The Joe Rogan ExperienceJRE MMA Show #75 with Dan Hardy
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150 min read · 30,026 words- 0:00 – 2:49
Capturing ideas on the fly: notes, voice memos, and “driving-zone” creativity
- DHDan Hardy
... who'll might bring notes.
- JRJoe Rogan
No. Sometimes you remember things. Boom, and we're live. Sometimes, like you, uh, y- I have to remember things.
- DHDan Hardy
Ah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Duh. Like, if there's a thought that popped in my head or something I just forgot, I, I need to write things down. Too many ideas just slip away.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They slip away.
- DHDan Hardy
But one thing you said a while ago, which I've tried to start using, are the voice memos on my phone, and I'm not very good at it. You say you record straight into your phone all the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. It's really good. Yeah, it's really good.
- DHDan Hardy
I'm, I'm trying to make it fun. I've got, like, an old school Elvis microphone and, like, a 1950s style cord into an old recorder, and I'm trying to use that a bit more because we were talking about Hunter S. Thompson.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DHDan Hardy
I like the idea of recording stuff as I'm moving-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
... but it's, it's a habit I'm not getting into right now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the, uh, I think recording anything, like, when you have an idea that you go, "Goddammit, this is a good idea." Like, grab it.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Grab it.
- DHDan Hardy
There you go.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it was Neal Brennan said it best, that he looks at his notebook like a net for catching ideas.
- DHDan Hardy
I like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
I love that.
- DHDan Hardy
Why am I always driving, though? I'm always driving.
- JRJoe Rogan
Always. Always. 'Cause I think when you're in the zone, like, you're driving, there's something about th- like... You, you know how sometimes you could be, like, miles away and you're like, "How the fuck did I get here?"
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you're sober.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. That's terrifying.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you're driving and you're like, "How did I drive miles? I, I, I evidently changed lanes."
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"I, you know, I know where I'm going. Everything was in- inside the lanes, but I was- I'm barely there."
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
"What is that?"
- 2:49 – 5:22
Are ideas living things? From inspiration to collective consciousness
- JRJoe Rogan
I couldn't remember exactly how it was worded, but it's like, yeah, that thing, like, ideas are strange, man. I, I entertained for a while the idea that ideas were life forms, that because, uh, we don't think of them... Like, look, there's a lot of different life forms, right? I mean, there's squids and there's chimps and there's barracudas and there's hawks. There's a lot of different life forms. There's insects. I mean, there's a lot of different ones.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
What if that's what ideas were, and that what they're doing is just making their way... And the more you nourish them, the more they grow. The more you pay attention to them, the more they, they propagate your, uh, your head with new ideas. And, and then you take action on those ideas and it creates everything the world's ever seen that humans have created. All that stuff comes from ideas. Everything. From cars to buildings to planes, all that comes from ideas. 100% of it. But yet we don't even think about what the ideas are. Like, what the fuck is that? You just get some random new way of looking at things. What is happening? Is this just pure calculation or are you interacting with some sneaky little influencer that wants to give you credit for it?
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, "God, Dan Hardy, you're so smart with these ideas. You should... You know what you should do? You should build that building."
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And then you're like, "I'm gonna build this fucking building."
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"And I'm gonna write 'Hardy' right on the side of it, goddammit." And you do it all in gold. Like, where is that coming from? And people go, "Oh, the ego. Oh, the, you know, men and their toxic masculinity and, and their desire for building things." Maybe, or maybe ideas made that dude build that thing.
- DHDan Hardy
Maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe ideas were so clever the way they got you and talked to you like a siren pulling you into the rocks. "Come on, Dan Hardy."
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Build that fucking building."
- DHDan Hardy
I'm into it.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you go and do it.
- DHDan Hardy
I'm into it. Are you a s- subscriber to the idea that ideas are collective? So when you have an idea, s- that of, that idea is available to other people in the world if they're tuned in to be able to collect that idea?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it's entirely possible that a lot of people are thinking exactly the same way you think when you're thinking it.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that there's a lot of fucking people thinking right now, and there's a lot of sharing information through podcasts and, and Twitter and Facebook and, you know, YouTube videos and all the different things that people are doing. And it, uh, it's not outside the realm of possibility that we share some sort of common thread psychically, you know, that there's some connection that we have with each other. We know we like to be around each other, right? Like, logically.
