JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards

1. 0:00 – 2:08

   Nomad life and the ever-shifting rules of language

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (paper rustling) Doot, doot. (hand slamming) Yves Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, sir.

   2. YEYves Edwards0:06

      Hey.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you, brother. What's going on?

   4. YEYves Edwards0:08

      Um, everything and nothing, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Everything and nothing?

   6. YEYves Edwards0:11

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      You were telling me you're, uh, this is a crazy w- time for you. You're, you're a vagabond. You're traveling around, man.

   8. YEYves Edwards0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Like a gypsy.

   10. YEYves Edwards0:16

       I, I, I like the term nomad.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Nomad's good.

   12. YEYves Edwards0:19

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       It's a good term.

   14. YEYves Edwards0:19

       Yeah, vagabond makes it sound like I'm poor-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Right, right, right.

   16. YEYves Edwards0:21

       ... and I got, like, a stick with my-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Yeah.

   18. YEYves Edwards0:22

       ... clothes tied in a back and...

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Yeah, nomad's like a gypsy with money.

   20. YEYves Edwards0:25

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       No, but gypsies are... Is that a derogatory term?

   22. NANarrator0:28

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       I- it didn't used to be. I think it might be now.

   24. YEYves Edwards0:30

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       They can say it. Like, King of the Gypsies is, uh, Tyson Fury. He's allowed to say it.

   26. YEYves Edwards0:35

       He's allowed to say it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Might be one of them things.

   28. YEYves Edwards0:37

       Yeah, we got a word like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs)

   30. YEYves Edwards0:39

       (laughs)
2. 2:08 – 4:00

   Perception, color, and the absurdity of taste (yellow cars)

   1. YEYves Edwards2:08

      Words, man. Words is a hard thing. I remember one time Mickey, Joe, Mickey, Joe Schilling, (laughs) Mickey Gall, Joe Schilling and I were talking about, about words and, and perceptions and, like, like, your shirt. Your shirt is green, right? But if I were to be in your consciousness, will I see your shirt and would I see it as, as red, but I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      Right.

   3. YEYves Edwards2:27

      ... I know it as green?

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Yeah.

   5. YEYves Edwards2:29

      You know what I mean?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Oh, for sure.

   7. YEYves Edwards2:30

      Do we see the same colors as the same thing?

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      No, we don't... We have no way of knowing. Right?

   9. YEYves Edwards2:34

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       I have no way of knowing what... Like, some people are into weird shit, like yellow cars.

   11. YEYves Edwards2:39

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Right?

   13. YEYves Edwards2:41

       That's not weird, though.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       That's weird.

   15. YEYves Edwards2:43

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Of all the colors to paint a car, like, why the fuck do you want a yellow car?

   17. YEYves Edwards2:49

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       (laughs) Like, uh, a nice car. Like, you see, like, a yellow Corvette. Like, what the fuck are you doing to that Corvette?

   19. YEYves Edwards2:54

       I swear you were gonna say something different. I swear I was like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       (laughs)

   21. YEYves Edwards2:57

       He's like, "People listen to the people into weird shit." I thought you were gonna say, like, scat or something. But like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       Oh, well, they're, they're definitely into that.

   23. YEYves Edwards3:02

       Like yellow cars, that's not so bad.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Yeah, but, I mean, I don't know what they're seeing. Like, to me, a yellow car is like, "Ah, that's unfortunate."

   25. YEYves Edwards3:10

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       You know? Like, "Why would you t- do that color?" Did, like, maybe it was on, on sale 'cause it's a shitty color. I think that.

   27. YEYves Edwards3:16

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       You know?

   29. YEYves Edwards3:16

       So yellow cars should cost less? Less.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Unless you just, you have, trying to make a point, like, your, your car is like a bumblebee or something. You know, like, you got black stripes and yellow and...
3. 4:00 – 8:54

   Motorcycles: choppers vs. sport bikes, control, and electric futures

   1. YEYves Edwards4:00

      Like, like, I, I'm not a big fan of, um, of, like, choppers. I'm not a f- I, I don't like them.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:04

      Yeah, those seem silly to me.

