JRE MMA Show #52 with Michael Bisping

1. 0:00 – 3:43

   Settling in with Bisping: flags, accents, and moving to the U.S.

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Five, four, three, two, one. Boom, and we're live. Mr. Bisping, how are you, sir?

   2. MBMichael Bisping0:08

      What's up, Joe? I'm good.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      We finally did this, man.

   4. MBMichael Bisping0:10

      I know. We've been talking about it for-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      (laughs) Years.

   6. MBMichael Bisping0:12

      ... feels like a lifetime, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      It's been a, it's been quite a while, man.

   8. MBMichael Bisping0:15

      Yeah, yeah. But, uh, yeah, happy to be here. Quite the setup you have.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      As an Englishman-

   10. MBMichael Bisping0:19

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       ... please explain to me the Hawaiian flag. What the fuck is th- the Hawaiian flag-

   12. MBMichael Bisping0:23

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       ... seems to me-

   14. MBMichael Bisping0:25

       Straight off the bat, I'm like, "Joe-"

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       ... I was confused. I was looking at it the other day when Max Holloway won, I was like, "If I didn't... If you didn't know any better, and you looked at that, you'd be like, 'This is some strange British flag.'"

   16. MBMichael Bisping0:34

       Well, right off, right off the bat, I'm like, "Joe's a smart guy. I've seen the podcast. He goes deep on things."

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       (laughs)

   18. MBMichael Bisping0:39

       I'm like, "Do I need to read some encyclopedias before I come on here?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs)

   20. MBMichael Bisping0:42

       And the first thing you say is, "Explain the British flag, sorry, the Hawaiian flag."

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Like, what is that?

   22. MBMichael Bisping0:47

       Well...

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       It's like a British flag and then something else.

   24. MBMichael Bisping0:49

       I can't claim to be an expert on the history of Hawaii. I failed that class, funnily enough.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Mmm.

   26. MBMichael Bisping0:57

       But I would say that we colonized it at one point, much like America.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Right.

   28. MBMichael Bisping1:02

       I don't know if you know this. Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   30. MBMichael Bisping1:03

       ... much like-
2. 3:43 – 5:41

   Post-fight analyst life: commentary ambitions, retirement planning, and eye-injury reality

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      Have you thought about doing commentary on UFC cards? Have you done any of those yet?

   2. MBMichael Bisping3:48

      I've just done, um, the, what is it, The Contender Series. But-

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      That's it?

   4. MBMichael Bisping3:52

      Yeah, that's it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      Yeah?

   6. MBMichael Bisping3:53

      But, but, but I think it's... Well, no, it... Well, should be coming up s-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      Yeah.

   8. MBMichael Bisping3:57

      Just negotiated a deal f- for it, so-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      Oh, okay, great.

   10. MBMichael Bisping4:00

       ... w- with Zach, so, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Well, that's good to hear.

   12. MBMichael Bisping4:01

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       'Cause you're really excellent as an analyst.

   14. MBMichael Bisping4:04

       Well, thank you very much.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       I, I really-

   16. MBMichael Bisping4:05

       I appreciate that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       ... enjoy your insight when you're on the panel. That panel's great. That, that is one of the best things the UFC has done-

   18. MBMichael Bisping4:11

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       ... is do that post-fight show. Because when the fights are over, you're sitting around going, "Fuck, holy shit."

   20. MBMichael Bisping4:16

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       And then to have you guys break it down, and then break it down beforehand as well, but break it down afterwards, I r- I really do enjoy that.

   22. MBMichael Bisping4:23

       Oh, thank you very much. Yeah, the guys do a good job. Um, yeah, it's fun. You know, I mean, it's, it's nice to be involved with the sport, obviously, as a martial artist, as a fighter, and then now retired, to still, you know, still have a little hand in there, it's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       Yeah.

   24. MBMichael Bisping4:36

       ... it's, it, it's nice, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       But you've made a smooth transition from being a fighter to, to retired.

