JRE MMA Show #34 with Josh Barnett

Joe sits down with heavyweight fighter Josh Barnett.

Joe RoganhostJosh Barnettguest

Jul 9, 20182h 39mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:07 – 0:53
Barnett’s post-UFC plans: grappling now, MMA return later
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Boom, ladies and gentlemen. Josh Barnett, youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion. And now re- uh, retired? Sort of, semi?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, no.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  No?
4. JBJosh Barnett
  Not retired.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Just, um, I'm, uh, free in the wind. I'm like a bald eagle. I'm just-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  ... out there.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Soring.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Just riding on that freedom.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah. That's America.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Just, uh, just, uh, I decided to leave the fold of the UFC-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  ... and, uh, chase my, my own futures, uh, by my own hands.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you actively competing or going to be actively competing?
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Um, there'll be some grappling stuff this year, but, uh, I'm figuring by the start of next year, I'll get back into the MMA circuits. Uh, mainly because it's just gonna take some time to set up camps, managers, the structure of everything.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Where I have, uh, proper sparring partners and all that.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And-
20. JBJosh Barnett
  So-
0:53 – 4:05
New Japan commentary and why pro wrestling is resurging
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in the meantime, we were talking about you're doing commentary for New Japan Pro-Wrestling with Jim Ross.
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And you do it on AXS TV, right?
4. JBJosh Barnett
  That's right, every Friday night at 8:00, uh, you can see me sit down and, and run my mouth about wrassling.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  But, uh, we just did, uh, the live show up at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Which they've been having sporadic, uh, wrestling events there, but it was, it was a big draw in that building in, like, the '60s and '70s I guess. So, it's, uh, a bit of a historical, uh-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It feels like wrestling, pro-wrestling's making a renaissance. It's, like, making a return.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah. Uh, I think that, um, there's a certain audience of, uh, of a certain age gap that, or age group, that has come into flourishing and, and, and into the internet and other ways to which to go ahead and, and, and bring wrestling back up there. And show that wrestling, whether it's the biggest company like the WWE, all the way to, say, you know, number two would be New Japan, and then there's all these independent companies all over the place that, uh, some of them have, you know, quite a decent following as well.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, uh, Billy Corgan from The Smashing Pumpkins?
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Huge wrestling fan.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  He owns... What, what is the company that he owns?
12. JBJosh Barnett
  The NWA.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, NWA.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  The National Wrestling Alliance. Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  So, he owns-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's hard. N-W-A. Is NWA the rap group?
18. JBJosh Barnett
  It's that too.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You mean. That's what I hear, when I hear NWA.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  I'm, I'm sure there's some attitude involved with-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm sure there's attitude.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  ... the wrestling NWA.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Can't speak about the rest of it. But, uh, um, NWA was... Is, I guess, still? It was... It's a legendary, um, sanctioning body. And so it wasn't any one particular company, but it was a, um, a sanctioning body that would then oversee certain titles. And so if you're gonna be on this show at this time, you're gonna defend the NWA championship, the NWA commission would get involved and, and they had their specifications as to how the title matches would be run and whether or not you could lose by disqualification or not, or if, you know, you could go over the top rope would be a DQ, and little stuff like that.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Who did Killer Kowalski wrestle for?
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Killer Kowalski? I couldn't tell you.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you remember him?
28. JBJosh Barnett
  I know the name, but I don't really... I mean, he was a famous-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, when I was in high school-
30. JBJosh Barnett
  ... famous trainer after the fact as well.
4:05 – 5:39
BBQ talk: sauces, smokers, and “serious” pit culture
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Does Jim Ross hook you up with his barbecue sauce?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs) You know, I, he probably-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Apparently he's got some fucking killer barbecue sauce.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  He's got this... He's got sauce, he's got rubs. He've, he's got all kinds of, uh, a whole menagerie of all your meat fixings.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Is he a pit master?
6. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Is he one of those dudes? Does he do the whole thing with the wood and like have a-
8. JBJosh Barnett
  I don't, I don't know.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... real smoker?
