JRE MMA Show #49 with Miriam Nakamoto

1. 0:00 – 1:55

   Snackomoto origins & the toll of fighting: four knee surgeries

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Okay, here we go. Four, three, two, boom. And we're live. Hello, Miriam.

   2. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:09

      Hi, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Good to see you.

   4. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:10

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Grab this, uh, mic and keep it like a fist from your face. That's a good reference point.

   6. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:16

      Is this good?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Perfect.

   8. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:17

      It's k- okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Perfect.

   10. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:19

       Do I just set it up like that?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah. Good to see you.

   12. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:21

       (laughs) So good to see you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Goo- I'm sad that you can't sell these snacks everywhere because I know you're, you're working on making these mass-produced, but they're fucking fantastic.

   14. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:29

       Uh-huh. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       They're very good.

   16. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:30

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       When did you first give me some of these? Like five years ago or some shit?

   18. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:33

       2014?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Something like that?

   20. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:35

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah.

   22. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:38

       Yeah. Yeah, my knee, uh, blew out. I just had surgery, and I needed something to do, so I-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       That was knee number one?

   24. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:45

       The second one.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       That was the second one?

   26. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:47

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   28. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:48

       And that was ... And I've had two more since.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       (coughs) Mmm.

   30. MNMiriam Nakamoto0:50

       So I've had four total.
2. 1:55 – 4:42

   Orthovisc injections, ibuprofen risks, and inflammation cycles

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      I saw you getting a bunch of fluid on Instagram shot into there. What is that all about?

   2. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:00

      I think it was like Orthovisc.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      What is that?

   4. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:02

      Did not help.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      No?

   6. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:03

      But that was a waste of money. That was, yeah, that was-

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      It was like a f- like a gooey fluid.

   8. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:08

      Yeah, it was like, like padding.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Oh, is that what the idea is?

   10. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:10

       It's like padding. But what was, what was really nice was I got a straight shot of ibuprofen in there. That felt amazing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       (inhales deeply)

   12. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:16

       Yeah, like three months worth of ibuprofen. Just shot it right in there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Really?

   14. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:19

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       That shit is so bad for you though.

   16. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:21

       Is it? Or is it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       Yeah.

   18. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:21

       ... it felt really good?

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       Yeah, I tell-

   20. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:23

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       ... everybody stay the fuck away from ibuprofen.

   22. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:25

       Really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah. Dr. Rhonda Patrick was the first t- person that alerted me to it, the increased rees of, r- uh, risk of strokes and heart attack and, and then, um-

   24. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:34

       Mmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       ... my friend Cam Hanes, who's an ultra-marathon runner-

   26. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:37

       God damn it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       He, um, he was taking 800 milligrams a day every day.

   28. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:41

       Okay. For how long?

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Forever.

   30. MNMiriam Nakamoto2:43

       That's a lot.
3. 4:42 – 7:31

   Why grapplers break down differently than kickboxers (and the Rob Kaman tangent)

   1. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:42

      Ah, k- the kicks don't bother me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      Yeah, I bet it isn't the kicks, right? I, I think-

   3. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:46

      Mm-mm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:46

      I think about that like, it is grappling, right? That is the thing-

   5. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:49

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:49

      ... that puts the most wear on your-

   7. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:51

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      If you talk ... Like if you meet like old kickboxers, I mean some of them have brain damage for sure.

   9. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:56

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       But their bodies aren't as broken down as old grapplers.

   11. MNMiriam Nakamoto4:59

       No. They might be hobbling a little bit.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Yeah.

   13. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:00

       You know, their toes might kind of ... You've seen Rob? Rob Kaman. Remember him?

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Oh yeah. Rob's were all fucked up.

   15. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:04

       Yeah, his toes are like ... (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Rob's foot look, looked like he jumped into a pool that was empty-

   17. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:10

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       ... and landed on his big toe. (laughs)

   19. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:13

       (laughs) Yeah. Uh-huh. All of them.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       But when you're a guy like Rob who's been kicking shins and-

   21. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:18

       Ah, he's badass.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       ... elbows and-

   23. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:20

       He is so badass.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       ... for so long, he's amazing.

