JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards

Joe Rogan 0:00 (paper rustling) Doot, doot. (hand slamming) Yves Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, sir.

Yves Edwards 0:06 Hey.

Joe Rogan 0:07 Good to see you, brother. What's going on?

Yves Edwards 0:08 Um, everything and nothing, man.

Joe Rogan 0:10 Everything and nothing?

Yves Edwards 0:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:11 You were telling me you're, uh, this is a crazy w- time for you. You're, you're a vagabond. You're traveling around, man.

Yves Edwards 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Like a gypsy.

Yves Edwards 0:16 I, I, I like the term nomad.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Nomad's good.

Yves Edwards 0:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:19 It's a good term.

Yves Edwards 0:19 Yeah, vagabond makes it sound like I'm poor-

Joe Rogan 0:21 Right, right, right.

Yves Edwards 0:21 ... and I got, like, a stick with my-

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 0:22 ... clothes tied in a back and...

Joe Rogan 0:23 Yeah, nomad's like a gypsy with money.

Yves Edwards 0:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:26 No, but gypsies are... Is that a derogatory term?

Narrator 0:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:28 I- it didn't used to be. I think it might be now.

Yves Edwards 0:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:30 They can say it. Like, King of the Gypsies is, uh, Tyson Fury. He's allowed to say it.

Yves Edwards 0:35 He's allowed to say it.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Might be one of them things.

Yves Edwards 0:37 Yeah, we got a word like that.

Joe Rogan 0:38 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 0:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 A lot of people do. Those words are expanding. There's more of those words than before.

Yves Edwards 0:45 Uh, can, can... See, I'm gonna get in trouble right now.

Joe Rogan 0:48 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 0:48 (laughs) Can, can midgets call themselves midgets?

Joe Rogan 0:50 I don't know, man. I don't know. That's a good one. That used to be a normal one. You know, if you... And you know what's really crazy? If you look at when kids had, were born with Down syndrome, the original term was mongoloid idiot. That used to be, like, they would put that on, uh, birth certificates.

Yves Edwards 1:08 (laughs) Like, are, are, like, when you say the original term, are any of those people still alive? Like, is that still on somebody who's alive-

Joe Rogan 1:15 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:15 ... his birth certificate?

Joe Rogan 1:16 (clicks tongue) That's a good question. Do people with Down syndrome live less? They don't live as long, right?

Yves Edwards 1:20 I think that's the case.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Yeah, you don't, you don't see a lot of older people-

Yves Edwards 1:25 Yeah, with Down syndrome.

Joe Rogan 1:27 ... with Down syndrome. I don't know. This, like, we're tightening up the word... I just can't wait till we can read minds.

Yves Edwards 1:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:32 So, uh, th- all this nonsense will just go out the window. I think once we can read minds and then you just see intent and there's no, like, words. Like, 'cause right now it's just words that convey intent and some of those words are forbidden. But some of those words have, uh, like bitch, perfect example. Like, you could say, "That's a bad bitch."

Yves Edwards 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Like, "This bitch is crazy." Like, or, "This bitch is fine." Th- th- you know, you could say, "This bitch is hot. This bitch is c- th- that bitch is so cool." Or you could say, "Oh my God, this girl's a bitch." You know?

Yves Edwards 2:03 Yeah, the connotation's completely different.

Joe Rogan 2:05 There's so many of them.

Yves Edwards 2:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06 There's so many different ones.

Yves Edwards 2:08 Words, man. Words is a hard thing. I remember one time Mickey, Joe, Mickey, Joe Schilling, (laughs) Mickey Gall, Joe Schilling and I were talking about, about words and, and perceptions and, like, like, your shirt. Your shirt is green, right? But if I were to be in your consciousness, will I see your shirt and would I see it as, as red, but I-

Joe Rogan 2:27 Right.

Yves Edwards 2:27 ... I know it as green?

Joe Rogan 2:29 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 2:29 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:29 Oh, for sure.

Yves Edwards 2:30 Do we see the same colors as the same thing?

Joe Rogan 2:31 No, we don't... We have no way of knowing. Right?

Yves Edwards 2:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:34 I have no way of knowing what... Like, some people are into weird shit, like yellow cars.

Yves Edwards 2:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:40 Right?

Yves Edwards 2:41 That's not weird, though.

Joe Rogan 2:42 That's weird.

Yves Edwards 2:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:43 Of all the colors to paint a car, like, why the fuck do you want a yellow car?

Yves Edwards 2:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:49 (laughs) Like, uh, a nice car. Like, you see, like, a yellow Corvette. Like, what the fuck are you doing to that Corvette?

Yves Edwards 2:54 I swear you were gonna say something different. I swear I was like-

Joe Rogan 2:57 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 2:57 He's like, "People listen to the people into weird shit." I thought you were gonna say, like, scat or something. But like-

Joe Rogan 3:01 Oh, well, they're, they're definitely into that.

Yves Edwards 3:02 Like yellow cars, that's not so bad.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah, but, I mean, I don't know what they're seeing. Like, to me, a yellow car is like, "Ah, that's unfortunate."

Yves Edwards 3:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:10 You know? Like, "Why would you t- do that color?" Did, like, maybe it was on, on sale 'cause it's a shitty color. I think that.

Yves Edwards 3:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:16 You know?

Yves Edwards 3:16 So yellow cars should cost less? Less.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Unless you just, you have, trying to make a point, like, your, your car is like a bumblebee or something. You know, like, you got black stripes and yellow and...

Yves Edwards 3:28 See, that would be cool.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 3:29 On a bug, on a Mustang.

Joe Rogan 3:32 (sighs)

Yves Edwards 3:32 I don't know what else. I think those are the only two cars that really should be yellow.

Joe Rogan 3:36 A Mustang? Ugh.

Yves Edwards 3:37 Like, if you're gonna paint it, like, with, um, some flames on it. I don't even like Mustangs.

Joe Rogan 3:41 (laughs) You don't like Mustangs?

Yves Edwards 3:42 I'm not, I'm, I'm not a big muscle car guy. I do like-

Joe Rogan 3:44 Ugh.

Yves Edwards 3:44 ... sports cars.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 3:45 I'm not crazy about muscle cars.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Somebody needs to indoctrinate you into the world of muscle cars.

Yves Edwards 3:49 I don't-

Joe Rogan 3:49 I bet you just haven't seen the right ones.

Yves Edwards 3:50 You know, I think, I think that comes from where I grew up. Because, like, you need a lot of open road-

Joe Rogan 3:57 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 3:57 ... for that. And we don't have that in the Bom- like, especially not-

Joe Rogan 3:59 Right.

Yves Edwards 3:59 ... where I'm from.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Right.

Yves Edwards 4:00 Like, like, I, I'm not a big fan of, um, of, like, choppers. I'm not a f- I, I don't like them.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Yeah, those seem silly to me.

Yves Edwards 4:05 I like-

Joe Rogan 4:05 They seem like you can't turn.

Yves Edwards 4:07 Yeah. I like crotch rockets and, and dirt bikes.

Joe Rogan 4:09 This shit drives me crazy.

Yves Edwards 4:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:11 The eight handles on your Holden, if you don't know what, um, for people just listening-

Yves Edwards 4:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 ... they have handlebars that are above your fucking head.

Yves Edwards 4:19 Yeah, you're hanging.

Joe Rogan 4:20 So you're driving around like this.

Yves Edwards 4:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:21 And you, if you have to turn quick, you're fucked.

Yves Edwards 4:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:24 (laughs) Like, how can you get away from shit?

Yves Edwards 4:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 And then, and once it goes bad, uh, like, you- you're not gonna recover.

Yves Edwards 4:29 Yeah, I would think they would have, like, a secondary handlebar.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 4:33 Just so that you don't-

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 4:34 ... have to ride like that.

Joe Rogan 4:34 So you get tired, have some shit right over the gas tank.

Yves Edwards 4:36 That folds out.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 4:38 Like, we can do that. We could patent that and make that and probably make millions of dollars. Somebody's gotta steal that idea.

Joe Rogan 4:41 I feel like crotch rockets seem safer because they're more maneuverable.

Yves Edwards 4:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Like, you can handle those motherfuckers.

Yves Edwards 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Like, those things move good.

Yves Edwards 4:49 Yeah, especially, I mean, that's what they're designed for, right?

Joe Rogan 4:51 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 4:52 For you to control at a high speed. I saw this video of a, of a motocross, uh, I don't know what you call it more than crotch rockets are racing. But, um, these guys were racing and this dude was like, he was losing it and he got thrown off.

Joe Rogan 5:03 I saw that.

Yves Edwards 5:03 But he was on his knees.

Joe Rogan 5:04 He got sideways.

Yves Edwards 5:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Yeah. He hung on there.

Yves Edwards 5:06 Man.

Joe Rogan 5:06 And it looks like he was still giving it the gas.

Yves Edwards 5:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 5:09 I don't know, I don't know what the rules are on, like, cutting the track.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Right.

Yves Edwards 5:13 But, but, like, if, if, if that, if he wasn't disqualified, that was a ninja move.

Joe Rogan 5:17 How do you get back on though? You'd have to slow down.

Yves Edwards 5:20 You have to, right? Yeah, yeah, you gotta do a ninja move. You gotta hit the brake real hard so you slam and then you, your body shoots into the air.

Joe Rogan 5:27 (laughs) Yeah. Like, hit the brake-

Yves Edwards 5:27 Land back on the bike.

Joe Rogan 5:28 ... and pop your hips up-

Yves Edwards 5:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:29 ... at the same time. I don't know, man.

Yves Edwards 5:31 Like something you see in The Fast and the Furious.

Joe Rogan 5:33 I'm scared of bikes.

Yves Edwards 5:34 I don't know how to ride.

Joe Rogan 5:35 You don't know how at all?

Yves Edwards 5:36 I mean, I can ride a bicycle, but I can't ride a motorcycle. I can't ride a cro- I've never ridden a crotch rocket. I've only ridden scooters. That's not good.

Joe Rogan 5:42 You know what? They're making them electric now. You won't even... There's no gears. It's just like a Tesla.

Yves Edwards 5:48 But, but I don't, I don't, like, I don't know. The whole thing about riding a bike is being able to control it, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 5:53 Well, you can still control the speed, but you're not going to be able to shift gears. You don't have to do the shit with your left foot where you're going with the clutch and up and down and all that jazz. You have to learn how to do that. You don't have to do that with one of those things. It's just... (mimicking engine revving)

Yves Edwards 6:07 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 6:07 That-

Joe Rogan 6:07 They're gonna be fucking ridiculously fast too.

Yves Edwards 6:10 I feel like I would be like the guy on ... And, and you know when, like, when you go to Dave & Buster's or something-

Joe Rogan 6:13 Vroom, vroom.

Yves Edwards 6:14 ... on the, on the motorcycle video game.

Joe Rogan 6:15 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 6:16 You know?

Joe Rogan 6:16 In the, in Europe, they're making cars, like electric cars have noise. You have to have noise like a regular car so that people can hear you. That's dumb.

Yves Edwards 6:25 Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, you're not riding on the sidewalk, right?

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah, well, I, yeah, I mean, I guess it's i- if people are crossing streets and shit.

Yves Edwards 6:35 Um, maybe also, I don't know what the, what the rules in Europe are for riding motorcycles, but, um, I don't know, do you hear guys when they're riding on the, on the ... in between lanes? You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 6:44 N- I don't hear them all the time. There's a lot of times where you don't ... You have to, like-

Yves Edwards 6:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:48 ... in LA that's such a ... When I grew up in Boston and you couldn't do that. That's not legal. Everybody has to stay in a lane.

Yves Edwards 6:54 Really?

