

       ... try to get me hurt or injured. Everyone's had a lot of respect and love seeing-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       They're happy you're back.

   19. DSDaniel Straus9:03

       Yeah, love seeing me back. So I've never been in a situation where I'm trying to go super hard, not yet.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       Right.

   21. DSDaniel Straus9:08

       But I love to. Anybody wants one-

   22. JSJoe Schilling9:10

       (laughs)

   23. DSDaniel Straus9:10

       ... you can get it. We'll show up. Let, let me know.

   24. JSJoe Schilling9:14

       (laughs)

   25. DSDaniel Straus9:14

       We can get it, so.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       So are y- when you're hitting the bag or hitting pads, you feel like you have full strength, or...

   27. DSDaniel Straus9:19

       Um, no.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       No?

   29. DSDaniel Straus9:19

       No. And that's the thing that I'm, oh, that I'm excited about. I'm a broken toy that is dying to be fixed. You know what I mean? 'Cause I'm a brand new... You know, I could be fixed in any way. Like, I'm relearning everything. I'm not, you know, it's not like I can't box, it's not like I can't wrestle, but it's now just relearning the, you know...

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       The mechanics of it.
7. 11:31 – 14:27

   Neck health rabbit hole: stenosis, decompression, and “tech neck”

   1. DSDaniel Straus11:31

      Well, and I've had, uh, a lot of, uh, I think it's stenosis, I think they call it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      Spinal stenosis, yeah.

   3. DSDaniel Straus11:37

      From wrestling?

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      Yeah.

   5. DSDaniel Straus11:37

      For, for, for years.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      Right.

   7. DSDaniel Straus11:39

      You know what I mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      Of course.

   9. DSDaniel Straus11:40

      So, um,

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       ... do you do any decompression?

   11. DSDaniel Straus11:43

       I do a little bit here and there.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       Yeah.

   13. DSDaniel Straus11:44

       Whenever I can get to the, uh, chiropractor's I'm doing some or, you know, it's ... Like I said, it's been bad for years so this is-

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Have you seen that thing that you hook up to your neck and you, you hang from a doorway?

   15. DSDaniel Straus11:54

       Yeah. I don't like those though.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       And you just kind of like stretch it?

   17. DSDaniel Straus11:55

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       No?

   19. JSJoe Schilling11:56

       I don't like those. Yeah. I do that same thing with a, a rolled up towel or whatever, but hanging from the doorway.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JSJoe Schilling12:00

       It helps mine tremendously.

   22. DSDaniel Straus12:01

       Yeah.

   23. JSJoe Schilling12:01

       But I get mine, I'm sure from fighting, but then also like, I'll lay on my back at night and watch videos on my phone-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       And lay on your back. (laughs)

   25. JSJoe Schilling12:08

       ... and be like ... For like two weeks my neck will be all fucked up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Man, shit's terrible for you.

   27. JSJoe Schilling12:11

       I know, I know. It's terrible.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       Isn't it crazy? You're a professional fighter, you fuck up your back watching YouTube videos. (laughs)

   29. DSDaniel Straus12:15

       Yeah, for sure, right, for sure. But everyone's doing it man, that's all we do is just-

   30. JSJoe Schilling12:19

       Yeah.
8. 14:27 – 16:30

   Bellator support and why MMA needs stronger competition across promotions

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:27

      And how's Bellator treating all this?

   2. DSDaniel Straus14:29

      Great, man. Uh, I can't say anything negative about them 'cause they've always done nothing but help me out in situations. Uh, you know, I've been with them for some time, you know, and, uh ...

   3. JSJoe Schilling14:40

      Two-time world champion with Bellator.

   4. DSDaniel Straus14:41

      Yeah, two-time world champ, if y'all motherfuckers didn't know. (laughs)

   5. JSJoe Schilling14:45

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:45

      (laughs)

   7. JSJoe Schilling14:45

      If you don't know, now you know.