   25. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:22

       I, I ... It sucks. It hurts my heart that, uh, he missed the, um, the, the curve.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:28

       He missed the, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       The fame wave.

   29. MNMiriam Nakamoto5:30

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Yeah, yeah.
4. 7:31 – 11:36

   Punching mechanics in Muay Thai vs boxing: rotation, posture, and MMA integration

   1. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:31

      I love how he set down those punches like a boxer.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:34

      Hmm.

   3. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:34

      And, like, shifting his weight. 'Cause there's... I don't see a lot of kickboxers that do that well.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:42

      Yeah, well, he-

   5. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:42

      They're still here.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      Right.

   7. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:44

      And then they rotate, rotate, but they don't... He's, like, really kinda getting in here, you know-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:47

      Yeah.

   9. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:47

      ... like a boxer would.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Do you think that's because when you do dig down you're, you're sort of compromising your ability to throw kicks for a brief moment?

   11. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:55

       Um.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       Because you're really digging in. But he's knowing, he knows when to do it too.

   13. MNMiriam Nakamoto7:59

       Yeah. It's when-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       It's his fight IQ, right?

   15. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:01

       Yeah. It's knowing when to do it, and it's also... (sighs) I, I... It's my pet peeve with Muay Thai. Look at him. (laughs) My pet peeve with Muay Thai is when they throw punches, they kinda come up.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:13

       Mm-hmm.

   17. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:14

       It's, like, very triumphant-looking, isn't it?

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       Right.

   19. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:16

       It's like uh, uh, and it's like, that doesn't make any fucking sense.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Yeah.

   21. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:18

       'Cause you won't punch with power. Not the same power.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       Yeah.

   23. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:21

       Um, and you can't get out of the way. You're committed-

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       Why do you think they do that?

   25. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:25

       ... to do this. I don't think... I just think they weren't taught well.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Hmm.

   27. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:27

       I wasn't.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       Yeah.

   29. MNMiriam Nakamoto8:28

       I just recently started ch- changing my style, you know. But, um, when you kick, you're up. You kinda come up into the kick, you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Mm-hmm.
5. 11:36 – 15:20

   Cyborg’s dual nature, the champion “switch,” and Miriam’s early aggression stories

   1. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:36

      Um, yeah. Have you met her?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:38

      Yeah.

   3. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:38

      Have you, like, really-

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      I feel bad for making fun of her. I've made fun of her before.

   5. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:41

      She... (laughs) Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      (laughs)

   7. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:44

      Yeah. Duh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:44

      She's very nice.

   9. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:44

      She's so nice. She's, um, just got, like, this really, uh, tender s- soul or heart.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   11. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:50

       You know, and which is funny 'cause-

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Which seems genuine.

   13. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:53

       Yeah, very genuine.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Yeah.

   15. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:54

       Very, very genuine. And she's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       You see her smashing people, it's like-

   17. MNMiriam Nakamoto11:57

       Yeah. Well, that's genuine too.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       Yeah, it's... (laughs) Yeah.

   19. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:00

       (laughs) See, it's like... So whatever it is, it's 100%.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       Yeah.

   21. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:02

       And that's... And there's something, uh, really, um, rare-

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       Yeah.

   23. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:06

       And, uh, and then, uh, so powerful. Because people aren't 100%.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       Right.

   25. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:12

       You know, they aren't 100%, like, fully, like, just heart broken, wide open, um, um, soft.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:18

       And then they're not 100%, you know, violent.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       Right.

   29. MNMiriam Nakamoto12:22

       And she's just like 100%. So cool about her.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:25

       Yeah. That-
6. 15:20 – 21:01

   Eye pokes, nut shots, and glove design: rules, penalties, and Pride vs UFC gloves

   1. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:20

      And then I ended up getting stabbed in the eyes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Oh, with fingers?

