JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford

Joe Rogan 0:01 Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best boxers on planet Earth and his trainer, (slaps table) Bo Mack and Terence Crawford. Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming here.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 0:09 Thank you, man.

Joe Rogan 0:09 We're live now.

Terence Crawford 0:10 Appreciate it, appreciate it. (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 0:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:11 Hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours. I've... We've talked about you many times on this podcast. I'm a, I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances. You know, you switch, s- switch stances as smooth as anybody ever. Like f- like, you gotta go back to Marvin Hagler to find a champ that switched stances like as fluidly as you. It's pretty, pretty impressive stuff, man.

Terence Crawford 0:31 A lot of practice.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Have you always been doing that?

Terence Crawford 0:32 A lot of practice. Yeah, since I was little. I remember getting in trouble 'cause I used to always switch 'em. My coach used to always say, "You need to worry about fighting-"

Joe Rogan 0:41 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 0:41 "...the one style first and perfecting that before you try to, try to, uh, switch and do a different style." But I always switched, so it got to the point where there was just like, "All right, well, if you gonna fight like that, we gonna train you like that."

Joe Rogan 0:54 Wow, so you forced it through.

Terence Crawford 0:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:57 Wow. Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that influenced you to switch like that, or was it just something you felt naturally?

Terence Crawford 1:03 It was just naturally.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Wow.

Terence Crawford 1:05 It was just like, "All right, this not working, so I gotta do something else."

Joe Rogan 1:08 Just make it more tricky.

Terence Crawford 1:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Yeah, well, that's, that's part of what's interesting about watching you fights... Wa- Watching you fight is that you could see you trying to figure out what's up. Like, first rounds with... when, when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch 'cause I see you measuring dudes, I see things happening, and you're switching stances, and then when you start finding the timing. It's like, timing is one of the more fascinating things to watch about boxing, 'cause a guy who has perfect timing and perfect p- Like, when you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect, it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports.

Terence Crawford 1:42 Right, right. It's like you, you know, you watching their every move and then you just dissecting 'em slowly.

Joe Rogan 1:49 How do you think... Do you think about it like... When you, when you start a round, a, a first round of a fight, is it different for every fighter, or do you always wanna do that? Do you always wanna, like, put them into the computer?

Terence Crawford 2:00 No, it's different, it's different. Like, sometimes I just wanna go out there and just be like, "All right, I'm gonna see what this dude got, see if he can take it."

Joe Rogan 2:07 Just go right to him?

Terence Crawford 2:08 Yeah. And then sometimes I just be like, "All right, I'm gonna take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he like to do and what he d- don't like to do, or see if I move this way, his reaction." Just certain things.

Joe Rogan 2:25 It's, uh, you know... Well, you came to the UFC this weekend, and, uh, you know, obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take away all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of ex- exchanges and punches.

Terence Crawford 2:41 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 2:41 And you get to see with guys like you, guys like Canelo or Floyd or the, the top level boxers, you get to see what's possible with guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters. I mean, when you were growing up, who... What was the, the fighter that influenced you the most?

Terence Crawford 2:58 Well, hands down, Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody-

Joe Rogan 3:08 Everybody did.

Terence Crawford 3:09 ... was a fan of Roy. But set aside Roy, I always watched Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yes.

Terence Crawford 3:17 Uh, I was too young for Sugar Ray Leonard and them, so...

Joe Rogan 3:21 I'm old enough for that.

Terence Crawford 3:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:23 I, I was there for the Sugar Ray Leonard days, I was there for Sugar Ray Tommy Hearns, the, the, the, the Sugar Ray Duran. I, I was there for all that stuff.

Terence Crawford 3:30 But I, I, I watched everything. Uh, when I was a... when I was young, my coach, Mitch Minor, he used to always take me to his house and watch boxing tapes. That was to keep me off, off the streets and keep me out of trouble until I went to the gym.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Is he still around?

Terence Crawford 3:46 Nah, he passed.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Damn, he probably like, "Look at that."

Terence Crawford 3:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:50 "Boy, did that work out." (laughs)

Terence Crawford 3:52 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 3:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:52 You know, we talk about an investment in time.

Terence Crawford 3:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:54 That, that worked out tremendously. Yeah, the, the... It's always... Uh, in our culture, there's a special place for the highest level of boxers. There's like a special place of, uh, admiration. And I just feel like with guys like Lomachenko, with guys like you, with Canelo and Triple G, this is a great time for boxing. It's fun to watch, man. There's so many... Errol Spence Jr., there's so many elite boxers right now. It's like a really exciting time.

Terence Crawford 4:18 For sure, for sure.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Do you recognize your place in history? Do you recognize that, like, you're, you're a special dude?

Terence Crawford 4:25 Of course, of course. Like, I always tell people when they, uh, mention me and Errol Spence, "You know, of course I want to fight," I tell everybody that. I always say, "With or without him, I'm going to the Hall of Fame." When you look at all the things that I've accomplished in the sport of boxing, people that's in the Hall of Fame didn't even accomplish that. You know, so I was... I just tell people, "I don't need him, he really need me."

Joe Rogan 4:53 Well, we need it.

Terence Crawford 4:54 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 4:55 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 4:55 Boxing... Right? Don't you agree?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 4:56 Yeah, boxing do need that fight.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Boxing needs it. I mean, that's one of the beau- beautiful things about when Canelo and Triple G do get together, is you see these guys in their respective weight classes that are in their prime. It's fun. You know, like, that's what everybody wants to see.

Terence Crawford 5:09 That's what it's all about.

Joe Rogan 5:10 That's the fight, right?

Terence Crawford 5:10 That's what it's all about.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:11 And to stop a whole lot of barber- barbershop conversations.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Yes.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:14 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 5:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:15 We need to stop a whole lot of comedy club conversations-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 ... barbershop, garage, everywhere. Yeah, that's the, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right?

Terence Crawford 5:23 For sure.

Joe Rogan 5:25 What's hold... What's the holdup?

Terence Crawford 5:27 You gotta ask them.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Oh, it's them.

Terence Crawford 5:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:30 Well, everybody has to hold out a little bit, right, to get the best deal, right?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:33 Yeah, that's cool, that's cool.

Terence Crawford 5:34 So, you know, uh, it's, it's all about business, but at the same time, uh, my side of, of the deal is ready whenever.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:43 And you can see all the interviews out there, man. You can see where if it's Terence or myself or Bob or anybody that's affiliated with Team Crawford, we all say we want the fight, you know.

Joe Rogan 5:57 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 5:57 We could have a fight tomorrow, you know, if we wanted to. So... But we know in reality it won't happen-

Terence Crawford 6:04 But- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:04 S- so when, w- would you think that he's waiting for the right time marketing-wise, or do you think he's ready for the right time where his skills, he feels like, are able to challenge you? Like, what do you think is the actual holdup?

Terence Crawford 6:17 I think it's ... It has something to do with Top Rank and-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 6:20 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 6:21 ... PBC.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Oh, okay.

Terence Crawford 6:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 So it's a promoter issue.

Terence Crawford 6:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:24 So it's a financial scramble.

Terence Crawford 6:26 I won't say financial, because the money will be there if the fight was ever made. I just think it's, you know-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 6:33 Egos.

Terence Crawford 6:34 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 6:35 I think egos. The eg- ... Yeah, I think it could be probably some egos, and it's-

Joe Rogan 6:37 So do you think hopefully this is just something that's gonna take a little while, but it will eventually come to play?

Terence Crawford 6:43 Of course. I think it'll, it'll happen. You know? But I think, you know, me being with Top Rank can stand in the way of a lot of things happening.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Mm. That makes sense. That makes sense. It's like, it's interesting that promoters, uh, boxing promoters work together well at all.

Terence Crawford 6:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:59 You know? Like, you think about it, like, if the UFC had to work with Bellator and put together some world championship fight, every- basically, there's so many times when you got champion-versus-champion, you have two different promoters and they have to decide to get together and, and make this happen.

Terence Crawford 7:11 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 7:12 Who want- who want to get the more- most of the pot. That's probably what it is.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Yes.

Terence Crawford 7:15 Or what network it's going to be on.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 7:17 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 7:17 If it's going to be on-

Joe Rogan 7:18 Bought it.

Terence Crawford 7:18 ... Fox or ESPN, and who's going to promote it and ...

Joe Rogan 7:22 It's also like, when someone like Floyd Mayweather has done what he's done and sold the kind of pay-per-views that he's sold and then, you know, and achieved this sort of level of financial fame as well as like ... People ... He's famous not just for being the best boxer, but famous for being insanely rich. Like, that's part of the fame.

Terence Crawford 7:40 'Cause he promote it.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yes.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 7:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:41 'Cause he promote it, 'cause he figured it out. And a lot of other people are going to probably try to do the same thing as well.

Terence Crawford 7:47 Right. That's just not my style.

Joe Rogan 7:49 Too busy, right?

Terence Crawford 7:50 Too busy.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yeah, man. I mean, you gotta just stay busy being Terence Crawford. You don't want to be promoting.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 7:56 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 7:57 Nah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 That seems like a lot of ... A pain in the ass, man.

Terence Crawford 7:59 I just ��

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:00 I'll do ... I'll do all that. I'll do all the promoting. I'll run my mouth and shit. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 8:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:03 What about after you're done? When, when your career's over, when you've retired, do you think you'd do some promoting then or training? What would you do?

Terence Crawford 8:09 No, I'd just be l- uh, in my gym back at home, you know. My coach got us a gym and just put my time and effort into the kids in the gym and my five kids that I have.

Joe Rogan 8:20 Beautiful. Yeah. That's a, that's a, that's a solid plan. You know? You don't need to get involved in that promoting shit.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:27 Now, he, he, he do get in the gym sometimes and, and work with the fighters.

Terence Crawford 8:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:31 Do you?

Terence Crawford 8:31 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:32 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 8:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:32 Why is that funny?

Terence Crawford 8:33 Because it's, it's funny to see him work with them because after about two rounds, he goes, "I can't do this shit, man."

Joe Rogan 8:42 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:42 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 8:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:42 'Cause they're not listening?

Terence Crawford 8:43 No, man. It's like you telling them over and over-

Joe Rogan 8:46 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 8:46 ... to do one little simple thing and like ... Just say you tell them, "Keep your right hand up."

Joe Rogan 8:51 Right.

Terence Crawford 8:51 And they keep going like this.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:53 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 8:53 Keep it like ...

Joe Rogan 8:54 Are you talking about brand new people?

Terence Crawford 8:55 Like, yeah, like even-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 8:56 Oh.

Terence Crawford 8:56 Even, even boxers that's been boxing for years that they really don't have the fundamentals down to a T. And you're like, "Dude, you've been boxing too long for you to still be making the same mistake."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 9:09 Mm.

Terence Crawford 9:09 And it's like, I only could say certain things for so c- for certain learn- for c- for certain learning. And then it's just like, all right, I ain't saying it no more.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Well, yeah, your opinion is as valuable as anybody alive. You're one of the best fucking boxers ever. So you're a, a beginning boxer and Terence Crawford's teaching you something, you're not listening?

Terence Crawford 9:31 You're probably nervous as shit.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Probably.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 9:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:33 For sure. For sure. But that's crazy that you'd be working with beginners. That's ... That must be wild for them. They must b-

Terence Crawford 9:40 I work with all of them.

Joe Rogan 9:41 That's awesome. That's got to freak them out, though.

Terence Crawford 9:44 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 9:44 You know?

Terence Crawford 9:44 Especially the ones that's professional and they be in the gym and I be yelling at them. They be on the mitts with Beau Mack, I'll come over there and critique them and they be like, "Shit, here come Bud."

