JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford

1. 0:01 – 2:41

   Crawford’s stance-switching style and reading opponents in real time

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best boxers on planet Earth and his trainer, (slaps table) Bo Mack and Terence Crawford. Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming here.

   2. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre0:09

      Thank you, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      We're live now.

   4. TCTerence Crawford0:10

      Appreciate it, appreciate it. (laughs)

   5. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre0:11

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours. I've... We've talked about you many times on this podcast. I'm a, I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances. You know, you switch, s- switch stances as smooth as anybody ever. Like f- like, you gotta go back to Marvin Hagler to find a champ that switched stances like as fluidly as you. It's pretty, pretty impressive stuff, man.

   7. TCTerence Crawford0:31

      A lot of practice.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Have you always been doing that?

   9. TCTerence Crawford0:32

      A lot of practice. Yeah, since I was little. I remember getting in trouble 'cause I used to always switch 'em. My coach used to always say, "You need to worry about fighting-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs)

   11. TCTerence Crawford0:41

       "...the one style first and perfecting that before you try to, try to, uh, switch and do a different style." But I always switched, so it got to the point where there was just like, "All right, well, if you gonna fight like that, we gonna train you like that."

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Wow, so you forced it through.

   13. TCTerence Crawford0:57

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Wow. Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that influenced you to switch like that, or was it just something you felt naturally?

   15. TCTerence Crawford1:03

       It was just naturally.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Wow.

   17. TCTerence Crawford1:05

       It was just like, "All right, this not working, so I gotta do something else."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Just make it more tricky.

   19. TCTerence Crawford1:09

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yeah, well, that's, that's part of what's interesting about watching you fights... Wa- Watching you fight is that you could see you trying to figure out what's up. Like, first rounds with... when, when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch 'cause I see you measuring dudes, I see things happening, and you're switching stances, and then when you start finding the timing. It's like, timing is one of the more fascinating things to watch about boxing, 'cause a guy who has perfect timing and perfect p- Like, when you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect, it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports.

   21. TCTerence Crawford1:42

       Right, right. It's like you, you know, you watching their every move and then you just dissecting 'em slowly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       How do you think... Do you think about it like... When you, when you start a round, a, a first round of a fight, is it different for every fighter, or do you always wanna do that? Do you always wanna, like, put them into the computer?

   23. TCTerence Crawford2:00

       No, it's different, it's different. Like, sometimes I just wanna go out there and just be like, "All right, I'm gonna see what this dude got, see if he can take it."

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Just go right to him?

   25. TCTerence Crawford2:08

       Yeah. And then sometimes I just be like, "All right, I'm gonna take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he like to do and what he d- don't like to do, or see if I move this way, his reaction." Just certain things.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       It's, uh, you know... Well, you came to the UFC this weekend, and, uh, you know, obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take away all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of ex- exchanges and punches.

2. 2:41 – 4:20

   Boxing heroes, film study, and staying out of trouble through the gym

   1. TCTerence Crawford2:41

      (coughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      And you get to see with guys like you, guys like Canelo or Floyd or the, the top level boxers, you get to see what's possible with guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters. I mean, when you were growing up, who... What was the, the fighter that influenced you the most?

   3. TCTerence Crawford2:58

      Well, hands down, Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      Everybody did.

   5. TCTerence Crawford3:09

      ... was a fan of Roy. But set aside Roy, I always watched Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      Yes.

   7. TCTerence Crawford3:17

      Uh, I was too young for Sugar Ray Leonard and them, so...

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      I'm old enough for that.

   9. TCTerence Crawford3:23

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       I, I was there for the Sugar Ray Leonard days, I was there for Sugar Ray Tommy Hearns, the, the, the, the Sugar Ray Duran. I, I was there for all that stuff.

   11. TCTerence Crawford3:30

       But I, I, I watched everything. Uh, when I was a... when I was young, my coach, Mitch Minor, he used to always take me to his house and watch boxing tapes. That was to keep me off, off the streets and keep me out of trouble until I went to the gym.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Is he still around?

   13. TCTerence Crawford3:46

       Nah, he passed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Damn, he probably like, "Look at that."

   15. TCTerence Crawford3:49

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       "Boy, did that work out." (laughs)

   17. TCTerence Crawford3:52

       (laughs)

   18. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre3:52

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       You know, we talk about an investment in time.

