JRE MMA Show #34 with Josh Barnett

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom, ladies and gentlemen.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Boom, ladies and gentlemen. Josh Barnett, youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion. And now re- uh, retired? Sort of, semi?

   2. JBJosh Barnett0:13

      Uh, no.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      No?

   4. JBJosh Barnett0:14

      Not retired.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      No.

   6. JBJosh Barnett0:14

      Just, um, I'm, uh, free in the wind. I'm like a bald eagle. I'm just-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Ah.

   8. JBJosh Barnett0:18

      ... out there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Soring.

   10. JBJosh Barnett0:19

       Just riding on that freedom.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Ah. That's America.

   12. JBJosh Barnett0:22

       Just, uh, just, uh, I decided to leave the fold of the UFC-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JBJosh Barnett0:27

       ... and, uh, chase my, my own futures, uh, by my own hands.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Are you actively competing or going to be actively competing?

   16. JBJosh Barnett0:36

       Um, there'll be some grappling stuff this year, but, uh, I'm figuring by the start of next year, I'll get back into the MMA circuits. Uh, mainly because it's just gonna take some time to set up camps, managers, the structure of everything.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Right.

   18. JBJosh Barnett0:50

       Where I have, uh, proper sparring partners and all that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       And-

   20. JBJosh Barnett0:53

       So-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... in the meantime, we were talking about you're doing commentary for New Japan Pro-Wrestling with Jim Ross.

   22. JBJosh Barnett0:57

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       And you do it on AXS TV, right?

   24. JBJosh Barnett0:59

       That's right, every Friday night at 8:00, uh, you can see me sit down and, and run my mouth about wrassling.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah.

   26. JBJosh Barnett1:06

       But, uh, we just did, uh, the live show up at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Which they've been having sporadic, uh, wrestling events there, but it was, it was a big draw in that building in, like, the '60s and '70s I guess. So, it's, uh, a bit of a historical, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       It feels like wrestling, pro-wrestling's making a renaissance. It's, like, making a return.

   28. JBJosh Barnett1:27

       Yeah. Uh, I think that, um, there's a certain audience of, uh, of a certain age gap that, or age group, that has come into flourishing and, and, and into the internet and other ways to which to go ahead and, and, and bring wrestling back up there. And show that wrestling, whether it's the biggest company like the WWE, all the way to, say, you know, number two would be New Japan, and then there's all these independent companies all over the place that, uh, some of them have, you know, quite a decent following as well.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       You know, uh, Billy Corgan from The Smashing Pumpkins?

   30. JBJosh Barnett1:59

       Huge wrestling fan.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. Radically amplified. I…

   1. JBJosh Barnett15:00

      what you do get seen as much as you see what everybody else does. And then you're given an option on how do you react to that. Well, if you're not ... I mean, these are the sort of ... You can go back into old books on philosophy and, uh, you know, old historical texts. Insecurity is not going anywhere. We're not any- all that much more different from 1,000 years or 2,000 years or 3,000 years in the way we react and respond to things than we are now. It's just that all these things are amplified under the, the elements of technology that are around us and how they can affect us and how much easier it is for th- for those things to get to us.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:39

      Yeah. Radically amplified. I mean, I see people fighting with people on, uh, Instagram.

   3. JBJosh Barnett15:44

      (sniffs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      You know, see people fighting with-

   5. JBJosh Barnett15:46

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      ... uh, commenters.

   7. JBJosh Barnett15:47

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      You know, if someone posts something and then other people shit on them, and then they, they take their posts and comment on that. And, and you gotta go ... This is, like, hours of your day, man. And people are just sniping at you for the clothes you're wearing or-

   9. JBJosh Barnett16:00

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       ... your fake lips or whatever it is.

   11. JBJosh Barnett16:02

       It's something, right? And you, you-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Yeah.

   13. JBJosh Barnett16:03

       ... you could say, well, you know, you've got the person who's got a, um, who's turned their, their social media into a very self-absorbed sort of, uh, platform, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       That's a lot.

   15. JBJosh Barnett16:13

       And that's a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       A lot of it.

