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JRE MMA Show #37 with Mark DellaGrotte

Joe sits down with Mark DellaGrotte, former Muay Thai champion in Thailand and owner and operator of the Sityodtong USA Branch in Somerville, MA.

Joe RoganhostMark DellaGrotteguestJamie Vernonguest
Aug 3, 20182h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:25

    Behind-the-scenes broadcast banter & the Aldo–McGregor leak

    1. JR

      (humming) Five, four, three, two, one. Boom, and we're live, Mark DellaGrotte.

    2. MD

      What up?

    3. JR

      Most of the time, if you and I are talking on a microphone, it's when you're in the truck and I'm talking to you and you know, and like right before a big fight.

    4. MD

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      People don't realize, like, you're, you're the guy I talk to.

    6. MD

      Yeah, man. A lot of shit talking going on. (laughs)

    7. JR

      I do a lot of shit talking. A lot of things that we probably shouldn't say. (laughs)

    8. MD

      (laughs) Luckily, it doesn't make the broadcast, so that's good.

    9. JR

      Well, when that one got leaked when, uh, Aldo was about to fight Conor.

    10. MD

      Yeah, what was that?

    11. JR

      And I said, "He does not look good." I, I said, "He looks nervous as fuck."

    12. MD

      I remember that.

    13. JR

      I go, "His body looks flat."

    14. MD

      Soft and flat, yeah.

    15. JR

      Yeah, and then he got flatlined.

    16. MD

      Yeah, well-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. MD

      ... you were right. (laughs)

    19. JR

      I was right in that regard.

    20. MD

      That did make program, didn't it?

    21. JR

      Well, people... What happened was somebody recorded it. It was, uh, I was talking to you, I think.

    22. MD

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      And I was talking to Bruce.

    24. MD

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      And, um, it just, uh, somebody just decided to be a little twat and leaked that shit.

    26. MD

      Dude, I'm paranoid in that truck sometimes-

    27. JR

      You have to be now.

    28. MD

      ... I'm gonna push the wrong fucking button, and now I'm gonna be talking shit to you or Mair and-

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. MD

      ... something. (laughs)

  2. 1:25 – 3:53

    Aldo’s comeback, Jeremy Stephens, and why liver shots are so brutal

    1. JR

      It was honest. He did look like shit, but damn, he looked good last weekend.

    2. MD

      He looked unbelievable.

    3. JR

      Isn't that crazy?

    4. MD

      I'm happy for our man.

    5. JR

      I'm very happy for him.

    6. MD

      I love Jeremy Stevens. I love Jeremy Stevens, great guy. I mean, you know, we're, we're cool with everybody.

    7. JR

      Yeah, of course.

    8. MD

      You know, you work for the company, you gotta get to know everybody, you gotta be cool with everybody. But it was good to see Jose Aldo back on top, man. He needed that bad, dude.

    9. JR

      Well, when someone... Every... I'm, uh, always happy when someone liv- wins with a liver shot.

    10. MD

      Oh. (laughs)

    11. JR

      Because it's such a, uh, it's one of those weird punches. Like, you'll see someone, you'll see two guys, and they exchange good shots to the body, and they seem like they have no effect. You know, obviously they hurt, but they're (clicks tongue) they'll deal with it and keep fighting. And then every now and then, you see whap and then (groans) .

    12. MD

      Yeah, man.

    13. JR

      You see that liver shot where the legs go out and the body gives in. It's like, man, that is crazy that we have this one area that sometimes works.

    14. MD

      Yup.

    15. JR

      'Cause sometimes it doesn't work.

    16. MD

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      Right?

    18. MD

      That's right.

    19. JR

      A liver shot's weird.

    20. MD

      Man, and it's delayed. That's the funniest part about it.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. MD

      There's like a split second delay where you're like, "I got this." (groans)

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. MD

      And you just fold over. If you saw that too, like, there was a body shot that, that he threw. He threw like a rear, a right hand to the body and then the left liver shot. So I think it's kinda like, you know, you, you take the first punch and you're like, (grunts) and then you brace and you got it, and then you relax for a second, and that's when boing, boing, boing, boing, boing.

    25. JR

      I know.

    26. MD

      Your diaphragm and your liver starts vibrating.

    27. JR

      I wish it made sense.

    28. MD

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      Well, here it is right here. We can see it again.

    30. JV

      Weird video of it.

