JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Ladies and gentlemen, one…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best boxers on planet Earth and his trainer, (slaps table) Bo Mack and Terence Crawford. Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming here.

   2. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre0:09

      Thank you, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      We're live now.

   4. TCTerence Crawford0:10

      Appreciate it, appreciate it. (laughs)

   5. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre0:11

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours. I've... We've talked about you many times on this podcast. I'm a, I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances. You know, you switch, s- switch stances as smooth as anybody ever. Like f- like, you gotta go back to Marvin Hagler to find a champ that switched stances like as fluidly as you. It's pretty, pretty impressive stuff, man.

   7. TCTerence Crawford0:31

      A lot of practice.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Have you always been doing that?

   9. TCTerence Crawford0:32

      A lot of practice. Yeah, since I was little. I remember getting in trouble 'cause I used to always switch 'em. My coach used to always say, "You need to worry about fighting-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs)

   11. TCTerence Crawford0:41

       "...the one style first and perfecting that before you try to, try to, uh, switch and do a different style." But I always switched, so it got to the point where there was just like, "All right, well, if you gonna fight like that, we gonna train you like that."

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Wow, so you forced it through.

   13. TCTerence Crawford0:57

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Wow. Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that influenced you to switch like that, or was it just something you felt naturally?

   15. TCTerence Crawford1:03

       It was just naturally.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Wow.

   17. TCTerence Crawford1:05

       It was just like, "All right, this not working, so I gotta do something else."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Just make it more tricky.

   19. TCTerence Crawford1:09

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yeah, well, that's, that's part of what's interesting about watching you fights... Wa- Watching you fight is that you could see you trying to figure out what's up. Like, first rounds with... when, when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch 'cause I see you measuring dudes, I see things happening, and you're switching stances, and then when you start finding the timing. It's like, timing is one of the more fascinating things to watch about boxing, 'cause a guy who has perfect timing and perfect p- Like, when you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect, it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports.

   21. TCTerence Crawford1:42

       Right, right. It's like you, you know, you watching their every move and then you just dissecting 'em slowly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       How do you think... Do you think about it like... When you, when you start a round, a, a first round of a fight, is it different for every fighter, or do you always wanna do that? Do you always wanna, like, put them into the computer?

   23. TCTerence Crawford2:00

       No, it's different, it's different. Like, sometimes I just wanna go out there and just be like, "All right, I'm gonna see what this dude got, see if he can take it."

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Just go right to him?

   25. TCTerence Crawford2:08

       Yeah. And then sometimes I just be like, "All right, I'm gonna take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he like to do and what he d- don't like to do, or see if I move this way, his reaction." Just certain things.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       It's, uh, you know... Well, you came to the UFC this weekend, and, uh, you know, obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take away all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of ex- exchanges and punches.

   27. TCTerence Crawford2:41

       (coughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       And you get to see with guys like you, guys like Canelo or Floyd or the, the top level boxers, you get to see what's possible with guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters. I mean, when you were growing up, who... What was the, the fighter that influenced you the most?

   29. TCTerence Crawford2:58

       Well, hands down, Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody-

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       Everybody did.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Massage and, um ...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      that, like what do you do in terms of recovery? Do you do, uh, ice baths or sauna and massage? Like what kind of shit do you do?

   2. TCTerence Crawford15:06

      Massage and, um ... I don't- I don't like the cold, so I normally take-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      You don't like the cold? (laughs)

   4. TCTerence Crawford15:11

      I don't- normally take Epsom salt baths.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Yeah.

   6. TCTerence Crawford15:14

      And just get massages.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      That's a grown-up-in-Nebraska thing, though, right?

   8. TCTerence Crawford15:18

      Come on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      What's that?

   10. TCTerence Crawford15:19

       Cold.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       (laughs) Yeah.

   12. TCTerence Crawford15:21

       I- it's cold in Nebraska, but I'm used to that cold. But I just can't fix myself to get in the ice tub.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Hmm.

   14. TCTerence Crawford15:29

       I never was that type.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       It's hard. (laughs)

   16. TCTerence Crawford15:31

       Yeah. It is hard. I be like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       You pick your poison.

   18. TCTerence Crawford15:36

       Y- yeah, I stick my feet in there and be like, "Ssh, I ain't getting in there."

