JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

1. 0:01 – 1:33

   Till knockout aftermath & why fighters avoid leaving it to the judges

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Three, two, one. And we're live? We're live! What's up, brother?

   2. JMJorge Masvidal0:14

      What's up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Dude, how are you?

   4. JMJorge Masvidal0:16

      Very good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      We got you in here finally, man. How many times we have to talk about this? Several, right?

   6. JMJorge Masvidal0:21

      A lot. This was... The universe wanted it right now.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      The universe made it happen after the Till victory. That was, uh... That was, that was, uh, for a lot of people, a big coming out party for you.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal0:30

      Was it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Yeah.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal0:31

       I thought I was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah, you were already out.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal0:33

       ... already out and about. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       But that was like, Holy shit. The way you put him out, it was h- that was a holy shit moment.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal0:39

       That... I was going for that moment. That's what I was trying to do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal0:42

       I knew a decision wasn't gonna come my way that way, you know? Not to say nothing about, uh, the English, but I, I don't like the judging over there. I've seen a lot of decisions go like...

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal0:51

       S- super crooked, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I don't like decisions in almost every state.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal0:55

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       You know? I mean, there's, there's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head at and you don't understand.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal1:02

       You go, "Ugh." What's the worst one you can think of?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Pff... I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to sit back and go over the archives. But I've seen some horrible ones.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal1:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Even ones where guys win, they, like, barely win. You're like, "How the fuck was that close?"

   26. JMJorge Masvidal1:15

       Yeah. Like, 29, 28. It was like 30-23. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Yeah, that kind of shit. And you're like, "What round?" Yeah, there's a lot of those.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal1:19

       But it's getting better though, because more fighters every day are joining that force, you know. Where I see or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff. So, I know 10 years from now there's going to be nothing but productive people in there. People that know what they're looking at, you know?

2. 1:33 – 2:06

   Fixing MMA scoring: 10-point must system, commissions, and boxing’s influence

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      We can only hope. I mean, that's the number one problem. I think the scoring system sucks too. Like adopting a 10-9. Even the new improved scoring system, it's like... MMA is so much different than boxing. And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, you know, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping pong.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal1:50

      Yeah, yeah. It's the... it's the mafia.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      Is that what it is?

   4. JMJorge Masvidal1:54

      The boxing thing? Hell yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      Uh-huh.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal1:56

      Why is a boxing commission governing the MMA commission? Shouldn't we have our own thing, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      I think in some places they just didn't have the infrastructure, you know?

   8. JMJorge Masvidal2:05

      Nowadays we could do it, I'm sure.

3. 2:06 – 4:24

   The BodogFight era: big names, big budgets, and beach-fight chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      Nowadays, for sure. Yeah, in most places. But yeah, it's, um... I mean, times are changing. I mean, you've been around for a long time, my friend. I remember the first time I ever saw you fight. It was a ba- a backyard bare knuckle fight in the Kimbo Slice days. That was the first time I heard about you. And then I saw you fight Yves Edwards in Bo Dog.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal2:25

      Yeah. Ooh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      I remember Bo Dog Fight. Yeah.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal2:27

      It was the golden ages for a while.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      The golden ages, man.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal2:29

      That was a while ago. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      Damn, that's crazy. Like, Bo Dog Fight was a fun organization.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal2:34

      It was super fun.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      Cain Velasquez fought there. Chael Sonnen fought there.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal2:37

       Yeah. Eddie Alvarez.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       That's right, yeah.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal2:39

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Fedor. Fedor had a fight over there.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal2:41

       Fedor had a fight over there. Brad Pickett as well.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Yeah.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal2:44

       Yeah. Um, Mike Brown.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Yeah. What, what happened with them? They went under because of the, the whole gambling rules online changed, right? Is that what it-

   18. JMJorge Masvidal2:52

       Not from what I heard.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       No?

   20. JMJorge Masvidal2:53

       From what I heard, it was the spending budget. I... This is what I, what I heard. Um, Calvin Ayre, that was the owner of Bo Dog, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Yeah.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal2:59

       He put up this huge budget and... These are just rumors from what I heard from the people working, you know? But it was like $100 million for XYZ amount of years to get them publicity so people would see the fights and then go to the casino.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Oh.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal3:12

       And that 100 million got blown out, like, in two or three years is what I heard.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Oh. (laughs)

   26. JMJorge Masvidal3:17

       And I wouldn't disagree, because they used to pay me really good and give us-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       (laughs)

   28. JMJorge Masvidal3:20

       ... super perks. They used to give us some super perks, you know? Take us to exotic locations to fight, be there for two weeks. You, plus two. They'd fly out, take care of you. They really, really took very good care of you. So when I heard that they blew out 100 million in three years, I was like, "Yeah, it could be." You know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       (laughs) Well, they were fighting on the beach with hot girls in bikinis-

   30. JMJorge Masvidal3:39

       Yeah.
4. 4:24 – 5:18

   Why the sport needs more promotions (and more money)

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      Look, the world needs more of those. They need more One FCs.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal4:28

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      We need more Bellators. We need more, you know-

   4. JMJorge Masvidal4:31

      Competition.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      ... whatever the professional fight league is called now. What do they call themselves now?

