JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

Joe Rogan 0:02 Boom. All right, we're live. (microphone thuds) What's going on, man? What do you got there? Text messaging people?

Cedric Doumbé 0:07 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:08 (laughs) Shutting your phone off?

Cedric Doumbé 0:10 Yeah, I just put it on-

Joe Rogan 0:12 Silent?

Cedric Doumbé 0:13 ... silent mode.

Joe Rogan 0:14 How long have you been in America now for? You're, you're only here for like two weeks, right?

Cedric Doumbé 0:18 (smacks lips) Uh, yeah. I came for two week and, yeah, and th- three days. And, uh, as you invited me at the, at the UFC, and-

Joe Rogan 0:27 Did you enjoy it?

Cedric Doumbé 0:28 Yeah, it was great. That's my first time at the UFC.

Joe Rogan 0:30 That's the first time, really?

Cedric Doumbé 0:31 Yeah. Even at an MMA event.

Joe Rogan 0:33 You've never been to an MMA event?

Cedric Doumbé 0:35 No, no.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 0:35 No. In France, it's so boring, you know. You know that, uh, now it's forbidden in France.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 0:40 And you can't hit a guy when he's in, on the floor.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 0:45 So that's why it used to be boring in France, because they fight, like striking, and then when a guy take you down, and then it's just BJJ and, uh, grabbing-

Joe Rogan 0:55 Adjust the missions?

Cedric Doumbé 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yes. Oh, that's interesting.

Cedric Doumbé 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:57 So their MMA rules, when they would go to the ground, no striking at all?

Cedric Doumbé 1:00 No striking. So that's why it's boring.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Even to the body?

Cedric Doumbé 1:02 Even in the b- Oh, I think, yeah, in the body, they can.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Oh, okay.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06 They can.

Joe Rogan 1:06 But you can't punch to the face?

Cedric Doumbé 1:07 No. It's so boring, so that's why I never-

Joe Rogan 1:09 That's so interesting.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09 ... I never been in a MMA even in France. But UFC at 241 was crazy, especially the fight. The Diaz fight and the-

Joe Rogan 1:19 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:19 ... and the, and the main event was cool.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Now, as a kickboxing champion, and when you watch MMA, do you... I know that you've been training, and I know that you, you spent some time while you're out here at AKA.

Cedric Doumbé 1:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Are you thinking of eventually making your way to the UFC?

Cedric Doumbé 1:35 No, I'm not thinking. That's what, that's what I will do.

Joe Rogan 1:39 You will do, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:40 Yeah, that's what I will do. That's what I, I wanna do. You know, (smacks lips) uh, yeah, as you said, I'm the, the Glory champ now. I have five belt. My, my first dream before Glory was to, to become the, yeah, the greatest kickboxing in the world, kickboxer in the world. I wanted to beat, uh, everybody in my division. (sighs) That's what I did. Before, uh, Nieky Holzken was the, the champ-champ.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 2:06 Undefeated since six years. Uh, yeah, he wa- he was the greatest in Glory, and I was like, "Damn, how, how do I gonna beat him? You know, he's so, he's so strong." And I beat him. I beat him, yeah, twice. (smacks lips) I beat everybody. So after that, before people was asking me, "Do you think, uh, to go to MMA? Because I, I think you should do something great in MMA." I was like, "No, I don't like MMA." I don't wa- I, I, I don't like, like wrestling, BJJ. I don't like this kind of sport. I'm a striker, you know? I was like, "No, I don't like it."

Cedric Doumbé 2:36 And yet, two years ago, I was like, "Damn, (laughs) I think I like it, you know?" Because I, I train once, (smacks lips) and, uh, I really, I really like it, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:44 What did you like? Do you like MMA training or did you like-

Cedric Doumbé 2:47 MMA training.

Joe Rogan 2:48 ... jiu-jitsu?

Cedric Doumbé 2:48 Yeah, MMA training and jiu-jitsu. I was... And I was watching jiu-jitsu all the time on TV. And more I watched jiu-jitsu, I was like, "Oh, it's, it's so complicated. It's so-"

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 2:57 It's not only two guys who are rolling and making-

Joe Rogan 3:01 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 3:01 ... str- strange stuff on the, on the ground.

