JRE MMA Show #47 with Tyson Fury

Joe Rogan 0:07 Boom, and we're live. How are you, brother? What's going on?

Tyson Fury 0:09 I'm good. It's good to see you.

Joe Rogan 0:10 Pull this sucker up to you.

Tyson Fury 0:12 Boom. How's that?

Joe Rogan 0:13 Boom. Good.

Tyson Fury 0:14 (claps)

Joe Rogan 0:14 I'm very excited about your fight, man. Very excited.

Tyson Fury 0:17 Not as excited as I am-

Joe Rogan 0:18 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 0:18 ... to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:19 I'm sure. What... H- how often is it that two undefeated... I mean, you're not a heavyweight champ because they stripped you, but you never lost. Two undefeated heavyweight champions go at it like this. This is a huge fight.

Tyson Fury 0:31 Very much so. It's never, ever happened before, ever.

Joe Rogan 0:33 It's pretty exciting.

Tyson Fury 0:34 Someone two as big as us, um, have never, ever fought each other. (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 What do you think of... I mean, for people who don't know, you're fighting Deontay Wilder, who's a, an American undefeated knockout artist. And you are probably one of the more interesting guys in the heavyweight division, not just 'cause of your personality, but your skillset, the way you move. You're long and tall, but you got great footwork and you're fast. You know, it's a very, very interesting fight as far as, like, boxing technique.

Tyson Fury 1:03 It's power, raw power versus boxing skill. Two guys, one six-foot-nine, one six-foot-seven, both charismatic, both talkers, one British, one American. It doesn't get any bigger than this. This is the biggest fight that could be made at this time in the heavyweight division or in the world of boxing.

Joe Rogan 1:21 When you watch Deontay Wilder move around, w- there's nobody that moves like that guy. So odd. Like-

Tyson Fury 1:26 He reminds me of Bambi on ice.

Joe Rogan 1:29 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:30 He doesn't really find his legs underneath him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:32 No, sometimes he throws and he's got no legs underneath him. He's just-

Tyson Fury 1:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... he's swinging and literally he's flying through the air as he's punching.

Tyson Fury 1:39 I've seen him fall over a few times as well.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:41 But listen, the guy tries to land that big punch and-

Joe Rogan 1:43 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:44 ... when you're trying to knock people out with every single punch, then if you miss, it becomes a problem and you go off balance and maybe fall over.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:51 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 1:51 Were you, uh, impressed with him in the Luis Ortiz fight?

Tyson Fury 1:55 I was impressed with him because he came back.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:57 And he was losing all the rounds. I only gave Wilder the rounds that he knocked Ortiz down in. Um, so he done well. It was his acid test, so to say, come through. Ortiz is 49 years old. Um, albeit-

Joe Rogan 2:11 At least.

Tyson Fury 2:12 At least. Albeit he was past his, past, like, his prime age, but still undefeated, um, champion going in. So it was a great victory for Deontay Wilder, and he proved to me that he can get, come back, get hurt, come back, and win a fight.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Yeah, and Ortiz comes from that Cuban system. He's got great skills. I mean-

Tyson Fury 2:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 ... he, and he's looked fantastic in every single fight other than that fight, up until that moment that he got hit.

Tyson Fury 2:33 Yeah, look, you can't go swimming and not get wet.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 2:36 Ortiz had over 300 amateur fights, 20 odd professional fights, nearly knocked them all out. But if I may be critical of, uh, Luis Ortiz at this minute, he stood in front of Deontay Wilder, right in punching range, which is not a wise decision considering the guy's had 39 KOs.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 2:53 And his, his movement, he was trying to move a little bit, but he, he was on old legs. And I know a story what happened before that fight. Luis Ortiz had very bad blood pressure, and the doctor was gonna pull him out, and he had Charles Martin on standby, but he said, "No, I need the money."

Joe Rogan 3:07 Is that right?

Tyson Fury 3:08 So he went in and fought anyway, and he still nearly beat Wilder.

Joe Rogan 3:11 He had high blood pressure?

Tyson Fury 3:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:14 That's interesting. And where, where are you hearing this from?

Tyson Fury 3:16 Good sources.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Good sources?

Tyson Fury 3:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Those are the best sources.

Tyson Fury 3:19 Always the best.

Joe Rogan 3:20 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 3:21 Inside info.

Joe Rogan 3:22 You're an interesting story, man, because, uh, not just 'cause of your personality, but because you're, you've come back from mental illness and you're very, very open about it.

Tyson Fury 3:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:31 You know, I think that's, it's a, that's a very unique thing, right? I m- I remember when you, when you beat Klitschko and won the title, and then you kind of went off the rails, and I thought you were just partying, you know? When, when I-

Tyson Fury 3:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:44 ... heard about it, I thought, "Wow, guy made a shitload of money, became the heavyweight champion, all the pressure and the press and all the craziness." But it was more than that.

Tyson Fury 3:53 It was more than that. It's, it started off like, I'd suffered with mental health problems my whole life, but I didn't know what it was 'cause I never had no education on the matter. Um, and it wasn't till after the Klitschko fight, a very massive high, then I had to have a even worser low, lowest low that anyone could ever have. Um, I'd wake up and I'd think, "Why did I wake up this morning!" This is coming from a man who had everything, money, fame, glory, titles, a wife, a family, kids, everything. But I felt as if I had nothing. I felt there was an empty gaping hole that was just filled with gloom and doom, and it just was one bad thing happened to me after another. Within seven days, the IBF stripped me of their title because I couldn't defend against Glazkov, who was a nobody, because I had a rematch clause with Wladimir. But the IBF wasn't expecting me to beat Wladimir, so they chucked that clause in there anyway, thinking Wladimir's gonna want to be able to defend against Glazkov. But because I won, they, they stripped me of the belt-

Joe Rogan 4:51 You said within-

Tyson Fury 4:51 ... which was none of my reason.

Joe Rogan 4:52 ... within seven days of the fight?

Tyson Fury 4:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:54 That's insane.

Tyson Fury 4:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:56 How can they r- require you to fight within seven days?

Tyson Fury 4:58 No, they didn't, but they required me to, to go into negotiations.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Let's just sign. And you didn't... So just not going into negotiations to sign, they stripped you within seven days?

Tyson Fury 5:06 Yeah, but they knew I couldn't go into negotiations because of the rematch clause.

Joe Rogan 5:10 (sighs) Boxing's a dirty business.

Tyson Fury 5:11 So I was stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 5:14 And, and that's what happened. That was one belt gone. And then my team and Klitschko's team were carrying on about where the fight was gonna be. It was gonna be on a cruise ship in Dubai. It was gonna be here, it was gonna be there.

Joe Rogan 5:27 A cruise ship?

Tyson Fury 5:27 Time was dragging on.

Joe Rogan 5:29 A cruise ship?

Tyson Fury 5:29 A cruise ship, yeah. There was some, um, Arab billionaire-

Joe Rogan 5:32 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 5:32 ... who wanted to make this fight an exclusive fight for him and his buddies.

Joe Rogan 5:36 No.

Tyson Fury 5:36 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 5:37 Come on.

Tyson Fury 5:38 Seriously.

Joe Rogan 5:39 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 5:39 This fight was heading for a cruise ship.

Joe Rogan 5:42 That fucking oil money, man. Jesus Christ.

Tyson Fury 5:44 They've got some money, but listen, if they can afford it, do it. That's what I say.

Joe Rogan 5:47 That would have been the most hilarious scenario ever for a world heavyweight title fight, a bunch of Arab billionaires on a cruise ship. (mimics explosion) Wow. So they strip you of the IBF belt. You go into negotiation with Klitschko for the rematch.

Tyson Fury 6:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:04 How come the rematch never happened?

Tyson Fury 6:05 The rematch didn't happen initially because I went over on my ankle in training, um-I was in Holland, training for the rematch and I was running up on heavy terrain and I went over on my ankle, sprained my ankle quite badly, so we had to postpone the fight. Um, but by the time I was off, like say, three months, getting this ankle right and all that, I just, I just didn't wanna do it anymore, if you know what I mean. I didn't have the desire. The fire wasn't burning no longer to fight. And I was suffering with depression the whole time. Even in training camp, before I sprained my ankle, I was depressed as depressed could be on a daily basis. And I'm thinking, "Why am I feeling like this? I don't have no reason to feel like it." Some people will say, "Oh, well, it's attention-seeking," or whatever, but unless you've experienced what I'm saying, it- it's sort of impossible to understand where I've been or where I've come from. And it just went from bad to worse. Um, I hit the drink heavily on a daily basis. I hit the drugs. Um, I was out all night partying with, with, uh, women of the night and not coming home. And, you know, I didn't care about boxing, I didn't care about living, I just wanted to die and I was gonna have a good time doing it while I was doing it. I used to drink and take drugs to get away from the depression because when I was drunk or high then I wouldn't, uh, I wouldn't think about being depressed. I thought about being, um, a, a boxing champion or I'm a ... I feel great. But as we know, when the drink wears off, it only leaves you with a bad hangover and feeling even more depressed. For someone who suffers with mental health, the worst-est thing we can do to escape it is take drugs or alcohol.

Joe Rogan 7:37 But yet, that's the most common approach.

Tyson Fury 7:39 And that's the common approach because people ... we don't know-

Joe Rogan 7:42 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 7:42 ... 'cause it's not spoke about. And this is why I wanna spread the word on mental health so when other people are in this position in the future, they know where to go and they know what to do 'cause there's a blueprint.

Joe Rogan 7:55 Well, kudos for you- to you for doing that because so v- so few people have the courage to talk about their struggles when they go through them because it seems like a weakness.