   20. TCTerence Crawford3:54

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       That, that worked out tremendously. Yeah, the, the... It's always... Uh, in our culture, there's a special place for the highest level of boxers. There's like a special place of, uh, admiration. And I just feel like with guys like Lomachenko, with guys like you, with Canelo and Triple G, this is a great time for boxing. It's fun to watch, man. There's so many... Errol Spence Jr., there's so many elite boxers right now. It's like a really exciting time.

   22. TCTerence Crawford4:18

       For sure, for sure.

3. 4:20 – 8:03

   Legacy talk: Hall of Fame confidence and the Spence fight business barrier

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      Do you recognize your place in history? Do you recognize that, like, you're, you're a special dude?

   2. TCTerence Crawford4:25

      Of course, of course. Like, I always tell people when they, uh, mention me and Errol Spence, "You know, of course I want to fight," I tell everybody that. I always say, "With or without him, I'm going to the Hall of Fame." When you look at all the things that I've accomplished in the sport of boxing, people that's in the Hall of Fame didn't even accomplish that. You know, so I was... I just tell people, "I don't need him, he really need me."

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      Well, we need it.

   4. TCTerence Crawford4:54

      (laughs)

   5. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre4:55

      (laughs)

   6. TCTerence Crawford4:55

      Boxing... Right? Don't you agree?

   7. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre4:56

      Yeah, boxing do need that fight.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:58

      Boxing needs it. I mean, that's one of the beau- beautiful things about when Canelo and Triple G do get together, is you see these guys in their respective weight classes that are in their prime. It's fun. You know, like, that's what everybody wants to see.

   9. TCTerence Crawford5:09

      That's what it's all about.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       That's the fight, right?

   11. TCTerence Crawford5:10

       That's what it's all about.

   12. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:11

       And to stop a whole lot of barber- barbershop conversations.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       Yes.

   14. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:14

       (laughs)

   15. TCTerence Crawford5:15

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       We need to stop a whole lot of comedy club conversations-

   17. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:17

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       ... barbershop, garage, everywhere. Yeah, that's the, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right?

   19. TCTerence Crawford5:23

       For sure.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       What's hold... What's the holdup?

   21. TCTerence Crawford5:27

       You gotta ask them.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       Oh, it's them.

   23. TCTerence Crawford5:29

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Well, everybody has to hold out a little bit, right, to get the best deal, right?

   25. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:33

       Yeah, that's cool, that's cool.

   26. TCTerence Crawford5:34

       So, you know, uh, it's, it's all about business, but at the same time, uh, my side of, of the deal is ready whenever.

   27. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:43

       And you can see all the interviews out there, man. You can see where if it's Terence or myself or Bob or anybody that's affiliated with Team Crawford, we all say we want the fight, you know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       Yeah.

   29. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre5:57

       We could have a fight tomorrow, you know, if we wanted to. So... But we know in reality it won't happen-

   30. TCTerence Crawford6:04

       But- (laughs)
4. 8:03 – 11:24

   After retirement: giving back through a home gym and working with kids

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:03

      What about after you're done? When, when your career's over, when you've retired, do you think you'd do some promoting then or training? What would you do?

   2. TCTerence Crawford8:09

      No, I'd just be l- uh, in my gym back at home, you know. My coach got us a gym and just put my time and effort into the kids in the gym and my five kids that I have.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      Beautiful. Yeah. That's a, that's a, that's a solid plan. You know? You don't need to get involved in that promoting shit.

   4. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre8:27

      Now, he, he, he do get in the gym sometimes and, and work with the fighters.

   5. TCTerence Crawford8:31

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:31

      Do you?

   7. TCTerence Crawford8:31

      Yeah.

   8. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre8:32

      Yeah.

   9. TCTerence Crawford8:32

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Why is that funny?

   11. TCTerence Crawford8:33

       Because it's, it's funny to see him work with them because after about two rounds, he goes, "I can't do this shit, man."

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       (laughs)

   13. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre8:42

       (laughs)

   14. TCTerence Crawford8:42

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       'Cause they're not listening?

   16. TCTerence Crawford8:43

       No, man. It's like you telling them over and over-

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       Mm-hmm.

   18. TCTerence Crawford8:46

       ... to do one little simple thing and like ... Just say you tell them, "Keep your right hand up."

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Right.