Joe Rogan 3:03 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 3:03 It's, it's more than, than, than that. So I was like, "Oh, it's complicated. It's very... It's not easy," so-

Joe Rogan 3:09 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 3:10 ... I, I, I, yeah, I, I wanted to learn that. I wanted, I wanted someone to teach me that. And, uh, yeah, I was thinking about MMA, and now I really wanna do it. I wanna do... You know, what Conor McGregor, uh, couldn't do, you know, he, he was the best in MMA, in one combat sport, and he wanted to beat, uh, Conor Mc- um...

Joe Rogan 3:30 Floyd Mayweather.

Cedric Doumbé 3:31 ... Floyd Mayweather-

Joe Rogan 3:31 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 3:31 ... in another combat sport. He wanted to be the greatest in two combat sport, different combat sport. He couldn't do it. He failed. And that's what I wanna do. And I think I really, really will do it. I'm the best in kickboxing, and I wanna be the best in MMA, and I think, uh, I will.

Joe Rogan 3:47 (smacks lips) If kickboxing was as popular as MMA, do you think you'd still have the same desire to do it?

Cedric Doumbé 3:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Yes?

Cedric Doumbé 3:55 Yes. Because-

Joe Rogan 3:56 Because you just wanna be the best?

Cedric Doumbé 3:57 Yeah. Because I'm young, you know. I'm 26. Uh, I, my dreams cames true, you know? I'm the best in kickboxing. My nickname is The Best.

Joe Rogan 4:07 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 4:07 And I'm (laughs) really the best, so...

Joe Rogan 4:09 Well, y- I'm a big fan of yours, and, uh-

Cedric Doumbé 4:11 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 4:11 ... I was really excited to get you in here. And one of the things I was really interested in, uh, is that you t- sorta changed your style.

Cedric Doumbé 4:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:18 And you were more movement oriented, and you would win on points, but then you started fucking people up. You started-

Cedric Doumbé 4:23 I did.

Joe Rogan 4:24 ... n- and like people, like, Nieky Holzken had said that about you.

Cedric Doumbé 4:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:27 That you're a mover.

Cedric Doumbé 4:28 A runner.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Yeah, that you're a runner. I, I was trying to say it in a nice-

Cedric Doumbé 4:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:31 ... but then he said it.

Cedric Doumbé 4:32 That's what he said.

Joe Rogan 4:33 But, man, you changed that around.

Cedric Doumbé 4:35 Yeah, yeah. You know why?

Joe Rogan 4:36 You, you, you're knocking people out.

Cedric Doumbé 4:38 Because be- uh, yeah. My first, my first big, big fight in the, in Glory was, uh, against Nieky Holzken, and that was only my third fight in Glory. Uh, as I beat the, the rank number two, who was Myrto Grunad, uh, as I beat him, they, they put me, um, a title shot right after. And I was like, Nieky Holzken is, is really, really complicated too.

Joe Rogan 5:04 And you were like 24, right?

Cedric Doumbé 5:05 Yeah, I was 24. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 That's very young.

Cedric Doumbé 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 To fight Niiky Holzken.

Cedric Doumbé 5:09 Yeah. I was, I was, yeah, I was, I was impressed by him because-

Joe Rogan 5:13 He's very good.

Cedric Doumbé 5:13 ... he's very good. And I still, I still impressed by him, because for me, he's a very, very great champ. He was. And, um, I was like, "I will not knock him out." I used to... Before Glory, I used to fight every month. Sometime I went to fight, I used to fight three time a month. And, um, I used to knock-

Joe Rogan 5:31 Three times a month?