   3. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:23

      Uh-huh.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Oh.

   5. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:25

      Yeah, so now I don't. I'm like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      (laughs)

   7. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:28

      ... "All right, cool."

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      That's the number one problem.

   9. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:30

      "I don't wanna play with you anymore at MMA."

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       For sure. The fucking gloves.

   11. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:35

       (laughs) Gloves.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       I fucking hate it. There's so many guys, like, look at Michael-

   13. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:38

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       ... Michael Bisping. He has one eye that's, like, completely fucked up, so he's got oil in his eye.

   15. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:44

       They should, um, penalize more, higher for that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       100%.

   17. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:49

       Yeah. I think that, um, that would, the behavior would dis- decrease.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       I think so too.

   19. MNMiriam Nakamoto15:56

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       I think one point. I think one point for a nut shot and one point for an eye poke.

   21. MNMiriam Nakamoto16:00

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       Just period.

   23. MNMiriam Nakamoto16:01

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       You, you didn't mean to do it, that's great-

   25. MNMiriam Nakamoto16:03

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       ... but you did it, so-

   27. MNMiriam Nakamoto16:04

       Well, for the second nut shot.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       No, first nut shot.

   29. MNMiriam Nakamoto16:07

       Really?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       First nut shot, first eye poke.
7. 21:01 – 28:57

   Spinning back fists, boxing purists, and can elite boxers succeed in MMA?

   1. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:01

      ... punch if you hit me with it, I'll be, I'll fucking ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:03

      You get mad?

   3. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:04

      I get so mad.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:04

      Why do you get mad?

   5. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:05

      Because-

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:05

      Get your fists, getting back fisted.

   7. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:06

      ... I don't know, it's just bullshit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      (laughs)

   9. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:07

      It's just bullshit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Why is it bullshit?

   11. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:09

       Some fucking bullshit ass, I don't know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       Is it a bullshit move?

   13. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:12

       It's just bullshit.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Some people have moves that they feel are bullshit moves, if they get hit with them.

   15. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:16

       I, yeah, that's why I'm just like offended.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:18

       Like if somebody ax kicked you.

   17. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:20

       No, I don't care.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       That wouldn't be bullshit?

   19. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:21

       No, if they push kicked me in the face, I wouldn't care.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       No. Okay.

   21. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:23

       I'd be like, "All right."

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:24

       But a spinning back fist?

   23. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:25

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       Bullshit.

   25. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:25

       I'm offended.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       But it's so good, it's such a good technique though.

   27. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:28

       I know, it's just, uh, some fucking cornball about that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       Okay, what about spinning elbows though?

   29. MNMiriam Nakamoto21:32

       Elbows are awesome.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       Oh, that doesn't make any sense.
8. 28:57 – 36:51

   Aging fighters, evolving styles, and the honesty required for a comeback

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:57

      Did you watch the Chuck Liddell fight?

   2. MNMiriam Nakamoto28:59

      Uh, just the end of it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:01

      Yeah. Not good, right?

   4. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:04

      Uh-uh. How old is he now?

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:07

      50.

   6. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:07

      Damn.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:08

      Yeah.

   8. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:09

      So there's hope for me.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:10

      (laughs)

   10. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:10

       Oh, wait, he lost it. Shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:12

       Well, you've never been knocked out the way he's, he's been knocked out so many times.

   12. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:17

       I don't think I've ever been knocked out.

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       Not in the gym? Not ever?

   14. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:21

       Flash, flash knockdown, that's it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:23

       Knockdown, yeah.

   16. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:24

       I've had concussions and been knocked out from, like, falling in the rain-

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:27

       Mm-hmm.

   18. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:27

       ... and falling off a second-floor landing when I was a kid.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       Right.

   20. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:29

       But in fighting, I never ... Mm-mm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       Chuck's also ... I think there was an issue with his style, because his style was so aggressive-

   22. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:39

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:39

       ... aggressive, that people could just set, set, set, boom, and counter-

   24. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:43

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:43

       ... like Rashad Evans did with him.