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Yeah, it's rough.

   20. TCTerence Crawford15:40

       They be like, "Come on, it's gonna help you." All right, it's gonna help me next time, 'cause I-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       (laughs)

   22. TCTerence Crawford15:45

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Fuck that. Have you ever fucked with cryotherapy? You ever try that?

   24. TCTerence Crawford15:48

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did that one time.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       That's easier.

   26. TCTerence Crawford15:51

       Yeah, it was cool, 'cause it's dry.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       It's only three minutes.

   28. TCTerence Crawford15:52

       It was dry.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Yeah, it's dry and it's only three minutes.

   30. TCTerence Crawford15:54

       Yeah, so ... But that- that ice bath? Nah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      monitoring your heart rate or anything like that, you just basically... if you have a flat day, you feel flat-

   2. TCTerence Crawford30:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      ... you just chill out?

   4. TCTerence Crawford30:05

      Yeah. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      So just all by feel?

   6. TCTerence Crawford30:07

      Like sometimes, sometimes, Bo always ask me before we go work out, "How you feeling? How you feeling?" Like, "I'm good, Bo. I'm good." All right? Sometimes I be like, "Man, I'm tired." Like, and he be like, "All right, well, we just going to coast today." Like, if it's sparring day, he'd be like, "All right. Well, don't be trying to..."... do too much. We just gonna spar, hit the mitts, get out. We ain't gonna do no bag, we ain't gonna do nothing extra. And then after I do the bag and sparring, I mean, not the bag, but the mitts and spar, I might be feeling good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:35

      Mm-hmm.

   8. TCTerence Crawford30:35

      And I be like, "Man, let's do this." And he'll be like, "No, you said you wasn't feeling good at first, listen. Come on. Let's go."

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      That's the hardest part, right?

   10. TCTerence Crawford30:42

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       To, to pull it back. To know when to pull it back?

   12. TCTerence Crawford30:45

       Right. Because he, he knows me. He been with me since the beginning, so he knows just by looking at me, you know, what type of day I'm having. Like either in the gym or outside the gym, so...

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       That's gotta be important, isn't it?

   14. TCTerence Crawford30:58

       Oh, yeah, it is.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Like knowing him from the time when he was younger and just starting out to today?

   16. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre31:02

       It definitely is, man. It plays a big part in, in the relationship as far as, like say, inside the ring and outside the ring. 'Cause, uh, you know, as a trainer, you, you'll never want your fighter to overtrain, or you'll never want him to undertrain. So, but I, I'll- I'll never have to worry about him undertraining because he's always in the gym. But I do have to worry about him overtraining, you know, 'cause he always in the gym. You know what I'm saying?

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Yeah, yeah.

   18. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre31:26

       So it'll be like he said, some days it'll be like, "Man, we gonna pull back this week." "Why, man? Shit, man, we been training for... already for eight weeks." You know? So, and we still got one or two more weeks to go before we hit the down date, the, the actual peak point. You know? "All right. We'll, we'll, we'll pull back." You know? And then sometimes he get hardheaded and he say, "No, come on, man, let me do a little bit more." "All right, do a little bit more, but don't do too much." You know? You don't gotta put your all into it. You know? Just, just, just move around a little bit, you know? You gotta do all... Ba- basically all fighters like that. Especially fighters... good fighters. 'Cause most good fighters like Terence and other fighters, Jamel Henry, Steve Nelson, you gotta, you gotta pull them guys back. Always gotta pull them back 'cause they always wanna go, go, go, go, go, go.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Yeah.

   20. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre32:14

       'Cause they always got this win in them. "I gotta fucking win. I gotta fucking win." I understand that. I want you to fucking win too, but I don't want you to break your body down, I don't want you to do your, your boxing inside the gym. You gotta have something left when you go to the fight.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       That's a lesson that's very hard for young guys to learn, right?

   22. TCTerence Crawford32:29

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Yeah, but it's so critical to know where your body is and... At this stage of your career, I would imagine you just kinda feel it.

   24. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre32:38

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       Like, you know exactly... And when you're in training camp and you're gearing up for a fight, is that how it feels? Like you know where you're at, like, "Oh, this is where I'm supposed to be. I feel this right here."