   26. MBMichael Bisping4:42

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       It seems, at least from the outside looking in-

   28. MBMichael Bisping4:45

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       ... that it seems fairly smooth. Like, some guys have a rocky road, it's, it's hard for them.

   30. MBMichael Bisping4:49

       Well, it's because, um, you know, I mean, I d- I... I wanna tell the truth while I'm on here, so, so I will tell the truth. But, you know, I had eye injuries.
3. 5:41 – 8:31

   Side hustles and the Playline pitch: fantasy gambling, big prizes, and cheating concerns

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:41

      Yeah, you do that podcast with Luis Gomes.

   2. MBMichael Bisping5:43

      Got the podcast, believe you me. Uh, I've got a company called PlayLime. Uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      What is that?

   4. MBMichael Bisping5:47

      It's a, uh, it's a gambling s- it's fantasy sports, but it's fantasy sports simplified. Basically, it's kind of like a sports lottery. So if we were focusing on the UFC, who's gonna win, what round, how many take downs. We do five stats. You hit them bang on, you get a billion dollars. We had the analytics groups at Harvard and Yale come up with this, uh, a league. So the top 50 people split a rake-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:07

      If you hit everything, you get a billion?

   6. MBMichael Bisping6:09

      You get a billion dollars.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      A one buh, a B?

   8. MBMichael Bisping6:12

      Boom. Billion dollars, baby.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:14

      Oh, I wanna-

   10. MBMichael Bisping6:14

       And we give away a million dollars every single day. Playlime.com, boom.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Wow.

   12. MBMichael Bisping6:17

       There it is.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       $1 billion in prizes-

   14. MBMichael Bisping6:18

       There it is.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       ... available in our first year.

   16. MBMichael Bisping6:20

       And it's blowing up. It's blowing up big time.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Wow.

   18. MBMichael Bisping6:22

       We just-... about to sign a deal with a couple of major sports franchises to be their official game.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Wow.

   20. MBMichael Bisping6:27

       So, uh, so that's going really well. Um-

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       So it's, uh, essentially like a fantasy, uh, m- martial arts thing, like you just pick-

   22. MBMichael Bisping6:34

       No, i- it's NASCAR, football-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       Oh.

   24. MBMichael Bisping6:37

       ... MMA. The, the beauty of Playline is you can set a playline to anything. Like, we can set a playline, how many times is Bisping gonna burp? How many times he gonna get up and have a piss?

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Oh.

   26. MBMichael Bisping6:46

       How many times is Rogan gonna roll his eyes at Mike, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       (laughs)

   28. MBMichael Bisping6:49

       No. Do you know what I mean? You can set it for anything-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       Right.

   30. MBMichael Bisping6:50

       ... so it's very applicable. Uh, how many times, how many likes is Kim Kardashian gonna get in her next post, you know what I mean?
4. 8:31 – 10:27

   From The Ultimate Fighter to UFC champion: career longevity and legacy wins

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:31

      Dude, you, you started at UFC Ultimate Fighter season two. How crazy is that?

   2. MBMichael Bisping8:37

      Three.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      What, so you, were you season three?

   4. MBMichael Bisping8:39

      Three.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      What, what season are they on now? Like, 90 or some shit?

   6. MBMichael Bisping8:42

      (coughs) .

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      Like, what, what are they on?

   8. MBMichael Bisping8:43

      I think they just did 28.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      That's fucking crazy.

   10. MBMichael Bisping8:46

       28, but that's, but that's only US. They have the, the Brazilian one. They have the Australian.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Diego Sanchez is still fucking going at it. That's what's insane. Season one.

   12. MBMichael Bisping8:53

       That's impressive. He-

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Season one.

   14. MBMichael Bisping8:54

       He's a maniac. He's a ... God bless him, you know? Good for him, good for him.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:57

       And he fucking won recently, which is even more impressive.

   16. MBMichael Bisping9:00

       Oh, yeah. No, I know, and he fights in a way that isn't conducive to a long career.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       No.