Joe Rogan 6:55 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 6:55 In Texas it's legal.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Oh, is-

Yves Edwards 6:57 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 ... cut- splitting lanes?

Yves Edwards 6:58 Yeah, so I don't know.

Joe Rogan 6:58 I wonder how often it's legal ver- versus illegal. Well, there's a lot of states that don't even ... you don't have to wear helmets.

Yves Edwards 7:05 Yeah, Texas was one of them. I don't know if that's changed.

Joe Rogan 7:07 That's fucking crazy.

Yves Edwards 7:07 I know Louisiana is one.

Joe Rogan 7:09 That's crazy. When I was in ... The last time I was in Miami I was watching dudes fly by me on the highway with no helmet on.

Yves Edwards 7:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Like, oof.

Yves Edwards 7:15 I don't know, though. I mean, do you, do you want a helmet on and you hit something at 90 miles an hour? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:19 (laughs) I don't know. Um, uh, I mean, yes and no. It's like I think sometimes people make it, you know?

Yves Edwards 7:27 Yeah. But, like, what, what about you get all that pain-

Joe Rogan 7:31 What's this, Jamie?

Yves Edwards 7:32 ... and then you die.

Joe Rogan 7:32 "California remains the only state to allow lane splitting." Wow.

Yves Edwards 7:36 Oh, wow. So I guess it's no longer a thing.

Narrator 7:38 I think you can just do it whenever you want. It's on the motorcyclist to be ... risk at your ... uh, take your own risk.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Oh, so Cal- in California it's legal.

Narrator 7:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:47 But in all the other places it's just, you just kinda do it?

Narrator 7:49 It's prob- probably, yeah, I mean ...

Joe Rogan 7:52 Hmm.

Narrator 7:53 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 7:54 It's weird. So it's i- immediately crossing the state line-

Joe Rogan 7:56 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 7:56 ... unless nobody crosses the state line.

Narrator 7:57 It has Texas, Oregon-

Joe Rogan 7:58 Of course, yeah.

Narrator 7:58 ... Nevada here too. I don't know. Maybe it's partially legal there or something.

Yves Edwards 8:03 Certain cities?

Narrator 8:04 Areas, yeah. Freeway maybe only or something.

Yves Edwards 8:07 L- like, um, traffic laws, it's weird, traffic laws being different, like so different in, in every state.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 8:13 I was, um, in Texas a couple of days ago and I'm driving and I'm getting over 'cause the cops pulled somebody over, um, on the highway and the passenger, she's like, "Why are you getting over? Like, you don't have to do it." But in Texas you're supposed to. If you, if you-

Joe Rogan 8:28 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 8:28 ... can get over, you're supposed to get over and give them that lane berth, otherwise you slow down to, like, 10 miles below the speed limit or whatever. Um, but, like, in DC, Maryland, where she's from, it's like, you don't have to do that. (laughs) Like, but it's like, if I'm from, if I'm from Maryland and I'm in Texas and I do that and then another cop's behind me, I'm getting a ticket, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 8:49 Right.

Yves Edwards 8:49 ... if you don't know the law, it's not the ... it's still not their fault, right?

Joe Rogan 8:52 Right.

Yves Edwards 8:53 It's your fault for not knowing, not knowing.

Joe Rogan 8:54 Did you see the, the Hong Kong protests that are going on?

Yves Edwards 8:57 No.

Joe Rogan 8:57 There's crazy protests going on in Hong Kong, but what's, uh, amazing is there was an ambulance and the ambulance was trying to ... I mean, there's giant crowds on the street, I mean, f- fucking thousands if not m- a million people, right? They part like the sea for this, for this ambulance. It's crazy. Like, if that shit was happening in America-

Yves Edwards 9:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:17 ... good luck. You could blow that horn all you want. What is this, Jamie?

Yves Edwards 9:21 We're gonna have to ru- Oh, is that it?

Joe Rogan 9:23 Oh, is this, is this it?

Yves Edwards 9:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:24 You gonna ... Mm.

Yves Edwards 9:26 Why does, why does it say North Point and not, like, Chinese characters on the street?

Joe Rogan 9:30 Yeah. You sure this is the one?

Narrator 9:33 Uh, Hong Kong, I mean.

Joe Rogan 9:34 "Hong Kong protesters block road, ma- way for ambulance." I saw an overhead shot of it, it was more impressive because it was, uh, this giant sea of people and they all just made way and everybody got right the fuck outta the way for ambulances.

Yves Edwards 9:47 It's like when a predatory fish swims through, like, a s-

Joe Rogan 9:49 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 9:49 ... small school of fish.

Joe Rogan 9:50 Oh, here it is. This, this-

Narrator 9:51 There's a, this is a different one. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:51 ... is what I saw, yeah. So these people just open up. Good luck trying that shit in America.

Narrator 9:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 9:59 I mean, these people are so polite. (laughs)

Narrator 10:01 There's millions of protesters there.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Yeah.

Narrator 10:03 Like, it's two to three million or something.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yeah, what do the ... Do you know what they're protesting over?

Narrator 10:07 I, I can't exactly-

Joe Rogan 10:07 I can't ... There's so much outrage worldwide I can't keep track.

Yves Edwards 10:11 Man, yeah, there's stuff going on everywhere. You see that, there's, there's stuff in Sudan right now.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Everywhere.

Yves Edwards 10:16 You know?

Joe Rogan 10:17 Every part of the world is up in arms. Gaza, there's a bunch of shit going on there right now.

Yves Edwards 10:22 That's been going on forever.

Joe Rogan 10:23 You know, there's new, more recent shit. It's exhausting.

Yves Edwards 10:28 Yeah. And, like, why can't people just not be assholes, right?

Joe Rogan 10:31 It's impossible. That's why we need this mind-reading software.

Yves Edwards 10:35 The problem with that is, like, then you're just reading the mind of assholes.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Maybe. Maybe, but maybe people can let you know, like, "Hey, man. Uh, you don't have to think like that."

Yves Edwards 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:45 "Your problem is the way you're thinking."

Yves Edwards 10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 'Cause that's 90% of the problem with people is the way they think.

Narrator 10:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:51 And then they act on the way they think. I don't know if it's 90%, I never really ... I'm not a mathematician.

Yves Edwards 10:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:55 Just threw that number out there. What?

Yves Edwards 10:57 It's a lot.

Narrator 10:57 The thing that popped up yesterday, I showed you, is sort of on the way to what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 11:02 "How your friends can play a video game together using only your minds." Oh, okay, this is what you were talking about after the show.

Narrator 11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Telepathic communication. Yeah, this is, this is the future, 100%. There's going to be a time where we share some sort of ... I, I think it's gonna be some sort of a universal language. They're gonna create a language that's based, like, uh, on images or, or things that are culturally r- like, you could, it could s- cross boundaries. Like, people from other countries are gonna be able to understand it, you'll be able to understand it.

Yves Edwards 11:34 It has, like, Google Translate in it.

Joe Rogan 11:35 Yes. I really think that. I think there's gonna be a language. I mean, like, do you ever g- see someone's tweet ... I read, uh, tweets from people all the time from, uh, different countries. It's kinda cool that you could, like, read some Russian, see some Russian shit and then just say, "Translate the tweet." And you get a chance-

Narrator 11:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:51 ... to try to figure out what this guy's saying.

Yves Edwards 11:52 Yeah. Um, I've seen that a couple of times and then, especially with, um, some of my teammates' friends, Brazilian guys.

Joe Rogan 11:58 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 11:59 And, um, they will have it in Portuguese but they will also translate it, have it in English themselves.

Joe Rogan 12:03 Yeah, a lot of Brazilian guys do that. It's very smart.

Yves Edwards 12:04 But then when you translate it-It, like, it moves words that are already in the English translation and makes it, like, screwed up. It makes it like the grammar's all messed up.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 12:14 It's really weird. I don't know why, why it even touches the English if you're bringing it to that language.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Yeah, that's the problem with languages, right? Like, the way they say things is different.

Yves Edwards 12:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:23 So trying to translate something to English, you have to take some sort of editorial license. You'd have to move things around. What you're trying to say is this. You can't just translate it.

Yves Edwards 12:31 Yeah. Yeah, especially because of, like, where we place, like, prepositions-

Joe Rogan 12:37 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 12:37 ... and like, there's some, like, um, there are some languages where they don't have the word off. Like, they don't, they don't say, "Turn off the light." It's like when they s- when they speak in English, they say, "Kill the light."

Joe Rogan 12:47 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 12:48 You know?

Joe Rogan 12:49 Well, that's the way... I mean, you could still get it, you still... But yeah, if they don't have a off word. Like, I would imagine that Asians lang- Asian language is gonna be the hardest, right? Because they have characters, they don't even have letters, you know?

Yves Edwards 13:01 Yeah, their, their alphabet's so much, so much bigger and their characters can mean so many different things. This little piece of a character combined with this changes-

Joe Rogan 13:09 Everything, yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:09 ... changes each one individually.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:12 Like, it's like this one is water and this one is fire, and you put them together and it's chocolate.

Joe Rogan 13:16 When you were fighting, what was the place... Wh- what... You... How many times, different times did you travel overseas to fight?

Yves Edwards 13:23 Seven. Six or seven, something like that.

Joe Rogan 13:25 Was there any... What was the weirdest place?

Yves Edwards 13:27 Weirdest? Most different was Japan.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:30 But, um, I wouldn't say it was weird.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Just different.

Yves Edwards 13:33 Just different.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:34 Very different. It was like being in the future or something.

Joe Rogan 13:37 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 13:37 Right?

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yeah, right?

Yves Edwards 13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:38 In Tokyo. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:40 You're like, I, I, I don't know, it was a lot of fun, the different things they do. The, the weirdest thing about being over there was at that pachinko game. Like-

Joe Rogan 13:47 What's a pachinko game?

Yves Edwards 13:48 It's like these people, they play, they... It's like a gambling game and, um, they have these buckets of, like, ball bearings and they put them in the game and I don't, I don't even know what the rules are. But you see, like, older and, and middle-aged Japanese people, they just sit there for hours just playing and you win and it's like, um, like winning a slot... It's like a slot machine kind of, right? So when you win, like, you get a bunch of these, these balls back. I swear to you, if you... Like, I don't know, if Jamie pulled up, like, something with... It's... I think it's P-A-chinko, but-

Joe Rogan 14:18 Oh, sorry. Here's a guy who's-

Yves Edwards 14:20 Yeah, there it is.

Joe Rogan 14:20 "Japan's biggest gaming obsession explained: Pachinko."

Yves Edwards 14:24 They're like putting ball bearings in there and they just go for hours.

Joe Rogan 14:27 And they're all wearing... There's so many people wearing masks. (laughs) That's the other weird thing about Asia, right?

Yves Edwards 14:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:32 They got... A lot of people like to wear those masks. So, so that's the game? That thing that they're... This, this weird... How's it work?

Yves Edwards 14:41 Uh-

Joe Rogan 14:41 Did you play it?

Yves Edwards 14:42 No. I mean, I don't know, I don't know what you're trying to do.

Joe Rogan 14:46 Wow.

Yves Edwards 14:46 Like, everything is in Japanese. That, that's the currency for the game.

Joe Rogan 14:49 What?

Yves Edwards 14:49 Those ball bearings.

Joe Rogan 14:50 How many-

Yves Edwards 14:50 I, I really don't understand.

Joe Rogan 14:52 I can't believe I'm just finding out about this.

Yves Edwards 14:54 And you will see, you will see somebody sitting there and they will have buckets like, like this big, like square b- rectangular buckets and they'll have, like, two or three stacks of them next to them, and they just reach down-

Joe Rogan 15:05 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 15:05 ... and drop them in the machine and that's how they play. I, I don't know what they're doing, though.