   6. JMJorge Masvidal4:35

      Professional Fighters League, I think.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      Is that what it is? It's PFL. It used to be World Series of Fighting, that's right. Yeah, we need more. We need more of them.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal4:41

      Oh, so PFL is World Series of Fighting?

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      It used to be World Series, now it's PFL.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal4:45

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Yeah, I think... Pretty sure most of the same organization.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal4:49

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Yeah. Because we need, we need more, you know? Uh-

   14. JMJorge Masvidal4:52

       We need more money.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       (laughs) Yeah, that Oscar De La Hoya thing, you know that, that's probably never going to happen again after the Tito and Chuck fight, it doesn't look like. But someone of that ilk, someone like a Golden Boy Promotions, they start getting involved in MMA and putting together... They could get some guys that aren't signed but are super high level with a big name. Like, maybe the contract comes up and they decide to do something-

   16. JMJorge Masvidal5:15

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       ... with a big name promoter, you know? It'd be good for everybody.

5. 5:18 – 8:08

   Affliction nostalgia & a quick detour into Trump, presidents, and ‘the book of secrets’

   1. JMJorge Masvidal5:18

      Hey, Golden Boy tried, uh... many years ago, didn't they, with Affliction? Wasn't Oscar part of that? I remember-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      Was he?

   3. JMJorge Masvidal5:23

      Oscar, Donald Trump.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      Oh, that's right.

   5. JMJorge Masvidal5:25

      Yeah, it was a couple people.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:26

      Donald Trump was a part of Affliction, that's right. (laughs)

   7. JMJorge Masvidal5:30

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      Josh Barnett sunk that ship. (laughs) Josh Barnett tested positive and that ship sunk, remember?

   9. JMJorge Masvidal5:35

      Yeah. Yeah, I remember.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       Yeah. Yeah, and then the UFC bought it like right afterwards.

   11. JMJorge Masvidal5:39

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       Yeah. They, they had some fun fights though. That fucking Tim Sylvia-Fedor fight was wild as shit.

   13. JMJorge Masvidal5:45

       Yeah. Andrei Arlovski.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Yeah, Arlovski-Fedor. Look at Donald Trump and Fedor. (laughs) With Tom Atencio. That's hilarious. Yeah, back in the day, son. Yeah, Donald Trump and Tim Sylvia. That's hilar- He was a totally different character back then. Donald Trump was like a fun guy. Like, everybody liked him. Yeah. People liked him. He'd get cheered on.

   15. JMJorge Masvidal6:09

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Now people are so fucking mad at him.

   17. JMJorge Masvidal6:11

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Same guy. (laughs)

   19. JMJorge Masvidal6:14

       They don't see him that way no more.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       (laughs) No, they don't. They don't, man.

   21. JMJorge Masvidal6:18

       That's why he has all this security around him now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       Oh, yeah. He has to. Yeah. He fucked up, became president.

   23. JMJorge Masvidal6:23

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       It's a huge mistake, for anybody. You wanna enjoy your life? Don't be fucking president.

   25. JMJorge Masvidal6:28

       Ah, has ... You know, he could disappear, get facial surgery or something afterwards.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       You think so?

   27. JMJorge Masvidal6:32

       Of course.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Hmm.

   29. JMJorge Masvidal6:33

       Plus, you get that, that booklet with all the secrets of the history.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Oh.
6. 8:08 – 9:45

   Florida culture: languages, storms, and why it feels like another country

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:08

      Florida is a trip.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal8:09

      We talking about those aliens?

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      Nah.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal8:10

      Yeah, Florida's fun.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      Florida's a trip. It's one of my favorite places, because it lit- like, especially the whole Southern Florida area, like Miami, you know, West Palm down, it seems like you should have a passport to go there. It's just-

   6. JMJorge Masvidal8:20

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      It's so different than the rest of America. It's wild.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal8:22

      Don't speak English.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      It's great. The food is all exotic. It's like, it's, it's, it's such a different flavor. And then, uh, the weather's crazy. You know, it's just, it's almost like going to another country.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal8:34

       Yeah. You need a little pass. You go to the gas station, try and put gas in, they're, "W- what language are you speaking?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       (laughs)

   12. JMJorge Masvidal8:39

       Nobody speaks English there. People get upset. I'm always at a gas station, and then somebody, like an American person, will be in the line and, "Fucking dammit, man. No- nobody speaks English here."