   8. DSDaniel Straus14:46

      Now you know. But, uh ... (laughs)

   9. JSJoe Schilling14:48

      (laughs)

   10. DSDaniel Straus14:49

       Yeah, they've always, they've always, they've always been fair to me, you know what I mean?

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       That's great.

   12. DSDaniel Straus14:55

       Obviously, you've always had problems here and there.

   13. JSJoe Schilling14:57

       Yeah.

   14. DSDaniel Straus14:57

       But I've never really had any major, you know, issues.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       I love Scott Coker.

   16. DSDaniel Straus15:00

       I, I do too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       He's a good dude.

   18. DSDaniel Straus15:02

       He's always been good to me, yeah.

   19. JSJoe Schilling15:03

       Yeah, he's always been really good.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       I hear nothing but good things too-

   21. JSJoe Schilling15:05

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       ... about Bellator and how they treat people.

   23. JSJoe Schilling15:06

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       Like guys who have gone over there said it's a, it's just a huge relief.

   25. JSJoe Schilling15:10

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       They get treated with respect, you know, like they were a little nervous about going over there.

   27. DSDaniel Straus15:14

       Right, right. You know, a lot of people always ask me, "Hey, what do you want?" I'm like, "Ah, this is home for me." You know what I mean? Like ...

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Mm-hmm. Man, the ide- ideal for everybody would be Bellator gets to the same state as the UFC.

   29. DSDaniel Straus15:25

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       The same level.
9. 16:30 – 20:01

   High Rollers: cannabis-infused jiu-jitsu event and training/learning while high

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:30

      Speaking of retiring and un-retiring, Joe Shilling back to MMA.

   2. JSJoe Schilling16:33

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:34

      I know you competed in the High Rollers event this weekend which, by the way, Eddie Bravo told me he was so high he thought he was going to jail.

   4. JSJoe Schilling16:39

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:39

      He, he told me, he goes, "I was convinced I was going to jail."

   6. JSJoe Schilling16:42

      It was-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:42

      (laughs) He goes, "I was so paranoid."

   8. JSJoe Schilling16:44

      It was such a cool event, it really was.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:46

      So explain the, the event for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about.

   10. JSJoe Schilling16:48

       Uh, so it was an event put on by, uh, Matt Stout and, uh, Big Lon, uh, my buddies, the High, they're called the High Rollers. And it's a cannabis-infused, uh, jiu-jitsu tournament is what they called it, you know. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Dudes were smoke ... What are those two dudes that slapped each other and then they, they smoked a joint together and chilled out?

   12. JSJoe Schilling17:06

       Yeah, they like heated or something between and they stepped out with a joint. I mean it was good, though. Before every match- (laughs) ... everybody smoked. Uh, they kind of smoked together and the whole event- (laughs) ... was a cannabis thing. There was no alcohol. The vibe was super chill. They played, uh, like, uh, hip hop in the background.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Wow.

   14. JSJoe Schilling17:20

       It was f- It was like kind of pr- star-studded event. Yo. It was really fucking cool. It was the be- it was by far the coolest martial arts event I've ever been to.

   15. DSDaniel Straus17:26

       Ha, ha, ha, ha.

   16. JSJoe Schilling17:27

       For real. It was dope.

   17. DSDaniel Straus17:28

       Shout out to that DJ, man. He did like eight hours straight with playing the same song, like only twice, played it twice.

   18. JSJoe Schilling17:35

       Yeah.

   19. DSDaniel Straus17:35

       That motherfucker was dope.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Really?

   21. DSDaniel Straus17:37

       The whole thing's dope.

   22. JSJoe Schilling17:38

       DJ Ebonics.

   23. DSDaniel Straus17:38

       Was it?

   24. JSJoe Schilling17:39

       Yeah.

   25. DSDaniel Straus17:39

       DJ Ebonics. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       It's a weird connection, marijuana with jiu-jitsu, and it's always been there. And people that don't know, like people that don't smoke weed, uh, have to tell them that ... Look at, here's Jeff Glover and his opponent smoking weed with Eddie.

