JRE MMA Show #31 with Daniel Straus & Joe Schilling

Joe Rogan 0:01 Here we go in five, four, three, two, one. Boom! Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Schilling and Daniel Strauss (singing) in the fucking house.

Joe Schilling 0:12 What up?

Joe Rogan 0:12 Joe Schilling's just fucking up my kick machine out there, man. That thing ain't reading right, dude.

Joe Schilling 0:16 It... I mean, I hope not. It would really hurt my ego out there.

Joe Rogan 0:18 You were lighting that fucker on fire. That thing is not r- We gotta get that recalibrated. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 0:22 Joe's in here com- (laughs) Joe's in here complaining about a sciatic pain in his hip and still out-kicked me. I'm like, "What is going on out here?"

Joe Rogan 0:29 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 0:29 I'm all sweaty.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Forget about sciatic pain, Daniel Strauss, you've gone through some fucking pain, dude.

Daniel Straus 0:34 That's right.

Joe Rogan 0:34 You are defying science and doctors and-

Daniel Straus 0:38 (laughs) Trying to.

Joe Rogan 0:38 They were telling you it was over.

Daniel Straus 0:40 Yeah, it was, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:41 Tell everybody the whole story. Put this-

Daniel Straus 0:43 I-

Joe Rogan 0:43 Bring this sucker up here.

Daniel Straus 0:44 All right. How the story goes, um, I was out one night, buddy of mine was having trouble, needed somebody to go out with him, so, uh, I was around the city that night. And, um, after taking him home, we were leaving the highway. As it split off, I was coming around. Was a-

Joe Rogan 1:01 You on a bike?

Daniel Straus 1:02 Yeah, I was on a bike, so, and I had a passenger. So what was c- called 826, is the highway, as it splits off to 95, I was going around 826. (clears throat) Now, here's the tricky part. Don't really remember what's going on from there.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Right.

Daniel Straus 1:16 So the, what me and the passenger, uh, remember, we were hit from either the side or from the back. Um, but coming around the bend, boom, coming around, got pushed into the wall. I wake up under the, uh, guardrail. Can't move. You know, uh, nobody else is there and the car is gone. There was not really a witness there until, like, later pulling up behind us. So yeah, it fucked me up for a while. I mean, fuck me up right now, but you know, uh, getting back to just what it is, the body's healing and...

Joe Rogan 1:49 So what was the extent of your injuries?

Daniel Straus 1:50 All right. So, uh, I had, um, (smacks lips) in my C4, 5, and 6, uh, I had contusions on my spinal cord. And half of my... on the left side of my spinal cord, there was, uh, pressure so bad that it, like, shut down my whole nervous system, like all my body. So, uh, in my... up in my neck and in my middle of my back was just compressed, a lot of the swelling, and that's what, uh, caused a lot of the, you know, not being able to walk, not being able to feel, the nervous problems, nervous system that I have, or the nervous, uh, issues that I had, so...

Joe Rogan 2:26 What did they do to fix it?

Daniel Straus 2:28 I've been rehabbing. Uh, they wanted to do surgery right away, but-

Joe Rogan 2:32 How many months ago was this you're talking about?

Daniel Straus 2:33 This was in December.

Joe Rogan 2:33 December.

Daniel Straus 2:33 This was December 17th. So, um, they wanted to do re- uh, they wanted to do, uh, surgery immediately, you know. And I'm trying to tell them like, "No, I'm, I'm trying to fight again," blah, blah, blah, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:46 What kind of surgery? Fusion it?

Daniel Straus 2:48 Uh, that's what they wanted to do. They wanted to go in, take the... I think the th- f- I wanna say the three to the five or four to the six or something, fuse that all together.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Oh.

Daniel Straus 2:59 Which obviously there's no way and that's... and it's a big spot, so, uh, wasn't trying to have that. Looked, uh, for... we looked for, you know, a couple rehab places and eventually got hooked up with a place called, uh, NeuroFit360. So I've been rehabbing there since the accident. And I mean, it's been going great.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Where is that? Where is NeuroFit360?

Daniel Straus 3:17 It's in, it's in Pembroke Pines, Florida, close to Miami. Uh, great crew. Um, but yeah, they've been getting me back in the game. I've been, uh... I was doing that extensively, uh, every day for, like, two days a week, two hour, or a couple hours a day, you know, two, two, three times a day.

Joe Rogan 3:33 What kind of shit did they do for your neck?

Daniel Straus 3:35 Uh, for mo- for me, first, we had to start with, um, you know, just the, um, (smacks lips) the fine motor stuff, touching, feeling, you know, I had problems where I lost sensitivities.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 3:48 So, like, you wake up under the guardrail. You guy- you guys don't remember what happened. When you wake up in the hospital, what did they tell you before they got to all this stuff? There were like...

Daniel Straus 3:57 Oh.

Joe Schilling 3:57 Could you walk? Could you feel? Could you... like, how were you when you woke up? Come on.

Daniel Straus 4:00 For me, um, when I woke up, boom. (snaps fingers) Yeah. So back to the story. When I woke up... (laughs)

Joe Schilling 4:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:07 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 4:07 When I woke up-

Joe Schilling 4:07 Just trying to help. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 4:09 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 4:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 4:10 So I woke up and, uh, you know, I had my helmet on, but I couldn't move my legs. Um, my passenger had went over top. She had, uh, hurt her hand, so she wasn't, like, extremely... but she had went out too, so I couldn't really feel nothing, couldn't see nothing. I was just telling them to get my helmet off, get my helmet off. Finally, a truck had pulled up and, uh, seen that we were in an accident and they... what they shouldn't, shouldn't do, but pulled me out. (exhales) And, uh, yeah, 'cause I was-

Joe Schilling 4:38 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 4:38 ... you know, I mean I was-

Joe Rogan 4:39 You're not supposed to touch anybody. That's-

Daniel Straus 4:40 I'm like, "Hey, get me outta here. Get me outta here." So-

Joe Rogan 4:42 Right.

Daniel Straus 4:43 You know, I was freaking out. They pulled me out from under it and, uh, you know, going to the hospital, that whole... the scary part was, was knowing nothing was broke, but not being able to feel nothing.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Right.

Daniel Straus 4:55 Trying to wipe my face or trying to grab something and-

Joe Rogan 4:59 You just couldn't move your arm at all?

Daniel Straus 4:59 Yeah, in my head, in my head, I'm moving my leg, I'm moving my arm, nothing's going on. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 5:05 So you're thinking you're paralyzed.

Joe Schilling 5:06 Whoa.

Daniel Straus 5:06 I'm gone. It's a wrap.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Like Paul Williams?

Daniel Straus 5:08 Yeah. I'm-

Joe Rogan 5:09 Oh, right.

Daniel Straus 5:10 Just like, "Ah, fuck."

Joe Rogan 5:12 Right.

Daniel Straus 5:12 So I get to the, uh, hospital finally, uh, you know, they're trying to work on me. And, uh, seeing the doctors, he's telling me, "Well, you know, because of my neck, it's unlikely that I'll be, you know, walking anytime soon." You know, a couple of days, couple of weeks go after that, you know, just banging out and in, in the meantime, I'm trying to explain to him, "I'm an athlete. I know you see this. I've been through this, you know, type of incident before." You know, I grew up wrestling. I'm from Cincinnati, grew up wrestling. So I've had neck problems for, fuck, my whole life, you know what I mean? And, uh, so I'm trying to explain to him like, uh, "You know, I...... chill out, just give me some time, let me, let me work something out. I don't wanna do the surgery right now. I really wanna-

Joe Rogan 5:54 They wanted you to do it in the hospital-

Daniel Straus 5:55 Right then.

Joe Rogan 5:56 ... right after the accident.

Daniel Straus 5:56 Right then and there. "There's no other," you know, "There's no other choice. You're never gonna walk again. We gotta do it."

Joe Rogan 6:00 Do you wanna go back to them right now and go, "Hey, motherfucker. Look who, look who's walking around."

Daniel Straus 6:03 You already know. You know what I mean? And it's been like that majority of times in my career, where I've done something, something's happened, "Oh, you're not gonna be able to do this." You got me fucked up.

Joe Schilling 6:11 Bro, he was hitting pads with me at the gym yesterday.

Daniel Straus 6:14 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 6:14 The guy's been sparring. This happened in fucking December.

Daniel Straus 6:16 December, so.

Joe Schilling 6:16 It's insane. It's just insane.

Joe Rogan 6:18 Well, it, it just makes me sick that they always wanna cut you immediately when it comes to these things.

Daniel Straus 6:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Any, any kind of bulging disc issue, they wanna get in there.

Daniel Straus 6:25 Right. Yeah. And it, and it, it's hurtful to us because, you know, I understand they got a job to do, but do your job right. You know what I mean? Like give us-

Joe Rogan 6:33 They have one method.

Daniel Straus 6:34 Yeah. You know?

Joe Rogan 6:35 And the one method is surgery.

Daniel Straus 6:36 One method is surgery.

Joe Schilling 6:36 Cutting, cutting.

Daniel Straus 6:37 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 6:37 So, um, but yeah, like I said, I was rehabbing at NeuroFit 360, which is a, which is a great, uh, physical therapy place down there in Pembroke Pines. And, uh, you know, I've been getting back with, uh, you know, they had me strengthening my neck, which is small exercises, like I said. I started with fine motor stuff, while I had to work on a lot of balance stuff. You know, um...

Joe Rogan 6:59 You ever fuck with that iron neck thing? You ever use that thing yet?

Daniel Straus 7:02 No. I have not used that.

Joe Rogan 7:03 I got one out here.

Daniel Straus 7:05 I'll try it.

Joe Rogan 7:05 If you wanna mess around with it, it's fantastic.

Daniel Straus 7:07 Will. I will try it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 The thing's fantastic.

Daniel Straus 7:08 I'd love to, love to.

Joe Rogan 7:09 So you're six months out now.

Daniel Straus 7:13 Six months out, uh...

Joe Rogan 7:14 When did you start walking again?

Daniel Straus 7:16 It took me, uh, like, even now, I'm still, like, trying to get the form right, but, uh, it took me about three months.

Joe Rogan 7:25 'Cause you had to, like, relearn how to tie your shoe, right?

Joe Schilling 7:28 'Cause you had to, like, relearn how to tie your shoe, right?

Daniel Straus 7:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:29 Relearn how to tie your shoe?

Daniel Straus 7:29 Yeah, my hand, my motor... Like, my hand wasn't moving as right. It wasn't working as good. Um, it's just everything slowed down for me 'cause of the, 'cause of my spinal cord, so...

Joe Rogan 7:39 Wow.

Daniel Straus 7:40 You know, that is the most, for me, was the scariest part, because I was, everything's so unsure, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 7:46 And when, the most recent MRI, when did you get a r- wh- have you gotten one?

Daniel Straus 7:49 Uh, got one about a month and a half ago.

Joe Rogan 7:52 And what did they say?

Daniel Straus 7:53 And things look good. It looks good. I mean, all the swellings went down. Um, the left side is clear. Uh, the only way I can explain it, there's two, there's two s- two lines, white lines, and it gets blocked. You know what I'm saying? That's where the fluid's coming out. My left side of my l- on the fluid was being blocked, so now I'm having a clear line of fluid going down my, my spinal cord.

Joe Rogan 8:14 So now it's just about healing?

Daniel Straus 8:15 Yeah, which, you know, I've been working at, and that's the part to overcome, you know, the healing part. The, the neurological part and the nerves and all that part that goes with it, it's the body that can only... There's not too much that I, you know, can do to, to, to heal this, other than, you know, eating right, all the simple shit. But it's the body that's healing.

Joe Rogan 8:35 But it's crazy that you're sparring.

Daniel Straus 8:38 Y- yeah, I do a lot of things I shouldn't do.

Joe Schilling 8:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:40 Now, you're sparring with friends so you know that everything's gonna be cool?

Daniel Straus 8:43 I mean, good training partners. I was-

Joe Rogan 8:46 Right.

Daniel Straus 8:46 I was sparring, uh, down at Henry Hu's, um...

Joe Rogan 8:48 Okay.

Daniel Straus 8:49 H-Kickboxing was training down there, um, so... And I live in Fort Lauderdale, so, you know, that's, you know, working out with those guys, you know, no one's out there to hurt me or-

Joe Rogan 8:59 Right, right.