Joe Rogan 15:08 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 15:09 I don't understand it at all. I want to play it, but then I'm like, "It looks stupid. I don't want to win ball bearings. What am I going to do, put them in my car?"

Joe Rogan 15:15 Yeah, what the fuck? Look at that, it's so strange. A bucket... This guy's just taking fists of ball bearings and throwing them into this machine, and then they're bouncing around like a, like a pinball machine turned up on its side.

Yves Edwards 15:29 Yeah. I, I, I don't, I don't understand it at all. I don't know... Like, what's the value on those ball bearings?

Joe Rogan 15:35 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 15:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:36 Dude, I, I don't... Look, every time I go to Vegas, every time I go through a casino, I freak out. I just, I just see those people, I feel like they're wasting their life playing those goddamn slot machines.

Yves Edwards 15:47 Slot machines, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:47 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 That's-

Yves Edwards 15:49 But the first time I went to... The first time I fought in Vegas, I, um, I played a slot machine. Um, that was the only time I've ever... I... This is the first time I gambled. Like, in the Bahamas when I was growing up also, Bahamians couldn't even gamble in the Bahamas. But then I came here and I was in Vegas and I was like, "I want to play slots," but I, I was, like, against gambling so I played the nickel slots for a while.

Joe Rogan 16:08 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 16:08 I won 20 bucks on the nickel slots, I remember I was shaking my, my, my winnings in people's faces like, "I won."

Joe Rogan 16:13 That's hilarious. You gotta go to, like, Circus Circus or some place to play the nickel slots.

Yves Edwards 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 You ever go to that place?

Yves Edwards 16:19 I've been... Yeah, I've stayed at Circus Circus before.

Joe Rogan 16:20 That's a window into history.

Yves Edwards 16:23 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:24 I go to Circus Circus every time I go to Vegas with my kids because, uh, my youngest daughter likes going there. She likes playing all those stupid carnival games. She thinks it's hilarious. She's nine, you know?

Yves Edwards 16:34 Yup.

Joe Rogan 16:35 So she likes shooting water at the thing and the balloon-

Yves Edwards 16:37 Yup.

Joe Rogan 16:38 ... pops and all that stuff, so we always go there. But it's always... And then they do, like, a circus show where they'll have, like, a clown and trapeze artists, but it's like... No disrespect, but it's kind of second rate. You know? Like, the, the trapeze guy's got a gut.

Yves Edwards 16:52 Yeah. Well, I mean, when... Especially when you co- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:54 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 16:55 You know, he's a little thick around the middle. He's... (laughs) His, his best days of flipping around through the air are over.

Joe Rogan 17:01 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 17:01 He's got the, yeah, the big gut and the long arms.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 17:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:05 Stretched out arms.

Yves Edwards 17:06 You know what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 17:07 Yeah, that's... I don't know. It's... Especially, um, when you compare, when you say second rate, especially when you compare it to, like, Blue Man Group or-

Joe Rogan 17:13 Right.

Yves Edwards 17:13 ... what's going on at, like, Mandalay or MGM or something.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 17:17 But I mean, A, it's... You're, you're still on the Strip, you're not on Fremont.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 17:22 Like, Fremont is like, Fremont is like, like second rate Vegas, right?

Joe Rogan 17:27 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 17:27 It's very different. I-

Joe Rogan 17:28 Very weird.

Yves Edwards 17:29 I, um, I remember in... Like, I know I'm gonna probably catch some flak for this, but I gotta tell you this story.

Joe Rogan 17:35 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 17:35 Like, I'm, I'm... I was there one time and I'm telling my friends about like, I'm like, "This is weird," 'cause like I've never really been to Fremont until this time in Vegas. And, um, I was like, "Man, why aren't we on the Strip? This is just so weird being out here." I was there for some fights and I was like, "Everything is just a little different." I mean, like, everything's really, like, everything's really different. I mean, look, like, even the women, like, look at that girl. She's like, she's so, like... Her bo... She has a ni- great body, right? She's like so fine. And then she turned around and she's like, her face is just, like, ruined, you know? Like, it's not my fault. I mean, she wasn't attractive to me. I'm sure she's attractive to somebody but-

Joe Rogan 18:07 Isn't it funny that you have... It's hard to say that these days. You used to be able to say, "Someone's ugly."

Yves Edwards 18:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:11 You can still say a dude's ugly. Nobody gives you a hard time. You can still... You can say a dude's fat or a dude's ugly, everybody's like, "Fine, no problem."

Yves Edwards 18:18 People call me fat all the time, man.

Joe Rogan 18:19 No, no one has a problem with that.

Yves Edwards 18:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Fat and ugly for a guy is fine.... but if you say a girl's fat, you're body shaming? If you- you say e- she's ugly, you're a fucking sexist piece of shit and you're objectifying her?

Yves Edwards 18:32 Yeah. I- I- it's- it's really hard. I mean, like, there was this- there was this lady who's a- who's a singer. Um, her name is Lizzo, right? Um, big lady. Uh, well, bigger lady. Um, plus-sized woman, right?

Joe Rogan 18:43 Right.

Yves Edwards 18:44 And, um-

Joe Rogan 18:44 She that woman that was on the BET Awards that was-

Yves Edwards 18:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:47 (singing) She's fucking talented.

Yves Edwards 18:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:50 Whoo!

Yves Edwards 18:50 Right? And, like, see, here's the thing, like, yeah, she's- she's a plus-sized woman. Um, some people think sh- that's overweight, but I'm like, she's not obese. So it's like- I mean, she's- she's, like, gross- grotesquely obese. I guess that's wh- how you say it.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Right.

Yves Edwards 19:04 Not grossly obese.

Joe Rogan 19:05 She could lose a few pounds.

Yves Edwards 19:06 She could if she wanted to.

Joe Rogan 19:07 If she wanted to.

Yves Edwards 19:07 But, like, there's- there are- there are, like- there's- there's definitely some- there is definitely plenty of guys in the world who-

Joe Rogan 19:12 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 19:12 ... who that suits, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 19:14 Um, there are some guys my size who that suits. There are some guys who are, like, linebacker or lineman-sized who that suits, but, like-

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 19:20 ... then there are- there are- like, nobody- nobody complains about the petite woman, but, like, what a- what about, like, the big linebacker guy who's into petite women? Like- like-

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah. Well, you know that dude, The Mountain, from Game of Thrones?

Yves Edwards 19:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:31 His girlfriend or his wife or whatever she is, she's like three feet tall. (laughs) It's- it's hilarious and he's a fucking giant.

Yves Edwards 19:38 Yeah. Yeah, like, you see that sometimes. I think the guy that played Chewbacca-

Joe Rogan 19:43 Oh, yeah?

Yves Edwards 19:43 ... like, the original Chewbacca, I think his wife was- was a tiny woman.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Hm.

Yves Edwards 19:46 Like, not like a midget or anything, but like-

Joe Rogan 19:49 I'm in trouble now. (laughs) Yeah, there's, uh- that's The Mountain.

Yves Edwards 19:54 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 19:54 (laughs) That guy- actually, you know what? She might be normal size.

Yves Edwards 19:58 (laughs) Yeah, he's a big guy.

Joe Rogan 19:59 'Cause he's so fucking big. When she's got-

Yves Edwards 20:01 He is a big guy.

Joe Rogan 20:01 ... heels on there at a- at a gala, but, uh, he's so fucking big. Like that right there, that looks like me with my nine-year-old.

Yves Edwards 20:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:10 It does. It does. That's- height-wise, that guy is so goddamn big, it's ridiculous.

Yves Edwards 20:14 Like, if you cut off his body where her head is, he would still probably be twice her size, twice her weight.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. A big fella. (laughs) Yeah, he's always entering the- those strongman competitions are the- the most ridiculous thing to watch. You know, whenever I'm, like, bored flipping through the channels and I catch some dude throwing a- a beer barrel over a-

Yves Edwards 20:38 Over his head?

Joe Rogan 20:38 ... fucking pole, you know? It's like- there's always a- a suspended pole-

Yves Edwards 20:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 ... and they're throwing it over the top of- like a- like a high jump pole. It's so ridiculous.

Yves Edwards 20:46 Yeah. I mean, but those- those type o- type of competitions you talk about, like- like, that- there's that, and then you have that for the athletic or dynamic-

Joe Rogan 20:54 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 20:54 ... people, like American Ninja Warrior.

Joe Rogan 20:55 Yeah. Oh, well, that's inter-

Yves Edwards 20:56 Or Ninja Warrior.

Joe Rogan 20:57 That's fucking interesting, man.

Yves Edwards 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Those Ninja War- Warrior shows are crazy. You- you watch those guys and you go, "That is some serious fucking athleticism to be able to do that."

Yves Edwards 21:05 Yeah. That'll- that- that- that's a whole new sport now.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 21:08 Like, they create gyms based around that-

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 21:10 ... and people are, like- like, training for it. Like, people are training for the trials.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Yeah. No, I c- I imagine. There's probably- you p- I- I wonder- I'd like to know, like, who's the best at that weight class-wise? I bet it's guys that are, like, 160 pounds and under.

Yves Edwards 21:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 'Cause you-

Yves Edwards 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 ... you could carry yourself easier. Because we- we did a stunt on Fear Factor once where you had to, uh- they were suspen- they were off a bridge and they, um, had to hold- just hold themselves, like, on a chin-up bar over a bridge. And the girls all beat the guys.

Yves Edwards 21:40 Wait. They were- they were-

Joe Rogan 21:41 They were just hanging.

Yves Edwards 21:42 Just hanging?

Joe Rogan 21:43 Just hanging.

Yves Edwards 21:43 Not pulling themselves-

Joe Rogan 21:44 Just hanging. Nope.

Yves Edwards 21:44 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Just hanging.

Yves Edwards 21:45 Huh.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Just holding on. The girls all beat the guys. The- all three guys fell. Now, I was like- part of me was like, "Maybe these guys are just bitches." But part of me was like, well, the thing is, like, the guys, they're pretty big dudes. They're all around 200-plus pounds and, uh, you know, that's a lot of weight in your hands. And the girls are like 120, 110, 105, and it's not as much weight.

Yves Edwards 22:11 There's- there's, uh, a genetic thing between men and women where there are some things that, like, we all- we- we see these in sports and whatnot. There are some sports that are just much more fun to watch when men are playing, there are some sports that are-

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 22:23 ... much more fun when women play, and there are some sports that are both, right?

Joe Rogan 22:25 Right.

Yves Edwards 22:25 But, um, there is something- I forget the test exactly- but it's something about leaning over and picking up a chair. There's a certain posture that you're in and men can't do it, but women can.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Huh.

Yves Edwards 22:36 Like, you can't- and- but it's like a- a- a folding chair, like very, very light chair. Um, I don't know- I don't remember if it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:42 You're leaning over and picking up a chair?

Yves Edwards 22:43 Yeah. So, like, you're leaning- I think you press your head onto the wall, but arch your back in a certain way and you- you just have to use, like, your lats basically, to pick up the chair and you c- and men can't do it.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Really?

Yves Edwards 22:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:55 How weird.

Narrator 22:56 Yeah, it's ca- it's like a center of gravity test. I remember doing that when I was younger.

Yves Edwards 22:59 Oh, so you lean your butt ... Oh.

Narrator 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 You know, my daughter tried to show me this the other day. T- trying to get me to touch my toes with- keep my back flat against the wall with the back of my legs against the wall and go down and touch your toes. You just fall forward.

Narrator 23:10 Yeah. It's tough.

Yves Edwards 23:11 See, that's- that's- see, I had it all backwards. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 23:14 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 23:14 ... "Hey, you put your butt against the wall, not your head." I- I'm just not used to sticking my butt up against stuff. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:19 (laughs)

Narrator 23:21 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 23:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:21 Let me see that. Let me see. Tricks guys can't do. Stand three feet away from a wall, bend over, put your head against the wall. Now try to stand up while lifting a chair. Oh, no, you had it.