Tyson Fury 8:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:04 You know? It's, it's very powerful that you're willing to do that and just be open and honest about it. There's a few people out there that are doing that now.

Tyson Fury 8:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:11 You know, our friend Mauro Ranallo, he's gone through some, some serious, uh, mental health issues and he's very open about it and talks about it quite a bit. Now, when you were training for the first Klitschko fight, uh, for the fight rather, did you have it then?

Tyson Fury 8:27 Not really, no. Be- I was set- focused on what I wanted to do, and that was beat Wladimir Klitschko. And I believe when you've got a goal in mind al- from being a child all your life and you do that, then i- I was like, I was lost. It was almost like I didn't have anything more to do in me life. Although I could have carried on and defended the belts and whatever, I wasn't really interested in doing that. I'd beat the man I'd always wanted to do, 'cause when I was an amateur boxer, I used to watch Wladimir Klitschko on TV as the world heavyweight champion and I always aimed ... he was my target to beat. And when I finally beat him, it was like climbing my Everest. I didn't have anything more to prove. And the fire was dead. There was no fire. I was forcing meself to fight. And I always said I didn't wanna be one of those people who just fought for money, because there's plenty of people with money in the world, plenty of them, but who knows them? And the reasons for me fighting, it's not for money or, or for belts or glory. I fight because, uh, I don't know anything else. I've always been a fighter, from being born to being 30 years old now. It's all I love to do. I don't have any other passion. I've looked. The Lord knows I've looked. And if I had anything else I was good at or I could do, I'd be doing it.

Joe Rogan 9:41 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 9:42 I just- I tried retirement. I was 27. I retired only the second man in boxing heavyweight history to retire unbeaten as a world champion, like Rocky Marciano before me. But it wasn't enough. I was like, "I am lost without this fight game." I tried golfing, I tried clay pigeon shooting-

Joe Rogan 9:59 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 9:59 ... I tried 4x4-ing, I tried going to strip clubs, bars, restaurants, everything, and it was just like I had this emptiness inside where I just wanted to fight.

Joe Rogan 10:09 Well, in comparison to what you've accomplished, everything else has to seem pretty dull. I mean, and you, you step into the ring with Wladimir Klitschko, who was widely considered to be one of the greatest heavyweights ever, and you boxed his face off. I mean, that was a beautiful performance.

Tyson Fury 10:25 It was. Uh-

Joe Rogan 10:25 You shut him down. It was weird. It was weird to watch them. It's like there was moments in that fight where he just- he just looked like he didn't know what to do with you.

Tyson Fury 10:32 And we're gonna see it again on December the 1st. Like I said to Wladimir, I said the same thing to Deontay Wilder, "You've fought the Americans, you've fought the Mexicans, you've fought the Europeans, but you ain't never fought the Gypsy King before." I said it straight to Wladimir. I said, "You're looking at a king." I said, "Have you ever fought a king before?" He said, "No." I said, "Well, you're fighting one now." And I said, "You're gonna lose to one."

Joe Rogan 10:54 Well, he's lost before, but he's lost because he got clipped and hurt and stopped, and- and I was very impressed with him actually in the Anthony Joshua fight because he came back from getting badly hurt and almost put Joshua away. But the fight with you is different because you just outboxed him, and he was known as the guy who would box and hold, jab and hold. I mean, he was one of the most boring heavyweights of all time. Fantastically successful, but from a spectator point of view, you watch some of his fights, you're like, "Jesus Christ, he would jab you, grab you, jab you-"

Tyson Fury 11:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:25 ... grab you." I mean, that was his thing, right hand, grab you.

Tyson Fury 11:28 It worked. He had 25 title defenses.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Yeah, I mean, it was very successful, but that shit didn't work with you.

Tyson Fury 11:35 It didn't. For the first time in his whole career, he was fighting somebody who was not just bigger than him, but more athletic, who could move more.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 11:43 Someone who wasn't just looking for one lucky punch. I knew going into the Wladimir fight that everybody, all the rest of the opponents, them 25 men before me, had all went in trying to do the same thing, try to knock him out. And he's got- he's got something of a, a weird defense where he puts both arms out in front of him, and it's almost very awkward to land on that chin with big punches. So I thought, "I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna make that mistake. I'm gonna outbox him." And, and all me team said, "This is not a good idea. We've gotta go to Germany to try and outbox a super champion and try and win on the cards? Are you crazy?" I said, "Yes." I said, "But if I wasn't crazy, I wouldn't be great."And I went over there and outboxed him. And nobody, n- nobody, apart from me brother or me father, thought I could do it. You know, even people who were close to me in camp, they were like, they were very unsure of what was gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 12:35 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 12:37 And me being me, I always had that little smile on me face because I believed it. I believed I could always beat Vladimir Klitschko. I even told Vladimir years before when I was 22, I said, "I'll beat you one day." Emanuel Steward told him too, God rest his soul, he said, "Tyson Fury is the heir to the throne." He said, "And when his time is ready, he will beat you."

Joe Rogan 12:59 Wow. Wow.

Tyson Fury 12:59 Straight to him. Vladimir hated that. He hated Emanuel talking about me like that. But he, he done it either way.

Joe Rogan 13:06 Well, I'm sure it was good fire under him during training as well. Now, you, you were focused for that fight, you were, you were prepared, and afterwards, was it just the realization that you'd accomplished this incredible goal that set in the depression? Was it you didn't know what to do next? Or was it just that your focus was now no longer on this unattainable, you know, like, uh, in- almost insurmountable obstacle in front of you, becoming the heavyweight champion of the world, all of a sudden you did it, then depression kicks in?

Tyson Fury 13:39 Yeah. My conditioning trainer, Christian, he said to me before the Klitschko fight, he said, "What will you do after you win?" I said, "Probably be depressed for a long time." He said, "What?" I said, "Truthfully." I was, I was almost expecting it. And I didn't think I'd ever box again. Even the day after the Klitschko fight, Sky Sports interviewed me, the UK broadcaster who put it on. And they said, "What's next for Tyson Fury?" I said, "I'll probably never box again." I knew.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Wow.

Tyson Fury 14:09 I said to me dad and me brothers before the fight, a week before the fight, I said, "Win, lose or draw," I said, "This is probably gonna be me last fight." 'Cause I knew the fire was going, I didn't have that hunger anymore. I had the hunger to beat Vladimir Klitschko but not to carry on and continue. And I said I didn't want it to be about money or, or financial gain. I wanted to be the best of my time, beat the best man, and that's what I did. And I was a man of me word and I didn't box again. Until two and a half year later, I decided to make a comeback because I was sitting here at 400 pounds, a dr- drug addict, an alcoholic. By the way, never took a drug in me life until I got to 27.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Really? Nothing?

Tyson Fury 14:50 Never. Not-

Joe Rogan 14:51 Nothing?

Tyson Fury 14:51 Not smoked weed, not, not nothing.

Joe Rogan 14:53 And what-

Tyson Fury 14:54 Drug free.

Joe Rogan 14:55 ... what were the drugs, what were the drugs of choice once you won the title?

Tyson Fury 14:58 Cocaine was the usual one. And that was it really. Cocaine and alcohol. It's like-

Joe Rogan 15:04 Rollercoaster.

Tyson Fury 15:04 ... crazy drug, drug and alcohol mix.

Joe Rogan 15:06 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tyson Fury 15:07 But, you know, I look back on it now and I think, "Would I change that?" I wouldn't. And not many people would think, "Well, this man's crazy for saying that on a radio show." But I wouldn't change a thing because I know it was supposed to happen and I needed to be tested to see what type of character I was. Although I did all those mad things and I went through all that time and I tried to commit suicide and I-

Joe Rogan 15:31 How, how did you try to commit suicide?

Tyson Fury 15:32 Well, I'll tell you what happened. I, like I said, I was waking up and I didn't want to be alive. I was making everybody's life a misery. Everybody who was close to me was pushing away. Nobody could talk to me, talk any sense into me at all. And I'd go very, very, very low at times. Very low. And I'd start thinking all these crazy thoughts, and this, that, and the other. And I was in me car, I bought a, I bought a brand new Ferrari convertible, um, in the summer of 2016. And I was in it and I was on the highway and there's a strip of the highway where I am, and at the bottom of about a five mile strip, there's a massive bridge that crosses the motorway. And I knew that. And I got the car up to a 190 miles an hour. I was heading towards that bridge and I didn't care what no one was thinking, I didn't care about hurting me family, me, me career, people who friends, anybody, I didn't care. I didn't care about nothing, I just wanted to die so bad. I give up on life and just as I was heading towards that bridge at 190 in this Ferrari, it'd have crushed like a Coke can by the way if I hadn't hit it. I heard a voice say, "No. Don't do this, Tyson. Think about your kids. Think about your family and your little boys and girls growing up with no father and everyone saying your dad was a weak man. He left yous. He took the easy way out 'cause he couldn't do anything about it." And I, before I turned into the bridge, I, I pulled on the motorway and I was shaking. I could feel meself shaking and I pulled over and I was all nervous and didn't know what to do and I was frightened and I was so afraid. And I thought that day, "I'll never ever, ever try or think about taking me own life ever again." And I didn't. I went and got help from a, the leading psychiatrist, um, doctor in the UK. And me dad went up with me and she said to me dad, she said, "Can I have a word alone with you, John?" He said, "Yeah." Me dad told me what she said when he came out. She said, "He is not to be trusted alone. He's an imminent death risk." That's the highest level of suicide risk that she'd ever assisted. And she said, "Without his faith, he would've been dead a long time ago." But she said, "Faith alone ain't gonna hold him 'cause that's gonna break. And once that goes, he's done." So that put me dad's life in terror as well because he was checking up on me all the time, he wanted to be with me 24/7. He was even sleeping in my house with me, a married man with four kids. I was in a right state. I just, I just... I, I wanted, I just didn't want to live anymore and I had everything that a man could want. There wasn't nothing that I didn't have. But it meant nothing, nothing meant anything. I felt worthless and the longer it went on, the, the, the more it, it hurt inside and the more I was hurting everybody. Everybody gave up on me. Me full family thought I was definitely gonna die and I was gonna kill meself.And after that, I, I tried... I was thinking to meself, "You know what? I need to get better. I need to, I need to do something." But every time I tried to go to the gym, I had another voice saying, "No. This ain't anymore. I'm not gonna do this." I didn't wanna do it. I'd run... I'd run 200 yards and pull up. I wouldn't even get a mile or anything. "Oh, can't be bothered. I don't wanna do this. Boxing is not for me." I hated boxing at one stage. (sniffs) In 2016, early '17, I wouldn't have done a boxing fight for this room full of Diamonds. No way. I hated boxing. I wouldn't watch it on the TV, I wouldn't read about it. I hated boxing. I'd done it me whole life, and I didn't want no part of it