Daniel Straus 8:59 ... try to get me hurt or injured. Everyone's had a lot of respect and love seeing-

Joe Rogan 9:02 They're happy you're back.

Daniel Straus 9:03 Yeah, love seeing me back. So I've never been in a situation where I'm trying to go super hard, not yet.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Right.

Daniel Straus 9:08 But I love to. Anybody wants one-

Joe Schilling 9:10 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 9:10 ... you can get it. We'll show up. Let, let me know.

Joe Schilling 9:14 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 9:14 We can get it, so.

Joe Rogan 9:14 So are y- when you're hitting the bag or hitting pads, you feel like you have full strength, or...

Daniel Straus 9:19 Um, no.

Joe Rogan 9:19 No?

Daniel Straus 9:19 No. And that's the thing that I'm, oh, that I'm excited about. I'm a broken toy that is dying to be fixed. You know what I mean? 'Cause I'm a brand new... You know, I could be fixed in any way. Like, I'm relearning everything. I'm not, you know, it's not like I can't box, it's not like I can't wrestle, but it's now just relearning the, you know...

Joe Rogan 9:40 The mechanics of it.

Daniel Straus 9:40 Mechanics, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Your brain knows how to do it.

Daniel Straus 9:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:42 But your body's gotta relearn it.

Daniel Straus 9:43 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Wow. So.

Joe Schilling 9:44 And it's like the nerve, the nerve stuff is on the, the right side of your body, right?

Daniel Straus 9:49 Right.

Joe Schilling 9:49 And it's like the muscle memory coming back, even yesterday when I was holding pads, from, like, his jab was a little weak and, like, his, his, uh, lifting of his foot or whatever the thing we were trying to do. But once, as we were doing it, once he felt the right way to do it, then he could repeat it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 10:03 And I think that's a lot...

Daniel Straus 10:04 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 10:04 So... That one's a lot to do with it.

Daniel Straus 10:06 And it's big for me, man. I want to really wanna be back in, in the cage by the end of this year.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Really?

Daniel Straus 10:12 You know what I mean? I, I wanna be fighting by the end of this year, and it's not impossible. You know?

Joe Rogan 10:16 Well, you got a great attitude, man.

Daniel Straus 10:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 This idea that you love it, that you're a broken toy and you're gonna rebuild it and fix it, and it's exciting.

Daniel Straus 10:22 For sure. For sure.

Joe Rogan 10:23 Well, it gives you an, an, an opportunity to kind of start again.

Daniel Straus 10:26 I mean, that's been my whole life (laughs) , my whole life. So I'm just there again at this point in my career. And unfortunately, this had to happen for me to turn a corner and get focused in another way. But, you know, it's just what it has to be.

Joe Rogan 10:42 But it's so exciting that you have this attitude. That's the, that's the cool thing about it.

Daniel Straus 10:46 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 10:46 It's like you're not, "Woe is me." You're like, "Hey, uh, I'm gonna rebuild. I'm gonna get right back in there."

Daniel Straus 10:52 Yeah, man. I mean...

Joe Rogan 10:53 You must be so excited that you can just do everything again.

Daniel Straus 10:57 Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, first was finding out what worked, had to make sure the dick worked first.

Joe Rogan 11:03 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 11:03 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 11:03 And then it's like, "All right, we're cool. Walking comes next."

Joe Schilling 11:07 All right, I'll continue living. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 Walking comes next. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 11:08 I'm still in the fighting.

Daniel Straus 11:09 Walking comes next, yeah.

Joe Schilling 11:09 I can always fuck off my back.

Joe Rogan 11:11 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 11:11 Shit, right. So, you know, yeah, just making sure I can do shit.

Daniel Straus 11:16 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 11:16 Being able to breathe and... You know, the first, you know, first couple of months was just brutal, you know, not being able to wipe my ass.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Right.

Daniel Straus 11:25 Not being able to eat, not being-

Joe Rogan 11:26 And this, did it slowly start to come back where you got, like, some motion?

Daniel Straus 11:30 It did. It did.

Joe Rogan 11:31 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 11:31 Well, and I've had, uh, a lot of, uh, I think it's stenosis, I think they call it.

Joe Rogan 11:36 Spinal stenosis, yeah.

Daniel Straus 11:37 From wrestling?

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 11:37 For, for, for years.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Right.

Daniel Straus 11:39 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 11:39 Of course.

Daniel Straus 11:40 So, um,

Joe Rogan 11:41 ... do you do any decompression?

Daniel Straus 11:43 I do a little bit here and there.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 11:44 Whenever I can get to the, uh, chiropractor's I'm doing some or, you know, it's ... Like I said, it's been bad for years so this is-

Joe Rogan 11:50 Have you seen that thing that you hook up to your neck and you, you hang from a doorway?

Daniel Straus 11:54 Yeah. I don't like those though.

Joe Rogan 11:55 And you just kind of like stretch it?

Daniel Straus 11:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:55 No?

Joe Schilling 11:56 I don't like those. Yeah. I do that same thing with a, a rolled up towel or whatever, but hanging from the doorway.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 12:00 It helps mine tremendously.

Daniel Straus 12:01 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 12:01 But I get mine, I'm sure from fighting, but then also like, I'll lay on my back at night and watch videos on my phone-

Joe Rogan 12:08 And lay on your back. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 12:08 ... and be like ... For like two weeks my neck will be all fucked up.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Man, shit's terrible for you.

Joe Schilling 12:11 I know, I know. It's terrible.

Joe Rogan 12:11 Isn't it crazy? You're a professional fighter, you fuck up your back watching YouTube videos. (laughs)

Daniel Straus 12:15 Yeah, for sure, right, for sure. But everyone's doing it man, that's all we do is just-

Joe Schilling 12:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:19 I know.

Joe Schilling 12:20 The whole world today.

Daniel Straus 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 The whole world is doing this.

Daniel Straus 12:22 Yeah, this shit ...

Joe Rogan 12:22 I mean, people's necks are changing.

Joe Schilling 12:24 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 12:24 Yeah, it's terrible.

Daniel Straus 12:26 If it wasn't for like, you know, being aware and this that I have now for like my neck, neck injuries just seeing a lot of things I'm like trying to posture up and just seeing the shit 'cause I'm just ... I'm always like this. Neck's always hurting.

Joe Rogan 12:39 Right.

Daniel Straus 12:39 Always hurting, always hurting. So, you know, it's been one thing after another for years and that's actually leading into this, you know, this accident with, uh, well, this injury, you know. Um ...

Joe Rogan 12:50 Try to keep his mic closer like this, man.

Daniel Straus 12:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 12:52 Yeah, there you go.

Daniel Straus 12:52 My bad. No mobile too y'all, so ...

Joe Rogan 12:55 Um, are you ... How old are you now, Daniel?

Daniel Straus 12:57 I am 33. I'll be 34. (laughs) I'm at the age where you forget how old you are.

Joe Schilling 13:03 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 13:04 So, uh, I'll be 34 in, uh, July.

Joe Rogan 13:06 Well, you're, you're healthy and, you know, the ability to recuperate from something that's that devastating that quickly shows what good shape you're in. That must have a big impact on, on your rehab process, right?

Daniel Straus 13:19 Yeah, it does. It does.

Joe Rogan 13:20 I mean a regular person that has that kind of injury probably is not gonna bounce back like that.

Daniel Straus 13:24 No, not as quickly. I mean being, like I said, being an athlete has helped me tremendously. I mean, with my neck being obviously as strong as it was the, you know, the damage would have been, been worse. But, uh, being able to bounce back was been, you know, being young, being able to, uh ... I put my body through so much that this is, eh, compared to what, you know, it's been through, so ... Yeah, being young has definitely helped me and trying to keep that, that, that time away, but, you know ...

Joe Rogan 13:54 So how will you know when you can get back in there? Are you wrestling yet?

Daniel Straus 13:57 Yeah, I'm wrestling, doing everything.

Joe Rogan 13:59 You're wrestling?

Daniel Straus 13:59 Um, wrestling.

Joe Rogan 14:00 Full clip?

Daniel Straus 14:01 I've wrestled, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:02 Wow.

Daniel Straus 14:03 Um ...

Joe Rogan 14:03 Are you not nervous about getting your neck yanked on?

Daniel Straus 14:06 Uh, I was nervous before, you know what I mean.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Right.

Daniel Straus 14:08 But now I'm just getting confident with getting my neck strong, making sure I don't do the stupid moves that I've been doing the caused the injuries, so ...

Joe Rogan 14:16 Mm-hmm.

Daniel Straus 14:17 Um, my next step is just being clear. Being seen by a doctor, a neurologist, "Yes, you can fight," sign off, let's get back to business, so ...

Joe Rogan 14:27 And how's Bellator treating all this?

Daniel Straus 14:29 Great, man. Uh, I can't say anything negative about them 'cause they've always done nothing but help me out in situations. Uh, you know, I've been with them for some time, you know, and, uh ...

Joe Schilling 14:40 Two-time world champion with Bellator.

Daniel Straus 14:41 Yeah, two-time world champ, if y'all motherfuckers didn't know. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 14:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:45 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 14:45 If you don't know, now you know.

Daniel Straus 14:46 Now you know. But, uh ... (laughs)

Joe Schilling 14:48 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 14:49 Yeah, they've always, they've always, they've always been fair to me, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 14:54 That's great.

Daniel Straus 14:55 Obviously, you've always had problems here and there.

Joe Schilling 14:57 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 14:57 But I've never really had any major, you know, issues.

Joe Rogan 14:59 I love Scott Coker.

Daniel Straus 15:00 I, I do too.

Joe Rogan 15:01 He's a good dude.

Daniel Straus 15:02 He's always been good to me, yeah.

Joe Schilling 15:03 Yeah, he's always been really good.

Joe Rogan 15:04 I hear nothing but good things too-

Joe Schilling 15:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:05 ... about Bellator and how they treat people.

Joe Schilling 15:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:06 Like guys who have gone over there said it's a, it's just a huge relief.

Joe Schilling 15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:11 They get treated with respect, you know, like they were a little nervous about going over there.

Daniel Straus 15:14 Right, right. You know, a lot of people always ask me, "Hey, what do you want?" I'm like, "Ah, this is home for me." You know what I mean? Like ...

Joe Rogan 15:20 Mm-hmm. Man, the ide- ideal for everybody would be Bellator gets to the same state as the UFC.

Daniel Straus 15:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:25 The same level.

Daniel Straus 15:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:26 That would be ideal.

Daniel Straus 15:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 That's ... That would help the world. Like, if you see Gennady Golovkin fighting Canelo Alvarez you don't give a fuck if it's Golden Boy versus Bob Arum.

Joe Schilling 15:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Nobody gives a shit.

Daniel Straus 15:35 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 15:35 Of course not. Right.

Joe Rogan 15:36 They wanna see-

Daniel Straus 15:37 Divorce.

Joe Rogan 15:37 ... two world champions go after it.

Daniel Straus 15:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:39 That's, that's what everybody wants to see.

Daniel Straus 15:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Ultimately, that's what I would like to see across the board, you know. I mean, I don't think it harms anybody. I think it helps everybody.

Daniel Straus 15:47 Right, yeah.

Joe Schilling 15:47 Competition's definitely good.

Joe Rogan 15:48 It's better for everybody. It's better for the athletes for sure, you know, and the more money that's gets thrown around and the more promo-

Joe Schilling 15:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 I mean if, if a superstar emerges from Bellator that's at the same level that Ronda was or Conor is or something like that-

Daniel Straus 16:01 That'd be amazing.

Joe Rogan 16:01 ... that's great for everybody.

Joe Schilling 16:03 Mm-hmm.

Daniel Straus 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 For everybody. And, you know, there's a possibility there too, I mean, Michael Venom Page is, he's getting a lot of mainstream press. People are paying attention to him now 'cause of all the crazy shit he does in there.

Daniel Straus 16:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:13 We need more of that.

Daniel Straus 16:14 I thought he actually had retired from MMA. What was the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 'Cause he boxed for a while?

Joe Schilling 16:17 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 16:17 I thought he like retired from MMA, boxed or something, nothing.

Joe Rogan 16:21 You know what, man-

Daniel Straus 16:21 That's great.

Joe Rogan 16:21 ... dude like that probably would retire and un-retire just for the press, you know.