   17. JBJosh Barnett16:13

       ... that's a lot. And then even ... And then a- amongst that, it's like, well, I mean, to a degree, if it's your social media and, and you are the prime element within it, w- uh, you know, of course it would be a bit self-absorbed, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       Yeah.

   19. JBJosh Barnett16:26

       But I think there's more nuance to it than that. And it's not just to pick on, say, you know, the gals-

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       (laughs)

   21. JBJosh Barnett16:31

       ... that are taking all the sexy selfies and all that kinda stuff. There's the, the dudes that do essentially the same equivalent. And it's all in a, in a ... You know, often, it could be in a response to drive attention towards themselves, but what do you ... why do you want that attention in the first place? And, and of course that's something you can't know until you know the person exactly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       Well, a lot of girls make a living off of it.

   23. JBJosh Barnett16:50

       Y- 100%. Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Yeah, there's a lot of girls that they do, like, sponsored tweets or sponsored-

   25. JBJosh Barnett16:56

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       ... Instagram posts.

   27. JBJosh Barnett16:57

       Yep. Once they can get enough of them, people follow.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       I don't know how many dudes are making a living off of Instagram that way for s- like, that got famous. Like, for girls, it's, like, girls with big asses and ...

   29. JBJosh Barnett17:05

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       There's one girl that I, I just started following.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   I think Rockstar has…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      out which one ha- ... I, I think Rockstar-

   2. JBJosh Barnett30:01

      I think Rockstar has more caffeine.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      ... has more caffeine than a Monster.

   4. JBJosh Barnett30:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Monster is doable. Like, I've, I've drank ... Uh, I'll drink a sugar-free Monster during UFC broadcasts sometimes.

   6. JBJosh Barnett30:09

      Mm-hmm. I drink those during the, uh, the new Japan shows. They're four hours.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Yeah.

   8. JBJosh Barnett30:12

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      But the problem is, you gotta piss.

   10. JBJosh Barnett30:14

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       It's ... Whatever's in there goes right through your system.

   12. JBJosh Barnett30:17

       You gotta come right out.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Right? S-

   14. JBJosh Barnett30:17

       And that, that caffeine ain't helping.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Goldberg used to drink those fucking things like they were water and he was always peeing. Both Monster and Rockstar have the same amount of caffeine per serving, which is eight- ... 80 milligrams per eight ounces. Yeah. But what ... 80's not that much.

   16. JBJosh Barnett30:31

       I- ... If you look at, uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Wow. That's crazy. That's low.

   18. JBJosh Barnett30:34

       ... Monster list as being 240-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JBJosh Barnett30:36

       ... at ... Or, or something around there-

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       For the whole-

   22. JBJosh Barnett30:38

       ... at the whole can.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Yeah.

   24. JBJosh Barnett30:39

       And Monster list as being 130.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Dude, this is 270.

   26. JBJosh Barnett30:43

       W- whoa.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       G- ... Yeah. These little bad boys are 270.

   28. JBJosh Barnett30:45

       Goddammit, Tate. You're trying to get-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Yeah, it's ... (laughs)

   30. JBJosh Barnett30:47

       You're trying to make me jump out of this chair?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JBJosh Barnett45:00

      to have animals that are able to live a more natural-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Yeah.

   3. JBJosh Barnett45:03

      ... way of life than it is to- to jam them into a cage and force feed them until it's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      I don't know if it's possible to do it the way we've been doing it, though.

   5. JBJosh Barnett45:10

      Well, we-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      The- the real problem is the way we expect to be able to just go to Jack in the Box and get a burger.

   7. JBJosh Barnett45:15

      Well, we eat too much meat.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Yeah.

   9. JBJosh Barnett45:17

      Uh, uh, in general, I think that your average person doesn't need to eat nearly as much fucking varieties of meat as they do. They need to... They definitely need meat in their diet, I believe, uh, uh, on average.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Do you know... You know about the carnivore diet?

   11. JBJosh Barnett45:31

       Now, see, here's the thing. I've been, uh... I- I heard you talking to-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       Jordan Peterson.