  3. 3:53 – 5:02

    Kickboxing vs. Muay Thai: clinch rules, K-1, and ‘not the real art’

    1. JR

      Especially kickboxing as opposed to Muay Thai. You can't even really clinch.

    2. MD

      Right, exactly. Especially with these new rules with some of them.

    3. JR

      Do you like that? Do you like-

    4. MD

      No.

    5. JR

      I don't either.

    6. MD

      I'm glad you asked. I don't like it.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. MD

      It's not the art, you know? I think everything that's going on, you know, with, you know, these new rules, K- even when K-1 first came out and all that.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. MD

      It's, it's kinda like what I consider like a, a takeoff of Muay Thai. It's not Muay Thai, but they call it Muay Thai.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. MD

      Right? And I mean, it's not Muay Thai, you know? It's not the real art.

    13. JR

      K-1 was like the Japanese said, "Not enough brain damage."

    14. MD

      Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      "Not enough. You need more brain damage."

    16. MD

      And I think they just sucked at the clinch, which-

    17. JR

      Oh.

    18. MD

      ... 'cause the Thais are so good at it-

    19. JR

      Right, right.

    20. MD

      ... and they wanted to give themself a chance to actually compete with, like, some of the best in the world.

    21. JR

      Hmm.

    22. MD

      So they said, "All right, let's limit their weapons. Let's..."

    23. JR

      Isn't that interesting? 'Cause wouldn't you think that they would just learn the clinch?

    24. MD

      Man, I, I wish they would, you know? That's one of the most intricate parts of Muay Thai. It's one of the... That's where all the gambling goes, that's where all the points come from. You can punch the shit out of somebody and you get nowhere, and then you start clinching and the knees start coming and the little turnovers and trips.

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. MD

      The Thais love that shit, man. That's the, that, that's the real art. There's so much grappling involved in Thai boxing that's overlooked.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. MD

      You know, and to, and to, to have rules that take away grappling, take away clinch work makes no sense to me. It's half the art at that point.

  4. 5:02 – 6:54

    How judging differs in Thailand vs Holland (and why foreigners lose decisions)

    1. JR

      It's also a really, uh, underappreciated thing in terms of like how they score it. Like, we don't, we don't score the same way.

    2. MD

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      Like if you're watching a Thai fight and if you were an American, you would be like-

    4. MD

      Same.

    5. JR

      ... "Oh, it's a bunch of hugging. Yeah, he got off a couple of knees, but the other guy hit him with some good right hands and a good jab. Uh-huh."

    6. MD

      So funny you say that.

    7. JR

      Not really.

    8. MD

      I just had, I just had-

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. MD

      ... this lesson with my students the other night. You know, doing a, let's talk about the rules, how to, how to win the judges, so to say, you know? And-

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. MD

      ... the Dutch rule's, uh, different than the Thai rules, and America's kind of fucked up and lost in between all of it, you know? Like the, the Dutch consider like a, a hand block, like a... If you block with your hands-

    13. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    14. MD

      ... like this, it's a block in Holland. The Thais, that's not a block, that's a point. Like you get the point, you know?

    15. JR

      Really?

    16. MD

      Yeah, man. It's different. You have to block with your legs in Thai box in order to, to show that you've blocked and nullified the attack, you know?

    17. JR

      Really?

    18. MD

      And the points, like, uh, the punches score big in Holland, low kicks score big, and they mean shit to the Thais. You could punch the shit out of somebody for a full round and then just get two clean body kicks off, and then all the Thais are like, "Oh, hey, hey. You got that." The gambling starts going. So a lot of these foreigners go to Thailand and they think they're doing well, and then they lose decisions and they wonder why. It's 'cause they don't understand the judging, they don't understand the rules.

    19. JR

      Wow.

    20. MD

      And vice versa. The Thais go to Holland and, you know, they, they, they think they're doing well, and the guys punching the shit out of them, and then they're kind of blocking partially, and then they lose decisions as well.... so it's very different between the, the judging and the scoring between Dutch kickboxing and, and real Muay Thai. Very different.

    21. JR

      Yeah, I remember when Ramon Dekker was fighting over in Thailand, and one of the things that he shocked a lot of those guys was with his, uh, uh, his hand techniques.

    22. MD

      Yep.

    23. JR

      And he was able to close the distance and just unleash a barrage of explosive knockout punches-

    24. MD

      Yep.