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       (laughs)

   14. JMJorge Masvidal8:48

       And then I have to like translate. "Oh, calm down, man. It's okay, bro." You know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       (laughs)

   16. JMJorge Masvidal8:51

       "There's people who speak English and Spanish here," you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       It's ... Yeah. And also, the weather there is s- it ... When it gets crazy, it gets so crazy. I went with Eddie Bravo once, and he was doing a jujitsu seminar. We had to drive from, uh, West Palm down to Miami. And as we're driving, this storm hit. It was so hard, you had to s- everyone stopped dead on the highway 'cause you couldn't drive 'cause you couldn't see in front of you. We were laughing. No one could see anything. It was just all a wall of water that was pounding down on the car for about 10 minutes, and then it all went away. We were like, "What in the fuck was that?" You can't see in front of you. Didn't matter if you had windshield wipers on, you were going nowhere. You couldn't drive. You couldn't see.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal9:32

       Sounds about right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       That's about right, right?

   20. JMJorge Masvidal9:34

       That's why Miami people, Florida people got that, uh, spastic, uh, behavior as well, just like the weather, you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:41

       Yeah.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal9:41

       We're here one moment, we're gone the next, you know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       (laughs) It's all temporary.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal9:44

       Yeah.

7. 9:45 – 12:21

   American Top Team’s rise: Dan Lambert’s obsession and why ATT is a talent magnet

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      Yeah, well, you know, you being down there, though, you couldn't ask for a better training environment. I mean-

   2. JMJorge Masvidal9:49

      Oh, my gosh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:50

      ... what, what they have established down there, I mean, it was great when there was the Blackzilians there as well, but, I mean, American Top Team down there, like holy shit.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal9:58

      We are in Florida. I mean, Blackzilians was trying to do that cute thing-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:02

      Yeah.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal10:02

      ... to saying that they were doing this competition.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Cute thing. (laughs)

   8. JMJorge Masvidal10:04

      I don't ... Whatever happened to that team?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      Well, the guy died.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal10:07

       No, but before that, it was long extinct.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Oh. Yeah. Well, it's ex- look, Dan Lambert is a bad motherfucker. It costs a lot of money to do what he did. And t- that guy is, uh, he's one of the treasures of the sport.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal10:17

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       You know, and what he did was not just do it once, but then build a whole new place.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal10:22

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       The giant new place with dormitories and shit.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal10:25

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       State-of-the-art facility.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal10:26

       Dan loves it, man. Dan.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       He's amazing.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal10:28

       Have you, have you ever been to Dan's house?

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       No, never have.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal10:31

       Oh, he's probably gonna get mad at me. I'm gonna put him on blast right now, but fuck it, let's pick at him real quick. He's rich, so.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       (laughs)

   24. JMJorge Masvidal10:36

       You know, um, he's got a really nice house to start with, and, uh, you go inside the house and you don't see any pictures of his kids, which he has a beautiful family. But you do see pictures, massive pictures. I'm talking about they won't fit in this room, they're huge pictures of his fighters knocking people out or submitting people-

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       (laughs)

   26. JMJorge Masvidal10:53

       ... all over his living room, man. And he'll tell you-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       Wow.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal10:56

       ... he goes, "Man, I ... The gym is my baby. I would ... No way I'd get rid of this," you know? This is his, that's his thing, that's his baby, man. He loves it, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       Yeah.

   30. JMJorge Masvidal11:03

       And Dan's also a tough motherfucker, bro. I've rolled with him. Uh, back in the day when he was at ... Maybe like eight years ago, he used to roll with everybody. If you were world champion or not, he'd be like, "Let's roll." Just straight jujitsu.
8. 12:21 – 13:35

   Longevity, focus, and staying natural: Masvidal’s approach to career durability

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:21

      What do you attribute your longevity to and your enthusiasm to? Because you've always been a guy who loves fighting.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal12:29

      Love it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      And you've always been a guy who-I mean, you've had that enthusiasm for a long time, man.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal12:36

      You know, not a lot of things, uh, can capture my attention, you know. Like I can't just watch TV, for example, you know, like a football game and sit through the whole thing, you know. I'm not trying to diss football or nothing, I just don't have that attention span, or basketball or baseball. Fighting can just... Like, I'm talking to you and the fight goes on and I just, like, almost get zoned out, you know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:56

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal12:56

      So it's always had my attention since a kid, since before I knew that I could make money off of it, it just attracted me, you know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:02

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal13:02

      It's that primal instinct survival, whatever it is, it's just hardwired deep into me, you know. And my longevity, one thing I definitely attribute to is, uh, not taking steroids, man, you know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:12

      Hmm.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal13:12

       Just being natural, enjoying this ride, the, the natural form, you know.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Yeah.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal13:16

       Not, like, pushing my body to its limits, that I'm bench pressing 400 pounds when my ligaments are weak.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       Right.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal13:21

       Things like that, you know. And I also think God made me for this, you know. The way that I've been fighting my whole career, you know, I, I have really good defense. The last fight it didn't show, but I- I'm also, like, built hard, man. I walked out of the field fight with a bruise, you know.