Cedric Doumbé 5:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 5:33 Yeah. Because of tournaments. Uh, I used to-

Joe Rogan 5:35 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 5:35 ... knock people out at the first round. And, uh, when I saw Niiky, I was like, "Okay, I will not go for the KO." So I trained myself to do all five rounds, to make points, and to, and to stay myself, like funny in the ring, and, um, yeah, and make a lot of mov- movement, hit, jokes, uh, play with the audience, share, you know? And that's what I did. And, uh, yeah. And I kept going th- that way. After Niiky, I kept the same style, the same

Cedric Doumbé 6:05 style, the same style.And once, I failed, you know. Uh, I lost a fight because, uh, because of that, my, my diet wasn't very good, you know. Uh, I make a f- a good first round and then I was tired as fuck, so I couldn't do the, the, the job what I, I wanted to do. And then I took a diet. Now my diet, my diet's perfect and, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:29 What did you change? Like, what were you eating before?

Cedric Doumbé 6:32 Before I was like, okay, I s- uh, f- to prepare a fight, I, uh, I start two months before the fight, the D-day. And then, uh, before I was like, "Okay, still two months. Okay, I start tomorrow. I, I start next week, the diet. I start tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow." And then we are two weeks before the fight, I'm like, "Damn, six kilos to lose. Okay, I start today." And then I come in to fight week and I never started the diet, and I started the diet in the hotel, like three days before the fight. Uh, I had five kilo to lose, six kilo to lose-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Oh, wow.

Cedric Doumbé 7:06 ... in three days and I was like, "Okay, I don't eat anything no more. Now I just train, train." Sauna, training.

Joe Rogan 7:13 With no food?

Cedric Doumbé 7:14 With no food. No food.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Oh, that's silly.

Cedric Doumbé 7:15 Even no water. And that's why it's, that's wh- that wasn't smart, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:20 It's so hard for people to believe that world champions do things like that.

Cedric Doumbé 7:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:24 But that is the case sometimes and sometimes you need a bad fight to sort of (snaps fingers) snap you out of it and realize, "Hey, I have to be disciplined for many, many months out in advance."

Cedric Doumbé 7:33 That's right. You know what the first thing Glory say to my manager before when I won the first title? They say, "Hey, Cedric is very lucky because we don't, we don't even know how, how does he come, he arrive at, at this level with no, no diet, no, you know, n- no team."

Joe Rogan 7:52 Strength conditioning.

Cedric Doumbé 7:52 "No trainer, no nothing."

Joe Rogan 7:54 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 7:54 They was, they was very surprised and, yeah, I, I think, I think a lot about this and that's why now I'm very professional. And after the, th- that diet, uh, I start to knock everybody out.

Joe Rogan 8:06 So, what did you change in your diet? Like, what do you eat now?

Cedric Doumbé 8:09 Now, um, it's like, you know, my diet in France is, she's very famous, you know? Her name is Cecile Golden Coach. She's, uh, the diet-

Joe Rogan 8:17 Her name is Golden Coach?

Cedric Doumbé 8:18 Yeah, Golden Coach. Her nickname.

Joe Rogan 8:19 That's a real name?

Cedric Doumbé 8:20 No (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 8:20 Oh, no, no. I was like, "Wow."

Cedric Doumbé 8:23 And, yeah, and sh- she take care of many champions i- in France and, uh, yeah, she, uh ... I cannot tell you exactly what, what is in, inside my diet because, uh, it's so complicated. But I, I told her, "Hey, I don't want, I don't want you to tell me how many grams and this and this and this. Just tell me, write what I need to eat Monday, Tuesday, uh, morning, evening." And that's what, that's what she did, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:50 So, you just follow her instructions kind of?

Cedric Doumbé 8:51 Yeah, I just follow instruction. I don't-

Joe Rogan 8:53 Do you have a meal prep company, someone who makes the meals for you?

Cedric Doumbé 8:56 No, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 8:56 You do it all yourself?

Cedric Doumbé 8:57 Not, not yet, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:58 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 8:58 There are some in France, in Paris especially, but I didn't choose yet.

Joe Rogan 9:02 So, what kind of foods are you eating?

Cedric Doumbé 9:05 I love African food, but African-

Joe Rogan 9:07 African food?

Cedric Doumbé 9:07 Yeah. But African food is very, very no good for my diet because-

Joe Rogan 9:11 How come?

Cedric Doumbé 9:11 ... a lot, a lot of oil, a lot of-

Joe Rogan 9:13 Oil?