- 5:22 – 8:27
Social energy, loneliness, and early childhood programming
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm not talking woo-woo. People like to be around each other. When you hear someone talk about, "Oh, I'm just a loner. I wanna be by myself." Like, that's a fucked up person. Like, (laughs) most people... I mean, not for a little bit of time, for a reset, miss your friends. Yeah, that's wonderful. That's a good idea. It's probably really healthy. But, like, s- those people that are like, them Ted Kaczynski type dudes who just wanna just move to the middle of nowhere and by themselves and be a fucking nomad, like, hmm, why?
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Most of us don't want that. Most of us want to be around each other. Well, how come? Well, we feel good. It's like a little drug. We feel good around our friends and our loved ones. We could f- we feel good. Like, there's something happening here.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right?
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's an exchange of information.
- DHDan Hardy
Yes. But I, I, I have to manage that because I, uh, it, it exhausts me.You know what I mean? You, you did a, uh, two of the sp- the podcasts that you've done with Henry Rollins that I've listened to have just blown my mind.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's awesome.
- DHDan Hardy
And there are so many things that he says that are, it, that's ... He's my spirit animal, I think. There's a voice inside my head that is Henry Rollins and some of the things he says-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
... it just resonates with me. And the idea of being around people a lot of the time is just exhausting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DHDan Hardy
I like to be able to pull away and that's when I feel I'm at my best. For like four hours a day, I can give, like, a lot of energy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. No, you definitely need a balance of it, but you don't want to be completely absent of it. What it is, is, it's some, in some way or another we feed off of each other, good and bad, right? And good people, people that you enjoy being around, you feed off them in a very positive way and it's very fulfilling and addicting and you wanna do what they do and you wanna help each other and you all wanna, like, feed off of each other. You all wanna have this powerful community where you love each other. And then there's people that are super negative too, you know? And you, if you ... It's all about what kind of w- what kind, what kind of circles do you travel in? If you get fucked over as a child and you just get tossed into a bad circle really early on, that's one of the primary causes for life sucking, right? You're a kid and you're born in a shit situation with abusive people, abusive neighborhood, danger, crime. (exhales) Fuck, man.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right from the jump. Just fucked over.
- DHDan Hardy
Changes your perspective for life. Changes the way that you interact with people all the way through your life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
Because of, you know, yeah, those early beliefs.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy that so little is done to stop that. So little is done to mitigate that, in terms of, like, how much effort is put into trying to ensure that people are educated or, or, or, uh, somehow or another we ... It, there's no real what to explain to someone what it's like to be a parent till you're a parent.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You could talk about it till you're blue in the face, but if you're talking to crazy people y- you're never gonna know how good they are at it anyway. Like how, like if you take someone who's like a crazy, abusive person, what words could you ever say to that person to stop them from being crazy or abusive? Are there, is there a s- string of words that you can say where you could convey the way you feel about it in a way that would cause them to go, "Wow, I should probably stop being a piece of shit."
- 8:27 – 12:02
Psychedelics, memory ‘pit stops,’ and avoiding paralysis-by-analysis
- DHDan Hardy
I don't know. I, I think it's, you know, it's, uh, zero to six isn't it? It's those first six years is when you're, you know, when you develop patterns that influence you for the rest of your life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
It's like the programming that's embedded in you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
And, and like from that point on, all of the decisions you make, all of the relationships you develop, they're put through that filtration system of those first th- first six years of your life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
And, I mean, this is where psychedelics have, have helped me b- you know, be able to go back and, like, unpack some of that stuff and try and figure out what influenced me. And, and like, you know, memories that you, like, you bury down that you don't, you don't remember for the rest of your life, they'll, they'll influence decision-making all the way through your life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The, like, those ... There, and there's little memories that, li- little pit stops, like, that they, they, they exist no matter what you do. You could be in the middle of doing something and you go back to some weird regret you have-
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... from when you were 18, you go, "Ugh."
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"What were you doing there?"