Joe Rogan 9:54 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 9:55 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 9:55 They looking at me like, "Am I doing it right? Am I doing it right?" You know? So I just want everybody to win. I just keep them sharp.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Well, when someone has achieved that level, the, the level that you have, you know, like anybody around you that gets a chance to watch you train and be a part of that, that's, that's gigantic to see something like that in the gym. Wouldn't you agree? Just to see like a-

Terence Crawford 10:15 Fuck, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 10:15 ... elite world champion?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 10:16 I mean, for just having him around, you know, in the gym when he's not even supposed to be training or just being around and then the other fighters around is, is phenomenal because you'll see this little extra push in the guys.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Sure. Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 10:29 You know?

Joe Rogan 10:30 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 10:30 Uh, or like he'll come and run with them and I could see the smaller guys trying to get ahead of him.

Joe Rogan 10:37 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 10:37 You know? So, but i- it's cool, man. It's cool. It's really cool.

Joe Rogan 10:40 Yeah, that's, uh ... Do you think about that, h- how much you're inspiring guys?

Terence Crawford 10:45 Of course. All the time. That's why I come to the gym when Beau Mack be like, "Man, just take a rest. Just relax." I come to the gym and work out when, you know, I don't have nothing coming up just so I can show them like, even though I'm the champion of the world, I still work extra hard to make sure I stay champion.

Joe Rogan 11:04 (clears throat)

Terence Crawford 11:04 'Cause it's harder to keep the championship title than getting there.

Joe Rogan 11:09 It's one of the more beautiful things about boxing is there's no shortcuts.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 11:12 None.

Joe Rogan 11:13 For the best ever, you have to train.

Terence Crawford 11:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:15 You have to train hard as fuck. You just got to do it when you don't want to do it. There's no doubt about it. You got to do everything you're supposed to do. There's no if, ands, or buts. And if you don't, it'll fuck with your head.

Terence Crawford 11:24 And that's one thing I took from Floyd Mayweather. You will always see him-

Joe Rogan 11:28 Yep.

Terence Crawford 11:28 ... working out.

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 11:29 I don't care if he was at a, a bar, you'll see him running from the bar. He got his little workout clothes in his little TMT, uh, van, and he just run home.

Joe Rogan 11:41 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 11:41 Like, or you'll see him 3:00 in the morning, "Man, let's go work out." You know? And that's what I admire the most of is his work ethic.

Joe Rogan 11:49 His work ethic's off the chart. This is the only way you be that good. There's no other way. I mean, yeah, he understands boxing at a level that, I mean, he grew up with it, having his dad and his uncle and all that. The, the family was ... So many great boxers around him all the time. But he ... You don't get that good without i- insane work ethic.

Terence Crawford 12:07 There's no-

Joe Rogan 12:07 There's no shortcuts.

Terence Crawford 12:08 No, not at all. I, I have never seen nobody ...Like, put as much work in as Floyd. So that's why, you know, for me, I'm like thinking to myself, "I gotta work twice as harder, you know, if I wanna get above him." Because I never wanna be like anybody. I always wanna be myself, but I wanna surpass the people that was in front of me.

Joe Rogan 12:34 Was it, um, eye-opening when you got to watch him train?

Terence Crawford 12:38 Of course, of course. You know, when I was younger, it lets me know that I wasn't working as hard.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 12:46 So now, when, when fighters come to my camp or I bring in some sparring partners or some friends that's professional that just wanna, you know, come to camp and just experience just being in camp with a world champion, they all say the same thing. "Man, I thought I was working hard 'til I came up here, man. You work, man, you work too hard." And, and it ain't f- for some people, 'cause some people they just be like, "Oh, I can't do it today." Like-

Joe Rogan 13:13 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 13:13 ... "Nah, I'ma let y'all do them two. I'ma go to the gym, but I ain't gonna do the other stuff." And I just be like, "Man, come on, man." They be like, "Man, my body." Be like, "Man, see, that's what's gonna determine winning and losing, you complaining about your body when you can rest later, you know?"

Joe Rogan 13:29 Right. What other stuff are you trying to get- get them to do? I know you do a lot of stair running, right?

Terence Crawford 13:33 I do a lot of everything. I do yoga, I do-

Joe Rogan 13:37 Do you really?

Terence Crawford 13:37 ... strength conditioning. I do swimming.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Hot yoga, too.

Terence Crawford 13:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:40 You do hot yoga? I love that.

Terence Crawford 13:41 Hey, Joe, I used to do it too, dog. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:45 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 13:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:45 I believe you.

Terence Crawford 13:47 Man.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Listen, man. Everybody can do it.

Terence Crawford 13:49 It's just, it's just a mixture of, you know, just all-around body working out.

Joe Rogan 13:54 What do you find that you, uh, get outta yoga?

Terence Crawford 13:57 Uh, man, yoga is harder than you think. You know, you in there, you gotta control your breathing. You know, um, just holding your hands in certain positions is tiring. So the little muscles that you really not using, you know, in the day-to-day activities, you use in the yoga and it's just burning. And you just like, "Man." Just holding your hands up-

Joe Rogan 14:19 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 14:19 ... like this and going like this. You be like ... You been there shaking like, "Man, it's kinda burning." And you see the girls and you like trying to do it and it just ... It helps you with your balance as well.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Yeah, it helps you with a bunch of things. It's just interesting that, uh, more fighters don't adopt it. You know? I think anything that makes your body more flexible and g- increases your range of motion, and then gives you strength and all the l- It feels like when I do yoga, like all the connecting stuff, like the shoulders-

Terence Crawford 14:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:46 ... and hips and knees, all that gets like this extra stability workout that you don't really get from a lot of other things. I feel like it connects everything together good.

Terence Crawford 14:54 And it, and it helps you prevent injuries as well.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Yeah, yeah.

Terence Crawford 14:57 You know? So ...

Joe Rogan 14:58 Now, when ... Speaking of that, like what do you do in terms of recovery? Do you do, uh, ice baths or sauna and massage? Like what kind of shit do you do?

Terence Crawford 15:06 Massage and, um ... I don't- I don't like the cold, so I normally take-

Joe Rogan 15:10 You don't like the cold? (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:11 I don't- normally take Epsom salt baths.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 15:14 And just get massages.

Joe Rogan 15:15 That's a grown-up-in-Nebraska thing, though, right?

Terence Crawford 15:18 Come on.

Joe Rogan 15:18 What's that?

Terence Crawford 15:19 Cold.

Joe Rogan 15:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Terence Crawford 15:21 I- it's cold in Nebraska, but I'm used to that cold. But I just can't fix myself to get in the ice tub.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 15:29 I never was that type.

Joe Rogan 15:31 It's hard. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:31 Yeah. It is hard. I be like-

Joe Rogan 15:35 You pick your poison.

Terence Crawford 15:36 Y- yeah, I stick my feet in there and be like, "Ssh, I ain't getting in there."

Joe Rogan 15:39 Yeah, it's rough.

Terence Crawford 15:40 They be like, "Come on, it's gonna help you." All right, it's gonna help me next time, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 15:44 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:45 Fuck that. Have you ever fucked with cryotherapy? You ever try that?

Terence Crawford 15:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did that one time.

Joe Rogan 15:50 That's easier.

Terence Crawford 15:51 Yeah, it was cool, 'cause it's dry.

Joe Rogan 15:51 It's only three minutes.

Terence Crawford 15:52 It was dry.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Yeah, it's dry and it's only three minutes.

Terence Crawford 15:54 Yeah, so ... But that- that ice bath? Nah.

Joe Rogan 15:56 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 15:57 I'll do the coc- cryo.

Joe Rogan 15:58 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:59 But the ice bath? Nah, you won't ... I'll be sore.

Joe Rogan 16:02 I don't know what the science says. What's better? I've heard both things. I've heard that the ice bath's better 'cause it's prolonged, 'cause it's like 15 minutes. And I've heard the cryo is better because it- you hit your body with such a high degree of cold that it freaks out and produces these cold shock proteins better. But either one, you do those. Um, you do massage, you do yoga. What kind of s- I know you do strength and conditioning stuff, guy. I watch your Instagram. You got a great Instagram.

Terence Crawford 16:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:27 And your kids are wrestlers, right?

Terence Crawford 16:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:29 That's awesome.

Terence Crawford 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Do you think your kids will ever fight MMA?

Terence Crawford 16:33 Nah. Actually, I'm on ... I'm trying to convert 'em to baseball.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Really?

Terence Crawford 16:37 Probably in the next year. You know, because it ain't, it ain't that much money in wrestling.

Joe Rogan 16:42 It's true.

Terence Crawford 16:42 You know, when you look at the MMA fighters, uh, they ain't making a lot of money to get beat up like they getting beat up. Like, look at, uh, Pettis. He broke his feet, right? You know?

Joe Rogan 16:55 He ... Yeah, it looked like he broke one of his ankles, maybe.

Terence Crawford 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 Or at least hurt it.

Terence Crawford 16:59 I'm pretty sure he didn't make over $300,000 for that shot. That fight.

Joe Rogan 17:04 I'd like to know. See if they find out how much Anthony Pettis made for that fight.

Guest 17:08 He did break his foot.

Terence Crawford 17:08 He broke his foot, for sure?

Guest 17:09 Mm-hmm, yes.

Joe Rogan 17:09 Oh, yeah. He was walking around, uh, or being pushed around in a wheelchair today on Instagram.

Guest 17:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:13 Yeah, it's rough.

Terence Crawford 17:14 You see people get kneed-

Joe Rogan 17:16 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 17:16 ... kicked in the face, teeth.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Do you look at it as being more brutal than boxing?

Terence Crawford 17:20 (clicks tongue) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Yeah? You like-

Terence Crawford 17:23 You take, you take more risks in, in, in UFC.

Joe Rogan 17:26 You think so?

Terence Crawford 17:26 Boxing, more head injuries.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 17:28 But UFC, more risks for-

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yes.

Terence Crawford 17:32 ... us.

Joe Rogan 17:32 For- for sure for injuries, right?

Terence Crawford 17:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Broken bones-

Terence Crawford 17:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:36 ... and ankles and knees and shit.

Terence Crawford 17:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 17:38 And I just think it ain't, it ain't worth all that. Boxing ain't worth a lot of things, too, 'cause you seeing people die in the ring and-

Joe Rogan 17:45 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 17:46 ... uh, yeah, it ain't worth your life at the end of the day.

Joe Rogan 17:50 When you decide to hang it up, how will you know when?

Terence Crawford 17:54 (clicks tongue) You never ... Well, me personally, I won't think I'll ever know when, but I just got a date and an age. Like, all right, you know, middle 30s.

Joe Rogan 18:05 Mil- how old are you now?

Terence Crawford 18:07 I'll be 32 next month.

Joe Rogan 18:08 So you're close.

Terence Crawford 18:09 Close.

Joe Rogan 18:10 So you have it in your head.

Terence Crawford 18:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Just go out on top.... like, Marvin Hagler was one of the only ones ever do it. He went out on top, another switch hitter.

Terence Crawford 18:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:18 Marvin Hagler was the only one outta all the greats who lost that fight, controversial loss to Sugar Ray Leonard, was like, "Fuck this, I'm done." Just walked away.

Terence Crawford 18:26 Didn't he come back? One- one fight after that?

Joe Rogan 18:27 Nope, nope, never.

Terence Crawford 18:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Never came back.

Terence Crawford 18:29 So w- w- his last fight was Ray Leonard, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yep, yep. That was it. Controversial loss to Leonard, became a movie star in Italy. You ever seen his movies in Italy?

Terence Crawford 18:37 Nah, I just know he-

Joe Rogan 18:38 Wanna, wanna watch some clips?

Terence Crawford 18:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:40 It's hilarious. Yeah, pull up Marvin Hagler fucking people up. He's like a, a movie star.

