JRE MMA Show #71 with Rico Verhoeven

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   And boom. Right when…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      And boom. Right when you take a drink of water, that's when we go live, always. (laughs)

   2. RVRico Verhoeven0:05

      That's when we go live, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      What's up, my friend?

   4. RVRico Verhoeven0:07

      I'm good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you. Good to see you.

   6. RVRico Verhoeven0:09

      Yeah. Thanks for having me, bro.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      My pleasure. I'm a big fan. I've been a fan for a long time.

   8. RVRico Verhoeven0:12

      Thank you so much.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      And I'm very excited about this Badr Hari rematch.

   10. RVRico Verhoeven0:14

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       So w- we were just talking about it.

   12. RVRico Verhoeven0:16

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       That's gonna be in December.

   14. RVRico Verhoeven0:17

       Yes, sir.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Yeah.

   16. RVRico Verhoeven0:18

       It's gonna be huge. It's, uh, I think it's, uh, gonna be the biggest fight in kickboxing history.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       I think it's already.

   18. RVRico Verhoeven0:23

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       I mean, you were just saying that, that tickets go on pre-sale today, I think?

   20. RVRico Verhoeven0:27

       Yeah, today or tomorrow or something, so.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   22. RVRico Verhoeven0:29

       Um ...

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Where is it gonna be held? Is it in Holland?

   24. RVRico Verhoeven0:32

       It, uh ... Yeah, it's gonna be in Holland, yeah, so-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Where at?

   26. RVRico Verhoeven0:34

       Um, it's called the Gelredome and it-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       How many seats is that?

   28. RVRico Verhoeven0:39

       I believe around 25,000, 30,000.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Wow.

   30. RVRico Verhoeven0:44

       So that's huge.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   No. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      for a long time.

   2. RVRico Verhoeven15:01

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      And then he fought you.

   4. RVRico Verhoeven15:02

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Yeah.

   6. RVRico Verhoeven15:04

      Yeah, so the thing was everybody was, uh... I was beating everybody. I was champion and I was beating everybody. People said, "Yeah, Rico's good. He's the champion, but he hasn't fought Badr." I was like, "Hey, if he w-" So our national television said, "Hey, if he wants to fight, let's go."

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      But he had been dealing with a bunch of legal trouble. He went to jail.

   8. RVRico Verhoeven15:24

      Yes, he had a lot of problems, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      He broke someone's leg in a club.

   10. RVRico Verhoeven15:27

       Yeah, a lot, a lot of shit, so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Yeah. Crazy shit.

   12. RVRico Verhoeven15:29

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       There's a video of him slapping some guy's face at a, at a-

   14. RVRico Verhoeven15:32

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       ... in a hotel.

   16. RVRico Verhoeven15:33

       Yeah. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       (laughs) Imagine that guy slapping your face. You're some poor dude-

   18. RVRico Verhoeven15:36

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       ... working behind a counter.

   20. RVRico Verhoeven15:38

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Badr comes in like, "Yikes."

   22. RVRico Verhoeven15:40

       Yikes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       (laughs)

   24. RVRico Verhoeven15:40

       Yeah. "Do whatever you want."

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       (laughs) "Here, take the keys here." (laughs)

   26. RVRico Verhoeven15:44

       Yeah. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       "Which room would you like?"

   28. RVRico Verhoeven15:45

       "The hotel, the hotel is yours." (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       Yeah.

   30. RVRico Verhoeven15:47

       So, so yeah, he had a bunch of problems, but then the- eventually, the fight happened because that's the fight that people wanted to see.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. RVRico Verhoeven30:00

      ... When I see I'm gonna make a full hit, try to keep it back just a little bit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. RVRico Verhoeven30:06

      So I think, yeah, but just being controlled, I think it's very important. So I train with all the guys, all the heavyweight guys from Glory, I trained with, with and of course you do hard sparring, but we do not ... I, I ... From my point of view, I don't, don't wanna injure them.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Right. Yeah, I mean, it only makes sense. I mean, that's one of the most valuable things, right, is to have high level training partners.

   5. RVRico Verhoeven30:27

      Exactly.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      And if guys think you're gonna put 'em to sleep all the time, they're not really interested in sparring with you.

   7. RVRico Verhoeven30:32

      No. For example, I trained with Benny Adigbui. He's like the number two and number three in Glory. And-I fought him twice, but we trained together. He's now at my gym and I try to make him better. I say, "Hey, you try this, try that." And, uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Because if he's better, you're better.

   9. RVRico Verhoeven30:50

      Exactly.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Yeah.

   11. RVRico Verhoeven30:50

       And people are like, "No, no, no, I don't wanna train with competition because then they know what I'm gonna do." That's true, but you also know what they're doing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       (laughs)

   13. RVRico Verhoeven30:58

       So it just depends on how you approach things.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       Right.

   15. RVRico Verhoeven31:01

       Uh, every negative thing has a positive thing at it as well. So that's... I really always... I'm always looking at the positive things and always try to surround myself with peop- people that are positive. And yeah, that's, that's the vibe that I'm, I'm going with because that's what works.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       Well, that's also the mark of a confident fighter. Like, you know that you're the best. So if you help him, he's just gonna help you become even better than you are currently.