   27. JSJoe Schilling17:52

       And Georgi Kurgashian. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       (laughs) ... it's hilarious, man. It is really, really funny that they're doing that, man. But I like it. I like-

   29. JSJoe Schilling18:00

       Yeah. It was a real cool event. It was real cool.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Jujitsu and weed have always been connected.
10. 20:01 – 45:45

    Fighting high, CBD/cryotherapy, and supplement stack for recovery

    1. DSDaniel Straus20:01

       I'm not a fan of it.

    2. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       You're not a fan of fighting high?

    3. DSDaniel Straus20:04

       No.

    4. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       No?

    5. DSDaniel Straus20:04

       No. I fought once high. And went-

    6. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       What happened?

    7. DSDaniel Straus20:07

       Well, for once, uh, for one, I went through the crowd instead of the- the walkway to the cage. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       (laughs)

    9. DSDaniel Straus20:14

       That's when I, that's when I knew I fucked up. And, uh...

    10. JRJoe Rogan20:18

        (laughs)

    11. DSDaniel Straus20:18

        Just shit.

    12. JSJoe Schilling20:18

        Well, how did you do, do it? Which way?

    13. DSDaniel Straus20:20

        Uh, like, you're- you're supposed to come out... It was at Shark Fights.

    14. JSJoe Schilling20:23

        Okay.

    15. DSDaniel Straus20:24

        And, uh, you come out and then you go at a L-shape and go straight to the cage.

    16. JRJoe Rogan20:29

        Right.

    17. DSDaniel Straus20:29

        I came out-

    18. JSJoe Schilling20:30

        That usher's always fucked that shit up though.

    19. DSDaniel Straus20:32

        Yeah. They fuckin'... That's happened, like, every time. You try to walk out the cage the wrong way. Like, "No, I'm wrong with the other way." So I came out just... Crowd sitting there and just beeline straight to the crowd. Excuse me, excuse me. Stepping on people.

    20. JSJoe Schilling20:44

        That's hilarious.

    21. DSDaniel Straus20:45

        Got to the cage, like, stepped over the fence, checked me out, got in there. I'm like, "Ah, man."

    22. JRJoe Rogan20:49

        I remember Shark Fights.

    23. DSDaniel Straus20:50

        No.

    24. JRJoe Rogan20:51

        That was, uh, Bud Brutsman's thing, right?

    25. DSDaniel Straus20:53

        Yeah, some guy. Some-

    26. JRJoe Rogan20:54

        Yeah, he's a buddy of mine.

    27. DSDaniel Straus20:55

        ... bullshit.

    28. JRJoe Rogan20:56

        Yeah, he was one of the original guys that owned King of the Cage.

    29. DSDaniel Straus20:58

        Was it?

    30. JRJoe Rogan20:59

        Yeah. Yeah, and then he got involved in Shark Fights.
11. 45:45 – 54:59

    Kratom, painkillers, and the hidden cost of daily anti-inflammatories

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Have you ever fucked with kratom?

    2. JSJoe Schilling45:47

       I never ... Uh, not really. I know people that have. I, I was, uh, I was hanging out with Simon Rex yesterday and he was telling me, like, some awesome stories about people that, uh, were addicted to opiates.

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JSJoe Schilling45:57

       They got off of it with kratom. I think it's awesome.

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       Simon Rex, AKA Dirt Nasty?

    6. JSJoe Schilling46:01

       Yeah, so good.

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       (laughs)

    8. JSJoe Schilling46:02

       So funny, dude. Such an awesome dude.

    9. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       He's a good dude. I, uh, I took eight krat- eight pills yesterday, which, uh, most of the time I was taking two, and then I took four, and then yesterday I took eight. Now I get it. That stuff makes you high as fuck.

    10. JSJoe Schilling46:18

        Really?

