JRE MMA Show #34 with Josh Barnett

Joe Rogan 0:07 Boom, ladies and gentlemen. Josh Barnett, youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion. And now re- uh, retired? Sort of, semi?

Josh Barnett 0:13 Uh, no.

Joe Rogan 0:14 No?

Josh Barnett 0:14 Not retired.

Joe Rogan 0:14 No.

Josh Barnett 0:14 Just, um, I'm, uh, free in the wind. I'm like a bald eagle. I'm just-

Joe Rogan 0:18 Ah.

Josh Barnett 0:18 ... out there.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Soring.

Josh Barnett 0:19 Just riding on that freedom.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Ah. That's America.

Josh Barnett 0:22 Just, uh, just, uh, I decided to leave the fold of the UFC-

Joe Rogan 0:27 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 0:27 ... and, uh, chase my, my own futures, uh, by my own hands.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Are you actively competing or going to be actively competing?

Josh Barnett 0:36 Um, there'll be some grappling stuff this year, but, uh, I'm figuring by the start of next year, I'll get back into the MMA circuits. Uh, mainly because it's just gonna take some time to set up camps, managers, the structure of everything.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Right.

Josh Barnett 0:50 Where I have, uh, proper sparring partners and all that.

Joe Rogan 0:53 And-

Josh Barnett 0:53 So-

Joe Rogan 0:53 ... in the meantime, we were talking about you're doing commentary for New Japan Pro-Wrestling with Jim Ross.

Josh Barnett 0:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:58 And you do it on AXS TV, right?

Josh Barnett 0:59 That's right, every Friday night at 8:00, uh, you can see me sit down and, and run my mouth about wrassling.

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 1:06 But, uh, we just did, uh, the live show up at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Which they've been having sporadic, uh, wrestling events there, but it was, it was a big draw in that building in, like, the '60s and '70s I guess. So, it's, uh, a bit of a historical, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:23 It feels like wrestling, pro-wrestling's making a renaissance. It's, like, making a return.

Josh Barnett 1:27 Yeah. Uh, I think that, um, there's a certain audience of, uh, of a certain age gap that, or age group, that has come into flourishing and, and, and into the internet and other ways to which to go ahead and, and, and bring wrestling back up there. And show that wrestling, whether it's the biggest company like the WWE, all the way to, say, you know, number two would be New Japan, and then there's all these independent companies all over the place that, uh, some of them have, you know, quite a decent following as well.

Joe Rogan 1:57 You know, uh, Billy Corgan from The Smashing Pumpkins?

Josh Barnett 1:59 Huge wrestling fan.

Joe Rogan 2:00 He owns... What, what is the company that he owns?

Josh Barnett 2:02 The NWA.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Yeah, NWA.

Josh Barnett 2:03 The National Wrestling Alliance. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 2:05 So, he owns-

Joe Rogan 2:05 It's hard. N-W-A. Is NWA the rap group?

Josh Barnett 2:08 It's that too.

Joe Rogan 2:09 You mean. That's what I hear, when I hear NWA.

Josh Barnett 2:11 I'm, I'm sure there's some attitude involved with-

Joe Rogan 2:13 I'm sure there's attitude.

Josh Barnett 2:14 ... the wrestling NWA.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 2:16 Can't speak about the rest of it. But, uh, um, NWA was... Is, I guess, still? It was... It's a legendary, um, sanctioning body. And so it wasn't any one particular company, but it was a, um, a sanctioning body that would then oversee certain titles. And so if you're gonna be on this show at this time, you're gonna defend the NWA championship, the NWA commission would get involved and, and they had their specifications as to how the title matches would be run and whether or not you could lose by disqualification or not, or if, you know, you could go over the top rope would be a DQ, and little stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 2:53 Who did Killer Kowalski wrestle for?

Josh Barnett 2:56 Killer Kowalski? I couldn't tell you.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Do you remember him?

Josh Barnett 2:59 I know the name, but I don't really... I mean, he was a famous-

Joe Rogan 3:02 Dude, when I was in high school-

Josh Barnett 3:02 ... famous trainer after the fact as well.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Oh, was he?

Josh Barnett 3:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:05 When I was in high school, he was the guy-

Josh Barnett 3:08 Probably NWA guy.

Joe Rogan 3:09 NWA. It was at NWA? NWA, NWA.

Josh Barnett 3:10 It was. That's right.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Did we talk about that with Billy? I think we did. I don't... Maybe I missed it. He was, like, local cable when I was in high school.

Josh Barnett 3:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:16 It was like Killer Kowalski.

Josh Barnett 3:17 The territory days, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:18 He had, like, a claw. He would, like, grab his own wrist and grab your head or some shit. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 3:21 Mm-hmm. The iron claw. Like, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:23 That fucking guy. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 3:25 Fritz Von Erich. Killer Kowalski.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah. They'd look at his hand. He's got his hand up, the claw. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 3:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:32 It's like there's some nostalgia to it. That's one of the reasons why I feel like it's, it's coming back. It's like people who liked it as a kid are now, as adults going back to it-

Josh Barnett 3:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:40 ... as a nostalgia. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 3:41 Well, with the internet, it's, it's much easier to go out there and, and put product out, right?

Joe Rogan 3:46 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 3:46 So it makes it, um, more easily disseminated to any audience that might wanna see it. Especially with, like, uh, um, you know, shows that are abroad. Like, there are some shows that'll go on in Germany and Austria that will get streamed and people get a hold of them, they get to watch 'em. So it's not like the tape trading days of the... of yesteryear.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Does Jim Ross hook you up with his barbecue sauce?

Josh Barnett 4:08 (laughs) You know, I, he probably-

Joe Rogan 4:08 Apparently he's got some fucking killer barbecue sauce.

Josh Barnett 4:11 He's got this... He's got sauce, he's got rubs. He've, he's got all kinds of, uh, a whole menagerie of all your meat fixings.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Is he a pit master?

Josh Barnett 4:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:21 Is he one of those dudes? Does he do the whole thing with the wood and like have a-

Josh Barnett 4:24 I don't, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 4:25 ... real smoker?

Josh Barnett 4:25 His hickory chips.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 4:27 And then he's got his white oak on the side and then-

Joe Rogan 4:29 Oh.

Josh Barnett 4:30 ... one of them.

Joe Rogan 4:30 One of them guys.

Josh Barnett 4:31 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Maybe. He must be.

Josh Barnett 4:32 At least in my mind.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yeah. Yeah, there's, like, two types of people that use, like, that barbecue. There's people like me that use pellet grills, which is, like, infallible. You know, I use one of those Traegers.

Josh Barnett 4:42 Sure.

Joe Rogan 4:42 It's easy. You pour the pellets in, it does all the work for you. But then there's those serious motherfuckers who chop wood and dry it out and-

Josh Barnett 4:49 Yeah, they've got the Colemans.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 4:50 There are... Those old... Or the, uh, the ones that start with a W. Uh, the Weber grills that there's just nothing to it other than-

Joe Rogan 4:58 Oh, those kettle grills?

Josh Barnett 5:00 Yeah, you just-

Joe Rogan 5:00 Yeah, those are for amateurs, bro.

Josh Barnett 5:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:02 The real serious dudes, they get those side, those side smokers.

Josh Barnett 5:06 Oh, sure.

Joe Rogan 5:06 So they have, like, the main chamber and then you got a little wood box on the side where the, the wood's heating up and then the air goes through and it smokes from the... That's those people that cook at, like, 225. They never let anything get hotter than that.

Josh Barnett 5:18 Dude, I-

Joe Rogan 5:19 All day.

Josh Barnett 5:19 ... throw stuff over, over gas flames. That's what I do.

Joe Rogan 5:23 You're one of those guys?

Josh Barnett 5:24 I'm a Luddite. I'm... I have no business having any, any voice in the realm of barbecuing.

Joe Rogan 5:31 But it seems like something you'd be interested in.

Josh Barnett 5:32 Oh, I love it. It's just-

Joe Rogan 5:33 You're, you're a man who is into all things manly.

Josh Barnett 5:35 This is true, and I like setting stuff on fire and then eating it. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Do you still drive a manual transmission all around Los Angeles?

Josh Barnett 5:41 I just drove one today, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 Fuck yeah.

Josh Barnett 5:43 And-

Joe Rogan 5:43 Like a man.

Josh Barnett 5:44 ... I just, uh, I've been driving around. I just got it out of the shop a little while ago, my... I have a '75 Formula, uh, Firebird.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Ooh.

Josh Barnett 5:52 But instead of doing the LS swap, which everybody does, and I understand why, uh, it's got a 455 Pontiac in it that we bored. I had to bore it 60 out. Uh, it's got forged pistons. Uh, I didn't go with forged rods. I didn't need it, I think, because... Well, no, actually, I did put forged rods in it. Forged pistons, but iron heads, dual quads.

Joe Rogan 6:13 What are you looking at?

Josh Barnett 6:14 Uh, you know, I don't know. The, the goal was to just make...... maybe one horsepower per cubic inch, but have well over 500 pound feet of torque. That was the idea. Just, and it's, it's a automatic, unfortunately.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Oh.

Josh Barnett 6:26 Yeah, yeah. Centerforce gives me, and Will, gives me crap about that all the time.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Why don't you just get it swapped out?

Josh Barnett 6:31 (sighs) 'Cause I like just being able to drive it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:33 Cut that third hole, son.

Josh Barnett 6:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:35 Cut that third hole in the floorboard.

Josh Barnett 6:37 Put, put the clutch pedal in there.

Joe Rogan 6:38 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 6:38 I'm, I'm more than down, but, uh, you know, hell, it needs paint, it needs interior done. It, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:45 Wait.

Josh Barnett 6:45 So-

Joe Rogan 6:45 That's the Burt Reynolds car, right? Was that the year?

Josh Barnett 6:47 No, that's a '77.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Okay, yours is '75?

Josh Barnett 6:50 '75, so it's got big, big hood scoops-

Joe Rogan 6:52 Oh, that's a ... So circular headlights?

Josh Barnett 6:53 Uh, c- c- circular headlights, still kind of a, a square, round-off, rounded off square for the, the center.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Jamie'll pull it up. Would you pull up '75 Firebird?

Josh Barnett 7:05 And the Formula has the big ram-air scoops on it.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Right, right, the, the, the two, right? The-

Josh Barnett 7:10 Yeah, the big snorkels that come over the top.

Joe Rogan 7:11 Yeah. Yeah, those are dope. There it is. Ooh, baby.

Josh Barnett 7:13 Yes, that's a Trans-Am, and, uh, mine's a Formula.

Joe Rogan 7:17 Ooh, look at that car.

Josh Barnett 7:19 I like that yellow one on the right or that, uh, gray one. Yeah, Formula.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Oh.

Josh Barnett 7:25 So I've been driving that around quite a bit, and Hotchkisss did all the suspension on it. Uh-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Oh, nice.

Josh Barnett 7:29 Wilwood did the brakes. Uh-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Ooh.

Josh Barnett 7:31 It stops in a heartbeat.

Joe Rogan 7:33 That's a nice car.

Josh Barnett 7:34 MagnaFlow exhaust.

Joe Rogan 7:35 That's one of the few cars that I like from '75. Like, it feel, I feel-

Josh Barnett 7:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:39 ... like everything after '71 is real risky.

Josh Barnett 7:42 In a, in a way. I mean, uh, some of the, the styling lines of these mid-'70s cars, I kinda like it in the obnoxiousness of it all.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 7:51 But, uh, and, you know, when you ... Whatever you get with these as far as ... Like, so this car came with a 400, the one that I bought, and, uh, it was like seven-and-a-half-to-one compression, so it was just a total dog. People are like, "Hey, do burnouts." I'm like, "I wish." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:05 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 8:05 I don't wish. It's, they-

Joe Rogan 8:06 Well, that was the year that ... I mean, the years where the gas gr- uh, crunch was on-

Josh Barnett 8:10 (sniffs) Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:10 ... and they started making these cars gas-efficient.

Josh Barnett 8:13 Right, well, or they attempted to in some way.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 8:15 Not to mention they would, um, they started, uh, trying to incorporate, um, uh, smog, uh, uh, elements to try and reduce the amount of smog out of these things, but they were just highly inefficient-

Joe Rogan 8:27 Hm.

Josh Barnett 8:27 ... the way they were going about it, with the AIR stuff and different, uh, processes that were like things connected to the heads and ... It was just bad news.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Yeah, it was a rough time for America. << Don't you don't don't want to >>

Josh Barnett 8:40 I know.