10. JBJosh Barnett
  His hickory chips.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  And then he's got his white oak on the side and then-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  ... one of them.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  One of them guys.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Maybe.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Maybe. He must be.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  At least in my mind.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah, there's, like, two types of people that use, like, that barbecue. There's people like me that use pellet grills, which is, like, infallible. You know, I use one of those Traegers.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  Sure.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  It's easy. You pour the pellets in, it does all the work for you. But then there's those serious motherfuckers who chop wood and dry it out and-
22. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah, they've got the Colemans.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  There are... Those old... Or the, uh, the ones that start with a W. Uh, the Weber grills that there's just nothing to it other than-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, those kettle grills?
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah, you just-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, those are for amateurs, bro.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  The real serious dudes, they get those side, those side smokers.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, sure.
5:39 – 9:39
Classic cars and manual pride: Barnett’s ’75 Firebird build
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you still drive a manual transmission all around Los Angeles?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  I just drove one today, yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Fuck yeah.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  And-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like a man.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  ... I just, uh, I've been driving around. I just got it out of the shop a little while ago, my... I have a '75 Formula, uh, Firebird.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Ooh.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  But instead of doing the LS swap, which everybody does, and I understand why, uh, it's got a 455 Pontiac in it that we bored. I had to bore it 60 out. Uh, it's got forged pistons. Uh, I didn't go with forged rods. I didn't need it, I think, because... Well, no, actually, I did put forged rods in it. Forged pistons, but iron heads, dual quads.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  What are you looking at?
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, you know, I don't know. The, the goal was to just make...... maybe one horsepower per cubic inch, but have well over 500 pound feet of torque. That was the idea. Just, and it's, it's a automatic, unfortunately.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah, yeah. Centerforce gives me, and Will, gives me crap about that all the time.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Why don't you just get it swapped out?
14. JBJosh Barnett
  (sighs) 'Cause I like just being able to drive it. (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Cut that third hole, son.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Cut that third hole in the floorboard.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Put, put the clutch pedal in there.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
20. JBJosh Barnett
  I'm, I'm more than down, but, uh, you know, hell, it needs paint, it needs interior done. It, you know-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Wait.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  So-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the Burt Reynolds car, right? Was that the year?
24. JBJosh Barnett
  No, that's a '77.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, yours is '75?
26. JBJosh Barnett
  '75, so it's got big, big hood scoops-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's a ... So circular headlights?
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, c- c- circular headlights, still kind of a, a square, round-off, rounded off square for the, the center.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Jamie'll pull it up. Would you pull up '75 Firebird?
30. JBJosh Barnett
  And the Formula has the big ram-air scoops on it.
9:39 – 18:05
Leather jackets, “tough” aesthetics, and performative masculinity
1. JBJosh Barnett
  You know, uh, I have a theory that, uh ... So not that long ago, I ... Maybe a just a handful of years ago, I finally got like a, a leather biker-style jacket, and so-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Like The Fonz?
3. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm ... Kind of, yeah. But it-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Hey.
5. JBJosh Barnett
  And, uh ... A ray.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
7. JBJosh Barnett
  Every time (laughs) ... You know what? But every time I smack something electronic, it, it doesn't work better, so there-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. He had a magic touch, bro.
9. JBJosh Barnett
  Absolutely. The ladies loved him.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  He ... Yeah.
11. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. JBJosh Barnett
  Keeps their dildos in shape.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
15. JBJosh Barnett
  But, uh, he, uh ... Or I ... So I got this jacket and I've always wanted one ever since I was a kid, and I went to this store in New York, 'cause there was no ... There wasn't a location locally where I could just try the jackets on, and I didn't wanna buy an expensive jacket and have to send it back, all that stuff. So I was in New York, went to the store, found the jacket that fit me, loved it, bought it, been wearing the ever-loving crap out of it, taken it all kinds of places. It's been in nasty black metal mosh pits with it on, I've been all around the world with it. I've been in, uh, Far Eastern Russia. A, a leather jacket is made to tell a story eventually at the end of its life.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
17. JBJosh Barnett
  But people will go, "Oh, you know, do you ride a, you ride a bike?" I'm like, "Uh, no, the reason why I have the jacket is because of Mad Max in The Road Warrior." 'Cause when I saw that in the ... As a kid, those jackets looked badass and, you know, here's the Bronze, the, the, the MFP running around in their Falcons just tearing ass and blowing shit up wearing these jackets. I'm like, "I want a jacket like that." But I started to notice that this jacket was everywhere, everywhere. Everybody, everybody was making a version of this jacket somehow or some way, this biker-style jacket. Guys are wearing it everywhere. Chicks are wearing it everywhere.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm.