   3. YEYves Edwards4:05

      I like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      They seem like you can't turn.

   5. YEYves Edwards4:07

      Yeah. I like crotch rockets and, and dirt bikes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      This shit drives me crazy.

   7. YEYves Edwards4:10

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      The eight handles on your Holden, if you don't know what, um, for people just listening-

   9. YEYves Edwards4:16

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       ... they have handlebars that are above your fucking head.

   11. YEYves Edwards4:19

       Yeah, you're hanging.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       So you're driving around like this.

   13. YEYves Edwards4:21

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       And you, if you have to turn quick, you're fucked.

   15. YEYves Edwards4:24

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       (laughs) Like, how can you get away from shit?

   17. YEYves Edwards4:26

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       And then, and once it goes bad, uh, like, you- you're not gonna recover.

   19. YEYves Edwards4:29

       Yeah, I would think they would have, like, a secondary handlebar.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       Yeah.

   21. YEYves Edwards4:33

       Just so that you don't-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. YEYves Edwards4:34

       ... have to ride like that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       So you get tired, have some shit right over the gas tank.

   25. YEYves Edwards4:36

       That folds out.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Yeah.

   27. YEYves Edwards4:38

       Like, we can do that. We could patent that and make that and probably make millions of dollars. Somebody's gotta steal that idea.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       I feel like crotch rockets seem safer because they're more maneuverable.

   29. YEYves Edwards4:45

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Like, you can handle those motherfuckers.
4. 8:54 – 13:16

   Hong Kong protests, global unrest, and tech-enabled telepathy

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:54

      Did you see the, the Hong Kong protests that are going on?

   2. YEYves Edwards8:57

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:57

      There's crazy protests going on in Hong Kong, but what's, uh, amazing is there was an ambulance and the ambulance was trying to ... I mean, there's giant crowds on the street, I mean, f- fucking thousands if not m- a million people, right? They part like the sea for this, for this ambulance. It's crazy. Like, if that shit was happening in America-

   4. YEYves Edwards9:17

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      ... good luck. You could blow that horn all you want. What is this, Jamie?

   6. YEYves Edwards9:21

      We're gonna have to ru- Oh, is that it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:23

      Oh, is this, is this it?

   8. YEYves Edwards9:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      You gonna ... Mm.

   10. YEYves Edwards9:26

       Why does, why does it say North Point and not, like, Chinese characters on the street?

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Yeah. You sure this is the one?

   12. NANarrator9:33

       Uh, Hong Kong, I mean.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       "Hong Kong protesters block road, ma- way for ambulance." I saw an overhead shot of it, it was more impressive because it was, uh, this giant sea of people and they all just made way and everybody got right the fuck outta the way for ambulances.

   14. YEYves Edwards9:47

       It's like when a predatory fish swims through, like, a s-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Mm-hmm.

   16. YEYves Edwards9:49

       ... small school of fish.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       Oh, here it is. This, this-

   18. NANarrator9:51

       There's a, this is a different one. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       ... is what I saw, yeah. So these people just open up. Good luck trying that shit in America.

   20. NANarrator9:57

       Mm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       I mean, these people are so polite. (laughs)

   22. NANarrator10:01

       There's millions of protesters there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       Yeah.

   24. NANarrator10:03

       Like, it's two to three million or something.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       Yeah, what do the ... Do you know what they're protesting over?

   26. NANarrator10:07

       I, I can't exactly-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       I can't ... There's so much outrage worldwide I can't keep track.

   28. YEYves Edwards10:11

       Man, yeah, there's stuff going on everywhere. You see that, there's, there's stuff in Sudan right now.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       Everywhere.

   30. YEYves Edwards10:16

       You know?
5. 13:16 – 15:36

   Traveling to fight overseas: Japan, pachinko culture, and mask-wearing

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:16

      When you were fighting, what was the place... Wh- what... You... How many times, different times did you travel overseas to fight?

   2. YEYves Edwards13:23

      Seven. Six or seven, something like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:25

      Was there any... What was the weirdest place?

   4. YEYves Edwards13:27

      Weirdest? Most different was Japan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:30

      Yeah.