Tyson Fury 19:05 anymore. (sniffs) And I was out drinking. I didn't care. Give up. Taking drugs, like I said. And it come to a point, I was doing that for 18 months of me life. (sniffs) And I was out, 2017, Halloween. I was, uh, 400 pounds, dressed up as a skeleton. And I goes to this fancy dress party and it... I'm looking around and I'm thinking, "These are all young kids compared to me." I'm 30 and I feel like I was the oldest guy in there, like 29. I was like, "What am I doing here? Is this what you want for your life?" And I thought to meself, "This is not me." And no matter how many people told me before this where I was going wrong, what I was doing, "You need to act your life," you can only change your life if you wanna change it. And I, I left and everyone said, "Are you going home early?" I said, "Yeah." I left at nine o'clock. I went home and I got back home, I didn't say anything to the wife. I ju- went straight upstairs into a dark room and I took the stupid skeleton suit off and I was... I was sat there. And I got on me knees and I was praying and begging God to help me. And at this point, I'd never... I'd never begged or cried to God to help me before. I prayed a lot all me life, but I'd never been in this physical state before. I could feel tears running down me face. Me chest was wet with tears 'cause I knew I couldn't do it on me own. It wasn't possible for me 'cause I'd tried and tried and tried and ended up back in the pub, back drinking. I almost accepted that that was gonna be my fate, an alcoholic. So I was on me knees in this bedroom. Um, after praying for about 10 minutes, I got up and I felt the weight of the world was lifted off me shoulders. And for the first time in years, I knew I was gonna make a comeback. And I called me wife, I said, "Paris, Paris." She said, "What?" She thought I was drunk coming home from the pub. I said, "Monday morning, I start the Regain mission to try and get the Heavyweight Championship of the World back." She said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Because before this, every time I'd have a beer, I'd come back and, "I'm gonna be the Heavyweight Champion of the World again," 'cause it was... it was the alcohol talking. So I was like the man who called wolf a thousand times on this, this stupid career that I... that I was living on the past, l- thinking about years before, glory days. And after this prayer, I got up, I said, "Right, this is gonna be it." She didn't believe me one second, but even when I speak to her now she says, "That night you told me that," she said, "I heard a difference in your voice. Something happened." Next day, I phoned up Ben Davison and I said, "I don't wanna go back down the old route with the same trainer, same promoter, same anything." I said, "Everything's gotta change." I says, "There's gotta be a new Tyson Fury." And we called it Return of the Mac mission. And as I went out that morning, after phoning Ben and ar- arranging everything, I went out for a run in me sweatsuit. I had... I had ambitions of running two miles. I got about five minutes into the run and stopped, and I walked. And while I was walking, I thought, "I can't run. I'm too fat, 400 pounds." But I thought, "I'm gonna walk. I'm gonna get out and walk." While I was walking, I was flicking through on me phone on Instagram and I sees this video of Deontay Wilder saying, "Yep, Tyson Fury's finally done now." Because the week before, I'd been at a boxing show in Manchester or something, and the press took a picture of me and it was like everywhere, this big, fat, out-of-shape, ugly, bald-headed, bearded, white-as-a-sheep man. And I was, like, a state. And he'd done this video. "Yep, after seeing this evidence of Tyson Fury, I finally know he's finished. He can never come back. And if he... even if I would've fought him in his heyday, I'd have knocked him out." And before that, he was talking about Mike Tyson, how he'd knocked Mike Tyson out in a round. And I thought to meself, "That's very disrespectful to talk about someone who's not even from your era and wanting to fight them and all that sort of stuff, when there's no possible chance." So, thought to meself, "You know what? If I ever do fight you, I'm gonna give it you for that reason." And then when I saw this other video of him saying the things about me and that I couldn't come back and that, it gave me that much more motivation to return just so I can beat Deontay Wilder. So, I had all these court cases on as well. I was being charged with taking performance-enhancing drugs, nandrolone, something I'd never done. I had... I had nandrolone in me system. It's produced naturally in the body, but they say my levels were elevated. The UKAD, UK Anti-Doping, said there was no case to answer. But all of a sudden, I had a big WADA case on me that took nearly three years to sort out. And by... A- a- and everyone said, "You're getting your n- hat nailed on here, son. You're getting a 12-year ban." And I said, "Do you know what?"

Joe Rogan 23:54 A 12-year ban-

Tyson Fury 23:55 12 years.

Joe Rogan 23:56 ... for nandrolone?

Tyson Fury 23:57 Not just for nandrolone. I... I refused them as well. I was in a bad mood one day and the drug testing people come in the gym and I told them to fuck off.

Joe Rogan 24:04 This is when you were training for your comeback?

Tyson Fury 24:06 This was when I was out of training, yeah, when I was just... All the time I was fat and out of shape and not training, I was still being randomly drug tested by UKAD.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Really?

Tyson Fury 24:16 That's why I tested positive twice for cocaine. And everyone said, "Nope, you're never getting back." The bo- the Boxing Border Control suspended me license in the UK for the cocaine, um, use. So I had a... a court case looking at ban fo- ban forever, basically. Suspension. The doctor made me medically unfit to fight.So that was after, I forgot about that bit. When I was rescheduling the Klitschko II fight, uh, this psychiatrist phoned up and he says, "Look, he is medically unfit. He can't fight anybody. He don't want to live, nevermind fight." So I was medically deemed unfit to box, suspended by the Boxing Board of Control for the cocaine use, and I had a nandrolone case on me, and a refusal case. And by the way, it was racking up millions of dollars in lawyer's fees too. But I was so confident that I was gonna ... everything was gonna be okay because when I was down on my knees, I just knew that it was gonna be okay. And everyone was like, "What's the point in training and doing anything with you when you're not- you can't do anything, you're not in a position to do it?" I said, "Everything is gonna be all right. Don't worry." Court case comes along in December, we'll go. They say, "Right, this court case is dragged on insufficient evidence. Get rid of it." We both agreed that we was gonna call quits on the case. I go my way, they go theirs. They pay their legal fees, I pay my legal fees. Done. That was a drugs case out the window, finished. The suspension, I- I had a meeting with the border control in the UK and they said, "Look, if- if you can get past medically fit by a doctor, mentally, then we'll reassess your case. Until then, denied." So I said, "Right, no problem." Phoned up the psychiatrist, the same people who we- who I'd spoke to, all these doctors, three or four different Dr. Phils, Dr. Jones, whoever else. Said, "Right, I need a- I need reassessing." Reassessed me, bang, passed, flying colors. I went back to the border control, handed in my certificate by all these different doctors, examinations, physical and mental. They said, "We have no other choice but to give your license reinstated." Bang. So it was three of the biggest obstacles in my life at once, were all done within a month or two, straight away. Then I just had the easy task of losing, uh, 160 pounds.

Joe Rogan 26:29 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 26:30 Which if I could have got over all them other things, losing weight as a fighter was something that I'd done natural anyway. So then, me and Ben set about losing this 160 pounds. And on the way back, I'd spoke to Frank Warren and he became my promoter. And Frank said, "Right. You've had a long time out the ring, you've abused your body. Let's get you four or five comeback fights, just so you're ready." I said, "Okay, no problem." Had the one combat fight, had the other combat fight. I said to Frank, "I don't need any more combat fights. Make the Wilder fight now."

Tyson Fury 27:02 "No, no, no, no, no," he said, "let's have a couple more, just in case." I said, "I'm telling you, make the Wilder fight." So this is where people don't understand. I've picked Deontay Wilder, he didn't pick me. I picked him.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Well, he needs a high profile opponent right now-

Tyson Fury 27:16 He does.

Joe Rogan 27:16 ... because it looks like ... I mean, I don't want to say that Joshua's ducking him, but it looked like he didn't-

Tyson Fury 27:22 I'll say that.

Joe Rogan 27:22 Yeah. There's something going on. He wa- who- whether it's his- his management or his promoter, they didn't seem to want that fight right away.

Tyson Fury 27:32 I know some quite close details on that. Um-

Joe Rogan 27:34 What is the detail?

Tyson Fury 27:35 The details is, um, Wilder's team offered Joshua's team $80 million for a two-fight deal. $50 million for the first fight and- and $30 million for the rematch if Joshua lost, and they declined that. And my lawyer, Robert Davis, he saw proof of funds from Al Haymon. So Eddie Hearn and his- his chum buddies can all say this, that, and the other, but I know the truth, 'cause proof of funds were seen.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Do you think it's because of when Klitschko knocked him down and had him hurt, they were worried about Deontay with his big power?