Joe Schilling 16:26 Yeah. That seems to be the thing.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 16:27 It happens a lot. (laughs)

Daniel Straus 16:29 Yeah, yeah. It's going on.

Joe Schilling 16:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:30 Speaking of retiring and un-retiring, Joe Shilling back to MMA.

Joe Schilling 16:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 I know you competed in the High Rollers event this weekend which, by the way, Eddie Bravo told me he was so high he thought he was going to jail.

Joe Schilling 16:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:39 He, he told me, he goes, "I was convinced I was going to jail."

Joe Schilling 16:42 It was-

Joe Rogan 16:42 (laughs) He goes, "I was so paranoid."

Joe Schilling 16:44 It was such a cool event, it really was.

Joe Rogan 16:46 So explain the, the event for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about.

Joe Schilling 16:48 Uh, so it was an event put on by, uh, Matt Stout and, uh, Big Lon, uh, my buddies, the High, they're called the High Rollers. And it's a cannabis-infused, uh, jiu-jitsu tournament is what they called it, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:00 Dudes were smoke ... What are those two dudes that slapped each other and then they, they smoked a joint together and chilled out?

Joe Schilling 17:06 Yeah, they like heated or something between and they stepped out with a joint. I mean it was good, though. Before every match- (laughs) ... everybody smoked. Uh, they kind of smoked together and the whole event- (laughs) ... was a cannabis thing. There was no alcohol. The vibe was super chill. They played, uh, like, uh, hip hop in the background.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Wow.

Joe Schilling 17:20 It was f- It was like kind of pr- star-studded event. Yo. It was really fucking cool. It was the be- it was by far the coolest martial arts event I've ever been to.

Daniel Straus 17:26 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Joe Schilling 17:27 For real. It was dope.

Daniel Straus 17:28 Shout out to that DJ, man. He did like eight hours straight with playing the same song, like only twice, played it twice.

Joe Schilling 17:35 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 17:35 That motherfucker was dope.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Really?

Daniel Straus 17:37 The whole thing's dope.

Joe Schilling 17:38 DJ Ebonics.

Daniel Straus 17:38 Was it?

Joe Schilling 17:39 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 17:39 DJ Ebonics. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:40 It's a weird connection, marijuana with jiu-jitsu, and it's always been there. And people that don't know, like people that don't smoke weed, uh, have to tell them that ... Look at, here's Jeff Glover and his opponent smoking weed with Eddie.

Joe Schilling 17:52 And Georgi Kurgashian. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:54 (laughs) ... it's hilarious, man. It is really, really funny that they're doing that, man. But I like it. I like-

Joe Schilling 18:00 Yeah. It was a real cool event. It was real cool.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Jujitsu and weed have always been connected.

Daniel Straus 18:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:05 For as long as I've been-

Daniel Straus 18:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:06 ... doing jujitsu, people smoked pot in the parking lot and then went in and rolled.

Joe Schilling 18:11 Right.

Daniel Straus 18:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:11 That's, uh, you know-

Joe Schilling 18:12 They still do. I mean, that's why I don't-

Joe Rogan 18:13 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 18:14 Kickboxing, I do.

Joe Schilling 18:14 Kickboxing apparently is the same way 'cause it's-

Joe Rogan 18:16 Is it?

Joe Schilling 18:16 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 18:17 That's how you practice. It's how you get focused.

Joe Schilling 18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Yeah. Did... Is it... I always found that I'm not good at learning when I'm high, or maybe I get too high and I can't learn. Like, like someone will show me something and I'm not sure where to put my legs, like, "What do I do? Step over here? Where do I put my right foot? What?"

Joe Schilling 18:33 Yeah, I find that a little bit.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Yeah. But when I'm rolling, if I'm rolling high, then it just, you just get into that zone and you flow.

Joe Schilling 18:39 I almost feel like it's like programming. Like, if you... You know, like, when they say, like, uh, if you take a... If when you study for a test you're sucking on peppermint and then the day of the test you take pepp- you, like, suck on peppermint and you're supposed to help you remember? Have you had that before?

Joe Rogan 18:51 Oh, yeah.

Daniel Straus 18:52 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 18:53 I feel like that's kinda how it is with, uh, with martial arts. For me anyway. Like, I'm high as fuck and I'm kinda, like, just, uh, program into my deep subconscious or whatever.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:03 And think that it's-

Daniel Straus 19:04 Do you think, like-

Joe Schilling 19:04 ... my thought, maybe.

Daniel Straus 19:05 ... you think smoking all the time when you train and the smoking... not smoking when you perform, do you think that has a... like, a positive or negative effect?

Joe Schilling 19:14 Uh, I don't know. I- I don't really th- well...

Joe Rogan 19:17 Well, let me ask you this. If- if-

Daniel Straus 19:18 That was the first time I-

Joe Rogan 19:19 ... Bellator said, "We're not testing for weed. You can fight high as fuck." What would you do?

Joe Schilling 19:24 I'd smoke that day.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Woo.

Joe Schilling 19:25 I wouldn't smoke probably 10 minutes before.

Joe Rogan 19:27 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 19:27 I got a lot of shit going on in my head.

Joe Rogan 19:29 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 19:29 Like, "Ah, you know, this is cool, this is cool on a high rollers event." But like-

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yeah. It's different from fighting.

Joe Schilling 19:34 ... there's a lot of money on the line through a fight, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Well, it's also, you know, the consequences are a lot different, you know.

Daniel Straus 19:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Zigging and zagging.

Daniel Straus 19:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:41 It's a lot different when kicks-

Daniel Straus 19:44 You're-

Joe Rogan 19:44 ... and punches are being thrown.

Joe Schilling 19:45 Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Well, remember when Nate D or Nick rather, uh, fought Gomi? Nick fought Gomi hundreds-

Joe Schilling 19:52 Well, I mean, I know Nick and I... Uh, if you asked him that question he'd be like, "Oh, I be smoking right then." Like, he would for sure smoke something.

Joe Rogan 19:57 Oh, yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:57 For sure.

Joe Rogan 19:57 100%. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:59 I bet he would fight better.

Joe Schilling 20:01 Probably.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 20:01 I'm not a fan of it.

Joe Rogan 20:02 You're not a fan of fighting high?

Daniel Straus 20:04 No.

Joe Rogan 20:04 No?

Daniel Straus 20:04 No. I fought once high. And went-

Joe Rogan 20:06 What happened?

Daniel Straus 20:07 Well, for once, uh, for one, I went through the crowd instead of the- the walkway to the cage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:14 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 20:14 That's when I, that's when I knew I fucked up. And, uh...

Joe Rogan 20:18 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 20:18 Just shit.

Joe Schilling 20:18 Well, how did you do, do it? Which way?

Daniel Straus 20:20 Uh, like, you're- you're supposed to come out... It was at Shark Fights.

Joe Schilling 20:23 Okay.

Daniel Straus 20:24 And, uh, you come out and then you go at a L-shape and go straight to the cage.

Joe Rogan 20:29 Right.

Daniel Straus 20:29 I came out-

Joe Schilling 20:30 That usher's always fucked that shit up though.

Daniel Straus 20:32 Yeah. They fuckin'... That's happened, like, every time. You try to walk out the cage the wrong way. Like, "No, I'm wrong with the other way." So I came out just... Crowd sitting there and just beeline straight to the crowd. Excuse me, excuse me. Stepping on people.

Joe Schilling 20:44 That's hilarious.

Daniel Straus 20:45 Got to the cage, like, stepped over the fence, checked me out, got in there. I'm like, "Ah, man."

Joe Rogan 20:49 I remember Shark Fights.

Daniel Straus 20:50 No.

Joe Rogan 20:51 That was, uh, Bud Brutsman's thing, right?

Daniel Straus 20:53 Yeah, some guy. Some-

Joe Rogan 20:54 Yeah, he's a buddy of mine.

Daniel Straus 20:55 ... bullshit.

Joe Rogan 20:56 Yeah, he was one of the original guys that owned King of the Cage.

Daniel Straus 20:58 Was it?

Joe Rogan 20:59 Yeah. Yeah, and then he got involved in Shark Fights.

Daniel Straus 21:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 21:02 Somebody... What... Did they have something to do with, like, Shine Fights as well?

Joe Rogan 21:05 I don't know. Maybe. There's a few people involved.

Daniel Straus 21:08 That was good... It was a good card that I was on. It had, uh, Georgi Podelia. It had, uh, uh, Shokujir on it, uh, fuck, it was a bunch of people on them.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Hmm. So what was it like fighting high?

Daniel Straus 21:21 (sighs) Well, for me, at the time, that was my biggest event. And I was fighting, uh, uh, Karin Darburidian. So it was the biggest name I had fought. To me, it was like, "Ah, fuck." You know what I mean? I just was kinda overwhelmed. I wasn't a jujit... I didn't know much about jujitsu. Actually, that whole fight was weird because on Monday I separated my arm, or separated my shoulder. Wednesday they called me for the fight. Saturday I fought. So-

Joe Schilling 21:48 He separated... You just thought, "I guess I'll get high for this."

Daniel Straus 21:50 Right. You know what I mean? But-

Joe Rogan 21:51 When you said you separated your shoulder, like, what-

Daniel Straus 21:53 Like, separation. Like, a separated shoulder. Like-

Joe Rogan 21:56 Like a torn muscle?

Daniel Straus 21:57 No, no, no. Um, yeah. Up in the, um... I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, it's been-

Joe Rogan 22:02 Did it heal up?

Daniel Straus 22:03 Yeah, well, we got it, like, bandaged up, got it working, fought with it, healed it up after.

Joe Rogan 22:08 You fought with a bandage on it?

Daniel Straus 22:09 No, no. Didn't fight with a ban- bandage up. But the next two days, kinda healed on it, iced it, worked on it as much as I can. Went out there, uh, was in Texas, fought and, uh, yeah. It was just... For me, it was weird. Like I said-

Joe Rogan 22:23 How'd the fight go?

Daniel Straus 22:24 Won. Decision. Uh, like I said, first round he, uh, threw a bunch of, like, leg locks which-

Joe Rogan 22:29 Yeah. He's a serious-

Daniel Straus 22:31 ... spooked me.

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... serious leg lock dude.

Daniel Straus 22:32 And that's what I was saying. Like, I'm high, leg locks, don't know what's going on.

Joe Rogan 22:36 (screams)

Daniel Straus 22:37 Like, "Ah, I just wanna get out of here," so, so...

Joe Rogan 22:40 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 22:40 Yeah, it was, it was a bad thing for me. It wasn't-

Joe Rogan 22:43 So one and done for fighting high.

Daniel Straus 22:45 One and done. I was like, "Yeah, I'm cool in this."

Joe Rogan 22:47 Have you ever fought high?

Joe Schilling 22:49 Uh, I mean, I'm sure I've fought... I'd spar high all the time.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 22:53 Um, yeah, I've fought high.

Joe Rogan 22:56 (laughs) What's your feeling about that?

Joe Schilling 22:58 Uh, I think it... Like, uh, well, for this jujitsu tournament. You know, jujitsu's not my strong suit, obviously, and so for me, that was my first jujitsu tournament. And, uh, we just put on the gi, like, about a month ago when Matt told me about the thing. He said, "Oh, you should do it." And Mickey Gall, who I train with every day, and, uh, him and Bomba, and we were like, "All right, fuck it. We'll do it." So we started putting on the gi and, uh, yeah, it was, uh... I didn't wanna make a fool of myself. So being high and having that, like, pressure, like, not being completely comfortable I think was different. But, like-

Joe Rogan 23:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 23:26 ... in a kickboxing fight, I could probably be drunk and still be pretty comfortable-

Joe Rogan 23:30 Do you think-

Joe Schilling 23:30 ... with what I'm doing, you know? So...

Daniel Straus 23:33 It's me up next.

Joe Rogan 23:35 Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that, and I- I'm one of them, I think that marijuana is a performance enhancing drug.

Joe Schilling 23:40 I def- I definitely think so.

Daniel Straus 23:41 You think so?

Joe Schilling 23:41 Yeah, on a certain, on certain levels.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah, um, certain levels. So I think-

Daniel Straus 23:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 ... it could fuck you up, but, but it's... If you get the dose right, I think it puts you in a zone.... you know, a comfortable zone.