19. JBJosh Barnett
  And then I'm like, "Huh, that's a weird fashion trend. I didn't really see that coming." And then as I started to think about it more and more and more, it seems like there is a attempt within society to try and present the image of toughness, right? So, mm-hmm, from haircuts to jackets to all these different kinds of things, they, everyone's trying to appear to be tough and badass all the time-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm.
21. JBJosh Barnett
  ... without ... But people aren't going out there necessarily risking it like they used to. They're not, they're not in ... Generally taking on these jobs that are dangerous or, or even just ... You know, people wanna have muscle cars, but they don't wanna work on them. They don't wanna ... It, it's like by having the item, it somehow in- implies some sort of-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Character.
23. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah, some sort of-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. JBJosh Barnett
  ... toughness, some sort of a rugged element to yourself, like, "Oh, you know, I'm a badass." Like-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Like you've gone through it.
27. JBJosh Barnett
  Right.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. JBJosh Barnett
  But you don't want that-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  You need that jacket. You're falling off your bike going 70 miles an hour and just rolling and (hands clapping) dusting yourself off.
18:05 – 22:23
Social media identity, selfies, and the economics of attention
1. JRJoe Rogan
  No. No, not for dudes. I mean, for girls, is there, like, one bo- I guess it's abs? Is it abs? Like, what is the one body part ... Turn to Jamie. Jamie?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah. Hey, tell us about what girls are into, yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Tell y- what, what y- (laughs) but, uh, for girls, it's a wallet.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Look how fat his wallet is.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  It does, yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it has an effect.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  It's kinda fat wallet. But, uh, i- well, and also it ... It wouldn't be a surprise that, that women in terms of that, that kind of shallow aspect of social media in that way could, could make more impact out of it. Because even when you look at, say-... all the men's mag- all the women's magazines and all that kinda stuff. Like, women wanna look at hot women.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Right? So, women are even driven to look at hot women. We're, of course, obviously driven to look at hot women.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, women know about filters too. They're like, "Oh, this bitch is using filters. Look at her. That is not what she looks like."
12. JBJosh Barnett
  And then on the-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  "Oh my God, she looks like a cartoon."
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Sure enough-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  "Look at her face. Look at her face."
16. JBJosh Barnett
  And then they're trying to find out what filter that was.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, what filter that was.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  "That's a beauty filter. What camera did she use?"
20. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, if, uh, if girls found out that there was, like, one camera that really did it, there would be... Every girl would use that one phone that has that one camera.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  Exactly. Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, if they nailed it... I guess they're all pretty good now, but if it... If there was, like, one standout phone that took better selfies-
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, that would be the one that they used.
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, it would be a marketing, uh, avalanche towards-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Right.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  ... uh, that demographic, for sure.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's just, like, your- your rear phone... Like, if you have a phone-
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
22:23 – 27:00
Beauty standards, fillers, and the “golden ratio” of the face
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where they have body dysmorphia, people don't know what they really look like. Do you, do you know about the Fibonacci sequence?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, the numbers, right?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  Okay.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's- it's, uh, the golden ratio.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  And it actually applies to facial features. See if you can find something on that. Fi-
8. JBJosh Barnett
  And now, there was a BBC documentary on that, right? And at the time, I was about-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Was there one on-
10. JBJosh Barnett
  And there was something about symmetry.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, and Elizabeth Hurley, when they made that thing, was considered, like, one of the most beautiful women in the world by the sym- by the mathematics of it all.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. She's still one of the most beautiful women on Earth.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  I don't doubt it. Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  That chick's like 88 years old, she's still hot as fuck.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  She's rocking it. Um, but, uh, there's something about the way your face is shaped. Um, you're- you're... Like, a good example is my friend Ari Shaffir.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Ari has a thin face and a long nose, and it all works together. Like, if he had my nose on his face, it would be like, "Hey, the fuck's wrong with your face?"
20. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) But the ratios of the width of his face and the length of his nose and the size of his eyes, all of that stuff somehow or another syncs up.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  So, you're saying it's not the any one thing, it's the sum of your parts?
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. It's all those things go together. And if one of them is off, like, say, if your... Here it is, golden ratio on the face.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Ah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So, if you are, uh, a Black woman and you have white lips, like a white woman's lips, people are like, "What the fuck is going on with her lips?"
26. JBJosh Barnett
  How does she even whistle?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. She's got a- a large nose or a wide nose and, you know.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  That's why I grow this facial hair, to hide my- my lips.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  To hide your li-... Skinny little skinny lips?
30. JBJosh Barnett
  My fucking pointless lips.
27:00 – 29:10
Fear Factor boredom, desensitization, and escalation psychology
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. It's got some big ass ti- ... It's ... This is so stupid. From 2002 to somewhere around 2007, I think I was high every day.
2. JBJosh Barnett
  It's all a blur.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
4. JBJosh Barnett
  It's just a ... It's just like driving through a-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  While I was doing Fear Factor, man.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  ... through a coastal fog.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I would... I was so bored when I was doing Fear Factor. The only way I enjoyed it was I was getting high as fuck.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  What? You weren't ... You weren't enjoying all eating pig anuses and people screaming about having a centipede on their head?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh ... After a while it got bored. It got boring.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  You get desensitized to it.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It just didn't mean anything.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Like, I just can't watch general porn anymore, right? It's like, if there's not a robot-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  ... uh, in there, you know, having sex with a tiger while a midget films it.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Clearly that stuff does happen, right? Like, there's a reason why people like gag porn-
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Isn't it rule 34 if there's not a porn of it that, uh ... It, it, it ... If there's ... If you can think of it, there's a porn out there, and 35 is if it doesn't exist it shall be made?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. That makes sense.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  It's a 4Chan thing. Not that I'm on 4Chan all the time, but-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh. Well, someone's got a ... An alt account.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) There's something about, like, people getting desensitized that's fucking absolutely real. And that's one of the reasons why, like, in times of war people are capable of doing more and more a- awful shit. It's like, you get desensitized. You get normalized. Like, people are very malleable. You get accustomed to all sorts of things.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  Yes. And it ... It d- ... Some of those things don't necessarily stay forever. They're, they're subjective, you know, for that, that time and that moment. And plus, there is everything that's going around you. And, and if, if we're all in here and, and we're ... Say we're drinking coffee and we think that this is the way to be. And, and then other ... E- everyone else o- out and around us are like, "Well, they're all drinking energy drinks. Well, energy drinks are actually the best thing to ... Uh, well, now there's this other thing that you see that ... and perhaps ..." And then that bleeds into, "What? Oh, no. Let's do energy drinks instead."
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  And if you go from that to, you know, "Let's drink, uh, grain alcohol." Well, maybe not.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. Well, could be.
26. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I mean, sure. People just-
28. JBJosh Barnett
  But I'm just-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... imitate their atmosphere.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  So ... And, and if someone else is, you know ... God, in war, you know, if, if they take one of your, your, your teammates and then cut 'em to pieces and send 'em back to you, then all of a sudden-
29:10 – 36:31
Energy drinks, caffeine math, and trend cycles (acid-wash to fanny packs)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah. There's ... I used to know a dude who, uh ... He was a Mormon. And Mormons aren't allowed to drink coffee.
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Well, I thought you were gonna go somewhere else with it.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  I knew a dude, he was a Mormon, he used to cut people to pieces and send them to me.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  No. He didn't do any of that.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  Well, I mean, Mormons. Th- they're just so friendly.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  There, there's something gotta be going on underneath.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Something's ... There's a trigger that-
12. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you gotta find it. (laughs) But it's a ...