Tyson Fury 28:11 I don't think it's about either fighter. It's bigger than that. It's about money.

Joe Rogan 28:15 About keeping the money rolling in.

Tyson Fury 28:16 Keeping the golden goose laying them eggs, looking after it.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Right. Don't take any risks in fighting a guy like-

Tyson Fury 28:20 Thing is with- with Anthony Joshua, who's an Olympic gold medalist and in the UK, he's a massive star, he sells out stadiums, 70,000, 90,000.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Yeah. Huge star.

Tyson Fury 28:28 Huge star. Um, so why would you want to get him beat by somebody who nobody's really heard of?

Joe Rogan 28:35 Or even take a risk of it?

Tyson Fury 28:37 They took the risk in the Klitschko fight. It almost didn't pay off.

Joe Rogan 28:42 Right.

Tyson Fury 28:42 They scraped through skin of their teeth. But he done it. Fair play. He got up-

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 28:45 ... off the canvas, showed a champion's heart to come back and knock out Klitschko. Fair play. But since then, they haven't remotely stepped up at all.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 28:54 They fought Joseph Parker and he didn't knock Joseph Parker out, he didn't even hurt Joseph Parker. He fought Carlos Takam, had a hard fight with him.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Had a hard fight.

Tyson Fury 29:04 Hard fight. So they're just keeping that money train going.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Right.

Tyson Fury 29:08 And I don't blame them because this is a business at the end of the day.

Joe Rogan 29:11 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 29:12 And if I was his management team, I'd say, "Stay away from Fury, stay away from Wilder, and we'll just fight the rest of the people and keep making plenty of money." Why do we need to fight these guys who are very risky for maybe a little bit more than we're getting now? Two times more.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Right.

Tyson Fury 29:27 But in the long run, we can have five fights and not get beat by mediocre people who we know he's gonna beat, and get the same money or more. So it doesn't make sense. So this is why me and Wilder have agreed to fight, because at one time or another, it's got to be more than about money. Like we're fighters, we're- we're heavyweight champions of the world. Of course we've made money in our careers. I've had 28 professional fights, 27 professional fights. I've made money. It's m- it's about more than money now, surely. If I spend the money I've already earned wasted, then I'm stupid. Then 200 million would be no good to me because I'd spend it anyway.

Joe Rogan 30:01 Right.

Tyson Fury 30:02 Me dad always says, "A fool and his money is very easily parted." But that's another story for another day. Going back on to this fight, we owe it to the fans to give them a proper fight of two so-called people who think they're the best. Let's prove it. It wasn't a hard negotiation thing on this deal neither with me and Wilder. I hope he don't mind and I hope his team don't mind me saying that they were the most fairest, most straight-going people I've ever worked with.There was no if, buts, or maybes. Whatever I asked for, they agreed, and whatever he asked for, I've agreed to. There was no... it was no hard negotiations. It was very, very simple. I don't-

Joe Rogan 30:40 Well, Wilder clearly seems to want to prove that he's the best.

Tyson Fury 30:44 And I've got to admire him for that.

Joe Rogan 30:45 Yeah, I admire that as well. I mean, he's got a title, he's undefeated, he's smashing everybody they put in front of him.

Tyson Fury 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 And he has a legacy on his mind.

Tyson Fury 30:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:53 He wants to leave a real legacy.

Tyson Fury 30:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:55 This is why he looked to fight you.

Tyson Fury 30:57 Yeah. I, I believe that. I've gotta give Deontay Wilder a lot of credit and respect for that, and admiration, because it seems to be that he was the only man at the time, before I was even come back, who was willing to risk everything he's got to prove he's the best. And isn't that what fighting's about? Where men wanna prove they're the best of all the others?

Joe Rogan 31:16 No, he's absolutely d- behaving like a true champion. I mean, that's what everybody-

Tyson Fury 31:20 I believe so.

Joe Rogan 31:20 ... that's what fans want. They want a guy like that, and a guy like you.

Tyson Fury 31:24 I, I, I, I've gotta admire him because to pick me, a 6'9" mover who's slick and fast and can do awkward things, that's a awkward fight for him. He could've picked much easier opponents and made similar money, but he didn't. He opted for the toughest one, the most awkward test. I respect him for that and I take me hat off to him.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Well, I think this is gonna be a giant fight, I really do.

Tyson Fury 31:51 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 31:51 I mean, 'cause this is what everybody's been wanting for a long time. It's so difficult to get people excited about the heavyweight division. I mean, Joshua's a giant fan in the UK, but worldwide-

Tyson Fury 31:59 Not so much.

Joe Rogan 32:00 ... not so much. And Deontay Wilder, even though he's had these spectacular results, he needs that big thing to, to put him over the top. The Ortiz fight helped, but he needs something more to, to capture the real, the, the, the love of the American public, the love of the world. He just hasn't quite grabbed it yet.

Tyson Fury 32:19 He hasn't, and I do feel sorry for him in a way, because he has had 40 professional fights and knocked out nearly everybody he's fought.

Joe Rogan 32:27 It's been crazy. He should be a huge superstar.

Tyson Fury 32:28 He should be, but he's not. I go down the street, wherever I am, New York, Los Angeles, Big Bear, and if I ask 50 people, "Who's Deontay Wilder?" Maybe one might even recognize the name.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 32:39 And someone even said, "I recognize the name. Is he a ballplayer? Is he a hockey player?" I said, "No, he's heavyweight champion of the w- world."

Joe Rogan 32:46 It's crazy because he's a flashy dresser, he's a great talker, he knocks people into another fucking dimension, he's a wild guy to watch fight, he's very exciting. It's just, he's got all the... Ev- he's just waiting for the big moment, and maybe this fight is the big moment for one of you.

Tyson Fury 33:03 (clicks tongue) It is. Um, I, I do think it's something to do with the heavyweight division's been in Europe for the last, um, 15 years.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Yeah, and been put to sleep.

Tyson Fury 33:13 I believe that too.

Joe Rogan 33:14 You know? The thing, the thing about Klitschko is, even though he was very, very successful and his style was amazing, in terms of his success rate, goddamn, those fights were boring to watch. Nobody gave a shit about those fights.

Tyson Fury 33:26 Not outside Europe, but in Germany-

Joe Rogan 33:27 Germany, yeah.

Tyson Fury 33:28 ... he was this global phenomenon.

Joe Rogan 33:29 Well, they were just happy he lived in Germany and was speaking German.

Tyson Fury 33:32 He, he'd sell out 50,000, 60,000 fighting-

Joe Rogan 33:35 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 33:35 ... they're nobody.

Joe Rogan 33:36 I mean, it was a, uh, a wonderful investment for him. I mean, no disrespect to him, he's a great boxer for sure, but f- t- h- y- boxing is, it's entertainment as well as sport, especially for the casual person. You know, I mean, uh, if I watch, uh, a, a g- great boxer just, just, you know, box well and play it safe, I can be very impressed with that. But the a- average person is not gonna be impressed. You're not gonna get those-

Tyson Fury 34:02 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:02 ... pay-per-view dollars.

Tyson Fury 34:04 100%. Look, I can't sit here and pretend that most some of my fights have been the most exciting fights in the world, because my biggest fight in my whole career was a 12-round snoozefest. I'm, I'm man enough to say that.

Joe Rogan 34:19 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 34:19 I am a man of m- of honor and I will tell you the truth. I can't even watch that fight back, it was that boring.

Joe Rogan 34:24 I didn't think it was boring.

Tyson Fury 34:25 It was, to boxing people who know boxing, they know how hard what I was doing is to do as a heavyweight, and the skill and all that. But like you say, to the average Joe who knows nothing about boxing who wants to see two big men punch the shit out of each other, it was a boring fight. So, that's why Joshua gets more credit for his win over Klitschko, even though he got put down and really knocked out, than I did, and Klitschko didn't land a glove on me, because their fight was 50-50 and they was knocking lumps off each other.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 34:52 But my fight was like 80-20 in my favor, where I didn't get touched.

Joe Rogan 34:55 But that still was spectacular, in, in-

Tyson Fury 34:58 It was.

Joe Rogan 34:58 ... watching it as a, a fight fan. First of all, it was... no disrespect to Klitschko, but it was like finally, finally somebody figured this dude out.

Tyson Fury 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Because there had been moments where people had, you know, tested him a little bit, but i- it had been a long time before somebody had beaten him.

Tyson Fury 35:15 It had, it. It had been 11 years.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 35:17 Um, but that hasn't always been my style, boxing on the back foot, slipping and sliding. I adjust to different opponents. Wladimir had dynamite in his right hand, regardless of his boring style or whatever. If you made a mistake once in that fight, you get knocked out. Eddie Chambers, so many, Samuel Peters.

Joe Rogan 35:37 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 35:38 Everybody. The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on. Everybody knocked out, 65 knockouts.

Joe Rogan 35:43 And he would make you desperate because of that style, 'cause of that g- grab, jab and grab style. People would get desperate and they would open themselves up.

Tyson Fury 35:50 And then get knocked out.

Joe Rogan 35:51 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 35:51 And I didn't wanna be on that list of knockouts.

Joe Rogan 35:53 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 35:54 But I've been, I've been in fights where it's been total wars for as long as the fight lasted, i.e. the Steve Cunningham fight in 2013. I come out here all confident, run straight into an overhand right hand, down. I was looking up at Madison Square Garden roof, the lights, and I thought, "Oh, fuck me, it's now back to the farm, boy. Get up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:13 Was Cunningham a difficult opponent because he was shorter than you?