Cedric Doumbé 9:14 ... a lot of meat. Uh-

Joe Rogan 9:15 That sound good. That sounds great.

Cedric Doumbé 9:17 (laughs) Sounds great but not for, not for the weight. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:20 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 9:21 No, I, I used to eat, um, Japanese food. Japan- I really like, uh, Japanese food. Sushi, um, fish, Asiatic food is ver- is very healthy so-

Joe Rogan 9:31 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 9:32 ... I like Japanese food and Korean food also. That's what I, I used to eat when I'm, I go out restaurant. Uh, I, I prefer-

Joe Rogan 9:40 So, now what does she have you eating?

Cedric Doumbé 9:41 Now?

Joe Rogan 9:42 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 9:42 Now I don't have to prepare any fight, I just keep on shape so I eat w- what I want now.

Joe Rogan 9:49 You eat what you want now?

Cedric Doumbé 9:49 Yeah, what I want today, today, yes. But, uh, starting September, uh, then I'm gonna start a new diet and, uh, yeah. Morning is like two eggs, two eggs and, um ...

Joe Rogan 10:01 How much do you have to lose? Like, what i- what is your normal weight?

Cedric Doumbé 10:04 My normal weight in kilograms is, um, 85.

Joe Rogan 10:08 85. What is that, like 170?

Cedric Doumbé 10:11 85, 86.

Joe Rogan 10:11 What is that? How much- Yeah. ... 85 kilograms to pounds?

Cedric Doumbé 10:14 Maybe 190 now.

Joe Rogan 10:15 190? Yeah, it's 160. Almost ... 1.2.2. What? 188. 187.

Cedric Doumbé 10:21 188.

Joe Rogan 10:22 And you have to get down to 170.

Cedric Doumbé 10:23 117.

Joe Rogan 10:24 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 10:24 So, it's ... When I, when I say, when I say that in, uh, in AKA they was like, "Oh, you good."

Joe Rogan 10:30 Oh, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 10:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:30 Because MMA fighters lose a lot of weight.

Cedric Doumbé 10:32 Yeah. A lot. A lot.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 10:34 But before I was... Before ... Oh, the biggest thing I did is in seven weeks I lost, uh, 15.

Joe Rogan 10:44 15?

Cedric Doumbé 10:44 No, 17. 17 kilos.

Joe Rogan 10:46 Kilos? Oh, wow.

Cedric Doumbé 10:47 Seven week. Yeah, last time I came to AKA I was 95. 95 is, is 200? 200 and, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:54 Two plus.

Cedric Doumbé 10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:55 95 kilos. We got a-

Cedric Doumbé 10:56 95.

Joe Rogan 10:56 ... little calculator here. What is it? 210. 210? 10, yeah. Oh, so you were 210 pounds?

Cedric Doumbé 11:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Wow.

Cedric Doumbé 11:01 And seven week, uh, later I lost, uh, 15 f- 17 kilograms because of Cecile.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 11:10 Yeah. Yeah, and, uh, but was very, very, very hard.

Joe Rogan 11:13 But your energy levels okay while you're doing all this?

Cedric Doumbé 11:15 It was ... Everything was good. I was just training twice a day and diet, diet, every day, every day. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:22 Now, kickboxing is huge in Europe. I mean-

Cedric Doumbé 11:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:25 ... it's, it's very big. People-

Cedric Doumbé 11:26 Very big.

Joe Rogan 11:27 People, I mean, I had, um, Rico Verhoeven on-

Cedric Doumbé 11:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 11:30 ... and we discussed this, like how enormous kickboxing is in Holland and in Europe.

Cedric Doumbé 11:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:35 And in America, for whatever reason, it never caught on. I do- I don't understand it. I've been a, a fan of Glory and I've been trying to tell people about them for a long time.

Cedric Doumbé 11:45 Uh, I, I, I cannot blame (laughs) USA for that because they, they legalized MMA so MMA is just more, more attractive for people, you know? The-

Joe Rogan 11:56 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 11:57 ... people who doesn't know shit about, about fighting, they just watch MMA. It's like, "Oh, two people are fighting. Yeah, that is-"

Joe Rogan 12:04 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 12:04 "... interesting," you know? Kickboxing and, like, things like, sport like Muay Thai, kickboxing, if you doesn't know the rules, it's kinda, yeah-... you just fight and you do not-- you doesn't, doesn't understand. You don't understand. But MMA is more easy (laughs) to understand, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah, it's just a fight.