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs) Do you, do you ever have those moments now though, where you ... There's a moment where you stop and you think, "That, that was a significant moment. Like, I've just experienced a, a significant moment in my life that's now gonna change the way that I think moving forward." Like, you must have a lot of those with conversations that you have.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Sometimes in the conversations. Yeah. Um, but I feel like if you've, if, if you think like that, like th- it's nice to think like that for a second, to like take that in, "Wow, that's pretty cool." But ultimately it doesn't do you any good. It's like recognizing that you're in this, uh, crazy moment, it's like y- you ... In many ways it's like paralysis by analysis. Like, you're like, "Oh my God, this is happening." And then you're just talking about it happening, but now it's not happening anymore because now you're just talking and now you've fallen into this, you know, it's ...
- DHDan Hardy
And it's passed-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... and you've missed the moment.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gotta appreciate it, talk, talk it through so you all, you all get it, whatever it was, whatever cool thing it was. But yeah, um, in terms of like the number of events that you see in your life that shape you and, and impact you in a way that make you reassess where you're at, like, as a person, like, and what life is like, those, uh, those are so critical. And if you don't have those, if you just have like this flat plane of nothing happening, going to the same job, I think that's what makes people fucking go crazy.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
M- more than almost any other aspect of this life, is just monotony and boredom and no, no thrills and no challenges and nothing makes you scared.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. Uh, and I think it's difficult to see that when you're in it though, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
I think, you know, I think we're both fortunate enough to be in a place ... And I was, I was with a good friend yesterday, Tim Hendricks, getting tattooed, and we were having the same, the same conversation. He's in a place where he's, he's in control of his life, you know? He's living in, in the place that he wants to live. He said he can walk his kids to school for the next 10 years. You know, he's, he works in the, the tattoo studio that he got his first professional tattoo in. Like, he's living his dream and he's got all these businesses that support what he's doing. And, uh, we're, we're in a, a similar situation as well, and, uh, I can see other people around me now that are caught in that monotony and they, they can't see it and they s- it's just s- it's so difficult to break that. Do you know what I mean? It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's so difficult. It's so easy to talk about once you broke through it. That's why concepts like the secret is such horse shit.
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's just because you made it doesn't mean, like, your mind make it-
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... made you make it. Like, there's a lot of variables, man. Like, it ... To say that you have your finger on the pulse of all the variables that were in charge of making you successful, that's so silly.
- 12:02 – 16:55
Why disciplined hardship matters: Goggins/Jocko fuel and the ‘spiritual value’ of hard work
- DHDan Hardy
You could be a life coach. What do you think about life coaches? They freak me out. How, how can someone coach your life?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, that ... Well, it depended upon how much personal experience they've had.
- DHDan Hardy
That's the problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Depen- that's completely dependent upon.
- DHDan Hardy
See, I'd want someone ancient if I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
... looking for a life coach. I'd want someone that was, like ... like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... at least 90. At least 90.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Yeah, someone with, like, a w- wartorn past and wrote poetry-
- DHDan Hardy
Fuck yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and climbed mountains-
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, that's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and killed sharks. (laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
Six or seven different lives. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. But it just, most people that are doing that, this is no disrespect because I think that some of 'em actually provide some legitimate fuel. Um, they give people some words that could encourage them. And even though they've never really accomplished anything, they're not necessarily doing anything negative 'cause they're propagating good ideas. They're, they're promoting healthy values and healthy ways to live life. But let's be honest, bitch, you ain't done shit. (laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it's weird. It's weird to be giving advice when you ain't done shit.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And some people have done things. Some people are legitimate, you know? Some people, uh, like Jocko Willink, you know, when that guy's giving motivational advice, you know who he is, you know what he's accomplished as a, as a Navy SEAL, as a martial artist. He's a, he's a f- he's the real deal. And when he talks to people and talks about discipline and, you know, establishing a core relationship between your squad and all the people you work with, like, he's ... You really believe it.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You buy it. It, it's why David Goggins works. You know that fucking savage is out there running right now (laughs) while, while we're talking, he's running down the street, "There's some people wanna keep you soft." He's running down the street making YouTube videos. He'll be out there for fucking five hours today-
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... just running. He's an animal.
- DHDan Hardy
Dude, I, I tell you, I'll be honest though, I was in Uruguay at the weekend and, like, jet lag took me out. It, it killed me. I don't know why. Normally I'm pretty good. I fast on the plane so I don't eat anything when I'm in the air, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's supposed to be a good trick, right?