   6. YEYves Edwards13:30

      But, um, I wouldn't say it was weird.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:32

      Just different.

   8. YEYves Edwards13:33

      Just different.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      Yeah.

   10. YEYves Edwards13:34

       Very different. It was like being in the future or something.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       (laughs)

   12. YEYves Edwards13:37

       Right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Yeah, right?

   14. YEYves Edwards13:38

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       In Tokyo. Yeah.

   16. YEYves Edwards13:40

       You're like, I, I, I don't know, it was a lot of fun, the different things they do. The, the weirdest thing about being over there was at that pachinko game. Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       What's a pachinko game?

   18. YEYves Edwards13:48

       It's like these people, they play, they... It's like a gambling game and, um, they have these buckets of, like, ball bearings and they put them in the game and I don't, I don't even know what the rules are. But you see, like, older and, and middle-aged Japanese people, they just sit there for hours just playing and you win and it's like, um, like winning a slot... It's like a slot machine kind of, right? So when you win, like, you get a bunch of these, these balls back. I swear to you, if you... Like, I don't know, if Jamie pulled up, like, something with... It's... I think it's P-A-chinko, but-

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       Oh, sorry. Here's a guy who's-

   20. YEYves Edwards14:20

       Yeah, there it is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       "Japan's biggest gaming obsession explained: Pachinko."

   22. YEYves Edwards14:24

       They're like putting ball bearings in there and they just go for hours.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       And they're all wearing... There's so many people wearing masks. (laughs) That's the other weird thing about Asia, right?

   24. YEYves Edwards14:32

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       They got... A lot of people like to wear those masks. So, so that's the game? That thing that they're... This, this weird... How's it work?

   26. YEYves Edwards14:41

       Uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       Did you play it?

   28. YEYves Edwards14:42

       No. I mean, I don't know, I don't know what you're trying to do.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       Wow.

   30. YEYves Edwards14:46

       Like, everything is in Japanese. That, that's the currency for the game.
6. 15:36 – 20:20

   Vegas, Fremont Street, and the minefield of modern social commentary

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      Dude, I, I don't... Look, every time I go to Vegas, every time I go through a casino, I freak out. I just, I just see those people, I feel like they're wasting their life playing those goddamn slot machines.

   2. YEYves Edwards15:47

      Slot machines, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      Yeah.

   4. YEYves Edwards15:48

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      That's-

   6. YEYves Edwards15:49

      But the first time I went to... The first time I fought in Vegas, I, um, I played a slot machine. Um, that was the only time I've ever... I... This is the first time I gambled. Like, in the Bahamas when I was growing up also, Bahamians couldn't even gamble in the Bahamas. But then I came here and I was in Vegas and I was like, "I want to play slots," but I, I was, like, against gambling so I played the nickel slots for a while.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      (laughs)

   8. YEYves Edwards16:08

      I won 20 bucks on the nickel slots, I remember I was shaking my, my, my winnings in people's faces like, "I won."

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      That's hilarious. You gotta go to, like, Circus Circus or some place to play the nickel slots.

   10. YEYves Edwards16:17

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       You ever go to that place?

   12. YEYves Edwards16:19

       I've been... Yeah, I've stayed at Circus Circus before.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       That's a window into history.

   14. YEYves Edwards16:23

       (laughs) Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       I go to Circus Circus every time I go to Vegas with my kids because, uh, my youngest daughter likes going there. She likes playing all those stupid carnival games. She thinks it's hilarious. She's nine, you know?

   16. YEYves Edwards16:34

       Yup.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       So she likes shooting water at the thing and the balloon-

   18. YEYves Edwards16:37

       Yup.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       ... pops and all that stuff, so we always go there. But it's always... And then they do, like, a circus show where they'll have, like, a clown and trapeze artists, but it's like... No disrespect, but it's kind of second rate. You know? Like, the, the trapeze guy's got a gut.

   20. YEYves Edwards16:52

       Yeah. Well, I mean, when... Especially when you co- (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       (laughs)

   22. YEYves Edwards16:55

       You know, he's a little thick around the middle. He's... (laughs) His, his best days of flipping around through the air are over.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       (laughs)

   24. YEYves Edwards17:01

       He's got the, yeah, the big gut and the long arms.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. YEYves Edwards17:04

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       Stretched out arms.