Cedric Doumbé 12:21 Yeah, it's just a fight.

Joe Rogan 12:22 A wild fight between-

Cedric Doumbé 12:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yeah, two people. So I don't-- I really don't know why kickboxing is not, uh, is, is not, uh, maybe at the same level as MMA in USA. Well, what's cr- uh, crazy to me is boxing is very respected in the United States, and MMA is very respected. But one of the things that people like about MMA is stand-up. They like the striking.

Cedric Doumbé 12:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:44 But the best striking is like glory-

Cedric Doumbé 12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:47 ... or Muay Thai, like the, the best elite kickboxers are the best strikers.

Cedric Doumbé 12:52 That's right. But I think people love the cage.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 12:55 People love the blood, so small gloves.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Mm.

Cedric Doumbé 12:59 You know, that's what, that's what people like. People don't like you to... Don't like, uh, how you say that? (smacks lips) Uh, knockdown.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 13:07 They like KO or nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 13:09 Yeah, they don't like the break and one, two, three. No, they like, yeah, they like to see, to, to watch KO's, so that's what... I think that's why they prefer-

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 13:18 ... MMA.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Well, is there a movement at all to try to get MMA, full MMA, legalized in France?

Cedric Doumbé 13:24 (smacks lips) Uh, I think in, in January it's gonna be, it's gonna be okay.

Joe Rogan 13:29 So they're gonna have to allow strikes on the ground, though, in France?

Cedric Doumbé 13:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything, everything.

Joe Rogan 13:33 Soon?

Cedric Doumbé 13:33 So in January.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Yeah. Oh, in January?

Cedric Doumbé 13:36 So, yeah, in January.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Oh, in January.

Cedric Doumbé 13:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 Oh, okay.

Cedric Doumbé 13:38 And I think UFC gonna come in, in France.

Joe Rogan 13:40 So they'll probably be a UFC in Paris?

Cedric Doumbé 13:41 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 13:42 Oh, okay.

Cedric Doumbé 13:43 I think so.

Joe Rogan 13:43 That sounds wild.

Cedric Doumbé 13:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:45 Yeah, well, the more guys like you get involved in MMA, though, the more it complicates kickboxing, though, because, like, when elite fighters, world champions like yourself make a jump to MMA, then people might look at kickboxing as a stepping stone instead of as a valid individual sport.

Cedric Doumbé 14:03 Yeah, yeah, that's right. But, uh, you mean when a guy, uh, step from kickboxing to MMA?

Joe Rogan 14:10 Yeah, that like maybe people won't care as much about kickboxing because they'll look at it as a stepping stone to MMA.

Cedric Doumbé 14:16 Yeah, yeah, of course. And, uh, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's what I, that's what I wanna d- I wanna do also, because I think, um, for a guy from, uh, kickboxing to, to go in MMA is, it's not really difficult for him if, uh, yeah, if you learn, uh, the ground game.

Joe Rogan 14:34 And wrestling takedown defense.

Cedric Doumbé 14:34 Yeah, wr- wrestle, takedown defense. If you learn that, it's gon- it's gonna be, yeah, s- more simple than a guy who come from Muay Thai. You know, Muay Thai is, is really different like kickboxing. Kickboxing, when you fight in kickboxing, you move a lot already, you're not a stand- a standing target, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:54 Mm.

Cedric Doumbé 14:54 Instead of Muay Thai. Muay Thai, you d- if you watch Muay Thai, you fight, they don't move a lot, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:00 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 15:00 They stay still and the fight is, is, is all about power, power kicks, power punches. So-

Joe Rogan 15:08 Why do you think that's different? Because of the clinch? Because of elbows and knees, like...