Terence Crawford 18:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:45 He does, like, these crazy Italian movies.

Terence Crawford 18:48 How much did he make?

Joe Rogan 18:48 What is this?

Terence Crawford 18:48 This is how much he made for it.

Joe Rogan 18:49 $155,000, wow.

Terence Crawford 18:50 He had a... Another $355,000 if he won, but-

Joe Rogan 18:53 So-

Terence Crawford 18:53 Can you see?

Joe Rogan 18:53 ... Diaz made a flat $250,000 for the win. Yeah. The- they used to, before the Reebok deal, they used to make much more than that-

Terence Crawford 19:01 Way more, for sponsorships.

Joe Rogan 19:03 ... from sponsorships. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 19:03 'Cause, uh, I got a buddy, Mersad Bektiq, you know-

Joe Rogan 19:07 Yeah, I know that guy. He's really good.

Terence Crawford 19:09 From Lincoln.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Very talented.

Terence Crawford 19:09 Nebraska.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Oh, is he?

Terence Crawford 19:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Oh, okay, cool.

Terence Crawford 19:11 He's from Bos- Bosnia, but he-

Joe Rogan 19:13 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 19:13 ... lives in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Oh, okay.

Terence Crawford 19:16 You know, uh, real, real good friends. Real good friends, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Talented kid.

Terence Crawford 19:20 Yeah. And they just always say, "All right. Well, we get paid for this if we win. This for showing up. This if we get best knockout of the, of the day."

Joe Rogan 19:28 Whatever. This is Mo- this is-

Terence Crawford 19:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... Marvin Hagler as...

Terence Crawford 19:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:33 This is Marvin Hagler-

Terence Crawford 19:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:34 ... as an action hero. And this is, like, not far after the fight with, uh, Indio Two 'cause there's a lotta, a lot of shit that was unresolved after Indio One.

Terence Crawford 19:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:45 (laughs) He was, uh...

Terence Crawford 19:48 I've never seen that before.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Oh, this- these are spaghetti Westerns, like, but for, you know, whatever year this is. Look at Marvin Hagler just shooting everybody. It's hilarious.

Terence Crawford 19:56 So can he speak the language?

Joe Rogan 19:57 Uh, yeah, yeah. Apparently he speaks Ital- uh, Italian. And, you know, he's a star over there.

Terence Crawford 20:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Yeah. Look at him. He's... (laughs)

Terence Crawford 20:07 Marvin's body shot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:09 But he just decided, like, "I don't wanna box anymore. I'm done." It's hilarious.

Terence Crawford 20:14 That's good for him, though.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 20:16 You know?

Joe Rogan 20:17 I mean-

Terence Crawford 20:17 He don't gotta get punched in the head no more.

Joe Rogan 20:19 He speaks perfect. When you hear him t- speak today, they do, uh, you know-

Terence Crawford 20:23 Have you met him?

Joe Rogan 20:23 ... he occasionally does an intervi- Never. I'd love to. Yeah, I'd like to meet that guy. That was... He was my hero when I was a kid.

Terence Crawford 20:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:28 I remember there was a video of him. He was training for Mustafa Hamsho, and he's running down Cape Cod in the winter with a, with a hoodie on, just screaming, "War."

Terence Crawford 20:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:37 "War!"

Terence Crawford 20:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:38 He's... And all the cold coming out of his mouth, the steam. And he's running. I was like, "Oh, my God." 'Cause I was, you know, doing martial arts back then, and I was watching him going like, "That is, that is the ultimate champion." That's a champion that puts himself in a terrible pla- puts himself down on the Cape in the wintertime to do all his training in the cold.

Terence Crawford 20:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:56 He runs in the cold. And does it, and he runs in combat boots, too. He ran in combat boots. And he would just be... He was hard as fuck. And he just had crazy work ethic, crazy work ethic. And I remember, whenever I would think about was, being, think about being lazy, I would think of him-

Terence Crawford 21:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:11 ... running down the beach going, "War!"

Terence Crawford 21:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:14 Just, just shadow punching in the beach. "War!"

Terence Crawford 21:18 It's crazy that you say that because I remember when we was little, we used to always run in the cold. I mean, it'd be so-

Joe Rogan 21:26 Toughen you up.

Terence Crawford 21:26 ... cold where the snot is freezing up.

Joe Rogan 21:29 (laughs) Yeah.

Terence Crawford 21:30 You tearing up. But as you get older, you be like, "Man, I ain't about to run in that cold."

Joe Rogan 21:34 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 21:35 "I'm not. I'd rather run on the treadmill."

Joe Rogan 21:37 Well, you already know you, you-

Terence Crawford 21:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:40 You already know you know how to fight.

Terence Crawford 21:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:42 You already know you know how to persevere. You already know you're a champion. You already know you're at the top of the game. You don't have to prove that to yourself anymore. You know how tough you are.

Terence Crawford 21:47 No, no, it be times-

Joe Rogan 21:49 From the beginning.

Terence Crawford 21:49 ... that... It be times that I just be like, "All right, we, we need that, that hardcore work. Let's go." Everybody be like-

Joe Rogan 21:58 Every now and then.

Terence Crawford 21:58 ... "What? We ain't going to why?" No, we going- One time-

Joe Rogan 22:01 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 22:01 One time we ran right after Thanksgiving dinner. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:06 Oh, no. Right after?

Terence Crawford 22:07 Right after Thanksgiving dinner.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Ugh.

Terence Crawford 22:09 Everybody's stuffed and...

Joe Rogan 22:11 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 22:11 I, I don't get out there. I just get, get in the truck and go, "Yeah, let's go. Come on."

Joe Rogan 22:16 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 22:16 Everybody like, "What? What?" Okay, so, so-

Joe Rogan 22:18 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 22:18 ... so he made, he made Thanksgiving dinner, and we in training camp. So, you know, we all gotta lose weight and stuff. And Bo made all this food. Man, we all grubbing this stuff. And then so I'm eating. After I get done eating, I'm like, "Man, I'm stuffed." I'm like, "Man, I can't wake up this heavy." I was like, "Man, everybody, let's get ready to go on a run." And everybody looking at me laying down like, "Man, it's cold. You tri- you for real?" So we running with these little flashlights (laughs) like the little...

Joe Rogan 22:48 Oh, man.

Terence Crawford 22:49 You know-

Joe Rogan 22:49 ... like hiker lights.

Terence Crawford 22:50 ... where you go fi- yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 22:50 Where you go fishing and stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 22:52 So we all running, everybody honking. (honking noise)

Joe Rogan 22:56 Wow.

Terence Crawford 22:56 It was at night. It was, it was pretty chill.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Wow. Yeah, but that kind of shit, like what Floyd Mayweather does. That, that 2:00 in the morning workout routine. Every now and... Like, it's good to just throw monkey wrenches into your sense of what you should be doing and when. Be ready to do it always.

Terence Crawford 23:12 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 That's why that cold weather running is big.

Terence Crawford 23:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:16 Cold weather running is... Those people that live in cold climates that run in the winter, man, that's a s- that's a hardy breed of human. That's not a regular person that decides. Like, nobody's got a gun to your head.

Terence Crawford 23:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:27 It's not your job. You decide to put your fucking running shoes on and lace up and go out there when it's zero.

Terence Crawford 23:34 It's kind of like when, before I fought American, and I was down there shadow boxing in, in the snow, in that blizzard.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Oh. Oh, yeah.

Terence Crawford 23:43 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah. Oh.

Terence Crawford 23:44 I w- I put it on...

Joe Rogan 23:45 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 23:45 I put it on, on my Instagram, and everybody was like, "Oh, he training for Spence." Like-

Joe Rogan 23:51 We got like-

Terence Crawford 23:51 ... in fighting condition.

Joe Rogan 23:51 ... 10, 10 inches that day.

Terence Crawford 23:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:53 10 inches that day.

Terence Crawford 23:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:55 It was a blizzard. And we actually got knocked off a couple days from leavi- leaving for training camp.

Terence Crawford 24:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:01 Wow.

Terence Crawford 24:01 'Cause it was so much fucking snow, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:03 But there's something about that. Like, even you talking about it, you know it's kind of wild. You're out there boxing in the snow.

Terence Crawford 24:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Shadow boxing in the middle of a blizzard. Something wild about that.

Terence Crawford 24:12 But it's crazy, though, because when it's snowing, it's not that cold.

Joe Rogan 24:16 Right. It's true, isn't it?

Terence Crawford 24:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:17 Yeah, like-

Terence Crawford 24:17 So-

Joe Rogan 24:17 ... it insulates a little bit in some weird way.

Terence Crawford 24:19 I was just sitting in the house, and it was just like, man, go outside and do something. So I went outside, ran a little bit and then I come home and I was like, "Come here." He's like, "What?" Like, "Come and record me." (laughs) Shadow boxing and stuff after I ran, so it was cool.

Joe Rogan 24:34 So when, when I see you doing those, uh, those stair runs, you do that quite a bit, right?

Terence Crawford 24:39 Right, every Sunday.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Where do you do that at?

Terence Crawford 24:41 At, in Colorado Springs.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Well, you don't not, well, you don't, probably won't tell anybody where you go.

Terence Crawford 24:44 Oh, they know.

Joe Rogan 24:45 They know? Oh, they go there right-

Terence Crawford 24:46 It's, it's in Colorado Springs.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Oh, okay. It's... That's a famous spot, right?

Terence Crawford 24:48 Yeah, Manitou Springs.

Joe Rogan 24:49 How many steps is that, that whole thing?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 24:52 Pshh...

Joe Rogan 24:53 Something crazy, right?

Terence Crawford 24:54 Some thousands.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 24:54 It's, it's a mile and a half up, I believe.

Terence Crawford 24:56 No, it's a mile.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 24:57 A mile?

Joe Rogan 24:58 A mile up a hill. How long does it take you to get up there?

Terence Crawford 25:00 Probably like 35 minutes, 34.

Joe Rogan 25:03 That's a fucking horrible run, a mile and a half.

Terence Crawford 25:07 Yeah, but you're not running.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Up a hill.

Terence Crawford 25:08 You walk... We walk it, but some people run it.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Oh, you walk it?

Terence Crawford 25:10 Yeah. That's insane, them people that be running, insane, 'cause the air getting thinner and thinner as you go. And then the steps, you got some steps that's like this, that's small, and then you got some steps where you gotta really reach.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Oh.

Terence Crawford 25:24 Like, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:25 So if you're running and you slip-

Terence Crawford 25:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:27 ... it's a fucked up tumble.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 25:29 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 25:29 Yes, real. (laughs) Okay. For real.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 25:33 Like, when you, when you up at the top-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 25:35 (coughs) .

Terence Crawford 25:35 ... you feel like you in the clouds sometimes, like looking down, like the cars is, it's a straight shot.

Joe Rogan 25:42 But do you do your training camp up there?

Terence Crawford 25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 In Colorado Springs?

Terence Crawford 25:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:45 Just for the altitude?

Terence Crawford 25:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 25:47 I actually, uh, got a house up there.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Oh, really?

Terence Crawford 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 You just go back and-

Terence Crawford 25:51 Yeah, back and forth.

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... do it for each camp? What made you decide to do your camps out there?

Terence Crawford 25:55 Just to get away from home, you know.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 25:57 Uh clear my head, get away from all the negativity. And I've been doing it since 2013. 13?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 26:04 Yeah, 13.

Terence Crawford 26:05 2013, so...

Joe Rogan 26:06 So do you have a gym set up at, at the house?

Terence Crawford 26:09 Everything.

Joe Rogan 26:09 Oh, that's nice.

Terence Crawford 26:10 Everything.

Joe Rogan 26:10 I saw, like, Canelo had something like that down in San Diego. There was a thing when he was training for one of his fights. They just rented a house, turned the garage into a boxing ring.