Tyson Fury 36:17 Cunningham, believe it or not, and this is gonna sound strange, Cunningham was the hardest fight I ever did have in me whole career, amateur or professional. The reason being, he was very slippery. The way I explain Cunningham, he was like a Conga reel all full of oil in front of me. I couldn't pin him down.

Joe Rogan 36:33 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 36:34 He was light on his feet. He was weighing 208 pounds or something.

Joe Rogan 36:37 He was a cruiserweight, right?

Tyson Fury 36:37 He was a, he was a three-time cruiserweight champion of the world, then he stepped up into heavyweights. He was a slick...... talented boxer and I, I tried to walk him down, use me size and power, but he was just outboxing me. What I'm good at, boxing, moving, slipping, and sliding, I couldn't do against Steve Cunningham because he was too... he was quicker than me. He wa- he was, he was like, he was a better boxer all around than me. I couldn't do nothing with him and he'd knock me over even though he was a light puncher, supposedly. I walked right onto it, come from the back of the hall, big over and right, right in the chin. And I thought, "This is it. US debut, I've been knocked out." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:15 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 37:15 I thought, "Tyson Fury, get up and kick his ass." So I got up and I just went straight forward at him, and I thought, "No more boxing now. I'm gonna hit him round the body, put him up through the middle, round the corners. You might be ahead on points, but sooner or later I'm gonna get you." And I did. In round seven, I felt him going weak 'cause I was pushing him back, pushing him back and he was hitting me gloves and hitting me face and hitting me everywhere basically. But I walked right through everything with me guard up and after he got tired, I hit him with a heavy body shot in round seven, and he didn't recover and then I pushed his head back and knocked him clean out with the right hand. That was the only time he was ever knocked out in his career, even to today.

Joe Rogan 37:51 It seemed like in that fight perhaps one of the more difficult things was adjusting to the fact that he was so much smaller than you, and then you-

Tyson Fury 37:57 Six, six foot three he was, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Yeah. Then you were just, it took you a while to adjust to that.

Tyson Fury 38:04 Like I say, I'm not gonna make any excuses. Steve Cunningham was a better boxer than me.

Joe Rogan 38:08 He was a very good fighter.

Tyson Fury 38:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:10 I mean, a small guy in- for the heavyweight division, but a very good fighter.

Tyson Fury 38:13 Very good. Like I say, the toughest man I ever faced was Steve Cunningham.

Joe Rogan 38:17 That's, uh, high praise. So when you decided that you were gonna make this comeback and you're dealing with all this, these mental health struggles, what did you do to overcome the mental health problems? What did you do to overcome the depression?

Tyson Fury 38:32 Like I say, when I got up off that floor I had a weight lifted off me and I had me mind set for the first time in two years that I wanted to do something again. I think the, the way to beat mental health is setting goals, giving yourself short term and long term goals, and that's what I did.

Joe Rogan 38:47 That's very interesting.

Tyson Fury 38:48 I gave meself a goal of losing the weight, just pound by pound basically. I set meself a 10 pound, um, target and I'd reach that and then I'd set myself another 10 pound, 15 pound, whatever. And I'd give meself little rewards and stuff. I wasn't obviously eating junk food and I was on a strict diet for, for six months, and I was training twice a day, six, seven days a week. But with the mental health, I don't suffer with mental health when I'm active and when I've got a goal. And I think most people will vouch for this. If you suffer with mental health problems, you tend to suffer 'em when you're on your own, when you've got a lot of time to think, and when you're not doing much. But when you're busy on a daily basis you don't have enough time to think about mental health and I figured out well, if I exhaust meself in the gym, I come home and I'm too tired to think about anything, I just wanna get some food and go to bed.

Joe Rogan 39:42 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 39:43 So that's what I do.

Joe Rogan 39:44 So you didn't use medication?

Tyson Fury 39:46 I didn't use medication, no.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Wow.

Tyson Fury 39:49 I was, I was prescribed with medication from the doctor but I refused to take it. I took a couple of pills, helped meself relax from the doctor, but I never took 'em again. I only ever took a couple.

Joe Rogan 40:03 What'd they give you?

Tyson Fury 40:04 I, I think it was like... it was either diazepam or triazepine or something like that, some-

Joe Rogan 40:07 Some antidepressant.

Tyson Fury 40:08 Some antidepressant pill, yeah. But I done research on 'em and I didn't like what I was seeing, like, and I knew my, uh, my grandfather, me dad's dad, he was addicted to pills his whole life, pills that didn't even do anything for him and they was placebo pills. But without 'em, he couldn't function.

Joe Rogan 40:24 Really?

Tyson Fury 40:26 So I didn't wanna become one of them. Me granddad had take pills and they didn't do anything to him, but in his own mind he thought they were doing something, calming him down and I didn't, didn't wanna be one of them people. There was a point in my life where I, hand on heart, thought I was gonna end up in a padded room. That's how bad it was.

Joe Rogan 40:50 But it's fascinating that you're saying that setting goals and setting your mind on things and hard training is what set you back on track.

Tyson Fury 40:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 You know, I don't know what you're like when there's no one in front of you but standing here in front of you right now I would say this is a, a healthy, vibrant guy.

Tyson Fury 41:06 100%. I've never felt better. Mentally strong, physically I'm training hard, I feel fit as a fiddle. You know, uh, I wouldn't be here if I was anything wrong with me.

Joe Rogan 41:15 But that's fascinating that most people think that to come back from a mental health issue like yours you need psychiatric care and you need medication, and you're saying you did it with setting goals and hard work.

Tyson Fury 41:27 And the biggest thing we're missing here is I didn't, I didn't do it with doctors and, um, all them type of things. I done it with something way more powerful. God.

Joe Rogan 41:38 So your faith and your belief.

Tyson Fury 41:40 Me faith and belief that God would make me better, made me better.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Almost like the faith and belief in-

Tyson Fury 41:45 And somebody who, who don't have any faith will think, "Oh, this is nonsense or whatever," but I'm living proof.

Joe Rogan 41:51 Well, if you believe in something...

Tyson Fury 41:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:52 I mean, just like you were talking about believing in pills that don't do anything, belief is a powerful thing whether... who knows what's behind that belief but what you're saying is so powerful that you, just by virtue of changing the way you think about things, setting goals, working hard, you lifted yourself out of the worst depression of your life to the point where you were suicidal.

Tyson Fury 42:16 100%. And I never ever went back to that from this day to that and it's been, been well over 12 months.

Joe Rogan 42:22 That's pretty amazing. I mean, it's just amaz- it's a- that's an amazing thing for people to hear because there's a lot of people that rely heavily on antidepressants and medication, they think that is the only way for them to be happy and for them to be not suicidal, not depressed, they need that medication and for them to hear what you're saying I think is a very powerful thing.

Tyson Fury 42:44 It is, but I'm no doctor. I'm not gonna tell people to chuck away your pills and-

Joe Rogan 42:48 Right. Right. Right.

Tyson Fury 42:51 ... and pray. But it, it doesn't do any harm, what I'm saying. Give it a whirl, give it a try. It can't hurt you. Set yourself some goals, think positive, and, uh, crack on, do a bit of training.

Joe Rogan 43:00 So from s- from accomplishing your ultimate goal, beating Klitschko, becoming the heavyweight champion and then falling into this deep funk, do you think you had to go through all this to come back again?

Tyson Fury 43:13 I think so, yeah. I believe I was being tested to s- to, to see what type of man I was and what type of character I had. And, you know, even before the depression, I didn't appreciate things. Nothing. Nothing was value to me. S- even something I'd worked hard for. If I'd worked hard and, and saved up for a car, just say, for five minutes it'd be okay but then I wouldn't want it anymore. It was a piece of shit. So nothing mattered to me. I didn't value anything. Anything that I had and I'd worked hard for an- and everyone knows, like, what I have is blood money because I pay for 'em in face and me body gets punched to pieces for what I have. So you'd think I'd appreciate things more than the next man but I didn't appreciate nothing. I didn't appreciate anything. Anything I had or achieved, even world championships, anything, I thought, "Is that it? Is that all?"

Joe Rogan 44:04 Is this your- your whole life has been like this?

Tyson Fury 44:06 Yeah. Yeah. So I believe I was taught... I was put down this road and I had to suffer all these things so I could understand when I had things good. Like today, I'm happy that I'm breathing fresh air and that I'm, I'm sat here in a mental- mentally stable way of thinking. I'm happy that I can go out and enjoy a dinner and just be normal, whatever that is.

Joe Rogan 44:30 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 44:30 That's what I'm happy for. I'm one of the most... Probably the most unique people you'll ever meet. I'm not m- I'm not orientated by material things and, and all that sort of... It means nothing to me. I don't even care about glory and honor. I don't care about legacies. I don't care about winning titles or, or, or medals. It doesn't matter. But when I set me mind to doing something, I'll do it. And every single time I've ever set me mind to anything, I've done it. Even the unthinkable things, if I set me mind to it, I've done it. I don't care about wanting what Deontay Wilder has in his position or whatever. I only wanna beat him in a fight, that's it.

Joe Rogan 45:12 You only wanna beat him because it's so difficult.

Tyson Fury 45:16 Not just that, because that's what I wanna do. I've set-

Joe Rogan 45:18 'Cause that's your goal.

Tyson Fury 45:19 ... set, set me goal, beating Deontay Wilder.

Joe Rogan 45:21 So do you think that that's the- your future is just setting goals and constantly trying to achieve those goals?

Tyson Fury 45:27 I think, I think I've got a bigger purpose now than boxing. Boxing's a sport and something that I've made a living out of for a long time. But I think there's a bigger picture, bigger than any, any winning any titles, bigger than winning any, any fights, any number of fights. I think my calling card in life is to spread the word on this, this disease, a silent killer. A k- a killer that's so ferocious that you can't see it or feel it from the outside. You could be suffering right now, but I wouldn't be able to see it because I can't see into your mind.