9. 13:35 – 15:24

   Breaking down the Till fight: stance changes, coaching, and strategic setup

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:35

      Well, it showed. I mean, look, you got clipped with one left hand in the initial... after you dick kicked him-

   2. JMJorge Masvidal13:40

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:40

      ... which was crazy (laughs) . He came out... That was the first fight I ever saw with a opening flying sidekick dick kick.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal13:46

      Liu Kang to the balls.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:47

      Sorry. Um, but then he clipped you with... It was a perfect straight left-

   6. JMJorge Masvidal13:51

      Perfect left.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:52

      ... but you survived on the ground, you survived on the ground, you covered up, you showed great defense on the ground, you got back to your feet and you kept it together, you know. And the combination-

   8. JMJorge Masvidal14:00

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:00

      ... that you hit him with, you'd hit him with that combination a couple times. You... Did... Is that something you prepared for that when you were switching and then throwing that left hand, is that... Did you prepare for it-

   10. JMJorge Masvidal14:08

       When I went southpaw-

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       ... that way?

   12. JMJorge Masvidal14:10

       ... and then back, back?

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Yeah.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal14:11

       Yeah, yeah. Me and my coach, uh, he's, he's the one that'll do, like, all the techniques. The guy that I've been with, uh, forever, Paulino Hernandez, I think the greatest striking coach ever, he, uh, he showed me, like, "Hey, let's do this, you know?" And, "Oh man, I don't wanna do new techniques." "Come on, let's just do it," you know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal14:24

       And then we started doing and doing and doing it. And this was, like, a while ago. And then for this fight... And I had stopped doing it, you know, 'cause a lot of techniques, we work 'em a lot when we're initiating, when he brings me a technique to the table, we're gonna rep it out 1,000 times in a week, and the next week the same thing, till he feels that I got it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal14:38

       ... and then he'll be like, "All right, cool." It's, it's there in the tool shed when we need it, we'll polish it up. So for this fight he's like, "Hey, remember that technique? Let's, let's bring it. I think it'll work here." And I go, "Man, but he's a southpaw." He's like, "I'm telling you, the way he's moving, the way he's, you know, fighting with you, it's gonna work."

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       Hmm.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal14:53

       So we started doing it and boom, money. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       You caught him with it a couple times before you put him away with it, right?

   22. JMJorge Masvidal14:59

       I... N- not with that one, with the same exact one.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:02

       No?

   24. JMJorge Masvidal15:02

       Similar ones-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       Similar?

   26. JMJorge Masvidal15:03

       ... but I didn't, uh, I didn't go s- full southpaw to, to the blitz.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:07

       Hmm.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal15:07

       You know, I did it, uh, other different ways, you know. And I also caught him a lot with, like, overhand and left hook as he was coming in, especially in the second round. I caught him I think maybe twice with that combo.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       Yeah, man. That was a big knockout. That was a big knockout. He's a, he's an interesting guy 'cause he's really too big for 170.

   30. JMJorge Masvidal15:24

       Yeah.

10. 15:24 – 31:37

    Weight cutting and the case for more divisions (including 165): health, performance, and fairness

    1. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       He's so fucking tall. But you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all. Like how much weight do you cut?

    2. JMJorge Masvidal15:29

       For seve-... Well, by the time I get into shape-shape, I'm around 182 pounds, 180 pounds. So fight week, I get over there and I'm like eight pounds away, seven, seven pounds away, you know.

    3. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That's so light.

    4. JMJorge Masvidal15:42

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       It's nice.

    6. JMJorge Masvidal15:43

       I don't cut anything. At 55, if I... if everything went right, when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5% body fat. And the rest is just water, man. It would fucking kill me. So I, I always felt that was too big for 55, you know. I, I loved it 'cause the competition was stiffer, but it was just getting harder and harder. And once they took those IVs away, forget it, there was no way for me to make that weight.

    7. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Hmm. Yeah, and moving up has been very successful for you. I mean-

    8. JMJorge Masvidal16:09

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       ... you look better moving up than I think you have e- e- ever in your career.

    10. JMJorge Masvidal16:12

        I don't think I had any stoppages at 55 with the hands, like ending somebody.

    11. JRJoe Rogan16:16

        Right.