Terence Crawford 26:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:19 So you do that kind of thing? You have-

Terence Crawford 26:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:20 ... it all set up out there?

Terence Crawford 26:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 A lot of guys do that at Big Bear too, right?

Terence Crawford 26:23 Yeah. It's similar to that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Yeah. Having that high altitude, is that what you prefer, like, like, for, for your wind?

Terence Crawford 26:31 Yeah, that, that help my wind, but at the same time, everything is, is already set up. Like, everything, from the yoga to the swimming to the gym to everything. It's like a second home to me.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 26:45 So it's not like I gotta go looking to find where I'm gonna do this, where I'm gonna do this. It's like everything is everything and, you know, my family come up there and visit me, and we get the job done.

Joe Rogan 26:58 It's all locked in.

Terence Crawford 26:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Now, when you go up there, who sets your schedule as far as what your daily routine is?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:06 I do, right.

Joe Rogan 27:06 You said everything, your yoga-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:08 ... all, everything?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:09 Well, it's, it's a, it's two more coaches that, that helps me, ƒDiego and Red Spike. So we all get together. We make a, we make a, uh, a calendar, like, a month in advance, and...

Joe Rogan 27:19 Now, when you do things like when you add in yoga and swimming, how do you know when to put those in?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:24 Well, we... It, it... Everything was always... It started off with trial and error-

Joe Rogan 27:28 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:28 ... back in 2013.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Grab that microphone. Pull it up close to you. There you go.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:32 Like I said, it's-

Joe Rogan 27:32 You move it around, it moves all over the place ƒDiego.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:34 All right. It... Like I said, it's, it started with trial and error. 2013, you know, we tried this and we tried that, and then we start doing this and we start doing that. And then, you know, just l-... Just look at the fighter and just see if it is... if it's working for him, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:50 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 27:51 And if it's working for him, you wanna stick with it. And then you start adding little small things into it, like the yoga and the swimming, the running, the... you know, the incline.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:01 And so, uh, after so many amount of years, I think we've been since '13, I mean, he just work like clockwork now.

Joe Rogan 28:08 Now, do-

Terence Crawford 28:09 You know?

Joe Rogan 28:09 ... are you monitoring your heart rate or how do you know? Like, do you do, do any of that stuff while-

Terence Crawford 28:13 No.

Joe Rogan 28:13 ... you're training?

Terence Crawford 28:14 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Just go by feel?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Yeah. There's, uh, two schools of thought, right? The schools of thought is like the old way is the best way, like just do hard shit, chop wood-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:24 ... you know, run, do the, do the standard stuff. And then there's other people that watch their macros and, you know, their ma-... You know, you're smiling.

Terence Crawford 28:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:31 You're not watching your macros?

Terence Crawford 28:31 No, I, I know what you're talking about-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:33 Yeah, I'm watching macros.

Terence Crawford 28:33 ... but I don't... We ain't... We don't do none of that.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:35 Yeah, I think we train more or less like the old school way-

Joe Rogan 28:37 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:37 ... but we do got, like, some of the new stuff in, like the strength and conditioning.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 28:41 We got a... The strength and conditioning, uh, guy, Jamie Belt, he's excellent and he kinda adds a little stuff, n- uh, new modern age stuff in t- in the, into the workouts.

Terence Crawford 28:53 Like sometimes I be wanting to do more and he'd be like, "No, that was, that was enough for you." Like, "You might not think you did enough, but trust me, you'll feel it tomorrow."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:00 And what you wanna know?

Terence Crawford 29:01 "You'll wake up tomorrow and you like, 'Goddamn'." I go, "Really, it sore."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:05 But then sometimes, like, I'll add in some stuff and just I'll just, you know, try to make things different. He look at me saying, "No, boy, we're not doing that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:15 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 29:15 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:15 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 29:16 'Cause you, you'd already be like dead and he'd be like trying to add extra stuff or he'll be like, "One more round. All right, come on one more round."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:25 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 29:25 And then you'll do that one more round and he'd be like, "All right, we got one more round, y'all." And you'd be like, "Man..." You'd be like, "Man, I just pushed everything out of that last round because you said that was the last round." "Well, come on, baby. Come on. I'm not about to argue with you so you can do great." (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 29:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:40 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 29:40 So it's like, all right.

Joe Rogan 29:42 With a fighter, it's like there's a s-... There's gotta be a balancing point, right? Like you don't want him to do too much-

Terence Crawford 29:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:48 ... so, like, when that guy told you, like, that's enough for today-

Terence Crawford 29:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:51 ... and you, like, want to keep going, that's the natural inclination is to work harder.

Terence Crawford 29:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:55 It's that weird balancing point where you gotta figure out when you're overtraining.

Terence Crawford 29:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:59 And so if you're not monitoring your heart rate or anything like that, you just basically... if you have a flat day, you feel flat-

Terence Crawford 30:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:04 ... you just chill out?

Terence Crawford 30:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:07 So just all by feel?

Terence Crawford 30:07 Like sometimes, sometimes, Bo always ask me before we go work out, "How you feeling? How you feeling?" Like, "I'm good, Bo. I'm good." All right? Sometimes I be like, "Man, I'm tired." Like, and he be like, "All right, well, we just going to coast today." Like, if it's sparring day, he'd be like, "All right. Well, don't be trying to..."... do too much. We just gonna spar, hit the mitts, get out. We ain't gonna do no bag, we ain't gonna do nothing extra. And then after I do the bag and sparring, I mean, not the bag, but the mitts and spar, I might be feeling good.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 30:35 And I be like, "Man, let's do this." And he'll be like, "No, you said you wasn't feeling good at first, listen. Come on. Let's go."

Joe Rogan 30:41 That's the hardest part, right?

Terence Crawford 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:43 To, to pull it back. To know when to pull it back?

Terence Crawford 30:45 Right. Because he, he knows me. He been with me since the beginning, so he knows just by looking at me, you know, what type of day I'm having. Like either in the gym or outside the gym, so...

Joe Rogan 30:57 That's gotta be important, isn't it?

Terence Crawford 30:58 Oh, yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Like knowing him from the time when he was younger and just starting out to today?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 31:02 It definitely is, man. It plays a big part in, in the relationship as far as, like say, inside the ring and outside the ring. 'Cause, uh, you know, as a trainer, you, you'll never want your fighter to overtrain, or you'll never want him to undertrain. So, but I, I'll- I'll never have to worry about him undertraining because he's always in the gym. But I do have to worry about him overtraining, you know, 'cause he always in the gym. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 31:26 Yeah, yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 31:26 So it'll be like he said, some days it'll be like, "Man, we gonna pull back this week." "Why, man? Shit, man, we been training for... already for eight weeks." You know? So, and we still got one or two more weeks to go before we hit the down date, the, the actual peak point. You know? "All right. We'll, we'll, we'll pull back." You know? And then sometimes he get hardheaded and he say, "No, come on, man, let me do a little bit more." "All right, do a little bit more, but don't do too much." You know? You don't gotta put your all into it. You know? Just, just, just move around a little bit, you know? You gotta do all... Ba- basically all fighters like that. Especially fighters... good fighters. 'Cause most good fighters like Terence and other fighters, Jamel Henry, Steve Nelson, you gotta, you gotta pull them guys back. Always gotta pull them back 'cause they always wanna go, go, go, go, go, go.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 32:14 'Cause they always got this win in them. "I gotta fucking win. I gotta fucking win." I understand that. I want you to fucking win too, but I don't want you to break your body down, I don't want you to do your, your boxing inside the gym. You gotta have something left when you go to the fight.

Joe Rogan 32:26 That's a lesson that's very hard for young guys to learn, right?

Terence Crawford 32:29 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Yeah, but it's so critical to know where your body is and... At this stage of your career, I would imagine you just kinda feel it.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 32:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:38 Like, you know exactly... And when you're in training camp and you're gearing up for a fight, is that how it feels? Like you know where you're at, like, "Oh, this is where I'm supposed to be. I feel this right here."

Terence Crawford 32:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:45 "This is normal."

Terence Crawford 32:46 It's funny though because every fight, every single fight before the fight, you know, Beau Mack always waiting to hear me be like, "Oh, man, I'm ready though."

Joe Rogan 32:58 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 32:58 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 32:58 "I'm ready."

Joe Rogan 32:59 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 33:00 Like, sometimes it'd be a week before the fight, sometimes it'd be two weeks before the fight. But when he hear it, "That's what I'm... That's what I been waiting on."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 33:13 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 33:13 It's like, "Now I'm, now I'm, now I'm comfortable." 'Cause like sometimes he, he just be like, he'll look at me, I be working and stuff, and then he don't say nothing. But then when I come to him like, "Yeah, I'm ready." He be like, "That's what I want."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 33:27 "He said he ready."

Terence Crawford 33:28 "That's what I wanna hear."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 33:29 "He said he ready." Yeah. "You see," he, he, "You get that from the fighter."

Terence Crawford 33:32 Right.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 33:32 "You know what I'm saying? God, fuck that shit, man. I'm gonna beat this motherfucker's ass." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:36 (laughs) Well, because you guys know each other so well and you worked together so long, like, you, you must like say, "Okay, here we are. We're, we're where we're supposed to be."

Terence Crawford 33:43 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 33:43 You, you've been there. It falls right into place.

Terence Crawford 33:45 Right. My, my biggest thing that I always told Beau, ever since I was an amateur, because I remember losing a couple of fights because I didn't train as hard and I got tired, you know, and I couldn't really do too much. And I always told Beau, I said, "Beau, if I'm in the best of my sh- best shape that I possibly can be in, nobody beating me. Nobody." And then Beau always was like, "I know. That's why you need to quit bullshitting." (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 34:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:16 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 34:16 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 34:16 So, so it just got to the point-

Joe Rogan 34:17 That's a real friend.

Terence Crawford 34:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:18 That's a real trainer and a real friend.

Terence Crawford 34:20 Yeah, so it just got to the point where I just started like training real, real hard. And I was just like training not to get-

Joe Rogan 34:26 How old were you when this happened?

Terence Crawford 34:28 I was a teenager. I would just start training not to get tired. "If I can go in there and fight and not get tired, I'ma win." That's what I always said.

Joe Rogan 34:37 So the switch flipped.

Terence Crawford 34:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 34:39 He figured it out.

Terence Crawford 34:40 'Cause I, I, I was losing to people that I shouldn't have lo- lost to, just head down, just swinging all wild, but they was in shape. And I was trying to be all cute and slick and get tired. Now it's a matter of life and death, me holding, they pushing me, I'm falling all over the place as a, as a little kid, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:59 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 35:00 And I was just like, "I'll never get that tired ever again in a fight."

Joe Rogan 35:03 That is such an important lesson for young fighters to hear. Such an important lesson that it's... there's no shortcut. When you look at a guy like Terence Crawford, you say, "Well, that guy must be insanely talented." I mean, like his timing, his, his reads on people, the ability to switch stances. You say, well, no, no. Yeah. Well, how'd that come about? That talent came about through relentless hard work.

Terence Crawford 35:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:23 That's what, that's what makes that talent emerge. I'm sure you have a, uh, an amazing inclination for boxing. Every elite of the elite fighter does. But you don't get to be there without any hard work.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 35:33 Not at all.

Joe Rogan 35:33 It doesn't exist. There's no way. There's no way. It's so important for young fighters to hear.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 35:39 That's what lot, a lot of guys did... don't see is that hard work in the gym.

Terence Crawford 35:42 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 35:43 You know what I'm saying?

Terence Crawford 35:44 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 35:44 Hard work at home, though.