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Puts a, puts a hole in their ... They get a hole in their magic underwear and they're just ... That's it.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (clicks tongue)
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Burn the fucking place down.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I offered him a cup of coffee and he's like, "No, uh, I, I can't drink coffee." And he had a fucking ... One of those huge Monster Energy drinks.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Seriously?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. He was drinking them all day long, to the point where he was having, like, heart problems.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) He's getting fucking heart palpitations. He was drinking ... Oh, no. It wasn't, wasn't Monsters, it was Rockstars. I wonder which one has more caffeine. Find out which one ha- ... I, I think Rockstar-
22. JBJosh Barnett
  I think Rockstar has more caffeine.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... has more caffeine than a Monster.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Monster is doable. Like, I've, I've drank ... Uh, I'll drink a sugar-free Monster during UFC broadcasts sometimes.
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm. I drink those during the, uh, the new Japan shows. They're four hours.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  But the problem is, you gotta piss.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Yes.
36:31 – 42:41
Yeezys, socks-with-slides, and the “soul” of cars (Tesla debate)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Would you ever drive a Tesla?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, I would drive a Tesla. Uh, but you know, here's... I got... One of my beefs, not with Teslas per se in any way, but I would say talking about cars with somebody, uh, out and about. And they'll... We'll have some conversation and, uh, I'll bring up some car or we're talking about something like, uh, the Dodge, uh... No, it wasn't the Demon. When the Hellcat came out and so like, "Oh yeah, those, those Hellcats. I've heard amazing things about how not only is it obviously incredibly powerful and fast, but that they're, they're massively comfortable. You could... It's a GT car. You could grand tour it all over the US and be comfy the whole time and, and it-"
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Smooth riding car.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah. And they're like, "Oh, but, you know, what about the Tesla?" I'm like, "Um-"... that's another $40,000 to $50,000 more. "Oh, it's almost ... It ... I, I heard it's as fast, if not faster." I go, "If I'm paying over a hundred fucking thousand dollars for a car, it better be fast. It better have all this shit." Like, w- and, and I would talk about, you know, certain other ... And, and a lot of times, it's like, "My Firebird doesn't cost that much, dude. I don't care if that Tesla wins. You just spent $150,000 on a car."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay. But what if cost wasn't an option? What if you were Elon Musk?
6. JBJosh Barnett
  If I'm Elon Musk, I'm ... Well, God, I don't think he can not drive a Tesla. If he's out there-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. (laughs)
8. JBJosh Barnett
  ... and a, and a goddamn three-inch exhaust-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it's a bad example.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  ... 470, you know, big block Pontiac-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I know.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  ... people are like, "What the fuck?"
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. He probably can't drive anything but Teslas.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Right. And-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, what a trap.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  For real.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  That's not good. Like, if a guy owns Porsche-
20. JBJosh Barnett
  But for me, no, I would, I would rather, I would rather drive, um, a car ... I, I don't feel like electric cars have souls.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Soles.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  They don't have any. There's, like, nothing ... It doesn't ... (singing)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I know what you mean.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Like, beep, beep, boop, boop, boop, bop, and then the little printer (imitating printer noise) comes out. And I, I ... it just doesn't do it for me.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they're really cool, but at the end of the day, w- there's a problem. The problem is it feels good to hear the rumble of an engine, just (imitating engine revving) . I mean, and to fucking put that clutch in and pop that gear. What is that? Elon's two gas cars he owns are v- more quality- Oh.
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, a Jag?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  A Jag.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Huh.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That's an old school Jag. That's a bad-ass car.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah, '60s Jag. That's a bad-ass Jag.
42:41 – 45:29
Running of the Bulls, bullfighting ethics, and factory farming realities
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you know what my favorite thing to watch is? One of my favorite things over the last couple weeks? I, I gotta stop. I watch fucking Running With The Bulls.
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, man.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  When is that? Is that in the spring?
