JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Three, two, one. And…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Three, two, one. And we're live? We're live! What's up, brother?

   2. JMJorge Masvidal0:14

      What's up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Dude, how are you?

   4. JMJorge Masvidal0:16

      Very good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      We got you in here finally, man. How many times we have to talk about this? Several, right?

   6. JMJorge Masvidal0:21

      A lot. This was... The universe wanted it right now.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      The universe made it happen after the Till victory. That was, uh... That was, that was, uh, for a lot of people, a big coming out party for you.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal0:30

      Was it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Yeah.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal0:31

       I thought I was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah, you were already out.

   12. JMJorge Masvidal0:33

       ... already out and about. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       But that was like, Holy shit. The way you put him out, it was h- that was a holy shit moment.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal0:39

       That... I was going for that moment. That's what I was trying to do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal0:42

       I knew a decision wasn't gonna come my way that way, you know? Not to say nothing about, uh, the English, but I, I don't like the judging over there. I've seen a lot of decisions go like...

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal0:51

       S- super crooked, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I don't like decisions in almost every state.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal0:55

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       You know? I mean, there's, there's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head at and you don't understand.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal1:02

       You go, "Ugh." What's the worst one you can think of?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Pff... I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to sit back and go over the archives. But I've seen some horrible ones.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal1:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Even ones where guys win, they, like, barely win. You're like, "How the fuck was that close?"

   26. JMJorge Masvidal1:15

       Yeah. Like, 29, 28. It was like 30-23. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Yeah, that kind of shit. And you're like, "What round?" Yeah, there's a lot of those.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal1:19

       But it's getting better though, because more fighters every day are joining that force, you know. Where I see or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff. So, I know 10 years from now there's going to be nothing but productive people in there. People that know what they're looking at, you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       We can only hope. I mean, that's the number one problem. I think the scoring system sucks too. Like adopting a 10-9. Even the new improved scoring system, it's like... MMA is so much different than boxing. And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, you know, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping pong.

   30. JMJorge Masvidal1:50

       Yeah, yeah. It's the... it's the mafia.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   No? …

   1. JMJorge Masvidal15:00

      N- not with that one, with the same exact one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      No?

   3. JMJorge Masvidal15:02

      Similar ones-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Similar?

   5. JMJorge Masvidal15:03

      ... but I didn't, uh, I didn't go s- full southpaw to, to the blitz.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Hmm.

   7. JMJorge Masvidal15:07

      You know, I did it, uh, other different ways, you know. And I also caught him a lot with, like, overhand and left hook as he was coming in, especially in the second round. I caught him I think maybe twice with that combo.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Yeah, man. That was a big knockout. That was a big knockout. He's a, he's an interesting guy 'cause he's really too big for 170.

   9. JMJorge Masvidal15:24

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       He's so fucking tall. But you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all. Like how much weight do you cut?

   11. JMJorge Masvidal15:29

       For seve-... Well, by the time I get into shape-shape, I'm around 182 pounds, 180 pounds. So fight week, I get over there and I'm like eight pounds away, seven, seven pounds away, you know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That's so light.

   13. JMJorge Masvidal15:42

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       It's nice.

   15. JMJorge Masvidal15:43

       I don't cut anything. At 55, if I... if everything went right, when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5% body fat. And the rest is just water, man. It would fucking kill me. So I, I always felt that was too big for 55, you know. I, I loved it 'cause the competition was stiffer, but it was just getting harder and harder. And once they took those IVs away, forget it, there was no way for me to make that weight.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Hmm. Yeah, and moving up has been very successful for you. I mean-

   17. JMJorge Masvidal16:09

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       ... you look better moving up than I think you have e- e- ever in your career.

   19. JMJorge Masvidal16:12

       I don't think I had any stoppages at 55 with the hands, like ending somebody.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Right.

   21. JMJorge Masvidal16:16

       I dropped, like, numerous people, but I never KO'd somebody stiff, you know. And at 70 I got a couple of them and it's...

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Do you attribute that to having more power at 70? Like being-

   23. JMJorge Masvidal16:25

       More energy.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       ... he- health- healthier, feeling better?

   25. JMJorge Masvidal16:26

       Energy, confident, you know.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JMJorge Masvidal16:28

       Once, once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have to fist fight, that's still in the back of your mind, like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       Right.