Joe Rogan 46:01 It's just so unusual that someone has that solution, that hard work, dedication and setting goals is what lifted you out of the depression and made you appreciate life and made you appreciate all the- all the aspects of it.

Tyson Fury 46:15 Yeah. I appreciate everything, you know, spending time with me family. I took it for granted before. I thought, "All right, I can spend time with me family any time I want." I, I couldn't put into words what I went through, but let me just say, I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy. Not that I have any enemies. But if I did, I wouldn't wish it on a soul because I know how hard it is and I know unless a person... Maybe not have got through and maybe not... A man without faith may would have took his own life.

Joe Rogan 46:46 Now that you have gotten through, do you feel like you have the solution now to navigate the rest of your life?

Tyson Fury 46:52 Yeah. I now know the secret for me, and everybody's will be different, but if I train every day and I stay in shape then I'll be happy forever. The time I stop training, the time I balloon back up again, the time it all goes wrong again and I know that. If you know something in your life, then you don't do it. And that's what I know. It's like a diabetic. If he goes and eats a load of sugar, he knows it's gonna make him ill so he don't do it. So as long as I always stay by them guidelines, I know I'm gonna be all right and that's the hell she wrote.

Joe Rogan 47:23 So as long as you... Well, that's the other thing too, right? The alcohol and the drugs exacerbate any sort of bad state that you have because you're gonna feel like shit.

Tyson Fury 47:33 Yeah. I'm not teetotal.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Right.

Tyson Fury 47:36 I- I've had a drink since I've been back. I've b- I've, I've been out with the lads, had drinks, whatever and-

Joe Rogan 47:42 But your goals are still set and strong?

Tyson Fury 47:44 Yeah. But as long as-

Joe Rogan 47:45 So that's really what it is.

Tyson Fury 47:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:48 So from now on you just have to continually set goals in your life?

Tyson Fury 47:51 Set goals, whatever them goals might be. They don't have to be massive goals but they can be anything really, anything that I wanna do or I wanna achieve or I wanna go some place or whatever and I, I work towards that and set meself a goal. It's almost like a little treat or whatever.

Joe Rogan 48:07 It's fascinating because no one's ever really connected that. I mean, people, people have made that connection in terms of, like, when they study happy people, one of the things they find about happy people is they're goal-oriented people. They set goals to accomplish, those people. But no one has ever really set that as a remedy for depression and for mental health issues. Setting goals, achieving those goals, that's the key to keep it going.

Tyson Fury 48:29 I believe that's the case, yeah. After doing quite a lot of research on, on meself and experiencing it and it, it works for me and I- I find it works for a lot of people I speak to who's got the same problems. I get messages from all o- all over the world from different types of sportspeople and different type of people.... asking for information and, and help on how I, I got through mine, and what I did. And, and I'm happy to, I'm happy to help. So if there's anybody out there who's struggling in silence, which a lot of people are, then I'm always here to help if I can.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Well, it's such an impressive and inspiring message because you're doing it without medication. You're doing it just through positive thinking, through goal setting, and through healthy living.

Tyson Fury 49:07 That's right. And I believe it's the best, best way to live anyway. Best way to live is fit and healthy. When you're out of shape and you feel unfit and you feel terrible, then nothing's gonna go right for you.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Right.

Tyson Fury 49:17 But if you feel fit, you feel good.

Joe Rogan 49:21 It's almost natural to feel depressed if your body is literally depressed.

Tyson Fury 49:26 If every time I go to the gym and do a little bit of training, whether it be a lot or a little, I always go out of the shower and, and think, "I feel great now," training sets off an endorphin in your blood-

Joe Rogan 49:36 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 49:36 ... that makes you happy. Contentment is the word we're looking for. Contentment doesn't come from material stuff, jobs, positions, fame, glory, money, anything. Contentment, you'll never find contentment while you're chasing that sort of stuff. My message would be, look around yourself and be thankful for what you do have today. Don't look for what you don't have. You know, you gotta be ha- be happy with who you are. And a wise man once said, "You gotta know yourself before you can know anybody else." Study yourself, try and understand yourself. Think what makes you happy and do that, and what makes you sad, don't do it. It's very simple, really. If something makes me sad now, then I'm not gonna do it anymore. Take that out of my life, I don't want that. And if you know something is gonna lead you down the wrong way and the wrong path in life, don't do it. Simple. Very simple. Set yourself small time goals, long time goals, achieve them, and move on.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Now, how long did it take you, for you to lose the weight?

Tyson Fury 50:35 I started training in November 2017.

Joe Rogan 50:40 400 pounds.

Tyson Fury 50:41 Yeah, and I-

Joe Rogan 50:41 Can't run.

Tyson Fury 50:43 I got down to 275 pounds in me first fight back in June. And by August in me second fight back, I was 258 pounds. And I've, I've maintained that weight, 260, 258.

Joe Rogan 51:00 That's your ideal weight?

Tyson Fury 51:01 Yeah, from there to now.

Joe Rogan 51:04 So, um, what did you do different with your diet? Like, what did you...

Tyson Fury 51:09 I was eating a lot and drinking a lot. I just stopped all that sort of stuff. Like, my weight wasn't put on through being a normal person eating normally. My weight was put on through excessive drinking of lager.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Hmm.

Tyson Fury 51:22 There's like 500 calories in one pint of beer. And I'd go out and I'd drink a minimum of 18 of those beers.

Joe Rogan 51:29 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 51:30 Followed by whiskey-

Joe Rogan 51:32 Ugh.

Tyson Fury 51:32 ... vodka, everything else. Then I'd stop off on the way home and have pizzas, kebabs, chocolates. It was excessive living. If you put your body through torture, you can't expect to feel great.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Right.

Tyson Fury 51:46 So what I did was I started eating healthy, not drinking. And that was it, really. I just trained on a daily basis for a long period of time and, and et- et sensible and clean. Don't have to cut everything out, but if you want faster results, then, then you do it.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Now, you said you changed your training as well. What did you change up?

Tyson Fury 52:07 Before, I was doing a lot of, um, long running and long boxing works, like 12, 15 rounds on the bag, pad work, all that sort of stuff. Wherein while I was trying to lose the weight, I was doing more short, explosive stuff. Like, I was doing short, faster runs, as, as fast as I could go basically. Um, I would do more interval training and stuff like that. Mainly it was, uh, focusing on diet though. Diet is the most important thing for any- anybody trying to lose weight. You could train like a Trojan warrior, but not eat correct and you go three steps forward and two and a half back.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Right.

Tyson Fury 52:44 And you find yourself after six months a little bit less than you was, but you stay in the same position. Because with the diet, not that I'm a dietician, but I know how, I know how it works with losing weight heavy, because all the way through my career I put on a lot of weight. I lost a hundred, hundre- just, just over 100 pounds for the Klitschko fight the first time round. And I'd lost over a hundred, 125, 120 something pound before that again. So what I do to lose weight is I go on a no carbs diet. So, it will be totally keto, ketosis diet. I put me body into keto shock. And they say you should stay, if you're doing a keto diet, you should only do it for 11 days. I do it for six to eight weeks.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Who said you should only do it for 11 days?

Tyson Fury 53:26 I, I read it somewhere.

Joe Rogan 53:28 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 53:28 My nutritionist, yeah, he said, "No."

Joe Rogan 53:30 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 53:30 He said, "You can only do this diet for 11 days." I said, "I've already been on it six weeks."

Joe Rogan 53:34 You need a new nutritionist.

Tyson Fury 53:34 Don't worry about it.

Joe Rogan 53:35 That's ridiculous.

Tyson Fury 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:37 You could do it. I know guys who've done it for years.

Tyson Fury 53:39 There you go. It's-

Joe Rogan 53:39 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 53:39 ... it's a healthy way of living. It, it prevents diabetes and all these type of things as well.

Joe Rogan 53:43 There's definitely some benefits to it, but there's concerns that for athletic performance that you should have higher carbohydrates.

Tyson Fury 53:50 True, but at this time I was just focusing on losing weight.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Right.

Tyson Fury 53:53 And the, the keto diet done correct is okay, but I was doing it dirty.

Joe Rogan 53:58 How were you doing it?

Tyson Fury 53:59 I was having four double pates with cheese and mayonnaise.

Joe Rogan 54:04 (laughs) Is that bad?

Tyson Fury 54:07 Full of fat and grease and it can't be good for your arteries, can it?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Well, this is a long conversation.

Tyson Fury 54:11 I, I was having, I was having tons of meat, fried.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 54:14 Fried up with-

Joe Rogan 54:15 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 54:16 ... cheese, mayonnaise, bacon, eggs, sausage, whatever.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Sounds good.

Tyson Fury 54:20 My ideal diet basically.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 54:22 I was thinking, "This can't be a diet. I'm not gonna lose weight on this." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:24 And you lost weight.

Tyson Fury 54:25 I lost the weight, I lost it all.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah. Yeah, you'd be stunned at what is actually healthy and what's not. Yeah.

Tyson Fury 54:31 I suppose you can't go wrong if you're cooking meat. What's in a meat? Whatever they put in, in the, the beef or whatever it is you're eating. And processed foods are the, are the ones that got all the additives and all the stuff in it, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 54:43 Processed foods and sugar and bread and carbohydrates.

Tyson Fury 54:46 I-

Joe Rogan 54:46 Especially refined carbohydrates and pasta.