   18. MBMichael Bisping9:03

       But he's had one, my word. It's incredible.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       It's insane.

   20. MBMichael Bisping9:05

       It really is, it really is. He's a warrior.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       He's such a fucking character too.

   22. MBMichael Bisping9:09

       Oh, dude, he's out of his mind.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       Yeah.

   24. MBMichael Bisping9:10

       In a good way I mean, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       In, in a great way.

   26. MBMichael Bisping9:11

       I, I mean that as a compliment.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Yeah, I do as well.

   28. MBMichael Bisping9:13

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:13

       Yeah. No, he's a maniac. But, uh, I mean, that guy, season one, and still, still going strong.

   30. MBMichael Bisping9:19

       Yeah. No, I know, I know. Crazy, crazy. It's been a long ride for myself as well, but, uh, enjoyed it. Enjoyed every minute of it. It was great.
5. 10:27 – 14:25

   Bisping vs Anderson Silva: the mouthpiece moment, motivation, and surviving adversity

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:27

      Other than winning the belt, what ... And winning The Ultimate Fighter, I'm sure. But what was your most satisfying victory? Was it Cung Le?

   2. MBMichael Bisping10:34

      No, no. Oh, I don't know. My most satisfying victory, my word. Oh, Anderson Silva.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      Anderson Silva.

   4. MBMichael Bisping10:40

      Yeah, that was a big one for me.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:42

      That was a good one.

   6. MBMichael Bisping10:42

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:42

      That was a big one too because of the, the cheap knee.

   8. MBMichael Bisping10:45

      It was cheap.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:45

      It was cheap.

   10. MBMichael Bisping10:46

       I'm glad you said that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       It was cheap. I mean, I'm a giant Anderson Silva fan.

   12. MBMichael Bisping10:50

       Yeah, everybody is.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       You don't, you don't get any bigger Anderson Silva fan than me.

   14. MBMichael Bisping10:53

       No. Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       But you didn't have your mouthpiece. You were pointing to the mouthpiece. You were separated, and you took a pause, and you thought the referee was gonna separate you and give you back your mouthpiece, and Anderson comes in with the knee.

   16. MBMichael Bisping11:04

       Well, I know the rules.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       Yeah.

   18. MBMichael Bisping11:05

       There has to be a lull in the action for the referee-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       Yeah.

   20. MBMichael Bisping11:07

       ... to step in, you know? And I'm backing up, and, and we're not engaging in blows. To me, that's a lull in the action.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Yeah.

   22. MBMichael Bisping11:13

       So I take that moment to point down over here and say-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       Yeah.

   24. MBMichael Bisping11:17

       ... "My mouthpiece," and as I'm down there, boom.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       Yeah.

   26. MBMichael Bisping11:19

       He throws a beautiful knee.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Yeah.

   28. MBMichael Bisping11:20

       It was beautiful. It really was. Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       Perfectly timed.

   30. MBMichael Bisping11:22

       Yeah, and good for him, you know? I don't hell- hold it against the guy. It is what it-
6. 14:25 – 19:58

   Steroids, USADA, and the TRT era: murky incentives and fighter trust

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:25

      Well, it's a stacked fucking division. I mean, look, I mean, you still have Yoel Romero at the top of the heap.

   2. MBMichael Bisping14:32

      (coughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:32

      I don't know what they're doing with him.

   4. MBMichael Bisping14:33

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:33

      I mean, he was supposed to be fighting, uh, um, Boachinha, which is, uh-

   6. MBMichael Bisping14:39

      Oh, yeah. Paulo Costa?

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:41

      Paulo Costa.

   8. MBMichael Bisping14:41

      Boachinha.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Yeah, who's a fucking monster.

   10. MBMichael Bisping14:44

       Yeah, he is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:44

       If anybody is, who's not on steroids who looks like they're on steroids-

   12. MBMichael Bisping14:48

       Dude-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       ... it's him and Yoel Romero.