    25. JR

      ... and, and take guys out, where I think they've become more accustomed to that not happening.

    26. MD

      Very true, yeah.

    27. JR

      They also-

    28. MD

      Animal like that.

  5. 6:54 – 10:32

    First fights in Thailand: elbows, festival rules, and ‘no doctor here’

    1. JR

      ... become accustomed to not being assaulted in the first round.

    2. MD

      Very much so. I remember one of the fights I had early in my career in Thailand, I was so excited to be fighting at a, a big fair, a big festival, fighting this big name Thai, and I threw an elbow in the first round, you know. And I, because I had the opportunity to throw the elbow, I threw the elbow and, you know, I landed and the guy wiped his, you know, put his glove up to his head to see if he was bleeding. And he gave me that mean look and nodded, and it was game on from there. And I went back to the corner and my Thai trainers were yelling at me, like, "The fuck are you doing? You throw elbow." I was like, "Elbow's illegal, right?" He go, "Yeah, but not first round. Now he angry you." I was like, "What the fuck?" (laughs)

    3. JR

      "Now he angry you?"

    4. MD

      "Now he angry you." Thailgish, half Thai, half English.

    5. JR

      Is that bad?

    6. MD

      Dude, it was apparently. I was just excited to be fighting in Thailand using elbows 'cause a lot of times in the States, you know, we can't use them, and the rules are limited. And I was in Thailand, and it was a festival at night, and the fucking lights are on and the Thais are betting. And I was like, "Game on, let's go."

    7. JR

      That's-

    8. MD

      Trainers were mad at me-

    9. JR

      ... so weird.

    10. MD

      ... for throwing the elbow. And then there was other fights where I had where they were like, "Oh, be careful for elbow. This festival fight, no doctor here. Hospital far away." (laughs) And I was like, "Dude."

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. MD

      It's like, "You guys are fucking my head all up."

    13. JR

      "No doctor here."

    14. MD

      No doctor.

    15. JR

      "Hospital far away."

    16. MD

      I r- I remember my trainer saying that.

    17. JR

      Oh.

    18. MD

      He's like, "Be careful for elbow." I was like, "Thanks, fucking Tips. Like, I, I know watch out for elbows." He's like, "Yeah, but no doctor here. Not stadium. This festival."

    19. JR

      Oh.

    20. MD

      "Hospital long ￡eban, oh very far." (laughs)

    21. JR

      Dude, you got such a good Thai accent.

    22. MD

      Dude, my Thailgish is on point, bro. Don't even go there.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. MD

      Don't even go there. (laughs)

    25. JR

      It's so funny with the-

    26. MD

      Don't make me do a ladyboy.

    27. JR

      ... with, with a heavy Boston accent.

    28. MD

      (laughs) Dude, you ever hear, you ever hear Stitch Duran speak Thai? Stitch did some R & R in, uh, in the service, like in, uh, in Thailand. And man, like, you know, you say like, "Sawatdeekrub." That's like the proper ... He's like, "Man, Sawatdeekub." He like speaks like a Thai essay, dude.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. MD

      It's hilarious, dude. (laughs) Uh, it's the funniest thing, man.

  6. 10:32 – 14:26

    Boston temperament vs Thailand vibes (and Joe’s comedy roots)

    1. JR

      You missed Thailand.

    2. MD

      I missed Thailand. My very first trip, I remember leaving the airport and I was driving, and I had nothing but smiles for like a month and a half straight. And I was leaving Logan Airport in Boston, and some truck driver cut me off and stuck his head out the window. He's like, "Fuck you, man." Gave me the finger. I was like, "Dude, chill." Like-

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. MD

      He like wanted to get out and fight. And I was like, "Bro, I'll snap your neck, but I don't wanna fight nobody. Like, I'm Buddha now."

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. MD

      "Like, I like this vi- I like this vibe. I wanna go back to Thailand." Like, it was weird, man. It was definitely trippy though. But something brought me, something very deep, like, and spiritual brought me to Thailand, brought me to the kingdom.

    7. JR

      Th- that is the, the opposite way I feel about Boston. When I go back to Boston-

    8. MD

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      ... and I see hostility, I go ... I smile. I'm like, "Aha."

    10. MD

      Oh. (laughs)

    11. JR

      I remember this.

    12. MD

      Right?