Joe Schilling 23:51 Right. And I think that the, a lot of, I mean, for performance, like, how it's gonna increase your performance is not being super stressed out over bullshit the week of.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Right.

Joe Schilling 23:58 That's where I find the most benefit, like when I would quit smoking weed for a couple of days before the fight, that was when it's like, now is when I need it the most. And I was one of the most stressed out, it's when I had the most anxiety, when I have-

Joe Rogan 24:09 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 24:09 ... when I'm the hungriest, like ... And I was like, "This sucks." You know?

Joe Rogan 24:11 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 24:11 If I can just blaze and just relax, I think that helps.

Joe Rogan 24:14 Hey, man, are you doing any cryotherapy or anything to reduce swelling?

Daniel Straus 24:17 A little. Like I said, I was doing a little bit with, uh, the, um, the, um ... I'm trying to blank. The chiropractor that I was going to.

Joe Rogan 24:26 Mm-hmm.

Daniel Straus 24:26 But I haven't done much of it. But that's one thing I really wanted to get into because of the swelling. Uh, a lot, like I said, a lot of it's went down over the, over the time, but body mil- feels amazing after that. Incredible.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yeah, dude, I'm a big fan.

Joe Schilling 24:40 And you're doing like super doses of, uh, CBD though, too.

Daniel Straus 24:43 Yeah, a lot of CBD, a lot of CBD.

Joe Schilling 24:45 I think that's the big part of it.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Is that some of that in that bag you gave me?

Daniel Straus 24:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check that out. That's, uh, some Flavor Rex stuff that, uh, flavor-

Joe Rogan 24:51 'Cause you can't stop crazy shirt in there too? (laughs)

Joe Schilling 24:53 There is quite a few can't stop crazy shirts in there too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:56 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 24:56 I text you this morning, I'm like, "Is he a medium or a large or an extra large?" "No, Joe's freaking yoked. I don't give a fuck."

Daniel Straus 25:00 He is big guy.

Joe Rogan 25:01 You are mean. I was like, "This sucks."

Joe Schilling 25:02 I'm shagged as fuck. Fuck.

Daniel Straus 25:04 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 25:05 I put larges in there. Damn it.

Daniel Straus 25:07 Only fit the horse.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Perfect.

Joe Schilling 25:09 It'll shrink for you, Joe.

Daniel Straus 25:10 With Jays, it's, uh, a company called Flave. It's a CBD company I've been working with for some time.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Oh, is this a CBD pen?

Joe Schilling 25:17 Uh-

Daniel Straus 25:17 Yeah, that's a ... Like medicated drops, like it gives you like a certain dose every time you click it.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Oh, oh. I've been using, um ... You ever heard of that company Jambo?

Joe Schilling 25:27 No.

Daniel Straus 25:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:28 They just sent me some CBD, uh, rub on. Holy shit.

Joe Schilling 25:32 Does that work for you?

Joe Rogan 25:33 Fuck yeah. 2,000 milligrams CBD rub on.

Daniel Straus 25:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:35 I told you this sciatic pain's been fucking with me over the last week or so. And, uh, I rub it on my hip, like, it's like my ass muscle, like right over, like right here-

Joe Schilling 25:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:43 ... that's where it, like it- it travels down. And I rub that shit on before I go to bed. I wake up-

Joe Schilling 25:47 'Cause Flave has these, uh, they have like medicated patches you can use. They have roll-ons that you could use. They have like salve stuff.

Joe Rogan 25:54 How does this work? I don't know.

Joe Schilling 25:54 And, uh, I just feel like I smoke so much weed with CBD in it all the time that it don't, it doesn't seem to work for me.

Joe Rogan 26:00 Hm.

Daniel Straus 26:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 26:00 I don't notice it, you know? And then they have like these droppers, I use that like crazy.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yeah, maybe you just got too much of a tolerance.

Joe Schilling 26:07 Well, I just think if you, you know, if you smoke weed constantly, there's CBD in everything, you know.

Daniel Straus 26:11 Right.

Joe Schilling 26:11 So you're hitting both.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Right.

Joe Schilling 26:12 So like when, when, uh, my coach who's like 65 and never smokes weed and I give him, put that shit on him, he's like, "Oh my God, my elbow feels crazy."

Joe Rogan 26:19 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 26:19 Right.

Joe Schilling 26:20 Me, I'm just like, "Eh."

Joe Rogan 26:21 You need to get you some of that, I'll get you some of that Jambo shit. It's better than anything-

Joe Schilling 26:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:23 ... I've ever used before. Yeah, it's, they have two versions. They have a 1,000 milligram and 2,000 milligram.

Joe Schilling 26:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:28 And I put that 2,000 milligram on and it's got like, uh, menthol in it so you feel it like in your skin.

Joe Schilling 26:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Like, "Woo."

Joe Schilling 26:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:33 Heats up.

Daniel Straus 26:34 Only time I've really ever feeling that is like using it on my neck.

Joe Schilling 26:38 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 26:38 Like using it on my neck and I've used it on my hand too, where I've, like the achiness doesn't ... The achiness goes away, but on my neck is where I felt it the most, like up in the pain.

Joe Schilling 26:48 But I put, uh, there's, uh, CBD vaporizers in there, there's CBD bath bomb. We used that before on my buddy's fight. The day of the fight, we dropped it in the, uh, in the hot tub.

Daniel Straus 26:59 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 26:59 Like just to get chill. CBD bomb.

Daniel Straus 27:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 There are some fucking monsters out there that are trying to make this illegal. It is crazy.

Joe Schilling 27:05 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 27:05 Those pharmaceutical assholes.

Joe Schilling 27:07 Fuck those guys. Fuck those guys.

Daniel Straus 27:08 It's bad.

Joe Rogan 27:08 It's so scary that someone would do that. They would try to spend money to try to make this stuff illegal.

Joe Schilling 27:13 And then while they're doing that, they legalize like the fucking GMO synthetic version, which is like actually killing people.

Daniel Straus 27:19 Exactly.

Joe Schilling 27:20 Like seriously, fuck those people.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Or fentanyl. That shit's killing everybody.

Daniel Straus 27:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:23 That shit killed Prince, it killed David Bowie, it killed ... Who the fuck else did it kill? It killed, it killed a bunch of people this year.

Daniel Straus 27:33 God.

Joe Rogan 27:33 Oh, Tom Petty, killed Tom Petty too. Did it kill David Bowie or did I make that up? Something killed David Bowie.

Joe Schilling 27:40 Who knows?

Joe Rogan 27:42 What's the ball? What's this?

Joe Schilling 27:43 Oh, so that's a, it's a CBD bath bomb.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Damn.

Joe Schilling 27:46 You just drop that in, that's it. That's fucking good.

Joe Rogan 27:48 Oh, they're not fucking around, these stoners.

Daniel Straus 27:50 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 27:50 That shit, that shit's legit.

Daniel Straus 27:51 Word.

Joe Schilling 27:52 That shit's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 27:52 They don't stop, they don't fuck around.

Joe Schilling 27:53 That's the only time I really feel like a, a rub on effect from CBD is like I'll soak in one of those, just relax.

Daniel Straus 27:58 Never did the bath bomb, yeah.

Joe Schilling 28:00 It's good.

Daniel Straus 28:00 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 28:03 And it's fun to watch that you drop it in and all dissolves real quick.

Daniel Straus 28:05 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 28:06 It's like my eyes.

Daniel Straus 28:06 Just put it like that.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Man, there's a lot of shit in here. I got a lot of shit in here.

Joe Schilling 28:08 I brought you some stuff, Joe.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Beautiful. Thank you.

Daniel Straus 28:10 I got some good little, uh, you know, chew- chewies and edibles.

Joe Rogan 28:13 CBD candy. Whoa.

Joe Schilling 28:15 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 28:15 Good stuff.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Oh, man.

Daniel Straus 28:16 Good stuff.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Exciting. Ooh.

Joe Schilling 28:18 Flavor X got it all.

Daniel Straus 28:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:19 (clears throat)

Joe Schilling 28:20 And this is awesome. I take this on my international flights allegedly. The key fob.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Is it a le- is it legal?

Joe Schilling 28:26 Uh, I lo- I mean, it's legal, but it's, uh, when you put the, the vape pen into it-

Joe Rogan 28:30 Oh.

Joe Schilling 28:31 ... it looks like a car key.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Oh.

Joe Schilling 28:33 So you can fold it in.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Oh.

Joe Schilling 28:34 Nightclubs, wherever you want.

Joe Rogan 28:35 Look at that.

Joe Schilling 28:36 I just walk right in security.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Oh, that's crazy. And then it pops up.

Joe Schilling 28:40 And then I'm like, "Man, fuck it." Yeah.

Daniel Straus 28:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:40 Oh, that is-

Joe Schilling 28:41 So you screw the-

Daniel Straus 28:41 Hit the side.

Joe Schilling 28:42 ... the caps on from ...

Joe Rogan 28:43 From this?

Joe Schilling 28:43 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:44 You put it in there?

Joe Schilling 28:45 Give me that thing.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Damn.

Joe Schilling 28:46 Give me that there, Joe.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Look at this. And these, look at these, this candy chew jazz.

Joe Schilling 28:51 They're so jazz. So my complaint about the candy thing is if they're gonna have like, uh ...

Joe Rogan 28:57 Mum.

Joe Schilling 28:57 Thos- those are CBD but they have the THC ones too.

Daniel Straus 29:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 29:00 And if you're gonna have THC like super potent candy, they shouldn't taste so fucking good 'cause I'll eat the whole bag.

Daniel Straus 29:05 Right.

Joe Schilling 29:06 You know what I mean? Like who's gonna eat just one?

Joe Rogan 29:08 That's very good.

Joe Schilling 29:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:10 That's watermelon.

Joe Schilling 29:11 I've seen them in like two or three bags-

Daniel Straus 29:14 Watermelon.

Joe Schilling 29:15 ... at once.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Yeah, thi- this says watermelon belt. It's like a belt.

Joe Schilling 29:18 Super low-key.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Dude, that's the shit.

Joe Schilling 29:22 Check it right here. Awesome.

Joe Rogan 29:22 This is the shit. Look at this thing. I love it.

Joe Schilling 29:26 And then I think it has like, uh, there's three different settings for heat of how you ... And I just burn it.

Joe Rogan 29:33 These kids today.

Joe Schilling 29:34 Oh, you gotta turn it on five times. Click it, find that.

Joe Rogan 29:36 One, two ... No, it's wrong.

Joe Schilling 29:37 Oh, it's that one.

Joe Rogan 29:38 One, two, three, four, five. There it goes.

Joe Schilling 29:40 Boom.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Nope.

Joe Schilling 29:49 Give me that shit.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Maybe it has to heat up. (laughs) Get it working, Joe.

Joe Schilling 29:54 Fucking it up here, Joe.

Joe Rogan 29:55 No, you got it? You got- you got it.

Joe Schilling 29:57 Yeah, way.

Joe Rogan 29:57 You got it going. Maybe it had to heat up. There it goes. There it goes. Burning. That's good. How is, uh, Bellator's drug testing policy?

Joe Schilling 30:05 (breathes deeply)

Joe Rogan 30:05 Do you know what?

Joe Schilling 30:06 Standard, I think.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 30:07 You know, we don't have, like, the additional, uh, you saw the random test.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Right.

Joe Schilling 30:11 But I get tested before a- or after every fight.

Joe Rogan 30:14 I've been tested most of my fights. I know that. Yeah. So. And I've had people talk shit like, "Oh, they don't test, like..." Well- "I don't know what you're talking about." They test after fights.

Joe Schilling 30:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:24 But obviously there's a big difference between that and, "Hey, it's four weeks out. Wake up 6:30 in the morning."

Joe Schilling 30:29 Sure. Sure.

Joe Rogan 30:29 "What have you been up to Daniel? Here, piss in this cup. Look at that steroids."

Joe Schilling 30:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:32 Crazy. I mean, they, they have lost a lot of people off the roster in the UFC. The really crazy thing is that the body's changing.

Joe Schilling 30:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Like, people you weren't sure. You know, you know, everybody passed the test when they were doing it on the way in day, but then you're looking at their bodies changed. You're like, "Whoa." "Who is this guy?" Yeah.

Joe Schilling 30:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:48 So many of them just shriveled up, and they just look totally different.