Tyson Fury 54:48 What I figured out in my, uh, life is I don't avoid fats.Fats, my friend, basically. If I look at a food, someone's on a diet, they look at the fat content in something. I don't, I look in the sugar.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Right.

Tyson Fury 55:01 Because the fat, I can burn fat off, but sugar will go in, it stores in the body and it stays in longer and i- and it eventually turns to fat.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Did you change anything in terms of your strength and conditioning work or your boxing work? Like did you, did you hire a new boxing trainer?

Tyson Fury 55:16 Yes. I've not got the same trainer as I did have before. I-

Joe Rogan 55:20 And why did, why did you switch things up?

Tyson Fury 55:22 Because I was stale in the gym. I didn't have no motivation no more being ... I'd done the same thing for years. And I didn't have any more motivation in the gym. I had to have a new, new team. And I knew this going into this, um, come- comeback that I wanted a new team. I wanted to start fresh, give meself some goals, give meself s- a new team, more positivity instead of doing the same stuff day in, day out. Switch up the trainer, and I did. Choice of trainer was very, very controversial as well.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Who'd you go with?

Tyson Fury 55:52 I went with an unknown trainer who was 24 years old, who'd never trained anybody.

Joe Rogan 55:57 Why'd you do that?

Tyson Fury 55:58 Because ... I'll tell you the story. He was helping out Billy Joe Saunders who was over in Marbella, Spain.

Joe Rogan 56:03 Big fan of that guy, I like that guy.

Tyson Fury 56:05 Yeah. I like that guy too. And he was helping out Billy Joe and he was an amateur boxer before Ben. He had about 12 fights and he, he ... Billy Joe, he was helping Billy Joe for a few years. And we went over to Marbella and we was out in a bar. I was training at this time during the 17 hours, I had two weeks training with Billy Joe over in Spain. He said, "Will you come out and keep me company in Spain?" I said, "Yeah, of course I will. Marbella, let's go." I never had any intentions of training.

Joe Rogan 56:33 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 56:33 I went over there for a good drink up and a party.

Joe Rogan 56:35 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 56:37 So gets out there and we're all in the coffee shop on the, on the Puerto Banus, and these two stunners were walking past in bikinis. I mean, 10 out of 10 each. And I said to Ben Davison, I said, "If you go and get me their numbers, Ben," I said, "You can be my boxing trainer." He went, "What?" I said, "You heard me correct the first time." So off he went after these two, two good-looking girls. 20 minutes goes by, he comes back, no number. I said, "Right." I said, "Clearly you're not the man for me," I said, "Because the trainer I need has to have minerals."

Joe Rogan 57:14 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 57:16 I said, "And if you can't get a woman's number," I said, "Well, you not clearly can't win fights, can you? Simple." He went, "What? I'll show you." Offed off all in a mood. Two minutes later he comes back, there's the number, bang. Straight over. I said-

Joe Rogan 57:30 He had excellent motivation.

Tyson Fury 57:31 He hired.

Joe Rogan 57:33 You h- you hired him because he got hot girls' phone numbers?

Tyson Fury 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Mm.

Tyson Fury 57:37 I hired him for that reason, not just the, the hot girls' phone numbers. That wasn't the case. It was the case that he was willing to put himself on the line to prove to me that he could do something that takes minerals. And if you don't have any confidence, then you can't go over to somebody who's really good-looking and say, "Oh, my name's Ben."

Joe Rogan 57:54 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 57:54 "And their ... my mate wants your number. Is that possible?" Like he wouldn't have got the number if ... he didn't-

Joe Rogan 57:58 Right.

Tyson Fury 57:59 ... have any confidence and he didn't have any gumption to him. Wouldn't have got that number. So I knew he was a good choice because he was young and fresh and had a point to prove, and he wanted to do something with his life. And I gave him that opportunity. And it was the best decision I ever made.

Joe Rogan 58:13 Now, what about what he knows about boxing? Obviously that played a factor. If he's just some random schmoe who's good at getting-

Tyson Fury 58:20 No.

Joe Rogan 58:20 ... girls' numbers.

Tyson Fury 58:21 No, he, he wouldn't be the trainer if it was just that. We ... before this, he was taking me on the pads and stuff in between Billy Joe's sessions and we gelled straight away. Me and Ben think alike. Sometimes you meet people in your life and you're very similar in, in personalities and we like the same things, we like to do the same things, got the same type of personality. We just gelled automatically. I gelled, even before I said this about the number of the girls, I already knew that I was gonna make Ben me trainer. He's got a very keen eye for boxing and what he does is, is very ... he doesn't look like he knows a lot about boxing. By looking, he just looks like a young lad, good-looking fella. But when you sit down and analyze the fighters, he studies boxing day and night. We'll be out watching movies after the training, Ben's in his room watching Deontay Wilder, watching the fights, watching this, watching that. He studies the game and he's always coming up with different game plans on how to beat this person, how to beat that person. Very, very happy. He's a very knowledgeable young lad. And I said before I even made him my coach, I said, "Within five years you're gonna be one of the leading boxing trainers in the world." And now he's got his chance. And if I beat Deontay Wilder, Ben Davison will win Ring Magazine Trainer of the Year 2018.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Now, how much different is your training with him than with your last trainer?

Tyson Fury 59:45 (inhales) I- i- it's different. Peter was a top trainer. He got me to be World Heavyweight Champion. But like I said, we never had no more motivation in the gym. It was stale. There was no, there was no vibe in the gym. It was just like work again. I didn't wanna be there. I'd start training camp a few times and walked out the gym every time because I didn't want to be in the gym. I didn't have no motivation to be there. So the, the most ... the main thing is boxing is boxing, ain't rocket science. You can only do a few things. I think the most important things in boxing is road work, pad work and sparring. Everything else, not interested. My favorite thing to do is spar. And I think what better to do than practice what you do with another person fighting other men? And that's me, that's me favorite thing. And I've often sparred hundreds of rounds for fights to get fit and lose weight. James Toney used to do that too. He used to spar hundreds and hundreds of rounds to get his self fit, and that's what I've done as well. That's me favorite thing. But now we do a lot of strength and conditioning work. We do a lot of weights and stuff. Uh, I figured out over a year, being around, like American fighters and stuff, especially the boxers, they don't have that like, that w- that c- that, um, program of weights and stuff. It's more like maybe light weights, loads of repetitions and stuff. And be- and being a heavyweight-I, I lift heavy weight, very heavy weights. I'm deadlifting very heavy weights, I'm benching heavy weights. I'm using me body weight in a lot of stuff. So I believe it's very, very key factor in being a big, strong man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 So, he's responsible for that as well?

Tyson Fury 1:01:18 No, I have another guy who does that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 You have another guy who does strength and conditioning work?

Tyson Fury 1:01:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 One of the things about a boxing trainer is knowing when to pull you back, knowing when you're peaking.

Tyson Fury 1:01:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 And that mostly comes from long-term success working with many, many fighters. That's gotta be one of the biggest chances you take with a young guy.

Tyson Fury 1:01:38 It is, but I put him to the test many, many times. And he does, he can see it. Sometimes being a successful trainer, doing successful things and making champions, and then you go work with that trainer and you think, "You don't know nothing." That's mad. I've worked with a few trainers who've fault that. I'm not gonna go into any names because that'd be disrespectful. But Ben knows when I'm feeling good. My style is all about feel good factor. And if I feel good, I'll fight excellent. And if I'm not feeling un- under the weather, then I'll feel, I'll, I'll fight rubbish.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Do you know when... Like, when you show up at the gym and you're feeling like shit, do you know when to back outta there?

Tyson Fury 1:02:18 You know, often I've went to the gym not wanting to be in the gym and felt like shit, but then had the best training session of me life. That's happened many, many times. Until you're actually working out and getting to the, into the groove, I don't think you can really know what you're gonna feel like until you start training because-

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 1:02:34 ... if you went on how you felt before the gym sometimes, then you wouldn't be in the gym at all.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Right.

Tyson Fury 1:02:39 But I do believe what you said is very correct. And it's the most important thing that anybody's ever talked about to me. And I'm glad that you brought it up because not a lot of people have that ability to know when to pull your fighter back, enough is enough. A lot of people think because it's a bigger fight than your last one, you gotta train double as hard. "You training harder than you've ever trained before?" No. "Are you running further? You're lifting heavier?" No, because I already train hard, so I don't need to train any harder. Where some people think, "Right, this is wild a fight. We need to be fitter than ever. We need to run up a mountain carrying a backpack on me back and pull three bulls up there and wrestle two bears."

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:03:16 But it's not the case. And Ben knows that's not the case. He's very cautious. I've mentioned it to him many, many times about overtraining, overtraining, overtraining. How many times do you see fighters leave it all in the gym?

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Quite a bit.

Tyson Fury 1:03:29 I don't wanna leave this in the gym. I wanna leave it in the ring on the night. I'd rather be a little bit unfit, a lot unfit rather, than, than a tiny bit overtrained. I've been overtrained and it's like being underwater. You've got no snap, you can't put things together. You want to, you can, you can see it coming but you can't do nothing about it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 It's worse than unfit-

Tyson Fury 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 ... because you're, you're compromised.

Tyson Fury 1:03:52 I've been overtrained before and I've been totally unfit, fat as anything. And I'd rather be unfit 10 times a day than overtrain once. You can't do nothing when you're overtrained, but at least when you're unfit you lose your breath, but you re- you recover when you have a rest and you get back at it again.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:04:08 But overtrained, you're just one pace, you can't do nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 You never get out of the mud.

Tyson Fury 1:04:12 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Now, you have a strength and conditioning coach and how often do you do that?

Tyson Fury 1:04:16 We do that, uh, five days a week.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 You do... Wow.