   17. RVRico Verhoeven31:26

       Yeah, but you gotta be... You gotta be comfortable with that because you also see a lot of guys that are like, "Hey, no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna help that guy. I'm not gonna tell him whatever, because this is not gonna be good for me." But in the end, everybody that gets better can help me get better as well.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Right.

   19. RVRico Verhoeven31:45

       So I always put... position myself as, as a sponge, trying to get as much info in, in wherever I am. So for example, I'm now really going into acting. I want to, I want to act. So, uh, now Kevin was on your show as well.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Kevin Hart?

   21. RVRico Verhoeven32:02

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Yeah. So... I saw you were training with him.

   23. RVRico Verhoeven32:04

       Yeah. So it was a lot of fun.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       The first kick he ever threw, he threw with you. (laughs)

   25. RVRico Verhoeven32:07

       Yeah. So it was crazy. It was pretty...

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       He's a great guy, isn't he?

   27. RVRico Verhoeven32:10

       Yeah, he's such a good guy. But so s- so much positivity and he has such a great vibe and he's such a great mentor. And I was just sitting there, we were talking, and like I said, I would just position myself as a sponge.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Hmm.

   29. RVRico Verhoeven32:25

       I was just trying to get as much information in there as possible. And yeah, now I've been... I'm, uh, I'm here now in LA for about a month now. I've been training with, with Mark Wahlberg and also the same thing, just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       And Anthony Hardonk is here.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   That's a lot of…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      a lot of weight.

   2. RVRico Verhoeven45:00

      That's a lot of weight on your joints-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Yeah.

   4. RVRico Verhoeven45:02

      ... constantly, the pressure. And so, but in the end, how much I hate it does the... It, it works for me because it's also, for me, a mental training, because I hate it so much.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Mm-hmm.

   6. RVRico Verhoeven45:17

      And I jump on the treadmill or I go outside and I just run. "Come on, come on."

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      (laughs)

   8. RVRico Verhoeven45:23

      You gotta keep going. You gotta keep going, because when you get... You have that feeling, like, 90% of the people would stop.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      Hmm.

   10. RVRico Verhoeven45:32

       See? But you're not that person. You gotta keep going and that's what, that's what motivates me, just to do things different than everybody else does.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Being comfortable being uncomfortable.

   12. RVRico Verhoeven45:43

       Yes, exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Yeah, yeah. The grind.

   14. RVRico Verhoeven45:45

       The grind is... I think that's the moment when it, when it starts.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Mm-hmm.

   16. RVRico Verhoeven45:49

       When you get that feeling, shit is gonna hurt, your body starts hurting, and that's when, like, a lot of people give up, and that's where we, as champions, we continue.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       It's interesting too, because a lot of fighters, they'll do all sorts of high-intensity training and interval training and all these different plyometrics and cardio and, and different things. But many of them will tell you that one of the more important things is just long-range running.

   18. RVRico Verhoeven46:16

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Because when you do this long-distance running, when you run five, six, seven miles, when you do that, you develop this cardio base-

   20. RVRico Verhoeven46:24

       Yeah, just doing-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       ... where you, you can just keep working and you recover faster.

   22. RVRico Verhoeven46:28

       Yeah, exactly.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       And it's just... I mean, that's one of the things that... If you go back and look at old-time fighters, you know, back to Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, all those guys-

   24. RVRico Verhoeven46:36

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       ... everybody ran.

   26. RVRico Verhoeven46:36

       Everybody did.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       Rocky Marciano. Everybody ran.

   28. RVRico Verhoeven46:38

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       It wasn't an option.

   30. RVRico Verhoeven46:40

       No.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:44

   What else do you…

   1. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:00

      you know, and hmm, stuff like that. So that's how we try to do that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      What else do you do for recovery? Do you do any cryotherapy-

   3. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:06

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      ... or things on those lines?

   5. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:07

      Yeah. So I've been starting that, like, one and a half year ago or something. And it works. I like it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Do you do, um, do you do ice baths or, like, how do you ... H- what do you do?

   7. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:18

      No. I just do literally the cryo-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      Oh, the, those-

   9. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:21

      ... the, the, the machines.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       Oh, so like nitro- uh, frozen ...

   11. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Yeah.

   13. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:25

       Yeah. So I did like, uh, two different, uh, in Holland now it's re- really starting to, to, to, to be a hype. So now they got-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       Yeah.

   15. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:32

       ... like, uh, different, uh, places. Uh, but-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Do you go on the one that is from the neck down or the one that gets your whole body in there?

   17. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:39

       Yeah, so f- first I started with the, with the one with the, with the-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       The neck down?

   19. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:44

       ... the neck down.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       The whole body's the better one, though, right?

   21. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:45

       Yeah. So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       There's a place out here, uh, Cryotherapy. It's the fucking shit.

   23. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:48

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       I love it.

   25. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:49

       Yeah, it's nice.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       It's 240 degrees below zero-

   27. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:51

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       ... and you just get in there for three minutes. You motherfucker.

   29. RVRico Verhoeven1:00:53

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       Motherfucker.

Episode duration: 1:20:15