JRE MMA Show #40 with Eddie Bravo

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Ready? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Ready?

   2. EBEddie Bravo0:00

      Um, (sighs) let's do it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Four, three, two, one. Boom! And we're live.

   4. EBEddie Bravo0:08

      (coughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      You were just telling me- you were just telling me how your son is getting into Bruce Lee. 'Cause we were looking at this, uh ... Shout out to, uh ... How do you pronounce his name correctly?

   6. EBEddie Bravo0:18

      Bruce Lee.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      No, pla- Plastisel. Plastisel dude.

   8. EBEddie Bravo0:21

      (laughs)

   9. YJYoung Jamie0:21

      Um, I don't know-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       I've only seen it written.

   11. YJYoung Jamie0:23

       ... which of the two actually made it. But yeah, Plastisel, I believe is the name of it, yeah.

   12. EBEddie Bravo0:25

       (sighs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah, but, but I mean, how do you pronounce the artist name?

   14. YJYoung Jamie0:28

       I think it's Phong.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Is it Phong?

   16. YJYoung Jamie0:29

       Phong Tran, I think is his name.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Yeah. Shout out to Phong. This thing is the shit. His art is amazing, these little Plastisel things. Look at this-

   18. EBEddie Bravo0:35

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... Rory MacDonald, how great is that?

   20. EBEddie Bravo0:37

       Yeah, th- the whole lineup's amazing.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah.

   22. EBEddie Bravo0:39

       I mean those are-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Biggy, sunglasses come off.

   24. EBEddie Bravo0:41

       ... legends. Nothing but legends.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Legends.

   26. EBEddie Bravo0:43

       But y- yeah. Um, you know, I wanted-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       How old's your son now?

   28. EBEddie Bravo0:46

       He's six now. And you hear these, uh, stories-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       (coughs)

   30. EBEddie Bravo0:50

       ... um, constantly about people remembering the first time they saw a Bruce Lee movie.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      can do shit now and they do stuff in like in- in martial arts films. Th- the techniques just way better, they're just way better.

   2. EBEddie Bravo15:07

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      He's got better at it.

   4. EBEddie Bravo15:08

      Can you put that- that fight scene back up with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      See if you can find that video first, what you're looking for, just while we're...

   6. YJYoung Jamie15:14

      Talk about like the one that gets thrown.

   7. EBEddie Bravo15:15

      The one- the one thing about Bruce Lee...

   8. YJYoung Jamie15:16

      With all the pads and he flies around.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      No, no. No, no, no. It's just a guy throwing kicks in the air. He's just throwing kicks in the air.

   10. YJYoung Jamie15:21

       Mm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       It's on, uh, the- Jackson Wink. Yeah, it's Jackson Winklejohn-

   12. YJYoung Jamie15:26

       I know. I just looked at three different-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       ... Instagram page.

   14. YJYoung Jamie15:28

       I don't know which one it's from.

   15. EBEddie Bravo15:28

       Oh, this guy's doing it in MMA?

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       No, no, he's doing it in the air.

   17. YJYoung Jamie15:31

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       He's doing it in the air.

   19. YJYoung Jamie15:32

       Which of their pages should I open up?

   20. EBEddie Bravo15:33

       Is he planning to use it in MM- in MMA you think?

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       You did the top one, Jackson Wink MMA.

   22. YJYoung Jamie15:37

       I didn't do that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       That one. Check that one out. There's a Korean dude if you keep going down. I don't know if he's planning on using it in MMA. Where the fuck is it? Goddamn it.

   24. YJYoung Jamie15:50

       I didn't see anything.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Hmm. Maybe they were commenting on it? Fuck, somebody had it up. (coughs) Sorry. Anyway.

   26. EBEddie Bravo15:59

       But with Bruce Lee fight scenes, what I like about them is you could see him... Although, you know, him beating up 50 guys at a time, you know, that, you know, how- how real can that be? But he does w- on one-on-one fights, he does a lot of feinting.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Mm-hmm.

   28. EBEddie Bravo16:16

       He'll do boxing stuff, he'll do wrestling, he'll do jujitsu.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Yeah.

   30. EBEddie Bravo16:20

       You see him mix it up and he's trying to make it, uh, a- a lot more realistic. Like the, you know, then you have, uh, your classic kung fu theater type movies where they're just like, "Ah, cha, cha, cha, pa, cha, cha."
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   It's silly. …

   1. EBEddie Bravo30:00

      did is, uh, just allowed the fight to unfold on the ground and, and not have any stand-ups and just let them fight on the ground. And when that happens, uh, there's a lot, uh ... There's so much more you can do when there's no time limit on the ground. Not like no time li- I mean, you know, they're not gonna sp- without stand-ups, where you could just, most of the match is take, is- takes place on the ground. S- the game just evolves so quickly and so rapidly and, and, uh, that you can't compare ... Like, e- Japanese guys come down to Brazil and they d- been doing judo their whole life, and they get smoked by Brazilians. That always happens in the World Championships. The Brazilians are just on the ground all day, you know? And the guys that do judo, they're on the ground a little bit. They're never gonna be able to compete in a sport where there's no stand-ups.You know, so to say that, uh, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is just Judo, it's, that's, um, you gotta think about it. You gotta really break it down-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:00

      It's silly.

