JRE MMA Show #73 with Jean Jacques Machado

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (claps) Boom. And we're…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (claps) Boom. And we're live. Jean Jacques!

   2. JMJean Jacques Machado0:06

      Joe Hogan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      (laughs)

   4. JMJean Jacques Machado0:08

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Pull, pull this up. Pull this up, like a... Right?

   6. JMJean Jacques Machado0:10

      It's, it's, uh, been quite some time, but, uh, we made it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Yeah, we made it. We made it happen.

   8. JMJean Jacques Machado0:15

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      People still, to this day, all my friends call me Joe Hogan, because of you.

   10. JMJean Jacques Machado0:19

       Uh, I don't know, man. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Joe Hogan! That's a funny Brazilian thing, you know? The Portuguese translation of Rs to Hs.

   12. JMJean Jacques Machado0:26

       I think, I think when we speak English, you have to use your tongue in a way that, in Portuguese, we are just flat out. And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       But you use Rio. You don't say Hill, right? Do you say Hill?

   14. JMJean Jacques Machado0:37

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Or Rio?

   16. JMJean Jacques Machado0:37

       Rio. Rio.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       How's that work?

   18. JMJean Jacques Machado0:39

       Some how, the... It's, it's... In Portuguese, the first two letters are the strongest one in the word.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       But, but Rickson and Royce and...

   20. JMJean Jacques Machado0:48

       Say Hick-son.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Right. But it's, but it's not Rickson, but it's Rio.

   22. JMJean Jacques Machado0:52

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       How's that work?

   24. JMJean Jacques Machado0:53

       It's... I don't know. When it comes to a name, it's different than when you say a city name.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Oh, really?

   26. JMJean Jacques Machado0:57

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Oh.

   28. JMJean Jacques Machado0:59

       It's funny. Rio, it's more something for... And when you say personal, it becomes a little, I don't know. Hick-son.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       So with people-

   30. JMJean Jacques Machado1:08

       Royce.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. JMJean Jacques Machado15:00

      changed their life. And coincidentally, one of the students happens to be son of the biggest lawyer in California, and we have no idea. 'Cause we end up getting sued by one side of the family, then we have no money, we turn to these students and say-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Right.

   3. JMJean Jacques Machado15:17

      ... "Guys, uh, I'm sorry, we're gonna have to leave."

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      So you thought you were gonna close down the school?

   5. JMJean Jacques Machado15:21

      Oh, yeah. Then we had this guy which his father was very grateful to us. Show up, say, "Look, I'm this hotshot lawyer, I can represent you guys." Like, "We don't have money to pay." "No, you guys are ready, I owe you because my son was saved by you guys." "And who is your son?" And his son was training with us for quite some time, became very good in jiu-jitsu, changed his life around. He was a drug-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JMJean Jacques Machado15:45

      ... addict, now he's a, one of the best yoga instructors out there.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      A jiu-jitsu addict.

   9. JMJean Jacques Machado15:50

      There we go.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       A lot of those.

   11. JMJean Jacques Machado15:50

       And changed his life, and that lawyer protect us, made sure that we stay here fine, protect, and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       That's great.

   13. JMJean Jacques Machado15:57

       And that was on the past. Today, for all our families, we have our difference back then and...

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       It's less now.

   15. JMJean Jacques Machado16:02

       Oh, it's, it's nothing now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Well, there's enough for everybody now. I think everybody realizes. In the beginning, jiu-jitsu was so new and so powerful, and that Gracie name was so huge. Do you remember when Vitor? They used to call him Vitor Gracie.

   17. JMJean Jacques Machado16:14

       Yes.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       They would call him Victor for some reason. It was Victor, V-I-C-T-O-R, and then it became Vitor. Like, I was there when they were calling him Victor Gracie.

   19. JMJean Jacques Machado16:24

       Man, do you know the amazing thing and I, as a fighter, and, uh, in my generation in Brazil, everybody wants to be part of the family.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Of course.

   21. JMJean Jacques Machado16:33

       Everybody wants to feel that you in that big circle because there's so much history and it's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       The name is so huge.

   23. JMJean Jacques Machado16:38

       I think in August, August 12th at your birthday, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       August 11th.

   25. JMJean Jacques Machado16:43

       August 11th.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       Yeah.

   27. JMJean Jacques Machado16:43

       They're gonna have, uh, a statue of, uh, Carson Gracie-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Uh-huh.