   20. TCTerence Crawford8:51

       And they keep going like this.

   21. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre8:53

       (laughs)

   22. TCTerence Crawford8:53

       Keep it like ...

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Are you talking about brand new people?

   24. TCTerence Crawford8:55

       Like, yeah, like even-

   25. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre8:56

       Oh.

   26. TCTerence Crawford8:56

       Even, even boxers that's been boxing for years that they really don't have the fundamentals down to a T. And you're like, "Dude, you've been boxing too long for you to still be making the same mistake."

   27. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre9:09

       Mm.

   28. TCTerence Crawford9:09

       And it's like, I only could say certain things for so c- for certain learn- for c- for certain learning. And then it's just like, all right, I ain't saying it no more.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       Well, yeah, your opinion is as valuable as anybody alive. You're one of the best fucking boxers ever. So you're a, a beginning boxer and Terence Crawford's teaching you something, you're not listening?

   30. TCTerence Crawford9:31

       You're probably nervous as shit.
5. 11:24 – 16:27

   Work ethic as the separator: lessons from Floyd and building a complete engine

   1. TCTerence Crawford11:24

      And that's one thing I took from Floyd Mayweather. You will always see him-

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:28

      Yep.

   3. TCTerence Crawford11:28

      ... working out.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:29

      Yeah.

   5. TCTerence Crawford11:29

      I don't care if he was at a, a bar, you'll see him running from the bar. He got his little workout clothes in his little TMT, uh, van, and he just run home.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:41

      Yeah.

   7. TCTerence Crawford11:41

      Like, or you'll see him 3:00 in the morning, "Man, let's go work out." You know? And that's what I admire the most of is his work ethic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:49

      His work ethic's off the chart. This is the only way you be that good. There's no other way. I mean, yeah, he understands boxing at a level that, I mean, he grew up with it, having his dad and his uncle and all that. The, the family was ... So many great boxers around him all the time. But he ... You don't get that good without i- insane work ethic.

   9. TCTerence Crawford12:07

      There's no-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       There's no shortcuts.

   11. TCTerence Crawford12:08

       No, not at all. I, I have never seen nobody ...Like, put as much work in as Floyd. So that's why, you know, for me, I'm like thinking to myself, "I gotta work twice as harder, you know, if I wanna get above him." Because I never wanna be like anybody. I always wanna be myself, but I wanna surpass the people that was in front of me.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       Was it, um, eye-opening when you got to watch him train?

   13. TCTerence Crawford12:38

       Of course, of course. You know, when I was younger, it lets me know that I wasn't working as hard.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Yeah.

   15. TCTerence Crawford12:46

       So now, when, when fighters come to my camp or I bring in some sparring partners or some friends that's professional that just wanna, you know, come to camp and just experience just being in camp with a world champion, they all say the same thing. "Man, I thought I was working hard 'til I came up here, man. You work, man, you work too hard." And, and it ain't f- for some people, 'cause some people they just be like, "Oh, I can't do it today." Like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       (laughs)

   17. TCTerence Crawford13:13

       ... "Nah, I'ma let y'all do them two. I'ma go to the gym, but I ain't gonna do the other stuff." And I just be like, "Man, come on, man." They be like, "Man, my body." Be like, "Man, see, that's what's gonna determine winning and losing, you complaining about your body when you can rest later, you know?"

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Right. What other stuff are you trying to get- get them to do? I know you do a lot of stair running, right?

   19. TCTerence Crawford13:33

       I do a lot of everything. I do yoga, I do-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Do you really?

   21. TCTerence Crawford13:37

       ... strength conditioning. I do swimming.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Hot yoga, too.

   23. TCTerence Crawford13:40

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       You do hot yoga? I love that.

   25. TCTerence Crawford13:41

       Hey, Joe, I used to do it too, dog. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       (laughs)

   27. TCTerence Crawford13:45

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       I believe you.

   29. TCTerence Crawford13:47

       Man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       Listen, man. Everybody can do it.
6. 16:27 – 18:11

   Kids’ sports, MMA vs boxing damage, and how fighters know when to stop

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:27

      And your kids are wrestlers, right?

   2. TCTerence Crawford16:28

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:29

      That's awesome.

   4. TCTerence Crawford16:30

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:31

      Do you think your kids will ever fight MMA?

   6. TCTerence Crawford16:33

      Nah. Actually, I'm on ... I'm trying to convert 'em to baseball.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:36

      Really?