Joe Rogan 35:45 That's any fighter though, with anything.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 35:45 When you look at, when you look at any top fighter and you look at all the sacrifices they made just to be where they at, and you, you would have people taking shots at them and stuff, and they'd be like, "Man, you don't know what I didn't put my body through to be here today." Or, "You didn't know what I went through, went through." And it's just like total disrespect for somebody that haven't even stepped foot in a ring-

Joe Rogan 36:10 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 36:10 ... to be trying to critique you when they ain't, they ain't even step foot to get punched in the face before.

Joe Rogan 36:15 They can never really understand though, right? No one could ever really understand what it takes to be an elite boxer. When your whole... the future of your family, the future of yourself, your financial success, and all the people around you is dependent on you navigating the most shark-filled waters in professional sport.... a bunch of trained killers with their hands.

Terence Crawford 36:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:35 Everybody's real good at knocking other people out with their hands, and you're successfully navigating those waters. Like, no one, no one really understands that other than you.

Terence Crawford 36:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:43 You and all the other people, like ... Like, the real ... I mean, people on the outside that are close to you kinda get it a little bit. You are the only one who's ever gonna be able to understand that, so all those people talking shit, like, they might as well be speaking a language they don't even know what the meaning is.

Terence Crawford 36:56 Facts.

Joe Rogan 36:56 It's nonsense. They're saying nonsense.

Terence Crawford 36:58 And it's just, like, you got a bullseye on your head and your back.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 37:01 Because you, you, you reverse. First you had your eye on somebody, and you was like, "Man, I gotta beat this dude. After this dude, I gotta beat this dude." So you was eying that person that was in your shoes, you know, that was once champion of the world. Like, I was eyeing Ricky Burns when I was coming up, you know? And after I beat him, now everybody's eying me because I'm champ now. So it's no more Ricky Burns, it's Terence Crawford. "We gotta get Terence Crawford. He's the champ."

Joe Rogan 37:31 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 37:32 So now it's like, "Damn, everybody wants your head," so now you gotta train even harder to keep the title.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Mm-hmm. Do you ever have guys show up at your gym talk shit, like Shannon Briggs style?

Terence Crawford 37:43 (laughs) No, we ain't in ... We ain't in gym-

Guest 37:44 Ain't nobody coming to Omaha, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:46 "Let's go, champ."

Terence Crawford 37:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:47 If Shannon Briggs were ... I- if you were his weight class, he would show up in Omaha. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 37:51 No.

Joe Rogan 37:52 "Let's go, champ."

Terence Crawford 37:53 No. (laughs) Shon- Shannon Briggs ... (laughs) Shannon Briggs wouldn't leave-

Joe Rogan 37:57 He's hilarious.

Terence Crawford 37:57 ... he would leave Omaha the same way he came in.

Joe Rogan 38:02 (laughs)

Guest 38:02 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 38:02 He done been got beat up by somebody.

Joe Rogan 38:04 (groans) Oh, you ever see what he did to Wladimir Klitschko?

Terence Crawford 38:07 When they cut each other and that?

Joe Rogan 38:08 No, when they were ... When ... Well, there was a couple times. One at a restaurant, poured water on his head, but two-

Terence Crawford 38:12 And he cut it. He cut himself.

Joe Rogan 38:14 ... he cut him? Oh, that's right, from the broken glass.

Terence Crawford 38:15 Yeah, he cut himself.

Joe Rogan 38:16 Right. But the other time was on, uh, he was, he was on a wakeboard, or on a, a-

Terence Crawford 38:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:19 ... paddleboard and, uh, Shannon came by in a boat and knocked him off the fucking paddle. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 38:24 Did.

Joe Rogan 38:24 And the waves fell on his.

Terence Crawford 38:25 That's why I think that was staged, all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 38:27 You think it was staged?

Terence Crawford 38:28 I think it was staged.

Joe Rogan 38:28 Seems like it was staged.

Terence Crawford 38:29 'Cause like, man, how you know where this man at every single time he goes somewhere?

Joe Rogan 38:33 That's a good point. That's a good point.

Terence Crawford 38:34 And then you just so happen to have some good cameras getting the footage.

Joe Rogan 38:38 It's true.

Terence Crawford 38:39 They were some good cameras.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Good point. But Shannon wisely would travel with good cameras and then just start making these, these scenes.

Terence Crawford 38:46 But he never fought him.

Joe Rogan 38:48 Yeah, he did never fight him.

Terence Crawford 38:49 I mean, I think ... I think he fought him when he was younger or something, knocked him out or something like that.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Vitali. Vitali knocked him out.

Terence Crawford 38:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Yeah. He fought, he fought the older brother, Vitali.

Terence Crawford 38:58 He was a monster.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Yeah. That was ... That's who he fought, right? I believe he fought Vitali.

Guest 39:02 Vitali. Vitali.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Is that how you say it?

Guest 39:03 Vitali.

Joe Rogan 39:04 Vitali. Vitali.

Guest 39:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:05 That's how you say it, Vitali. Th- that guy had an iron jaw. The brother, nobody could knock out the brother. It was crazy. That guy would just take bombs. Remember when he fought Lennox Lewis?

Guest 39:13 Yeah, Vitali.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 39:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Took bombs. I mean, that, that guy was so goddamn durable.

Terence Crawford 39:18 He woulda won that fight if he wouldn't have got that cut.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Giant cut.

Terence Crawford 39:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:21 He was winning. What a weird style too, right?

Terence Crawford 39:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:24 He had one of the most awkward ... (grunts)

Terence Crawford 39:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Like, so strange watching him throw punches, but it was effective.

Terence Crawford 39:30 He remind me of, uh, Drago off Rocky.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Yeah. A little bit, yeah.

Terence Crawford 39:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:36 That guy's a doc ... Like, he's got a PhD.

Terence Crawford 39:39 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 39:40 I think he speaks, like, five languages.

Terence Crawford 39:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:42 What'd they, what'd they call him? Dr. Iron Fist, wasn't that his name?

Guest 39:45 Yeah. Yep.

Joe Rogan 39:46 What a character. It's interesting too, like, the heavyweight division has now become the focal point of boxing again. It's very exciting.

Terence Crawford 39:52 That's good.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Like, for ... Yeah, for a long time, Wladimir Klitschko was the heavyweight champ of the world and for whatever reason, nobody gave a fuck. It was weird.

Guest 40:02 Because he was dominating for all those years.

Joe Rogan 40:04 He was jab and clutch, jab and clutch. He was-

Terence Crawford 40:06 I think it's because we didn't have the American champion, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:09 Yeah, for sure.

Terence Crawford 40:10 So everybody was like, "Oh, forget it." (laughs) He went ... (taps hand) died.

Joe Rogan 40:13 There probably has something to do with it. (clears throat) But if he was fighting in st- like, if he was fighting the way Deon- Deontay Wilder does, who cares if he's from the moon?

Terence Crawford 40:20 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:20 You know? He's starting people like that-

Terence Crawford 40:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:22 ... like, we wanna see that guy fight. Like, you don't care if that guy's from fucking Brazil or wherever he's from.

Terence Crawford 40:27 When he-

Joe Rogan 40:27 We ... When he land that right hand, it's- Woo!

Terence Crawford 40:29 ... it's good night.

Joe Rogan 40:30 God damn.

Guest 40:31 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 40:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:32 It's one of those punches where people just go ... They ... You see people in the audience going, "Ooh."

Guest 40:36 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 40:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:37 "God, he hits hard."

Terence Crawford 40:39 Even when he don't fully extend, it be like ... (slaps leg)

Joe Rogan 40:42 The crazy thing is when he fought Tyson Fury, he was 209. 209. That's nothing to p- And he punches so fucking hard, it's crazy. That dude is a, an anomaly. The fact that he won a bronze medal in the Olympics three years after taking up boxing-

Terence Crawford 40:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:59 ... it's, it's insane. It's just insane.

Terence Crawford 41:02 Yeah. 'Cause there ... A lot of people, they asked me, 'cause we, we was in the same, you know, uh, trials in 2007. And they was like, "Do you ever remember Deontay Wilder in the, in the amateurs?" I said, "Man, he came outta nowhere cracking people."

Joe Rogan 41:19 (laughs)

Guest 41:20 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 41:21 (laughs) That's it.

Joe Rogan 41:22 (claps) Oh.

Terence Crawford 41:23 I said, "He never went on none of the, the, uh, duels or nothing. He just came outta nowhere."

Joe Rogan 41:30 Yeah, he's-

Terence Crawford 41:30 Beat all the top guys in the heavyweight division.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Crazy. That's a, a ... It's a ... He's a unicorn, you know? When you look at his record, what is it, like, 39 knockouts out of 41 fights?

Terence Crawford 41:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Something like that?

Guest 41:44 40 knockouts.

Joe Rogan 41:45 40 knockouts out of 41 fights?

Guest 41:47 It was ... Oh, it was four ... Yeah, okay. 39, 39.

Terence Crawford 41:49 Yeah, it was two ... Only two fights went ... Was it ... What is it? Uh, the first one, was it Brazil? Dom- No, no. Brazilian, he just knocked out. Who was ... Who el- who went the distance?

Joe Rogan 41:58 Oh.

Terence Crawford 41:58 Stiverne.

Guest 41:59 Stiverne, yeah.

Terence Crawford 41:59 Stiverne went the distance in their first fight.

Guest 42:01 Stiverne and-

Terence Crawford 42:02 Yeah, and then he flatlined him in the second fight.

Guest 42:04 Fear you mean.

Terence Crawford 42:04 That crazy one. Dude, he hits dudes ...

Guest 42:06 (laughs) When they push their heads.

Terence Crawford 42:06 They go ... They go flying, man. People go flying. He got the la- he got the right last name-

Joe Rogan 42:13 Oh, yeah.

Terence Crawford 42:13 ... 'cause he get wild in the mug.

Guest 42:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:16 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 42:16 And once he get wild, he start ... (yawns)

Joe Rogan 42:18 How about that interview?

Guest 42:20 "To this day." (laughs)

Terence Crawford 42:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 And that dude interviewing him is like, "Shit, what did I do?"

Terence Crawford 42:24 (laughs)

Guest 42:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:25 "What the fuck did I do?" (laughs) And then he uses #tillthisday. He uses that all the time on his Instagram, so that guy gets shell-shocked. He gets PTSD every time he reads #tillthisday.

Terence Crawford 42:37 (laughs)

Guest 42:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:37 He's like, "No."

Terence Crawford 42:39 Hey, it's funny though because we all, we all be saying that now.And he be like, "To this day, I ain't going back to that, that store."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 42:46 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 42:46 "To this day." So everybody just-

Joe Rogan 42:49 Yeah, he took that phrase over.

Terence Crawford 42:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:51 That was a, that was a phrase, you know, that he just owned. He took it over. That's his now.

Terence Crawford 42:56 Oh, that's his.

Joe Rogan 42:56 That's his, 100%.

Terence Crawford 42:57 To this day, that's his.

Joe Rogan 42:58 One interview.

Terence Crawford 42:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:59 Till this day, one interview, one (laughs) interview before a fight when he's getting geared up and he' oh-

Terence Crawford 43:04 But you seen the look? The face.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Oh my God, he's terrifying. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 43:09 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 43:09 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 43:09 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 43:09 It's fucking terrifying when you know how hard that guy hits and he's mad at you. You're like, "Shit."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 43:14 This motherfucker about to knock me out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:15 Even if you know for sure 100% he would never do that, it's like you be- you're in a room with a lion, like, "Oh, no."

Terence Crawford 43:21 And he's aggressive.

Joe Rogan 43:22 "Please, Mr. Lion."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 43:24 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 43:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:24 "Oh, are you sure this thing's trained?"