   3. EBEddie Bravo31:00

      ... because it's, yeah, it's ridiculous.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:02

      It's silly. It's silly. There's so many silly connections that people have to arts, you know? I mean, there's, there's people that legitimately think that white people shouldn't be able to teach karate because it's cultural appropriation because it's a Japanese art. There's people that think that's stupid, you know? There's, I think all of it's martial arts now. I mean, I think the roots and the bases are very important to recognize that, you know, hey, you know, Brazil did do a crazy thing with Jiu-Jitsu. Hey, uh, the Thais did do a crazy thing with leg kicks and elbows and knees. There's really some, some people that have contributed to martial arts in this really insane way. And the people that highlight those disciplines, like the elite of the elites, like the Bucaus and the Sanchize and the Marcelo Garcias and the Jacares, like all these people that highlight it on, in each art, they're all, like, super, super important. But overall, it all comes into one thing and that's, that's martial arts. I think martial arts, it's really, um, at this point, it's really, I mean, ultimately it's, it's one thing now. Ultimately, ulti- ultimately, like, when you, when you think about UFC, when you think about just Bruce Lee movies, what is it? Like, fight, how, what's the best way to fight? It's all together now. It's all combined because the best way is not just wrestling. It's wrestling with ferocious striking. It's wrestling with leg kick defense. It's wrestling with submission holds. It's all these different things. You have to have all these things. You can't just be one thing anymore. It's interesting to be from one discipline, but it's, like, what, if your kid is coming up right now and he's, like, your son's age and he starts to learn martial arts techniques, I think by the time he gets to be our age, it's just gonna be martial arts. People are just gonna be taking martial arts. I don't think there's gonna be as, as many specialists in the future, and I think that's probably a shame. Like, but, no, who's gonna want, uh, from a guy who did Tae Kwon Do his whole life, who's gonna wanna do that now?

   5. EBEddie Bravo32:59

      Yeah, but when you're talking about Jiu-Jitsu, um, most people that do Jiu-Jitsu, um, are not doing it, uh, or they don't stay in it for the long haul and make it a lifestyle for the self-defense aspects.

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:15

      Right.

   7. EBEddie Bravo33:15

      They don't.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:16

      No.

   9. EBEddie Bravo33:16

      They go in there 'cause they're playing a video game and they're staying in shape.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:19

       Right.

   11. EBEddie Bravo33:19

       They're playing a, a game of death virtual reality video game trying to get taps, trying not to get, uh, tapped that much. You know? So, dude, mo- most of the guys in, in, you know, the, most of my students, they're just, like, you know, super nice sweetheart, uh, computer geeks. Just, just the nicest guys. They're, they're not in there ... They're in there-

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       Right.

   13. EBEddie Bravo33:41

       ... just to play.

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       Yeah. Well, it's a, there's a big difference between, um, we've talked about this before, but the big difference between guys who train together with Jiu-Jitsu and versus guys who train together with, like, kickboxing is the kickboxing people, they fucking hurt each other all the time.

   15. EBEddie Bravo33:54

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:54

       Like bad.

   17. EBEddie Bravo33:55

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       Like they're beating each other up. They're kicking each other and punching each other and shit. Jiu-Jitsu guys tap each other out and then they're like, "Oh, I'm gonna get you back, bitch."

   19. EBEddie Bravo34:02

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       And it's, but it's okay. Everybody's okay.

   21. EBEddie Bravo34:04

       Yeah. And you've gone 100%.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       Like, "Oh, you got me. You got me."

   23. EBEddie Bravo34:05

       That's the beauty of it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:06

       Yeah.

   25. EBEddie Bravo34:06

       You, you, we get to s- the, the, the reason why Jiu-Jitsu is, uh, it's, I mean, opening up a Jiu-Jitsu school, like, in, in, in society today is, like, one of the safest bets out there ever.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       Right.

   27. EBEddie Bravo34:20

       It gets so addicting. You can't download Jiu-Jitsu. You can't pirate Jiu-Jitsu, you know? You c- or sparring rather.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       Right.

   29. EBEddie Bravo34:26

       You know, you, you, you can't. You have to go to a place and you have to go to a place where there's a bunch of different ... And the more people there are, the better, the more variety of rolls you can get. 'Cause you don't wanna just roll with the same guy all the time.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:37

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (gasps) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      It wasn't-

   2. EBEddie Bravo45:00

      (gasps)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      It wasn't like my hand looks like with two distinct knuckles. It was just a, a boulder over there-

   4. EBEddie Bravo45:06

      And what did he do?

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      ... all from punching bricks.