   13. JBJosh Barnett45:36

       You've talked a lot about it, and then Jordan Peterson and his- his daughter, uh, as well.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Well, I talked about it with, uh, Chris Bell first-

   15. JBJosh Barnett45:42

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       ... who's been on it for... (sniffs) I think he's been on it for at least six months or so, and he's having radical improvements. And one of the reasons that he's having improvements and then Jordan's having, um, uh, tremendous results, and, uh, Jordan's daughter as well, is arthritis.

   17. JBJosh Barnett45:59

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       They all have arthritis.

   19. JBJosh Barnett46:01

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Like, Chris Bell has two-

   21. JBJosh Barnett46:03

       Smelly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       ... artificial hips.

   23. JBJosh Barnett46:04

       Oh, I don't doubt it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Yeah.

   25. JBJosh Barnett46:05

       He tried to be that-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       Mark is smelly.

   27. JBJosh Barnett46:07

       Oh, Mark is smelly. Chris is, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Mark's the big one. Chris is Boer. Chris "Boer" Bell.

   29. JBJosh Barnett46:11

       Boer. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Yeah, um, and Chris is the one who, uh, produced Bigger Stronger Faster and Prescription Stubs.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:33

   Yeah. …

   1. JBJosh Barnett1:00:00

      suppression of individuals and groups. And, uh, uh, retrain ... Now there is thought policing and, and, you know, even though they call them equity, diversity, whatever, departments, I mean, there are people that are there to, you know ... They have these cabals that, that try to force everybody to be in line. But it's, you know, they're not necessarily gassing folks or beating on them or what have you or shock therapy. However, Huxley's version of how this would all go badly was that everybody would be so comfortable, that there would be so much luxury and pleasure and that you would just not fight back.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      Yeah.

   3. JBJosh Barnett1:00:42

      Yeah, anything that they would, uh, try to i- impart upon you, the, the way they would get you to do it is just make your life even softer and even easier.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

      Yeah, Huxley was right in that regard. And also all ... There's so little danger in the world-

   5. JBJosh Barnett1:00:56

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

      ... and so little real drama that we look for drama.

   7. JBJosh Barnett1:00:59

      Of course.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

      We look for it all over the place.

   9. JBJosh Barnett1:01:01

      We've, we've made the world-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       I mean, that's absolutely what's going on.

   11. JBJosh Barnett1:01:03

       ... most of the world very, very safe, especially for, at least for us in Western, the first world nations.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       There's something that Dave Rubin tweeted today. See if you could find this. Um, it's the real reason that the mayor of Durham-

   13. JBJosh Barnett1:01:15

       What is it, something about Star Wars? (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       I don't think so.

   15. JBJosh Barnett1:01:16

       No? Is that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       The major of Durham, uh, app- apparently, uh, said something about Jordan Peterson, that Jordan Peterson is not welcome in Durham, North Carolina.... because of his transphobic and racist views.

   17. JBJosh Barnett1:01:31

       What?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       Yeah, what does he... Let's see. K- I can't read that, man. Can you make that a little larger?

   19. JBJosh Barnett1:01:35

       What a fucking misrepresented person Jordan Peterson has become.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       (sighs) Well-

   21. JBJosh Barnett1:01:40

       Just, just b-... It's gotta be blatant.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       It's very strange. "We believe that Durham is a place for all of us, Black, white, Asian, Latinx..." Oh, I like how he went Latinx-

   23. JBJosh Barnett1:01:48

       Mm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       ... instead of Latino because-

   25. JBJosh Barnett1:01:50

       Mm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       ... if you say Latinx, it's like Latina, Latino. You get it? See?

   27. JBJosh Barnett1:01:53

       Like, all the, all the Latinos. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       I'm, I'm not taking any chances. "Indigenous and mixed race, trans and cis..." Cis isn't a real word. You're getting crazy, Mayor. "Gay and lesbian, queer and straight." See, this is the thing. What is queer?

   29. JBJosh Barnett1:02:05

       Queer doesn't cover all of it anymore. It, it, it's not-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       What is queer?

Episode duration: 2:39:05