    13. JR

      When people cut people off, "You fucking queer."

    14. MD

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      Like, "Oh yeah, come on."

    16. MD

      So ... (laughs)

    17. JR

      "This is where I grew up."

    18. MD

      It is often ... And there's something, there's something unique about Boston people though, man. I tell you, man, I've told this to people, like, you know, when you gotta get up at fucking 6:00 in the morning to shovel 17 inches of snow off your fucking frozen windshield-

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. MD

      ... to go to work and sit in traffic and beep and be angry at each other, like, just makes a different person, you know, makes you hot.

    21. JR

      Well, it definitely makes a different sense of humor-

    22. MD

      For sure.

    23. JR

      ... you know? Like, uh, there's a s- a certain connection that I have to those Northeast comedians.

    24. MD

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Guys like Bill Burr. Like, we ... Bill and I did a show Wednesday night, and it's like whenever I'm around a guy from Boston, it's like, it's so obvious. It's like there, there's a certain ... And there's also a certain respect for people's attention span.

    26. MD

      Very much so, yeah.

    27. JR

      'Cause one of the good things about starting out in Boston was like people didn't give a fuck. Like, they don't have any time for your dillydallying up there.

    28. MD

      Nope.

    29. JR

      You better come with the jokes, cuz.

    30. MD

      So true, man. First trip to, to LA ... Oh no, it was LA, San Francisco I think at the time when I was younger. Went into like some random sandwich shop. I was like, "I'm hungry." I was like, "Give me one of those joints right there." And the guy, like, was taking his time and I was like, "Bro, I'm in a fucking rush," and like ... And my buddy was like, "Dude, watch the F-bombs." (laughs) I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "Just watch the F-bombs." So the guy comes out with this sandwich and it was this little fucking peanut half sandwich.... like, what the fuck am I gonna do with that? And he's like, "Uh, I'm sorry, like, do you want-" I was like, "Where's the other half?" And he's like, "Uh, that, that, that's it, sir." And I was like, "Bro, I need another fucking sandwich." He's like, "Uh, I'm gonna have to charge you for it." And I was like, "Charge me, do whatever you gotta do, bro, I'm fucking hungry." And, like, literally everybody behind me in line just started dispersing and, like, left the store. And my buddy was like, "Bro, I can't take you anywhere around here."

  7. 14:26 – 16:28

    Bay Area fight history, Fairtex, and the tragic Alex Gong shooting

    1. JR

      A lot of good, uh, combat sports come out of San Francisco though.

    2. MD

      Absolutely, man. I-

    3. JR

      Think about, like, the, the history of, like, you got, uh, the Gracie, uh, Gracie-Baja contingent up there.

    4. MD

      Yup.

    5. JR

      You know, Ralf Gracie is, got one of the, the, like, Northern California, they have one of the-

    6. MD

      The Bay Area is just saturated.

    7. JR

      ... best areas.

    8. MD

      Yeah, it's awesome for martial arts, yeah.

    9. JR

      And killers. Dave Terrell.

    10. MD

      Yup.

    11. JR

      The Diaz brothers, obviously Cesar Gracie.

    12. MD

      Yup. Yup.

    13. JR

      And then you had, uh, Alex Gong used to be up there.

    14. MD

      Joe, I was just gonna say, the Fairtex crew.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. MD

      The old-school Fairtex crew. Alex Gong, Johnson on Fairtex.

    17. JR

      Did they ever catch the guy who killed him?

    18. MD

      I don't ... Yeah, I think he killed himself, actually.

    19. JR

      No.

    20. MD

      I think he ... No?

    21. JR

      No, Alex Gong got killed in a ... Someone, someone did something, and he went out. Like, someone fucked with his car or something like that.

    22. MD

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      And he went outside.

    24. MD

      Someone hit his car.

    25. JR

      And, and someone murdered him.

    26. MD

      The way I heard it was he was training in the gym, and somebody sideswiped or hit his car or something.

    27. JR

      Something like that.

    28. MD

      It was something like that. He ran down the street after him in a pair of fucking boxing gloves.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. MD

      Which probably wasn't, you know, I mean, obviously you, you see some fucking savage running up to your window-

  8. 16:28 – 21:37

    Early Boston training days: Joe Lake, Dana Rosenblatt, and ‘meathead sparring’

    1. JR

      Well, when you started fighting, there were very few people that were, like, formally trained in Muay Thai-

    2. MD

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... in our area, in the Boston area. Like, uh-

    4. MD

      Very true.