Joe Rogan 8:40 << Don't want to >>

Josh Barnett 8:40 The rare, the rare times with that is right?

Joe Rogan 8:42 Yeah, one of the rare times th- ... It was a rough time for cars, like from '71 to the '80s.

Josh Barnett 8:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:49 All through the '80s, we just made dog shit cars.

Josh Barnett 8:51 Made some real, real, real snoozers.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah. Pontiac was one of the few that was putting together a decent-looking car, the Firebirds and the Trans-Ams.

Josh Barnett 8:59 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 8:59 And then of course Corvette, Corvette still had some good-looking cars in the '70s.

Josh Barnett 9:03 They did, and especially because they, even with the low-horsepower motors, they, they're still light cars, so you can still-

Joe Rogan 9:08 You know.

Josh Barnett 9:08 ... get up there and, and hustle and, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:09 Find the gas.

Josh Barnett 9:10 Yeah. And then with, uh, even into like '77, '78, you had the 6.6 liter, the 400, and, well or, or the 403 I guess by that point in the Pontiacs.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Right now chicks are turning off their fucking-

Josh Barnett 9:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:22 ... radio en masse.

Josh Barnett 9:24 I don't know if any-

Joe Rogan 9:25 It's like thot peww.

Josh Barnett 9:25 ... chicks wanted to tune in to listen to what I had to say anyways.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Come on, bro. You're Josh Barnett. Chicks wanna hear what you have to say. They wanna learn the ways of men.

Josh Barnett 9:33 The ways of men.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Yes, they wanna learn. They want-

Josh Barnett 9:36 You know?

Joe Rogan 9:36 There, there's a lot of fake men s- surrounding them-

Josh Barnett 9:38 There are a lot of fake men.

Joe Rogan 9:38 ... and they get confusing signals.

Josh Barnett 9:39 You know, uh, I have a theory that, uh ... So not that long ago, I ... Maybe a just a handful of years ago, I finally got like a, a leather biker-style jacket, and so-

Joe Rogan 9:50 Like The Fonz?

Josh Barnett 9:50 Mm ... Kind of, yeah. But it-

Joe Rogan 9:53 Hey.

Josh Barnett 9:53 And, uh ... A ray.

Joe Rogan 9:55 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 9:55 Every time (laughs) ... You know what? But every time I smack something electronic, it, it doesn't work better, so there-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah. He had a magic touch, bro.

Josh Barnett 10:02 Absolutely. The ladies loved him.

Joe Rogan 10:03 He ... Yeah.

Josh Barnett 10:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 10:06 Keeps their dildos in shape.

Joe Rogan 10:08 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 10:08 But, uh, he, uh ... Or I ... So I got this jacket and I've always wanted one ever since I was a kid, and I went to this store in New York, 'cause there was no ... There wasn't a location locally where I could just try the jackets on, and I didn't wanna buy an expensive jacket and have to send it back, all that stuff. So I was in New York, went to the store, found the jacket that fit me, loved it, bought it, been wearing the ever-loving crap out of it, taken it all kinds of places. It's been in nasty black metal mosh pits with it on, I've been all around the world with it. I've been in, uh, Far Eastern Russia. A, a leather jacket is made to tell a story eventually at the end of its life.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Right.

Josh Barnett 10:42 But people will go, "Oh, you know, do you ride a, you ride a bike?" I'm like, "Uh, no, the reason why I have the jacket is because of Mad Max in The Road Warrior." 'Cause when I saw that in the ... As a kid, those jackets looked badass and, you know, here's the Bronze, the, the, the MFP running around in their Falcons just tearing ass and blowing shit up wearing these jackets. I'm like, "I want a jacket like that." But I started to notice that this jacket was everywhere, everywhere. Everybody, everybody was making a version of this jacket somehow or some way, this biker-style jacket. Guys are wearing it everywhere. Chicks are wearing it everywhere.

Joe Rogan 11:19 Hm.

Josh Barnett 11:19 And then I'm like, "Huh, that's a weird fashion trend. I didn't really see that coming." And then as I started to think about it more and more and more, it seems like there is a attempt within society to try and present the image of toughness, right? So, mm-hmm, from haircuts to jackets to all these different kinds of things, they, everyone's trying to appear to be tough and badass all the time-

Joe Rogan 11:43 Hm.

Josh Barnett 11:43 ... without ... But people aren't going out there necessarily risking it like they used to. They're not, they're not in ... Generally taking on these jobs that are dangerous or, or even just ... You know, people wanna have muscle cars, but they don't wanna work on them. They don't wanna ... It, it's like by having the item, it somehow in- implies some sort of-

Joe Rogan 12:03 Character.

Josh Barnett 12:04 Yeah, some sort of-

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 12:04 ... toughness, some sort of a rugged element to yourself, like, "Oh, you know, I'm a badass." Like-

Joe Rogan 12:09 Like you've gone through it.

Josh Barnett 12:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:11 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 12:11 But you don't want that-

Joe Rogan 12:11 You need that jacket. You're falling off your bike going 70 miles an hour and just rolling and (hands clapping) dusting yourself off.

Josh Barnett 12:18 (laughs) And you'll see all the, like, uh, like, the 30-year-old Hollywood-y type dudes with the manicured beards and all that on their Harleys that have all been, uh, you know, tur- turned into choppers. And, like, "Oh, okay."

Joe Rogan 12:29 Mm.

Josh Barnett 12:29 It's, like, a, a, a big show of, of toughness without ... Because people aren't going out there and, and living tough lives anymore.

Joe Rogan 12:37 (smacks lips) Is it toughness or is it coolness? Or ... And are they the same thing?

Josh Barnett 12:40 It's, it's, it's ... I think it's, uh, a coolness related to the idea of being tough.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Right, an attempt at authenticity.

Josh Barnett 12:46 Correct.

Joe Rogan 12:47 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 12:47 And, uh, you know, to use a, a term, like, u- masculinity, right?

Joe Rogan 12:51 Mm. Right.

Josh Barnett 12:51 And even though a, a woman that's a- appearing to be tough, I mean, you would call that a masculine trait even though that doesn't mean that they're being a man. It's not the same thing.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Well, she's putting out a signal, right? A, a, a chick that wears, like, a leather jacket and rides a bike, she's putting out a signal, like, "You better be a bad motherfucker if you want this, bitch." Or, "I'm into girls."

Josh Barnett 13:10 (laughs) I mean, it's ... You know, one of the, one of the-

Joe Rogan 13:12 It's one of those, one of those two things.

Josh Barnett 13:13 ... uh, uh, the, the previous could still apply to the latter.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 13:16 Um-

Joe Rogan 13:16 For sure.

Josh Barnett 13:17 But, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah, absolutely.

Josh Barnett 13:18 ... It's, it's like, um, you know, "I'm a bad motherfucker," all right, whatever, whatever vibe you're trying to put out there. And then you go and you're like, "Well, okay, what, what's bad motherfucker about you?"

Joe Rogan 13:28 "I don't take no shit."

Josh Barnett 13:29 Yeah. Sure you do.

Joe Rogan 13:30 "Hey, bro, I don't take any shit."

Josh Barnett 13:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:32 "When my agent calls me, I tell him to fuck off."

Josh Barnett 13:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:36 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 13:37 "I walked in, I nailed that audition. I didn't even have any product in my hair."

Joe Rogan 13:40 "I don't give a fuck. You don't know me, man. I'm different."

Josh Barnett 13:45 It's just, uh, it's just a little-

Joe Rogan 13:46 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 13:47 It's a casual observation. It's totally anecdotal, but it just seems like-

Joe Rogan 13:49 I just-

Josh Barnett 13:49 ... people are attempting to try and ... It's, like, things ... I always tell people about looking at human history, I go, the, the, the issues that we deal with, the things that affect us are not new. Just, in a lot of ways, they're just more magnified. They're, uh, especially with social media. Um, social media, I believe, like, it picks and preys on certain elements of, of our way of being, our process, uh, and it, and it heightens our responses to certain things, but it also heightens what we see from these responses.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Mm.

Josh Barnett 14:20 Because when somebody is, let's say, massively insecure, so social media can really prey ... help play hell on that and make you feel more insecure, especially if you're putting (sniffs) depending on w- where you're putting value on, what you see or what is said about you or-

Joe Rogan 14:36 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 14:36 ... how you are necessarily ... if you're comparing yourself to others. Also, when you respond to that in some way, through your own social media, be it by trying to take more grandiose photos or, or, or, I don't know, uh, whatever sort of signaling of, of how to, to make up for that, it shines even that much more to everybody else.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 14:59 S- so what you do get seen as much as you see what everybody else does. And then you're given an option on how do you react to that. Well, if you're not ... I mean, these are the sort of ... You can go back into old books on philosophy and, uh, you know, old historical texts. Insecurity is not going anywhere. We're not any- all that much more different from 1,000 years or 2,000 years or 3,000 years in the way we react and respond to things than we are now. It's just that all these things are amplified under the, the elements of technology that are around us and how they can affect us and how much easier it is for th- for those things to get to us.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Yeah. Radically amplified. I mean, I see people fighting with people on, uh, Instagram.

Josh Barnett 15:44 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 15:44 You know, see people fighting with-

Josh Barnett 15:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:46 ... uh, commenters.

Josh Barnett 15:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:47 You know, if someone posts something and then other people shit on them, and then they, they take their posts and comment on that. And, and you gotta go ... This is, like, hours of your day, man. And people are just sniping at you for the clothes you're wearing or-

Josh Barnett 16:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:00 ... your fake lips or whatever it is.

Josh Barnett 16:02 It's something, right? And you, you-

Joe Rogan 16:03 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 16:03 ... you could say, well, you know, you've got the person who's got a, um, who's turned their, their social media into a very self-absorbed sort of, uh, platform, right?

Joe Rogan 16:12 That's a lot.

Josh Barnett 16:13 And that's a-

Joe Rogan 16:13 A lot of it.

Josh Barnett 16:13 ... that's a lot. And then even ... And then a- amongst that, it's like, well, I mean, to a degree, if it's your social media and, and you are the prime element within it, w- uh, you know, of course it would be a bit self-absorbed, but-

Joe Rogan 16:26 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 16:26 But I think there's more nuance to it than that. And it's not just to pick on, say, you know, the gals-

Joe Rogan 16:31 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 16:31 ... that are taking all the sexy selfies and all that kinda stuff. There's the, the dudes that do essentially the same equivalent. And it's all in a, in a ... You know, often, it could be in a response to drive attention towards themselves, but what do you ... why do you want that attention in the first place? And, and of course that's something you can't know until you know the person exactly.

Joe Rogan 16:49 Well, a lot of girls make a living off of it.

Josh Barnett 16:50 Y- 100%. Right.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Yeah, there's a lot of girls that they do, like, sponsored tweets or sponsored-

Josh Barnett 16:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:56 ... Instagram posts.

Josh Barnett 16:57 Yep. Once they can get enough of them, people follow.

Joe Rogan 16:58 I don't know how many dudes are making a living off of Instagram that way for s- like, that got famous. Like, for girls, it's, like, girls with big asses and ...

Josh Barnett 17:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 There's one girl that I, I just started following.

Josh Barnett 17:07 Mm.

Joe Rogan 17:07 Her whole Instagram is her ass.

Josh Barnett 17:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:11 I mean, that is it, man. I was thinking ... Uh, uh, it was a terrible thing to think, but I was thinking if a dog ever came over and bit her ass, she'd be out of work.

Josh Barnett 17:18 That's it.

Joe Rogan 17:18 That's fucked up.

Josh Barnett 17:19 She'd have a, an arcing spray of, of fucking gel-

Joe Rogan 17:22 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 17:22 ... shooting out of her ass.

Joe Rogan 17:23 Oh, she should have Kevlar pants on everywhere she goes.

Josh Barnett 17:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:26 That ass is valuable.

Josh Barnett 17:27 Lloyds of London, I have ... Uh, what will you give me per cheek on insurance on this?

Joe Rogan 17:31 I mean, she has a tremendous ass. Don't get me wrong, but it's just weird when there's just, like, one body part-

Josh Barnett 17:37 Here's my ass.

Joe Rogan 17:37 ... that essentially defines your identity. Like, this is what she does.

Josh Barnett 17:41 It totally does. Which, which is weirder, that-

Joe Rogan 17:43 It's great ass, though.

Josh Barnett 17:44 ... this, this person with this fantastic, monumental, epic-level ass-

Joe Rogan 17:48 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 17:49 ... um, is out there taking photos of it and putting it out there for people to see. Or that people not only continue to look at it, but more flock to this-

Joe Rogan 17:58 Hmm.