    12. JMJorge Masvidal16:16

        I dropped, like, numerous people, but I never KO'd somebody stiff, you know. And at 70 I got a couple of them and it's...

    13. JRJoe Rogan16:22

        Do you attribute that to having more power at 70? Like being-

    14. JMJorge Masvidal16:25

        More energy.

    15. JRJoe Rogan16:25

        ... he- health- healthier, feeling better?

    16. JMJorge Masvidal16:26

        Energy, confident, you know.

    17. JRJoe Rogan16:28

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JMJorge Masvidal16:28

        Once, once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have to fist fight, that's still in the back of your mind, like-

    19. JRJoe Rogan16:33

        Right.

    20. JMJorge Masvidal16:33

        ... "Ugh, c- c-..." You know, "Do I have f- 50 good ha- right hands in me," you know?

    21. JRJoe Rogan16:37

        Right, right.

    22. JMJorge Masvidal16:38

        And those doubts and stuff come in you. And also your insides take a beating when you cut that weight. When you're cutting, like, 12 pounds and up of water, your insides take a beating so you get hit in the stomach and like, "Whoa, that shit fucking hurt."

    23. JRJoe Rogan16:49

        Hmm.

    24. JMJorge Masvidal16:49

        It doesn't hurt like this in practice, you know. So, um, it, it sucks, man. It sucks.

    25. JRJoe Rogan16:54

        Yeah.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal16:54

        Harsh water cuts suck.

    27. JRJoe Rogan16:56

        We were talking about it outside that I think that they... if they instituted hydration tests and more weight classes-

    28. JMJorge Masvidal17:03

        More weight classes?

    29. JRJoe Rogan17:03

        ... and just cut it out. Just cut out weigh- just cut out weight cutting all together. Cut it out, man. Just, just figure out a way to eliminate. Make people fight at what they weigh at. But you-

    30. JMJorge Masvidal17:11

        I do.
11. 31:37 – 34:40

    Welterweight chaos & the road to a title shot: contenders, matchmaking, and division logjams

    1. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Yeah. Well, that fight with Till, man, if anybody had any doubts, that fight erased all of them.

    2. JMJorge Masvidal31:42

       For sure.

    3. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       And that was, uh... I mean, T- Till was top five (clears throat) , right?

    4. JMJorge Masvidal31:45

       Number three.

    5. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       When you knocked him out, I believe so.

    6. JMJorge Masvidal31:47

       Number three, yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, that puts you in the hunt now. And what a crazy goddamn division that is now.

    8. JMJorge Masvidal31:53

       Yes, sir.

    9. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       I mean, we got, uh, Robbie Lawler who's, uh, he's, uh, about to fight, uh, Tyron Woodley again.

    10. JMJorge Masvidal32:01

        Yes.

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:01

        They're gonna have a rematch. That's a crazy fucking fight.

    12. JMJorge Masvidal32:03

        It's a crazy fight.

    13. JRJoe Rogan32:04

        Usman is waiting to see who's going to be next for him at 170, now that he's the champ. I mean, Wonderboy, uh, just got KO'd by Pettis-

    14. JMJorge Masvidal32:13

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan32:13

        ... which is crazy.

    16. JMJorge Masvidal32:15

        That's insane.

    17. JRJoe Rogan32:15

        That one's crazy.

    18. JMJorge Masvidal32:16

        And now, RDA, which is a rank, 70 pounder is going to fight, uh, he's gonna fight the 55... I just forgot his name right now this second. Uh, Kevin Lee.

    19. JRJoe Rogan32:26

        Oh, yeah, Kevin Lee is getting up to 70 now.

    20. JMJorge Masvidal32:28

        I feel for Kevin Lee. So-

    21. JRJoe Rogan32:28

        Yeah.

    22. JMJorge Masvidal32:28

        ... those are the things that throw me off. Like, if, if Pettis stays at 70, also, man, but if he goes down to 55, it kinda like makes it more of a, of a weird-

    23. JRJoe Rogan32:37

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JMJorge Masvidal32:37

        ... you know, set up. And same thing with Kevin Lee. I don't, I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or, or he's doing like a one-time, one-night stand thing, you know, 'cause-

    25. JRJoe Rogan32:44

        He's staying according to him. The... When I talked to him, he just had... It was just too hard for him.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal32:49

        Okay.

    27. JRJoe Rogan32:49

        It's like 55 just ruined him. Every time he got down there, he made... Well, you, you've met him. He's big.

    28. JMJorge Masvidal32:54

        Yeah, he's, he's big.

    29. JRJoe Rogan32:54

        He's a big guy.

    30. JMJorge Masvidal32:55

        Yeah.
12. 34:40 – 36:56

    Florida marijuana policy, medical access, and why legality improves safety

    1. JRJoe Rogan34:40

       What's it like in Florida getting weed? Is it hard now?