   28. YEYves Edwards17:06

       You know what I'm talking about.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Yeah.

   30. YEYves Edwards17:07

       Yeah, that's... I don't know. It's... Especially, um, when you compare, when you say second rate, especially when you compare it to, like, Blue Man Group or-
7. 20:20 – 28:17

   Strength extremes and gender biomechanics: Ninja Warrior, grip tests, and ‘manspreading’

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:20

      Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. A big fella. (laughs) Yeah, he's always entering the- those strongman competitions are the- the most ridiculous thing to watch. You know, whenever I'm, like, bored flipping through the channels and I catch some dude throwing a- a beer barrel over a-

   2. YEYves Edwards20:38

      Over his head?

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:38

      ... fucking pole, you know? It's like- there's always a- a suspended pole-

   4. YEYves Edwards20:41

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:41

      ... and they're throwing it over the top of- like a- like a high jump pole. It's so ridiculous.

   6. YEYves Edwards20:46

      Yeah. I mean, but those- those type o- type of competitions you talk about, like- like, that- there's that, and then you have that for the athletic or dynamic-

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:54

      Mm-hmm.

   8. YEYves Edwards20:54

      ... people, like American Ninja Warrior.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:55

      Yeah. Oh, well, that's inter-

   10. YEYves Edwards20:56

       Or Ninja Warrior.

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       That's fucking interesting, man.

   12. YEYves Edwards20:58

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:58

       Those Ninja War- Warrior shows are crazy. You- you watch those guys and you go, "That is some serious fucking athleticism to be able to do that."

   14. YEYves Edwards21:05

       Yeah. That'll- that- that- that's a whole new sport now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Mm-hmm.

   16. YEYves Edwards21:08

       Like, they create gyms based around that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Yeah.

   18. YEYves Edwards21:10

       ... and people are, like- like, training for it. Like, people are training for the trials.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       Yeah. No, I c- I imagine. There's probably- you p- I- I wonder- I'd like to know, like, who's the best at that weight class-wise? I bet it's guys that are, like, 160 pounds and under.

   20. YEYves Edwards21:24

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       'Cause you-

   22. YEYves Edwards21:25

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       ... you could carry yourself easier. Because we- we did a stunt on Fear Factor once where you had to, uh- they were suspen- they were off a bridge and they, um, had to hold- just hold themselves, like, on a chin-up bar over a bridge. And the girls all beat the guys.

   24. YEYves Edwards21:40

       Wait. They were- they were-

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       They were just hanging.

   26. YEYves Edwards21:42

       Just hanging?

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       Just hanging.

   28. YEYves Edwards21:43

       Not pulling themselves-

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       Just hanging. Nope.

   30. YEYves Edwards21:44

       Oh, okay.
8. 28:17 – 37:04

   Elk meat, hunting ethics, and choosing your death by predator

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:17

      Yeah. I don't ha- my, my house is zero designed by me. There's no decorations of mine. Just, I have one mounted elk head. That's it. The first elk I ever shot with a bow and arrow, I have mounted. That's it. Everything else, fucking, I don't care. It looks good.

   2. YEYves Edwards28:34

      The first time I came through here, you gave me some elk meat. I made spaghetti out of it. It was some of the best spaghetti I ever made, ever.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:41

      It's super good for your body, man.

   4. YEYves Edwards28:42

      It's really good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:43

      If you could eat that shit all the time.

   6. YEYves Edwards28:44

      I would.

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:44

      If you lived around here, I'd hook you up all the time.

   8. YEYves Edwards28:46

      Yeah, I used to. When I get back, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start, I'm just gonna start hitting you up, asking you for elk meat.

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:50

      How long you in town for?

   10. YEYves Edwards28:52

       I leave in the morning.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:53

       Do you have a place to cook tonight?

   12. YEYves Edwards28:56

       (kissing noise) Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:57

       I got some food for you.