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:18

        When you take eight, my, my whole body felt weird. I was, I was, like, pretending to be sober. I was walking around pretending to be sober, but not, like, uh, drunk, not, not like reaction time, like, you know, like I almost knocked something off the counter, I caught it real quick. It's like everything's normal.

    12. JSJoe Schilling46:34

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:34

        Like, your body moves good, but, uh, you're like, "Woo." You feel weird. You feel like, "Woo." Like, you're under the effects.

    14. JSJoe Schilling46:41

        Oh. Like mentally or, like, physically feeling weird?

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:42

        Mentally, it's, it's very ni-

    16. JSJoe Schilling46:44

        Like a body buzz?

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:44

        Like, yeah, it gives you a body buzz, but it's, uh, it's great at alleviating anxiety.

    18. JSJoe Schilling46:49

        Hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:50

        Like, it makes you really chill. It's weird. It just, like, puts you in this nice headspace where you're just like, "Ah." Like, everything is calm. And I think the idea is that it fills up these opium receptors.

    20. DSDaniel Straus47:01

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:01

        And that's what, uh, what people that have had real problems with opiates, that's why they like it, because even if you're fucked up on it, you're not fucked up, like, "Ehh." Like, um, you're fucked up, like, "Whoo, I feel something. Something crazy is going on." And I, I was taking eight and, uh, my buddy, Chris Bell, he's the guy who directed that, uh, Bigger Stronger Faster documentary.

    22. DSDaniel Straus47:21

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:21

        He had a real problem with, uh, opiates. He got a, a pretty serious, uh, hip injury, had to get hip replacement surgery and was in massive pain. And when he ... He has, uh, serious arthritis, like, uh, genetic arthritis. And when he got his hip replaced and got on pain pills, he got hooked bad in the middle of making a documentary ab- about prescription drugs.

    24. DSDaniel Straus47:41

        (laughs)

    25. JSJoe Schilling47:41

        Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:42

        Which is crazy.

    27. JSJoe Schilling47:42

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:42

        In the middle of it, he got hooked himself, just total random, you know, synchronicity. And he takes 10.... he takes ten of those, so he takes two more than I took. And, uh, yesterday, for like four hours-

    29. JSJoe Schilling47:54

        Oh.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:54

        ... I was walking around like this. (yawns)
12. 54:59 – 1:00:14

    Schilling’s MMA return and the business reality: kickboxing ceiling vs MMA upside

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:59

       Now, you're making your move back to MMA because kickboxing is just not what it should be. I think we both feel that.

    2. JSJoe Schilling55:08

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:08

       Kickboxing is one of my favorite things to watch. I'm a giant fan of it. And for whatever reason, it is just not caught on in America the same way boxing has or the same way MMA has.

    4. JSJoe Schilling55:19

       No. And I've spent my whole, my whole... I've been doing this since I was 15, and I'm 34. So, all of that time, I've been thinking about this same question, and then I'm just, you know... Um, it is what it is.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:32

       Yeah.

    6. JSJoe Schilling55:32

       And it's like you can't hold onto it anymore. I mean, it's not for me. The sport is gonna grow, is gonna keep, keep doing good, and I hope that, uh, that continues. But for me, I need to, uh, to keep, keep progressing, so to speak.

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:45

       Yeah. That is, uh... It is what it is. I mean, that's the best way to put it.

    8. JSJoe Schilling55:49

       It is what it is.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:49

       Because there's no way we're gonna fix it.

    10. JSJoe Schilling55:52

        Mm-mm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        But I don't understand. You know? I mean, I really, really don't understand. I fucking love watching kickboxing. And when people tell me about how they love boxing, I'm like, "That's great. Boxing's great." I love boxing too.

    12. JSJoe Schilling56:03

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:04

        Kickboxing's way better than boxing.

    14. JSJoe Schilling56:05

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:06

        That, that, that extra level of, you know, throwing in kicks and knees, and, and especially if you go to Muay Thai, elbows and clinch. It's just, it's a wilder, crazier striking sport.