Yves Edwards 23:30 Okay. I was-

Narrator 23:31 There's a couple different things. So yeah, it's all-

Joe Rogan 23:32 There's a few- couple of them.

Narrator 23:32 ... based around the center of gravity though.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Oh.

Yves Edwards 23:35 Yeah, that's the one I'm gonna try.

Joe Rogan 23:36 I feel like I could do that.

Yves Edwards 23:38 That's- that's- that's what I said.

Joe Rogan 23:40 Yeah.

Narrator 23:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:41 I mean, I don't- I don't think I'm being cocky in saying I could do that, but what if a guy's got, like, really good core strength?

Yves Edwards 23:46 I don't think it has to do with your core.

Joe Rogan 23:47 Just- nothing to do with that?

Yves Edwards 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Just all about center of gravity?

Yves Edwards 23:50 Yeah, 'cause I thi- I think, not in most guys, but, like, you take a bunch of fit guys, they have a good strong core.

Joe Rogan 23:57 They can't do it.

Yves Edwards 23:58 And they can't do it.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Hm. Like, you take some average woman-

Yves Edwards 24:01 Uh, girls-

Joe Rogan 24:01 ... who does-

Yves Edwards 24:01 Congratulations on your victory, ladies. You got us on one. (laughs)

Narrator 24:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:06 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 24:06 Yeah. I- I- I don't- I don't- I don't wanna s- like, that's one- one of those sensitive subjects where I'm like, I don't wanna say anything smart-assed or anything any kind of way 'cause I get myself in trouble.

Joe Rogan 24:16 So much trouble to get into today. So many different things people get mad and- and upset about. (laughs)

Narrator 24:22 They did a test with, uh, the way that men and women do a one-legged squat and I guess the way that each of us would go down is completely different when you- when you break it all the way down to that move.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Oh, so, like, the mechanics?

Narrator 24:34 Yeah, like the gaze-

Joe Rogan 24:34 Is that because of the hips?

Narrator 24:35 ... muscle structure, everything. Yeah, it- it probably is that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:39 But with women, the- the hi- it's so different, the way- the shape of their hips, the, like- the mechanic- like, women kicking-... that, that's one. Like, for every Valentina Shevchenko that can knock someone out with one kick-

Yves Edwards 24:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... you would think that a woman, right? Take a 140-pound woman who is carrying 140 pounds with her legs all the time, going up flights of stairs, running, doing all these different plyometrics and shit, you would think that bitch could be able to kick a fucking hole through you.

Yves Edwards 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:05 See, there's another w- use of the word bitch.

Yves Edwards 25:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:06 That's okay. That, it's out of respect.

Yves Edwards 25:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:10 That's not a, that's not derogatory. But, d- no. Like, if you see a girl kick a bag, like, there's a giant difference between a 140-pound girl kicking a bag-

Yves Edwards 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:19 ... and a 140-pound guy. Big difference.

Yves Edwards 25:22 And now, now is it mostly technique or is it-

Joe Rogan 25:25 (smacks lips)

Yves Edwards 25:25 ... you know, bio-

Joe Rogan 25:26 I think it's biomechanics.

Yves Edwards 25:27 ... bioelectric?

Joe Rogan 25:27 I think it's technique. I think it's just muscle. There's, they're just built different. There's just different muscles. (smacks lips) Like, the hips are like this, right?

Yves Edwards 25:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Woman's hips, especially if a woman has wide hips, right? Her, their hips go out wide and their legs kind of go in a little bit. Whereas a guy... I wonder if that's responsible for the, what do they call that? The male spread? When dudes sit on a, sit on a, a subway?

Narrator 25:50 Man spread.

Yves Edwards 25:51 They spread the legs.

Joe Rogan 25:51 The man spread?

Narrator 25:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah, they man spread and-

Yves Edwards 25:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:54 ... people get real mad 'cause they want to sit next to you-

Yves Edwards 25:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:56 ... and your legs are all splayed out, you're being rude.

Yves Edwards 26:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:00 But if a dude has no one next to him, that's how they sit.

Yves Edwards 26:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Like, with their legs spread. I don't think women sit like that. I don't think-

Yves Edwards 26:07 I-

Joe Rogan 26:07 I don't think it goes that way.

Yves Edwards 26:09 No. I don't like sitting like that. That's like, that's like sitting in, like, I've sat and coached m- most of my life, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:16 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 26:16 And like, that's, that's, it's uncomfortable. Like, when you have to sit like that for an extended amount of time-

Joe Rogan 26:21 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 26:21 ... it gets really uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 26:23 With your legs pinned together?

Yves Edwards 26:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Yeah, it's weird.

Yves Edwards 26:25 Yeah, and then there are some times wh- after a while, you just, you, you just feel uncomfortable inside your pants and you gotta, you gotta move stuff around.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 26:32 And you can't even open your legs to do that.

Joe Rogan 26:34 But with women, I think that's a normal way to sit. I think their body naturally, with their hips b- in the shape that they are, their legs kind of go towards each other.

Yves Edwards 26:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:44 They kind of point towards the knees. It's more normal for them to sit with their legs together, I think.

Yves Edwards 26:49 Hm.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Does that make sense?

Yves Edwards 26:50 It makes sense. I just, I wonder i- if it has to do with anything, the, the equipment down there also.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Yeah, probably has to do with not wanting to be a ho, right?

Yves Edwards 26:59 (laughs)

Narrator 26:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:59 I don't want to sit (laughs) sit like this with your legs spread. If a dude sits like that, that's a confident man. But if a girl's sitting there with her legs spread, you're like, "Look at this bitch."

Yves Edwards 27:07 Man.

Joe Rogan 27:07 There's another use of the word bitch.

Narrator 27:09 This isn't a scientific article of, explaining man spreading.

Joe Rogan 27:12 Mm.

Narrator 27:13 This is a spinal neurosurgeon's explanation of it.

Joe Rogan 27:15 Thank you, spinal neurosurgeon.

Yves Edwards 27:17 (laughs) John Suck-

Joe Rogan 27:17 "The overall width of the pelvis is relatively greater in females and the angle of the femoral neck is more acute. These factors could play a role in making a position of sitting with the knees close together less comfortable for men." Exactly. So, all you man spreading people that are shaming men for sitting in a natural way, how dare you? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yves Edwards 27:40 Yeah. I'm, I'm offended.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Yeah. I can't wait until women have all the power so we can just start shitting on them.

Yves Edwards 27:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:47 Openly.

Yves Edwards 27:47 See, here's the subtle, here's the subtlety, subtle thing about that. They, they kind of do, right?

Joe Rogan 27:51 They have some.

Narrator 27:52 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 27:52 You know? It's like, who's the world champion of your house?

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah, but that's just happy wife, happy life.

Yves Edwards 27:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:58 That's how you have to run that shit.

Yves Edwards 27:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Any time you, i- i- otherwise, it just, I've never seen another situation where it works. Y- or you have, like, some, some woman who's just afraid, she can't talk and, you know. You don't want that either.

Yves Edwards 28:11 No. That's-

Joe Rogan 28:12 That shit's not healthy.

Yves Edwards 28:13 That's not healthy. It's not... Like, how do you enjoy that? What I mean-

Joe Rogan 28:15 I don't know. You have to be a sick fuck.

Yves Edwards 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Yeah. I don't ha- my, my house is zero designed by me. There's no decorations of mine. Just, I have one mounted elk head. That's it. The first elk I ever shot with a bow and arrow, I have mounted. That's it. Everything else, fucking, I don't care. It looks good.

Yves Edwards 28:34 The first time I came through here, you gave me some elk meat. I made spaghetti out of it. It was some of the best spaghetti I ever made, ever.

Joe Rogan 28:41 It's super good for your body, man.

Yves Edwards 28:42 It's really good.

Joe Rogan 28:43 If you could eat that shit all the time.

Yves Edwards 28:44 I would.

Joe Rogan 28:44 If you lived around here, I'd hook you up all the time.

Yves Edwards 28:46 Yeah, I used to. When I get back, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start, I'm just gonna start hitting you up, asking you for elk meat.

Joe Rogan 28:50 How long you in town for?

Yves Edwards 28:52 I leave in the morning.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Do you have a place to cook tonight?

Yves Edwards 28:56 (kissing noise) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 I got some food for you.

Yves Edwards 28:58 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:58 Okay? I got some elk sausage that's out of this fucking world.

Yves Edwards 29:01 All right.

Joe Rogan 29:02 Oh, it's good.

Yves Edwards 29:03 Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm completely down, man. The first time, I was, I was a little hesitant.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 29:07 'Cause I was like, "Well, this didn't come from the store, so I'm not-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:10 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 29:11 You know what I mean? But then, I took it home. I, I, I made it up and I was just like, "Oh, man." The, it, the flavor is so different.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 29:17 Like, the flavor is different. The texture's different. Um, I don't know. I really, I wanted more.

Joe Rogan 29:22 It's alive. I mean, in, in terms of, like, when you're eating it, it just feels like it's got energy. It's got power.

Yves Edwards 29:28 Yeah. Like, it, like, it tastes like it had a good life.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Yeah, man. Like, to the, if you're eating some (clears throat) some, like, a pig that lives in a pen, like, ugh, sad. It's just sadness.

Yves Edwards 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 But if you're eating an elk, especially if it didn't know you were there, like, that elk had no idea you were there until that arrow hit its ribcage and then it's dead in seconds. That, that thing lived a noble life.

Yves Edwards 29:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:50 You know? And that's the best way-

Yves Edwards 29:51 It's free.

Joe Rogan 29:52 ... it's ever gonna die. You don't want, I mean, if you're an elk, you don't wanna get caught in a valley with some wolves. That, that shit's rough.

Yves Edwards 29:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:58 That's a rough way to go.

Yves Edwards 29:59 I was talking to your buddy Jeff earlier about that, um, like, you got a choice, right? You get, you're gonna... Of course, hypothetically. You got a choice. You're gonna, you're gonna get mauled by a bear, a gorilla, um, or die by a wolf or a tiger. What do you choose?

Joe Rogan 30:16 I take the gorilla all day 'cause I think-

Yves Edwards 30:18 What?

Joe Rogan 30:18 ... he's just gonna beat your ass. I don't think he's gonna kill you because I don't think, I don't think he wants to eat you.

Yves Edwards 30:23 But, like, the premise of the question is you're gonna die.

Joe Rogan 30:25 Hm. Yeah, then the tiger 'cause the tiger's gonna get your neck and kill you quick.

Yves Edwards 30:30 That's, that's my choice also.

Joe Rogan 30:32 Yeah, I think so. Did you see-

Yves Edwards 30:32 I mean-

Joe Rogan 30:32 ... the video of the tiger chasing the dudes on the motorbike?

Yves Edwards 30:36 No.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Oh. In India? It's horrific. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 30:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 These fucking dudes are driving on this road-

Yves Edwards 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 ... in this, uh, wildlife preserve and this tiger comes full clip, chasing them out of the jungle and just bails off at the last second.

Yves Edwards 30:49 That scares-

Joe Rogan 30:49 Just can't catch him.

Yves Edwards 30:50 ... the shit out of me.

Joe Rogan 30:51 It should.

Narrator 30:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:52 It's fucking horrific.They're so fast.

Yves Edwards 30:55 Like, what do you do? Right?

Joe Rogan 30:57 What can you do?

Yves Edwards 30:58 Like, there's nothing-

Joe Rogan 30:59 So weak.

Yves Edwards 30:59 ... you can do.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Unless you have a gun. You're so weak. There's not much you can do.

