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Boom, and we're live.…
- JRJoe Rogan
Boom, and we're live. How are you, brother? What's going on?
- TFTyson Fury
I'm good. It's good to see you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Pull this sucker up to you.
- TFTyson Fury
Boom. How's that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Boom. Good.
- TFTyson Fury
(claps)
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm very excited about your fight, man. Very excited.
- TFTyson Fury
Not as excited as I am-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TFTyson Fury
... to be here.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm sure. What... H- how often is it that two undefeated... I mean, you're not a heavyweight champ because they stripped you, but you never lost. Two undefeated heavyweight champions go at it like this. This is a huge fight.
- TFTyson Fury
Very much so. It's never, ever happened before, ever.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's pretty exciting.
- TFTyson Fury
Someone two as big as us, um, have never, ever fought each other. (sniffs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you think of... I mean, for people who don't know, you're fighting Deontay Wilder, who's a, an American undefeated knockout artist. And you are probably one of the more interesting guys in the heavyweight division, not just 'cause of your personality, but your skillset, the way you move. You're long and tall, but you got great footwork and you're fast. You know, it's a very, very interesting fight as far as, like, boxing technique.
- TFTyson Fury
It's power, raw power versus boxing skill. Two guys, one six-foot-nine, one six-foot-seven, both charismatic, both talkers, one British, one American. It doesn't get any bigger than this. This is the biggest fight that could be made at this time in the heavyweight division or in the world of boxing.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you watch Deontay Wilder move around, w- there's nobody that moves like that guy. So odd. Like-
- TFTyson Fury
He reminds me of Bambi on ice.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TFTyson Fury
He doesn't really find his legs underneath him. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No, sometimes he throws and he's got no legs underneath him. He's just-
- TFTyson Fury
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... he's swinging and literally he's flying through the air as he's punching.
- TFTyson Fury
I've seen him fall over a few times as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
But listen, the guy tries to land that big punch and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
... when you're trying to knock people out with every single punch, then if you miss, it becomes a problem and you go off balance and maybe fall over.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
(sniffs)
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Rollercoaster. …
- TFTyson Fury
And that was it really. Cocaine and alcohol. It's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Rollercoaster.
- TFTyson Fury
... crazy drug, drug and alcohol mix.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
But, you know, I look back on it now and I think, "Would I change that?" I wouldn't. And not many people would think, "Well, this man's crazy for saying that on a radio show." But I wouldn't change a thing because I know it was supposed to happen and I needed to be tested to see what type of character I was. Although I did all those mad things and I went through all that time and I tried to commit suicide and I-
- JRJoe Rogan
How, how did you try to commit suicide?
- TFTyson Fury
Well, I'll tell you what happened. I, like I said, I was waking up and I didn't want to be alive. I was making everybody's life a misery. Everybody who was close to me was pushing away. Nobody could talk to me, talk any sense into me at all. And I'd go very, very, very low at times. Very low. And I'd start thinking all these crazy thoughts, and this, that, and the other. And I was in me car, I bought a, I bought a brand new Ferrari convertible, um, in the summer of 2016. And I was in it and I was on the highway and there's a strip of the highway where I am, and at the bottom of about a five mile strip, there's a massive bridge that crosses the motorway. And I knew that. And I got the car up to a 190 miles an hour. I was heading towards that bridge and I didn't care what no one was thinking, I didn't care about hurting me family, me, me career, people who friends, anybody, I didn't care. I didn't care about nothing, I just wanted to die so bad. I give up on life and just as I was heading towards that bridge at 190 in this Ferrari, it'd have crushed like a Coke can by the way if I hadn't hit it. I heard a voice say, "No. Don't do this, Tyson. Think about your kids. Think about your family and your little boys and girls growing up with no father and everyone saying your dad was a weak man. He left yous. He took the easy way out 'cause he couldn't do anything about it." And I, before I turned into the bridge, I, I pulled on the motorway and I was shaking. I could feel meself shaking and I pulled over and I was all nervous and didn't know what to do and I was frightened and I was so afraid. And I thought that day, "I'll never ever, ever try or think about taking me own life ever again." And I didn't. I went and got help from a, the leading psychiatrist, um, doctor in the UK. And me dad went up with me and she