   26. TCTerence Crawford32:45

       Oh, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:45

       "This is normal."

   28. TCTerence Crawford32:46

       It's funny though because every fight, every single fight before the fight, you know, Beau Mack always waiting to hear me be like, "Oh, man, I'm ready though."

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       (laughs)

   30. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre32:58

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. TCTerence Crawford45:00

      big at first, but now he's slimming down.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TCTerence Crawford45:02

      But I think he put on a lot of weight to, you know, carry with V- Vada-mir? Is that his name?

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Mm-hmm.

   5. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre45:10

      Klitschko?

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Klitschko?

   7. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre45:11

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Is that what he put all the weight on?

   9. TCTerence Crawford45:13

      Yeah.

   10. BMBrian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre45:13

       Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:14

       What kind of testing they do before that fight?

   12. TCTerence Crawford45:16

       Uh, they test you for everything.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       But do they test you for everything at the weigh-ins?

   14. TCTerence Crawford45:21

       No. See, see me, I'm, I'm with the VADA, uh...

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       You're in the full testing pool.

   16. TCTerence Crawford45:27

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       So they show up at 6:00 in the morning, the whole deal?

   18. TCTerence Crawford45:29

       Yeah, and they can test though. They, they can test me right now then if they wanted to.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       So they might be waiting outside right now.

   20. TCTerence Crawford45:34

       It's cool 'cause I'm-

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Right.

   22. TCTerence Crawford45:35

       ... I'm good, so.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       But when he fought, um, Wladimir and he got all big, were they, were they doing any kinda VADA testing?

   24. TCTerence Crawford45:42

       See, I don't, I don't know what type of contract-

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Right.

   26. TCTerence Crawford45:45

       ... or what they sign for on the, on they contract, on they fight contract. But I know me, when I'm in training camp, they come whenever. They'll come 6:00 in the morning and turn around and come at 6:00 at night if they want to.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       That's a, a point of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle, right? Like wh- it can make you stronger-

   28. TCTerence Crawford46:05

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       ... but that, that's gonna need a lotta oxygen too.

   30. TCTerence Crawford46:08

       Facts.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:28

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      40 years old, beats Keith Thurman, who was in his prime.

   2. TCTerence Crawford1:00:04

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Crazy. I mean, wha- what a man. I mean, what a w- what a world champion, and-

   4. GUGuest1:00:09

      Well, he sure turned back the hands of time on that one.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      That's so fucking crazy.

   6. TCTerence Crawford1:00:12

      He did. Didn't he? And he fought in spurts. Both of 'em-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Yeah.

   8. TCTerence Crawford1:00:15

      ... fought, fought in spurts and I thought Keith was gonna pick up on it, but Pacquiao was only fighting, fighting the end of the round.

   9. GUGuest1:00:22

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TCTerence Crawford1:00:22

       Like Keith would come on strong at the beginning of the round and they would be like, "All right, Keith winning, winning this round." And then Pacquiao would just be like...

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       Yeah.

   12. TCTerence Crawford1:00:31

       Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then Keith would be like... (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       (laughs)

   14. GUGuest1:00:34

       (Laughs) Like, "Oh, man."

   15. TCTerence Crawford1:00:35

       I didn't even see the fight.

   16. GUGuest1:00:36

       But when he dropped him with that right hook early in the first, you're like-

   17. TCTerence Crawford1:00:40

       It's like a right jab.

   18. GUGuest1:00:41

       ... "Oh, shit."

   19. TCTerence Crawford1:00:42

       Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

   20. GUGuest1:00:43

       Yeah, I was like...

   21. TCTerence Crawford1:00:43

       No, it was like a... He jumped in with the left and then followed by like a straight right.

   22. GUGuest1:00:49

       It was crazy.

   23. TCTerence Crawford1:00:49

       Yeah.

   24. GUGuest1:00:50

       It was crazy. It's like, "Wow! He went-

   25. TCTerence Crawford1:00:52

       That's his plans.

   26. GUGuest1:00:52

       ... over the shoulder." Yep.

   27. TCTerence Crawford1:00:53

       That's his plans.

   28. GUGuest1:00:54

       Yep.

   29. TCTerence Crawford1:00:54

       They were showing him hitting other fighters with it the same thing.

   30. GUGuest1:00:58

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 1:38:35