Josh Barnett 17:58 ... this, uh, religious icon of an ass, apparently.

Joe Rogan 18:01 (smacks lips) Yeah. Well, uh, it is-

Josh Barnett 18:03 It doesn't get old, apparent- it- it just never gets old.

Joe Rogan 18:05 No. No, not for dudes. I mean, for girls, is there, like, one bo- I guess it's abs? Is it abs? Like, what is the one body part ... Turn to Jamie. Jamie?

Josh Barnett 18:13 Yeah. Hey, tell us about what girls are into, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:17 Tell y- what, what y- (laughs) but, uh, for girls, it's a wallet.

Josh Barnett 18:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:19 Look how fat his wallet is.

Josh Barnett 18:20 It does, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Oh, it has an effect.

Josh Barnett 18:22 It's kinda fat wallet. But, uh, i- well, and also it ... It wouldn't be a surprise that, that women in terms of that, that kind of shallow aspect of social media in that way could, could make more impact out of it. Because even when you look at, say-... all the men's mag- all the women's magazines and all that kinda stuff. Like, women wanna look at hot women.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yeah. Yeah.

Josh Barnett 18:43 Right? So, women are even driven to look at hot women. We're, of course, obviously driven to look at hot women.

Joe Rogan 18:47 Well, women know about filters too. They're like, "Oh, this bitch is using filters. Look at her. That is not what she looks like."

Josh Barnett 18:53 And then on the-

Joe Rogan 18:53 "Oh my God, she looks like a cartoon."

Josh Barnett 18:54 Sure enough-

Joe Rogan 18:54 "Look at her face. Look at her face."

Josh Barnett 18:56 And then they're trying to find out what filter that was.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah, what filter that was.

Josh Barnett 18:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:58 "That's a beauty filter. What camera did she use?"

Josh Barnett 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah, if, uh, if girls found out that there was, like, one camera that really did it, there would be... Every girl would use that one phone that has that one camera.

Josh Barnett 19:09 Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Like, if they nailed it... I guess they're all pretty good now, but if it... If there was, like, one standout phone that took better selfies-

Josh Barnett 19:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:17 ... like, that would be the one that they used.

Josh Barnett 19:19 Oh, it would be a marketing, uh, avalanche towards-

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah. Right.

Josh Barnett 19:23 ... uh, that demographic, for sure.

Joe Rogan 19:24 It's just, like, your- your rear phone... Like, if you have a phone-

Josh Barnett 19:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:27 ... the- the camera on the back is always more powerful than the selfie camera.

Josh Barnett 19:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Come on, for real.

Josh Barnett 19:31 It's a bigger lens and-

Joe Rogan 19:33 But chicks, that's fucking bullshit. Like, they need a-

Josh Barnett 19:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:36 They need a good selfie one.

Josh Barnett 19:36 (laughs) They need it all reversed the other way.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 19:38 They need, like, multiple lenses.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 19:40 You can choose which one you need.

Joe Rogan 19:42 They're like, "I know what my friends look like. I see them. I wanna see myself." Bang. Selfie sticks. If there was dudes, only dudes on the planet, there'd be no selfie sticks. That shit would've never been invented.

Josh Barnett 19:53 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 19:54 No!

Josh Barnett 19:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:55 If we found... If it was only men and we- we found a guy with a selfie stick, that would be the guy we fucked.

Josh Barnett 20:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:00 Like, "Hold him down. Hold him down with a selfie stick."

Josh Barnett 20:02 Like, "What is this?"

Joe Rogan 20:03 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 20:03 "Is this... Did you get injured? Is this a walking stick?"

Joe Rogan 20:06 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 20:06 "Is this a- a portable baton in case you get attacked?"

Joe Rogan 20:08 "Are you using that to take photos inside of a bear cave?"

Josh Barnett 20:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:12 "'Cause you're go- about to go in, you wanna make sure where, you know, where the grizzly is?"

Josh Barnett 20:15 "Are you, uh, you know, putting that thing around corners to see where that rabbit is so you can get it?"

Joe Rogan 20:18 Yeah. "Is that what you're doing? 'Cause if not, I got a problem with this." (laughs)

Josh Barnett 20:23 (laughs) "Well, my arms are short."

Joe Rogan 20:24 Fucking dudes with selfie sticks. That is a dark thing. There's something about it, like, holding it up. "Hey." (makes camera shutter sounds)

Josh Barnett 20:31 (laughs) Yeah. "I'm in front of, uh, the, the Palazzo-"

Joe Rogan 20:35 Blah, blah, blah. Why does it- why does it even bother me?

Josh Barnett 20:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:37 It doesn't even make any sense. Like, why is it okay for me to take a selfie with a regular selfie lens-

Josh Barnett 20:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:41 ... but it's a problem if a dude has a selfie stick?

Josh Barnett 20:45 I don't know. It just seems a bit obnoxious.

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 20:48 Perhaps.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Well, yeah.

Josh Barnett 20:49 It seems that way.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 20:50 I can't say that I have a reason why it makes sense. May- You know, hey, maybe it's simply because-

Joe Rogan 20:55 Hmm.

Josh Barnett 20:55 ... we- we view it as something that- that... Or, we see women do it more, and so we- we, uh, think that a man is somehow doing something womanly?

Joe Rogan 21:03 Well, it's like-

Josh Barnett 21:04 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 21:04 ... if a man gets fillers in his face.

Josh Barnett 21:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:07 You ever see, like, an older dude who gets fillers in his face? You're like, "Bro, I'm gonna pull him aside. Come here."

Josh Barnett 21:12 I'm sure I have, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:13 You wanna go, "No, just don't. You're gonna be wrinkled. This is just it. You're 65 years old, you gotta let it go. Let it go."

Josh Barnett 21:21 (laughs) It's letting go on its own anyways.

Joe Rogan 21:23 Yeah. But some g- some gals can kinda pull it off and you feel bad for them, but they still look kinda pretty, so you let it go.

Josh Barnett 21:29 I'm a little... You know, personally, myself, I'm not really all that into the... Especially manipulating the face like that.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 21:36 For anyone, I just think that it's- it's... One, the- the potential for it to go really badly is there.

Joe Rogan 21:42 Really bad.

Josh Barnett 21:42 And two, it just... I think that people... Um, you don't have to look perfect to be a- a beautiful person.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Yeah. Yeah, your persona... I mean, like, your personality is at least as important as the way you look. And if your personality is such that you need to shoot plastic into your face in order to feel good about yourself, you know, I've gotta go, "Oh, like, what- what's happening there be- below the surface?"

Josh Barnett 22:09 It could be a indicator of something more serious that- that... No matter how much filler, how nice it could look, maybe there- there's still gonna be an issue, per se.

Joe Rogan 22:18 It's also, we have... It's also one of those things, just like anorexia or bodybuilders that can never get big enough-

Josh Barnett 22:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:23 ... where they have body dysmorphia, people don't know what they really look like. Do you, do you know about the Fibonacci sequence?

Josh Barnett 22:29 Uh, the numbers, right?

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 22:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:31 It's- it's, uh, the golden ratio.

Josh Barnett 22:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:33 And it actually applies to facial features. See if you can find something on that. Fi-

Josh Barnett 22:37 And now, there was a BBC documentary on that, right? And at the time, I was about-

Joe Rogan 22:40 Was there one on-

Josh Barnett 22:41 And there was something about symmetry.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 22:42 Uh, and Elizabeth Hurley, when they made that thing, was considered, like, one of the most beautiful women in the world by the sym- by the mathematics of it all.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Yeah. She's still one of the most beautiful women on Earth.

Josh Barnett 22:51 I don't doubt it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:53 That chick's like 88 years old, she's still hot as fuck.

Josh Barnett 22:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:56 She's rocking it. Um, but, uh, there's something about the way your face is shaped. Um, you're- you're... Like, a good example is my friend Ari Shaffir.

Josh Barnett 23:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Ari has a thin face and a long nose, and it all works together. Like, if he had my nose on his face, it would be like, "Hey, the fuck's wrong with your face?"

Josh Barnett 23:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:19 (laughs) But the ratios of the width of his face and the length of his nose and the size of his eyes, all of that stuff somehow or another syncs up.

Josh Barnett 23:27 So, you're saying it's not the any one thing, it's the sum of your parts?

Joe Rogan 23:29 Yes. It's all those things go together. And if one of them is off, like, say, if your... Here it is, golden ratio on the face.

Josh Barnett 23:36 Ah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 So, if you are, uh, a Black woman and you have white lips, like a white woman's lips, people are like, "What the fuck is going on with her lips?"

Josh Barnett 23:45 How does she even whistle?

Joe Rogan 23:46 Right. She's got a- a large nose or a wide nose and, you know.

Josh Barnett 23:50 That's why I grow this facial hair, to hide my- my lips.

Joe Rogan 23:52 To hide your li-... Skinny little skinny lips?

Josh Barnett 23:54 My fucking pointless lips.

Joe Rogan 23:55 You got Viking lips, bro.

Josh Barnett 23:56 (laughs) I have been told, though, I've- this is... Uh, I've had some girls go, "Man, you're- you're actually a way better kisser than I expected 'cause you have almost... It seems like you have no lips." I'm like, "Uh-huh, uh-huh, good, bad."

Joe Rogan 24:06 Do you know that's exactly what someone told Kylie Jenner and that's why she got facial stuff shot in her f-

Josh Barnett 24:11 What? Really?

Joe Rogan 24:11 Yeah, I was reading that today. This is what kind of a loser I am, 50-year-old man with children.

Josh Barnett 24:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:17 I fucking pay taxes. I got a lot of shit to do. Meanwhile, I'm reading some article about why Kylie Jenner decided to take all the filler out of her face. It was a fucking article on my, uh, Google feed and I was like, "What is this?" It's like-

Josh Barnett 24:27 Well, they know- they know what you're into.

Joe Rogan 24:29 I guess they do. I don't know how the fuck they know.

Josh Barnett 24:31 They've got you pegged. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:32 These sons of bitches. How do they know?

Josh Barnett 24:35 They- they know the inner workings of Joe Rogan. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:37 Well, filler is a fairly recent thing in human history. I mean, how long has that been around for?

Josh Barnett 24:41 I'm not all that familiar with it. I mean, I don't proclaim to be much of a-

Joe Rogan 24:44 I don't even know what's in it. What is filler?... well, it's... Okay, let's facial filler. Google that.

Josh Barnett 24:49 Uh-

Joe Rogan 24:49 What's in facial filler?

Josh Barnett 24:51 Sand, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:52 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 24:52 ... JB Weld, Bondo.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Gorilla cum.

Josh Barnett 24:55 Yeah, probably, depending on what ... how high a grade it is or ... And there's the freshness levels-

Joe Rogan 25:00 What does it feel like?

Josh Barnett 25:01 ... of, like, the gorilla cum too?

Joe Rogan 25:02 What does it feel like if they touch your face and you got some shit in there that makes your cheeks pop? Some girls look like they got rocked, like, their cheeks look ... Injectable fillers for the face. Oh, Jesus. Uh, hyaluronic-

Josh Barnett 25:14 Hyaluronic?

Joe Rogan 25:14 Hyaluronic acid.

Josh Barnett 25:15 But now see-

Joe Rogan 25:15 Hyaluronic acid.

Josh Barnett 25:15 ... collagen and hyaluronic acid are both going to get absorbed into your system eventually.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Yeah. And I think that's the, the good part about it, is that it's temporary and then if you just let your body ... Raising scar depressions, enhancing lips and replacing soft tissue volume loss through facial injections.

Josh Barnett 25:32 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Huh. Enhancing lips, huh? Hmm.

Josh Barnett 25:36 (snapping sound)

Joe Rogan 25:36 Get it done. But that's why it looks weird with girls when they have big fake lips, because of the golden ratio. Your face doesn't ... It just doesn't work. Like, go back to that article on, uh, the golden ratio of the face please. And you'll, you'll see, like, they have a ... There's a whole mathematical sort of algorithm that they can use to short- ... sort of, uh, explain what is and is n- not normal, the, the shape of your face.

Josh Barnett 26:03 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Like, look at, um ... What the fuck's her name? Angelina Jolie. Do you remember that song? Uh, there wa- ... There was a fucking song that someone ... (laughs) There was a, a song ... Goddammit, this is, like, 2002. Some, like ... It was a song, was Angelina Jolie got some big ass titties. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 26:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:24 That was the name of the song.