   29. JMJorge Masvidal16:33

       ... "Ugh, c- c-..." You know, "Do I have f- 50 good ha- right hands in me," you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       Right, right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. Well, that fight…

   1. JMJorge Masvidal30:00

      Blow or this guy." You know? I'm like, already been sitting out seven months nursing my injuries. I'm already thinking, "Yeah, I'll fight whoever it is," you know? So while this is going on, the reality show's pitching numbers at us. They keep increasing the number every time. They get to a decent number, they talk to my manager. My manager talks to me, he's like, "Yeah, I can't get you no fight right now that you want. Why don't you just go there a couple weeks, one or two weeks, collect these paychecks, come back, and that's it?" You know? And, uh, the- the reality show is, like, you go through, like, a parkour, um, kind of obstacles, and then at the end you gotta aim. So while your heart rate's all up, you'd have to, like, knock down water bottles with a frisbee or a football or something like that. But the cool part is that I'm up against Olympic gymnasts, parkour dudes, um, tennis players, soccer players. All types of athletes were just mixed in there, and we're just all competing in this thing. So it was pretty cool, you know? It was an awesome experience. I ended up lasting 13 weeks in the show, and the show ran for about 15 weeks. So I got pretty far deep in it, you know? And, uh, the coolest thing was that I got to be alone by myself, because one of the things is there's no cellphone, there's no TV, there's no music on the show. So it's just the interaction of us, and outside of that, that's it. That's your only interactions. You don't have no interactions with the town people or nothing. They strictly forbid that, you know? They want you, like, caged up. So it was awesome, I thought. You know, after a while it was the best. I'd go work out in the nature... and be by myself in the mountains or in the beach and just chilling, and you really get to notice yourself. And that's why I call it the resurrection because I thought about like all the negative dumb things that I've done in my life and just let me eliminate them, whether I like them in my life or not, let me just eliminate that shit, and that's it, you know. That's why we call it the resurrection, you know.

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:37

      Yeah. Well, that fight with Till, man, if anybody had any doubts, that fight erased all of them.

   3. JMJorge Masvidal31:42

      For sure.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:42

      And that was, uh... I mean, T- Till was top five (clears throat) , right?

   5. JMJorge Masvidal31:45

      Number three.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:45

      When you knocked him out, I believe so.

   7. JMJorge Masvidal31:47

      Number three, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:48

      Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, that puts you in the hunt now. And what a crazy goddamn division that is now.

   9. JMJorge Masvidal31:53

      Yes, sir.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       I mean, we got, uh, Robbie Lawler who's, uh, he's, uh, about to fight, uh, Tyron Woodley again.

   11. JMJorge Masvidal32:01

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       They're gonna have a rematch. That's a crazy fucking fight.

   13. JMJorge Masvidal32:03

       It's a crazy fight.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       Usman is waiting to see who's going to be next for him at 170, now that he's the champ. I mean, Wonderboy, uh, just got KO'd by Pettis-

   15. JMJorge Masvidal32:13

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       ... which is crazy.

   17. JMJorge Masvidal32:15

       That's insane.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       That one's crazy.

   19. JMJorge Masvidal32:16

       And now, RDA, which is a rank, 70 pounder is going to fight, uh, he's gonna fight the 55... I just forgot his name right now this second. Uh, Kevin Lee.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Oh, yeah, Kevin Lee is getting up to 70 now.

   21. JMJorge Masvidal32:28

       I feel for Kevin Lee. So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       Yeah.

   23. JMJorge Masvidal32:28

       ... those are the things that throw me off. Like, if, if Pettis stays at 70, also, man, but if he goes down to 55, it kinda like makes it more of a, of a weird-

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JMJorge Masvidal32:37

       ... you know, set up. And same thing with Kevin Lee. I don't, I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or, or he's doing like a one-time, one-night stand thing, you know, 'cause-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       He's staying according to him. The... When I talked to him, he just had... It was just too hard for him.

   27. JMJorge Masvidal32:49

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       It's like 55 just ruined him. Every time he got down there, he made... Well, you, you've met him. He's big.

   29. JMJorge Masvidal32:54

       Yeah, he's, he's big.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       He's a big guy.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. And I get…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      full respect, before and after.

   2. JMJorge Masvidal45:02

      Yeah. And I get a lot of people like... They have that, uh, "I hate you" syndrome going into a fight, so they don't wanna shake hands, they, "Fuck you, I don't like you." You know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal45:10

      But when- when they're giving so much attention to that WWF stuff and-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Right.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal45:17

      -and pushing you to the forefront, that-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal45:19

      -I don't really like, you know? And just to think that the kids watching it are gonna be even worse. They're gonna do it to the next power, you know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      Mm-hmm. Did- did you get ups- I mean, when- when you went over and got into a fight with Leon, you were being interviewed. He was yelling some shit at you while you were being interviewed, and you walked over, and one of... one of the things that I like what you said is that you walked over with your hands behind your back. You were like, "Look, we'll just talk. Say what the fuck you wanna say to me." But then when he was standing in front of you like he wanted to punch you, you were like, "Okay."