   14. YEYves Edwards28:58

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:58

       Okay? I got some elk sausage that's out of this fucking world.

   16. YEYves Edwards29:01

       All right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:02

       Oh, it's good.

   18. YEYves Edwards29:03

       Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm completely down, man. The first time, I was, I was a little hesitant.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       Yeah.

   20. YEYves Edwards29:07

       'Cause I was like, "Well, this didn't come from the store, so I'm not-" (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       (laughs)

   22. YEYves Edwards29:11

       You know what I mean? But then, I took it home. I, I, I made it up and I was just like, "Oh, man." The, it, the flavor is so different.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. YEYves Edwards29:17

       Like, the flavor is different. The texture's different. Um, I don't know. I really, I wanted more.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       It's alive. I mean, in, in terms of, like, when you're eating it, it just feels like it's got energy. It's got power.

   26. YEYves Edwards29:28

       Yeah. Like, it, like, it tastes like it had a good life.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:30

       Yeah, man. Like, to the, if you're eating some (clears throat) some, like, a pig that lives in a pen, like, ugh, sad. It's just sadness.

   28. YEYves Edwards29:39

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       But if you're eating an elk, especially if it didn't know you were there, like, that elk had no idea you were there until that arrow hit its ribcage and then it's dead in seconds. That, that thing lived a noble life.

   30. YEYves Edwards29:50

       Yeah.
9. 37:04 – 41:08

   Bahamas childhood and ocean skills: sharks, turtles, and the pull of island life

   1. YEYves Edwards37:04

      Yeah. I, um ...I, I just recently went home to the Bahamas and I w- I, I'm starting to miss it more and more and more because as I get older, I rem- I, I, I long for the things that I did as a little kid. I long...

   2. JRJoe Rogan37:18

      Mm-hmm.

   3. YEYves Edwards37:18

      ... for the places as I w- that I was at as a little kid. And so my family's from this little place called Farmer's Cay, Exuma. That's three-quarters of a mile by seven-eighths. I think I've told you that before and it's tiny. And I was there this time and just seeing, just, just waking up every morning and, uh, just looking out the window and just blue ocean all day.

   4. JRJoe Rogan37:36

      Mm.

   5. YEYves Edwards37:36

      Um, I just, I wanna go back there. The people that, peop- the people that live there, like you get a boat at like 14, 15 years old 'cause you, there's just really nothing that you can do on the island other than interact with your family and fish, right? Everything, everything for- everything that you need staple-wise, you have to go somewhere else to get it or it has to be brought in. So like, I have a cousin who, um, is like, he's older than me, he's like my grandmother's generation but he's my cousin, um, he's like four years older than me, but like this guy, he free dives and he will go down and he will hang out on the water for like two or three minutes...

   6. JRJoe Rogan38:08

      (exhales loudly)

   7. YEYves Edwards38:09

      ... like with his, with a spear. He doesn't, he doesn't like to scuba, he doesn't like to take, um, take a tank with him. One time we're, we're, we're fishing out the back of the boat, he's out the front and he's like, he... And then on top of that he's in, he's in the water and he re- he comes out of the water and he reaches up and he says, "Hey Julian, bring the boat over here. It's a shark." So (laughs) like there's noth- like it, it, but it... And then he goes back down, you know what I mean? There's a shark in the water near him, probably a reef shark, and, um, he's got his spear and he's just like, "Just get closer," but I'm still fishing. Like that's, that's the life.

   8. JRJoe Rogan38:40

      So he just wants to be able to get out if shit goes sideways?

   9. YEYves Edwards38:42

      Yeah. I ge- I'm assuming.

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:44

       (laughs)

   11. YEYves Edwards38:44

       But I'm like...

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:44

       He's not scared. Would you think that it would be safer to be in the water or on top of the water if there was a shark? Like if you had goggles, you could see the motherfucker, wouldn't you wanna be in the water?

   13. YEYves Edwards38:55

       Do you mean...

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:55

       Rather than on top and not knowing where he's coming from?

   15. YEYves Edwards38:59

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:59

       I would think so.

   17. YEYves Edwards39:00

       I would think so but then you, like not only is it 360, but it's like universal, the view is universal, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:05

       Right.