Josh Barnett 26:25 Was that a big hit?

Joe Rogan 26:26 It was a hilarious song.

Josh Barnett 26:27 Was that ... Was that, uh, was that top 40? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 Amt- ... Amongst me and my stupid fucking friends it was.

Josh Barnett 26:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:32 It w- ... It was a ... It was a funny song. Like, the dude who sang it-

Josh Barnett 26:35 Is that, is that funny sober as well, or is it only-

Joe Rogan 26:38 Uh, that's a good question (laughs) and you'd have to ask somebody else.

Josh Barnett 26:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:43 Those were the years th- from th- th- from 2000 ... When I was doing Fear Factor ... Is that it? (hip-hop music playing)

Josh Barnett 26:51 (laughs) Stating the obvious, is that the name of this song?

Joe Rogan 27:00 Yes. It's got some big ass ti- ... It's ... This is so stupid. From 2002 to somewhere around 2007, I think I was high every day.

Josh Barnett 27:10 It's all a blur.

Joe Rogan 27:11 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 27:11 It's just a ... It's just like driving through a-

Joe Rogan 27:13 While I was doing Fear Factor, man.

Josh Barnett 27:13 ... through a coastal fog.

Joe Rogan 27:14 I would... I was so bored when I was doing Fear Factor. The only way I enjoyed it was I was getting high as fuck.

Josh Barnett 27:19 What? You weren't ... You weren't enjoying all eating pig anuses and people screaming about having a centipede on their head?

Joe Rogan 27:24 Uh ... After a while it got bored. It got boring.

Josh Barnett 27:26 You get desensitized to it.

Joe Rogan 27:28 It just didn't mean anything.

Josh Barnett 27:28 Like, I just can't watch general porn anymore, right? It's like, if there's not a robot-

Joe Rogan 27:33 Right.

Josh Barnett 27:33 ... uh, in there, you know, having sex with a tiger while a midget films it.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Clearly that stuff does happen, right? Like, there's a reason why people like gag porn-

Josh Barnett 27:43 Isn't it rule 34 if there's not a porn of it that, uh ... It, it, it ... If there's ... If you can think of it, there's a porn out there, and 35 is if it doesn't exist it shall be made?

Joe Rogan 27:53 Yeah. That makes sense.

Josh Barnett 27:55 It's a 4Chan thing. Not that I'm on 4Chan all the time, but-

Joe Rogan 27:57 Oh. Well, someone's got a ... An alt account.

Josh Barnett 28:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:00 (laughs) There's something about, like, people getting desensitized that's fucking absolutely real. And that's one of the reasons why, like, in times of war people are capable of doing more and more a- awful shit. It's like, you get desensitized. You get normalized. Like, people are very malleable. You get accustomed to all sorts of things.

Josh Barnett 28:19 Yes. And it ... It d- ... Some of those things don't necessarily stay forever. They're, they're subjective, you know, for that, that time and that moment. And plus, there is everything that's going around you. And, and if, if we're all in here and, and we're ... Say we're drinking coffee and we think that this is the way to be. And, and then other ... E- everyone else o- out and around us are like, "Well, they're all drinking energy drinks. Well, energy drinks are actually the best thing to ... Uh, well, now there's this other thing that you see that ... and perhaps ..." And then that bleeds into, "What? Oh, no. Let's do energy drinks instead."

Joe Rogan 28:46 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 28:46 And if you go from that to, you know, "Let's drink, uh, grain alcohol." Well, maybe not.

Joe Rogan 28:51 Mm-hmm. Well, could be.

Josh Barnett 28:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah. I mean, sure. People just-

Josh Barnett 28:53 But I'm just-

Joe Rogan 28:54 ... imitate their atmosphere.

Josh Barnett 28:55 So ... And, and if someone else is, you know ... God, in war, you know, if, if they take one of your, your, your teammates and then cut 'em to pieces and send 'em back to you, then all of a sudden-

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 29:07 ... yeah, you're gonna do the same-

Joe Rogan 29:08 Oh, 100%.

Josh Barnett 29:08 ... or, or then some, you know? Reprisal.

Joe Rogan 29:10 Yeah. Yeah. There's ... I used to know a dude who, uh ... He was a Mormon. And Mormons aren't allowed to drink coffee.

Josh Barnett 29:18 Well, I thought you were gonna go somewhere else with it.

Joe Rogan 29:19 No.

Josh Barnett 29:19 I knew a dude, he was a Mormon, he used to cut people to pieces and send them to me.

Joe Rogan 29:21 No. He didn't do any of that.

Josh Barnett 29:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:22 I don't think.

Josh Barnett 29:23 Well, I mean, Mormons. Th- they're just so friendly.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 29:26 There, there's something gotta be going on underneath.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Something's ... There's a trigger that-

Josh Barnett 29:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:31 ... you gotta find it. (laughs) But it's a ...

Josh Barnett 29:32 Puts a, puts a hole in their ... They get a hole in their magic underwear and they're just ... That's it.

Joe Rogan 29:36 (clicks tongue)

Josh Barnett 29:36 Burn the fucking place down.

Joe Rogan 29:37 I offered him a cup of coffee and he's like, "No, uh, I, I can't drink coffee." And he had a fucking ... One of those huge Monster Energy drinks.

Josh Barnett 29:44 Seriously?

Joe Rogan 29:45 Yeah. He was drinking them all day long, to the point where he was having, like, heart problems.

Josh Barnett 29:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 (laughs) He's getting fucking heart palpitations. He was drinking ... Oh, no. It wasn't, wasn't Monsters, it was Rockstars. I wonder which one has more caffeine. Find out which one ha- ... I, I think Rockstar-

Josh Barnett 30:01 I think Rockstar has more caffeine.

Joe Rogan 30:02 ... has more caffeine than a Monster.

Josh Barnett 30:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Monster is doable. Like, I've, I've drank ... Uh, I'll drink a sugar-free Monster during UFC broadcasts sometimes.

Josh Barnett 30:09 Mm-hmm. I drink those during the, uh, the new Japan shows. They're four hours.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 30:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:12 But the problem is, you gotta piss.

Josh Barnett 30:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:14 It's ... Whatever's in there goes right through your system.

Josh Barnett 30:17 You gotta come right out.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Right? S-

Josh Barnett 30:17 And that, that caffeine ain't helping.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Goldberg used to drink those fucking things like they were water and he was always peeing. Both Monster and Rockstar have the same amount of caffeine per serving, which is eight- ... 80 milligrams per eight ounces. Yeah. But what ... 80's not that much.

Josh Barnett 30:31 I- ... If you look at, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:33 Wow. That's crazy. That's low.

Josh Barnett 30:34 ... Monster list as being 240-

Joe Rogan 30:36 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 30:36 ... at ... Or, or something around there-

Joe Rogan 30:38 For the whole-

Josh Barnett 30:38 ... at the whole can.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 30:39 And Monster list as being 130.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Dude, this is 270.

Josh Barnett 30:43 W- whoa.

Joe Rogan 30:44 G- ... Yeah. These little bad boys are 270.

Josh Barnett 30:45 Goddammit, Tate. You're trying to get-

Joe Rogan 30:47 Yeah, it's ... (laughs)

Josh Barnett 30:47 You're trying to make me jump out of this chair?

Joe Rogan 30:50 Tate's trying ... Tate's trying to give people heart attacks.

Josh Barnett 30:55 Shout out to-

Joe Rogan 30:55 They're good though.

Josh Barnett 30:55 ... Tate Fletcher.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Shout out to Tate Fletcher and Caveman Coffee. (sniffs) Yeah, um, there's a, uh, uh, we have... People are weird with trends, right?

Josh Barnett 31:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Like, whatever the fuck happened to acid wash jeans? I was thinking that the other day.

Josh Barnett 31:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:07 Like, people used to love acid wash jeans. Remember, they'd walk around with jeans with all sprockets-

Josh Barnett 31:11 Full on.

Joe Rogan 31:12 ... all over them?

Josh Barnett 31:12 Full on. I, uh... I think they're-

Joe Rogan 31:12 That was a thing.

Josh Barnett 31:12 ... kinda making a bit of a comeback.

Joe Rogan 31:14 Are they?

Josh Barnett 31:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Like fanny packs?

Josh Barnett 31:16 Yep. In, in and of the same. You were ahead of the curve.

Joe Rogan 31:18 I'm way ahead of the curve. I never left.

Josh Barnett 31:20 You're basically a l- late '80s pro wrestler.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Yeah, right?

Josh Barnett 31:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 Like Hulk Hogan.

Josh Barnett 31:25 Like Hulk Hogan?

Joe Rogan 31:27 This is-

Josh Barnett 31:27 Like, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Right here, ladies and gentlemen. This bitch never left my side.

Josh Barnett 31:31 All leather.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Never left my side. This is real.

Josh Barnett 31:33 It was made from a big horn sheep that you, uh, you tracked down and shot-

Joe Rogan 31:37 I wish.

Josh Barnett 31:37 ... with an, with an arrow.

Joe Rogan 31:38 I wish. I should get one made. I've got these axis deer hides out there. I should get one turned into a fanny pack. That'd be dope as fuck.

Josh Barnett 31:43 Leave the fur on it.

Joe Rogan 31:44 Fuck yeah, right? Yeah.

Josh Barnett 31:47 Hope you don't get any ticks.

Joe Rogan 31:48 No, there's no ticks on those.

Josh Barnett 31:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:50 I don't think they have ticks in Hawaii. (sniffs)

Josh Barnett 31:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:52 Maybe they do. I don't know. But-

Josh Barnett 31:54 But, uh, it's weird, you know, but that's the thing about paradigms is you don't really realize it's, uh, you know, when the paradigm is, is over until you're out of it.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Right.

Josh Barnett 32:02 And so you... We're in a paradigm now of some sort and, and it's easy to get lost in that and not be able to see outside it.

Joe Rogan 32:09 What do you think is happening now that will be ridiculed in the future?

Josh Barnett 32:13 Um, tough. I mean, I didn't think that in a lot of ways we would end up to where we are at this point in, in so many of the social and cultural elements. And that didn't even just specifically (laughs) stay within the US but seemed to be bleeding throughout all of Western society at, uh, and civilization at- at large. Um-

Joe Rogan 32:34 I got one word. Yeezys.

Josh Barnett 32:37 Yeezys? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:38 Yeezys will be mocked.

Josh Barnett 32:41 Wait, that's his, that's his shoe, right?

Joe Rogan 32:43 (laughs) That's just for Jamie. He loves those fucking things. He bought me a pair. I won't wear them. I told him next time I, I go running in the creeks, I'm gonna wear them. Jamie loves these goddamn things.

Josh Barnett 32:55 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 32:56 He still hasn't tried them on.

Josh Barnett 32:56 I'm not the hippest, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:58 He's gonna be amazed. Still hasn't tried them on.

Josh Barnett 32:59 Put 'em on.

Joe Rogan 32:59 They still got the foam thing in there, bro.

Josh Barnett 33:00 Yeah, put 'em on.

Joe Rogan 33:01 Nope.

Josh Barnett 33:02 Yeezys?

Joe Rogan 33:02 Look at that. Come on, that looks like a sneaker from the '80s, right?

Josh Barnett 33:07 I wouldn't even say that.

Joe Rogan 33:09 What would you say?

Josh Barnett 33:09 Uh... This-

Joe Rogan 33:11 By the way, you're talking to a real man here.

Josh Barnett 33:12 That's fine. Okay. It's fine.

Joe Rogan 33:13 You understand this? You understand this? (laughs)

Josh Barnett 33:15 Is that just like the bottom of a, of a fucking- He likes them.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Yeah, see.

Josh Barnett 33:19 He's liking them. Of a, of a- He's liking them.

Joe Rogan 33:20 He's a real man.

Josh Barnett 33:20 He's liking them. Of one of those Yeezys.

Joe Rogan 33:21 It's the styrofoam, styrofoam Coleman Coolers.

Josh Barnett 33:24 It's close. It's close.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Yeah, yeah, that's the, that's the bottom part. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 33:27 That's the Ultra Boost.

Joe Rogan 33:29 (laughs) What the Ultra Boost?

Josh Barnett 33:29 What is this?

Joe Rogan 33:30 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 33:30 This is like a, a glorified fucking water sock. This is like the thing you see some, some doofus with, uh, those, uh, frog skin things on his glasses to keep 'em from falling off- Oh, those. ... always wandering around in the, you know, "I don't wanna get too wet."

Joe Rogan 33:45 So you wouldn't wear those?