Terence Crawford 43:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 "You sure it's not gonna eat me?" He's so, he's, there-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 43:29 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 43:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:30 What the fuck? Oh. Dude, that must have been terrifying. He's-

Terence Crawford 43:37 I'd have been like, "Please blink."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 43:38 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 43:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:39 He is fully geared up and ready for war before this fight. That is, that is hilarious. That is hilarious. So this whole division now, if you look at the heavyweight division between, you know, Andy Ruiz, who just beats Anthony Joshua, and then they're gonna try to figure out what... They were gonna try to do that in Saudi Arabia, but apparently Andy's like, "Mm. I'm gonna fight in America."

Terence Crawford 44:01 He should've took it, guys.

Joe Rogan 44:03 In Saudi Arabia?

Terence Crawford 44:04 A big, a big money fight.

Joe Rogan 44:05 I'm sure. Well, they're still gonna do it. They're just-

Terence Crawford 44:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:08 ... arguing over where it takes place.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 44:09 So, so Saudi Arabia, is it off the table now?

Joe Rogan 44:11 I don't know. This di- I d- uh, who knows, man? I mean, you guys know better than me. It's a lot of gamesmanship, right? Like we were talking about before, ego and stuff. Same kinda deal, I'm sure as the Errol Spence Jr fight, same kinda deal. They're jockeying to see who could get the... Andy's worried about him taking... (mumbles)

Terence Crawford 44:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:26 He's worried about taking some Mexican supplements-

Terence Crawford 44:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:28 ... while he's over in another country, that they won't test him.

Terence Crawford 44:30 So he should have VADA or-

Joe Rogan 44:33 Yes, right.

Terence Crawford 44:33 ... or some testing that is gonna go over there and, you know, test the fight.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah, that's, uh, that's one of the reasons why people are gonna love a dude like Andy Ruiz as a champion. Like he l- he looks like a regular folk.

Terence Crawford 44:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:46 You know? He's like a, he's got a lotta extra body fat.

Terence Crawford 44:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:49 He's a bad motherfucker, but-

Terence Crawford 44:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:50 ... you know? Anthony Joshua looks like he was made in a lab. He's got a perfect physique, you know?

Terence Crawford 44:55 Man, it's crazy how, how big that dude got.

Joe Rogan 44:58 He's huge.

Terence Crawford 44:59 'Cause man, he wasn't that big at first, but now he's slimming down.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 45:02 But I think he put on a lot of weight to, you know, carry with V- Vada-mir? Is that his name?

Joe Rogan 45:10 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 45:10 Klitschko?

Joe Rogan 45:10 Klitschko?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 45:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Is that what he put all the weight on?

Terence Crawford 45:13 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 45:13 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 What kind of testing they do before that fight?

Terence Crawford 45:16 Uh, they test you for everything.

Joe Rogan 45:18 But do they test you for everything at the weigh-ins?

Terence Crawford 45:21 No. See, see me, I'm, I'm with the VADA, uh...

Joe Rogan 45:26 You're in the full testing pool.

Terence Crawford 45:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:27 So they show up at 6:00 in the morning, the whole deal?

Terence Crawford 45:29 Yeah, and they can test though. They, they can test me right now then if they wanted to.

Joe Rogan 45:32 So they might be waiting outside right now.

Terence Crawford 45:34 It's cool 'cause I'm-

Joe Rogan 45:35 Right.

Terence Crawford 45:35 ... I'm good, so.

Joe Rogan 45:36 But when he fought, um, Wladimir and he got all big, were they, were they doing any kinda VADA testing?

Terence Crawford 45:42 See, I don't, I don't know what type of contract-

Joe Rogan 45:45 Right.

Terence Crawford 45:45 ... or what they sign for on the, on they contract, on they fight contract. But I know me, when I'm in training camp, they come whenever. They'll come 6:00 in the morning and turn around and come at 6:00 at night if they want to.

Joe Rogan 45:59 That's a, a point of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle, right? Like wh- it can make you stronger-

Terence Crawford 46:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:06 ... but that, that's gonna need a lotta oxygen too.

Terence Crawford 46:08 Facts.

Joe Rogan 46:08 And if your body's not used to it...

Terence Crawford 46:10 Facts.

Joe Rogan 46:10 ... if you, if this is over the course of a year or two, all of a sudden you got this extra muscle, like, is it you, w- are you a fan of guys lifting a lotta weights and looking that big?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 46:18 No. Hell no. L- lightweight, yeah, lightweight, just to stay strong.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah. Well, I have Evander Holyfield. We're scheduling Evander Holyfield. I'm excited, um, huge Evander Holyfield fan, but he was one of the rare guys that put on the mass and moved up from cruiserweight to heavyweight and fucking still never got tired. I mean, R- Evander never got tired.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 46:38 'Cause he put the work in.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Crazy work ethic. And he was a guy that got thick and muscular, but it didn't slow him down. It enhanced him.

Terence Crawford 46:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:45 You know? Especially when you get into, like, the Tyson fights. Like that mu- that muscle didn't hold him back at all and he was fucking jacked.

Terence Crawford 46:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:52 I mean, he was, he was in comparison to cruiserweight Evander Holyfield, you look at heavyweight Evander Holyfield, like the Riddick Bowe fights, God.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 46:59 Yeah, he did. He did swell up a lot.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Fuck, he was jacked.

Terence Crawford 47:01 He was cut though.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Yes.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:03 He was cut up.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Chiseled, yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:04 That's what, that's what Joshua should do, sh- cu- cut, cut down a little bit-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:08 ... chisel up and gets, get mobile. He's not mobile.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Do you think... And this is something, that he got mad at Lennox Lewis for saying that he needs to change camps. Do you think that makes sense?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:17 Uh, maybe just, he, he should sit down with his team and figure out where they went wrong at. I don't think about, I don't think you should change everything.

Joe Rogan 47:25 The word was that he had gotten knocked out in training.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:28 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 47:29 I heard that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:29 That was just, you heard that as well?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:30 By Joey.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Well, if Terence Crawford heard it, shit's gotta be real.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:33 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 47:34 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:34 That's what I'm saying. I'm just going, I'm go- I'm putting it on Twitter now.

Terence Crawford 47:36 (laughs) I won't say, I won't say it feels real or fake. I'm just saying I heard it.

Joe Rogan 47:39 You heard it, yeah.

Terence Crawford 47:39 You know? But you know-

Joe Rogan 47:40 Most people heard that.

Terence Crawford 47:41 ... rumors go around and everybody hear it and it's not even true.

Joe Rogan 47:45 But that could happen, right?

Terence Crawford 47:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:46 Like Richard Gere with that gerbil up his ass, remember that one?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:48 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 47:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:49 Do you remember that rumor?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:50 I heard that. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 47:51 No.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Everybody heard that. You never heard that?

Terence Crawford 47:53 He's had a gerbil up his ass? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:53 You think you heard it, right?

Terence Crawford 47:54 Yeah, I heard it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:55 Tell them, tell them the rumor.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 47:57 It's just... (laughs) I just heard the rumor. I don't know how it happened.

Joe Rogan 47:59 When we were kids, when we were kids, um, there was a rumor that Richard Gere had to go to the hospital to get a gerbil taken out of his ass.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:06 Now, (clears throat) I grew up in the East Coast. My friend Eddie grew up in California. He heard the same story. I was like, "This is the same goddamn rumor." Like how'd this rumor get across the country? We're the same age.

Terence Crawford 48:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:17 No internet. The rumor made it all the way across the country when we were in high school.

Terence Crawford 48:20 So was it true or not?

Joe Rogan 48:22 Probably not.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:22 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 48:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:23 I think you can get a gerbil out yourself. You don't need to go to a hospital.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:27 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 48:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:27 You know? That- that is not- not worth the embarrassment. You'll take some time to go to the store and buy some tweezers.

Terence Crawford 48:31 All right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 But you're, uh, you don't need to go to the hospital.

Terence Crawford 48:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:34 Just get a mirror and some tweezers. We can handle this. We don't need to let everybody know our business.

Terence Crawford 48:39 Oh, man. All right.

Joe Rogan 48:39 The other one was Rod Stewart. Rod Stewart, there was a rumor when we were in high school. It was b- pre-high school, that Rod Stewart had swallowed a bunch of jizz and had to go to the hospital to get his stomach pumped. There's probably some guy who Rod Stewart fucked his girlfriend-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... and he started spreading this rumor.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:53 You talking Rod Stewart, the, uh, the, the band guy?

Joe Rogan 48:55 Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:55 He had the... Nah, that probably is true.

Joe Rogan 48:58 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 48:58 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 49:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:00 (laughs) I don't think so because I think, look, when I hosted Fear Factor, we made people drink cum. They had to drink-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 49:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:06 ... they had to drink donkey cum. You could drink it, you could drink a lot of it and you're fine. I don't think you have to go to the hospital.

Terence Crawford 49:12 I'd have been like, "It's over with."

Joe Rogan 49:13 See, my experience on Fear Factor taught me that, uh, I don't believe that Rod Stewart ever had that real problem.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 49:19 Hey, so did you ever do any of those, uh, attempts?

Joe Rogan 49:22 I, I ate some shit. They wouldn't let me try any of the stunts because of insurance purposes or, you know, the clause in the insurance doesn't let the host just try it out for fun. Like, I wanted to drive some of the cars off buildings and shit.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 49:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:32 But they wouldn't let me do it. We had one where they hit a ramp off the top of a building, they hit a ramp and the ramp flipped the car through the air, and they flew and they landed on these cardboard boxes. They stacked these cardboard boxes up, like, several stories high and that's how they would get these cars to land softly. So the car would boom, hit the cardboard box and just slowly sink down. And then they would use a crane, flip the car over, and then they could use that car again. It didn't even get damaged.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 49:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 49:59 So these people would fly this fucking car. It looked like the craziest amusement park ride ever.

Terence Crawford 50:03 And you wanted to do it?

Joe Rogan 50:04 Oh, fuck yeah I wanted to do it, man.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 50:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:06 I'm like, "Come on, let me do that one. It looks easy." I'm like, "I'll do it for the promo, like, come on."

Terence Crawford 50:12 I'd be, I'd be cool with jumping out the plane.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah, we didn't do any of that, but we did have people bungee cord jump, um, off of a fucking helicopter. That was crazy. We had, uh, people with a cord that was attached to a helicopter and then they were hooked up to a tree, and they had to unlock themselves from the tree. They had like a key, a ring of keys. They had to find the right key in a certain amount of time.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 50:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:32 And then when they did it, they unlocked and twang, they went flying through the air 'cause they were attached to a bungee cord. And the bungee cord was underneath a helicopter and it would go fucking launching them out into the middle of this crazy canyon. I was like, "Oh my God, someone's gonna die. Someone's gonna die. This isn't worth it. This job's not worth it."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 50:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:48 There was a couple times where I thought someone was gonna die.

Terence Crawford 50:50 Yeah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Stupid. Ridiculous. I'm glad, I'm glad we got through it with nobody getting hurt. It was like, "Woo."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 50:55 Who, who, who all came up with the, uh, the stunts and all that?

Joe Rogan 50:58 There was a bunch of people. They had a whole team. There's teams of people that came up with the eating stunts, there were the B-team stunt guys, and then the A-team stunt guys was the first, first stunt, and then there was the C, which was like the big championship finale thing. It's a ridiculous show.

Terence Crawford 51:12 That's tight.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:13 Man, I used to watch that show all the time.

Terence Crawford 51:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Mm-hmm.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:15 All the time.

Joe Rogan 51:16 I can't even believe it's real. I watch it to this day. I was like, "Is that really me?"

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:20 What is that? So long ago.

Terence Crawford 51:22 Uh, I remember I used to watch Jackass. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:26 Jackass is amazing those guys are alive.

Terence Crawford 51:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:29 Steve-O's so healthy, he's fine.