said to me dad, she said, "Can I have a word alone with you, John?" He said, "Yeah." Me dad told me what she said when he came out. She said, "He is not to be trusted alone. He's an imminent death risk." That's the highest level of suicide risk that she'd ever assisted. And she said, "Without his faith, he would've been dead a long time ago." But she said, "Faith alone ain't gonna hold him 'cause that's gonna break. And once that goes, he's done." So that put me dad's life in terror as well because he was checking up on me all the time, he wanted to be with me 24/7. He was even sleeping in my house with me, a married man with four kids. I was in a right state. I just, I just... I, I wanted, I just didn't want to live anymore and I had everything that a man could want. There wasn't nothing that I didn't have. But it meant nothing, nothing meant anything. I felt worthless and the longer it went on, the, the, the more it, it hurt inside and the more I was hurting everybody. Everybody gave up on me. Me full family thought I was definitely gonna die and I was gonna kill meself.And after that, I, I tried... I was thinking to meself, "You know what? I need to get better. I need to, I need to do something." But every time I tried to go to the gym, I had another voice saying, "No. This ain't anymore. I'm not gonna do this." I didn't wanna do it. I'd run... I'd run 200 yards and pull up. I wouldn't even get a mile or anything. "Oh, can't be bothered. I don't wanna do this. Boxing is not for me." I hated boxing at one stage. (sniffs) In 2016, early '17, I wouldn't have done a boxing fight for this room full of Diamonds. No way. I hated boxing. I wouldn't watch it on the TV, I wouldn't read about it. I hated boxing. I'd done it me whole life, and I didn't want no part of it anymore. (sniffs) And I was out drinking. I didn't care. Give up. Taking drugs, like I said. And it come to a point, I was doing that for 18 months of me life. (sniffs) And I was out, 2017, Halloween. I was, uh, 400 pounds, dressed up as a skeleton. And I goes to this fancy dress party and it... I'm looking around and I'm thinking, "These are all young kids compared to me." I'm 30 and I feel like I was the oldest guy in there, like 29. I was like, "What am I doing here? Is this what you want for your life?" And I thought to meself, "This is not me." And no matter how many people told me before this where I was going wrong, what I was doing, "You need to act your life," you can only change your life if you wanna change it. And I, I left and everyone said, "Are you going home early?" I said, "Yeah." I left at nine o'clock. I went home and I got back home, I didn't say anything to the wife. I ju- went straight upstairs into a dark room and I took the stupid skeleton suit off and I was... I was sat there. And I got on me knees and I was praying and begging God to help me. And at this point, I'd never... I'd never begged or cried to God to help me before. I prayed a lot all me life, but I'd never been in this physical state before. I could feel tears running down me face. Me chest was wet with tears 'cause I knew I couldn't do it on me own. It wasn't possible for me 'cause I'd tried and tried and tried and ended up back in the pub, back drinking. I almost accepted that that was gonna be my fate, an alcoholic. So I was on me knees in this bedroom. Um, after praying for about 10 minutes, I got up and I felt the weight of the world was lifted off me shoulders. And for the first time in years, I knew I was gonna make a comeback. And I called me wife, I said, "Paris, Paris." She said, "What?" She thought I was drunk coming home from the pub. I said, "Monday morning, I start the Regain mission to try and get the Heavyweight Championship of the World back." She said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Because before this, every time I'd have a beer, I'd come back and, "I'm gonna be the Heavyweight Champion of the World again," 'cause it was... it was the alcohol talking. So I was like the man who called wolf a thousand times on this, this stupid career that I... that I was living on the past, l- thinking about years before, glory days. And after this prayer, I got up, I said, "Right, this is gonna be it." She didn't believe me one second, but even when I speak to her now she says, "That night you told me that," she said, "I heard a difference in your voice. Something happened." Next day, I phoned up Ben Davison and I said, "I don't wanna go back down the old route with the same trainer, same promoter, same anything." I said, "Everything's gotta change." I says, "There's gotta be a new Tyson Fury." And we called it Return of the Mac mission. And as I went out that morning, after phoning Ben and ar- arranging everything, I went out for a run in me sweatsuit. I had... I had ambitions of running two miles. I got about five minutes into the run and stopped, and I walked. And while I was walking, I thought, "I can't run. I'm too fat, 400 pounds." But I thought, "I'm gonna walk. I'm gonna get out and walk." While I was walking, I was flicking through on me phone on Instagram and I sees this video of Deontay Wilder saying, "Yep, Tyson Fury's finally done now." Because the week before, I'd been at a boxing show in Manchester or something, and the press took a picture of me and it was like everywhere, this big, fat, out-of-shape, ugly, bald-headed, bearded, white-as-a-sheep man. And I was, like, a state. And he'd done this video. "Yep, after seeing this evidence of Tyson Fury, I finally know he's finished. He