Joe Schilling 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:50 And their performances are different. Their mindset's different.

Joe Schilling 30:53 Like guys that were just unstoppable on the side that came in now.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 30:56 It's like they're on, like, a six fight losing streak.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Crazy.

Joe Schilling 30:59 Drop two weight classes, can't get a win. Right.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Anybody who says the steroids doesn't work are ... They're crazy.

Joe Schilling 31:03 Stupid. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:04 You're out of your fucking mind. They're not taking it for fun. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 31:07 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 31:09 You know, they're not going all the way down to Tijuana and buy- buying this shit because it's, it's fun. Something good to do. Something good to do on the weekend.

Joe Schilling 31:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 So do you feel like you got a new lease on life?

Daniel Straus 31:18 Um, I do, man. Right now I'm just grinding. Like, I'm fully focused on getting back into the cage. Like, you know, having, having what happened to me and being in the position that I'm in, I don't really have too many things to go back to. So, you know, having a new lease on life really isn't how I would say it is. It's just what it is. I'm just focused on, on the next step, you know what I mean, the next step of my career and the next step in, you know, the path and what I've been going through. You know, it's always just something for me. So, you know, I wouldn't say it's a new lease of life, but just a new chapter.

Joe Rogan 31:56 But you must feel very fortunate that you, you can recover from this.

Daniel Straus 31:59 I do. I do. Um-

Joe Rogan 32:01 It's amazing story. I mean, I, I love hearing shit like that.

Daniel Straus 32:03 Thank you. Yeah. It's, uh, it just, it sucks, you know what I mean? It sucks to be in this position, but I'm, I'm, I'm here. I'm talking to you, talking with this guy, you know, walking around. So I'm blessed more than anything, but this has just fired me up to just get shit going, you know what I mean? So-

Joe Schilling 32:21 Yeah, you gotta feel pretty fucking unstoppable after that, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:24 (laughs) Go fly into the air, slam into a guardrail.

Daniel Straus 32:26 It's crazy.

Joe Schilling 32:26 Two time world champion before this shit, and you come back, like, what's gonna stop you now?

Daniel Straus 32:30 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 32:30 It's crazy.

Daniel Straus 32:31 That's the goal. Get another belt, get back, get another belt. Show people I'm not, you know, I'm not done.

Joe Rogan 32:35 You're not done?

Daniel Straus 32:35 Not done at all.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 32:37 You know, so, uh, yeah. I'm even still riding. Like a-

Joe Rogan 32:41 Are you really?

Daniel Straus 32:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:42 You fucking savage.

Daniel Straus 32:43 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Jesus Christ.

Daniel Straus 32:45 Just hit 176 the other day.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Dude, I'd be in a H1, the real one, a real Hummer.

Daniel Straus 32:50 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 32:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:50 I'd be in one of those bitches, and I'd ride in the middle of it.

Daniel Straus 32:53 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:54 I'd figure out a way to ... Put the steering wheel in the middle. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 32:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Daniel Straus 32:58 Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 32:58 I don't wanna be on either side and strap me in with a race harness and put fucking airbags everywhere.

Daniel Straus 33:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:04 I want this thing to be like a, an inflatable bath toy.

Daniel Straus 33:07 Uh, but I'm an a- I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I love to do anything. You know, I shouldn't be riding obviously, but, uh, you know, I need something to steady my mind. So like I said, training, training's been going. Something I got back into. Riding is something I got back into. And it's pushing me to, like, move forward with everything.

Joe Rogan 33:27 When, how long was it before you rode again?

Daniel Straus 33:29 Oh, man. I probably started riding again maybe about a month and a half ago.

Joe Rogan 33:35 What?

Daniel Straus 33:36 About a month ago.

Joe Rogan 33:37 What?

Daniel Straus 33:37 About a month ago.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Oh, a month ago. Okay. Not a month in. So five months after the injury.

Daniel Straus 33:41 Yeah. Probably about a month ago.

Joe Rogan 33:42 If you did it a month after your injury, like, "This dude is fucking crazy. He can barely walk." (laughs)

Joe Schilling 33:47 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 33:47 No, that, that's some shit I would try though. I mean, I would definitely try, but ...

Joe Rogan 33:52 What do you think makes you such an adrenaline junkie?

Daniel Straus 33:54 I don't know. Even right before all my fights, like, it- it's just been that way. Like, I would always ride a lot before my fights because I had to release, you know, all the adrenaline, all the pent up, like-

Joe Rogan 34:06 Anxiety.

Daniel Straus 34:06 ... anxiety going on.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 34:08 And that's just how I've always been, you know. I've always wanted to see what was it like to kill yourself, you know. What was it like to ... Not in that way, but-

Joe Schilling 34:16 What the fuck? (laughs)

Daniel Straus 34:17 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, adrenaline wise, what was it like to do something fun, exciting, and push the limit...

Joe Rogan 34:24 Get on the edge.

Daniel Straus 34:24 You know what I mean?

Joe Schilling 34:25 That's-

Daniel Straus 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 34:25 ... sounds very different than-

Daniel Straus 34:26 I didn't mean it like that.

Joe Rogan 34:28 There's so many fighters that are like that. I mean, Diego Corrales, he died in a motorcycle accident. Right?

Joe Schilling 34:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Paul Williams, you know, he got fucked up. There's, there's so many fighters that have gotten into motorcycles-

Joe Schilling 34:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:38 ... for that very reason.

Daniel Straus 34:39 But it's not just motorcycles. I mean, I've done ... I'm into all type of shit. Like-

Joe Rogan 34:43 Like what else?

Daniel Straus 34:44 ... I love ... I mean, diving. I love diving. Water is one, one of my favorite things. The ocean is one of my favorite things to do. You know, I've never been in any situation where I'm about to die or anything, but you know, I wanna do skydiving. I wanna do, you know, rock climbing. I wanna do all these things that-

Joe Schilling 34:59 I mean-

Joe Rogan 35:00 Joe Schillings on my page.

Joe Schilling 35:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:02 Me and Joe are on the same page.

Joe Schilling 35:03 Hell no.

Joe Rogan 35:03 Fuck all that.

Joe Schilling 35:05 I don't even like roller coasters (laughs) till you drag-

Joe Rogan 35:07 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 35:07 ... till you drag me on it the first time. Then I'm like, "We're going again." Right?

Joe Rogan 35:10 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 35:10 Up until that point, I'm like, "No, fuck that."

Joe Rogan 35:13 Do you ride bikes?

Joe Schilling 35:14 Uh, a little bit, but I don't like it. When I go down to the, down at the ranch with Cowboy, I ride with him, but they, they make fun of me 'cause I'll go like 60.

Joe Rogan 35:20 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 35:21 Once I get hit like 60, then it starts to get ... I'm like, "I don't know. I don't know. This will be cool."

Joe Rogan 35:24 Cowboy is the perfect example.

Joe Schilling 35:26 But Cowboy will be ... For example, Cowboy will be fucking going down the highway 90 with his hat off, like, resizing his hat, you know, with no hands, 90 down the highway. He's a fucking nut.

Joe Rogan 35:36 What?

Joe Schilling 35:36 Yeah. Or snapping pictures of us while he's riding.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Oh, Jesus, I don't wanna hear this.

Joe Schilling 35:41 (laughs) He's into that, for sure.

Joe Rogan 35:43 I love that dude.

Joe Schilling 35:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:44 I don't want him to get hurt. I don't wanna hear that.

Joe Schilling 35:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 Fuck.

Joe Schilling 35:47 Well, he's good at it, I guess.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Oh yeah, I'm sure he is.

Joe Schilling 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Good at fighting too, but-

Joe Schilling 35:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:51 ... it's fucking dangerous. Just like you should dot your Is.

Joe Schilling 35:54 For sure.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Cross your Ts.

Joe Schilling 35:56 For sure.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Going 90 on the highway. Fuck that.Yeah, he's a perfect example of a, a legit adrenaline junkie.

Joe Schilling 36:02 Oh, 100%.

Daniel Straus 36:03 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 36:04 100%, 100%.

Joe Rogan 36:06 I guess, just some people, once... I guess, fighting is a big part of it. Like, once you've experienced the highs of fighting, I guess the l- the lows of regular life are just too fucking boring? Is that what it is?

Joe Schilling 36:17 I imagine that.

Daniel Straus 36:18 That's what it feels like.

Joe Schilling 36:18 I feel like you would get... I would definitely... I mean, I haven't thought about retiring, but when I stop fighting, I think that's what... that'll really bother me.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Right, you'll need something.

Joe Schilling 36:26 It's like, not having that.

Daniel Straus 36:27 Nothing.

Joe Schilling 36:27 Like, 'cause I'm addicted to, like, not the adrenaline side of it, but, like, the challenge. Like, the, "You can't do this." Like, me versus the world.

Daniel Straus 36:34 Right.

Joe Schilling 36:34 Like, that, that really gets me going. And I think if I didn't have that, when I'm old, I'll be pretty pissed off.

Joe Rogan 36:40 You versus the world, like, how so?

Joe Schilling 36:43 Uh, like, I... Or, like, even just me versus... Like, me, man versus man, like, one-on-one.

Daniel Straus 36:47 Right.

Joe Schilling 36:47 Like, uh, no other... Just, you're the only one that you can, that you, uh, can count on in that scenario, I guess.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Hmm.

Joe Schilling 36:53 But, like, that, that personal challenge is what drives me and fuels me. And that's why, like, I think in, uh, my career, the, the fights that I wasn't supposed to win were always the ones that I really showed up for, because that gen-... That-

Daniel Straus 37:05 All right.

Joe Schilling 37:06 That hit me. Whereas, if I was susp- supposed to win, everyone thought I was gonna win, for some, on some level, I would not show up the same way.

Daniel Straus 37:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Very common.

Daniel Straus 37:15 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 37:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:15 That's very common.

Daniel Straus 37:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 A lot of guys, when, when they think it's gonna be an easy fight, they can't get up. They don't-

Joe Schilling 37:20 And-

Joe Rogan 37:20 They just have this weird-

Joe Schilling 37:21 And it's weird, because, like, you don't... You know, your coaches won't let you not train, though, eh? Like, you train hard for the fight, you know?

Daniel Straus 37:27 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 37:27 Just that-

Joe Rogan 37:27 But you're not nervous.

Joe Schilling 37:28 That something about... That thing in your head doesn't click, or it doesn't enough-

Daniel Straus 37:32 You don't go after it the same way.

Joe Schilling 37:33 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 37:34 I mean...

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yeah, it's like, the thing that everybody hates the most about before a fight, that discomfort and anxiety and just, "Fuck, why am I doing this? Fuck." That is what is your friend when you're in there.

Joe Schilling 37:45 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 37:45 Yeah, that situation.

Joe Schilling 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Yeah, it's... The fights where guys-

Joe Schilling 37:48 To an extent.

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 37:48 Or that's what fucking drowns you at the same time, you know?

Joe Rogan 37:50 Could be, right?

Joe Schilling 37:51 That's why people, like, fucking... Their whole camp is perfect, and as soon as they walk out in front of that crowd, it's like, th- their coach is like, "Who the fuck is this guy? What the fuck is going on?"

Daniel Straus 37:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:59 But don't you think that-

Joe Schilling 38:00 'Cause they crumble sometimes.

Joe Rogan 38:00 But that's always that kind of person. Like, a guy like you doesn't have that. There's not... That's not a thing that you experience, you know? I mean, there's... The, the type of people that crumble are usually, like, the guys who are just murderers in the gym and then, for whatever reason, under the bright lights, they falter. But they rarely rise. Like, those guys rarely win the big fights that they're not supposed to win that's not... They're not the same psychological makeup.

Joe Schilling 38:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:26 It's like, like something about the challenge or the unknown, to some people, it, it just overwhelms them, whereas other people, whatever their psychological makeup is, that challenge is what fires them up and gets them excited.

Joe Schilling 38:38 Yeah, yeah.

Daniel Straus 38:40 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:40 It's weird, right?

Joe Schilling 38:41 I think the consistency is the hard part, and longevity for the fighters in general in their career.

Daniel Straus 38:45 Keeping it going. Right.