Terence Crawford 51:31 They're talking about making a fourth movie.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Oh, no.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:34 Oh, man.

Terence Crawford 51:34 Yeah. Hey, they used to be fucking-

Joe Rogan 51:35 They're rolling that dice. They're rolling that dice. Someone's gonna die.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:38 Damn.

Joe Rogan 51:39 That's crazy, that-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:40 I only seen attempts at it.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Johnny Knoxville was a movie star for a while.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Right? Is he still doing big movies?

Terence Crawford 51:46 I think so.

Joe Rogan 51:47 He was doing big movies and then he was still willing to let a, a bull hit him. He put a blindfold on and stood in front of a bull and the bull just-

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:55 ... fucking launched him through the air (mimics air whooshing) blindfolded.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 51:57 That's just dumb as shit.

Joe Rogan 51:58 That's the dumbest fucking thing.

Terence Crawford 51:59 That's why they call it Jackass. (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:01 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 52:01 (laughs) They used to do a whole bunch of that.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Those guys got fucked up, man. I mean, that is, they're s- they're taking some beatings, I mean, like real beating.

Terence Crawford 52:08 Just so we can laugh at them.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 52:12 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 52:13 See, what you do is control who gets fucked up.

Terence Crawford 52:16 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:16 That's what I like about boxing. When I watch Boxing Express at the highest level, it's like one guy's controlling who gets fucked up, you know?

Terence Crawford 52:24 Yeah. Whether the other guy like it or not.

Joe Rogan 52:26 Whether the other guy likes it or not.

Terence Crawford 52:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Who was that, the Mexican gentleman that you fought recently that was talking a lot of shit and you stopped him?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:33 Benavidez.

Terence Crawford 52:34 Benavidez.

Joe Rogan 52:34 That's right.

Terence Crawford 52:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:35 That, that seemed like a particularly satisfying one for you.

Terence Crawford 52:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:39 'Cause there was a lot of shit talking leading up to that fight.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:41 You talk a lot of shit, man.

Terence Crawford 52:43 For years.

Joe Rogan 52:43 There's certain times we watch guys talk shit and I go, "Son."

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:47 "Son, slow down."

Terence Crawford 52:49 (Laughs) Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 52:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:49 "This is, this is not a good idea."

Terence Crawford 52:52 But it just came outta nowhere, like, I never said nothing to that dude, never did nothing to that dude, like, and he just out the blue just for years, like, I'm ducking him. I'm like, "Dude, you went up in weight, I'm at 140." Like, when I was at 135 he was talking about fighting me. He was at 140. I got up to 140, he won a little fight and then he moved up in weight and I'm like, "Dude, like, you're nobody for me to be worried about." So then it got to the point where he was like, "Oh, well, they made me an offer to fight you and you ducked me," and this... So he started telling everybody I ducked him, I've been ducking him since 140, so. In the press conference I said, "Did y'all ever offer me or him a fight, to fight each other?" And they was like, "No." So, so where he come up with that at? He's like, "Well, it don't matter, we fighting right now, so I'm sorry."

Joe Rogan 53:45 It was a good fight.

Terence Crawford 53:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:47 It was a good fight. It was a good fight, too, to showcase you, you know, particularly the knockout. And that was a beautiful combination, man, when, when you clipped him.

Terence Crawford 53:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:55 And then he gets up and then you put him away. When you watch a fight like that where you have a guy who talks shit and then you wind up fucking him up, is it ever more satisfying?

Terence Crawford 54:03 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:04 'Cause you seem to enjoy it. It's like-

Terence Crawford 54:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:06 ... the best fighters enjoy putting a beating on someone.

Terence Crawford 54:09 Of course. Like-

Joe Rogan 54:10 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 54:12 ... going into the fight, I had to calm my emotions down.

Joe Rogan 54:17 'Cause of the anger?

Terence Crawford 54:18 Right, right.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 54:18 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 54:18 Because I really wanted to hurt that dude.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 54:20 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 54:21 You know, so going into the fight, I gotta keep reminding myself, "Stay calm, relax, don't go in there and do nothing stupid 'cause this is what he wants you to do and you've been here before. You know, there's nothing new." You done had people talk crazy to you, but not to the level that he did, but you done had people talk crazy to you. So that's why when I first got in there, I was being patient, taking my time, and just feeling him out. You know, 'cause he's long, he's tall, he's long, he got some speed on him, but he's a naturally, uh, counter puncher. So it was like I wasn't gonna go in there and be careless and get countered 'cause I already knew what he wanted to do.

Joe Rogan 55:02 So when you, when you see a guy, a guy like that and you're fighting him, what, what is the strat- like, is this a different strategy than a normal fighter because of the length and the counter-punching ability?

Terence Crawford 55:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:12 So you have to adjust.

Terence Crawford 55:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:13 So what is, what was your plan going in there?

Terence Crawford 55:16 Well, see me, I got long arms to be in the division and my height, so I was just like, "All right, just pick him apart." You know? And then once you go into your combinations, make sure you throw more than once because he gonna counter that first one properly.

Joe Rogan 55:33 And when you watch the fight, you feel like that's exactly what you were plan- preparing for?

Terence Crawford 55:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Wh- now when you see Errol Spence (clears throat) , excuse me. When you see Errol Spence Jr., does he represent to you like, the, one of the, the best of the up and coming guys that are, that are possibly on your radar at least?

Terence Crawford 55:51 I really can't say that, you know, because Errol, this is the first real big test that he's up against.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 55:59 You know, um-

Joe Rogan 56:00 His last fight was with, uh-

Terence Crawford 56:02 Mikey Garcia.

Joe Rogan 56:03 That was a good fight. I mean, that-

Terence Crawford 56:04 Yeah, but Mi-

Joe Rogan 56:04 ... that was a good test.

Terence Crawford 56:05 ... Mikey's a smaller guy.

Joe Rogan 56:06 It's true.

Terence Crawford 56:07 You know, uh, Mikey came from, what, 126?

Joe Rogan 56:11 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 56:11 You know, um, he's what? 5'6"?

Joe Rogan 56:15 When you see the two of them at the weigh-ins, you really can see the difference.

Terence Crawford 56:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:19 (coughs) And the size of Errol. I mean, Errol's ripped.

Terence Crawford 56:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:22 You know.

Terence Crawford 56:22 So, uh, that's, that's why I say you really can't tell with Mikey Garcia. Don't get me wrong, Mikey's a hell of a fighter, you know, but that's his first fight in the division. Uh, he's a smaller guy, he's short, his arms is shorter, Errol taller, longer, bigger, you know, so faster. So he, he really couldn't... I really couldn't see what I was trying to see out of Mikey Garcia.

Joe Rogan 56:47 So Mikey went up just because it was a big fight, right?

Terence Crawford 56:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Do... Is he gonna stay there, do you think? Or is he gonna-

Terence Crawford 56:51 Uh, yes, I believe he's gonna fight Danny Garcia.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Oh, interesting, interesting. Well, there's so many different outlets for boxing now, you know? You know, there's PBC, there's Fox, there's... You know, ESPN is putting on high caliber fights now too.

Terence Crawford 57:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:05 It's very interesting. Uh, but HBO's out of the game. Doesn't that feel weird?

Terence Crawford 57:09 It does, being that, that, that was the go-to channel to watch, uh, boxing when I was coming up. Only people you had on Showtime was Mike Tyson.

Joe Rogan 57:18 And it was the best commentary crew too. It was Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman, Roy Jones Jr., sometimes George Foreman.

Terence Crawford 57:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:25 You know, Larry Merchant-

Terence Crawford 57:26 Emanuel Stewart.

Joe Rogan 57:27 ... when he was doing it. Yeah, man.

Terence Crawford 57:28 Emanuel Stewart.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Emanuel Stewart and Harold Letterman would come in between rounds-

Terence Crawford 57:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:32 ... and tell... give you his score.

Terence Crawford 57:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:33 It was fucking great. I miss that.

Terence Crawford 57:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Don't you miss that? I mean-

Terence Crawford 57:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 ... Harold Letterman, rest in peace. He passed away recently. Um, didn't he? Did, right?

Terence Crawford 57:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He passed.

Joe Rogan 57:41 He did, he did. Um, but I, I miss that man. Jim Lampley was fucking great and Max Kellerman was great. It's like you don't have that... There's not a commentary team like that right now in, in boxing.

Terence Crawford 57:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Is there? Am I, am I wrong?

Terence Crawford 57:54 No, not to the, to the level of their expertise.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Why don't they have those guys go over to one of these streaming services like DAZN or ESPN or something? It just seems like that's the team, right?

Terence Crawford 58:05 Yeah. Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 58:05 Andre Ward. Andre Ward's fantastic at it.

Terence Crawford 58:08 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:08 He's coming on here too.

Terence Crawford 58:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:09 I'm excited to have him on.

Terence Crawford 58:10 Andre Ward, uh, Andre Ward-

Guest 58:11 Tim Bradley's gr- Tim Bradley coming along pretty good too.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Yes.

Guest 58:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Very good. Yeah, I mean-

Guest 58:15 He's taking... He's taken... Look like he's taking that role of, uh, Teddy Atlas.

Terence Crawford 58:19 Yeah.

Guest 58:19 It's like he got all that energy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yes. Well, Teddy's fucking... What a character that guy is.

Guest 58:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:26 You know? Character, story.

Terence Crawford 58:27 Hey, Teddy. He get, he get in his-

Guest 58:29 He's amazing.

Terence Crawford 58:29 He get in his role.

Guest 58:30 "We're firemen! We run to the fire!" (laughs)

Terence Crawford 58:36 Teddy get in his role.

Joe Rogan 58:36 He's like, "Oh my God, I'd rather get out there and fight."

Guest 58:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:39 "He's screaming out, I was getting fucking scared."

Guest 58:42 It's funny how he'll say on, on air, "These judges need to be fired."

Terence Crawford 58:47 Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

Guest 58:48 "Hello? What fight is they looking at?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:50 He doesn't give a fuck. He got so-

Guest 58:51 No, hell no.

Joe Rogan 58:51 ... furious at bad decisions, and he's right. He's right sometimes, you know? He's right.

Terence Crawford 58:55 He was wrong about that Jeff Horn fight.

Joe Rogan 58:57 The Jeff Horn Pacquiao fight?

Terence Crawford 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Is that the one he freaked out?

Terence Crawford 59:00 I watched it again.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Is that one of the ones he freaked out?

Terence Crawford 59:01 Yeah, that's when he freaked out.

Joe Rogan 59:02 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 59:02 I watched... I- when I first watched it, you know, listening to the commentary, I was like, "Man, Pacquiao whooping him." You know what I mean? "Why they, why they, why they, why they cheat him?" You know?

Guest 59:12 Mm.

Terence Crawford 59:13 'Cause I wanted to fight Pacquiao because I was the next in line-

Guest 59:16 Of course.

Terence Crawford 59:16 ... to fight the champion. So of course I'm rooting for Pacquiao to win 'cause that's a bigger fight, but after watching the fight again, I was like, "They not saying nothing about all them shots Jeff Horn was hitting Pacquiao with." And he was just-

Guest 59:29 Mm.

Terence Crawford 59:29 ... brutally bullying him, roughing him up. Uh, they can say, "Oh, he was being dirty." Sometimes he'll headbutt, but it's a fight. That's gonna happen, you know, but he was real life manhandling Pacquiao, like pushing him all around. And you see Keith Thurman couldn't even do that.

Joe Rogan 59:46 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 59:47 You know, and it's-

Joe Rogan 59:48 Seeing him beat Keith Thurman at 40 years old, like, goddamn this guy's great. I mean-

Terence Crawford 59:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:54 ... just look at his career. With eight different weight classes? World titles in?