   19. YEYves Edwards39:05

       But if you're on top of the water and you can see at least as like you got your back to the wall.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:11

       Yeah.

   21. YEYves Edwards39:11

       He can't come from the top.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:12

       That's true.

   23. YEYves Edwards39:13

       So.

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       That's true. But if you're tr-

   25. YEYves Edwards39:14

       I don't know.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       I don't know.

   27. YEYves Edwards39:15

       But I'm, at, at the same time you're in the water with an animal who's, who, that's his natural habitat.

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:20

       Yeah.

   29. YEYves Edwards39:20

       Like you can't, you can't even turn around nearly as fast as he can. He can sp- probably swim around you and come up from the back before you could even turn around.

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:27

       Yeah, probably.
10. 41:08 – 46:13

    Work, genius ‘assholes,’ and the fighter’s emotional highs and lows

    1. YEYves Edwards41:08

       You, you, hey did you watch the Steve Jobs movie?

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:11

       No.

    3. YEYves Edwards41:12

       I haven't either but just recently it was on television and the f- the opening scene was some guy in like, I don't know, his 70s or 60s talking about computers. When computers were huge, when computers were like those big things-

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:23

       Mm-hmm.

    5. YEYves Edwards41:23

       ... that take up an entire room. Um, he's like, "Yeah, one day like you can be anywhere in the world and you can work. You can be on a remote island and you can be doing your work and you will get emails." He was talking about emails like in the '60s, you know?

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:35

       Oh.

    7. YEYves Edwards41:35

       He's talking about the internet in the '60s or something. It's on the beginning of the Jobs movie. And I'm like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:39

       Is that the one with Ashton Kutcher?

    9. YEYves Edwards41:42

       No. (laughs)

    10. NANarrator41:44

        I was gonna ask which one. There's another one, the Fass- Michael Fassbender too that came out.

    11. YEYves Edwards41:47

        I think it's the Fassbender. I don't know what Michael Fassbender looks like.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:50

        Well I know that name, but who's-

    13. YEYves Edwards41:51

        Me too.

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:51

        ... Michael Fassbender?

    15. NANarrator41:52

        He's, uh...

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        What was he in?

    17. NANarrator41:54

        I bel- uh, I wanna say, I think he's like Loki in the Avengers. I think that's him.

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:58

        Oh. Oh, that makes sense.

    19. NANarrator41:59

        Unless I'm just making somebody up.

    20. YEYves Edwards42:00

        Yeah. Yeah, I think-

    21. JRJoe Rogan42:00

        That makes sense.

    22. YEYves Edwards42:02

        I think that's him. But yeah, that, that movie, um, they were talking about that then and I'm like, you know... And then 2001 was when, um, Jobs came out with the... Yeah, that's him.

    23. NANarrator42:13

        That's the one.

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:14

        Oh, no, no, no. Is, is he Loki from the-

    25. NANarrator42:15

        No, sorry, he's someone but I, I, I just made somebody up but...

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:18

        He's from Prometheus.

    27. NANarrator42:19

        Okay, there you go, there you go.

    28. JRJoe Rogan42:19

        He's the robot in the Prometheus and Alien series.

    29. NANarrator42:22

        Yeah, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        He's the, uh... Yeah, that guy's excellent.
11. 46:13 – 50:59

    Internet toxicity, anonymity, and why consequences matter

    1. YEYves Edwards46:13

       I used to love the underground, man.

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       It was great back in the day.

    3. YEYves Edwards46:16

       I was like, having my, like, I had the O ... What? I th- think I have double Os, you know what I mean?

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Yeah.

    5. YEYves Edwards46:22

       Like, being-

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       (laughs)

    7. YEYves Edwards46:23

       ... being from back then, you know?

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       Yeah.

    9. YEYves Edwards46:24

       Um, or maybe even a 90, like, they, at some point they just gave you the number, they-

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:28

        I was on in the 90s.

    11. YEYves Edwards46:29

        Same here.

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:30

        Yeah.

    13. YEYves Edwards46:30

        So like, I don't know if my thing says 99 or double O. I still sign in every once in a while.