   14. MBMichael Bisping14:48

       They're all on fucking steroids, let's be-

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       You think so?

   16. MBMichael Bisping14:50

       Uh, well, it's not that easy these days with USADA.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       It's hard.

   18. MBMichael Bisping14:53

       But come on, some of them are on steroids.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       (laughs) Some of them-

   20. MBMichael Bisping14:56

       They've gotta be.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:57

       ... probably are.

   22. MBMichael Bisping14:58

       Joe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       But who's on? Okay.

   24. MBMichael Bisping15:00

       You're telling me that you don't believe that Yoel Romero ever took a steroid in his life?

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       I didn't say that.

   26. MBMichael Bisping15:05

       Okay.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       I definitely didn't say that.

   28. MBMichael Bisping15:06

       Cool.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:07

       I think it's possible.

   30. MBMichael Bisping15:08

       Oh, it's possible?
7. 19:58 – 24:55

   Fight promotion psychology: why trash talk works and when it fails

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:58

      (laughs) Oh, there's, there is the fine line, right? Between talking shit and, uh, and backing it up.

   2. MBMichael Bisping20:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      But, you know, you, you, you did a great job of pissing people off in your career and that is, that plays a factor. The, whatever you can do to get just them a little bit out of their comfort zone, a little bit out of their composure, like, and you, you were really good at that.

   4. MBMichael Bisping20:20

      Yeah. You know, you know, I mean, I hate that to be, uh, you know, the first thing people say about me, but, you know, it- (sighs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:27

      Well, it's one element.

   6. MBMichael Bisping20:27

      It was a, it, it was a thing, you know, it, it was-

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:30

      Yeah.

   8. MBMichael Bisping20:30

      ... w- what I did, and in my mind-

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:32

      (coughs)

   10. MBMichael Bisping20:32

       ... you know, where I come from, my background, you know, if we're gonna fight, then we're gonna fight, and, and then-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       Right.

   12. MBMichael Bisping20:36

       ... it's all-out war, you know? Un- until it's all said and done. And if I can make you doubt yourself, if I can... You know, it's like at the weigh-ins. At the weigh-ins, that's the last time you're gonna get a chance to stand in front of your opponent-

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:49

       Mm-hmm.

   14. MBMichael Bisping20:49

       ... and send a message to him. You know what I mean? And if you get in his face and you can just instill a little fear, puff your chest. That's why animals do it in the wild.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:58

       Sure.

   16. MBMichael Bisping20:58

       You know what I mean? Puff your chest out, look intimidating, look as angry as you can, you know. And, and some fighters might just look at that and laugh and say, "This ain't gonna work on me," but some it does.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       Yeah.

   18. MBMichael Bisping21:07

       And, and then, and then they don't fight to the best of their ability because they're slightly doubting themselves and they're not fully committing to the punch or the kick. And if they're not fully committing, they're not 100%, they're not f- fighting as well as they can be, and I'm winning that battle, you know? So yeah, you look like kind of a thug standing up there and pointing your finger and talking shit, but it's for a reason, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       Yeah. It works.

   20. MBMichael Bisping21:28

       Yeah, it does.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       And that's, it's-

   22. MBMichael Bisping21:29

       Well, McGregor, McGregor's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       Yeah.

   24. MBMichael Bisping21:30

       ... the best at it, you know, he-

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Yeah.

   26. MBMichael Bisping21:32

       ... gets people to fold. Look at Dustin Poirier, he didn't even show up in that first fight.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       It's true. Yeah, he, and, yeah, he-

   28. MBMichael Bisping21:38

       I mean, don't get me wrong, he was great as well, you know, it wasn't just the trash talk.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       (coughs) No, he's great as well. I think the Nate Diaz fight didn't, it didn't work in that fight.

   30. MBMichael Bisping21:46

       Yeah.
8. 24:55 – 32:37

   Modern fight talk: Holloway–Ortega, weight cuts, Tony Ferguson bad luck, and fighter wear-and-tear

   1. MBMichael Bisping24:55

      Yeah, for sure. I mean, I did enjoy... It was nice to see, uh, Brian Ortega and Max Holloway.