4. JBJosh Barnett
  That's actually this week, I think. I have a bunch of friends over there that are gonna do that.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, no! Call them. Call them. Tell them you love them. Tell them-
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Tell them to get the fuck out of there. (laughs) Don't do it.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Don't do it.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  "Hey, let's, let's, uh, hey, let's get this two-ton animal, fucking run-"
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I just don't think people understand, A, how strong those things are, and B, how shitty their body works. People have this idea, "They come at me, bro, I'm gonna fucking just ... Get outta the way." And then, what are you-
12. JBJosh Barnett
  "I'll just sidestep it."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Meanwhile, you're on these slick, beer-soaked ... What is this, Jamie? Going on right now.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, this is the end of it, yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  This is right now? Yeah, it's the 6th or the 14th. (sighs) It's happening right now. I can't believe it. I've been watching videos. I didn't know it was actually live. This is-
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Well, this is-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  This is-
18. JBJosh Barnett
  ... this is on Instagram. This isn't live.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  This is so fucking insane. This is so insane. People are so insane.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  And what if it gets a bead on you and then all of a sudden they go, "Nope, you're the only one out of this entire crowd of 500 people right now that it wants to gore."
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, if it finds one that sits still, it's gonna ta- take its frustrations out. And the crazy thing is how... Look how many people are there watching this. They're watching these fools running around in the middle of this bullfighting thing.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  They wanna see someone get (laughs) fucked up by a bull.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Have you ever watched a bullfight?
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh, I have not. I have seen plenty of, uh, you know, clips, footage of it, what have you, but I've never watched a bullfight.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I'm not interested.
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Didn't- doesn't really do anything for me.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
28. JBJosh Barnett
  I mean, I- I can... Up until the point of- of- of s- killing it, like I... Okay, you wanna go out there and dodge a bull? Uh, seems like a bad idea, but all right. But then, you know... All right, you've already proven that you can maneuver yourself out of the way. No need to spear it and kill it.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Y- It also seems to me that-
30. JBJosh Barnett
  I know it's tradition.
45:29 – 55:45
Carnivore/keto talk, bread temptation, and the case for eggs
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you know... You know about the carnivore diet?
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Now, see, here's the thing. I've been, uh... I- I heard you talking to-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Jordan Peterson.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  You've talked a lot about it, and then Jordan Peterson and his- his daughter, uh, as well.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I talked about it with, uh, Chris Bell first-
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... who's been on it for... (sniffs) I think he's been on it for at least six months or so, and he's having radical improvements. And one of the reasons that he's having improvements and then Jordan's having, um, uh, tremendous results, and, uh, Jordan's daughter as well, is arthritis.
8. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They all have arthritis.
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Yes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, Chris Bell has two-
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Smelly.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... artificial hips.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, I don't doubt it.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  He tried to be that-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mark is smelly.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, Mark is smelly. Chris is, uh-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mark's the big one. Chris is Boer. Chris "Boer" Bell.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  Boer. Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, um, and Chris is the one who, uh, produced Bigger Stronger Faster and Prescription Stubs.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  I met Chris. I've met... I've actually never met Mark-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  They're great guys.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  ... in person, but yeah-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They're both-
26. JBJosh Barnett
  ... Chris is a fantastic. Always got his backward baseball cap on.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they're both-
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... fantastic guys and really, really smart. And just... Chris has st- suffered from serious debilitating arthritis and pain in his joints his whole life. Having a carnivore diet knocked it out for him.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  And- and that's-
55:45 – 1:01:09
Huxley vs. Orwell, Hindu psychedelics, and why comfort can control people
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah. I mean, you go back and read the Bhagavad Gita, I mean, they had some really complex philosophy and, uh, really interesting thoughts about the universe. But a lot of people believe that that was due to psychedelic drugs. And one of the-
2. JBJosh Barnett
  Could be.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... yeah, but one of the, one of the reasons why they believe they had this interesting relationship with cattle, but not with lamb, was because cattle shit would grow magic mushrooms on it.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  Huh.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  This is because soma is a big part of, uh, ancient Hindu folklore and their religion and their ancient texts, they talk about soma. And soma was some sort of a psychedelic mixture, and they don't know exactly what it was. But they know that Hindus, um, (clears throat) the, um ... Like, a lot of the ancient, uh, Hindu texts, they deal with some sacraments. And they know that they were into hash, and like a lot of the yogis and sadhus, they're into chillums. They smokes chillums of hash.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  Hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  So they knew they were into hash, but they think that their aversion to eating cows may have had something to do with the fact that these cows would shit, and then the mushrooms would grow out of the cow shit-
8. JBJosh Barnett
  Sure. (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and then they would eat these mushrooms-
10. JBJosh Barnett
  So are they-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and have these profound experiences.