   8. TCTerence Crawford16:37

      Probably in the next year. You know, because it ain't, it ain't that much money in wrestling.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:42

      It's true.

   10. TCTerence Crawford16:42

       You know, when you look at the MMA fighters, uh, they ain't making a lot of money to get beat up like they getting beat up. Like, look at, uh, Pettis. He broke his feet, right? You know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       He ... Yeah, it looked like he broke one of his ankles, maybe.

   12. TCTerence Crawford16:57

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Or at least hurt it.

   14. TCTerence Crawford16:59

       I'm pretty sure he didn't make over $300,000 for that shot. That fight.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       I'd like to know. See if they find out how much Anthony Pettis made for that fight.

   16. GUGuest17:08

       He did break his foot.

   17. TCTerence Crawford17:08

       He broke his foot, for sure?

   18. GUGuest17:09

       Mm-hmm, yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       Oh, yeah. He was walking around, uh, or being pushed around in a wheelchair today on Instagram.

   20. GUGuest17:13

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Yeah, it's rough.

   22. TCTerence Crawford17:14

       You see people get kneed-

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Mm-hmm.

   24. TCTerence Crawford17:16

       ... kicked in the face, teeth.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Do you look at it as being more brutal than boxing?

   26. TCTerence Crawford17:20

       (clicks tongue) Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       Yeah? You like-

   28. TCTerence Crawford17:23

       You take, you take more risks in, in, in UFC.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       You think so?

   30. TCTerence Crawford17:26

       Boxing, more head injuries.
7. 18:11 – 24:34

   Marvin Hagler stories: walking away, Italian action movies, and cold-weather grit

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:11

      Just go out on top.... like, Marvin Hagler was one of the only ones ever do it. He went out on top, another switch hitter.

   2. TCTerence Crawford18:18

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:18

      Marvin Hagler was the only one outta all the greats who lost that fight, controversial loss to Sugar Ray Leonard, was like, "Fuck this, I'm done." Just walked away.

   4. TCTerence Crawford18:26

      Didn't he come back? One- one fight after that?

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      Nope, nope, never.

   6. TCTerence Crawford18:28

      Okay.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:28

      Never came back.

   8. TCTerence Crawford18:29

      So w- w- his last fight was Ray Leonard, wasn't it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:31

      Yep, yep. That was it. Controversial loss to Leonard, became a movie star in Italy. You ever seen his movies in Italy?

   10. TCTerence Crawford18:37

       Nah, I just know he-

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       Wanna, wanna watch some clips?

   12. TCTerence Crawford18:40

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:40

       It's hilarious. Yeah, pull up Marvin Hagler fucking people up. He's like a, a movie star.

   14. TCTerence Crawford18:45

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       He does, like, these crazy Italian movies.

   16. TCTerence Crawford18:48

       How much did he make?

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:48

       What is this?

   18. TCTerence Crawford18:48

       This is how much he made for it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       $155,000, wow.

   20. TCTerence Crawford18:50

       He had a... Another $355,000 if he won, but-

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:53

       So-

   22. TCTerence Crawford18:53

       Can you see?

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:53

       ... Diaz made a flat $250,000 for the win. Yeah. The- they used to, before the Reebok deal, they used to make much more than that-

   24. TCTerence Crawford19:01

       Way more, for sponsorships.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       ... from sponsorships. Yeah.

   26. TCTerence Crawford19:03

       'Cause, uh, I got a buddy, Mersad Bektiq, you know-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:07

       Yeah, I know that guy. He's really good.

   28. TCTerence Crawford19:09

       From Lincoln.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Very talented.

   30. TCTerence Crawford19:09

       Nebraska.
8. 24:34 – 39:46

   Altitude camp in Colorado Springs: the Manitou steps, routines, and planning

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      So when, when I see you doing those, uh, those stair runs, you do that quite a bit, right?

   2. TCTerence Crawford24:39

      Right, every Sunday.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:40

      Where do you do that at?

   4. TCTerence Crawford24:41

      At, in Colorado Springs.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:42

      Well, you don't not, well, you don't, probably won't tell anybody where you go.

   6. TCTerence Crawford24:44

      Oh, they know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:45

      They know? Oh, they go there right-

   8. TCTerence Crawford24:46

      It's, it's in Colorado Springs.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:47

      Oh, okay. It's... That's a famous spot, right?