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MBMichael Bisping25:00

      They had that nice back and forth where Max... Sorry, pardon me, Brian was, you know, he's like, "Listen, I hope you're well, and I hope you're over the injuries," and all that type of thing. That was nice to see.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:09

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MBMichael Bisping25:09

      It was great. But they both were exuding confidence at the same time. They were both adamant they were gonna win the fight. So it wasn't... Th- they weren't being too overly cordial.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:19

      Yes.

   7. MBMichael Bisping25:19

      You know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:19

      Yes, yeah.

   9. MBMichael Bisping25:20

      I don't wanna see that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Right, right, right.

   11. MBMichael Bisping25:21

       I don't wanna... I, I, I don't wanna see two fighters pretending like they're in church or meeting the fucking president, okay?

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       Yeah.

   13. MBMichael Bisping25:26

       I wanna see two guys that wanna rip each other's head off.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       Yeah.

   15. MBMichael Bisping25:29

       Call me an animal, call me a barbarian, call me whatever you want, but that's what gets my, you know-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       Yes.

   17. MBMichael Bisping25:34

       ... engine ticking.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       Well, even when they were at the, the final weigh-in, and they're staring each other down, like, even though it was respectful, there was a lot of tension. There was a lot of tension. Y- you knew what-

   19. MBMichael Bisping25:45

       Oh, are you talking about-

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       ... was going on Max and Brian.

   21. MBMichael Bisping25:47

       ... at the weigh-in? Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       At the weigh-in.

   23. MBMichael Bisping25:47

       I never saw that one.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       When they were at the weigh-in, and Max and Brian, they just stood, you know, a couple feet away from each other staring at each other, and it was intense. It was real.

   25. MBMichael Bisping25:56

       Hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:57

       That was a fucking hell of a fight too.

   27. MBMichael Bisping25:59

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:59

       Holy shit.

   29. MBMichael Bisping25:59

       Max was incredible.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:00

       He's incredible.
9. 32:37 – 38:10

   Injury management and recovery tech: neck decompression, Regenokine/Regenokine-like treatments, and scary examples

   1. MBMichael Bisping32:37

      My neck issue. Remember we were-

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:39

      Yes, yes.

   3. MBMichael Bisping32:39

      ... talking years ago in Manchester-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:40

      Yeah.

   5. MBMichael Bisping32:41

      ... about my neck? Yeah, I never-

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:42

      Well, you-

   7. MBMichael Bisping32:42

      ... got that taken care of.

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:43

      ... I mean, people did know but wh- I mean, it was hard for me to talk about it too. I didn't wanna talk about too much while I was commentating your fights, but-

   9. MBMichael Bisping32:48

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       ... you had a neck injury that was so bad one of your arms was weaker than the other. Like, if you were doing-

   11. MBMichael Bisping32:53

       Oh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:53

       ... bench press-

   13. MBMichael Bisping32:54

       Oh, for sure, still to this day.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       Really?

   15. MBMichael Bisping32:56

       I mean, you could, you could take that samurai sword-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       (laughs)

   17. MBMichael Bisping32:58

       ... I don't advise it-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       Right.

   19. MBMichael Bisping32:59

       ... and stick it through the m- the skin there and I wouldn't feel a thing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:03

       Really?

   21. MBMichael Bisping33:03

       Well, I don't know if I wouldn't feel a thing, but I'm totally numb. Totally numb. I, I had a shower after my workout before, and then what I get a lot, I get like the... It's like a, um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       Stinger?