    2. JMJorge Masvidal34:43

       Florida is a fucking mafia, man. And I'm gonna get kill'd for this, but, you know, every state when legal and had the flour and shit.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JMJorge Masvidal34:49

       We only had wax.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:51

       That's it?

    6. JMJorge Masvidal34:51

       That's it, man. They didn't le-

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:52

       And that's for medical, right? UFC has medical.

    8. JMJorge Masvidal34:53

       Yeah, for medical. They're literally about to become-

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       They have cancer.

    10. JMJorge Masvidal34:56

        I think flour just became legal in Florida or it's about to become legal.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:59

        Medical.

    12. JMJorge Masvidal35:00

        One of the two.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:00

        Right?

    14. JMJorge Masvidal35:00

        Yeah, medical.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:01

        Yeah.

    16. JMJorge Masvidal35:01

        Yeah. No, uh, no just smoking the smoke.

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:05

        I wonder if they're gonna be easy with the medical recommendations the way they used to be for opiates. Opiates, you'd be able to just... you'd be able to get oxys with like... just go to a doctor, one of those little pain management centers.

    18. JMJorge Masvidal35:16

        Oh, in Florida?

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:17

        Yeah.

    20. JMJorge Masvidal35:18

        Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sure.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:18

        I wonder how hard it's going to be to get weed because they, they... obviously, there's someone who's spending some money trying to keep it from being f- fully legal there.

    22. JMJorge Masvidal35:27

        Yes. Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:27

        Yeah.

    24. JMJorge Masvidal35:28

        And I think a big part of it is because of... like South Florida culture, um, there's a lot of natural growers over there.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:35

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal35:35

        They grew like... it's always been a big business, it's illegal of course, to, to grow marijuana in Florida and sell it, you know, especially in Miami, Florida. And a lot of people did this. So I think when the rules came about legalizing medically, marijuana, they said, "We're not gonna have plants because then everybody's gonna grow plants and, you know, it's like we can't really charge them because it's, it's legal, you know." So that's why I think they did the wax.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:57

        Hmm.

    28. JMJorge Masvidal35:57

        'Cause you can't grow the wax in the air.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        Target manufacturer, yeah.

    30. JMJorge Masvidal35:59

        You know.
13. 36:56 – 45:24

    Askren feud: ‘new age’ trash talk, gym-code violations, and the Lawler stoppage debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       I wouldn't know nothing about that either. So when you look at the, the landscape now, um, you... you're obviously in the running for a shot at the title has anybody given you any indication of what you would have to do to get a shot at Usman or to, to be next in line?

    2. JMJorge Masvidal37:14

       Well, the next one is this, uh, this idiot. I won't even mention his name on your show because I'm not gonna make him famous. He's a fucking idiot, you know. But fight this guy and then go for the title. That's what they told me.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       So you have to fight somebody else?

    4. JMJorge Masvidal37:26

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:27

       What does his name rhyme with? Dolby?

    6. JMJorge Masvidal37:33

       No, no, no. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:33

       That guy?

    8. JMJorge Masvidal37:35

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       (laughs) You don't wanna say who it is?

    10. JMJorge Masvidal37:38

        I was try- no, I was trying to think of something-

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:39

        Oh, Leon Edwards?

    12. JMJorge Masvidal37:40

        No, no, no, not that g-... He just made that guy famous too.

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:43

        (laughs) I- Nobody knows that guy. ... think you made him famous a couple weeks ago. Oh, uh- Who? ... Schmen. Who? No.

    14. JMJorge Masvidal37:51

        Schmen, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:54

        Oh, that's right. You're supposed to fight at Ben Askren in July.

    16. JMJorge Masvidal37:58

        That, that fucking dork.

    17. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        You don't like him?

    18. JMJorge Masvidal38:00

        Not one bit.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:01

        Really?

    20. JMJorge Masvidal38:02

        Not one bit, nah. Not as a person-

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:03

        Why did I forget that y- that was, that fight was scheduled? Um, wha- how, what's, what's the problem with Ben Askren?

    22. JMJorge Masvidal38:10

        He's, he's that new age, you know, and he's like a fucking 40-year-old, uh, science teacher too, I don't know why-

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:15

        (laughs)

    24. JMJorge Masvidal38:15

        ... he acts like he's new age. But he's like these new age dudes that just fucking talk, like, just talk and talk and, and talk about everybody.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:22

        Right.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal38:22

        Shut the fuck up. 'cause when you s- when, when somebody sees you in person, you're not that guy. And like I said, I'm not, I don't come from the technology world, I come from, like, if you, if you say, like, "Yo, fucking Joe, you're a fucking idiot. Well, are you gonna punch me in the face?" Where I better be ready for it, you know? I, I'm just not going around disrespecting people. I get taught respect because if not, somebody's gonna make you respect, you know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:45

        Right.