   6. EBEddie Bravo45:08

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      He would just break bricks with his knuckles, and he would crack-

   8. EBEddie Bravo45:10

      And it works, so that shit works?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Oh, yeah.

   10. EBEddie Bravo45:12

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:12

       You get mad, mad arthritis when you get old-

   12. EBEddie Bravo45:15

       Oh, really?

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       It's like (groans) .

   14. EBEddie Bravo45:16

       Oh, shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       It is so not good to just beat on a joint until it callouses up like that.

   16. EBEddie Bravo45:22

       Yeah. Okay, forget that. Forget that. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       Yeah. I mean, that's what I heard. Maybe that's a, maybe that's a fake rumor too, but a lot of those guys that, uh, that did that, they would practice on makiwaras and on bricks and just constantly be punching bricks.

   18. EBEddie Bravo45:34

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       And so John had hands where he could, like, legitimately punch someone very hard and not worry about it with a bare knuckle. Whereas, a lot of people, man, your hand, your hand is way weak. Just think about what your hand is. Like, move your hand around like this. Think about all these little parts.

   20. EBEddie Bravo45:50

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       This is the worst thing you wanna hit somebody with.

   22. EBEddie Bravo45:52

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       That's why this elbows are so much better.

   24. EBEddie Bravo45:55

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Elbows are so much better. Your palm's even better.

   26. EBEddie Bravo45:58

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       This is crazy. This thing articulates, and it move... This is for piano. It's not for Hulk smash.

   28. EBEddie Bravo46:04

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       You know, look at this.

   30. EBEddie Bravo46:06

       Oh, shit.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:06

   Till? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      basically just a striking match. And in just a plain old striking match, Woodley was the one who landed the bigger shots. In my mind, we've gotta figure out a way to quantify that. It just doesn't make any sense where you could see a guy having a guy fucked up and almost out. To where I think the same way about the Robert Whitaker, Yoel Romero fight. There's two rounds in that fight where Yoel Romero is landing bombs on Whitaker, and Whitaker's hurt bad. How does he lose that fight? I don't understand that. It doesn't make ... To me, even if it makes sense in the current scoring system, that scoring system is fucking flawed. That shit doesn't make any sense. Like, logically when you're looking at what is the, what's the ultimate goal of fighting? But if you look at those three fights, just at least on paper, Wonderboy's like right up there, and Darren Till with one fight with Cowboy, one fight with him, those two fights were their most high profile fights of his career. Boom. Already got a title shot. It's really interesting. That's how, that's how talented Darren Till is. People are so interested in him, 17 and 0, 25 years old, they're like, "Fuck, give him a chance." The real battle for this guy almost is not just, uh, the fight, which is gonna be, of course, a battle, but making 170, and how much longer does he do that?... he's, I mean, he fucking ... He is hurting to get down to 170. Apparently, he was at-

   2. EBEddie Bravo1:01:21

      Till?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

      ... 182. Yes, he's giant, dude. Giant. You ever see how much bigger he is than Woodley? There's a, the video at the press conference where they stand next to each other and-

   4. EBEddie Bravo1:01:30

      How tall is he?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

      ... Till puts his hands over his head.

   6. EBEddie Bravo1:01:33

      I can't tell. It says inches.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

      Oh, he's got to be 6'2", but he said a big, giant 6'2".

   8. YJYoung Jamie1:01:38

      Oh, yeah. That's six foot even.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

      That's just six foot even?

   10. YJYoung Jamie1:01:41

       Yeah, 72 inches.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       That's right. It is. He seems way taller than that.

   12. EBEddie Bravo1:01:46

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       Watch the, go to the video of them, um ... That's crazy. Why'd I think he was 6'2"? Anyway, just, still, we're talking 170.

   14. EBEddie Bravo1:01:56

       He is clearly taller.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       He's a big fucker too. It's not just tall. He's thick. You know, he's, uh, he's a big fucking guy. And he has a hard time making that weight. Look how fucking big he is, dude. Seriously.

   16. YJYoung Jamie1:02:09

       It's only three inches? That looks like more than that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

       That looks like more than three inches. Unless he's wearing some crazy cowboy boots.

   18. YJYoung Jamie1:02:15

       Maybe.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

       I don't know, but look-

   20. EBEddie Bravo1:02:18

       It's gonna be hard to do anything to Woodley, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

       Very hard.

   22. EBEddie Bravo1:02:20

       It's gonna be hard, you know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

       Well, there's a bunch of things with Woodley.

   24. EBEddie Bravo1:02:23

       Very hard.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       First of all, the fucking speed. You're dealing with speed that you, you probably haven't seen before.

   26. EBEddie Bravo1:02:28

       Exactly. And the, his level of wrestling.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

       Look at these two guys.

   28. EBEddie Bravo1:02:32

       Has Till-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       That's, that's not a lead.

   30. EBEddie Bravo1:02:33

       ... submitted anybody?

Episode duration: 2:01:53