   23. MBMichael Bisping33:13

       Yeah, but down the entire right side.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:15

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   25. MBMichael Bisping33:15

       I was in the shower. I was, uh... It's happened a few times when I've been working on TV. I was doing this show called Hyper Drive for Netflix in the summer, and we were, we were, it was, we were... It was night shoots, it was like 4:00 in the morning, and all of sudden it's (groans) I'm doing this, and everyone's going, "Oh, my God! Oh, m-" I'm like, "It's okay! Calm down!" They're like, "Medic!" I'm like, "No, it's okay. It happens all the time." So yeah, it's just pinched nerve, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       Wow.

   27. MBMichael Bisping33:36

       C5, C6. I gotta get it taken care of.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:39

       Um, have you ever done any decompression or anything like that?

   29. MBMichael Bisping33:42

       Um, (sighs) this, i- i- it's all my- my own fault.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:47

       Mm-hmm.
10. 38:10 – 48:51

    Boxing heavyweights and combat-sports safety: Fury–Wilder drama and when refs should stop fights

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:10

       That's a, he's an interesting character, huh?

    2. MBMichael Bisping38:12

       Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:13

       The, the big comeback, it's gonna be a tough fight, man. That's a big fight. That's a big fight.

    4. MBMichael Bisping38:17

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan38:18

       Gustafsson is no joke. The way that, I love the way they s- they size up, too. The way they match up against each other.

    6. MBMichael Bisping38:22

       Oh, yeah. Absolutely. See, maybe that's why, uh, Jon struggled a little bit the first time, because he's not used to fighting somebody with the same frame.

    7. JRJoe Rogan38:30

       Yeah.

    8. MBMichael Bisping38:30

       The same physical attributes-

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:32

       Mm-hmm.

    10. MBMichael Bisping38:32

        ... that make Jon so great, Alex also has.

    11. JRJoe Rogan38:35

        Yes.

    12. MBMichael Bisping38:35

        And what was his last fight? Was it, uh, Teixeira? I think it was.

    13. JRJoe Rogan38:39

        Yes. Yes.

    14. MBMichael Bisping38:39

        He looked amazing-

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:41

        Sensational.

    16. MBMichael Bisping38:41

        ... in that fight.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:41

        Sensational. Best he's ever looked.

    18. MBMichael Bisping38:41

        His hands were so fast.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:43

        Yeah.

    20. MBMichael Bisping38:43

        So fast, the combinations he put together-

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:45

        Mm-hmm.

    22. MBMichael Bisping38:45

        ... they were beautiful.

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:46

        And then-

    24. MBMichael Bisping38:46

        Really, really good.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:47

        ... the final KO was like a video game sequence.

    26. MBMichael Bisping38:49

        Oh, dude, it was incredible.

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:51

        Yeah, yeah.

    28. MBMichael Bisping38:51

        It really was.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:51

        It really was. I mean, I think in a lot of ways, that was like what we're looking at with Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, like-

    30. MBMichael Bisping38:57

        Hm.
11. 48:51 – 59:37

    Slaughterhouse stories to hunting ethics: how meat, morality, and conservation collide

    1. MBMichael Bisping48:51

       Dude, I used to work at a slaughterhouse. I used to slaughter-

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:54

       Did you really?

    3. MBMichael Bisping48:54

       ... 500 cows a day.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:55

       Whoa.

    5. MBMichael Bisping48:55

       The size of those fucking bulls will scare you to death.Hammer.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:01

       (laughs)

    7. NANarrator49:02

       (laughs)

    8. MBMichael Bisping49:02

       (laughs) I- I wasn't looking at their cocks.

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:03

       I know. (laughs) I'm saying their, their balls are like a fist.

    10. MBMichael Bisping49:06

        Oh, dude. Yeah, yeah. No, no.

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:07

        They're giant.

    12. MBMichael Bisping49:07

        When I was 16, uh, I come from a small town and one of the, uh, the local employers is, uh, the slaughterhouse. And any w-

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Oh.

    14. MBMichael Bisping49:14

        ... any, any young loser like myself has done a stint at the slaughterhouse-

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        (laughs)

    16. MBMichael Bisping49:17

        ... when they need a job, you know? And I went in and, um, I was squeegee mopping blood into the drains. I was like, "What the fuck is this?"