   26. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:45

       Uh-huh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:45

       And so you're getting his momentum coming forward-

   28. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:48

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:48

       ... and the shot-

   30. MNMiriam Nakamoto29:49

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
9. 36:51 – 41:41

   Judging incompetence, appeals, and Miriam’s overturned Invicta win

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:51

      Li- I, I, I loved Lion Fight. I wish they had kept it on AXS TV. I don't know-

   2. MNMiriam Nakamoto36:55

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:55

      ... what the fuck happened. I don't know where it is now. I think it's, like, on a web app or some shit.

   4. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:00

      I was afraid to fight Lion Fight because of the judging.

   5. JRJoe Rogan37:03

      Really?

   6. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:03

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan37:03

      There were some screwy decisions.

   8. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:05

      Yeah, and I was just like, "Eh."

   9. JRJoe Rogan37:06

      Yeah. But is that an athletic commission thing? That seems more like a athletic commission thing than a Lion Fight thing.

   10. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:11

       But does it matter? 'Cause whatever, they keep doing it in the same spot, so it doesn't matter.

   11. JRJoe Rogan37:16

       It does. Well, that's the say- the case with Vegas though. I mean, Vegas has some terrible fucking judging sometimes.

   12. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:21

       Jade? Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan37:22

       You know? And it's not ... I mean, I don't know how you fix that, other than fire anyone who has any shitty decisions.

   14. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:28

       And it seems like you can't even y- can you petition?

   15. JRJoe Rogan37:32

       You can, but nobody wins.

   16. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:34

       See, that's fucked up.

   17. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       It is fucked up.

   18. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:35

       That's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:36

       I can't imagine ... When has anyone, in your recent memory, or in your memory period, when has anyone appealed a decision and won?

   20. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:45

       I've never.

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       I've never heard of it.

   22. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:46

       Uh-uh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan37:47

       That's crazy. You think about all the fights that we've seen and that we've never ... We don't, we can't even recall someone who got fucked, who went back and-

   24. MNMiriam Nakamoto37:56

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:56

       ... reviewed the tape. "Look, I, I'm hitting him three to one, two to one," and still lose a decision, which has happened.

   26. MNMiriam Nakamoto38:01

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan38:02

       That has happened. There have been some egregious, horrible decisions.

   28. MNMiriam Nakamoto38:06

       You know what I hate about this is, I, I think that these, the judges don't really think about that it's our lives. Like, if, if I have this loss, because of your error, the next time I fight, I make less money. And I'm already not making that much money. Like, you're not even thinking about how, how, what this does to me, as, as an, as a fighter. You know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan38:30

       Yeah.

   30. MNMiriam Nakamoto38:31

       It doesn't, um ...
10. 41:41 – 46:51

    Injuries, weight gain, identity loss: rebuilding after being sidelined

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:41

       Now, when you talk about coming back now, and I know you- you're recovering from knee injuries and all this jazz.

    2. MNMiriam Nakamoto41:48

       Mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       What are you thinking of-

    4. MNMiriam Nakamoto41:48

       And chunkiness.

    5. JRJoe Rogan41:49

       Chunkiness? You look great now.

    6. MNMiriam Nakamoto41:50

       Yeah, it's so much better. Oh my God.

    7. JRJoe Rogan41:52

       Is it because of Snackomoto?

    8. MNMiriam Nakamoto41:54

       (laughs) No. Um ...

    9. JRJoe Rogan41:56

       Snackomoto, healthy snacks.

    10. MNMiriam Nakamoto41:57

        Yeah, it ... (sighs) Man, when you're 40 pounds overweight, you smell different.

    11. JRJoe Rogan42:01

        Do you?

    12. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:01

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan42:02

        What do you smell like?

    14. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:02

        Just not, not yourself.

    15. JRJoe Rogan42:04

        (laughs)

    16. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:04

        Just not yourself. It's just not-

    17. JRJoe Rogan42:06

        40 pounds is a lot.