Josh Barnett 33:46 No.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Hmm. Weird, Jamie.

Josh Barnett 33:49 Here's what I wear.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Weird how manly men agree with me.

Josh Barnett 33:51 I wear these.

Joe Rogan 33:52 That's right, motherfucker.

Josh Barnett 33:54 I wear Converse.

Joe Rogan 33:54 Chucks.

Josh Barnett 33:54 I wear Chuck Taylors.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Chucks.

Josh Barnett 33:55 Custom Chucks.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Fuck yeah.

Josh Barnett 33:57 With, uh, my, my logo on the side.

Joe Rogan 33:59 Woo!

Josh Barnett 33:59 As drawn by Dan Panozian.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Look at that.

Josh Barnett 34:01 Uh, skulls and shit like this.

Joe Rogan 34:03 Look at this goddamn dirty, stinky Chucks.

Josh Barnett 34:05 I wear black metal T-shirts.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Fuck yeah. Look at that. See the Chucks? Goddamn classics, Jamie. Not this. What is this? The fuck's going on here? (laughs)

Josh Barnett 34:14 It's comfort.

Joe Rogan 34:15 I bet they're comfortable as fuck.

Josh Barnett 34:16 Shh. Yeah, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:17 They feel soft.

Josh Barnett 34:18 They're like, they're like Crocs.

Joe Rogan 34:18 While I'm wearing them-

Josh Barnett 34:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:19 ... I'm like, "Damn, I should probably put these on when no one's looking." (laughs)

Josh Barnett 34:22 God damn. This is like being... Like you're just wearing Angelina Jolie's titties, right?

Joe Rogan 34:27 Yeah, she had some big ass soles. Yeah, they look comfortable. Suck my bitch.

Josh Barnett 34:34 I could see JP in some-

Joe Rogan 34:35 Fillers for your feet. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 34:35 ... in some Yeezys.

Joe Rogan 34:36 What's that?

Josh Barnett 34:37 I could see JP in some Yeezys.

Joe Rogan 34:38 JP?

Josh Barnett 34:39 Yeah, Jordan Peterson.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Jordan Peterson in some Yeezys?

Josh Barnett 34:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 In some Yeezys?

Josh Barnett 34:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Oh, yeah. I could see him wearing some atrocious sandals-

Josh Barnett 34:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:44 ... when no one's looking.

Josh Barnett 34:46 Like, "What are you wearing, man?" Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 34:48 It's go... You'd have to talk to him. Do, do, do, do, do, get, get, take those off.

Josh Barnett 34:51 With, uh, with like some wool socks on.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 34:53 Underneath them.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh Barnett 34:54 Some Tevas.

Joe Rogan 34:55 You're allow- Jamie and I were talking about this the other day. You're allowed to wear socks with slides.

Josh Barnett 35:00 Uh, w-

Joe Rogan 35:01 You know, slides.

Josh Barnett 35:02 Slides. Like, just-

Joe Rogan 35:02 They're like... So they have f-

Josh Barnett 35:02 So there's no, there's no-

Joe Rogan 35:03 Right, there's no toe thing.

Josh Barnett 35:04 Uh-huh. You're allowed... W- w- what?

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 35:06 Who says?

Joe Rogan 35:07 US... Guys wear them all the time.

Josh Barnett 35:08 Did you... Fuck that noise. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:11 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 35:12 What the fuck is that about?

Joe Rogan 35:15 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 35:15 (laughs) I don't know. It's a thing.

Joe Rogan 35:16 No, you can't wear them with flip-flops.

Josh Barnett 35:17 No, it's not allowed. No, it's not allowed.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Guys wear them all the time.

Josh Barnett 35:20 No, keep your socks outta your sandals.

Joe Rogan 35:21 We were just, uh, in Vegas and there was some basketball thing going on there.

Josh Barnett 35:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:25 There was a bunch of basketball players.

Josh Barnett 35:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:27 Half of them-

Josh Barnett 35:28 They're, they're-

Joe Rogan 35:29 ... half of them had slides with socks.

Josh Barnett 35:30 Um, okay, okay. Here's the deal with that though. And, and it, it's... I can at least say as an athlete that maybe they've got their slides on because they're gonna take those slides off and put their basketball shoes right on. So for them-

Joe Rogan 35:40 Probably.

Josh Barnett 35:40 ... it's like, "I'm-"

Joe Rogan 35:41 Chilling.

Josh Barnett 35:42 "I'm, I'm out of uniform at the moment."

Joe Rogan 35:44 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 35:44 "I'm... But I'm ready to go to combat basketball wise at any moment." I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 35:49 But in general, as far as a fashion trend, fuck that noise.

Joe Rogan 35:52 But it's a trend-

Josh Barnett 35:52 That looks ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 35:53 ... amongst, uh, like rappers. I see rappers wearing those things with socks.

Josh Barnett 35:57 It just looks like you, you just... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:00 Like you're giving up.

Josh Barnett 36:01 Yeah, kind of.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 36:02 M- might just wear sweatpants all day too.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Like you're a dude with a wife beater with your gut hanging out the bottom of it and you're just fucking kicking back.

Josh Barnett 36:08 Fuck it, I don't even- I can't even bend over and tie my shoes.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Josh Barnett 36:12 I can't even clasp the Velcro on my Yeezys.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Yeah. Yeah. They don't have Velcro, do they?

Josh Barnett 36:18 No. They, they, well, you know. What? I guess, I guess you don't need a real shoe if you throw on... You walk out with your socks on, you throw on your sliders and get-

Joe Rogan 36:25 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 36:25 ... on your hoverboard or fucking the, what? Your electric scooter and you...

Joe Rogan 36:31 Would you ever drive a Tesla?

Josh Barnett 36:33 Uh, I would drive a Tesla. Uh, but you know, here's... I got... One of my beefs, not with Teslas per se in any way, but I would say talking about cars with somebody, uh, out and about. And they'll... We'll have some conversation and, uh, I'll bring up some car or we're talking about something like, uh, the Dodge, uh... No, it wasn't the Demon. When the Hellcat came out and so like, "Oh yeah, those, those Hellcats. I've heard amazing things about how not only is it obviously incredibly powerful and fast, but that they're, they're massively comfortable. You could... It's a GT car. You could grand tour it all over the US and be comfy the whole time and, and it-"

Joe Rogan 37:09 Smooth riding car.

Josh Barnett 37:10 Yeah. And they're like, "Oh, but, you know, what about the Tesla?" I'm like, "Um-"... that's another $40,000 to $50,000 more. "Oh, it's almost ... It ... I, I heard it's as fast, if not faster." I go, "If I'm paying over a hundred fucking thousand dollars for a car, it better be fast. It better have all this shit." Like, w- and, and I would talk about, you know, certain other ... And, and a lot of times, it's like, "My Firebird doesn't cost that much, dude. I don't care if that Tesla wins. You just spent $150,000 on a car."

Joe Rogan 37:38 Okay. But what if cost wasn't an option? What if you were Elon Musk?

Josh Barnett 37:41 If I'm Elon Musk, I'm ... Well, God, I don't think he can not drive a Tesla. If he's out there-

Joe Rogan 37:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 37:46 ... and a, and a goddamn three-inch exhaust-

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah, it's a bad example.

Josh Barnett 37:48 ... 470, you know, big block Pontiac-

Joe Rogan 37:51 I know.

Josh Barnett 37:51 ... people are like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 37:53 Yeah. He probably can't drive anything but Teslas.

Josh Barnett 37:55 Right. And-

Joe Rogan 37:55 Oh, what a trap.

Josh Barnett 37:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:57 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 37:58 For real.

Joe Rogan 37:58 That's not good. Like, if a guy owns Porsche-

Josh Barnett 37:58 But for me, no, I would, I would rather, I would rather drive, um, a car ... I, I don't feel like electric cars have souls.

Joe Rogan 38:05 Soles.

Josh Barnett 38:06 They don't have any. There's, like, nothing ... It doesn't ... (singing)

Joe Rogan 38:09 I know what you mean.

Josh Barnett 38:09 Like, beep, beep, boop, boop, boop, bop, and then the little printer (imitating printer noise) comes out. And I, I ... it just doesn't do it for me.

Joe Rogan 38:15 Well, they're really cool, but at the end of the day, w- there's a problem. The problem is it feels good to hear the rumble of an engine, just (imitating engine revving) . I mean, and to fucking put that clutch in and pop that gear. What is that? Elon's two gas cars he owns are v- more quality- Oh.

Josh Barnett 38:33 Oh, a Jag?

Joe Rogan 38:33 A Jag.

Josh Barnett 38:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 38:34 That's an old school Jag. That's a bad-ass car.

Josh Barnett 38:36 Yeah, '60s Jag. That's a bad-ass Jag.

Joe Rogan 38:38 And what about that hard top?

Josh Barnett 38:39 It's probably a V12, actually.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Those are amazing. His first love. Wow! Oh, it's a Roadster. Okay, so that top pops off. Wow! That's a, that's a shape, man. Look at that thing.

Josh Barnett 38:51 Yeah, that's incredible.

Joe Rogan 38:53 What year was that?

Josh Barnett 38:53 E-Type. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's ...

Joe Rogan 38:56 '60s. Something in the '60s?

Josh Barnett 38:58 '60s, '70s.

Joe Rogan 38:58 God, that's pretty.

Josh Barnett 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:00 '67?

Josh Barnett 39:01 That's a gorgeous car.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Oh, it's so pretty. Let me see that picture again. Scroll down. Oh. Look at that. Yeah, but there's something about the sound of combustion engines, just it's so magnetic. Like, Teslas are cool. They're silent. The, the, that whole-

Josh Barnett 39:17 I'm sure they're incredibly comfortable.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Oh, yeah.

Josh Barnett 39:19 Um ...

Joe Rogan 39:19 And that pad, the, the big-ass iPad-

Josh Barnett 39:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:22 ... that you have where your navigation screen is, I mean, is the shit. While you're driving in that thing and you just ask it to play songs and it pulls them up on Spotify.

Josh Barnett 39:31 I'm also a little weirded out by the over electronic element of modern life. I, I realize the usefulness of it, but I always think about, you know, when some shit goes south, like, I can't just fix it-

Joe Rogan 39:45 Right.

Josh Barnett 39:45 ... and we keep going. Or, if something goes bad, it could go bad in a lot of different ways and there's a chain of command of bad that it, that it's all linked to that it could go to as well. And so, I'm just like, "Uh, it just doesn't..." And plus, when you talk about engines, all right, you, you start up your Porsche.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Right.

Josh Barnett 40:01 You start up a 'Vette. You start up an LS motor, and then you start it up next to a big block Pontiac. You start it up next to a big block Ford, and everything has a different feel, a different-

Joe Rogan 40:11 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 40:11 A different cam that's in it makes it sound different. Makes it operate different. The exhaust that's on it. Everything changes based on all kinds of different elements. And so, the, the car, even of itself, not just the exterior of it, but the internals make it seem like a different vehicle.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah, for sure. Like, have you ever been around a Ferrari?

Josh Barnett 40:29 Uh, not a ton, no. But I know they have-

Joe Rogan 40:33 They got the sound, like (imitating engine revving) .

Josh Barnett 40:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:36 They got their own (imitating engine revving) .

Josh Barnett 40:39 Aston Martin is famous for having its ... a very specific exhaust note.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Yeah. There's sounds that they have, it's like a celebration.

Josh Barnett 40:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:46 It's like, better not drive it too far 'cause it's probably gonna break.

Josh Barnett 40:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:50 But-

Josh Barnett 40:50 But for (laughs) but for the next 12 minutes, this is fantastic.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Oh, they n-

Josh Barnett 40:55 Nothing like it.

Joe Rogan 40:56 The way they sound. Like, I used to love Top Gear with Jeremy Clarkson.

Josh Barnett 41:00 Oh, it was a great show.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Jeremy Clarkson, he's the best. Whoever he punched, he said sorry.

Josh Barnett 41:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 "Let's do the show again."

Josh Barnett 41:06 Get over it. Get over it.

Joe Rogan 41:06 "What the fuck is wrong with you, BBC?"

Josh Barnett 41:08 Move along. Who can't take a punch nowadays?

Joe Rogan 41:09 Assholes. Yeah.

Josh Barnett 41:09 A punch, a slap.

Joe Rogan 41:10 That's ... It's what you were talking about earlier. People are pussified. They're pussified and they're, they're playing tough. They're doing a goddamn car show with a bunch of men drinking booze.