   10. TCTerence Crawford24:48

       Yeah, Manitou Springs.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       How many steps is that, that whole thing?

   12. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre24:52

       Pshh...

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       Something crazy, right?

   14. TCTerence Crawford24:54

       Some thousands.

   15. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre24:54

       It's, it's a mile and a half up, I believe.

   16. TCTerence Crawford24:56

       No, it's a mile.

   17. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre24:57

       A mile?

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:58

       A mile up a hill. How long does it take you to get up there?

   19. TCTerence Crawford25:00

       Probably like 35 minutes, 34.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:03

       That's a fucking horrible run, a mile and a half.

   21. TCTerence Crawford25:07

       Yeah, but you're not running.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:07

       Up a hill.

   23. TCTerence Crawford25:08

       You walk... We walk it, but some people run it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:10

       Oh, you walk it?

   25. TCTerence Crawford25:10

       Yeah. That's insane, them people that be running, insane, 'cause the air getting thinner and thinner as you go. And then the steps, you got some steps that's like this, that's small, and then you got some steps where you gotta really reach.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       Oh.

   27. TCTerence Crawford25:24

       Like, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:25

       So if you're running and you slip-

   29. TCTerence Crawford25:27

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       ... it's a fucked up tumble.
9. 39:46 – 47:46

   Heavyweight boxing’s resurgence: Wilder’s power, Ruiz-Joshua drama, and testing

   1. JRJoe Rogan39:46

      What a character. It's interesting too, like, the heavyweight division has now become the focal point of boxing again. It's very exciting.

   2. TCTerence Crawford39:52

      That's good.

   3. JRJoe Rogan39:53

      Like, for ... Yeah, for a long time, Wladimir Klitschko was the heavyweight champ of the world and for whatever reason, nobody gave a fuck. It was weird.

   4. GUGuest40:02

      Because he was dominating for all those years.

   5. JRJoe Rogan40:04

      He was jab and clutch, jab and clutch. He was-

   6. TCTerence Crawford40:06

      I think it's because we didn't have the American champion, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan40:09

      Yeah, for sure.

   8. TCTerence Crawford40:10

      So everybody was like, "Oh, forget it." (laughs) He went ... (taps hand) died.

   9. JRJoe Rogan40:13

      There probably has something to do with it. (clears throat) But if he was fighting in st- like, if he was fighting the way Deon- Deontay Wilder does, who cares if he's from the moon?

   10. TCTerence Crawford40:20

       Right. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan40:20

       You know? He's starting people like that-

   12. TCTerence Crawford40:22

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan40:22

       ... like, we wanna see that guy fight. Like, you don't care if that guy's from fucking Brazil or wherever he's from.

   14. TCTerence Crawford40:27

       When he-

   15. JRJoe Rogan40:27

       We ... When he land that right hand, it's- Woo!

   16. TCTerence Crawford40:29

       ... it's good night.

   17. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       God damn.

   18. GUGuest40:31

       (laughs)

   19. TCTerence Crawford40:32

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       It's one of those punches where people just go ... They ... You see people in the audience going, "Ooh."

   21. GUGuest40:36

       (laughs)

   22. TCTerence Crawford40:37

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan40:37

       "God, he hits hard."

   24. TCTerence Crawford40:39

       Even when he don't fully extend, it be like ... (slaps leg)

   25. JRJoe Rogan40:42

       The crazy thing is when he fought Tyson Fury, he was 209. 209. That's nothing to p- And he punches so fucking hard, it's crazy. That dude is a, an anomaly. The fact that he won a bronze medal in the Olympics three years after taking up boxing-

   26. TCTerence Crawford40:58

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:59

       ... it's, it's insane. It's just insane.

   28. TCTerence Crawford41:02

       Yeah. 'Cause there ... A lot of people, they asked me, 'cause we, we was in the same, you know, uh, trials in 2007. And they was like, "Do you ever remember Deontay Wilder in the, in the amateurs?" I said, "Man, he came outta nowhere cracking people."

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:19

       (laughs)

   30. GUGuest41:20

       (laughs)
10. 47:46 – 52:28

    Rumors, publicity stunts, and Rogan’s Fear Factor behind-the-scenes chaos

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       Like Richard Gere with that gerbil up his ass, remember that one?