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, it works really well. I started using it towards the end of my career. It's, uh, something about your circadian cycle and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 16:55 – 18:06
Training nostalgia and Dan’s new gym: Hardy Wallhead MMA
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. It's been a while since I've been in California now. I was actually reminiscing on some of those late night Legends sessions back in the day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Those were great, man.
- DHDan Hardy
Do you remember those days?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, those were great.
- DHDan Hardy
And I even took a drive past the place and I just, and it's, it's empty. There's nothing there now.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- DHDan Hardy
But I, I took a drive past it and I remember, like, we were in there till, like, 10:30, 11:00 at night.
- JRJoe Rogan
All the time.
- DHDan Hardy
The, the windows steamed up and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... they were good nights. Just that grind. I'm trying to bring that back 'cause I've just opened my own gym. Uh, Hardy Wallhead, it's, it's my dream. I've-
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice.
- DHDan Hardy
I wanted a place.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice. Where at?
- DHDan Hardy
Um, it's in the Midlands in Coalville n- near Leicestershire, like, 10 minutes from my house.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you have a website that people can get to?
- DHDan Hardy
Yep. hardywallheadmma.co.uk.
- JRJoe Rogan
Spell that out because you got an English accent, bro.
- DHDan Hardy
Oh, shit. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
Uh, H-A-R-D-Y, uh, W-A-L-L-H-E-A-D, uh, mma.co.uk.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you two guys teamed up together?
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, myself and Jimmy Wallhead.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice.
- DHDan Hardy
He's my, my, my longtime friend, training partner. So we've opened that down-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he's a famous UK MMA fighter.
- DHDan Hardy
He's a s- he's a thug.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a beast.
- DHDan Hardy
He's, he's beautiful.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So that's great, man. That's g- that's g- those old Legend days, man, th- it's one of those places where I'll drive by getting nostalgic. I'm like-
- 18:06 – 23:32
Sparring stories and striking durability: Vitor Belfort, hand conditioning, and Chris Leben
- DHDan Hardy
Y- y- my jaw still clicks from your side control pressure.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs) I, e- everyone always asks me, like, "What, so what, what's Joe's, uh, what's Joe's grappling like? Is it, like, loads of 10th Planet stuff?" I'm like, "Not really, no." He's like, "Fucking irons people out into the canvas with his, uh, with his shoulders and his, like, people don't get your strong top game." And I always think back to it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sorry, dude.
- DHDan Hardy
Like, "I gotta kick at ya."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not for me, man. If he-
- DHDan Hardy
Well, no, no. That was from Vitor Belfort.
- JRJoe Rogan
I saw that Carlos Condit fight.
- DHDan Hardy
That was from a Vi- ... Yeah, that one fucked me up.
- JRJoe Rogan
You got Vitor'd?
- DHDan Hardy
N- yeah. I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Vitor's ... You sparred with Vitor?
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, quite a bit I've sparred with Vitor.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why didn't you call me?
- DHDan Hardy
Wait. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like call me before you think about doing something (laughs) like that.
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm saying, are you fucking cr- let me play you a highlight reel. Get the fuck away from that guy.
- DHDan Hardy
He ripped me up. Fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, of course he did.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's terrifying.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
When was this?
- DHDan Hardy
That was, uh, Xtreme Couture. So when I was living here-
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ.
- DHDan Hardy
... I used to drive out to, uh, um ... I used to stay at sh- at Shawn Tompkins' house.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was he fighting 205 then, or 85?
- DHDan Hardy
Oh, this was, uh, he was fighting in Affliction. I was, I was helping him train for the... Was it Terry Martinet he fought in Affliction?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. No ... was it? Yes.
- 23:32 – 29:45
Bare-knuckle debate and body conditioning: knuckles, shins, and cauliflower ear
- JRJoe Rogan
It makes me rethink my support of, uh, f- ... 'Cause I was saying that MMA should be bare knuckle.
- DHDan Hardy
I remember we had this conversation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
Like in the back in the Middle East a long time ago when we-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... when someone came up to you.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're gonna have that same repetitive conversation forever.