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:35

        Just to check in?

    15. YEYves Edwards46:36

        Just to check in. Uh-

    16. JRJoe Rogan46:37

        So much toxic conversation.

    17. YEYves Edwards46:40

        (sighs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:40

        But that's just the internet in general. There's still a lot of good d- discussions on the underground. Li- I think last time I was on was about a month ago, I went and checked, I was like, "Hmm." Like, there was some, especially there was some good jujitsu talk. There was, uh, some good technique talk about l- l- like leg locks and- and, you know, and whether or not there's gonna be, uh, a transition from leg locks because everybody's ... the leg lock game sort of overtook jujitsu, whether or not it was going to, uh, switch to choking or when the- someone's ... like, whether it's gonna, there's gonna be a new trend because leg lock defense is so good now. And I'm like, I appreciate that. I appreciate when people are like devoted practitioners and they're really discussing technique and disc- but when it's like, "This guy's a pussy and he fucking sucks," and, you know, "Ronda Rousey's a fucking bitch," and like, oh God.

    19. YEYves Edwards47:27

        That's all I ... Dude, there's so much of that on the internet, it's hard to-

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:30

        Hmm.

    21. YEYves Edwards47:30

        ... um, to filter through that to find-

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        No.

    23. YEYves Edwards47:32

        ... some good conversation sometimes.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:34

        (smacks lips) Yeah, it's like, in your life, you would avoid people like that like the plague. Like if there was a guy in your life that wanted your phone number and all he does is complain about things and have stupid theories, you'd be like, "Get this guy the fuck away from me." Right?

    25. YEYves Edwards47:47

        Yeah. Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:47

        But you can't avoid them online.

    27. YEYves Edwards47:50

        Yeah, no, online ... That's the thing, that a- n- that, you know, being anonymous on the internet, that's-

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        (laughs)

    29. YEYves Edwards47:56

        ... just, that's some power for some people, man.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:58

        Sure.
12. 50:59 – 56:29

    Bare-knuckle reality, fight damage, and dangerous matchmaking (Sage vs. Cosmo)

    1. YEYves Edwards50:59

       I didn't watch. I didn't ... I, I don't know. I can't, I can't bring myself to watch the bare knuckle boxing.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:04

       I'll tell you what, man. It changed my opinion. I was thinking for a long time that MMA done correctly, you'd have bare knuckles, because I was like, "Why you got bare shins and bare knees and bare elbows, but you have your knuckles padded up? That doesn't make any sense." But now I see all the cuts, like Chris-

    3. YEYves Edwards51:18

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       ... Leben, his face was just opened up, man. I was like, "That is just ..." I don't wanna see people take unnecessarily cuts that way, because then that scar tissue opens up-

    5. YEYves Edwards51:29

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:29

       ... and then it shortens their careers, stops fights. (smacks lips) I don't wanna see that.

    7. YEYves Edwards51:33

       And also breaking hands.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:34

       Mm-hmm.

    9. YEYves Edwards51:35

       I mean, like, I, like I'm ... That's why I don't wanna watch it. I, I'm not a big fan of cuts. Remember, um, Marvin Eastman and Vitor Belfort?

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:42

        Oh.

    11. YEYves Edwards51:42

        I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't ... Like, you know?

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:44

        Yeah, horrific.

    13. YEYves Edwards51:45

        I wa- ... I, I wanna show you something.

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:48

        Okay.

    15. YEYves Edwards51:49

        That's, like ... You, you, when you ... Do you see ... When you see those gory videos, does that really throw you?

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        No.

    17. YEYves Edwards51:54

        Like ... Okay, so I'm gonna show you something and it's horrible, right? But, um ... Oh, crap.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:58

        What is it?

    19. YEYves Edwards51:59

        Um, it's a video. It's a video of, of ... I don't even know how to explain it. I don't wanna, I don't wanna tell you what it is until you see it-

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:08

        Okay.

    21. YEYves Edwards52:08

        ... because it is so graphic.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:10

        Is it a fight video? Or-

    23. YEYves Edwards52:11

        It's not a fight video. It's just something gory.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:14

        Okay.