Joe Schilling 38:46 That's what makes Floyd Mayweather so impressive to me, is for him to be at the top of the game for so long and can make all the money, and continue to be at the top of the game and still do that, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 38:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Schilling 38:58 Versus like, uh, you know, the guys that blow up and then, you know... Jon Jones has trouble. They don't know how to deal with the fame. Fucking Conor throwing shit through bus windows.

Daniel Straus 39:07 Right.

Joe Schilling 39:07 Like, it's hard to stay balanced and consistent through that whole, through that whole thing.

Daniel Straus 39:10 I think, for me, the, my biggest, one of my biggest thing has been, you know, the mental part of fighting. You know, getting to the top, being pushed back down, getting to the top. You know, just dealing with that as a fighter has put a lot of stress on, like, you know, every time that I got into the cage. Like, how I thought or how I acted or how I, you know, perform.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 39:31 So...

Joe Rogan 39:31 You did some work with Vinny Shoreman, right?

Joe Schilling 39:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 39:34 How did that help?

Joe Schilling 39:35 Uh, Vinny helped me a lot for... I worked with Vinny for, I think, three years, two or three years. And I find that, um-

Joe Rogan 39:43 Tell everybody, Vinny Shoreman's a hypnotist who's been on the show a couple times, three times.

Joe Schilling 39:46 I, actually, I was the one that had told you about Vinny.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Schilling 39:48 I brought him up on the show.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Oh, shit. Someone wants credit.

Joe Schilling 39:50 Mm-hmm.

Daniel Straus 39:52 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 39:52 I made you Vinny.

Joe Rogan 39:53 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 39:54 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 39:54 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 He hypnotized me. It was a trip. I was like-

Joe Schilling 39:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:57 ... "Wow, this is real."

Joe Schilling 39:58 It really worked for me, and then, uh, I find that as I've grown, I think, uh, just like any technique, you get better at it. And it has... It needs time to, like, kind of resonate inside of you. And I feel... I mean, I haven't worked with him in over a year, and, uh, I still... I'm figuring out, like, "Oh, that was the fuck he was talking about," or, like, "This is what..." It starts to sink in, so... I think it's been... The mental game is a huge, a huge, uh, asset.

Joe Rogan 40:23 Do you ever work with a sports psychologist or a hypnotist or anything like that?

Daniel Straus 40:26 I haven't. I mean, I've worked a little bit with a guy named Will back in Florida. This was some years ago. But something I've always wanted to dabble in, something I've wanted to explore. I haven't really got the, the chance to do a lot of things, but that's one thing I've always... Like I said, the mental part has been key to me, so I always wanted to do that.

Joe Rogan 40:44 It might be a good thing to help you during your recovery, too.

Daniel Straus 40:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:48 You know? Like, to just really concentrate on recovery and really concentrate on the parts of your body that need to be fixed.

Daniel Straus 40:53 Yeah. I mean, I'm about, uh... You know, I really need to reach out to the right people to get the right, you know, um, the help as far as, like... You know, people to talk to as far as hypnotists and stuff like that. I don't really know anybody like that, so...

Joe Rogan 41:09 Vinny Shoreman to the rescue.

Joe Schilling 41:10 I know a guy.

Joe Rogan 41:10 Send out the bat phone.

Joe Schilling 41:12 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 41:12 Vinny, I'm gonna holler at you.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Yeah. Yeah, he'll... He's probably listening. He'll do it, uh, over Skype, too. You do it over, uh, you know, you do fucking FaceTime.

Joe Schilling 41:19 He used to, uh, he used to hypnotize me over FaceTime all the time. And then-

Daniel Straus 41:24 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 41:24 ... on fight day, he would call me. Like, we'd be backstage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:28 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 41:28 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 41:29 Stunned out, right.

Joe Rogan 41:30 He'll be back in the States in October.

Daniel Straus 41:32 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 41:32 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 41:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 41:33 So I'll look it up. I'll make the connection.

Daniel Straus 41:36 That's something I definitely... I would definitely look into. I would definitely, like...

Joe Schilling 41:39 But you've been using the, uh, lion's mane mushrooms, too, right?

Daniel Straus 41:41 Lions, yeah, lion's mane.

Joe Schilling 41:42 I saw them on-

Joe Rogan 41:42 Mmm, Paul Stamets?

Joe Schilling 41:44 Yeah. I sent him that video and started talking to him about it. When I found out about what happened to him, you know, it was like...... I'm sure not as bad as what he was going through, but, like, we just be like, "Oh, I don't think he's gonna walk again. Oh, uh, you know, Daniel was in a horrible accident." And then every time I talked to him, he would just be, like, real ... Like, "Nah, fuck them. It's gonna happen. Nah, it's fucked them." Mm-hmm. And, uh, I'm like, "All right, you need to take this lion's mane mushroom, you need some of these cordyceps mushrooms." (laughs) "Take all the flavor X CBD that you can get." Hit me up ASAP. (laughs) "I'm gonna send you some other mushrooms. It's good for your brain. You're gonna be cool." And, uh ... And, I mean- "And look at him. Look what I did." Look, it's all Joe. (laughs) It's all Joe. It's all Joe doing.

Joe Rogan 42:19 It is crazy, though, seeing you walking around and hearing that you're sparring and hitting the bag and hitting pads.

Joe Schilling 42:24 I mean, it's nuts.

Daniel Straus 42:24 Yeah, I mean, all these things put together is just what's getting me back, you know? So it's ... Nothing's impossible. I mean, I can prove that. You know, nothing's impossible. And shit, you know, doing the, like you said, eating the lion's mane and the different, uh, CBDs that I've been taking and the ... Just getting my body back to, like, feeling good.

Joe Rogan 42:45 Mm-hmm.

Daniel Straus 42:45 Mentally feeling good, just everything's working, like, in steps, so ...

Joe Rogan 42:50 Little steps at a time.

Daniel Straus 42:51 Basically.

Joe Rogan 42:51 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 42:51 And that means day by day. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:52 So what'd you say, like, 80% now?

Daniel Straus 42:55 I'll give you 75.

Joe Rogan 42:57 75 is good.

Daniel Straus 42:58 You know, 75 is-

Joe Rogan 42:59 So 75 means you can get to 100.

Joe Schilling 43:00 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 43:00 Yeah, you know, like, I'm running, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 43:03 Woo.

Daniel Straus 43:03 Like, that was one of my big goals, was like by ... In six months, I wanna be running.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Nice.

Daniel Straus 43:08 Set a goal, started running, boom, you know?

Joe Rogan 43:10 From a guy who couldn't walk.

Daniel Straus 43:11 Exactly. So ...

Joe Rogan 43:13 That's awesome.

Joe Schilling 43:14 It's nuts.

Daniel Straus 43:14 Yeah, this is, uh, is ... I don't know. It gets me in a p- uh, every time I think about it, the reason why I stopped is 'cause every time I have to talk about it, I get in a mental thought of it and the process of from going laying in the bed, not be able to feel shit, to, you know, dragging your foot after you're walking with a, uh, you know, walker, to being able to pull up your pants now. It's crazy. It is fucking crazy. You know what I mean? And it just ... It keeps me, I don't know, it keeps me, I don't know, humble enough to just, you know, talk about the situation and love it, love life.

Joe Rogan 43:52 It's a beautiful story, man. Uh, I love hearing things like that, people recovering from things 'cause it's just ... It makes you appreciate the fact that you are all healthy.

Joe Schilling 44:00 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Every time anything goes wrong in your life, it's an opportunity to appreciate what it's like when things go right.

Joe Schilling 44:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:07 And if you can get back to where you were, you'll have a, a new perspective.

Joe Schilling 44:10 I do. Always.

Joe Rogan 44:11 For sure.

Joe Schilling 44:11 Always. For sure.

Joe Rogan 44:12 Are you fucking with that lion's mane stuff too?

Joe Schilling 44:15 Yeah, lion's mane.

Joe Rogan 44:15 How often do you take it?

Joe Schilling 44:17 Uh, I was taking it every day. I made a bunch of capsules, uh, with lion's mane and, uh, cordyceps.

Joe Rogan 44:23 You made the capsules yourself?

Joe Schilling 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Lucky you.

Joe Schilling 44:25 You can ... You can buy it on, um, on Amazon.

Joe Rogan 44:27 What, a capsule machine?

Joe Schilling 44:27 A little capsule machine, make 100 capsules.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Ah, it's nice.

Joe Schilling 44:30 Yeah, I got my own little concoction there.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Nice.

Joe Schilling 44:33 Yeah. Connote.

Joe Rogan 44:34 So when you-

Joe Schilling 44:35 Uh, when I saw on your, your show, uh, Paul Stamets was talking about how the, uh ... I think it was CTE that you guys were talking about.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 44:41 How the, the lion's mane helps a ... Find, uh, I don't know if it repairs it or if it just helps, like, the ... It find a way around blockages or, or whatever, with nerves.

Joe Rogan 44:51 It regenerates neural tissue. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 44:52 Neural tissue. And I was like, "Oh, Daniel, like, hit, hit him up with it right away."

Joe Rogan 44:56 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 44:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:57 No, that lion's mane stuff is miraculous (claps hands) . I mean, there's ... It's amazing that more people don't know about it and that more people aren't talking about it. But anybody that's involved in contact sports, any athlete that, you know, is getting hit-

Joe Schilling 45:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:09 ... and m- ... They're getting their cage rattled a lot, they should be taking that stuff all the time.

Joe Schilling 45:12 Claps hands Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 45:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:13 And CBD as well, right?

Joe Schilling 45:15 Yeah, for sure. I mean, I just look at it, like, uh, the business that we're in is really dangerous and, like, if you know that there's something that, you know, uh ... Guys get punchy, right, or guys l- lose their chin or, um, uh, have problems, like performing on, on fight night or whatever. Like, if you can, if you can take CBD to be better for swelling, you can take lion's mane to repair the concussions and shit that we're getting constantly. Like, I just think you're kinda stupid if you're not- Mm-hmm. Yeah. ... actively trying to figure out a solution to all these problems.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Have you ever fucked with kratom?

Joe Schilling 45:47 I never ... Uh, not really. I know people that have. I, I was, uh, I was hanging out with Simon Rex yesterday and he was telling me, like, some awesome stories about people that, uh, were addicted to opiates.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 45:57 They got off of it with kratom. I think it's awesome.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Simon Rex, AKA Dirt Nasty?

Joe Schilling 46:01 Yeah, so good.

Joe Rogan 46:02 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 46:02 So funny, dude. Such an awesome dude.

Joe Rogan 46:04 He's a good dude. I, uh, I took eight krat- eight pills yesterday, which, uh, most of the time I was taking two, and then I took four, and then yesterday I took eight. Now I get it. That stuff makes you high as fuck.

Joe Schilling 46:18 Really?

Joe Rogan 46:18 When you take eight, my, my whole body felt weird. I was, I was, like, pretending to be sober. I was walking around pretending to be sober, but not, like, uh, drunk, not, not like reaction time, like, you know, like I almost knocked something off the counter, I caught it real quick. It's like everything's normal.

Joe Schilling 46:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Like, your body moves good, but, uh, you're like, "Woo." You feel weird. You feel like, "Woo." Like, you're under the effects.

Joe Schilling 46:41 Oh. Like mentally or, like, physically feeling weird?

Joe Rogan 46:42 Mentally, it's, it's very ni-

Joe Schilling 46:44 Like a body buzz?

Joe Rogan 46:44 Like, yeah, it gives you a body buzz, but it's, uh, it's great at alleviating anxiety.

Joe Schilling 46:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Like, it makes you really chill. It's weird. It just, like, puts you in this nice headspace where you're just like, "Ah." Like, everything is calm. And I think the idea is that it fills up these opium receptors.

Daniel Straus 47:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:01 And that's what, uh, what people that have had real problems with opiates, that's why they like it, because even if you're fucked up on it, you're not fucked up, like, "Ehh." Like, um, you're fucked up, like, "Whoo, I feel something. Something crazy is going on." And I, I was taking eight and, uh, my buddy, Chris Bell, he's the guy who directed that, uh, Bigger Stronger Faster documentary.

Daniel Straus 47:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:21 He had a real problem with, uh, opiates. He got a, a pretty serious, uh, hip injury, had to get hip replacement surgery and was in massive pain. And when he ... He has, uh, serious arthritis, like, uh, genetic arthritis. And when he got his hip replaced and got on pain pills, he got hooked bad in the middle of making a documentary ab- about prescription drugs.