Josh Barnett 41:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:19 You guys got in a fight and you got hit.

Josh Barnett 41:22 Whoa. Wait.

Joe Rogan 41:22 Okay. Take a little settlement.

Josh Barnett 41:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:24 Move on. Give the man some paper.

Josh Barnett 41:25 Take an apology or, or even just say, "Hey, let me hit you one back."

Joe Rogan 41:28 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 41:28 Fine.

Joe Rogan 41:28 I wish I was there.

Josh Barnett 41:29 Get your own.

Joe Rogan 41:29 I would've said, "Jeremy, how much money you got? What you got in the bank? You got 50, 60, 70 million dollars?"

Josh Barnett 41:34 Well, there's also the-

Joe Rogan 41:35 Give the man one. Give the man a million.

Josh Barnett 41:36 ... the man a million. People wanting to sort of live at parents' house for the rest of their life, except then it goes from being mom and dad to then being a state of some sort that does all your work for you 'cause you don't wanna have to take the responsibility of either winning or of losing that confrontation maybe.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Well, I think he just got punched.

Josh Barnett 41:51 Well-

Joe Rogan 41:52 I think Jeremy was a drunk asshole (laughs) .

Josh Barnett 41:54 Maybe so, but if, if-

Joe Rogan 41:55 I don't know if it's a matter they're gonna let him be.

Josh Barnett 41:56 Even if it's on Jeremy, he could just go to him like, "All right, dude, I'm gonna ... I get one on you."

Joe Rogan 42:00 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 42:00 And it's, and it's even. We're done.

Joe Rogan 42:02 Right.

Josh Barnett 42:02 I move on with my life.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Right. But what if the guy can fucking crack? What if the guy hits like Paul Dale?

Josh Barnett 42:06 You shouldn't ... You maybe ... You shouldn't have fucking hit him then, huh?

Joe Rogan 42:08 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 42:08 You shouldn't have fucking hit him!

Joe Rogan 42:09 Shouldn't have hit him, period.

Josh Barnett 42:10 Yeah. At all.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Yeah. Well, that's the realm of people that don't practice martial arts. Like, how many people get drunk and get in fistfights that actually know how to fight? It's pretty small. A certain-

Josh Barnett 42:21 According to the internet, it's real small (laughs) , when you watch those fucking stupid Street Fight videos.

Joe Rogan 42:25 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 42:26 I ...

Joe Rogan 42:26 It's always people that don't have any idea what they're doing. You know, they, they think ... It's ... I'm always amazed at people's, uh, overestimation of what they can do with their body, especially in pert- when it pertain to animals, like what you would do if an animal was coming at you or ...

Josh Barnett 42:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:41 Like, you know what my favorite thing to watch is? One of my favorite things over the last couple weeks? I, I gotta stop. I watch fucking Running With The Bulls.

Josh Barnett 42:48 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 42:49 When is that? Is that in the spring?

Josh Barnett 42:50 That's actually this week, I think. I have a bunch of friends over there that are gonna do that.

Joe Rogan 42:53 Oh, no! Call them. Call them. Tell them you love them. Tell them-

Josh Barnett 42:56 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Tell them to get the fuck out of there. (laughs) Don't do it.

Josh Barnett 42:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:59 Don't do it.

Josh Barnett 43:01 "Hey, let's, let's, uh, hey, let's get this two-ton animal, fucking run-"

Joe Rogan 43:04 I just don't think people understand, A, how strong those things are, and B, how shitty their body works. People have this idea, "They come at me, bro, I'm gonna fucking just ... Get outta the way." And then, what are you-

Josh Barnett 43:14 "I'll just sidestep it."

Joe Rogan 43:15 Yeah. Meanwhile, you're on these slick, beer-soaked ... What is this, Jamie? Going on right now.

Josh Barnett 43:20 Oh, this is the end of it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:21 This is right now? Yeah, it's the 6th or the 14th. (sighs) It's happening right now. I can't believe it. I've been watching videos. I didn't know it was actually live. This is-

Josh Barnett 43:30 Well, this is-

Joe Rogan 43:30 This is-

Josh Barnett 43:30 ... this is on Instagram. This isn't live.

Joe Rogan 43:31 This is so fucking insane. This is so insane. People are so insane.

Josh Barnett 43:36 And what if it gets a bead on you and then all of a sudden they go, "Nope, you're the only one out of this entire crowd of 500 people right now that it wants to gore."

Joe Rogan 43:43 Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, if it finds one that sits still, it's gonna ta- take its frustrations out. And the crazy thing is how... Look how many people are there watching this. They're watching these fools running around in the middle of this bullfighting thing.

Josh Barnett 43:55 They wanna see someone get (laughs) fucked up by a bull.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Have you ever watched a bullfight?

Josh Barnett 43:59 Uh, I have not. I have seen plenty of, uh, you know, clips, footage of it, what have you, but I've never watched a bullfight.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Yeah, I'm not interested.

Josh Barnett 44:06 Didn't- doesn't really do anything for me.

Joe Rogan 44:07 No.

Josh Barnett 44:07 I mean, I- I can... Up until the point of- of- of s- killing it, like I... Okay, you wanna go out there and dodge a bull? Uh, seems like a bad idea, but all right. But then, you know... All right, you've already proven that you can maneuver yourself out of the way. No need to spear it and kill it.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Y- It also seems to me that-

Josh Barnett 44:26 I know it's tradition.

Joe Rogan 44:27 (coughs)

Josh Barnett 44:27 I know it comes from a different era. I know-

Joe Rogan 44:29 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 44:29 I understand that, and so I'm not gonna sit here and- and just, like, go railroading bullfighting necessarily.

Joe Rogan 44:34 The Inquisition is tradition too.

Josh Barnett 44:36 Well, that-

Joe Rogan 44:36 I mean, there's a lot of things that are tradition.

Josh Barnett 44:37 Pretty successful.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 44:38 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:39 There's a lot of horrific traditions. It just seems to me to be a, um, a- a bastardization of our relationship with animals. Like, e- e- even... I don't think there's anything wrong with domesticated animals.

Josh Barnett 44:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:52 But obviously, factory farming is this disgusting abomination.

Josh Barnett 44:56 It's nasty. Why, why do it, I mean...

Joe Rogan 44:57 Right, right.

Josh Barnett 44:57 And there is no... I- it's possible to have animals that are able to live a more natural-

Joe Rogan 45:03 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 45:03 ... way of life than it is to- to jam them into a cage and force feed them until it's-

Joe Rogan 45:08 I don't know if it's possible to do it the way we've been doing it, though.

Josh Barnett 45:10 Well, we-

Joe Rogan 45:11 The- the real problem is the way we expect to be able to just go to Jack in the Box and get a burger.

Josh Barnett 45:15 Well, we eat too much meat.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 45:17 Uh, uh, in general, I think that your average person doesn't need to eat nearly as much fucking varieties of meat as they do. They need to... They definitely need meat in their diet, I believe, uh, uh, on average.

Joe Rogan 45:29 Do you know... You know about the carnivore diet?

Josh Barnett 45:31 Now, see, here's the thing. I've been, uh... I- I heard you talking to-

Joe Rogan 45:36 Jordan Peterson.

Josh Barnett 45:36 You've talked a lot about it, and then Jordan Peterson and his- his daughter, uh, as well.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Well, I talked about it with, uh, Chris Bell first-

Josh Barnett 45:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:42 ... who's been on it for... (sniffs) I think he's been on it for at least six months or so, and he's having radical improvements. And one of the reasons that he's having improvements and then Jordan's having, um, uh, tremendous results, and, uh, Jordan's daughter as well, is arthritis.

Josh Barnett 45:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:00 They all have arthritis.

Josh Barnett 46:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:01 Like, Chris Bell has two-

Josh Barnett 46:03 Smelly.

Joe Rogan 46:03 ... artificial hips.

Josh Barnett 46:04 Oh, I don't doubt it.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 46:05 He tried to be that-

Joe Rogan 46:06 Mark is smelly.

Josh Barnett 46:07 Oh, Mark is smelly. Chris is, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:08 Mark's the big one. Chris is Boer. Chris "Boer" Bell.

Josh Barnett 46:11 Boer. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Yeah, um, and Chris is the one who, uh, produced Bigger Stronger Faster and Prescription Stubs.

Josh Barnett 46:15 I met Chris. I've met... I've actually never met Mark-

Joe Rogan 46:18 They're great guys.

Josh Barnett 46:19 ... in person, but yeah-

Joe Rogan 46:19 They're both-

Josh Barnett 46:19 ... Chris is a fantastic. Always got his backward baseball cap on.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Yeah, they're both-

Josh Barnett 46:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:23 ... fantastic guys and really, really smart. And just... Chris has st- suffered from serious debilitating arthritis and pain in his joints his whole life. Having a carnivore diet knocked it out for him.

Josh Barnett 46:36 And- and that's-

Joe Rogan 46:36 It's the only thing.

Josh Barnett 46:37 ... uh, I was familiar with the ketogenic diet and all that kind of stuff and, and having a higher... It works for me as well, to be honest, to eat that way. My- my problem is my love affair with fucking breads. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 46:49 They're just-

Joe Rogan 46:50 It's a problem.

Josh Barnett 46:50 You're out there getting a coffee made in the morning. You're like-

Joe Rogan 46:52 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 46:52 ... "Goddamn, that looks like an amazing croissant right now."

Joe Rogan 46:54 Ooh, chocolate?

Josh Barnett 46:54 You know how it looks even better? In my face?

Joe Rogan 46:56 Do you like a chocolate croissant?

Josh Barnett 46:57 I do like c- chocolate croissants.

Joe Rogan 46:59 I do.

Josh Barnett 46:59 You know what I don't-

Joe Rogan 46:59 You know who's got the best ones?

Josh Barnett 47:00 Hmm?

Joe Rogan 47:01 Coffee Bean. Those Starbucks ones can suck my dick.

Josh Barnett 47:04 You know what?

Joe Rogan 47:04 I don't care. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 47:04 I don't eat croissants... I don't eat... I'm- I'm a Seattle guy, but I don't eat Starbucks croissants.

Joe Rogan 47:08 You don't?

Josh Barnett 47:09 No.

Joe Rogan 47:09 They're terrible. They used to be okay. They used to be pretty good. You know, when they went south and they started putting them in plastic bags? They give them to you-

Josh Barnett 47:15 Ooh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 ... and they're already sealed up in a plastic bag. Bleh.

Josh Barnett 47:18 Mm-mm. No.

Joe Rogan 47:19 That's the only thing.

Josh Barnett 47:19 See, the ones at Coffee Bean have way more chocolate in them. They're thick. If you're gonna go deep, go deep. That's what I say.

Joe Rogan 47:25 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 47:25 I go to the- the off, you know, the non-chain coffee shops-

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yes.

Josh Barnett 47:29 ... that- that will, like... Uh, coffee- coffee and food and coffee commissary, it's the-

Joe Rogan 47:33 There's a place down the street here, a Russian bakery.

Josh Barnett 47:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:35 They have these chocolate croissants that'll knock your dick right into the dirt.

Josh Barnett 47:39 (laughs) Fucking bet.

Joe Rogan 47:39 Woo! They're thick, rich and delicious.

Josh Barnett 47:43 Yeah, I'll do whatever-

Joe Rogan 47:44 That's why I travel for them.

Josh Barnett 47:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:46 They've got good coffee too.

Josh Barnett 47:46 But if I- if I stick to eating in a- in a more ketogenic way, it's... I feel better.

Joe Rogan 47:53 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 47:53 My joints hurt less. Uh, I lose fat easier, but I- I still can- can put on muscle mass. It's... It is a better way for me to eat. And I don't know if there is something about our genetic makeups. Say, me, you, JP, we probably have some crossover similarity there.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Yeah, I don't think so-

Josh Barnett 48:10 I don't know if there's anything to do with that. I- I just know that it's been useful to me. And I've seen it be... You know, that's the way you eat. I've seen... I've heard Jordan talk about his daughter and how useful it's been for her and- and as you may have mentioned-

Joe Rogan 48:23 She's another one with... I mean, she's had her ankle replaced, her hip replaced.

Josh Barnett 48:26 She has an autoimmune thing, right?

Joe Rogan 48:27 Yeah. (coughs) As does he. It's the same- it's the same exact issue, and an autoimmune issue is also what this radical arthritis is. I mean-

Josh Barnett 48:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:35 ... there's so many people who have these issues. And these are isolated incidences, you know, uh, isolated issues that people have. But, you know, I know people that thrive off vegetarian diets, they have no problem with it.