    5. JR

      We, we knew, uh, Rich Vasopolii.

    6. MD

      Oh man, what a name. Remember him?

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. MD

      He, he died in a triathlon too, didn't he?

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. MD

      Got kicked in the head while he was swimming and drowned.

    11. JR

      Isn't that crazy?

    12. MD

      That is crazy, man. Of all the shit you did in your life, you fucking got kicked by a swimmer and drowned.

    13. JR

      Yeah, and he was like, you know, all ... He was done fighting.

    14. MD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      He was in his 40s.

    16. MD

      Yeah, exactly. He was chilling at the time. It's funny you say that, man.

    17. JR

      So I used-

    18. MD

      Because back in the day, uh, I, I thought about this coming out here. You know, I remember the first pair of Muay Thai shorts I saw. I was like, "Dude, that's funky, those, those weird letters on the front."

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. MD

      Like, and it was, uh ... I don't know if you remember a guy named, uh, Ed Bavilac, I think his name was, Kimaki's in Australia.

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. MD

      He was a Sityodtong guy too. He went by-

    23. JR

      I remember that name.

    24. MD

      Yeah, man. He was like, you know, I remember back in the day, he was one of the first guys in the area to have a pair of Muay Thai shorts, and he was training with Dana Rosenblat and Joe Lake.

    25. JR

      Yeah, yeah.

    26. MD

      Remember that whole crew? It's funny-

    27. JR

      Sure.

    28. MD

      ... because we have similar backgrounds in martial arts in terms of Boston. It was the only-

    29. JR

      I know.

    30. MD

      ... the only legitimate-

  9. 21:37 – 29:10

    Leg kick evolution: calf kicks, oblique kicks, and distance management

    1. MD

      I took a low kick from Peter Aerts in Thailand.

    2. JR

      Oh, no.

    3. MD

      And oddly enough, uh, another trip was, uh ... Who was it? Um-

    4. JR

      He's so big.

    5. MD

      ... Pedro Rizzo. Oh, dude.

    6. JR

      Oh, no.

    7. MD

      Bro, um-

    8. JR

      He might be the worst.

    9. MD

      ... I'm telling you, I thought my femur fucking cracked in half. Never felt pain like that before.

    10. JR

      From Pe- Peter or, or from Pedro?

    11. MD

      Both at different times.

    12. JR

      Pedro is the scariest guy I've ever seen kick a bag.

    13. MD

      Oh.

    14. JR

      I've never seen anybody kick a bag so hard.

    15. MD

      I agree, man. I trained with him-

    16. JR

      He-

    17. MD

      ... a little bit in Thailand. Back in the day, we used to train-

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. MD

      ... at a gym called ISS, which was like a takeoff of, like, Sityodtong. Like, uh, we sold some fighters and some trainers to a friend of Sityodtong's. And, uh, we would train on the roof of this building on, like, Sukhumvit Highway in, like, the sun wir- ... Like, a canopy, like, above us. It was pretty, pretty, uh, pretty rough. But Peter Aerts was there training at the time, and Pedro Rizzo came through there. And, I mean, I was a lot smaller than them, obviously, but, dude, I never-

    20. JR

      Why did they spar?

    21. MD

      Why'd you spar with them? They're heavyweights. (sighs) 'Cause I'm retarded, dude.

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. MD

      I'm fucking stupid (laughs) 'cause it was the opportunity, man.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. MD

      They were like, "Oh, we need guys." No, I was actually helping someone else, a- an- another one of my stablemates get ready, and he just happened to be there. And he's like, "Oh, man, let's move around a little bit." And I was like, "This is probably not a good idea, but it's an honor." You know what I mean?

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. MD

      So I'm, I'm partially proud of getting kicked in the leg by those guys. But I, I probably shouldn't have done that, you know?

    28. JR

      Dude.

    29. MD

      What's worse, though, nowadays that you see is the calf kicks.

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  10. 29:10 – 56:17

    Anderson Silva stories: Cage Rage, betting odds, and the Cote title fight breakdown

    1. MD

      Oh, dude. I met him back in the day. We used to... I... First time I went over to London, we did a show called, uh, Cage Rage, and I, I took Jorge Rivera over there.

    2. JR

      Great fights over at Cage Rage.