Yves Edwards 31:02 But then, when you think about that, there h- like, you think about Africa, you think about India, you think about these places where lions and tigers exist, and people have existed since the beginning of time.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 31:13 At some point, someone had to win that. Right?

Joe Rogan 31:16 Just, oh, just numbers-

Yves Edwards 31:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:17 ... just population numbers. Here's the video. Check this shit out. You're gonna freak out. (coughs) I don't need to see hurt, Jamie. Here it is. So, these guys are on this bike.

Yves Edwards 31:25 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:25 Look at this thing. Look at this thing just-

Yves Edwards 31:27 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:27 ... says, "Fuck it." He just tried. He tried. Now, the reason why this is significant is because in India, tigers eat people all the fucking time. They eat them all the time. Like, there's tigers that target human beings. There's a place i- in India called the Sunderbans. And the Sunderbans is, um, it's near this river that they, they think that one of the reasons why the tigers are so irritable is that they're drinking this river water, and the river water has a high degree of salt in it, high level of salt. And so, they're irritated all the time.

Yves Edwards 31:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:59 They're just in agony. And they're particularly vicious. And over the last 200 years, tigers have killed more than 300,000 human beings in this one part of India.

Yves Edwards 32:10 Like, why do you still live there?

Joe Rogan 32:12 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 32:12 Like, I'm- I'm- I'm giving them-

Joe Rogan 32:13 It's war.

Yves Edwards 32:13 You know? I'm giving them, I'm giving that place to the tigers.

Joe Rogan 32:16 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 32:16 'Cause I- I- s- I see that, I see that video and I imagine being that guy on that bike.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Mm.

Yves Edwards 32:21 And like, I ... You know what a bike seat is like, right?

Joe Rogan 32:25 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 32:25 You ... Could you imagine being on a bike seat with like... What ha- Like, I'm- I'm shitting myself.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 32:30 You know?

Joe Rogan 32:30 For sure. If you have any shit in your body, it's gonna come out.

Yves Edwards 32:32 Like, that's a ... There's no way you win that.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Nope.

Yves Edwards 32:36 There's no way you win that.

Joe Rogan 32:37 No.

Yves Edwards 32:37 Not today.

Joe Rogan 32:38 No. You don't win. You only win by being on a motorcycle and getting away.

Yves Edwards 32:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:42 The fact they got a video of it, though. (sighs)

Yves Edwards 32:44 Yeah. How do you ... I hope he had a GoPro on. He's on-

Joe Rogan 32:47 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 32:47 ... He's on- he's like, just like riding. "Hey."

Joe Rogan 32:49 They ... Listen, they get ca- they get got all the time.

Yves Edwards 32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:52 All the time.

Yves Edwards 32:53 I can't imagine.

Joe Rogan 32:54 Especially in India. India, I think, is the worst place in the world for tiger and human, uh, interactions.

Yves Edwards 33:00 I, I don't get that. Like, are the tigers in India bigger or smaller?

Joe Rogan 33:05 They're just tigers. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 33:07 (laughs) Yeah, it does- ... I know it doesn't matter, the size. Like-

Joe Rogan 33:09 I don't-

Yves Edwards 33:09 ... they're either like 300 or 500 pounds or something like that.

Joe Rogan 33:12 I think the biggest tigers are in Siberia.

Yves Edwards 33:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 33:16 I think that's the case. Usually with mammals, what happens is, the m- like, the same species, when they're in a hotter climate, tend to be smaller, depends on the animal obviously, than they are in the w- the colder climates. It's something- it has something to do with preserving body temperature. Like deer, for instance. Like, if you get a white-tailed deer from Texas, it's much smaller than a white-tailed deer from Saskatchewan.

Yves Edwards 33:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It's the same species-

Yves Edwards 33:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... but way up north, it takes us- it's just colder and they grow- gro- they'll grow like 300 pounds up there. Whereas like a big white-tail in Texas, like half that size.

Yves Edwards 33:53 Yeah. Yeah, the, the ... That's people too, right?

Joe Rogan 33:57 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 33:57 There are certain places where people are just larger.

Joe Rogan 33:59 Sure, Iceland.

Yves Edwards 33:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:00 The mountain guy from Game of Thrones.

Yves Edwards 34:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:01 That motherfucker.

Yves Edwards 34:03 Yeah.

Narrator 34:03 I guess they had a controversial moment. Uh, the end of last year, end of this year, they had a tiger that was known for killing 13 people or more, and so they had a shoot-to-kill, uh, target on it.

Joe Rogan 34:15 Yeah.

Narrator 34:15 And I guess they- someone got it.

Joe Rogan 34:17 And people were mad?

Narrator 34:18 People were mad.

Joe Rogan 34:19 (sighs) It killed 13 people and people are mad that someone killed it? People are just fucking weak. They're just so soft.

Yves Edwards 34:26 What if he got the wrong tiger?

Joe Rogan 34:28 Fuck him. Fuck 'em all.

Yves Edwards 34:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:29 Kill ... When ev- anyone that you get a chance to kill that's close enough to kill you, kill 'em.

Yves Edwards 34:35 Man, I think I- I ... I ke- ... I can't get that, that video of that tiger chasing that- that bike outta my head.

Joe Rogan 34:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Yves Edwards 34:40 'Cause like, like, w- ... That's another thing. Those things, they're so coordinated-

Joe Rogan 34:45 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 34:45 ... that thing at full speed can take a swipe at that-

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 34:48 ... back tire.

Joe Rogan 34:48 And just (stammering) .

Yves Edwards 34:50 And then you're screwed.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Yeah. And then you're fucked.

Yves Edwards 34:51 Like, what do you do? 'Cause you- like, what's your first reaction gonna be? Like, get up and try and get back on the bike?

Joe Rogan 34:56 There's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do. There's no way you can get the bike going in time. The tiger would be on you so fast. I mean, they can run. They could probably run 40 miles an hour, those fucking things.

Yves Edwards 35:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 And it's probably 400 pounds, 500 pounds.

Yves Edwards 35:11 400 Pounds of something, an animal that's 400 and something pounds, and runs at twice the speed of Usain Bolt.

Joe Rogan 35:18 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 35:21 How is that-

Joe Rogan 35:22 Uh-

Yves Edwards 35:22 ... fair?

Joe Rogan 35:22 I mean, that's why there's not a million deer. You know? The reason why there- they're not a million deer in that same spot-

Yves Edwards 35:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:29 ... is because of those tigers. They, they need 'em. You know, I was, um, in Lanai, (clears throat) which is, um, one of the smaller islands in Hawaii, hunting, uh, axis deer. And the axis deer were given to King Kamehameha of Hawaii, like in the 1800s. And when we were over there, you know, you- you bow hunt these things. And I'm telling you, you've never seen a deer move this fast.

Yves Edwards 35:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:54 The reason why they're so fast is they evolved to get away from tigers. So, when they see you, they're like, "Bip!" And they make this noise like, "Bip!" And then they fucking scatter, pyun! And they're so fast. You're like ... It's hilarious to watch. Like, wow! They're so fast.

Yves Edwards 36:09 When you say that, like, my brain just starts doing the math and I'm like, like, of course the ones that got ca- caught by the tigers were the slower ones.

Joe Rogan 36:17 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 36:17 So, like, the fastest ones are mating.

Joe Rogan 36:19 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 36:19 And like, yeah. I can only imagine. It's- it's kinda like, um, a Olympic sprinter-

Joe Rogan 36:27 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 36:27 ... female Olympic sprinter marries a, a NFL-

Joe Rogan 36:31 A running back.

Yves Edwards 36:32 ... a running back.

Joe Rogan 36:32 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 36:32 And they have a kid.

Joe Rogan 36:32 Woo. Yeah. Look-

Yves Edwards 36:34 Nice.

Joe Rogan 36:34 ... genetics are real.

Yves Edwards 36:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:35 I mean, that's one of the reasons why America's becoming softer and softer, is 'cause what are you getting? You're getting people that sit at a desk all day with fucking herniated disks and a fat belly, drinking coffee and eating donuts, and they marry someone who's just like them, and they barely get their shit together. And they have a kid who watches video games all day and eats cookies and, and he's gross. And then he marries another girl who's like that. And next thing-

Yves Edwards 36:58 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 36:59 ... you know, you go through this four, five, six generations, you get t- you got piss-poor genes.

Yves Edwards 37:04 Yeah. I, um ...I, I just recently went home to the Bahamas and I w- I, I'm starting to miss it more and more and more because as I get older, I rem- I, I, I long for the things that I did as a little kid. I long...

Joe Rogan 37:18 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 37:18 ... for the places as I w- that I was at as a little kid. And so my family's from this little place called Farmer's Cay, Exuma. That's three-quarters of a mile by seven-eighths. I think I've told you that before and it's tiny. And I was there this time and just seeing, just, just waking up every morning and, uh, just looking out the window and just blue ocean all day.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Mm.

Yves Edwards 37:36 Um, I just, I wanna go back there. The people that, peop- the people that live there, like you get a boat at like 14, 15 years old 'cause you, there's just really nothing that you can do on the island other than interact with your family and fish, right? Everything, everything for- everything that you need staple-wise, you have to go somewhere else to get it or it has to be brought in. So like, I have a cousin who, um, is like, he's older than me, he's like my grandmother's generation but he's my cousin, um, he's like four years older than me, but like this guy, he free dives and he will go down and he will hang out on the water for like two or three minutes...

Joe Rogan 38:08 (exhales loudly)

Yves Edwards 38:09 ... like with his, with a spear. He doesn't, he doesn't like to scuba, he doesn't like to take, um, take a tank with him. One time we're, we're, we're fishing out the back of the boat, he's out the front and he's like, he... And then on top of that he's in, he's in the water and he re- he comes out of the water and he reaches up and he says, "Hey Julian, bring the boat over here. It's a shark." So (laughs) like there's noth- like it, it, but it... And then he goes back down, you know what I mean? There's a shark in the water near him, probably a reef shark, and, um, he's got his spear and he's just like, "Just get closer," but I'm still fishing. Like that's, that's the life.

Joe Rogan 38:40 So he just wants to be able to get out if shit goes sideways?

Yves Edwards 38:42 Yeah. I ge- I'm assuming.

Joe Rogan 38:44 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 38:44 But I'm like...

Joe Rogan 38:44 He's not scared. Would you think that it would be safer to be in the water or on top of the water if there was a shark? Like if you had goggles, you could see the motherfucker, wouldn't you wanna be in the water?

Yves Edwards 38:55 Do you mean...

Joe Rogan 38:55 Rather than on top and not knowing where he's coming from?

Yves Edwards 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 I would think so.

Yves Edwards 39:00 I would think so but then you, like not only is it 360, but it's like universal, the view is universal, right?

Joe Rogan 39:05 Right.

Yves Edwards 39:05 But if you're on top of the water and you can see at least as like you got your back to the wall.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 39:11 He can't come from the top.

Joe Rogan 39:12 That's true.

Yves Edwards 39:13 So.

Joe Rogan 39:13 That's true. But if you're tr-

Yves Edwards 39:14 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:15 I don't know.

Yves Edwards 39:15 But I'm, at, at the same time you're in the water with an animal who's, who, that's his natural habitat.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 39:20 Like you can't, you can't even turn around nearly as fast as he can. He can sp- probably swim around you and come up from the back before you could even turn around.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah, probably.

Yves Edwards 39:28 So...

Joe Rogan 39:28 Yeah, they, they swim pretty fucking fast.

Yves Edwards 39:31 Yeah. They're like ninjas in the water.

Joe Rogan 39:34 (laughs) They just clean- the cleanup crew, just like that tiger.