    25. YEYves Edwards52:15

        You wanna see some gore?

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:16

        Sure, yeah.

    27. YEYves Edwards52:16

        All right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:17

        Show me.

    29. YEYves Edwards52:18

        I keep-

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:19

        Mm.
13. 56:29 – 1:17:17

    Developing fighters and the PFL model: tournaments, points, and million-dollar stakes

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:29

       Well, he didn't have... I mean, I guess he didn't have to take the fight. I don't know h- I, I, I should say I don't know how they do their matchmaking. I don't know if it's like... Like the UFC kind of forces fights on people, right? They let you know, like, "You take this fight or, you know, we're probably not gonna call you."

    2. YEYves Edwards56:43

       You're not gonna win it. Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:44

       Yeah. I mean, it's up to you, but if you want a career in the UFC, you take fights when you get 'em. But like, when you see fighters in boxing, they get... If a, they have a really good manager, they, the manager knows who the guy you're gonna fight is and says, "Okay, Yves, this guy is good, but you can beat him. And this is what I like about this style. He's gonna, he's gonna challenge you in a couple areas, but overall you're a better fighter than y- than him. But it'll give you a challenge, and we're trying to build your record up to get you a title shot." And, you know, maybe you'd be 9 and 0, 10 and 0, 11 and 0, 12 and 0. And then, you know, you get to a certain level and they go, "Okay, we're ready to fight for a title." And then it would be this big promotion, "Yves Edwards, you know, 17 and 0, you know, 16 knockouts," and it shows your highlight reel.

    4. YEYves Edwards57:29

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:29

       Like, this is something that m- big management. This is the reason why it's, it exists in boxing.

    6. YEYves Edwards57:35

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:35

       It's actually smart, 'cause it's a part of the development of a fighter. For every Jon Jones that could just step into the octagon at 21 years old and start fucking people up, there's so many young fighters that could be world champions, but then they run into elite competition early in their career and get fucked up, and then they, th- th- their dream kind of drifts away from them.

    8. YEYves Edwards57:58

       Yeah, if fear gets put in, put in them early.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:00

       Yep. Yep.

    10. YEYves Edwards58:01

        That's, that's a problem.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:02

        And unnecessarily, in my, in my opinion.

    12. YEYves Edwards58:05

        Yeah, I agree. Um, and that's, that's the thing about guys getting into the UFC really early in their career. Like, that-

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:13

        Mm-hmm.

    14. YEYves Edwards58:13

        That's everybody's goal.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:14

        Yeah.

    16. YEYves Edwards58:14

        Virtually every fighter on the planet, that's where they wanna be. That's the most recognized belt. That's, that's the belt that everybody considers the, uh, the highest ranked belt, right? So, that's where everybody wants to get. And getting there with two or three fights under your ra- under your belt, um, it's exciting but, like, you don't... Y- y- you're, you're in the wolf's den now.

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:34

        Yeah, it's not smart. Everybody wants to say they're a UFC fighter, but it, uh, really isn't smart. The smart way to do it is to fight on the regional circuit, train at a really good gym, and develop yourself. Get to a point-

    18. YEYves Edwards58:46

        Brian Ortega.

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:47

        Yeah.

    20. YEYves Edwards58:48

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        Yeah. I mean, there's... Look, look what Marlon Moraes did, you know?

    22. YEYves Edwards58:51

        Yep.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:51

        When he was, before PFL, when it was the World Series of Fighting-

    24. YEYves Edwards58:54

        World Series.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:55

        ... psh, he was fucking everybody up over there and we were watching him-

    26. YEYves Edwards58:58

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:58

        ... going, "How would this guy fare against world-class competition?" And then you get, get him to the UFC, you go, "Okay, well this guy's the real deal."

    28. YEYves Edwards59:05

        Yeah, he's right there.

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:06

        He's the real deal. But he, it took all those years in smaller shows, and to build up that sort of skillset, and that confidence and experience.

    30. YEYves Edwards59:14

        There's a lot of, a lot of good guys that came through there, like Gaethje, you know?

Episode duration: 2:38:22