    18. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:07

        It was a lot.

    19. JRJoe Rogan42:08

        What were you eating?

    20. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:09

        Or not eating, or drinking all the time.

    21. JRJoe Rogan42:12

        Oh, you were drinking?

    22. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:12

        And not working out.

    23. JRJoe Rogan42:13

        Oh.

    24. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:13

        And, like, limping 'cause my knee was so fucked up.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:15

        Mm.

    26. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:16

        Yeah, it was just a lot of, a lot of grief.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:19

        Yeah.

    28. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:20

        Yeah. But, um ...

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        For cer- someone like you, it's gotta be hard too, because you're so connected to, like, your physical activity.

    30. MNMiriam Nakamoto42:29

        Oh, yeah.
11. 46:51 – 54:00

    Fighting mindset: territory, pain management, and the “force field” of adrenaline

    1. MNMiriam Nakamoto46:51

       They will ask me about the Wai Kru Ra Muay.

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       Mm-hmm.

    3. MNMiriam Nakamoto46:54

       And I'm just like, "I don't know. It's both."

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       (laughs)

    5. MNMiriam Nakamoto46:59

       Or they'll ask me, "How do you win a Muay Thai fight?" And I go, "I don't know."

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       (laughs)

    7. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:04

       "Do more damage." (laughs) Like, I don't fucking know. "What scores higher, elbow or knee or punch?" "I don't know. Uh, just fucking win."

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Right.

    9. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:13

       Like, I have no idea.

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:14

        Were you ever thinking what scores higher? Are you thinking-

    11. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:16

        No.

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:16

        ... you're trying to smash?

    13. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:16

        I'm just thinking, "I'm gonna dominate this motherfucker."

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        Yeah.

    15. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:18

        "This is my space."

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        Yeah.

    17. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:20

        Like, "This is my, you know ..." Yeah. Square, circle, or whatever.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:24

        Is that how you think about it? "This is mine."

    19. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:26

        Uh, well, yeah, 'cause like you, you, you dominate the space, and, like, it's about territory, you know? And fighting's territory. And you start and it's even, and they have th- their side, and you have th- your side, and you take the territory away. And you want them to feel like it's not their sp- space anymore. Like, that's how you, you impose your will. You know what I mean?

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        Yeah.

    21. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:47

        Yeah. It's that simple. I don't know. I don't know about fucking points and this and that, and it's shit.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:53

        Do you-

    23. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:54

        I have no idea.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:54

        Do you ever teach?

    25. MNMiriam Nakamoto47:56

        Uh, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:58

        Do you teach private lessons? Do you teach classes? Like, what do you teach?

    27. MNMiriam Nakamoto48:01

        A little bit, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:02

        Yeah.

    29. MNMiriam Nakamoto48:02

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:02

        Do you, do you ever work with fighters?
12. 54:00 – 1:04:15

    Mortality in combat sports, mushrooms vision, and meaning after victory

    1. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:00

       Yeah, like, "I could die. Or even harder, I could kill someone."

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:06

       Do you think it'd be harder to kill someone than to die?

    3. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:08

       Uh, so, no-

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:09

       Harder on you?

    5. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:10

       U- yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:11

       Yeah?

    7. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:12

       Because then you think about their loved ones.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       Mm.

    9. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:16

       So think about all the people that loved you. We fight. Think about all the people that love you, right?

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        Yeah.

    11. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:20

        And so when we fight, I didn't, I didn't break any rules, but I killed you.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        Right.

    13. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:27

        Think about all your loved ones, everybody that loves you that's attached to you. Think about that. All of that pain.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:36

        It's a lot of fucking pain.

    15. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:36

        'Cause of what I did to you-

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:38

        Right.

    17. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:38

        ... even though I didn't break any rules.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:40

        Have you ever been in a promotion where someone died?

    19. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:43

        Mm-mm.But that's heavy, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:46

        Yeah.