Yves Edwards 39:37 I, um... So my girlfriend and I were there and I was, um (smacks lips) feeding the turtles, right? So I try to grab a turtle and literally the turtle is this big, it's no bigger than this and I'm about to pick it up, I'm trying to pick it up...

Joe Rogan 39:49 This being like, uh, explain to people who didn't-

Yves Edwards 39:51 Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, um, probably like...

Joe Rogan 39:54 A trash can lid?

Yves Edwards 39:54 ... 16 inches, yeah, a trash can lid, no bigger than a trash can lid. And, um, I am trying to pick it up and this, before I can get it out of the water, those just those big finned arms that they have, he just, he pulls me down into the water. Like this, this little thing, he probably weighs 40, 50 pounds, right? And is just so powerful in the water, like if I were to hang onto that turtle, I would be moving faster than I would move with fins on.

Joe Rogan 40:19 Whoa. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 40:21 Like how is possible? And I'm, I'm...

Joe Rogan 40:23 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 40:23 Like I don't wanna talk about my weight but I'm a lot bigger than that f-

Joe Rogan 40:26 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 40:26 ... than that turtle.

Joe Rogan 40:27 (laughs) You, you getting sensitive?

Yves Edwards 40:28 (laughs) I, I, I am, I'm not at fight weight anymore.

Joe Rogan 40:31 You're eating well.

Yves Edwards 40:32 I'm...

Joe Rogan 40:33 You look good, man. Don't worry about it. Do you think you're gonna move to the Bahamas? Do you think you'd live there someday?

Yves Edwards 40:38 Um, I, like ultimately I definitely wanna live back there in my...

Joe Rogan 40:41 Yeah?

Yves Edwards 40:41 ... in my lifetime, you know? I, um, I mean, I, if... I wanna, I wanna die there.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Whoa.

Yves Edwards 40:47 You know what I mean? I don't necessarily wanna die anytime soon- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 Right.

Yves Edwards 40:51 ... but...

Joe Rogan 40:51 But when you do, you wanna live-

Yves Edwards 40:53 When...

Joe Rogan 40:53 ... the end of your life there.

Yves Edwards 40:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:54 The relaxed life.

Yves Edwards 40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:55 Island life. Hey man, I get it. Every time I go to Hawaii I star- I s- my brain starts spinning, I'm like, "Can I live here? Why don't I just move here?" Like I don't, I don't need much, you know?

Yves Edwards 41:08 You, you, hey did you watch the Steve Jobs movie?

Joe Rogan 41:11 No.

Yves Edwards 41:12 I haven't either but just recently it was on television and the f- the opening scene was some guy in like, I don't know, his 70s or 60s talking about computers. When computers were huge, when computers were like those big things-

Joe Rogan 41:23 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 41:23 ... that take up an entire room. Um, he's like, "Yeah, one day like you can be anywhere in the world and you can work. You can be on a remote island and you can be doing your work and you will get emails." He was talking about emails like in the '60s, you know?

Joe Rogan 41:35 Oh.

Yves Edwards 41:35 He's talking about the internet in the '60s or something. It's on the beginning of the Jobs movie. And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Is that the one with Ashton Kutcher?

Yves Edwards 41:42 No. (laughs)

Narrator 41:44 I was gonna ask which one. There's another one, the Fass- Michael Fassbender too that came out.

Yves Edwards 41:47 I think it's the Fassbender. I don't know what Michael Fassbender looks like.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Well I know that name, but who's-

Yves Edwards 41:51 Me too.

Joe Rogan 41:51 ... Michael Fassbender?

Narrator 41:52 He's, uh...

Joe Rogan 41:54 What was he in?

Narrator 41:54 I bel- uh, I wanna say, I think he's like Loki in the Avengers. I think that's him.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Oh. Oh, that makes sense.

Narrator 41:59 Unless I'm just making somebody up.

Yves Edwards 42:00 Yeah. Yeah, I think-

Joe Rogan 42:00 That makes sense.

Yves Edwards 42:02 I think that's him. But yeah, that, that movie, um, they were talking about that then and I'm like, you know... And then 2001 was when, um, Jobs came out with the... Yeah, that's him.

Narrator 42:13 That's the one.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Oh, no, no, no. Is, is he Loki from the-

Narrator 42:15 No, sorry, he's someone but I, I, I just made somebody up but...

Joe Rogan 42:18 He's from Prometheus.

Narrator 42:19 Okay, there you go, there you go.

Joe Rogan 42:19 He's the robot in the Prometheus and Alien series.

Narrator 42:22 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 He's the, uh... Yeah, that guy's excellent.

Yves Edwards 42:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Oh, so he played Steve Jobs.

Narrator 42:27 He's in a bunch of stuff.

42:27 Yeah, he's good.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Was Steve Jobs an asshole in the Steve Jobs movie?

Yves Edwards 42:30 Yeah, I mean...

Narrator 42:31 That's a good movie.

Yves Edwards 42:31 I only saw like the first five minutes.

Narrator 42:33 Right.

Yves Edwards 42:33 I was like I wanna watch this but-

Narrator 42:34 Ash in the middle.

Yves Edwards 42:35 He does look, yeah, he is, in the movie. But the claim is that you have to be an asshole to be like a genius, right?

Joe Rogan 42:42 (farts) Damn, well, I don't know if I buy that.

Yves Edwards 42:44 I don't buy it either.

Joe Rogan 42:45 It just seems like a lot of people who get a lot of shit done eventually run into people that don't get shit done the way they want and so the only way they figure out how to get shit done with those people is to dominate them.

Yves Edwards 42:58 Yeah, push.

Joe Rogan 42:59 And to, to yell at them and to, you know... Like the Apple deal was that you had to work insane hours too.That's a weird thing, man. If you're gonna work for a company, you got a good job. I- is it a good job? What- what's so good about it, that you get money? Where's your life? You don't have a life.

Yves Edwards 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 You- you're working 17 hours a day? Oh, okay. That sucks. That's a shitty job. Even if you're making a lot of money, like, a guy who makes less money but it can take the weekend off and go fishing and hang out with his kids and chill, that's a better life.

Yves Edwards 43:29 Preach it, Joe. Preach it.

Joe Rogan 43:30 That's a better life.

Yves Edwards 43:31 I'm listening. Hallelujah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 That Bahamas life is the way to go.

Yves Edwards 43:34 I'm telling you, man.

Joe Rogan 43:34 You got me thinking.

Yves Edwards 43:35 (laughs) When I- when I- when I was at home, it was j- it was just nice, like ...

Joe Rogan 43:38 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 43:40 (smacks lips) A fighter's- a fighter's life is kinda like that.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Right.

Yves Edwards 43:42 I mean, not- not all the time and not every one, but you get to do what you love to do.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 43:48 And then you get to do what you wanna do.

Joe Rogan 43:50 If you can handle the highs and the lows ... With fighters, it's handling the highs with the ego and the lows with the emotions and the, just the letting everybody down and the depression.

Yves Edwards 44:00 That, both of those things, that- that's like, those are the extremes.

Joe Rogan 44:04 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 44:04 But that- that- the highs of- of winning big fights and- and hav- getting- being admired for-

Joe Rogan 44:09 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 44:09 ... something that real- truly becomes a part of you, just- just being yourself-

Joe Rogan 44:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 44:14 Like, um, that- that feels good, but you do put a lot of weight on yourself. And- and when you lose, like, I ain't gonna lie, man, um, there- there has been some things on the internet, like when I lost to Hominick, right? It was like, "Oh, he threw that fight," and y- and I was like, like, that- that breaks my heart. That hurts my heart.

Joe Rogan 44:33 When someone says you threw the fight?

Yves Edwards 44:34 Yeah. You know?

Joe Rogan 44:35 Yeah. Th- you g- just can't read that shit. But I know what you mean.

Yves Edwards 44:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:39 You can't read ... There's people that, they have crazy theories about nonsense. There's ... You know. That's crazy, th- the idea that you threw a fight or that y- you would get together with Hominick or make a- a bet against yourself or something stupid like that, so ...

Yves Edwards 44:52 Right. I- I- I just heard, I just heard, um, (smacks lips) at some point, like over the past year or so, I heard a- an argument that like, well, if a guy doesn't make weight and the other guy gets so much of his purse, like, and he's- he's going to get his win and show money, right? If he's guaranteed his win and show money anyway, then why wouldn't he just throw the fight and get a bonus percentage of the- the winner's win money? And it's like-

Joe Rogan 45:21 That's a moron.

Yves Edwards 45:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:23 (laughs) That's a moron. Well, not only that, that's-

Yves Edwards 45:25 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 45:26 That's not just a moron, it's someone who doesn't understand the psychology of a winner.

Yves Edwards 45:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:29 Like, the- the thing about a winner is the last thing a winner wants to do is lose on purpose.

Yves Edwards 45:35 Right?

Joe Rogan 45:35 If th- and when you have the opportunity ... The- the big thing is winning. You have the opportunity to win, it's right in front of you, and you only get a chance to do this three times a year, four times a year, five if you're Cowboy, right? Like ... Right?

Yves Edwards 45:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:49 Like how many times does he-

Yves Edwards 45:50 Cowboy's crazy.

Joe Rogan 45:51 He's crazy, but he fights like five times a year, right? If he could, he'd probably fight every week.

Yves Edwards 45:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:55 But the- the idea that you're gonna throw that? The- the- the best feeling that you could ever achieve? They're crazy. They just don't understand it. They ... But that's just the problem with the internet, is reading comments. It's just too many morons with ideas.

Yves Edwards 46:13 I used to love the underground, man.

Joe Rogan 46:15 It was great back in the day.

Yves Edwards 46:16 I was like, having my, like, I had the O ... What? I th- think I have double Os, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 46:22 Like, being-

Joe Rogan 46:22 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 46:23 ... being from back then, you know?

Joe Rogan 46:24 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 46:24 Um, or maybe even a 90, like, they, at some point they just gave you the number, they-

Joe Rogan 46:28 I was on in the 90s.

Yves Edwards 46:29 Same here.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 46:30 So like, I don't know if my thing says 99 or double O. I still sign in every once in a while.

Joe Rogan 46:35 Just to check in?

Yves Edwards 46:36 Just to check in. Uh-

Joe Rogan 46:37 So much toxic conversation.

Yves Edwards 46:40 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 46:40 But that's just the internet in general. There's still a lot of good d- discussions on the underground. Li- I think last time I was on was about a month ago, I went and checked, I was like, "Hmm." Like, there was some, especially there was some good jujitsu talk. There was, uh, some good technique talk about l- l- like leg locks and- and, you know, and whether or not there's gonna be, uh, a transition from leg locks because everybody's ... the leg lock game sort of overtook jujitsu, whether or not it was going to, uh, switch to choking or when the- someone's ... like, whether it's gonna, there's gonna be a new trend because leg lock defense is so good now. And I'm like, I appreciate that. I appreciate when people are like devoted practitioners and they're really discussing technique and disc- but when it's like, "This guy's a pussy and he fucking sucks," and, you know, "Ronda Rousey's a fucking bitch," and like, oh God.

Yves Edwards 47:27 That's all I ... Dude, there's so much of that on the internet, it's hard to-

Joe Rogan 47:30 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 47:30 ... um, to filter through that to find-

Joe Rogan 47:32 No.

Yves Edwards 47:32 ... some good conversation sometimes.

Joe Rogan 47:34 (smacks lips) Yeah, it's like, in your life, you would avoid people like that like the plague. Like if there was a guy in your life that wanted your phone number and all he does is complain about things and have stupid theories, you'd be like, "Get this guy the fuck away from me." Right?

Yves Edwards 47:47 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 But you can't avoid them online.

Yves Edwards 47:50 Yeah, no, online ... That's the thing, that a- n- that, you know, being anonymous on the internet, that's-

Joe Rogan 47:55 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 47:56 ... just, that's some power for some people, man.