    3. MD

      Yeah, man, it was awesome, and Paul Daley, Michael Bisping, Anderson Silva.

    4. JR

      That's why... Jorge fought, uh, Anderson Silva.

    5. MD

      Oh, man.

    6. JR

      We, we played that the other day.

    7. MD

      Did you really?

    8. JR

      Because Jorge was just teeing off on him from the clinch-

    9. MD

      Bro.

    10. JR

      ... and Anderson's just taking it on the chin.

    11. MD

      You wanna, you wanna hear a funny story?

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. MD

      I see Anderson, and all I can see is like G- George has got his back to me, Jorge's got his back to me, so he's... They're pummeling and they're in the center of the cage, and they're kind of in a Thai clinch. And George is throwing vicious uppercuts, vicious uppercuts, and overhands and uppercuts, just dirty boxing.

    14. JR

      And he was a knockout striker.

    15. MD

      He was, man. He had thunder in his hands, and he's throwing like these big bombs over the top, everything. And all I can see, because George's back's to me, I can't see Anderson's face. All I can see is his head bobbling, you know, taking the hits, and I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, go, go, go." And then over George's shoulder, I see Anderson's face, and he's laughing at George. I'm like, "Fuck." And then he just blitzed him.

    16. JR

      How did he do that? Did he roll with him slightly? Like, what did he do?

    17. MD

      Dude, I think it's, it's all a matter of like, you know, using your shoulders to protect impact, you know, shrugging, so to say. The first, first thing is bite-... first line-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. MD

      ... of defense, bite down, second-

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. MD

      ... line of defense, brace your neck, you know? And he just-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. MD

      Dude, I mean, he's got a fucking pumpkin head. He's got a big dome, dude. (laughs)

    24. JR

      Well, I mean, but you stop and think about later in his career, he couldn't take those kind of shots.

    25. MD

      Yeah. They add up after a while, I guess.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. MD

      But back in the day, man, I remember coming into that. You know, I had followed Muay Thai, I had followed shoot box, I'd follow, you know, Pele, those guys.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. MD

      So I knew Anderson Silva. A lot of people like, "Oh, who's this guy, Anderson Silva? He's coming over." A lot of people didn't know him. So I knew what we were getting into. I knew what type of fight it was. But the, the funny thing is when he came to the UFC, remember he debuted, I was there at the Hard Rock, uh, the Joint-

    30. JR

      Oh, yeah.

  11. 56:17 – 1:03:54

    Injuries, rehab tools, and the hidden wear of grappling (reverse hyper, decompression, neck work)

    1. JR

      What a vulnerable joint. That's why leg locks scare the shit out of me.

    2. MD

      He always had... You know, if I, if I recall, dude, I think he had issues too, like he had a staph infection in his knee, like, repeatedly. Like I remember he had staph in his knee, like, a bunch of times. So I don't know, man. But he, uh, you know, his, his best punch too was not only his overhand right but his rear uppercut.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. MD

      Nasty, nasty.

    5. JR

      Yeah, he has power.

    6. MD

      He busted me the fuck up a bunch of times.

    7. JR

      It's, it was weird, his power. You know? I mean-

    8. MD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... it's not like he didn't look like a strong guy-

    10. MD

      Yeah, yeah.

    11. JR

      ... but his power was weird.

    12. MD

      Yeah. See, watch. He hops up on that front leg and doh.

    13. JR

      You see it just give out.

    14. MD

      Right there. Donk.

    15. JR

      Puss. Yeah.

    16. MD

      Yikes. Dude, knees, back, nasty injuries.

    17. JR

      All those leg lock motherfuckers-

    18. MD

      Ugh.

    19. JR

      ... had fucked up knees.

    20. MD

      Dude.

    21. JR

      Eddie just had to get his meniscus fixed too.

    22. MD

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      He had a meniscus operation pretty recently. All those guys, like-

    24. MD

      Is he shoulder too, you're saying?

    25. JR

      ... oh yeah, he had, he had shoulder surgery recently. He had back surgery recently.

    26. MD

      Damn.

    27. JR

      Yeah, he had back surgery a little over a year ago, knee surgery recently.

    28. MD

      He's not doing that stem cell shit you're talking about, huh?

    29. JR

      No, he hasn't. I think he did something, but, uh, he didn't do it at the place that I go to.

    30. MD

      Mm-hmm.

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