Josh Barnett 48:46 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:47 I think vegetarian is the way to go for a lot of people that are thinking about being vegan. Don't be scared of eggs, folks. Just get eggs.

Josh Barnett 48:53 Eggs are good for you.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Eggs are great for you, just every... All this fucking PETA propaganda where they call them chicken periods. Look, if you don't wanna kill animals, I get it. I get it. I totally... I love animals. Get free-range eggs. You can get them at the fucking farmer's market and they have a dark orange yolk and they're fucking great for you.

Josh Barnett 49:11 They're amazing.

Joe Rogan 49:11 And the chickens don't even notice they're gone. They don't give a fuck.

Josh Barnett 49:14 No, chickens are gonna have eggs no matter what.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Yeah, they're so-

Josh Barnett 49:16 They just lay them. Unless there's a rooster there to, uh-

Joe Rogan 49:19 Exactly.

Josh Barnett 49:19 ... to fertilize it. They're just gonna fucking lay eggs.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Yeah, it's just free food. It's like a gift that they give you-

Josh Barnett 49:26 You own chickens.

Joe Rogan 49:26 ... for taking care of them.

Josh Barnett 49:27 I used to own chickens.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Yes.It's, it's fuckin', I had six eggs this morning for breakfast.

Josh Barnett 49:30 They're incredible. They're great. They're thicker and heavier and, uh- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:33 It's actually good for you.

Josh Barnett 49:35 And, uh, of all things, one of chickens, one of their favorite little snacks, you know, something that they just absolutely love? Eggs.

Joe Rogan 49:42 Yeah, they'll fuck up an egg.

Josh Barnett 49:43 Chickens love scrambled eggs.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Yeah. You know what they really love? They love shells. They love to fuck up eggshells.

Josh Barnett 49:48 Oyster shells, yeah, and egg shells. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:50 (chicks) You know what they love more than that? Mice.

Josh Barnett 49:53 Mice, lizards.

Joe Rogan 49:54 They'll fuck their mouths up.

Josh Barnett 49:54 They're vicious little fuckers, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Ooh. But you know what they don't fuck with? Squirrels.

Josh Barnett 49:58 Hmm. Well, they're a little big.

Joe Rogan 49:59 Yeah, but they just don't even try. Like, a squirrel's like a rat, you know? It's basically a rat.

Josh Barnett 50:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Everybody loves squirrels, even chickens.

Josh Barnett 50:07 (laughs) It's that bushy tail.

Joe Rogan 50:08 It's crazy, that bushy tail is all you needed, that cute haircut and they're like-

Josh Barnett 50:11 Just a, just a little snap and a wink and ah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 50:14 Yeah. Well, I had, uh, I had four chickens and one time, uh, there was a little miniature Chihuahua or a little Chihuahua or a little mini Dachshund maybe, or a mini min, it was a min pin, and it got into the yard and ended up in the backyard and the four chickens cornered it.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Ooh.

Josh Barnett 50:33 And wouldn't let it leave.

Joe Rogan 50:35 (gasps)

Josh Barnett 50:35 And so it's back there whining and yelping and eventually, uh, my ex at the time went and got the dog and then tried to figure out how, who's it was and what have you. And it turned out it was chipped, I think, and it, it got given somewhere where they, someone could then track him down. But it was just hilarious that these chickens were like, "Fuck you, motherfucker, you're in the wrong place."

Joe Rogan 50:53 You know who else loves squirrels? My dog.

Josh Barnett 50:56 (laughs) That's a different animal altogether.

Joe Rogan 51:00 That's right.

Josh Barnett 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Marshall.

Josh Barnett 51:02 They hardly ever catch him though.

Joe Rogan 51:03 No. He got that one.

Josh Barnett 51:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:05 It was like this sweet golden retriever, this kind dog who loves everybody. Yeah, he likes fucking up squirrels too. Well, the problem is the squirrels go into the chicken coop.

Josh Barnett 51:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:15 They'll find a way into the chicken coop and they steal all the chicken's food.

Josh Barnett 51:17 Good.

Joe Rogan 51:17 And Marshall just decided to wait outside the chicken coop because he knew where the hole was and just sitting there.

Josh Barnett 51:23 Boom.

Joe Rogan 51:23 And boom, snatched that motherfucker off.

Josh Barnett 51:25 And then he's just with the biggest shit eating grin on his face.

Joe Rogan 51:28 Yeah. Mrs. Rogan does not like the squirrels. She doesn't like the squirrels getting into the chicken food. I, to me, I feel like we just buy more chicken food. The poor little squirrels-

Josh Barnett 51:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:35 ... out there hustling. It's a hard life being a squirrel.

Josh Barnett 51:38 It is. Just trying to get out of the nut.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Ducking coyotes, you know, just trying to get by.

Josh Barnett 51:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Trying to live your life.

Josh Barnett 51:43 They're out there, all this peer pressure from all these other squirrels.

Joe Rogan 51:46 And they find this-

Josh Barnett 51:46 They start smoking young.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yeah, they find this sweet spot where all these fucking nuts and, and all this grain is. Like, "This is amazing."

Josh Barnett 51:53 Yeah, there's issues with squirrel gang activity.

Joe Rogan 51:55 You know when they fucked up though?

Josh Barnett 51:56 What's that?

Joe Rogan 51:56 They started stealing eggs.

Josh Barnett 51:58 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 51:58 They, they steal eggs. These cunts were trying to roll eggs out of the chicken coop.

Josh Barnett 52:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:02 That's when she got mad. Yeah, I, I, I had no idea that squirrels ate eggs. Then we started finding videos online. Jamie pulled up a bunch of videos of squirrels rolling chicken eggs out of a chicken coop.

Josh Barnett 52:12 I've never heard of that either.

Joe Rogan 52:13 Yeah, they do that.

Josh Barnett 52:14 I thought, huh?

Joe Rogan 52:15 The motherfuckers, we, they have, we have egg boxes. They're elevated egg boxes. Okay, the egg boxes are like two and a half, three feet off the ground.

Josh Barnett 52:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:21 The squirrels got up into the egg box, got the egg, chucked it out of the egg box, it lands on the ground, they're getting it and they're rolling the egg.

Josh Barnett 52:28 Oh, they're clever little fuckers.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Sneaky.

Josh Barnett 52:31 And they're cute, so they're like, "I can get away with anything."

Joe Rogan 52:33 They do get away with more.

Josh Barnett 52:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Like rats must be like, "What in the fuck, man? This is bullshit."

Josh Barnett 52:37 "We're smart as shit. We, you know, we can, we're-"

Joe Rogan 52:40 Way smarter.

Josh Barnett 52:40 Yeah. And yet people keep fucking with us, just stab us left and right.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yeah, there's no industry for s- squirrel killing, like-

Josh Barnett 52:47 No, not really. Maybe in the Deep South and that's not an industry.

Joe Rogan 52:50 There's a lot of guys out there that get their mortgages paid by killing rats. Like, they're driving around in a nice car from killing rats all day. (laughs)

Josh Barnett 52:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:58 There's no one and nobody cared. Nobody feels bad. Like, "Oh, I'm an exterminator." We're all racists when it comes to certain animals and bugs. Right? People collect butterflies. Nobody, stomp roaches. Everybody stomps roaches and swats mosquitoes.

Josh Barnett 53:11 Yeah. Well, I, fuck mosquitoes. Those things, they, they will give you, uh-

Joe Rogan 53:15 Everything.

Josh Barnett 53:15 ... you know, all kinds of diseases and shit.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Dengue fever.

Josh Barnett 53:18 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Malaria.

Josh Barnett 53:19 The only, the only, uh, the only part of a mosquito's life I enjoy or think is interesting is when they're larva and they're these fucking vicious little things with these giant hook teeth that will, can even eat little fish and all that kind of stuff in the ponds.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Dude, when I first moved to California, I rented this house in Encino and nobody lived in it-

Josh Barnett 53:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:36 ... for like a year and a half, two years, something like that. And, uh, they had a pool in the backyard that was just sitting there with no chemicals in it.

Josh Barnett 53:44 Turned green.

Joe Rogan 53:44 (gasps)

Josh Barnett 53:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:45 It wasn't just green. There was schools of mosquito larva swimming around like fish. I went out into the yard, I was like, "What the fuck is that?" And the guy was like, "Oh, we'll take care of that." I go, "What is that?"

Josh Barnett 53:56 (laughs) How do you take care of that? Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:57 And he goes, he goes, "Oh, you poison the shit out of that water."

Josh Barnett 53:59 You just pour bleach into it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Well, the first thing you do is you bleach it, then you gotta drain it. You gotta, you gotta take all-

Josh Barnett 54:05 You scoop all that shit out.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Yeah, you gotta drain all that water out. They had to bring, like, a machine and then they had to clean all the fucking, the bottom of the pool, it was all green and funky. But the crazy thing is, they were moving through the water, like, you know how you see those, those big flocks of birds-

Josh Barnett 54:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:22 ... and they all move together?

Josh Barnett 54:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:23 They were doing that in the water. There was fucking thousands of them. It was crazy.

Josh Barnett 54:28 Good thing they didn't grow legs.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Oh, it would have been a real problem.

Josh Barnett 54:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:31 It would have been a real problem if they got out and started flying around. I would have got fucked up.

Josh Barnett 54:34 There's a, a meme out there, uh, and it's, I think it's a, um, it's a picture, um, and it's repeated in, in, on the bottom as well of a PETA billboard. And it's got, uh, you know, uh, these animals all sitting, standing in a line and it says, "Where do you draw the line between, you know-"

Joe Rogan 54:52 Right.

Josh Barnett 54:52 "... food and friend or whatever." And then someone else has, and then they've got the, the same thing down there and it's like, uh, you know, "This is normal food. This, uh, catastrophic event, apocalypse." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:04 (laughs) I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that.

Josh Barnett 55:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Well, you know, being a vegetarian or a vegan is a very, it's a very first world option. It's the reason why people-

Josh Barnett 55:12 It is.

Joe Rogan 55:13 ... got to this point, is because we figured out a way to survive eating all the animals around us, just like they figured out a way to survive eating the animals around them.

Josh Barnett 55:22 Well, and even the argument that, "Oh, well, this culture is mostly vegetarian or ve- or this or that." And it's like, okay, well, it's also highly developed, uh, based on what was available.

Joe Rogan 55:31 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 55:31 Like, they didn't just say-I don't wanna hurt the animals.

Joe Rogan 55:34 Well, the only people that did it was the Hindu.

Josh Barnett 55:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Hindus are fascinating, you know. And there's a lot of speculation as to why-

Josh Barnett 55:40 Historically, a pretty developed-

Joe Rogan 55:41 ... what caused that.

Josh Barnett 55:41 ... civilization-

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 55:42 ... at, at certain points in time, in comparison to the rest of the world.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Oh, yeah. I mean, you go back and read the Bhagavad Gita, I mean, they had some really complex philosophy and, uh, really interesting thoughts about the universe. But a lot of people believe that that was due to psychedelic drugs. And one of the-

Josh Barnett 55:58 Could be.

Joe Rogan 55:59 ... yeah, but one of the, one of the reasons why they believe they had this interesting relationship with cattle, but not with lamb, was because cattle shit would grow magic mushrooms on it.

Josh Barnett 56:08 Huh.

Joe Rogan 56:09 This is because soma is a big part of, uh, ancient Hindu folklore and their religion and their ancient texts, they talk about soma. And soma was some sort of a psychedelic mixture, and they don't know exactly what it was. But they know that Hindus, um, (clears throat) the, um ... Like, a lot of the ancient, uh, Hindu texts, they deal with some sacraments. And they know that they were into hash, and like a lot of the yogis and sadhus, they're into chillums. They smokes chillums of hash.

Josh Barnett 56:42 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:42 So they knew they were into hash, but they think that their aversion to eating cows may have had something to do with the fact that these cows would shit, and then the mushrooms would grow out of the cow shit-

Josh Barnett 56:54 Sure. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:54 ... and then they would eat these mushrooms-

Josh Barnett 56:56 So are they-

Joe Rogan 56:56 ... and have these profound experiences.

Josh Barnett 56:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:57 And so that these ... They thought of these cows as this conduits to God.

Josh Barnett 57:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:02 (coughs) But then there's ... You know, also they probably drank the milk.

Josh Barnett 57:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:05 You know, they probably used them to plow the fields to grow their food. So it's, it's real ... It's interesting because when a, when a culture has an aversion to eating a s- very specific animal, and that specific animal also is the main source of psychedelic mushrooms, to, to ignore that connection seems a little bit weird.

