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JRE MMA Show #37 with Mark DellaGrotte

Joe sits down with Mark DellaGrotte, former Muay Thai champion in Thailand and owner and operator of the Sityodtong USA Branch in Somerville, MA.

Joe RoganhostMark DellaGrotteguestJamie Vernonguest
Aug 2, 20182h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Inside Muay Thai, MMA Toughness, Injury Realities, And Fight Culture

  1. Joe Rogan and Mark DellaGrotte trade stories from decades in Muay Thai and MMA, covering technical nuances, training philosophies, and the harsh realities of fighting. They dissect body shots, leg and calf kicks, clinch work, and how different rule sets and scoring systems shape styles in Thailand, Holland, and the U.S. The conversation repeatedly returns to fighter safety: over-sparring, brain trauma, staph/MRSA, knees and backs, and how bad judging plus win bonuses can unfairly punish fighters. Interwoven throughout are vivid anecdotes about Thailand, Boston, famous fighters, organized crime figures, and the evolution of the UFC from near-bankruptcy to a multibillion-dollar business.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Body shots—especially liver shots—are fight-ending weapons with delayed effects.

Rogan and DellaGrotte break down Aldo’s liver KO and describe how even tough, durable fighters collapse seconds after impact, showing why body work and disguising combinations are so critical.

Understanding rule sets and scoring is crucial when fighting internationally.

Thai and Dutch judges reward different techniques (e.g., Thai scoring favors kicks and clinch/knees; Dutch scoring values punches and low kicks), so fighters who don’t adapt often lose decisions they think they’ve won.

Hard, ego-driven sparring shortens careers and wrecks fighters’ brains and bodies.

They recount Boston-era “meathead sparring” and camps where partners tried to knock each other out, contrasting that with smarter, defense-oriented training and noting how many veterans now carry permanent damage.

Modern leg and calf kicks, plus oblique kicks, are changing MMA meta-games.

From Benson Henderson’s calf kicks to Jon Jones’ oblique kicks, they explain how attacks to the lower leg and front knee are low-risk, hard to check, and can instantly compromise a fighter who hasn’t planned for them.

Back and neck health require active decompression and targeted strengthening.

With wrestling, clinching, and jiu-jitsu compressing the spine, tools like reverse hypers and inversion tables are highlighted as essential for both preventing and rehabbing chronic back injuries.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

A liver shot’s weird, man. It’s delayed—there’s that split second where you’re like, ‘I got this’… and then you just fold over.

Joe Rogan

To take away clinch work makes no sense to me. It’s half the art at that point.

Mark DellaGrotte

We were cavemen at the time… you’d go to a boxing gym as the new guy and it was on. That was extremely unintelligent, but that’s all we knew.

Mark DellaGrotte

Fighting should always be done at its best. You should always do what’s the right thing to do in the situation, not what the fans want if it’s wrong.

Joe Rogan

As much as I’m involved in this sport, it’s hard to watch sometimes—seeing these guys take the damage they do.

Mark DellaGrotte

Technical breakdowns of Muay Thai: liver shots, clinch, leg and calf kicksDifferences in Thai vs Dutch vs American scoring and rulesTraining culture then vs now: meathead sparring, toughness, and safetyInjuries and long-term damage: knees, backs, concussions, staph/MRSAStories from Thailand: camps, language, culture, elephants, and nightlifeHistorical MMA figures and events (Anderson Silva, Lee Murray, Pride/One/early UFC)Structural issues in MMA: judging, win bonuses, fighter pay and career longevity

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