    28. JMJorge Masvidal38:46

        But these guys nowadays they grow up with these little things and they can just say whatever the fuck they want. Words carry weight, especially my kids can read your stupid comments.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:54

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JMJorge Masvidal38:54

        You know, my kids have access to the internet now. I just don't like them, you know. One incident I'll, I'll remind you, when Khabib won the title, right? And, uh, Ben immediately comes out, "I'm Khabib's kryptonite, I would smash him." So I'm like, like, "For starters, you're a 70-pounder you fucking moron. He's a 55-pounder and you're not even in the UFC." You know? He's a- he's that type of guy, an attention whore. "Look at me, look at me." I, I don't even like his fighting style. I like a lot of wrestlers' style because if that's what you did and you're imposing it and winning, awesome, but when your sole purpose is just to hug somebody's leg as hard as you can, and then y- I, I don't know what you think about the Robbie fight, but he didn't win that fight in my eyes, you know?
14. 45:24 – 48:10

    The Leon Edwards backstage incident: respect, bullying, and ‘business vs personal’

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Mm-hmm. Did- did you get ups- I mean, when- when you went over and got into a fight with Leon, you were being interviewed. He was yelling some shit at you while you were being interviewed, and you walked over, and one of... one of the things that I like what you said is that you walked over with your hands behind your back. You were like, "Look, we'll just talk. Say what the fuck you wanna say to me." But then when he was standing in front of you like he wanted to punch you, you were like, "Okay."

    2. JMJorge Masvidal45:50

       Well, you know, for a start-

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       What was he saying to you?

    4. JMJorge Masvidal45:53

       Well, initially, um, I was doing my interview, and he's crossing by and he's with his corner man, and I don't know if this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what, that he thought that that would intimidate him. He was, he was walking like this, looking at me and, like, pacing back and forth, and I'm trying to do my interview, you know? And he asked me something about something, a date. And I say, "Maybe, maybe not." And then he tells me to shut up. You know, we're on... we're... (laughs) Everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, "You should've punched him as soon as he asked you a question while you're in an interview," 'cause that's my natural instinct, you know? If you're getting interviewed and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interviewer off, bro, you should get punched or slapped upside your head, you know? That'll teach you respect not to do that to nobody else again. I shoulda immediately done it, but I didn't. I answered his question politely, "Maybe, maybe not." He goes on to say, "Shut up," after that. I can't take that. My daughter might be watching this interview. I've been telling her, "Stand up to bullies your whole life. Don't go running to somebody and telling 'em, 'Oh, so-and-so is picking on me.'" You handle it yourself. That's what's wrong with this country, I think, with this whole, "If somebody picks on you, go tell somebody else." I'm not gonna tell authorities this hooligan's picking on me. I'm gonna handle it myself, you know? 'Cause I'm gonna see him again; he's gonna think he can pick on me. Gotta handle it myself, you know? I'm in my interview, man. You're gonna steal my moment? I just worked out here, I just kicked-

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JMJorge Masvidal47:09

       -some butt out here. You barely won a split decision in your own country. I knocked this dude out, and you're trying to steal my shine like this? That- that's what I'm saying, like-

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JMJorge Masvidal47:17

       And then he got famous off that, which I hate. It's the only thing I can take back about that night that it wasn't filmed. If they hadn't filmed it, it'd be even better, you know? He woulda just gone off in silence, you know? Leon got his ass beat.

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       But I think it helped you two.

    10. JMJorge Masvidal47:30

        N- did it help me? Yeah, but it helped him more than anything.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        Nah.

    12. JMJorge Masvidal47:32

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:33

        No, it helped you.

    14. JMJorge Masvidal47:35

        People know who this... People know who this hooligan is.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        People know Masvidal doesn't take any shit.

    16. JMJorge Masvidal47:38

        People have known that since-

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        They know, but they like to see it.

    18. JMJorge Masvidal47:40

        -since before rainbows had color, they already knew that, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:44

        (laughs)

    20. JMJorge Masvidal47:44

        They didn't, they didn't need to see me whooping the shit out of that. They know that.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        People like to see it. They like to see it.

    22. JMJorge Masvidal47:48

        They like to get remembered, huh?

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:49

        Yeah.

    24. JMJorge Masvidal47:50

        Maybe.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:50

        They like to see people have consequences for shit-talking in this weird era of constant shit-talking, you know? P- I think people enjoy it. They like it. And if you guys ever fight, it makes it a bigger fight, for sure.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal48:05

        I guess, man. You know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:06

        Let me guess. Yeah.