Joe Rogan 47:58 Sure.

Yves Edwards 47:59 Man, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Well, it's also, you gotta realize that the people that are executing that power, the people that want and need that power, they're all either young or they're losers. Those are the two th- either young and they don't get it, you know, they're 14 and someone lets them online, they just wanna say mean shit 'cause it's fun. Like you got a, you got a rock, there's a window, eh.

Yves Edwards 48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 No one's looking, I'm gonna throw this rock.

Yves Edwards 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:18 That's what people do. It's normal. But I don't wanna hang out with young kids and I don't wanna hang out with losers.

Yves Edwards 48:24 But see, that's-

Joe Rogan 48:25 That's the problem.

Yves Edwards 48:26 ... I think there's something with that too that, um ... I mean, well, I mean, we know there's something with that where that being anonymous, you, that's a protection.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 48:33 But like you see sometimes that bleeds into their real life.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 48:37 I mean, I saw this- this video of this kid, he's like, he's just like making fun of this older man, he was just being rude to this woman and he's making fun of this older man. The man ... So the man starts making fun of him too. He's like, "Meh, meh, meh, meh, meh." And so the kid starts punching him in the arm. And the guy's like ... He just turns away and his- the kid's punch- swinging at him. And this is not like a little kid, he's- he's- he's a little kid, you shouldn't ... He's not a kid that you would smack because ... If he started talking smack to you, right?

Joe Rogan 49:02 Right.

Yves Edwards 49:02 You wouldn't fight him because of that, but then this kid starts punching him and he's like, he's like, he tells the kid to stop and the kid keeps going and he grabs him by the throat and he pushes him, right? And the kid falls down and he's like ... Then he starts crying and, "Oh, you assaulted me, nah, nah."

Joe Rogan 49:15 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 49:15 And it's like-

Joe Rogan 49:16 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 49:16 Like, what, what reality do you live in, man? Like, your parents have failed.

Joe Rogan 49:21 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 49:21 Like, I'm sorry. You know?

Joe Rogan 49:23 Life failed them.

Yves Edwards 49:24 D-

Joe Rogan 49:24 They live in a blurry reality.

Yves Edwards 49:26 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 49:26 It's too much online, not enough real world.

Yves Edwards 49:29 Yeah. Like, I-

Joe Rogan 49:31 Not enough getting your ass kicked too.

Yves Edwards 49:32 That's the thing. Fighting solves everything, man.

Joe Rogan 49:34 (laughs) It solves a lot of things. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 49:36 Everything. I hate those people that say, "Fight-" fighting, what is that gonna solve? Like everything, I'm telling you. Like, my thing is, like, if you start, if you s- ... I don't like going back and forth, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 49:45 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 49:45 Like, we're not gonna go back and forth. You say something disrespectful, I'm gonna say something disrespectful. I'm gonna up the ante and then if, if you wanna keep going, like, man, we can just stop talking right now and go.

Joe Rogan 49:55 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 49:56 You know? I know I'm an ... I'm, I'm an old man now-

Joe Rogan 49:59 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 49:59 ... but, like, I ... Like, that solves everything. Like, there's no reason to be talking.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Also, having a history of that in your life gives you a much better perspective of the consequences of talking shit. If you don't have any history, like, how many times have you seen guys talk shit and you know they can't fight, and you're like-

Yves Edwards 50:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:15 ... "This is crazy." This is like someone challenging someone to a race they've never driven a car. Like, they don't even know how to shift gears. They don't know a goddamn thing. What, you watch a Jackie Chan movie thinking to fuck somebody up? (laughs) It's like ... But there's a lot of people that are doing that.

Yves Edwards 50:30 There's so many people that believe that, like ... And then just guys who watch fights.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 50:35 Like, they, they believe that they could beat ... They, they, there are legit people that believe-

Joe Rogan 50:38 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 50:39 ... they could beat people that are inside the Octagon or inside-

Joe Rogan 50:42 Sure.

Yves Edwards 50:42 ... a professional cage, inside the PFL or, or-

Joe Rogan 50:44 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:44 ... Rizin or somewhere.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:45 And they're just like, "I could beat that guy."

Joe Rogan 50:48 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:48 No, you can't.

Joe Rogan 50:48 They really believe that.

Yves Edwards 50:49 No, you can't.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Just by beating them-

Yves Edwards 50:50 I could beat Paulie Malignaggi. Did you see what ... No, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah. No, he'll fuck you up. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 50:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:56 That was a sad fight, man.

Yves Edwards 50:58 I-

Joe Rogan 50:58 I watched, I watched it again.

Yves Edwards 50:59 I didn't watch. I didn't ... I, I don't know. I can't, I can't bring myself to watch the bare knuckle boxing.

Joe Rogan 51:04 I'll tell you what, man. It changed my opinion. I was thinking for a long time that MMA done correctly, you'd have bare knuckles, because I was like, "Why you got bare shins and bare knees and bare elbows, but you have your knuckles padded up? That doesn't make any sense." But now I see all the cuts, like Chris-

Yves Edwards 51:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:18 ... Leben, his face was just opened up, man. I was like, "That is just ..." I don't wanna see people take unnecessarily cuts that way, because then that scar tissue opens up-

Yves Edwards 51:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:29 ... and then it shortens their careers, stops fights. (smacks lips) I don't wanna see that.

Yves Edwards 51:33 And also breaking hands.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 51:35 I mean, like, I, like I'm ... That's why I don't wanna watch it. I, I'm not a big fan of cuts. Remember, um, Marvin Eastman and Vitor Belfort?

Joe Rogan 51:42 Oh.

Yves Edwards 51:42 I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't ... Like, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah, horrific.

Yves Edwards 51:45 I wa- ... I, I wanna show you something.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Okay.

Yves Edwards 51:49 That's, like ... You, you, when you ... Do you see ... When you see those gory videos, does that really throw you?

Joe Rogan 51:53 No.

Yves Edwards 51:54 Like ... Okay, so I'm gonna show you something and it's horrible, right? But, um ... Oh, crap.

Joe Rogan 51:58 What is it?

Yves Edwards 51:59 Um, it's a video. It's a video of, of ... I don't even know how to explain it. I don't wanna, I don't wanna tell you what it is until you see it-

Joe Rogan 52:08 Okay.

Yves Edwards 52:08 ... because it is so graphic.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Is it a fight video? Or-

Yves Edwards 52:11 It's not a fight video. It's just something gory.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Okay.

Yves Edwards 52:15 You wanna see some gore?

Joe Rogan 52:16 Sure, yeah.

Yves Edwards 52:16 All right.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Show me.

Yves Edwards 52:18 I keep-

Joe Rogan 52:19 Mm.

Yves Edwards 52:19 ... um, forgetting how to get through my phone sometimes.

Joe Rogan 52:21 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 52:21 But I found it.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Okay, let's see.

Yves Edwards 52:26 So you're watching that, right?

Joe Rogan 52:28 Okay.

Yves Edwards 52:30 Uh, I don't know if those two things go together.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Yves Edwards 52:36 Mm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Whoa.

Narrator 52:41 Yeah, his face is gone.

Yves Edwards 52:41 You can see that, Jamie?

Narrator 52:42 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 52:43 Yeah.

Narrator 52:43 His face is gone.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Whoa.

Yves Edwards 52:45 Like, I don't know if that, that ... Part one equals part two. I don't know if that was just edited, but still.

Joe Rogan 52:50 It looks like it took him right in the mug.

Yves Edwards 52:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:53 That seems like what it would do if a log hit you in the face like that.

Yves Edwards 52:56 I don't wanna see that.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Wow, that guy's whole head is broken. He's missing his upper jaw.

Yves Edwards 53:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:01 (inhales sharply) Yikes.

Yves Edwards 53:03 Like, I don't-

Joe Rogan 53:04 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 53:04 ... I don't even wanna look. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:05 Yeah. Well-

Yves Edwards 53:06 I don't-

Joe Rogan 53:06 How about Cyborg, when Michael Venom Page hit him with that knee?

Yves Edwards 53:10 (inhales sharply)

Joe Rogan 53:11 Whoo. That's one that makes you, it makes you fucking ... Your whole body tightens up, like, "Eesh."

Yves Edwards 53:16 Like, how do you, how do you dent somebody's skull? Like-

Joe Rogan 53:18 Never seen that.

Yves Edwards 53:18 ... do you know how much force you have to hit somebody with like that?

Joe Rogan 53:21 Crazy. Think of all the fights you've seen. We've never seen that. I've never seen that.

Yves Edwards 53:25 Think about this. When something ... You've ... Everybody who's been hit on the head or something fell on your head and it's a edge of something and it just-

Joe Rogan 53:32 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 53:32 That pain?

Joe Rogan 53:33 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:33 I can't imagine what that pain is like. That's, that's bone.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Yeah, there's-

Yves Edwards 53:37 The bone ... I don't wanna see it.

Joe Rogan 53:38 There's the-

Yves Edwards 53:39 That's like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:39 ... the X-ray with a ...

Yves Edwards 53:39 No, I'm not saying don't put it on, (laughs) just, like, I looked over there, like ... That, that screen brightened up and ...

Joe Rogan 53:44 Well, how about ... Yeah, what, uh, Cosmo Alexandre did to Sage Northcutt?

Yves Edwards 53:49 To Sage?

Joe Rogan 53:49 That's crazy too.

Yves Edwards 53:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:51 One punch broke, like, eight bones in his face. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:56 Like, it's not, this is not for the lighthearted, man.

Joe Rogan 53:58 It's not for the lighthearted.

Yves Edwards 53:59 You can't do it. Like, and a lot of people, a lot ... Like, I'm not, I'm not a Sage hater, but I'm not a Sage lover. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 54:06 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 54:06 But, like, I don't wish that on anybody in a fight.

Joe Rogan 54:09 I don't wish that on anybody either. And I don't, I don't like that matchup. I didn't like that matchup at all. I was like, "What are they doing?" That is a, that's a world champion striker.

Yves Edwards 54:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Cosmo is a fucking bad man.

Yves Edwards 54:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:23 He's a bad man. He lights people on fire.

Yves Edwards 54:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:27 You know? And, and him at 185 pounds with no weight cutting? And that's one of the things that he said about that fight, how good he felt-

Yves Edwards 54:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:33 ... like, where he didn't have to cut any weight. You see how thick and fucking full he looked. He wasn't depleted and dehydrated and everything like that. And that is just not Sage's ... You know, see, bring it back to the beginning.

Narrator 54:45 He, he does this on all angles. You can see it a couple times.

Joe Rogan 54:47 But look how th- ... Look how thick he is too. Like, if you've seen Cosmo's fights before ... I remember when he fought John Wayne Parr in Lion Fight. I mean, but John Wayne Parr is a multiple time world champion and a skillful guy, and he managed to avoid, like, the big power shots like this and didn't get hurt. But it's also Cosmo having a chance to punch you with MMA gloves on too.

Yves Edwards 55:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:09 With the majority of his career, he fought Muay Thai.Boom. I mean, that is a crazy punch, man.

Yves Edwards 55:14 Everything's behind that.

Joe Rogan 55:15 It's, and it's like, this kid is just not ready for this yet.

Yves Edwards 55:18 No.

Joe Rogan 55:18 He's just not ready for this. As much as he has experience in karate and, you know, he had some good MMA fights against some, you know, good fighters, this is not a good fighter. That's an elite, world-class striker.

Yves Edwards 55:31 Striker.

Joe Rogan 55:32 And, you know, you're fighting him with little gloves on in a ring.

Yves Edwards 55:35 And you're, your mixed martial arts game is primarily a striking game.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 55:41 You know? You're at, you're at a big disadvantage.