Daniel Straus 47:41 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 47:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Which is crazy.

Joe Schilling 47:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:42 In the middle of it, he got hooked himself, just total random, you know, synchronicity. And he takes 10.... he takes ten of those, so he takes two more than I took. And, uh, yesterday, for like four hours-

Joe Schilling 47:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:54 ... I was walking around like this. (yawns)

Joe Schilling 47:56 Fucked. But there's no real, like, side effects in comparison-

Joe Rogan 47:59 No.

Joe Schilling 47:59 ... to the other stuff? Yeah, I had-

Joe Rogan 48:00 No, no real side effects.

Joe Schilling 48:01 After that Last Man Standing tournament, um, with Gloria, I had three fights in one night. My... I had, like, super bad chest... I had this contusion on my chest that's still there years later. The swelling in my-

Joe Rogan 48:12 It's still there?

Joe Schilling 48:12 Yeah, swelling in my sternum. And, uh, it would pinch off nerves running down my shoulder, and then I think it actually pinched off the nerve root, which is when I started doing the, um, the decompression, uh, with the chiropractor. And so my left side started, like, getting... Like, it was noticeably getting smaller, like it was... The muscle atrophies. Because what you don't know is the... Well, I didn't know. You might know it, Joe. You know everything. Is that the nerve root actually feeds the- the muscle and allows it to grow.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 48:40 Once that's fucked up, then your muscle won't-

Joe Rogan 48:42 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 48:42 ... grow anymore. It's when you atrophy and shit.

Joe Rogan 48:44 It's very difficult to get them to grow back too-

Joe Schilling 48:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:46 ... if you don't catch it quickly.

Joe Schilling 48:47 Right. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:49 Did you have a problem getting it to grow back or did you catch it quick enough?

Joe Schilling 48:51 Um, well, I think when we started doing the decompression and all that stuff, it worked. Um, I mean, it grew back, I think. Um, but the- the pain that I was feeling from all the shit I kept... I kept getting Vicodin prescriptions, Vicodin, Norco, Vicodin, Norco.

Joe Rogan 49:05 (sighs)

Joe Schilling 49:05 And, uh, you're literally in pain, so I would take the- the medicine. But, um, after like two months, like, I looked at my kitchen counter and there was just empty pill bottles, like everywhere. And I noticed that I was, like, really fucking aggressive and, like, short and, like... And I just stopped right away when I- when I realized that. But I could-

Joe Rogan 49:23 Good for you.

Joe Schilling 49:23 ... totally see how that would be... that could become an addictive thing, for sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:27 I was there for that last-

Joe Schilling 49:28 Because you-

Joe Rogan 49:28 ... man and-

Joe Schilling 49:28 ... you really need it, you know? It wasn't like I was, like, trying to get-

Joe Rogan 49:31 Right.

Joe Schilling 49:31 ... fucked up with like, "Oh, I'm in pain," and take a pill. And then, uh...

Joe Rogan 49:35 Did you go to a doctor and get it looked at?

Joe Schilling 49:37 Yeah, I went to-

Joe Rogan 49:38 What did they say about your sternum?

Joe Schilling 49:39 Uh, they said that there was nothing wrong with it. We went to the hospital twice. I woke up, uh... I mean, I woke up, like, screaming and shaking from the pain and went to the doctor, the hospital, and they did an X-ray and said there's nothing wrong with it. And I'm like, "Look at the swelling." It looked like a tennis ball. And they said that it was, like, inner cartilage or between the ribs or where the... It had gotten some sort of contusion. You know when somebody gets, like, hit in the elbow and their head swells up?

Joe Rogan 50:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 50:02 That mine was doing that under the rib or under the sternum plates or some shit. Wow.

Joe Rogan 50:07 So there's nothing they could do about it?

Joe Schilling 50:08 So it was causing the pressure. I just started taking Advil like it was going out of style, and then that would make the swelling go down, and then I wasn't in pain anymore. And the problem that I was having with the Vicodin was it's not an antiinflammatory, so it did nothing for the- for the actual cause of the pain. And I was just eating fucking Vicodin like crazy. (sighs)

Joe Rogan 50:27 Mm.

Joe Schilling 50:27 So, um, and then, uh, yeah. But now I- I pretty much eat... I take Advil every day regardless for... My knees hurting or my toes are hurting or, like, just years of...

Joe Rogan 50:39 You're not supposed to fuck with that stuff every day.

Joe Schilling 50:40 Yeah. Yeah, well...

Joe Rogan 50:41 It's not good.

Joe Schilling 50:42 You're never supposed to fuck up. Yeah, you gotta do the- the On It gut health, right?

Joe Rogan 50:45 Well, it's just... That'll help. I mean, and, uh, kimchi helps too, probiotics, kombucha.

Joe Schilling 50:50 Right, I do all that.

Joe Rogan 50:51 But it just... It ruins your gut health and it causes inflammation. This is what... You know my friend, Cameron Hanes, who runs-

Joe Schilling 50:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 50:56 ... ultra-marathons?

Joe Schilling 50:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:58 He was taking 800 milligrams a day, sometimes twice a day.

Joe Schilling 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:01 And, uh... 'Cause he was in pain all the time because he runs fucking... Dude runs a marathon every day. On Saturday, ne- this Saturday coming up, he's running for 24 hours and his goal is 120 miles in 24 hours. I mean, he's a fucking maniac. So this dude's always in pain. And, uh, I had Dr. Rhonda Patrick on and she was explaining about how nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories like, um, ibuprofen actually cause inflammation because they fuck up your gut bacteria.

Joe Schilling 51:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:26 And they fuck up your body's ability to process inflammation, and it causes pain. So he listened... And the co- there's- there's connections to stroke and all sorts of other problems. So he gets off of it and all his pain went away. His pain was caused in part by the fact that he was taking this stuff for his pain, which is a terrible, ridiculous, vicious cycle.

Joe Schilling 51:44 Yeah. For how long straight, did you say? What's that? For how long straight was he taking it?

Joe Rogan 51:48 He was taking it for years.

Joe Schilling 51:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:50 For years.

Joe Schilling 51:51 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Yeah. He was... 'Cause he's been a runner forever.

Joe Schilling 51:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:53 He's been doing marathons and ultra... He ran 238 miles last year.

Joe Schilling 51:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 The, you know, the Moab 230, which is just-

Joe Schilling 52:00 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Yeah, Moab 24-

Joe Schilling 52:02 It's just... How is that even possible?

Joe Rogan 52:03 Takes three days.

Joe Schilling 52:04 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 52:04 Three fucking days.

Joe Schilling 52:05 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 52:06 What's really crazy is-

Joe Schilling 52:06 How sore are you after the first day? You woke up the next day, like, "Oh, yeah-" Yeah, I wouldn't use it again. "... another 24 hours of running." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:12 (laughs) So there's a type of mindset that you have to have to be able to do something like that that's just superhuman.

Joe Schilling 52:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:17 You- you have to be able to just... Every step, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot, agony and pain, all your toenails are falling off. Everything's in-

Joe Schilling 52:25 Yeah, I've seen him post pictures of no toes and-

Joe Rogan 52:28 Ugh, nasty fucking feet.

Joe Schilling 52:29 ... fucking feet all fucked up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:30 Yeah. What's crazy is a woman beat everybody by more than 10 hours. A woman who I had her on. Her name is Courtney Dauwalter. She beat everybody by 22 miles. She was 22 miles ahead of the second place dude.

Joe Schilling 52:45 (laughs) That's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 52:46 She's a fucking animal.

Joe Schilling 52:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:47 She slept for one minute in three days.

Joe Schilling 52:50 Some-

Joe Rogan 52:50 One minute.

Joe Schilling 52:50 It sounds like some, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:51 She slept for a minute.

Joe Schilling 52:51 ... Lance Armstrong's lim-

Joe Rogan 52:53 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 52:53 Lance Armstrong's chick.

Joe Rogan 52:55 You think so? (laughs)

Joe Schilling 52:55 Yeah. 22 miles? Come on.

Joe Rogan 52:57 I don't think steroids help in that world.

Joe Schilling 52:59 Yeah, I don't either.

Joe Rogan 52:59 I think in that world, those people are just... It's just mental. I really- I really don't think it helps.

Joe Schilling 53:04 Yeah. That's crazy. And they- they don't get paid?

Joe Rogan 53:06 I don't know.

Joe Schilling 53:06 They do that? They do that for-

Joe Rogan 53:07 They do it for-

Joe Schilling 53:07 For fun.

Joe Rogan 53:07 ... a little bit. They get sponsors and shit.

Joe Schilling 53:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Cam doesn't get paid. I mean, he has sponsors. Under Armor sponsors him.

Joe Schilling 53:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:13 It's... You know, but not really.

Joe Schilling 53:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:15 It's just because they're-

Joe Schilling 53:16 I couldn't do any-

Joe Rogan 53:16 ... animals. I know you can't. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 53:17 (laughs) Every step, I'd be like, ching, ching, ching. Like, thinking about, "What am I doing this for?"

Joe Rogan 53:22 Well, it's also, you're used to psychotic interactions with other people in short amount of time. Like, you're used to, like, a 20-minute experience-

Joe Schilling 53:30 That's a great description.

Joe Rogan 53:30 ... chaos.

Joe Schilling 53:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:31 I mean, dude, I- that Last Man Standing was one of my favorite events I've ever been to. I fucking loved it. I don't want you to ever do it again 'cause I love you. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 53:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:39 I don't want you fighting fucking four times in a night. It's just-

Joe Schilling 53:42 Oh, man. I kinda wanna do it again though. It's, it's, uh...

Joe Rogan 53:44 It's so crazy.

Joe Schilling 53:46 There's something about doing that that, uh... You know you're doing something, like, special and- and, uh, you know, epic. Like, that was... That was my main... The Last Man Standing tournament, that was, like, my main focus. After the- after I knocked out Simon Markus...... and then, ah, I guess, after I beat... After the first two fights, going into the third one, like I'm pretty sure I wasn't gonna beat Artem. I was too beat up, but I was, like, just had this crazy buzz about knowing that I was doing something, like, special. Like, this was really fucking cool.

Joe Rogan 54:16 But I think that's how those-

Joe Schilling 54:17 Which I liked doing that. I would love to do it again. ... makes sense.

Joe Rogan 54:18 I think that's how those people feel when they're running those crazy ultra-marathons.

Joe Schilling 54:21 Right. Makes sense.

Joe Rogan 54:21 They know they're about to do something insane. I mean, a regular fight is insane. Two regular fights in a night is insane. Three regular fights in a night against world-class kickboxers? And then the first fight, you had to go four rounds, because after three rounds, it was a draw. What in the fuck, man?

Daniel Straus 54:40 That's good, man. That's good night of fighting.

Joe Schilling 54:40 I had to do that shit right now if you ... (laughs)

Daniel Straus 54:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Would you?

Joe Schilling 54:43 Look, fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:43 You look like you get excited.

Joe Schilling 54:44 I get excited hearing you talk about it, bro.

Joe Rogan 54:46 (laughs)

Daniel Straus 54:47 You make it sound good. I like tournaments, though.

Joe Schilling 54:50 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 54:50 I've always loved tournaments. I've always wanted to be in, like, a day tournament like that. Uh, that shit would be dope.

Joe Schilling 54:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Now, you're making your move back to MMA because kickboxing is just not what it should be. I think we both feel that.

Joe Schilling 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Kickboxing is one of my favorite things to watch. I'm a giant fan of it. And for whatever reason, it is just not caught on in America the same way boxing has or the same way MMA has.

Joe Schilling 55:19 No. And I've spent my whole, my whole... I've been doing this since I was 15, and I'm 34. So, all of that time, I've been thinking about this same question, and then I'm just, you know... Um, it is what it is.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 55:32 And it's like you can't hold onto it anymore. I mean, it's not for me. The sport is gonna grow, is gonna keep, keep doing good, and I hope that, uh, that continues. But for me, I need to, uh, to keep, keep progressing, so to speak.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Yeah. That is, uh... It is what it is. I mean, that's the best way to put it.

Joe Schilling 55:49 It is what it is.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Because there's no way we're gonna fix it.