    21. MNMiriam Nakamoto54:46

        And I don't, I think probably why a lot of fighters... I, I've noticed, like, there's, there's... I don't think a l- the majority of fighters, um, look at what they do with the gravity that, that it deserves. You know? Like, you could kill somebody. Like, you need to think about that and be okay with that. Not okay, but just understand, like, all right, that could happen and I'm gonna be con- I'm consciously knowing this and choosing to go forward. They just think, "Oh, I'm gonna fight. It'll be fun. It'll..." You know, whatever, or, "It'll be hard or I'm gonna, like..." Whatever. They don't think about these things.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:26

        Is this something that you thought about when you were young?

    23. MNMiriam Nakamoto55:29

        Yeah, before I really got into it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:31

        So you, this is, uh, uh, something you've been contemplating even before you started fighting? You were aware of all the possibilities?

    25. MNMiriam Nakamoto55:39

        Yeah. I... Okay. All right, I'll say it. So I was, um, I was, uh, about 28, I think, and I don't think I had my pro boxing debut yet, and I took some mushrooms, (laughs) and I was thinking, uh... Somewhere along the trip I started thinking about fighting and I started thinking about, like, what could happen to me. And then I started thinking about the death of me, and then I started thinking about what could happen to my opponent, like, what's worse than that? And I thought about... I could see, like, if somebody I fight, and I saw all the, like, like, lines of gold thread attached into them, like, uh, from their loved ones, and then all the lines got snipped-

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:24

        Whoa.

    27. MNMiriam Nakamoto56:24

        ... when they died. Yeah, I saw this on this mushroom trip and I was just like, fuck. And so then when I decided to fight, there's more intent, you know, and more commitment and more resolve.

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:38

        That's heavy.

    29. MNMiriam Nakamoto56:39

        Yeah. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:41

        But, but that is what it is, right?
13. 1:04:15 – 1:15:19

    Training reboot: CSA & Dave Camarillo, leg locks, neck issues, and recovery tools

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:15

       Mm-hmm.

    2. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:16

       You know? But I told him, um, for, for Muay Thai, I actually told Dave and Kirian this. Did I yet tell Kirian? Well, I guess I'm telling him now. If I were to have a Muay Thai fight, obviously I'm not gonna, you know ... I would, I wouldn't be with anybody else.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

       Mm-hmm.

    4. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:35

       Like, he's ... That's where the success has been, that's where the formula works. I'm not gonna change that. But, um, now I'm also over at, uh, Guerrilla Jiu-Jitsu with Dave Camarillo.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:45

       Mm-hmm.

    6. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:46

       And so-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

       Excellent coach.

    8. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:47

       Oh my God.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

       Genius.

    10. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:49

        Oh my ... Fucking Jedi knight, dude.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:50

        Yeah.

    12. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:51

        He's a Jedi knight.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:52

        Great guy, too.

    14. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:04:53

        Holy shit. Yeah. He's amazing. He's amazing. Um, but now I get to learn from him. And so that, um-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:01

        Is he making you wear a gi?

    16. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:03

        Uh, he's not making me.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:05

        (laughs)

    18. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:06

        But I, I do and I would-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:08

        Yeah.

    20. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:08

        ... and have no problem with it.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:10

        Mm-hmm.

    22. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:10

        Um, he definitely says, like, I need to go to classes, which I absolutely agree with. You know, as a high level striker or any kind of striker going into MMA, you need to go to the fucking classes and learn-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:18

        Mm-hmm.

    24. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:18

        ... to swim in the deep end.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:19

        Yeah.

    26. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:20

        You have to and just be like, "All right. This sucks."

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:22

        Right.

    28. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:22

        "I'm just getting, like, fucking armpit, uh, suffocated. It's fine."

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:26

        Right.

    30. MNMiriam Nakamoto1:05:26

        "Just deal with it." Um, but, uh, with Dave, I can feel myself changing into the fighter that I want to be.

Episode duration: 2:13:20