- DHDan Hardy
I know. Yeah. Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it doesn't make sense to me.... that we have this unrealistic, uh, a- advantage of having your wrist wrapped and having knuckle protections on. Like, it seems like, why can't I... How come someone can elbow you in the face, but they can't hit you with a bare knuckle?
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
They can shin you in the face. Like, think about as hard as some people kick and then shinning you in the face, like, "Oh." That's okay.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. But then you gotta think, I mean, what MMA would look like if we took the gloves off.
- JRJoe Rogan
It would look like a real fight.
- DHDan Hardy
Hmm. It would.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, th- this, the thing is, like-
- DHDan Hardy
It would.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the gloves, it doesn't help anyone other than the person who's throwing their punches because it protects your hand. But it may, gives you an unrealistic expectation of what you could do with your hands-
- DHDan Hardy
True.
- JRJoe Rogan
... 'cause they're all padded up.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. But I s- I still think people, you know, the people that are fighting bare knuckle right now have got an unrealistic perspective of, of, of what boxing is with no gloves.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DHDan Hardy
Like, if you look back to the, any of the old photos or drawings of the old bare knuckle boxers, their stance was so much different.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
They lean back. Their knuckles were curled in and they were hitting with their front two knuckles with a back fist. Like, I think if, if bare knuckle boxing had started around, you know, around the same time as the UFC, uh, started, it would develop and it would look very different right now. Like, everybody's standing like boxers-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DHDan Hardy
... like they've got 14-ounce gloves on when they're sparring and they're throwing punches like they've got t- like they've got gloves on. There's no, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... they've not made that adjustment yet to lean back and start using that lead hand better.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, do you think that you're gonna see that in these bare knuckle boxing guys, they're gonna develop, like, that old-timey style?
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm. I think so.
- 29:45 – 50:07
Combat sports digressions: Tyson Fury’s mental health message, boxing politics, and coaching choices
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, Tyson Fury for sure.
- DHDan Hardy
Tyson Fury is.
- JRJoe Rogan
For sure.
- DHDan Hardy
I used to train in the same boxing roo- uh, gym as him, where like, he used to have the ring the hour before me. And I remember watching him. He was just like this big hulking monster walking around.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, he's so ridiculously tall (laughs) .
- DHDan Hardy
He improved a lot (laughs) . Yeah, ridiculous.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's so tall and long, and he moved so good for a big heavyweight.
- DHDan Hardy
Nice dude though.
- JRJoe Rogan
God damn.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a great guy.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a sweetheart of a guy.
- DHDan Hardy
He is.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he really genuinely cares to reach out to people and tell them that if you are going through depression, if you're dealing with and suffering from mental illness, talk about it and get help.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because I almost killed myself, and now here I am, champ of the world, feeling great.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know.
- DHDan Hardy
I'd love to see him against Andy Ruiz.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would love to see that too.
- DHDan Hardy
Can you imagine that?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think we'll see that.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, I hope so.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think we'll see all these fights. A- Andy Ruiz is, uh, not looking forward to fighting in Saudi Arabia apparently.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah, why is it there? That makes no sense at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
I do not... Look, again, one more time, I'm a moron, I'm not a fight promoter, I don't know what the fuck goes on behind the so- the scenes with lawyers and, uh, I don't know what, what the contract said that he had, but what I had heard was that he had to fight in England. Like, that was in the contract. That's what I had heard. But that could be horse shit.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. I mean, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
I have no idea. Maybe it, maybe it says in the contract that they have the right to tell him. I shouldn't even said that I heard that, because I don't even remember who told it to me. But the point is, there's a story that just came out that he does not want this fight to be in Saudi Arabia and I think he wants to fight in New York again. He, he said he doesn't trust it over there. You know, like, he, he doesn't trust it in England either. He doesn't trust f- fighting Joshua in England. He's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah. I get it. I mean, he's the champ now, he can call his shot, right?
- 50:07 – 58:38
Nature horror show: parasites, cordyceps, exploding ants, and insect warfare
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
Did you see that, uh, little clip going around of the snail that had a parasite in it? That this... The parasite took over and it's like pulsing in its eyes and the body?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
Dude, you haven't seen... Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
No. Oh, you know what I think I saw that a long time ago, something really similar to that, now that, now that you're saying it. I love these goddamn things. I love those grasshoppers that get infected with that water worm that makes them commit suicide. Oh, d- dude, I have seen this. Oh my God, this is amazing. So this thing is inside its eye like a c- goddamn...