Cedric Doumbé 15:12 Because of the, the, the movement, the movement. In, in, in MMA, they stay still, and in kickboxing, the- there is no, you know, there is no break, you know? They just keep fighting-

Joe Rogan 15:21 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 15:22 ... one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. And, uh, in Muay Thai, it's more like one, one, one, elbow-

Joe Rogan 15:27 Mm.

Cedric Doumbé 15:27 ... knees, (smacks lips) and yeah, also, but the clinch is good for MMA because then, you know, in MMA-

Joe Rogan 15:33 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 15:33 ... yeah, the wr-

Joe Rogan 15:33 The Thai clinch.

Cedric Doumbé 15:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 15:35 Of course, this is good for MMA.

Joe Rogan 15:37 Now, in France, is it easy to get wrestling? Do you, do you get wrestling training?

Cedric Doumbé 15:43 I, uh, in France, I get grappling training. I think here in USA, you call that BJJ no gi.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

Cedric Doumbé 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 No gi.

Cedric Doumbé 15:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Yeah, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 15:51 No gi, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 15:51 That's why I, that's why, uh, I'm training in France. It's a very, very big team-

Joe Rogan 15:54 What about takedowns or takedown defense and wrestling?

Cedric Doumbé 15:57 But, you know, this, this, this style of, um, of, uh, no gi training I get is, uh, is a little bit different like, uh, as B- BJJ because we start, uh, on our feet.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Uh-huh.

Cedric Doumbé 16:10 And, uh, and y- and we use the waist, and then after the takedown, we continue, so-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 16:16 ... it's not like an, an Olympic wrestling.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 16:19 But it is... They call that luta livre.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Okay.

Cedric Doumbé 16:22 I don't know if you, you heard about it.

Joe Rogan 16:23 Yes. No, luta livre is what they call it in Brazil, but I, I know what you're saying. Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 16:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah. Um, so in America, most Brazilian jiu-jitsu, they start on the ground already. They'll start on the knees or something like that-

Cedric Doumbé 16:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:34 ... to avoid accidents.

Cedric Doumbé 16:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Because, you know, you got a class full of 40 people-

Cedric Doumbé 16:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:38 ... rolling around together and they're trying to tackle each other and c- colliding.

Cedric Doumbé 16:41 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:41 People blow their knees out and things along those lines.

Cedric Doumbé 16:44 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 16:45 So that's why I'm training in, uh, in, in Paris, a very big team. The coach is Mehdi Otman. He's very good and, uh, he say for the, for the future, I'm very, very, very good. I learn fast for... I learn very fast and-

Joe Rogan 16:57 Of course.

Cedric Doumbé 16:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:58 You're an elite athlete.

Cedric Doumbé 16:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Now, at 26, what, how much time do you think you need between now and when you have your first MMA fight?

Cedric Doumbé 17:08 You know what is my dream?

Joe Rogan 17:09 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 17:10 Now is, now I beat everybody so, like, I'm getting bored in, uh, in kickboxing, you know? I still defending my, my title because I like it, because of the cash prize also, and, um, (smacks lips) my dream is I still in contract in, uh, for one, one year and a half, (smacks lips) little bit more than one year. My dream is prepare myself to MMA (smacks lips) during one year, so I still got time. And after the, the end of the contract, directly go to UFC and take the champ for the, uh, a direct title shot or a top five ranked guy. I really, I really, really would like to fight Nate Diaz or, uh, Anthony Pettis for, for my f- my first fight MMA to... Why? To, to, to shock, only to shock the world, to, to show everybody that a guy who come from kickboxing-... directly, his first fight is against a top guy in MMA and he, he fuck him up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:23 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 18:24 So (laughs) that's what I wanna do and I really, really believe in me and I know I will, I can and I will do it.

Joe Rogan 18:31 Now have you been in c- in talks with UFC? Does UFC know about your plans?

Cedric Doumbé 18:36 Not yet.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Not yet.

Cedric Doumbé 18:37 Yet.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Will they do now-

Cedric Doumbé 18:38 Uh, not yet.

Joe Rogan 18:39 ... because of this?

Cedric Doumbé 18:39 But I think after this show-

Joe Rogan 18:41 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 18:41 ... they'll be here about it, so-

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah, now they're gonna know.