Joe Schilling 55:52 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 55:53 But I don't understand. You know? I mean, I really, really don't understand. I fucking love watching kickboxing. And when people tell me about how they love boxing, I'm like, "That's great. Boxing's great." I love boxing too.

Joe Schilling 56:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Kickboxing's way better than boxing.

Joe Schilling 56:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:06 That, that, that extra level of, you know, throwing in kicks and knees, and, and especially if you go to Muay Thai, elbows and clinch. It's just, it's a wilder, crazier striking sport.

Joe Schilling 56:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:18 And I just don't understand it. I mean, when I watch you fight or Kevin fight or, uh, you know, Kevin Ross or Georgie Petrosian, John Wayne Parr, like how the fuck would you not want to watch that?

Joe Schilling 56:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:31 I mean, it's so exciting.

Joe Schilling 56:33 And then continuously, like, the, they just don't. They just don't tune in. It's, it doesn't, it's like, what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 56:38 I don't know. Look, I don't know what it is. I just don't understand. Is, does Bellator have real problems with their ratings when they air it?

Joe Schilling 56:44 Um, I don't, I don't know exactly what their, their ratings are. I know that they're, uh, they're average. They're not super fantastic on any scale or ...

Joe Rogan 56:53 So it's below what the average is for their MMA fights?

Joe Schilling 56:56 Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Man, that's a bummer.

Joe Schilling 56:59 For sure.

Joe Rogan 56:59 It's a real fucking bummer.

Joe Schilling 57:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Because for, for anybody who's a fan, anybody who likes watching it, like, shit. Like that event in LA, that Last Man Standing, holy fuck was that fun.

Joe Schilling 57:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:11 That was crazy.

Joe Schilling 57:12 Yeah, that was, that was probably one of the best kickboxing events. I mean, that was the best kickboxing event I've ever been to.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Yeah, me too.

Joe Schilling 57:17 The whole energy and the forum just in general, that layout of that was, was badass.

Joe Rogan 57:21 That, yeah, that forum is perfect for that.

Joe Schilling 57:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 I mean, and everybody knew it was a special night. Like, there was, that it was crazy.

Joe Schilling 57:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:27 You know, they were doing this. You know, what is it like knowing that-... Like, how much time do you have in between your second and third fight and everything is fucked up and sore and you know you're about to go into another fight?

Joe Schilling 57:41 Um, I think it's probably, like, 30 minutes, 30, 40 minutes. Like, maybe one more, one other fight between you.

Joe Rogan 57:48 So just enough time for everything to start hurting.

Joe Schilling 57:50 Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. I, I guess I was, it was because of the money. Like, I knew that each time I fought I was gonna get more money and that was, that was like my focus in the 30 minutes. Like, not wanting to go back out never crossed my mind, you know? Versus if I think if I wasn't getting paid for it, I'd be like, "Ah, it's cool."

Joe Rogan 58:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 58:10 Like, "Ah, that was fine." You know what I mean? So, that's why I was asking about those ultra-marathons, how they-

Joe Rogan 58:16 Right.

Joe Schilling 58:16 ... if they get paid for it or not. 'Cause I don't think... That would be my main focus.

Joe Rogan 58:19 You say that, but I think that if you were there, just your competitive spirit would kick in and you would go, "Let me see what I could fucking do here."

Joe Schilling 58:28 Yeah, "Give me another minute here. And another cigarette."

Daniel Straus 58:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Yeah. You're right.

Joe Schilling 58:31 "Yeah, let's go smoke one more cigarette."

Joe Rogan 58:32 Mile 79 and you're like, "Shit, all I have to do is-"

Joe Schilling 58:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:37 "... 21 more miles? I could do that." (laughs)

Daniel Straus 58:41 Not me. I'd be like, "Man, fuck this shit."

Joe Rogan 58:43 Do you think you'd like to fight in a tournament, like old school UFC 1 style?

Daniel Straus 58:47 I would.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah?

Daniel Straus 58:47 Always wanted to. Always wanted to.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah?

Daniel Straus 58:49 Uh, you know, being part of Bellator's tournament, it was dope. Being a part of, like, a, you know, monthly tournament-

Joe Rogan 58:55 Right.

Daniel Straus 58:55 ... I've always wanted to be, like ...

Joe Rogan 58:57 In a night.

Daniel Straus 58:57 Eh, yeah. It was, was good with, again, you know, fighting some of the best fighters in the world three times a night. Yeah, that's really what's gonna test you to me.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Yeah.

Daniel Straus 59:07 So the, yeah. I would like to fight-

Joe Rogan 59:08 There's so many factors involved, so many variables, right?

Daniel Straus 59:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Like your opponent could get a quick first round knockout.

Daniel Straus 59:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:14 And you could go a three-round war.

Daniel Straus 59:16 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 59:16 You know? And then you face each other in the next round. It's just... I get the commission's not wanting to do it anymore. I get it. The only place that would let you do it is probably, like, one of them Native American casinos.

Daniel Straus 59:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 That's like, "Come on in-"

Joe Schilling 59:28 Only for MMA fights?

Joe Rogan 59:28 "... Bob Lashley, come on in."

Daniel Straus 59:30 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 59:30 I think the commission, is the commission a problem? I think they would do it in California.

Joe Rogan 59:34 You think so?

Joe Schilling 59:34 I think so. They did with Glory when I did it.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Yeah, but that's kickboxing. I don't know if they would do that with MMA.

Daniel Straus 59:39 No.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Even kickboxing is wildly, uh, widely criticized though. A lot of people think that was a bad idea.

Joe Schilling 59:44 Right. Well, I think the way they can do it with kickboxing is because of, of boxing. The boxing, uh, rule set is, like, you have up to 12 rounds or whatever. So for kickboxing, that's three fights.

Joe Rogan 59:54 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 59:55 Because of the rounds.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Right.

Joe Schilling 59:55 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 That makes sense with kickboxing. That makes sense.

Joe Schilling 1:00:00 Because I think, I think they probably would have a hard time saying, like-... oh, Daniel can fight 10 rounds of MMA tonight, legally.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 1:00:06 That's probably not a-

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:00:07 That's probably not a thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 What's the most rounds of kickboxing you ever fought in a night? Other than that- that tournament, like one single fight?

Joe Schilling 1:00:14 Oh, five, five rounds.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Five.

Joe Schilling 1:00:15 When I was fighting Muay Thai, it was always five rounds.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 That's pretty, always l- always like that, right?

Joe Schilling 1:00:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Why is that?

Joe Schilling 1:00:20 Um, I think the- um, the- the rule set in Thailand is, uh, based primarily around gambling. It's like c- human cockfighting is what Muay Thai is in- in Thailand, essentially. It sounds negative, but it's kinda that way. Everybody in the audience is- is gambling, they're betting and, you know, yelling and, uh, motioning back and forth between the betting. So like in Thailand, it's a three-minute round, but it's a two-minute rest, which I think is awesome. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Hmm, uh, it is awesome.

Joe Schilling 1:00:45 But if you-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 You ever fight over there?

Joe Schilling 1:00:47 Yeah, I fought, uh, for the WBC world title over there, and-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 Wow.

Joe Schilling 1:00:50 ... I think-

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 What year was this?

Joe Schilling 1:00:52 ... Puh... wah... I don't know. Jamie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 1:00:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 They play the music?

Joe Schilling 1:00:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Man.

Joe Schilling 1:00:58 Yeah, for sure. And I fought at, uh, Rajadamnern Stadium in Thailand, which is like one of the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Wow.

Joe Schilling 1:01:03 Rajadamnern and, uh, Lumpinee-

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Damn.

Joe Schilling 1:01:05 ... are the two- the two big ones. So I fought over there. Um, uh, the two-minute rest is cool, except that you kinda run out of, like, things to talk about. Like, after-

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 1:01:15 ... a minute, like, my coach and I were just like, "So, uh, all right." And I'm, like, looking at ring girls, like, "What? I, uh-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Did you fight a Thai guy?

Joe Schilling 1:01:22 Uh, no. On both times, no. The first time, I fought a guy from Argentina at Rajadamnern Stadium, and then the second time I fought, uh, Kaopet Kaopetian from Golden Glory Gym-

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:01:33 ... for the WBC world title.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Now, when you, um, fight over there in Thailand, do they still expect Westerners to take it easy on that first round? Because the idea is, during the first round, most Thais, they go fairly light because they're w- ready for the betting to get established.

Joe Schilling 1:01:49 Yeah. They don't wanna, you want 'em, you... I think, you don't wanna come out too strong 'cause then nobody will bet on you or against the other person.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Hmm.

Joe Schilling 1:01:57 Um, I don't think they expect that from the foreigners, though. I think just (laughs) as a whole, they think that the foreigners suck and, like, they think, like, foreigners won't block leg kicks, so a lot of the times you'll see, like, the Thais come out and just wreck the fucking foreigner in the first round if they can. So, yeah, I don't think they- they're expecting the foreigners to, uh, participate in this, so-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 I would- I would love to go back in time and watch Ramon Dekkers-

Joe Schilling 1:02:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 ... when he first got there.

Joe Schilling 1:02:22 Right. And that was, like, the golden era of Muay Thai, in like the '90s when- when they didn't have the, uh, you know. Like right now, it's the first round, they don't really fight, the second and third round, they fight. In the fourth round, they- they may or may not fight depending on who-

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Who won?

Joe Schilling 1:02:38 ... they already know who's- who won the first two.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 They take it off because they-

Joe Schilling 1:02:42 And then the fifth round, they do nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Really?

Joe Schilling 1:02:43 Yeah. I mean, not nothing, but almost nothing. They're not really trying to win. They're more like, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Because they know they're gonna fight in a week.

Joe Schilling 1:02:47 Right. And then, like, in the golden era, it was like, when like, those guys would come out and just... It was the prime time-

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 1:02:55 ... and everybody would fight every round, and, uh, it was- supposedly it was better.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Those Ramon Dekkers fights. Anybody who doesn't know anything about Muay Thai, go on YouTube right now and watch Ramon Dekkers-

Joe Schilling 1:03:07 Ramon Dekkers.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 ... and watch chaos.

Joe Schilling 1:03:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 That dude, he fought guys who was his size, too. That was w- it was interesting about him, is like he was a small guy. It wasn't like a big guy who was g- going over there to fight the Thais.

Joe Schilling 1:03:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 He was their size.

Joe Schilling 1:03:21 Yeah, and he fought, like, the top, top, top guys in like their- in like their prime, which is pretty rare. Now you see, like, Saenchai's super famous, but like Sam Chai is- is- is like the celebrity guy who's fighting like the older, heavier Thais. Like, the- the top Thais right now in Thailand are like 120 pounds, a hundred- 115 pounds.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 1:03:42 And they're like 16 years old. Those are like the top guys.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Right.

Joe Schilling 1:03:46 You know? Then you build a name where you're a big enough name that the foreigners know about you and the rest of the world, and market you, and then you fight, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 They're- they're- they're-

Joe Schilling 1:03:54 ... you go to America and you fight an American, you go to wherever, you know? So he's like, uh, uh, Saenchai, Buakaw, those guys.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 He's fighting constantly, and he seems to be fighting on the road a lot. He'll go to these weird places and fight some dude who looks like he's in real trouble almost immediately.

Joe Schilling 1:04:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 You know? (laughs)

Joe Schilling 1:04:11 Yeah. Well, they're like, "Oh, we're gonna bring Saenchai over for this fight." And they go, "He's gotta fight somebody." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Right.

Joe Schilling 1:04:17 It's hard to... And then a lot of times, the Thais don't fight each other. Like you- it's very rare that you'll see, outside of like a Thai stadium, um, you know, you never- you hardly, you're not gonna see Yotsa Clae fight Buakaw, or like a Thai versus Thai. They want the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Right.

Joe Schilling 1:04:31 ... the Thais to kill the foreigners and then still all be on the same team, I think.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Well, Saenchai's got such an interesting style too, because you- if you looked at him, if you only saw like a silhouette and you saw him move around, you'd go immediately, "Oh, that's Saenchai."

Joe Schilling 1:04:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 You could tell, like instantly.

Joe Schilling 1:04:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 He's just constantly moving, shuffling his feet, switching back and forth, real light on his feet.

Joe Schilling 1:04:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 He just moves different than anybody else.

Joe Schilling 1:04:53 Mm-hmm. He does like the old Muay Boran stuff. Muay Boran was like