Tyson Fury 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 That's quite a bit. Are you running?

Tyson Fury 1:04:22 Yeah. We run, we run three times a week.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 So you're running three times a week, strength and conditioning five times a week, and on top of that, all your boxing work.

Tyson Fury 1:04:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Wow.

Tyson Fury 1:04:30 We box six days a week.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Wow. That's a lot of work.

Tyson Fury 1:04:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Now, you're, you're doing deadlifts and bench press and, uh, I mean, how... Is this a guy that's worked with other boxers before?

Tyson Fury 1:04:42 I've worked with this guy for three years. Um, when I first started working with him, he, he'd worked with boxers before, yeah? A lot of local boxers and, and British boxers. But he'd never worked with a heavyweight before and he didn't know what he was doing because everyone makes the same mistake, they're only humans, they'll train a heavyweight like they would train a lightweight. They're not boxing trainers, they're strength and conditioning trainers. So he was trying to make... In the beginning, he was trying to make me do something that a 10 stone, uh, 145 pound guy was doing. It's not possible, it's a different world. But only through experience did he realize what w-, what we need to do and what we don't need to do. And now he's like, it's perfect, I wouldn't change him for the world. And I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have him because I'd have to go and go through all that same learning process again. And it's not just heavyweights, it's heavyweight boxing. Because I had this guy, this Mr. Olympia guy, and he used to train some massive guys, 350 pounds, solid muscle. But he didn't know anything about boxing. And you... Boxing is a performance sport. It don't matter if you look like an Adonis, but you, you can't do five rounds. It's pointless. I'd rather look fat and be able to do 12 rounds on me head than look like an Adonis and be fucked after five.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Yeah, no doubt.

Tyson Fury 1:06:01 I've knocked out plenty of six packs in my day, don't worry about that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:06:04 But I'm, I'm still waiting to be knocked out as a fat pig. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 (laughs) Now, uh, training for Deontay Wilder, what have you done different?

Tyson Fury 1:06:13 To be honest, we haven't done anything different. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Is he the tallest, longest guy you've ever fought?

Tyson Fury 1:06:19 I think him and Klitschko are the same, same size.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 1:06:22 Mm. I think Klitschko might have had longer arms maybe or maybe not, I dunno. But he, he's up there anyway. If he isn't, he's, he's the second tallest I've ever fought. But every tall guy I've ever faced, the taller the better for me. I don't know why, but I seem to be able to move better than them. They're taller and heavier. My ideal opponent would be like tall as anything and heavy, because then they don't move as quick and they can't turn good at all and they're, they're stiff.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Well, what's unusual about you is that you're a tall guy who's m- who moves like a guy who's not tall.

Tyson Fury 1:06:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 And that... Most tall guys have that advantage of long- length and utilization of that length. They're very good at judging distance and they have that advantage. But what you're doing is you're moving around a lot on top of being tall, which you could see with Klitschko, it was v- very off-putting like right away. He didn't know how to fuck with your timing.

Tyson Fury 1:07:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 It was...You know, that's, that's a giant advantage.

Tyson Fury 1:07:19 It is. Uh, all me life growin' up I used to watch all the great American heavyweight champions of the world. (smacks lips) With me bein' European, there's a stigma about European fighters: they're stiff.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 Mm.

Tyson Fury 1:07:29 They can't move. They're just strong. I agree. I agree. 90% of European fighters are stiff robots who just do a lot of conditioning work and lift a lot of heavy weights, and they go in there tryin' to do one thing: one, two, left hook, right hand, take four or five shots back. I didn't wanna do that. I wanted to have European conditioning with American style, the best of both worlds. And I believe that's what I've got. I've got the brashness and the movement and the speed of an American fighter, but I've got the European conditioning and core strength. Best of both worlds.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 Now, when you think about a guy like Deontay Wilder, who's got this wild style and tries to knock you out with every, with every punch, are you doing anything different, without giving away your strategy coming into this fight, are you doing anything different in terms of your preparation or in terms of the way you shadow box or move or train?

Tyson Fury 1:08:23 (sighs) Not really, no. Um... (smacks lips) How can I explain this without sounding like a clown? (smacks lips) I'll try me best. Deontay Wilder is a one-trick pony. I don't need to do anything special to beat him. I just need to be meself. Deontay Wilder's looking for one right hand all night.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 It's a good trick though.

Tyson Fury 1:08:47 It's a good trick-

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:08:48 ... but we all know what happens when that trick don't land.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:08:51 You've lost.

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 1:08:53 You need more than one punch to beat me. You need to be able to set it up with footwork, speed, feints, movement, and he doesn't have any of that. If the great Klitschko, who had excellent footwork and ability to set that big punch up, couldn't do it, what chance has the big swinger got of doing it? If I get hit by a swinging right hand as a serve knocking out, it's my fault. I want it to knock me out. If I let Wilder swing one of those wild punches from the back of the hall and hit me and knock me out, then I'd, I'll say, "Thank you very much. You put me out my misery. God bless you, Wilder." Because obviously, I can't be a great fighter that I think I am if I'm getting knocked out by swinging punches. It's just not possible. I don't take big shots anymore. Years ago, for... before, pre-2013, I used to take everything, bang in the face. Would try and walk through and use my sheer strength, size, and aggression, had heart and determination to get through everything. But as I stepped up in levels, I realized that wasn't gonna get me anywhere but a good hiding, a good punching in the face.

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:09:52 So I changed me style to boxing and moving, slippin' and slidin'. And I'm... Y-... People have never seen me take any big shots because I'll just ride 'em. Bit like Muhammad Ali used to do. He used to take the shots and the gloves would go with it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 Mm-hmm.

Tyson Fury 1:10:03 Slip, slide, roll. Even the... As powerful as George Foreman was, he was the heavy favorite going in. He knocked out Frazier, and Frazier beat Ali, and he had f- great fights over 15 rounds. It didn't help him in that fight because he used his greatest asset against him. And if I can use Deontay Wilder's own power against him, then I've won. He's looking for one punch. I'm not. So there we go. And I don't believe... If he can't land that punch, he's lost every round. Even his, uh, promoter, Lou DiBella, said recently, he said, "If he doesn't knock Tyson down and knock him out, I don't see how he can win."

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 Now, I don't want you looking past this. But let's just say you beat Deontay Wilder. How do you talk Joshua into a fight?

Tyson Fury 1:10:48 I don't. Because you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 So what do you do after this?

Tyson Fury 1:10:54 I don't do nothing. I sit back, retire, go up to 450 pounds this time.

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 No! Don't do that again. (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:11:01 (laughs) And get back on the drink. Hell yeah!

Joe Rogan 1:11:03 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:11:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 What do you do? I mean, you don't wanna-

Tyson Fury 1:11:07 Listen-

Joe Rogan 1:11:07 You don't wanna become depressed again. You need goals.

Tyson Fury 1:11:09 I don't, I don't want to.

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 What do you do?

Tyson Fury 1:11:12 I just gotta keep training. But like I say, I only set one goal at a time, and I don't care about anything else other than beating Wilder. And after I beat De Wilder, I probably am gonna be depressed again.

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 No, no, no. Fuck that.

Tyson Fury 1:11:22 I hope to God I'm not.

Joe Rogan 1:11:23 No, no, no. Fuck that. Yeah-

Tyson Fury 1:11:24 But-

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 Get that outta your head, man.

Tyson Fury 1:11:27 But I don't know. You never know. Listen-

Joe Rogan 1:11:28 You never know, but you can stop yourself. Like, you've already brought yourself back.

Tyson Fury 1:11:31 Yeah, I have. But you never know what's around the corner for you, and I don't wanna look past Deontay Wilder and think about what I'm gonna do after that.

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 Right.

Tyson Fury 1:11:38 When I, when I beat Deontay Wilder, I wanna let him fight Joshua. He keeps talking about this Joshua fight, it's the one he keeps wanting. So I'm gonna let him go fight him. Go fight each other. There you go. There you go. Take what's yours, go fight each other. Come back in another three years when you find someone who you think can beat me again.

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 Well, if he beats Joshua, that would be spectacular for a rematch, right?

Tyson Fury 1:12:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 And if he doesn't beat Joshua, then it's almost like Joshua kinda has to fight you.

Tyson Fury 1:12:05 If he doesn't beat Joshua, he'll say, "Yeah, it was a better Wilder than Fury fought."

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:12:10 "He didn't throw any punches against Fury."

Joe Rogan 1:12:12 (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:12:13 Ah, it is what it is, you know? You know, you can't please everybody in boxing, and the fight game's a pretty fickle game. Everybody likes somebody and don't like the next person. And you know, the way I see... I saw Roy Jones say something recently, um, an old video it was. He said, "If Jesus Christ Himself wasn't liked, what chance have I?"

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 I saw that video. (laughs)

Tyson Fury 1:12:35 I thought, "You know what? That is so true."

Joe Rogan 1:12:38 Roy is a smart man.

Tyson Fury 1:12:39 100%, very smart man.

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:12:41 And a very great, legendary boxer, one of the greatest of all times, in my opinion.

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 Yeah.

Tyson Fury 1:12:45 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:12:46 I'm talking with his people to get him in here.

Tyson Fury 1:12:48 You you need to get him on.

Joe Rogan 1:12:49 I'm a giant-

Tyson Fury 1:12:49 He's very knowledgeable on the boxing game.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 ... giant fan. Yeah, giant fan of that guy.

Tyson Fury 1:12:52 I was, I was with him a couple of months ago-

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 Plus, I wanna talk to him about Russia. He's a Russian citizen now.

Tyson Fury 1:12:57 Yeah?