   29. JMJean Jacques Machado16:47

       ... being in Copacabana rib. I mean, a lot of recognitions happen now, but jiu-jitsu, and especially the Gracie jiu-jitsu, 'cause-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Be more aware of…

   1. JMJean Jacques Machado30:00

      regardless.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Be more aware of yourself.

   3. JMJean Jacques Machado30:02

      Exactly.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yeah. More primal.

   5. JMJean Jacques Machado30:05

      And, um, and also-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      A- also, the s- the struggle of Jiu-Jitsu is so much different than what most people experience on a daily basis, where you're literally...... trying to stop someone from choking you. And it's a friend, like a good friend. Like you, you, you love them like a brother.

   7. JMJean Jacques Machado30:21

      Maybe a best friend. Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:21

      Yeah, but they're trying to choke the shit out of you, (laughs) and you're trying to stop them.

   9. JMJean Jacques Machado30:25

      And the amazing thing, you're trying to stop, and you don't get mad at him.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Not at all. Not any-

   11. JMJean Jacques Machado30:28

       You say, "Thank you, man. You-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Slap hands, and then I say, "How'd you get me?" Like, "Oh, you forgot this." Like, "Oh, God."

   13. JMJean Jacques Machado30:35

       Here we go. Is there any-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Yeah.

   15. JMJean Jacques Machado30:36

       It's, it's the amazing thing. One student said something like, "Do you know why jiu jitsu people are so friendly? Because they hug each other all the time."

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       (laughs)

   17. JMJean Jacques Machado30:43

       (laughs) And, uh, you are right. (laughs) I think you're right. I think you're right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       For sure. There's something to that.

   19. JMJean Jacques Machado30:47

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Yeah. Well, there's so much physical contact.

   21. JMJean Jacques Machado30:49

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       That, that is true. There's something to that.

   23. JMJean Jacques Machado30:51

       But I think it's the, the eye contact, the, the talking to each other.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JMJean Jacques Machado30:55

       And then, um, in that exchange of information.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       It's also humbling, which I think people need. I think people have a distorted perception of what they can do in this life, and I think sometimes you need to understand, this is where you are. And when... One of the beautiful things about the ranking system of jiu jitsu is, you know, when you give someone a purple belt, you, you say, "Hey, this is real. You're ready for this. I've seen you, I watched you. I know, and you know 100% where they are. They're ready to get a purple belt." And then, it, it's this feeling like, "Okay, the all this showing up day after day, drilling after drilling, coming in when I don't want to, this is paying off and I've, I've reached a new place."

   27. JMJean Jacques Machado31:35

       It's always like, uh, when you promote someone, it's a flashback. They go back like, "Whoa."

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Yeah.

   29. JMJean Jacques Machado31:40

       They realize all this time they are bringing, in a very good way, suffering, going through this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JMJean Jacques Machado45:00

      him down.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Right.

   3. JMJean Jacques Machado45:01

      And most of the things that we do in the Jiu-Jitsu, on the what we see in the sport Jiu-Jitsu today, we're not gonna use in a real fight. Most of the Jiu-Jitsu seen at tournament, we're not gonna use that in a fight.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Hm.

   5. JMJean Jacques Machado45:16

      That's the difference from that generation of the '80s to the generations from the '90s until up today. It's two different kinds of, uh, Jiu-Jitsu. One is a sport which is very beautiful, a lot of people, they do amazing techniques, but the rules of the sport had the tendency to take to another direction. And when you have the Jiu-Jitsu as the '80s, we practice using a lot of leverage with the arms, patience. And when we play guard in the '80s, it's different than we play today. Today, you have a lot of gis wrapping around everything.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:52

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JMJean Jacques Machado45:52

      The gi became a weapon.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:53

      Right.

   9. JMJean Jacques Machado45:54

      In our time, the gi was never weapon. The gi was like almost like a paper.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Right.

   11. JMJean Jacques Machado45:58

       We use a lot the neck, a lot the elbow. The-

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Well, that's what helped you when you transitioned to NoGi, right?

   13. JMJean Jacques Machado46:04

       Oh, definitely. It's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And also because you were born with no fingers on your left hand.

   15. JMJean Jacques Machado46:07

       Man, it was no d- for me and ch- today, there's no difference.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Right.

   17. JMJean Jacques Machado46:10

       I play exactly the same in both.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Right.

   19. JMJean Jacques Machado46:13

       No difference at all.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       But you were all over hooks and underhooks and, and grips around the body. And whereas the guys who transitioned to MMA, and they're all game relied on grabbing collars and sleeves, those guys had a harder time.