can never come back. And if he... even if I would've fought him in his heyday, I'd have knocked him out." And before that, he was talking about Mike Tyson, how he'd knocked Mike Tyson out in a round. And I thought to meself, "That's very disrespectful to talk about someone who's not even from your era and wanting to fight them and all that sort of stuff, when there's no possible chance." So, thought to meself, "You know what? If I ever do fight you, I'm gonna give it you for that reason." And then when I saw this other video of him saying the things about me and that I couldn't come back and that, it gave me that much more motivation to return just so I can beat Deontay Wilder. So, I had all these court cases on as well. I was being charged with taking performance-enhancing drugs, nandrolone, something I'd never done. I had... I had nandrolone in me system. It's produced naturally in the body, but they say my levels were elevated. The UKAD, UK Anti-Doping, said there was no case to answer. But all of a sudden, I had a big WADA case on me that took nearly three years to sort out. And by... A- a- and everyone said, "You're getting your n- hat nailed on here, son. You're getting a 12-year ban." And I said, "Do you know what?"
- JRJoe Rogan
A 12-year ban-
- TFTyson Fury
12 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for nandrolone?
- TFTyson Fury
Not just for nandrolone. I... I refused them as well. I was in a bad mood one day and the drug testing people come in the gym and I told them to fuck off.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is when you were training for your comeback?
- TFTyson Fury
This was when I was out of training, yeah, when I was just... All the time I was fat and out of shape and not training, I was still being randomly drug tested by UKAD.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TFTyson Fury
That's why I tested positive twice for cocaine. And everyone said, "Nope, you're never getting back." The bo- the Boxing Border Control suspended me license in the UK for the cocaine, um, use. So I had a... a court case looking at ban fo- ban forever, basically. Suspension. The doctor made me medically unfit to fight.So that was after, I forgot about that bit. When I was rescheduling the Klitschko II fight, uh, this psychiatrist phoned up and he says, "Look, he is medically unfit. He can't fight anybody. He don't want to live, nevermind fight." So I was medically deemed unfit to box, suspended by the Boxing Board of Control for the cocaine use, and I had a nandrolone case on me, and a refusal case. And by the way, it was racking up millions of dollars in lawyer's fees too. But I was so confident that I was gonna ... everything was gonna be okay because when I was down on my knees, I just knew that it was gonna be okay. And everyone was like, "What's the point in training and doing anything with you when you're not- you can't do anything, you're not in a position to do it?" I said, "Everything is gonna be all right. Don't worry." Court case comes along in December, we'll go. They say, "Right, this court case is dragged on insufficient evidence. Get rid of it." We both agreed that we was gonna call quits on the case. I go my way, they go theirs. They pay their legal fees, I pay my legal fees. Done. That was a drugs case out the window, finished. The suspension, I- I had a meeting with the border control in the UK and they said, "Look, if- if you can get past medically fit by a doctor, mentally, then we'll reassess your case. Until then, denied." So I said, "Right, no problem." Phoned up the psychiatrist, the same people who we- who I'd spoke to, all these doctors, three or four different Dr. Phils, Dr. Jones, whoever else. Said, "Right, I need a- I need reassessing." Reassessed me, bang, passed, flying colors. I went back to the border control, handed in my certificate by all these different doctors, examinations, physical and mental. They said, "We have no other choice but to give your license reinstated." Bang. So it was three of the biggest obstacles in my life at once, were all done within a month or two, straight away. Then I just had the easy task of losing, uh, 160 pounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TFTyson Fury
Which if I could have got over all them other things, losing weight as a fighter was something that I'd done natural anyway. So then, me and Ben set about losing this 160 pounds. And on the way back, I'd spoke to Frank Warren and he became my promoter. And Frank said, "Right. You've had a long time out the ring, you've abused your body. Let's get you four or five comeback fights, just so you're ready." I said, "Okay, no problem." Had the one combat fight, had the other combat fight. I said to Frank, "I don't need any more combat fights. Make the Wilder fight now." "No, no, no, no, no," he said, "let's have a couple more, just in case." I said, "I'm telling you, make the Wilder fight." So this is where people don't understand. I've picked Deontay Wilder, he didn't pick me. I picked him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he needs a high profile opponent right now-
- TFTyson Fury
He does.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because it looks like ... I mean, I don't want to say that Joshua's ducking him, but it looked like he didn't-
- TFTyson Fury
I'll say that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. There's something going on. He wa- who- whether it's his- his management or his promoter, they didn't seem to want that fight right away.