    2. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre47:48

       (laughs)

    3. TCTerence Crawford47:49

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       Do you remember that rumor?

    5. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre47:50

       I heard that. Yeah.

    6. TCTerence Crawford47:51

       No.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:51

       Everybody heard that. You never heard that?

    8. TCTerence Crawford47:53

       He's had a gerbil up his ass? (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:53

       You think you heard it, right?

    10. TCTerence Crawford47:54

        Yeah, I heard it. (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        Tell them, tell them the rumor.

    12. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre47:57

        It's just... (laughs) I just heard the rumor. I don't know how it happened.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:59

        When we were kids, when we were kids, um, there was a rumor that Richard Gere had to go to the hospital to get a gerbil taken out of his ass.

    14. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre48:06

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:06

        Now, (clears throat) I grew up in the East Coast. My friend Eddie grew up in California. He heard the same story. I was like, "This is the same goddamn rumor." Like how'd this rumor get across the country? We're the same age.

    16. TCTerence Crawford48:16

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:17

        No internet. The rumor made it all the way across the country when we were in high school.

    18. TCTerence Crawford48:20

        So was it true or not?

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:22

        Probably not.

    20. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre48:22

        (laughs)

    21. TCTerence Crawford48:23

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan48:23

        I think you can get a gerbil out yourself. You don't need to go to a hospital.

    23. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre48:27

        (laughs)

    24. TCTerence Crawford48:27

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:27

        You know? That- that is not- not worth the embarrassment. You'll take some time to go to the store and buy some tweezers.

    26. TCTerence Crawford48:31

        All right. (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:32

        But you're, uh, you don't need to go to the hospital.

    28. TCTerence Crawford48:34

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:34

        Just get a mirror and some tweezers. We can handle this. We don't need to let everybody know our business.

    30. TCTerence Crawford48:39

        Oh, man. All right.
11. 52:28 – 56:54

    The Benavidez grudge: trash talk, emotional control, and tactical adjustments

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:28

       Who was that, the Mexican gentleman that you fought recently that was talking a lot of shit and you stopped him?

    2. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre52:33

       Benavidez.

    3. TCTerence Crawford52:34

       Benavidez.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:34

       That's right.

    5. TCTerence Crawford52:35

       Yeah, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:35

       That, that seemed like a particularly satisfying one for you.

    7. TCTerence Crawford52:38

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:39

       'Cause there was a lot of shit talking leading up to that fight.

    9. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre52:41

       You talk a lot of shit, man.

    10. TCTerence Crawford52:43

        For years.

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:43

        There's certain times we watch guys talk shit and I go, "Son."

    12. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre52:47

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:47

        "Son, slow down."

    14. TCTerence Crawford52:49

        (Laughs) Yeah.

    15. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre52:49

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:49

        "This is, this is not a good idea."

    17. TCTerence Crawford52:52

        But it just came outta nowhere, like, I never said nothing to that dude, never did nothing to that dude, like, and he just out the blue just for years, like, I'm ducking him. I'm like, "Dude, you went up in weight, I'm at 140." Like, when I was at 135 he was talking about fighting me. He was at 140. I got up to 140, he won a little fight and then he moved up in weight and I'm like, "Dude, like, you're nobody for me to be worried about." So then it got to the point where he was like, "Oh, well, they made me an offer to fight you and you ducked me," and this... So he started telling everybody I ducked him, I've been ducking him since 140, so. In the press conference I said, "Did y'all ever offer me or him a fight, to fight each other?" And they was like, "No." So, so where he come up with that at? He's like, "Well, it don't matter, we fighting right now, so I'm sorry."

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:45

        It was a good fight.

    19. TCTerence Crawford53:47

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        It was a good fight. It was a good fight, too, to showcase you, you know, particularly the knockout. And that was a beautiful combination, man, when, when you clipped him.

    21. TCTerence Crawford53:54

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:55

        And then he gets up and then you put him away. When you watch a fight like that where you have a guy who talks shit and then you wind up fucking him up, is it ever more satisfying?

    23. TCTerence Crawford54:03

        Oh, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        'Cause you seem to enjoy it. It's like-

    25. TCTerence Crawford54:05

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        ... the best fighters enjoy putting a beating on someone.