    28. JMJorge Masvidal48:07

        But does that, like... I beat number three, I've been in this sport for a

15. 48:10 – 50:56

    Modern fight talk vs authentic rivalries: when hype works and when it rots the sport

    1. JMJorge Masvidal48:10

       while, I've been-

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:11

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JMJorge Masvidal48:11

       -beating up guys. Would that validate him to fight me when... I don't...

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:15

       Not yet.

    5. JMJorge Masvidal48:15

       He hasn't beaten a top 10 guy yet.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       No.

    7. JMJorge Masvidal48:16

       He's still yet to be the top 10 guy, you know? Like, but he could get that fight off that. That- that's a new age and era they were in, you know?

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:23

       Right. Right, that's a concern. Yeah. That's a concern.

    9. JMJorge Masvidal48:26

       I'll fi- when- when his- when he's beating a top 10 guy, I'm gonna be the first guy to expose him, to break his face. But until that moment comes, you're- you're talking about the business side, 'cause you already saw on the personal side, any day of the week, I will address you. But on the business side, get to my level, buddy. Put in the fucking work.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:45

        Yeah.

    11. JMJorge Masvidal48:45

        Go be the top 10 guy. Knock 'em the fuck out, and then talk to me.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:48

        Did you worry at all about getting in trouble for punching somebody in another country?

    13. JMJorge Masvidal48:52

        I was scared out of my fucking life, Joe.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:54

        Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

    15. JMJorge Masvidal48:55

        I was scared of... I thought this guy was gonna kill me, man.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:58

        Oh-

    17. JMJorge Masvidal48:58

        I might have not looked it, but I was scared out of my life.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:01

        Oh, okay. Yeah, I get it.

    19. JMJorge Masvidal49:01

        I'm very cold-blooded, you know? I get that from, from genetics, from my- my pops and them. But I was scared out of my mi- I thought this guy was gonna take everything I had, you know?

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:09

        You had to do that.

    21. JMJorge Masvidal49:10

        I had to defend myself, man.

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:11

        I understand it. I understand. But did you worry at all about them arresting you, or any weird shit like that over there? I mean, you're in another country.

    23. JMJorge Masvidal49:17

        I wanted to press charges.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:19

        Ah-huh.

    25. JMJorge Masvidal49:20

        I- that's how scared I was. But I'm not gonna press charges-

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:22

        I understand. I understand.

    27. JMJorge Masvidal49:23

        -'cause I'm a man.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:23

        Yeah.

    29. JMJorge Masvidal49:24

        But that's how I felt. I've s- No.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:25

        So you were in danger?
16. 50:56 – 1:27:13

    From UFC 236 to ONE FC: praising champions, streaming future, and global talent pools

    1. JRJoe Rogan50:56

       Yeah. What'd you think about that Stylebender-Gaslan fight?

    2. JMJorge Masvidal50:59

       Oh, that was pretty good, man.

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       That was wild shit.

    4. JMJorge Masvidal51:02

       That was pretty good.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:03

       Tested, both.

    6. JMJorge Masvidal51:04

       Both tested exactly.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:05

       Yeah, both tested.

    8. JMJorge Masvidal51:06

       Gaslan's got a ton of heart, man.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:08

       Whoo, he's a tank.

    10. JMJorge Masvidal51:10

        Was nobody gonna get mad at him if in the fifth round he said, "You know what?"

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:13

        Yeah.

    12. JMJorge Masvidal51:14

        "I'm done, man." He just fucking didn't stop-

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:15

        Kept going. Dug in. Survived. I mean-

    14. JMJorge Masvidal51:18

        ... didn't stop.

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:18

        ... incredible. It looked like Stylebender was gonna take him out several times.

    16. JMJorge Masvidal51:21

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        I mean, what a fight. And to have Calvin land the first big shot early on and drop Stylebender-

    18. JMJorge Masvidal51:28

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:28

        ... and show him some real adversity and let him know, "Hey, man, you can get knocked the fuck out in this fight."

    20. JMJorge Masvidal51:32

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        You know? That, that was a, that was a real awesome moment, man. What a fight too, man. Back and forth, and-

    22. JMJorge Masvidal51:39

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:39

        ... whoa, so much chaos. And to have Calvin head kick him and rock him, how about that shit? The thing that really rocked Stylebender was a fucking head kick from Calvin going, "Whoa!"

    24. JMJorge Masvidal51:50

        I, I thought really, uh, Calvin would press him up against the cage-

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JMJorge Masvidal51:54

        ... maybe get a takedown, but just definitely keep him up against the cage and work him there, you know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:57

        Yeah.

    28. JMJorge Masvidal51:57

        With his wrestling background, when I didn't, I didn't see that going like that, you know?

    29. JRJoe Rogan52:02

        Yeah.

    30. JMJorge Masvidal52:03

        Yeah.

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