Cedric Doumbé 18:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 So you're training at AKA, was that the first time you ever trained up there?

Cedric Doumbé 18:48 No, it's my second time.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Second time?

Cedric Doumbé 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 When did you train before?

Cedric Doumbé 18:51 Before was one years ago, November, yeah, I came here after my Glory fight. Uh, I broke my ribs, so I took a little bit, uh, vacation in Thailand and then, uh, after that, yeah, I just fly to, uh, AKA San Jose. And yeah, I meet, I met everybody, DC. Khabib wasn't there, but I met there a lot of great, great teammate. Uh, the, the wrestling level is just amazing there, so I met Jav also-

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 19:22 ... Javier Men- uh-

Joe Rogan 19:22 Javier Mendes, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 19:23 Yeah. Si.

Joe Rogan 19:25 So that's a great camp for a guy like you too because it's very wrestling heavy.

Cedric Doumbé 19:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:29 You know?

Cedric Doumbé 19:29 That's, that's what I, that's what I like, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:31 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 19:32 I wanna train, you know, what did I say to Meiji in France? I say, "I wanna train wrestling BJJ like I wanna be a world, world champion of wrestling," you know?

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 19:42 So I just wanna train wrestling like a wrestler. I, I don't just wanna train my take-down defense or shit like that, no. I just, I want people to be afraid of me, uh, on the ground, you know? So-

Joe Rogan 19:53 Mm-hmm. Well-

Cedric Doumbé 19:54 ... as I learn fast, as I really like it, I think that's the level I wanna get.

Joe Rogan 20:00 And how is it going when you train at AKA? Are you hanging in there? Like, uh, d- do you find it uncomfortable? Like, f- how's it going?

Cedric Doumbé 20:08 Of course, of- of course as a, as a tr- a striker, uh, in striking, yeah, um, my level is higher than anybody else in AKA. But, uh, in the ground, yeah, they are fucking, fucking strong.

Joe Rogan 20:21 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 20:21 So (laughs) yeah, everybody there, their, their... I tap everybo- every day I tap in AKA.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 20:28 Yeah. Yeah, for the moment and, uh, yeah, they say I learn very-

Joe Rogan 20:31 But you have plans on tapping them?

Cedric Doumbé 20:33 Yeah, of course. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 20:35 For the moment I tap and, uh, because I'm learning and, uh, they say I learn very, very, very fast. Like, they show me once and then I get it, you know, five minute later I get it. And so I- I feel very confident for the future in, in MMA and I think I will do it.

Joe Rogan 20:51 You... Well, I'm hoping you do. Um, it's always exciting to see world champions-

Cedric Doumbé 20:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:56 ... and, uh, particularly kickboxing make that way to MMA-

Cedric Doumbé 21:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:00 ... and to the UFC. And for a guy like you it's a perfect thing because you're so young-

Cedric Doumbé 21:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:05 ... 'cause you're 26 and you're already a, a very accomplished world champion.

Cedric Doumbé 21:08 That's right and you... I- I think, I'm thinking about, um, Israel Adesanya, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:14 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 21:15 He, he, he, in Ada he couldn't do it, you know? He-

Joe Rogan 21:18 But he, he was very smart.

Cedric Doumbé 21:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Israel, the way he planned it, he really worked on his take-down defense-

Cedric Doumbé 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 ... and made sure that he... by the time he made it to the UFC, he was already at an elite level.

Cedric Doumbé 21:29 Yeah, he was an elite, but he got a title shot in, uh, in Glory and he lost. And after that he, he went to UFC, you know? So, uh, that's what I wanna do.

Joe Rogan 21:41 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 21:41 I- I wanna be the only one to, to, to be able to, yeah, to, to do that, you know? And, uh, Glory kickboxing champ and then UFC champ.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Yeah, he fought Wilnis, right?

Cedric Doumbé 21:53 Wilnis, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 Yeah, very close fight, I thought.

Cedric Doumbé 21:55 Jason Wi- it was very close.

Joe Rogan 21:56 I thought he won.