    16. JSJoe Schilling56:18

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        And I just don't understand it. I mean, when I watch you fight or Kevin fight or, uh, you know, Kevin Ross or Georgie Petrosian, John Wayne Parr, like how the fuck would you not want to watch that?

    18. JSJoe Schilling56:30

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        I mean, it's so exciting.

    20. JSJoe Schilling56:33

        And then continuously, like, the, they just don't. They just don't tune in. It's, it doesn't, it's like, what the fuck?

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:38

        I don't know. Look, I don't know what it is. I just don't understand. Is, does Bellator have real problems with their ratings when they air it?

    22. JSJoe Schilling56:44

        Um, I don't, I don't know exactly what their, their ratings are. I know that they're, uh, they're average. They're not super fantastic on any scale or ...

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:53

        So it's below what the average is for their MMA fights?

    24. JSJoe Schilling56:56

        Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:58

        Man, that's a bummer.

    26. JSJoe Schilling56:59

        For sure.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:59

        It's a real fucking bummer.

    28. JSJoe Schilling57:01

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:01

        Because for, for anybody who's a fan, anybody who likes watching it, like, shit. Like that event in LA, that Last Man Standing, holy fuck was that fun.

    30. JSJoe Schilling57:10

        Mm-hmm.
13. 1:00:14 – 1:09:54

    Muay Thai in Thailand: gambling-driven pacing, famous fighters, and skill ‘levels’

    1. JSJoe Schilling1:00:14

       Oh, five, five rounds.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       Five.

    3. JSJoe Schilling1:00:15

       When I was fighting Muay Thai, it was always five rounds.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       That's pretty, always l- always like that, right?

    5. JSJoe Schilling1:00:18

       Yeah. Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       Why is that?

    7. JSJoe Schilling1:00:20

       Um, I think the- um, the- the rule set in Thailand is, uh, based primarily around gambling. It's like c- human cockfighting is what Muay Thai is in- in Thailand, essentially. It sounds negative, but it's kinda that way. Everybody in the audience is- is gambling, they're betting and, you know, yelling and, uh, motioning back and forth between the betting. So like in Thailand, it's a three-minute round, but it's a two-minute rest, which I think is awesome. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Hmm, uh, it is awesome.

    9. JSJoe Schilling1:00:45

       But if you-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

        You ever fight over there?

    11. JSJoe Schilling1:00:47

        Yeah, I fought, uh, for the WBC world title over there, and-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

        Wow.

    13. JSJoe Schilling1:00:50

        ... I think-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

        What year was this?

    15. JSJoe Schilling1:00:52

        ... Puh... wah... I don't know. Jamie. (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

        (laughs)

    17. JSJoe Schilling1:00:56

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

        They play the music?

    19. JSJoe Schilling1:00:58

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

        Man.

    21. JSJoe Schilling1:00:58

        Yeah, for sure. And I fought at, uh, Rajadamnern Stadium in Thailand, which is like one of the-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

        Wow.

    23. JSJoe Schilling1:01:03

        Rajadamnern and, uh, Lumpinee-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

        Damn.

    25. JSJoe Schilling1:01:05

        ... are the two- the two big ones. So I fought over there. Um, uh, the two-minute rest is cool, except that you kinda run out of, like, things to talk about. Like, after-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

        (laughs)

    27. JSJoe Schilling1:01:15

        ... a minute, like, my coach and I were just like, "So, uh, all right." And I'm, like, looking at ring girls, like, "What? I, uh-"

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

        Did you fight a Thai guy?

    29. JSJoe Schilling1:01:22

        Uh, no. On both times, no. The first time, I fought a guy from Argentina at Rajadamnern Stadium, and then the second time I fought, uh, Kaopet Kaopetian from Golden Glory Gym-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

        Mm-hmm, yeah.

Episode duration: 1:44:39