   10. JMJorge Masvidal45:50

       Well, you know, for a start-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       What was he saying to you?

   12. JMJorge Masvidal45:53

       Well, initially, um, I was doing my interview, and he's crossing by and he's with his corner man, and I don't know if this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what, that he thought that that would intimidate him. He was, he was walking like this, looking at me and, like, pacing back and forth, and I'm trying to do my interview, you know? And he asked me something about something, a date. And I say, "Maybe, maybe not." And then he tells me to shut up. You know, we're on... we're... (laughs) Everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, "You should've punched him as soon as he asked you a question while you're in an interview," 'cause that's my natural instinct, you know? If you're getting interviewed and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interviewer off, bro, you should get punched or slapped upside your head, you know? That'll teach you respect not to do that to nobody else again. I shoulda immediately done it, but I didn't. I answered his question politely, "Maybe, maybe not." He goes on to say, "Shut up," after that. I can't take that. My daughter might be watching this interview. I've been telling her, "Stand up to bullies your whole life. Don't go running to somebody and telling 'em, 'Oh, so-and-so is picking on me.'" You handle it yourself. That's what's wrong with this country, I think, with this whole, "If somebody picks on you, go tell somebody else." I'm not gonna tell authorities this hooligan's picking on me. I'm gonna handle it myself, you know? 'Cause I'm gonna see him again; he's gonna think he can pick on me. Gotta handle it myself, you know? I'm in my interview, man. You're gonna steal my moment? I just worked out here, I just kicked-

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal47:09

       -some butt out here. You barely won a split decision in your own country. I knocked this dude out, and you're trying to steal my shine like this? That- that's what I'm saying, like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal47:17

       And then he got famous off that, which I hate. It's the only thing I can take back about that night that it wasn't filmed. If they hadn't filmed it, it'd be even better, you know? He woulda just gone off in silence, you know? Leon got his ass beat.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       But I think it helped you two.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal47:30

       N- did it help me? Yeah, but it helped him more than anything.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       Nah.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal47:32

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:33

       No, it helped you.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal47:35

       People know who this... People know who this hooligan is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       People know Masvidal doesn't take any shit.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal47:38

       People have known that since-

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       They know, but they like to see it.

   26. JMJorge Masvidal47:40

       -since before rainbows had color, they already knew that, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:44

       (laughs)

   28. JMJorge Masvidal47:44

       They didn't, they didn't need to see me whooping the shit out of that. They know that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       People like to see it. They like to see it.

   30. JMJorge Masvidal47:48

       They like to get remembered, huh?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:43

   Hmm. …

   1. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:00

      media, when they see me, "Hey, what's up, bro? Let me get a picture, dawg," fucking fanboyed out. I go, "Man, I could have sworn you were just mentioning my name saying some shit, bro." That's fucking nuts to me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Hmm.

   3. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:11

      Blows my mind.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Right. Yeah.

   5. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:14

      I'm such a simpleton, bro. It just blows my mind every time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      No, you're a purist. I mean-

   7. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:18

      I don't know if it's a purist, simple. I don't know where you wanna put me, but it's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Mm-hmm. It's not simple, man.

   9. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:22

      ... mind-blowing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       You just don't wanna play that game. You're not interested in that game.

   11. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:24

       It's mind-blowing, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Listen, Khabib's not interested in that fucking game either.

   13. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:27

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       When he was on top of Conor, "Let's talk now."

   15. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:30

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Bam, "Let's talk."

   17. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:31

       I respect that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       "Come on, Conor, let's talk. Let's talk now."

   19. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:33

       I love that shit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Same shit. Purist. I love it.

   21. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:35

       I love that shit, bro.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       I do. I appreciate when that shit-talking has consequences.

   23. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:41

       Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       I like some shit-talking, though. It's fun. It makes it exciting.

   25. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:44

       I, I like shit-talking when you back it up, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Yeah.

   27. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:47

       Back that shit up.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Yeah.

   29. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:48

       Not, you see me in a hallway lobby in fucking run to security and get us escorted out.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Who's a guy you fought in the past you had the most beef with before you actually fought?

Episode duration: 1:57:33