- TFTyson Fury
I know some quite close details on that. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
What is the detail?
- TFTyson Fury
The details is, um, Wilder's team offered Joshua's team $80 million for a two-fight deal. $50 million for the first fight and- and $30 million for the rematch if Joshua lost, and they declined that. And my lawyer, Robert Davis, he saw proof of funds from Al Haymon. So Eddie Hearn and his- his chum buddies can all say this, that, and the other, but I know the truth, 'cause proof of funds were seen.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think it's because of when Klitschko knocked him down and had him hurt, they were worried about Deontay with his big power?
- TFTyson Fury
I don't think it's about either fighter. It's bigger than that. It's about money.
- JRJoe Rogan
About keeping the money rolling in.
- TFTyson Fury
Keeping the golden goose laying them eggs, looking after it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Don't take any risks in fighting a guy like-
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Right. …
- TFTyson Fury
to me because I'd spend it anyway.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TFTyson Fury
Me dad always says, "A fool and his money is very easily parted." But that's another story for another day. Going back on to this fight, we owe it to the fans to give them a proper fight of two so-called people who think they're the best. Let's prove it. It wasn't a hard negotiation thing on this deal neither with me and Wilder. I hope he don't mind and I hope his team don't mind me saying that they were the most fairest, most straight-going people I've ever worked with.There was no if, buts, or maybes. Whatever I asked for, they agreed, and whatever he asked for, I've agreed to. There was no... it was no hard negotiations. It was very, very simple. I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Wilder clearly seems to want to prove that he's the best.
- TFTyson Fury
And I've got to admire him for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I admire that as well. I mean, he's got a title, he's undefeated, he's smashing everybody they put in front of him.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he has a legacy on his mind.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He wants to leave a real legacy.
- TFTyson Fury
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is why he looked to fight you.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah. I, I believe that. I've gotta give Deontay Wilder a lot of credit and respect for that, and admiration, because it seems to be that he was the only man at the time, before I was even come back, who was willing to risk everything he's got to prove he's the best. And isn't that what fighting's about? Where men wanna prove they're the best of all the others?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, he's absolutely d- behaving like a true champion. I mean, that's what everybody-
- TFTyson Fury
I believe so.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that's what fans want. They want a guy like that, and a guy like you.
- TFTyson Fury
I, I, I, I've gotta admire him because to pick me, a 6'9" mover who's slick and fast and can do awkward things, that's a awkward fight for him. He could've picked much easier opponents and made similar money, but he didn't. He opted for the toughest one, the most awkward test. I respect him for that and I take me hat off to him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think this is gonna be a giant fight, I really do.
- TFTyson Fury
(sniffs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, 'cause this is what everybody's been wanting for a long time. It's so difficult to get people excited about the heavyweight division. I mean, Joshua's a giant fan in the UK, but worldwide-
- TFTyson Fury
Not so much.
- JRJoe Rogan
... not so much. And Deontay Wilder, even though he's had these spectacular results, he needs that big thing to, to put him over the top. The Ortiz fight helped, but he needs something more to, to capture the real, the, the, the love of the American public, the love of the world. He just hasn't quite grabbed it yet.
- TFTyson Fury
He hasn't, and I do feel sorry for him in a way, because he has had 40 professional fights and knocked out nearly everybody he's fought.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's been crazy. He should be a huge superstar.
- TFTyson Fury
He should be, but he's not. I go down the street, wherever I am, New York, Los Angeles, Big Bear, and if I ask 50 people, "Who's Deontay Wilder?" Maybe one might even recognize the name.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
And someone even said, "I recognize the name. Is he a ballplayer? Is he a hockey player?" I said, "No, he's heavyweight champion of the w- world."
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy because he's a flashy dresser, he's a great talker, he knocks people into another fucking dimension, he's a wild guy to watch fight, he's very exciting. It's just, he's got all the... Ev- he's just waiting for the big moment, and maybe this fight is the big moment for one of you.