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... amusement park ride. Like, go to that.
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
It's trying to trick a bird to eat it 'cause it'll repopulate inside the bird and take over the bird's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's kind of trick a bird?
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
Yeah, 'cause it's... The snail's already dead. I think it's gone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, boy.
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
What the fuck?
- DHDan Hardy
At this point-
- JRJoe Rogan
Nature, you fucking scary bitch.
- DHDan Hardy
(laughs) We've got it pretty good in comparison-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, we do.
- DHDan Hardy
... to the rest of the animal kingdom.
- JRJoe Rogan
What a tricky, weird way to propagate. "Hey, look at me. Come on. No, you wanna eat me? Come on. Come and eat me."
- DHDan Hardy
Fucking terrifying.
- JRJoe Rogan
So this aquatic worm, it, uh, climbs inside the grasshopper's body, and then when it's ready to be born, it makes the grasshopper commit suicide, so it can, like, get in the water and swim away. Literally talks to the grasshopper like, "Come on, bitch, you're going over here." Like, it hijacks... Its physical motion makes it jump into water and drown.
- DHDan Hardy
That's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then the w- worm fucking comes out of it like some-
- DHDan Hardy
What was the one with the fly?
- JRJoe Rogan
... Stephen King movie.
- DHDan Hardy
The fly that lands on the spider and gets inside it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
And there's larvae inside the spider that eats it from the inside and...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. What is... Isn't there like a, a tarantula hawk or something that does that?
- DHDan Hardy
Oh, man.
- GPGuest (likely a brief third-party commentator or producer)
I stumbled across something similar-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 58:38 – 1:04:21
Morphic resonance & shared learning: Rupert Sheldrake, rats in mazes, and monkey sweet potatoes
- DHDan Hardy
See, that's the argument for collective consciousness. 'Cause like someone figured that out. One of those, one of those honeybees figured that out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DHDan Hardy
And then the rest of them around the world have probably started using that same tactic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Probably. Yeah. Well, that's the Rupert Sheldrake, um, thought.
- DHDan Hardy
Is that the sweet potatoes in the sand thing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he's, he's, um, he's, he had this, uh, theory called morphic resonance. And, um, he, one of the things that he was saying was, he was talking about studies they did with rats in mazes. And then if they did a study with a rat in a maze, like, on the East Coast, rats on the West Coast, if they went through the same maze, would get through it quicker.
- DHDan Hardy
Hmm. Well, let's see-
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's like they were learning from each other how to get through. It's almost like they were sharing-
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... some sort of an understanding. I mean, w- we want to think that all genetics are the same in terms of like, you know, you have a child and your child shares your wife's genetics and your genetics and this is, this is how it works and this is, this is the way people learn things. And that might be the way we learn most things. But it also might be that we're getting some information from each other in some weird way.
- DHDan Hardy
It's gotta be.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we, but we might be a little detached from it.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whereas rats who are out there fucking scratching and clawing and they don't have a language, they might be completely tuned into it.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It might be the sacrifice that language, what, that we made when we went with language.
- DHDan Hardy
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where we lost our ability to read each other the way we used to or to, to read thoughts and ideas way we used to.
- DHDan Hardy
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We rely instead on this other thing. So it's sort of like when you wear shoes all the time, your feet get soft.
- DHDan Hardy
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Like, you lose-
- DHDan Hardy
Well, we have, we have, I mean, we've done a lot of things to detach ourself from all of that stuff. You know what I mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
Like, and I, and I think, you, you know, people that, like, Wim Hof and Tim Shief and people like that that kinda go back to-... as far, as close back to nature as they can.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm telling you-
- DHDan Hardy
They must be-
- JRJoe Rogan
... hell yeah.
- DHDan Hardy
... tuning back into something that, that we're lacking. I always feel that, like that. I wanna get closer to that resonance. And I do feel like, like th- this study with the, the monkeys on the islands, the archipelago, and they drop sweet potatoes in the sand. Have you, have you heard this?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think so, but go ahead.
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