    27. TCTerence Crawford54:09

        Of course. Like-

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:10

        (laughs)

    29. TCTerence Crawford54:12

        ... going into the fight, I had to calm my emotions down.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:17

        'Cause of the anger?
12. 56:54 – 1:02:57

    Boxing’s TV shakeup and Pacquiao breakdown: commentary, judging, and matchups

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:54

       Oh, interesting, interesting. Well, there's so many different outlets for boxing now, you know? You know, there's PBC, there's Fox, there's... You know, ESPN is putting on high caliber fights now too.

    2. TCTerence Crawford57:05

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:05

       It's very interesting. Uh, but HBO's out of the game. Doesn't that feel weird?

    4. TCTerence Crawford57:09

       It does, being that, that, that was the go-to channel to watch, uh, boxing when I was coming up. Only people you had on Showtime was Mike Tyson.

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:18

       And it was the best commentary crew too. It was Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman, Roy Jones Jr., sometimes George Foreman.

    6. TCTerence Crawford57:24

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:25

       You know, Larry Merchant-

    8. TCTerence Crawford57:26

       Emanuel Stewart.

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:27

       ... when he was doing it. Yeah, man.

    10. TCTerence Crawford57:28

        Emanuel Stewart.

    11. JRJoe Rogan57:29

        Emanuel Stewart and Harold Letterman would come in between rounds-

    12. TCTerence Crawford57:32

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:32

        ... and tell... give you his score.

    14. TCTerence Crawford57:33

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:33

        It was fucking great. I miss that.

    16. TCTerence Crawford57:35

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:35

        Don't you miss that? I mean-

    18. TCTerence Crawford57:36

        Oh, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:36

        ... Harold Letterman, rest in peace. He passed away recently. Um, didn't he? Did, right?

    20. TCTerence Crawford57:40

        Yeah, yeah, yeah. He passed.

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:41

        He did, he did. Um, but I, I miss that man. Jim Lampley was fucking great and Max Kellerman was great. It's like you don't have that... There's not a commentary team like that right now in, in boxing.

    22. TCTerence Crawford57:52

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:52

        Is there? Am I, am I wrong?

    24. TCTerence Crawford57:54

        No, not to the, to the level of their expertise.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:56

        Why don't they have those guys go over to one of these streaming services like DAZN or ESPN or something? It just seems like that's the team, right?

    26. TCTerence Crawford58:05

        Yeah. Yeah, but-

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:05

        Andre Ward. Andre Ward's fantastic at it.

    28. TCTerence Crawford58:08

        Oh, yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:08

        He's coming on here too.

    30. TCTerence Crawford58:09

        Yeah.
13. 1:02:57 – 1:15:05

    Competitive downtime: pool hustles, poker psychology, chess prep, and camp ‘daycare’

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:57

       He's a killer pool player. Did you know that about Pacquiao?

    2. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre1:03:00

       No, I didn't.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:00

       Like world class. Like he could play pool professionally.

    4. TCTerence Crawford1:03:05

       Me too.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

       Really?

    6. TCTerence Crawford1:03:06

       Yeah, I be too.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       You can play? Oh, we gotta play then.

    8. TCTerence Crawford1:03:08

       Yeah, I heard you got-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

       Yeah.

    10. TCTerence Crawford1:03:09

        ... got your little personal sticks.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

        I'm pretty good. Yeah.

    12. TCTerence Crawford1:03:11

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

        You good?

    14. TCTerence Crawford1:03:12

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:12

        Okay. What kind- what do you play?

    16. TCTerence Crawford1:03:14

        Whatever you wanna play.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

        You play like nine ball, 10 ball?

    18. TCTerence Crawford1:03:16

        Whatever.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:17

        Okay, we'll play. Cool.

    20. TCTerence Crawford1:03:17

        You can... Hey, so if I leave five balls on the table, you owe me.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

        If you leave-

    22. TCTerence Crawford1:03:25

        Five of your balls on the table.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

        ... five balls on the ta- my ba- what? We were playing eight-ball?

    24. TCTerence Crawford1:03:29

        We can play eight-ball.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

        That's nonsense. That's a nonsense game. Eight-ball, that's a silly game. You're trying to get me-

    26. TCTerence Crawford1:03:34

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:34

        ... leave my balls on the table? Why would I do that?

    28. TCTerence Crawford1:03:36

        No, I'm saying-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

        Right.

    30. TCTerence Crawford1:03:38

        ... if- if I win-

Episode duration: 1:38:35