- TFTyson Fury
(clicks tongue) It is. Um, I, I do think it's something to do with the heavyweight division's been in Europe for the last, um, 15 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and been put to sleep.
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You only wanna beat…
- TFTyson Fury
I've done it. Even the unthinkable things, if I set me mind to it, I've done it. I don't care about wanting what Deontay Wilder has in his position or whatever. I only wanna beat him in a fight, that's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
You only wanna beat him because it's so difficult.
- TFTyson Fury
Not just that, because that's what I wanna do. I've set-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause that's your goal.
- TFTyson Fury
... set, set me goal, beating Deontay Wilder.
- JRJoe Rogan
So do you think that that's the- your future is just setting goals and constantly trying to achieve those goals?
- TFTyson Fury
I think, I think I've got a bigger purpose now than boxing. Boxing's a sport and something that I've made a living out of for a long time. But I think there's a bigger picture, bigger than any, any winning any titles, bigger than winning any, any fights, any number of fights. I think my calling card in life is to spread the word on this, this disease, a silent killer. A k- a killer that's so ferocious that you can't see it or feel it from the outside. You could be suffering right now, but I wouldn't be able to see it because I can't see into your mind.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just so unusual that someone has that solution, that hard work, dedication and setting goals is what lifted you out of the depression and made you appreciate life and made you appreciate all the- all the aspects of it.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah. I appreciate everything, you know, spending time with me family. I took it for granted before. I thought, "All right, I can spend time with me family any time I want." I, I couldn't put into words what I went through, but let me just say, I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy. Not that I have any enemies. But if I did, I wouldn't wish it on a soul because I know how hard it is and I know unless a person... Maybe not have got through and maybe not... A man without faith may would have took his own life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now that you have gotten through, do you feel like you have the solution now to navigate the rest of your life?
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah. I now know the secret for me, and everybody's will be different, but if I train every day and I stay in shape then I'll be happy forever. The time I stop training, the time I balloon back up again, the time it all goes wrong again and I know that. If you know something in your life, then you don't do it. And that's what I know. It's like a diabetic. If he goes and eats a load of sugar, he knows it's gonna make him ill so he don't do it. So as long as I always stay by them guidelines, I know I'm gonna be all right and that's the hell she wrote.
- JRJoe Rogan
So as long as you... Well, that's the other thing too, right? The alcohol and the drugs exacerbate any sort of bad state that you have because you're gonna feel like shit.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah. I'm not teetotal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TFTyson Fury
I- I've had a drink since I've been back. I've b- I've, I've been out with the lads, had drinks, whatever and-
- JRJoe Rogan
But your goals are still set and strong?
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah. But as long as-
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's really what it is.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So from now on you just have to continually set goals in your life?
- TFTyson Fury
Set goals, whatever them goals might be. They don't have to be massive goals but they can be anything really, anything that I wanna do or I wanna achieve or I wanna go some place or whatever and I, I work towards that and set meself a goal. It's almost like a little treat or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fascinating because no one's ever really connected that. I mean, people, people have made that connection in terms of, like, when they study happy people, one of the things they find about happy people is they're goal-oriented people. They set goals to accomplish, those people. But no one has ever really set that as a remedy for depression and for mental health issues. Setting goals, achieving those goals, that's the key to keep it going.
- TFTyson Fury
I believe that's the case, yeah. After doing quite a lot of research on, on meself and experiencing it and it, it works for me and I- I find it works for a lot of people I speak to who's got the same problems. I get messages from all o- all over the world from different types of sportspeople and different type of people.... asking for information and, and help on how I, I got through mine, and what I did. And, and I'm happy to, I'm happy to help. So if there's anybody out there who's struggling in silence, which a lot of people are, then I'm always here to help if I can.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's such an impressive and inspiring message because you're doing it without medication. You're doing it just through positive thinking, through goal setting, and through healthy living.
- TFTyson Fury
That's right. And I believe it's the best, best way to live anyway. Best way to live is fit and healthy. When you're out of shape and you feel unfit and you feel terrible, then nothing's gonna go right for you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TFTyson Fury
But if you feel fit, you feel good.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's almost natural to feel depressed if your body is literally depressed.