Joe Rogan 55:43 Huge. Enormous disadvantage. I like what ONE is doing, though. I really do. I like what they're doing. I thought that's interesting too, that they made them fight in a ring. Well, I don't know how many events ONE does in a ring versus does in a cage-

Yves Edwards 55:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:55 ... but the dynamics shift radically when you get caught, you get cornered. You know? Like, that's one of the cool things about the Bellator cage-

Yves Edwards 56:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:01 ... is it's circular. There's no corner on anybody.

Yves Edwards 56:04 There's no corner. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Yeah. But that, you know, when you see a boxing ring like that.

Yves Edwards 56:08 Yeah. Um, that's especially, again, with Cosmo, like-

Joe Rogan 56:13 Yes.

Yves Edwards 56:13 ... that's where he spent most of his time.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Yeah. It's a-

Yves Edwards 56:15 Like, all of his time.

Joe Rogan 56:16 It's a different environment.

Yves Edwards 56:17 It's v- And cutting that off is so much easier. And for a guy who's, who knows how to do that, uh, it, he... (laughs) It's almost like Sage was set up. I'm not saying they set him up, but-

Joe Rogan 56:27 It does look like he was set up. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 56:28 But that's just a bad situation.

Joe Rogan 56:29 Well, he didn't have... I mean, I guess he didn't have to take the fight. I don't know h- I, I, I should say I don't know how they do their matchmaking. I don't know if it's like... Like the UFC kind of forces fights on people, right? They let you know, like, "You take this fight or, you know, we're probably not gonna call you."

Yves Edwards 56:43 You're not gonna win it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Yeah. I mean, it's up to you, but if you want a career in the UFC, you take fights when you get 'em. But like, when you see fighters in boxing, they get... If a, they have a really good manager, they, the manager knows who the guy you're gonna fight is and says, "Okay, Yves, this guy is good, but you can beat him. And this is what I like about this style. He's gonna, he's gonna challenge you in a couple areas, but overall you're a better fighter than y- than him. But it'll give you a challenge, and we're trying to build your record up to get you a title shot." And, you know, maybe you'd be 9 and 0, 10 and 0, 11 and 0, 12 and 0. And then, you know, you get to a certain level and they go, "Okay, we're ready to fight for a title." And then it would be this big promotion, "Yves Edwards, you know, 17 and 0, you know, 16 knockouts," and it shows your highlight reel.

Yves Edwards 57:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Like, this is something that m- big management. This is the reason why it's, it exists in boxing.

Yves Edwards 57:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:35 It's actually smart, 'cause it's a part of the development of a fighter. For every Jon Jones that could just step into the octagon at 21 years old and start fucking people up, there's so many young fighters that could be world champions, but then they run into elite competition early in their career and get fucked up, and then they, th- th- their dream kind of drifts away from them.

Yves Edwards 57:58 Yeah, if fear gets put in, put in them early.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Yep. Yep.

Yves Edwards 58:01 That's, that's a problem.

Joe Rogan 58:02 And unnecessarily, in my, in my opinion.

Yves Edwards 58:05 Yeah, I agree. Um, and that's, that's the thing about guys getting into the UFC really early in their career. Like, that-

Joe Rogan 58:13 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 58:13 That's everybody's goal.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 58:14 Virtually every fighter on the planet, that's where they wanna be. That's the most recognized belt. That's, that's the belt that everybody considers the, uh, the highest ranked belt, right? So, that's where everybody wants to get. And getting there with two or three fights under your ra- under your belt, um, it's exciting but, like, you don't... Y- y- you're, you're in the wolf's den now.

Joe Rogan 58:34 Yeah, it's not smart. Everybody wants to say they're a UFC fighter, but it, uh, really isn't smart. The smart way to do it is to fight on the regional circuit, train at a really good gym, and develop yourself. Get to a point-

Yves Edwards 58:46 Brian Ortega.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 58:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yeah. I mean, there's... Look, look what Marlon Moraes did, you know?

Yves Edwards 58:51 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:51 When he was, before PFL, when it was the World Series of Fighting-

Yves Edwards 58:54 World Series.

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... psh, he was fucking everybody up over there and we were watching him-

Yves Edwards 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... going, "How would this guy fare against world-class competition?" And then you get, get him to the UFC, you go, "Okay, well this guy's the real deal."

Yves Edwards 59:05 Yeah, he's right there.

Joe Rogan 59:06 He's the real deal. But he, it took all those years in smaller shows, and to build up that sort of skillset, and that confidence and experience.

Yves Edwards 59:14 There's a lot of, a lot of good guys that came through there, like Gaethje, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:18 Mm-hmm. Sure. Perfect example. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:20 Yeah. And it's, it's also a good place, um, when you get, when, when guys got b- When... I'm not talking about now, of course, 'cause it's no longer the World Series, but when guys got, you know, they got to the UFC and they didn't, their experience showed that they weren't ready for it.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 59:34 And, you know, having these smaller promotions, that, that's a good thing because some of those guys, their spirit doesn't necessarily break, they just know they're not ready for that yet.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Yeah. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:43 So, going back down and working their way back up. But then again, it's hard. It's, uh, it's... Sometimes it's hard to, to earn that second shot.

Joe Rogan 59:50 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 59:51 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:52 Like, you can go back and, and it, uh, I guess it all depends also on the relationship you had with, with, with the powers that be.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Right.

Yves Edwards 59:58 Because once y- once you're out, you know, if you, you went out on a bad note, it kind of doesn't really matter.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Yeah, there's some bridge burners out there.

Yves Edwards 1:00:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Some young guys that get crazy and then they do an interview. Uh, interviews are so toxic, right? You get-

Yves Edwards 1:00:10 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 You start getting crazy and you say something that really could fuck up your entire career and you might not even really mean it. Or if you do mean it, you might mean it only for an hour.

Yves Edwards 1:00:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 You know? And then after you say like, "Why did I say that? I, I, d- Really I should look at it from their perspective." They're trying to run a business.

Yves Edwards 1:00:26 Don't be in your feelings.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Yeah, don't be in your feelings. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 1:00:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Well like, you know, one of the more interesting things about the PFL this season was, uh, Vinny Magalhaes. Like, Vinny Magalhaes has become who I thought he would be earlier in his career because he's such a phenom with grappling. I mean, he's, he's the legitimate world champion. I mean, I remember watching him throw a flying armbar on Pe de Pano, who's, uh, a multiple time Brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion himself and Vinny just locks him up and jumps into a flying armbar, I'm like, "That is crazy," and finished him off. I was like, "That is insane." Like, that's how good Vinny is. And he was catching people and d- g- and I thought he was on his way. And Sean... What is his last name? Again?

Yves Edwards 1:01:10 Sean O'Connell.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 O- O'Connell. Yeah, I wanna say O'Malley, but I know that's not his name.

Yves Edwards 1:01:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Sean O'Connell. Um, I was very impressed, man. Amazed that he was able to beat him.

Yves Edwards 1:01:17 Man, he put, he put a real good game plan together. He had Jeremy Hunt in his corner too.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Oh.

Yves Edwards 1:01:21 Like, having, having that knowledge-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:01:23 ... bank behind you, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:01:25 But, um, like, Vinny...I think his fights lasted, like, not even a round to get to, to get to the finals.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:01:32 So that's four fights and he hasn't even spent five minutes in the cage yet, you know. And then Sean takes him to the end. But then this season, Vinny just fought a couple of weeks ago and, um, man, the... I guess it's kinda like the strategy to beat Vinny, of course, is to keep the fight standing. Um, not get taken down, not be on bottom, don't even let him pull guard. But he took, he took, he took a pounding in that first round. He, he needs, he needs a win. He needs like... He needs to show that, that Vinny level jujitsu-

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:02:01 ... in his next fight to get into the playoffs this year.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 Did he win his fight?

Yves Edwards 1:02:04 He lost.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 He lost?

Yves Edwards 1:02:05 He got stopped in the second, I believe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 By who?

Yves Edwards 1:02:08 Emiliano Sori.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Oh.

Yves Edwards 1:02:10 He lit him up, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Really?

Yves Edwards 1:02:12 He just, just picked him apart, stayed on the outside. I think Vinny did get... Land one take down, but Sori defended, got back to his feet-

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:02:20 And he like... He just worked him, body, head, just really good boxing.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Yeah, Vinny might be the, the, just that guy that's just elite level jujitsu guy that never quite realizes his full potential in MMA, you know. And it's also like the amount of time, you gotta think, he was back in the Ultimate Fighter, Ryan Bader stopped him in the finals. That was a long time ago.

Yves Edwards 1:02:40 That was like the third or fourth se- fourth or fifth season.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Something like that.

Yves Edwards 1:02:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 So what was that? 2007 or something like that? 12 years ago.

Yves Edwards 1:02:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 That's a long career.

Yves Edwards 1:02:47 It's a long time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 You know?

Yves Edwards 1:02:48 But like he, he still looks good. He still has it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 He looks amazing.

Yves Edwards 1:02:51 His, his striking has gotten better.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:02:53 I mean, he's not going to be able to go toe-to-toe with the elite level strikers in his weight class, but, um, his wrestling is where, where I think that's where he really needs to focus now if he still wants to do... Like, or how much longer he wants to do this.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Right.

Yves Edwards 1:03:06 Because-

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 How old is he now?

Yves Edwards 1:03:08 I think Vinny's 30... 33, 34? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 35.

Yves Edwards 1:03:12 I was close.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:03:13 But, um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:14 But his striking is... You have to respect it. You have to respect his standing and if he could transition to, to taking a shot off of that and just chain wrestle, like, that'll be so much better because on top, of course-

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:27 ... you know, he's, he's gonna be a monster. But if he's pulling guard, um, there's a few guys he's gonna catch, but most, most of the better guys, you, you're gonna have a problem there.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 What were you gonna say?

Narrator 1:03:36 It's his birthday today.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Oh.

Narrator 1:03:38 He just turned 35.

Yves Edwards 1:03:38 Oh, happy birthday Vinny.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Happy birthday, Vinny. Yeah, he's, uh, one of the few guys... I mean, he... Didn't he get like two kimuras in a row?

Yves Edwards 1:03:45 Two kimuras on the same night.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Did he really?

Yves Edwards 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 On the same... Oh-

Yves Edwards 1:03:48 One from-

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 They're fighting on the same night. That shit's crazy. I'm not a fan of that.

Yves Edwards 1:03:52 Why?

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 'Cause I think that the problem is, say if two guys fight, right? And one guy knocks the other guy out real quick and then goes into the next round, but the other guy who is going to fight, he, he fights and he has a rough three-round war and then he goes into the next fight. One guy's super fresh and the other guy's body's beat to shit. Just doesn't, doesn't make sense. Like one guy's legs are all fucked up. He's been leg kicked. He might've got dinged. He might be like a little dizzy and then he's gonna go and fight an hour later? That, that seems ridiculous to me.

Yves Edwards 1:04:27 But what about like... Does that... So that's different for you if it's wrestling or if it's, um, a submission grappling tournament?

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Yes.

Yves Edwards 1:04:33 Because there's no striking involved?

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Yeah, because there's no striking.

Yves Edwards 1:04:37 The thing about that is you can always... If, if you're going in banged up, right? Or if you get hurt... We saw that last year in the playoffs. Um, I forget who it was. I, I believe it was, um, Mamedov. No, Islam Mamedov, right? He won his fight, but he... I don't remember what the injury was, but he pulled out, you know, and the guy he beat who was not banged up really, I mean, the fight was a tough fight. Um, he claimed he wasn't... He was going in at 100% except for the conditioning. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Hmm-

Yves Edwards 1:05:08 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah, but the thing is like, th- there's a difference between being injured, like you tear your ACL and you know it and like, "I can't fight. I can't