   21. JMJean Jacques Machado46:28

       For sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       Yeah.

   23. JMJean Jacques Machado46:29

       A lot of guys, that's why a lot of guys that trying to come in, they might be good on their top games, but when they go on their back-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       Yes.

   25. JMJean Jacques Machado46:36

       ... they are kind of a little lost until the end-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Especially big guys, right?

   27. JMJean Jacques Machado46:40

       Yeah, on how to play the game.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       Yeah, that's why it's so impo- impressive when you see a big guy who also has a great back, a l- great off his back like Fabricio Werdum.

   29. JMJean Jacques Machado46:51

       I, I think if you notice is, if I'm on the bottom of someone, and I'm flat, I'm a target.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   That's right, Hugo Duarte…

   1. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      That's right, Hugo Duarte went on to fight in Pride. He fought Tank Abbott, right?

   3. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:04

      Man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      He fought some different people in MMA.

   5. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:06

      I, I remember that day was so funny because, um, it have a point on the beach in Rio that is, it's where most of the Jiu-Jitsu, it's whe- where the pretty girls were. And all the guys will go there to session the beach, very famous people. And then everybody will go in that session. And I'm, we keep hearing that Hugo challenged Rickson, Hugo challenged Rickson, Hugo challenged Rickson.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Here it is right here.

   7. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:30

      There we go.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      Smacked him in the face.

   9. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:32

      Then, and Rickson was like, "No, he didn't say anything," and I'm right there, see him walking right there in, uh, light shorts there. My mission were, uh, Rickson look at, boom, look at me and say, "Hey, watch my back."

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Where were you?

   11. JMJean Jacques Machado1:00:46

       I'm the one, okay, I'm off of the screen now, right on, on my left. You're gonna see me standing there then. Oh, you can, right, if, if I get up, I can show you. I can point this thing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       So what, what year is this? What year is this?

   13. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:00

       Man, sometime in the '80s. And do you know who's filming that? We have, um...... high in Gracie. He was sitting, uh, someone shoulders with a camera.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       It's crazy to try to see.

   15. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:13

       Oh, no, man. I, I was getting-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       So many bodies, it's-

   17. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:16

       I was getting-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       ... nuts.

   19. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:16

       ... I was getting punched in the head, on the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       (laughs)

   21. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:19

       ... back just 'cause I was watching Ricksons.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       But everybody didn't s- jump in, you know?

   23. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:24

       No, no, no. What we did was we made a circle, arms to arms. And, uh, I-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       And Rickson's the one with the green shorts, right? Green stripe?

   25. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:33

       Yes. And he had a long hair that day, which the guy grab his hair.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       It doesn't look like his hair is that long.

   27. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:38

       Oh, no. He, it's a ponytail there.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       Really?

   29. JMJean Jacques Machado1:01:41

       Yeah. I have a-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       I knew he had a ponytail from a lot of g- oh, see now. You see Rickson mounting him.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:08

   Hm. …

   1. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:00

      make the level of my students higher 'cause they have a lot of energy-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

      Hm.

   3. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:03

      ... and they are good too. It makes more challenge for myself to train with them 'cause I don't have, okay, I'm, my energy... Now I have to purely use the techniques, the jiu-jitsu. The techniques has, must be on time. I intentionally do that, get that tired, to make a good training for me. And that's what I've been doing now. I show up and they don't know and, "Hey, let's go and train." Then, uh, I can tell. It's like, "Man, I should rest before train these guys today." (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

      (laughs)

   5. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:33

      I don't know if he's getting there good. I'm too tired." Everything's at the same time. Next week, I'm not gonna do that again.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:39

      So when you do it, uh, twice a week, how do you mix it up? Like, what, what kind of training are you doing?

   7. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:44

      I work, uh, one, one day legs and lower upper body, and it's another day upper body.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:50

      That's it?

   9. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:50

      Always. Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       Yeah. So it's just to make you stronger?

   11. JMJean Jacques Machado1:15:53

       Just to keep the joints healthy and evidently feel the muscles. I think it's important for... It's like prevent injuries.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:01

       Yes.

   13. JMJean Jacques Machado1:16:01

       That's the main thing.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:02

       Yeah.

   15. JMJean Jacques Machado1:16:03

       And I've been using a lot the Iron Neck stuff. Remember the guy from the Iron Neck? He sent it to me, that equipment?

Episode duration: 1:37:38