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:25

        Oof.

    18. MBMichael Bisping49:26

        So I said to, uh, the foreman, I said, "Listen, I could be of more use to you than this." He said, "Let me think about it." So I went off, had my break, had my bacon sandwich. Came back and he's like, "Yep. You're right. You're a good kid. I'm gonna make you an apprentice slaughterman." I was like, "Holy fuck. That's not what I was looking for."

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:41

        (laughs)

    20. MBMichael Bisping49:41

        And talk about shocking. Oh, I'd never seen anything like it in my life. It was insane. Insane. And I'm offending all the vegans and animal lovers. I'm an animal lover, big time, you know? But, uh, it, you gotta make ends meet when you're a kid, uh, living in a small town. Yeah. Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:58

        So, how'd you slaughter them?

    22. MBMichael Bisping50:00

        Well, they, they, they, they line up single file and eventually they come into like a little cubicle like this-

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:06

        Mm-hmm.

    24. MBMichael Bisping50:06

        ... and you're standing above them. And as they come in, you push a button, door drops down, and they're in this confined environment like a big rectangle-

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:14

        Mm-hmm.

    26. MBMichael Bisping50:14

        ... like a big cubicle. And you're raised up and you have this bell and you touch, touch their head and then doof, you knock it on the head, that shoots a bolt.

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        Oh.

    28. MBMichael Bisping50:22

        It falls down and falls into the wall. Then you push a button and the door slides up and the cow rolls down. So, you run down the steps and as you're running down, you grab what's called a piffing rod. It's like a eight-foot long, flexible piece of plastic and it's in sterilized liquid. You pull that out as you run down. Then you put your, like, knee on belly.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:45

        Mm-hmm.

    30. MBMichael Bisping50:45

        You put your knee on the, uh, the head of the cow. You feel for the hole you just made t- in the hair. Then you get the end of the piffing rod, you push it into the hole.
12. 59:37 – 1:12:47

    Winning the belt on two weeks’ notice: the Rockhold call, chaotic cut, and coach Perillo’s mindset reset

    1. JRJoe Rogan59:37

       You are getting into the movie business, right? You've been doing a few movies. Weren't you doing a movie during the time you were doing the Rockhold fight?

    2. MBMichael Bisping59:42

       That's right, yeah. I was filming Triple X. Um-

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:45

       Oh.

    4. MBMichael Bisping59:45

       Yeah, yeah. I'd been out of there for about three months, and then I was c- flying home and, uh, I was looking for some walkie-talkies for my seven-year-old. Uh, I don't know why I thought that'd be a good idea. Turns out, getting hold of walkie-talkies isn't very easy these days. I went on a fucking wild goose chase trying to get these fucking walkie-talkies that didn't even get played with. He was like, "Yeah, cool, I've got a phone, dad." (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

       (laughs)

    6. MBMichael Bisping1:00:06

       I'm like, "Yeah, I should have thought of that." But, um, and as I'm looking for them, I check Twitter. I got a coffee and I see Chris Weidman had pulled out. So yeah, I text Dana. I said, "Listen, if, uh, if this is true, you know, you know where I am." And he was like, "Oh, great, we love that, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Jacare is our first option." So I thought... For a minute there I thought I was getting a title shot, and I thought, "There's no way Jacare is gonna turn it down." So I went to my buddy's, Jason's house, and watched a basketball game and had a few drinks and, you know. Didn't party as such, I was on set the next day, but I had a few drinks. Now, if I knew I was fighting for a world belt in two weeks, you know, I would have been on a strict diet, not overindulging, but I definitely overindulged. And then the next day, I'm walking into the gym just to have, you know, this little light workout and my phone starts exploding, lighting up like a Christmas tree. And I'm like, "What the hell?" And then Al- Ariel Helwani calls me, he's like, "Mike, Dana just announced on SportsCenter that you're fighting for the belt." (laughs) I'm like, "What?"

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