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Right.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And so that these ... They thought of these cows as this conduits to God.
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (coughs) But then there's ... You know, also they probably drank the milk.
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, they probably used them to plow the fields to grow their food. So it's, it's real ... It's interesting because when a, when a culture has an aversion to eating a s- very specific animal, and that specific animal also is the main source of psychedelic mushrooms, to, to ignore that connection seems a little bit weird.
18. JBJosh Barnett
  No, I don't think it's arbitrary. I think it's, it's, it's something that would be worth investigating.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. JBJosh Barnett
  Right? I mean, why not? And i- in worst case scenario, you come down to you have to figure out it's something else, but-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, just ... I ... Look at Shiva, like, right? You see a picture of Shiva, the m- the, the Shiva has-
22. JBJosh Barnett
  Six arms.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Six arms, and Shiva's standing on, like, a little ... It looks like a baby. (sniffs) And I always ... I, uh, I, uh, have a giant bronze Shiva in my house.
24. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And when I bought it, the lady said, uh, "This, uh, Shiva is standing on ignorance. This is what it's supposed to be." I go, "I thought ignorance would be way bigger than that."
26. JBJosh Barnett
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) But I felt like-
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... i- ignorance would be like a dragon that Shiva was, like, fighting, was much larger than him. But when you ... That f- that thing that Shiva's doing, that's what happens when you trip your balls off, okay? If you trip balls and you were start moving your arms around-
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh-huh.
1:01:09 – 1:26:07
Jordan Peterson backlash, free speech vs. platforms, and ideological tribalism
1. JRJoe Rogan
  There's something that Dave Rubin tweeted today. See if you could find this. Um, it's the real reason that the mayor of Durham-
2. JBJosh Barnett
  What is it, something about Star Wars? (laughs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think so.
4. JBJosh Barnett
  No? Is that-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  The major of Durham, uh, app- apparently, uh, said something about Jordan Peterson, that Jordan Peterson is not welcome in Durham, North Carolina.... because of his transphobic and racist views.
6. JBJosh Barnett
  What?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, what does he... Let's see. K- I can't read that, man. Can you make that a little larger?
8. JBJosh Barnett
  What a fucking misrepresented person Jordan Peterson has become.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (sighs) Well-
10. JBJosh Barnett
  Just, just b-... It's gotta be blatant.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's very strange. "We believe that Durham is a place for all of us, Black, white, Asian, Latinx..." Oh, I like how he went Latinx-
12. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... instead of Latino because-
14. JBJosh Barnett
  Mm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... if you say Latinx, it's like Latina, Latino. You get it? See?
16. JBJosh Barnett
  Like, all the, all the Latinos. Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm, I'm not taking any chances. "Indigenous and mixed race, trans and cis..." Cis isn't a real word. You're getting crazy, Mayor. "Gay and lesbian, queer and straight." See, this is the thing. What is queer?
18. JBJosh Barnett
  Queer doesn't cover all of it anymore. It, it, it's not-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  What is queer?
20. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh...
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm always confused by that. Look, I'm down for you to be whatever.
22. JBJosh Barnett
  It, it's kind of a very open, vague term. I mean, and maybe there is a... And a... Maybe there's some sort of accepted standard for what, what de- defines queer versus gay-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  What about a-ble?
24. JBJosh Barnett
  ... and lesbian.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  What about, uh, asexual? Is that all right?
26. JBJosh Barnett
  Uh...
27. JRJoe Rogan
  How come he didn't put that in? Asexual people, you should march-
28. JBJosh Barnett
  Oh, oh, yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in Durham.
30. JBJosh Barnett
  Now, now, now they're fucked.