Josh Barnett 57:23 No, I don't think it's arbitrary. I think it's, it's, it's something that would be worth investigating.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 57:28 Right? I mean, why not? And i- in worst case scenario, you come down to you have to figure out it's something else, but-

Joe Rogan 57:34 Well, just ... I ... Look at Shiva, like, right? You see a picture of Shiva, the m- the, the Shiva has-

Josh Barnett 57:39 Six arms.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Six arms, and Shiva's standing on, like, a little ... It looks like a baby. (sniffs) And I always ... I, uh, I, uh, have a giant bronze Shiva in my house.

Josh Barnett 57:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:48 And when I bought it, the lady said, uh, "This, uh, Shiva is standing on ignorance. This is what it's supposed to be." I go, "I thought ignorance would be way bigger than that."

Josh Barnett 57:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:58 (laughs) But I felt like-

Josh Barnett 57:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:59 ... i- ignorance would be like a dragon that Shiva was, like, fighting, was much larger than him. But when you ... That f- that thing that Shiva's doing, that's what happens when you trip your balls off, okay? If you trip balls and you were start moving your arms around-

Josh Barnett 58:13 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 58:13 ... I would think, "Josh Barnett's got six arms."

Josh Barnett 58:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 "This is crazy." That, I mean, there's so much of ancient Hindu artwork that is, uh-

Josh Barnett 58:22 I thought they were just fanning a bad fart all the time.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Could be that. Could be that.

Josh Barnett 58:25 It's like, "Jesus."

Joe Rogan 58:26 That's what ... All that fire around it?

Josh Barnett 58:27 Whoo.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Maybe that's what it is. They're lighting matches.

Josh Barnett 58:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:30 But the, like, ancient Hindu art, there's, there's this, uh, iconography, this, like these iconic imagery, th- this iconic imagery that you see when you do psychedelics. You see a lot of this stuff, particularly on mushrooms for some reason.

Josh Barnett 58:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:44 You'll see, like, ancient Hindu and, and sometimes ancient Egyptian shit too.

Josh Barnett 58:49 Well, I know, y- you know, you can see, you'll see, um, geometric shapes-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 58:54 ... appear out of ... And, you know, to me, I'm just like, "Well, that's just what you see when you're poisoned." But it's a great ... It's an interesting-

Joe Rogan 59:00 (laughs)

Josh Barnett 59:00 ... way of looking at it.

Joe Rogan 59:01 But it's not poison.

Josh Barnett 59:02 Well-

Joe Rogan 59:02 That's the thing about it.

Josh Barnett 59:03 It's, it's, uh, the way it's affecting the, the way-

Joe Rogan 59:06 Your visual processing.

Josh Barnett 59:06 ... v- your processing it.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah, perturbance of your visual cortex. Yeah, but it's not poison. That's the, the crazy thing. It's like the LD50 of mushrooms-

Josh Barnett 59:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:14 ... is almost impossible to eat yourself to death.

Josh Barnett 59:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Like, you'd have to eat your own body weight. Like, you, you would get way too stuffed-

Josh Barnett 59:20 Put them inside those fucking croissants, those chocolate croissants.

Joe Rogan 59:25 Oh. Now you're talking.

Josh Barnett 59:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:26 That might be the move.

Josh Barnett 59:27 Soma.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Kill somebody with mushrooms.

Josh Barnett 59:28 The ... That's a, a term that has continued to, to go throughout, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeah, it's like a sleeping pill now, right?

Josh Barnett 59:34 Well, yeah. And then it was also a major element within Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

Joe Rogan 59:38 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 59:38 Which, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:39 Well, I think that was based on that.

Josh Barnett 59:41 Uh, probably so. I'm firmly, uh, of a belief that what we're living in is not a Orwellian, uh, potential dystop- dystopic future. We're living in a, in a Huxley version because Huxley and Orwell s- well, saw it from two different ways. And, and Orwell was more of the there would be force and violence and, and direct suppression of individuals and groups. And, uh, uh, retrain ... Now there is thought policing and, and, you know, even though they call them equity, diversity, whatever, departments, I mean, there are people that are there to, you know ... They have these cabals that, that try to force everybody to be in line. But it's, you know, they're not necessarily gassing folks or beating on them or what have you or shock therapy. However, Huxley's version of how this would all go badly was that everybody would be so comfortable, that there would be so much luxury and pleasure and that you would just not fight back.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 1:00:42 Yeah, anything that they would, uh, try to i- impart upon you, the, the way they would get you to do it is just make your life even softer and even easier.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Yeah, Huxley was right in that regard. And also all ... There's so little danger in the world-

Josh Barnett 1:00:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 ... and so little real drama that we look for drama.

Josh Barnett 1:00:59 Of course.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 We look for it all over the place.

Josh Barnett 1:01:01 We've, we've made the world-

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 I mean, that's absolutely what's going on.

Josh Barnett 1:01:03 ... most of the world very, very safe, especially for, at least for us in Western, the first world nations.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 There's something that Dave Rubin tweeted today. See if you could find this. Um, it's the real reason that the mayor of Durham-

Josh Barnett 1:01:15 What is it, something about Star Wars? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 I don't think so.

Josh Barnett 1:01:16 No? Is that-

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 The major of Durham, uh, app- apparently, uh, said something about Jordan Peterson, that Jordan Peterson is not welcome in Durham, North Carolina.... because of his transphobic and racist views.

Josh Barnett 1:01:31 What?

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Yeah, what does he... Let's see. K- I can't read that, man. Can you make that a little larger?

Josh Barnett 1:01:35 What a fucking misrepresented person Jordan Peterson has become.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 (sighs) Well-

Josh Barnett 1:01:40 Just, just b-... It's gotta be blatant.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 It's very strange. "We believe that Durham is a place for all of us, Black, white, Asian, Latinx..." Oh, I like how he went Latinx-

Josh Barnett 1:01:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 ... instead of Latino because-

Josh Barnett 1:01:50 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 ... if you say Latinx, it's like Latina, Latino. You get it? See?

Josh Barnett 1:01:53 Like, all the, all the Latinos. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 I'm, I'm not taking any chances. "Indigenous and mixed race, trans and cis..." Cis isn't a real word. You're getting crazy, Mayor. "Gay and lesbian, queer and straight." See, this is the thing. What is queer?

Josh Barnett 1:02:05 Queer doesn't cover all of it anymore. It, it, it's not-

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 What is queer?

Josh Barnett 1:02:08 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 I'm always confused by that. Look, I'm down for you to be whatever.

Josh Barnett 1:02:11 It, it's kind of a very open, vague term. I mean, and maybe there is a... And a... Maybe there's some sort of accepted standard for what, what de- defines queer versus gay-

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 What about a-ble?

Josh Barnett 1:02:20 ... and lesbian.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 What about, uh, asexual? Is that all right?

Josh Barnett 1:02:23 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 How come he didn't put that in? Asexual people, you should march-

Josh Barnett 1:02:26 Oh, oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 ... in Durham.

Josh Barnett 1:02:27 Now, now, now they're fucked.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Attack.

Josh Barnett 1:02:28 Yeah, the asexual, uh, activist lobby is coming for

Narrator 1:02:31 Julia Johnson.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 "Those who seek to exclude or deny the humanity of others will find no comfort here."

Josh Barnett 1:02:35 That's an interesting-

Narrator 1:02:36 Julia Johnson.

Josh Barnett 1:02:36 That's always an interesting, uh, statement that people like to make, "deny the humanity." Like, who said that you... Who's denying your humanity? Even, even assholes, right? I mean, even someone that's just, just a prick. It's like they can't... You're, you just-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 They-

Josh Barnett 1:02:47 ... heard it and responded to it. You're living the life that you wanna live. How can they deny your humanity?

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Well, look at this. "We wish to emphasize that a person's right to free speech does not include the right to a platform or an audience." Well, here's the thing. You-

Josh Barnett 1:03:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 You can't deny that people are listening to him and enjoy his work. But if you're gonna make these broad statements, you have to have some sort of evidence to back up what you're saying. I know Jordan Peterson, and he's definitely not a racist.

Josh Barnett 1:03:16 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 He's definitely not transphobic-

Josh Barnett 1:03:18 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 ... or homophobic-

Josh Barnett 1:03:19 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 ... or any of those things. He was against compelled speech.

Josh Barnett 1:03:22 Yes, a state-compelled speech.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 State-compelled speech, meaning that there was a bunch of different words that they were forcing people to use. They were these new gender pronouns, and they were compelling.

Josh Barnett 1:03:34 Which, right. Correct.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 And they have human rights councils in Canada. And he is... I mean, he's a, I mean, he's a clinical psychologist, and he's very well-read, and he understands, like, Marxism and all the pitfalls.

Josh Barnett 1:03:46 Postmodernism-

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 1:03:47 ... and neo-Marxism and it's its evolution from classical Marxism and how it's been influenced, the, the difference between emphasizing the superstructure-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 1:03:54 ... over the base. Yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 This is just virtue signaling-

Josh Barnett 1:03:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 ... at its worst form.

Josh Barnett 1:03:58 I am, uh, uh, very, very familiar with JP's work. I, he actually sent me a copy of his book through Twitter.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Oh, that's amazing.

Josh Barnett 1:04:05 Uh, which was fantastic. But the way I came across Jordan Peterson was that as a big, uh, fan of Nietzsche and his philosophical writings. So I'd go on YouTube to see if I could find lectures on Nietzsche. And in his Maps of Meaning lectures, this is before any of the, like, uh, uh, the issues with Bill C-16, really. I didn't know about any of that. I was just listening to Jordan Peterson lectures because of him referencing and talking about Nietzsche.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Mm-hmm.

Josh Barnett 1:04:29 So, and then from Nietzsche to, you know, Dostoevsky and all this. And he w- then started to talk a lot about, um, Marxism and communism and postmodernism in, in reference to each other in other ways, and then, then the C-16 stuff, and then I was living with a Marxist for a while, so I started-

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Were you really?

Josh Barnett 1:04:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Oh, Jesus.

Josh Barnett 1:04:47 Yeah, it was not fun. So but, uh, uh, at the same time, I had to try to understand what... The arguments that were being made and why, and so I'm gonna go research them.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Yeah.

Josh Barnett 1:04:57 So if someone says, "Oh, uh, the wage gap, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And I'm like, "Okay, well, I guess I need to look up the research on what that is." And then you, you come back and you go, "Oh, well, that's actually not an apples for apples comparison, and it's not 70 cents on the dollar." And then you just go into it, and then they just look at you, and they go, "No." It's like, "Well, I, I read... What's your source?" "Well, this thing." "I read that source. It doesn't talk about education level, job for job, hours worked." Like, it does, it doesn't... I mean, no one's saying that, that things couldn't be better. It's just different.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 Yeah, people who haven't heard this argument before, when you hear about the wage gap, the gender wage gap, it's not... It's not people doing the same job.

Josh Barnett 1:05:37 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 That's what's-

Josh Barnett 1:05:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 This is, this is the best way to say it.

Josh Barnett 1:05:39 There's a lot of-

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 It's not people doing the same job, and it's not people working the same hours. The reason why men make more money is they do different jobs.

Josh Barnett 1:05:44 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Now, are those jobs more difficult for women to get is the real question.

Josh Barnett 1:05:47 Some of them-

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Some of them, I'm sure.

Josh Barnett 1:05:48 ... I imagine they are. Um, perhaps. I mean, I never doubt that there is a potential sexism or-

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 For sure.

Josh Barnett 1:05:54 ... any sort of -ism to some degree in some things, but-

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 There's sexism coming from both sides of the tracks, too-

Josh Barnett 1:05:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 ... by the way. There's sexism-

Josh Barnett 1:05:59 Well, and how many women wanna be working on, uh, a fucking oil rig-

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Right.

Josh Barnett 1:06:02 ... out in the middle of... Or doing, you know, pipelines up in, uh, frozen South Da- uh, North Dakota-

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Right.

Josh Barnett 1:06:07 ... or something. I mean, they- the- not the... And how many of them are physically capable of doing the work too?

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Right.

Josh Barnett 1:06:11 Which isn't a woman's fault at all.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 No.

Josh Barnett 1:06:13 And you can't... I wouldn't hold it against anybody. Or, and if they didn't, if they cho- did, did not want to choose to do that kind of employment, there's nothing wrong with that either.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 No.

Josh Barnett 1:06:22 You know, if a woman wanted to go off and make artisan soap, right?