- TFTyson Fury
If every time I go to the gym and do a little bit of training, whether it be a lot or a little, I always go out of the shower and, and think, "I feel great now," training sets off an endorphin in your blood-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
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So, he's responsible for…
- TFTyson Fury
again. I didn't wanna be there. I'd start training camp a few times and walked out the gym every time because I didn't want to be in the gym. I didn't have no motivation to be there. So the, the most ... the main thing is boxing is boxing, ain't rocket science. You can only do a few things. I think the most important things in boxing is road work, pad work and sparring. Everything else, not interested. My favorite thing to do is spar. And I think what better to do than practice what you do with another person fighting other men? And that's me, that's me favorite thing. And I've often sparred hundreds of rounds for fights to get fit and lose weight. James Toney used to do that too. He used to spar hundreds and hundreds of rounds to get his self fit, and that's what I've done as well. That's me favorite thing. But now we do a lot of strength and conditioning work. We do a lot of weights and stuff. Uh, I figured out over a year, being around, like American fighters and stuff, especially the boxers, they don't have that like, that w- that c- that, um, program of weights and stuff. It's more like maybe light weights, loads of repetitions and stuff. And be- and being a heavyweight-I, I lift heavy weight, very heavy weights. I'm deadlifting very heavy weights, I'm benching heavy weights. I'm using me body weight in a lot of stuff. So I believe it's very, very key factor in being a big, strong man.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, he's responsible for that as well?
- TFTyson Fury
No, I have another guy who does that.
- JRJoe Rogan
You have another guy who does strength and conditioning work?
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
One of the things about a boxing trainer is knowing when to pull you back, knowing when you're peaking.
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that mostly comes from long-term success working with many, many fighters. That's gotta be one of the biggest chances you take with a young guy.
- TFTyson Fury
It is, but I put him to the test many, many times. And he does, he can see it. Sometimes being a successful trainer, doing successful things and making champions, and then you go work with that trainer and you think, "You don't know nothing." That's mad. I've worked with a few trainers who've fault that. I'm not gonna go into any names because that'd be disrespectful. But Ben knows when I'm feeling good. My style is all about feel good factor. And if I feel good, I'll fight excellent. And if I'm not feeling un- under the weather, then I'll feel, I'll, I'll fight rubbish.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know when... Like, when you show up at the gym and you're feeling like shit, do you know when to back outta there?
- TFTyson Fury
You know, often I've went to the gym not wanting to be in the gym and felt like shit, but then had the best training session of me life. That's happened many, many times. Until you're actually working out and getting to the, into the groove, I don't think you can really know what you're gonna feel like until you start training because-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TFTyson Fury
... if you went on how you felt before the gym sometimes, then you wouldn't be in the gym at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TFTyson Fury
But I do believe what you said is very correct. And it's the most important thing that anybody's ever talked about to me. And I'm glad that you brought it up because not a lot of people have that ability to know when to pull your fighter back, enough is enough. A lot of people think because it's a bigger fight than your last one, you gotta train double as hard. "You training harder than you've ever trained before?" No. "Are you running further? You're lifting heavier?" No, because I already train hard, so I don't need to train any harder. Where some people think, "Right, this is wild a fight. We need to be fitter than ever. We need to run up a mountain carrying a backpack on me back and pull three bulls up there and wrestle two bears."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TFTyson Fury
But it's not the case. And Ben knows that's not the case. He's very cautious. I've mentioned it to him many, many times about overtraining, overtraining, overtraining. How many times do you see fighters leave it all in the gym?
- JRJoe Rogan
Quite a bit.
- TFTyson Fury
I don't wanna leave this in the gym. I wanna leave it in the ring on the night. I'd rather be a little bit unfit, a lot unfit rather, than, than a tiny bit overtrained. I've been overtrained and it's like being underwater. You've got no snap, you can't put things together. You want to, you can, you can see it coming but you can't do nothing about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's worse than unfit-
- TFTyson Fury
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because you're, you're compromised.
- TFTyson Fury
I've been overtrained before and I've been totally unfit, fat as anything. And I'd rather be unfit 10 times a day than overtrain once. You can't do nothing when you're overtrained, but at least when you're unfit you lose your breath, but you re- you recover when you have a rest and you get back at it again.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TFTyson Fury
But overtrained, you're just one pace, you can't do nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
You never get out of the mud.
- TFTyson Fury
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, you have a strength and conditioning coach and how often do you do that?
- TFTyson Fury
We do that, uh, five days a week.
- JRJoe Rogan
You do... Wow.
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