Terence Crawford 59:58 Eight. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Eight. Eight different weight classes. 40 years old, beats Keith Thurman, who was in his prime.

Terence Crawford 1:00:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Crazy. I mean, wha- what a man. I mean, what a w- what a world champion, and-

Guest 1:00:09 Well, he sure turned back the hands of time on that one.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 That's so fucking crazy.

Terence Crawford 1:00:12 He did. Didn't he? And he fought in spurts. Both of 'em-

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:00:15 ... fought, fought in spurts and I thought Keith was gonna pick up on it, but Pacquiao was only fighting, fighting the end of the round.

Guest 1:00:22 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:00:22 Like Keith would come on strong at the beginning of the round and they would be like, "All right, Keith winning, winning this round." And then Pacquiao would just be like...

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:00:31 Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then Keith would be like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 (laughs)

Guest 1:00:34 (Laughs) Like, "Oh, man."

Terence Crawford 1:00:35 I didn't even see the fight.

Guest 1:00:36 But when he dropped him with that right hook early in the first, you're like-

Terence Crawford 1:00:40 It's like a right jab.

Guest 1:00:41 ... "Oh, shit."

Terence Crawford 1:00:42 Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

Guest 1:00:43 Yeah, I was like...

Terence Crawford 1:00:43 No, it was like a... He jumped in with the left and then followed by like a straight right.

Guest 1:00:49 It was crazy.

Terence Crawford 1:00:49 Yeah.

Guest 1:00:50 It was crazy. It's like, "Wow! He went-

Terence Crawford 1:00:52 That's his plans.

Guest 1:00:52 ... over the shoulder." Yep.

Terence Crawford 1:00:53 That's his plans.

Guest 1:00:54 Yep.

Terence Crawford 1:00:54 They were showing him hitting other fighters with it the same thing.

Guest 1:00:58 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:00:58 (imitates punching sounds)

Guest 1:01:00 He has such a unique style.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 (laughs)

Guest 1:01:02 The leaping and firing style.

Terence Crawford 1:01:03 What, what, what, what would you have did if he came in with that shit on you? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 (laughs)

Guest 1:01:12 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:01:13 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:01:13 Oh, man. (laughs) Nah, but I give- I take my hat off to Pacquiao. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Do you think it's possible that you could get a crack at him now?

Terence Crawford 1:01:21 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 'Cause now there- he's, you know, he's in the hunt right now, right?

Terence Crawford 1:01:25 I wouldn't- I wouldn't say- I wouldn't say so because I was in the mentions and talk to fight Pacquiao since 2014. And we was in the same promotional company, and they couldn't make it happen. So-

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Do you think it's because he's not interested in it?

Terence Crawford 1:01:41 I don't think he was interested in it because his coach, uh, mentioned numerous of times he didn't want him to fight me.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:01:48 And he wanted him to stay away from me.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:01:51 So I don't think that was interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah. Well, I could see that at this stage of his career, but you know, Keith Thurman is a fucking murderous puncher.

Terence Crawford 1:02:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Which wa- was one of the reasons why it's more impressive that he beat him. And so who are they talking about Pacquiao matching up with next?

Terence Crawford 1:02:07 Uh, he chasing the Mayweather fight.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Of course. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:02:10 (laughs) So-

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Why not?

Terence Crawford 1:02:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Floyd, come on. I know you love money. He was saying that he thinks Floyd's outta money already 'cause he says Floyd spends so much money he's probably already out of it. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:02:19 Well, he's spending money too. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 He is?

Terence Crawford 1:02:20 ... Pacquiao's spending more money than Floyd on everybody else.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Really, bro? Oh, that's right 'cause he's got like 50 people-

Terence Crawford 1:02:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 ... that he just like has supported. Yeah, I mean, he's a- he's an interesting guy, man, 'cause he's so friendly.

Terence Crawford 1:02:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 You know? Like Pa- even like when people are trash-talking, he's like smiling and then he gets in that ring.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:02:36 He'll kick your ass later. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Different- different fucking dude-

Terence Crawford 1:02:39 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 ... once he steps through that roast, like there's a whole different set of rules he's-

Terence Crawford 1:02:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 ... flying with.

Terence Crawford 1:02:44 Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:02:45 ... Keith Thurman talking about how he gonna crucify him and stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:02:48 ... like that. And he's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Ooh, don't say that. Yeah.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:02:50 (laughs) That's okay. Thank you.

Terence Crawford 1:02:51 And got crucified.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Yeah. But he's-

Terence Crawford 1:02:53 I wish you the best too.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... super religious too. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:02:54 Good luck in that fight.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:02:55 (laughs) Good luck. Good luck in that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 He's a killer pool player. Did you know that about Pacquiao?

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:03:00 No, I didn't.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Like world class. Like he could play pool professionally.

Terence Crawford 1:03:05 Me too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Really?

Terence Crawford 1:03:06 Yeah, I be too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 You can play? Oh, we gotta play then.

Terence Crawford 1:03:08 Yeah, I heard you got-

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:03:09 ... got your little personal sticks.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 I'm pretty good. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:03:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 You good?

Terence Crawford 1:03:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Okay. What kind- what do you play?

Terence Crawford 1:03:14 Whatever you wanna play.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 You play like nine ball, 10 ball?

Terence Crawford 1:03:16 Whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 Okay, we'll play. Cool.

Terence Crawford 1:03:17 You can... Hey, so if I leave five balls on the table, you owe me.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 If you leave-

Terence Crawford 1:03:25 Five of your balls on the table.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 ... five balls on the ta- my ba- what? We were playing eight-ball?

Terence Crawford 1:03:29 We can play eight-ball.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 That's nonsense. That's a nonsense game. Eight-ball, that's a silly game. You're trying to get me-

Terence Crawford 1:03:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 ... leave my balls on the table? Why would I do that?

Terence Crawford 1:03:36 No, I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:03:38 ... if- if I win-

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 If you take your balls.

Terence Crawford 1:03:40 If I win-

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Okay.

Terence Crawford 1:03:41 ... and you still got five balls on your table, five- five of your balls.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 If you-

Terence Crawford 1:03:46 You got seven balls if we're playing eight-ball.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 Okay. So the only way that I win w- w- explain what you're saying?

Terence Crawford 1:03:52 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 (clears throat)

Terence Crawford 1:03:53 ... you got seven balls to start.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Okay.

Terence Crawford 1:03:56 If I beat you and you still got five of your balls on the table-

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Okay.

Terence Crawford 1:04:00 ... then you owe.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Owe what?

Terence Crawford 1:04:03 Whatever-

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 So if you mean, if you break and run out and I don't get a shot.

Terence Crawford 1:04:06 No, that's seven ball then.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 If you get all the balls?

Terence Crawford 1:04:09 Yeah, that's seven ball.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 But if I have five balls left-

Terence Crawford 1:04:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 ... and you win.

Terence Crawford 1:04:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 What does that... What kind of weird game is that?

Terence Crawford 1:04:16 You didn't- you ain't getting it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 I'm not getting it.

Terence Crawford 1:04:18 So if I win and you still got five balls on the table.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Okay, then what happens?

Terence Crawford 1:04:23 You owe.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 I owe what?

Terence Crawford 1:04:24 A ball.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 But if we play... But see if we play-

Terence Crawford 1:04:26 A pot.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 ... nine ball or 10 ball, you can't win if there's five balls left on the table.

Terence Crawford 1:04:29 No, no, no, no, no, 9-ball and 10 ball, that's different.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 But that's what we're saying.

Terence Crawford 1:04:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 So you're saying like if we play eight-ball.

Terence Crawford 1:04:35 But I don't like playing that 'cause that's tricky.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah, it's tricky.

Terence Crawford 1:04:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 You gotta play.

Terence Crawford 1:04:38 That's the strategy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 You gotta learn how to play.

Terence Crawford 1:04:40 That's the strategy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Yeah, yeah. You gotta learn how to get out.

Terence Crawford 1:04:42 Yeah. I'll hit all of them and miss the last one.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 We can play eight-ball though. That's so cool.

Terence Crawford 1:04:47 And you-

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 I like eight-ball. It's okay, but it's a simpler game.

Terence Crawford 1:04:49 And you pop me for the last shot.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I leave you hanging.

Terence Crawford 1:04:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 You fuck up, leave that 10 ball wobbling in the hole.

Terence Crawford 1:04:55 Yeah. Like, "He done did all this for nothing."

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 I've done that before.

Terence Crawford 1:04:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 It's very heartbreaking. It's very heartbreaking. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:05:00 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 It's the worst way to lose a game.

Terence Crawford 1:05:02 Hey, yo, I swear it's like all that for nothing. And the- and the guy, "Thank you for cleaning it up."

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:05:08 Now let me win.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 That's a game that no one wants to lose to a girl. Like it's hilarious watching dudes play pool against women. When women are good, they panic, they start getting nervous. Like there's something about losing to a girl. It's almost like getting your ass kicked by a girl. So-

Terence Crawford 1:05:21 Some of 'em cold. I done seen some girls at the pool hall-

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Oh, yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:05:25 ... taking a lot of money.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Oh, for sure. Yeah. There's- there's like elite women players.

Terence Crawford 1:05:31 You know what I do to- to eliminate that?

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 What?

Terence Crawford 1:05:34 I just be like, "Nah, I'm gonna let y'all play." (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:05:37 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:05:37 Especially when you watching them and then they try to, "Hey, I got next?" I'ma be like, "Yeah, y'all- y'all can play." 'Cause it ain't- it ain't for me to be getting washed up by no female.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Well, any- any professional. I've played a lot of professionals, like because it's one of the weird sports that you can enter into a tournament and you- you could be a guy who, you know, has a full time job and you might wind up matching up with like Efren Reyes, who's like the greatest player of all time. You might meet him in the first round of a tournament. You both-

Terence Crawford 1:06:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 All you have to do is pay your fee and then you pay your entry fee, you join in just like everybody else and you're playing like a world champ, like the Terence Crawford of pool.

Terence Crawford 1:06:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Like, whoa. And you can just be some regular dude playing Efren Reyes.

Terence Crawford 1:06:13 But it's cool that you can be like, "Man, I lost to-"

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:06:16 "... one of the greatest."

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Lost to one of the greatest of all time.

Terence Crawford 1:06:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah, I've played a bunch of like great play- I played Mike Seiger before. I got to play a bunch of like great players, get my ass kicked by 'em.

Terence Crawford 1:06:25 Right.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:06:25 You a professional pool player?

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 No, no, I'm quite a bit like below. Like if you had like, uh, Manny Pacquiao, he could play professional, he would beat me. I'm like one notch below that.

Terence Crawford 1:06:36 I'm probably like a notch below that, two notch below that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:06:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 But Manny like plays in tournaments. He gambles. They call him, unfortunately, they call him The Cow 'cause they're always milking him. (laughs)

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:06:47 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:06:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 'Cause he's real high level pool players, man. I mean, he's... Man, he's too busy with running the country. I mean, he is a fucking senator. On top of that, he's one of the best boxers in the world. And on top of that, he's got a family. He doesn't have time to be at the pool hall 10 hours a day.

Terence Crawford 1:07:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 All those psychopaths that are like world champions, they play pool eight, 10 hours a day.

Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre 1:07:06 Shh.

Terence Crawford 1:07:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 They play all day long, all day long. You go there, you'll find 'em. That's where they're at.

Terence Crawford 1:07:10 (laughs) He say you go there, you'll find 'em.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 They're- they're there every fucking day. Everybody that I know that's like elite world class pool player, like Mika Immonen, and you know, these kind of guys, you go there, they're- they're at the goddamn pool hall every day.

Terence Crawford 1:07:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 No money in that shit, though. You think there's no money in UFC? There's no money in that shit.

Terence Crawford 1:07:26 There's a lot of