Cedric Doumbé 21:58 Some people thought he won.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 21:59 And some know that-

Joe Rogan 22:01 Yeah, but Jason Wilnis is elite. He's-

Cedric Doumbé 22:03 He's elite, of course.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 22:04 He's a really great fighter.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Very, very high-level fighter. Well, Glory is, like, so exciting. I'm, I'm such a fan.

Cedric Doumbé 22:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 I love watching it, man. It's like one of my favorite things to watch.

Cedric Doumbé 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 It just, uh, it drives me crazy that it's not popular and, and I was very excited when it was on Spike TV in America.

Cedric Doumbé 22:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:19 It was... They were making a big deal out of it. It looked like they were gonna, you know, try to promote it as much as possible and they tried it for a little while, but then they stopped. And now it's on ESPN a little bit.

Cedric Doumbé 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 And it's on, uh, UFC Fight Pass, which is great.

Cedric Doumbé 22:32 I think the, the country where Glory is very, very most popular is in Holland.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 22:37 I think.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 22:38 And France it's also popular, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:40 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 22:41 Some people recognize me in, in the street when I, when I walk in France.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Oh, yeah?

Cedric Doumbé 22:45 Yeah, because of Glory. Is, is very popular in, in Europe.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Well, uh, Murtel Groenhart, he's... Is he the guy that you're fighting next?

Cedric Doumbé 22:53 Uh, he's the guy who want me to beat his ass next, but-

Joe Rogan 22:57 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 22:57 ... I don't know if I will fight him next, but-

Joe Rogan 23:00 Do you have a fight scheduled next?

Cedric Doumbé 23:01 N- not yet, not yet.

Joe Rogan 23:03 'Cause Gro- Groenhart's been talking a lot of shit.

Cedric Doumbé 23:05 Yeah, he talk a lot of shit, but-

Joe Rogan 23:06 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 23:06 ... because he, he, he know I'm the money fighter, so (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 23:09 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 23:10 ... that's why he's talking against me. But, uh, yeah, I, I would like to fight Murtel next because, uh, when we fight each other people really, really like it because-

Joe Rogan 23:20 It's a great fight.

Cedric Doumbé 23:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:21 He's very good.

Cedric Doumbé 23:21 It was a great fighter.

Joe Rogan 23:22 He's a very good fighter.

Cedric Doumbé 23:23 He's very entertaining and, uh, yeah, people like it, so...

Joe Rogan 23:26 But you've already beaten him?

Cedric Doumbé 23:27 Sorry?

Joe Rogan 23:28 You've already beaten him?

Cedric Doumbé 23:29 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 23:30 Yes. You've-

Cedric Doumbé 23:30 Of course.

Joe Rogan 23:31 What did... How did that fight go? I'm trying to remember.

Cedric Doumbé 23:34 Uh, I, I, I won by point, but wasn't a good fight for me, you know. Wasn't a good... When I look at that fight today, yeah, for sure I'm saying that it wasn't-

Joe Rogan 23:44 Was that four years ago? How many years ago was that?

Cedric Doumbé 23:46 It was, yeah four years ago. Four years ago, yeah. F- yeah, four years ago, yeah, before the belt, yeah, four or five years ago. Was in Paris and, uh, yeah, I won the fight. And, uh, yeah, for me it's, it's gonna be interesting if I fight him because I fought everybody in that division. So I don't know who they're gonna be, who gonna be my next opponent, but yeah, sounds good for, for Murtel. And then, yeah it's gonna be a, it's gonna be only rematch, you know, only rematch, rematch, rematch for them.

Joe Rogan 24:16 So from then out, one year plus, then you make your way into the, the world of the UFC, no matter what?

Cedric Doumbé 24:24 No.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Even if Glory comes with more money, if Glory's like, "Listen, Doumbe, we love you."

Cedric Doumbé 24:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:30 "Stick around."

Cedric Doumbé 24:31 No, I really, I really like Glory, you know. Uh, Glory is my, my first great experience as a, yeah, as a real champ and, uh, they're, they are doing great job for me, you know. Uh, um, I really like Glory. But I have to think about me first.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Right, your legacy.

Cedric Doumbé 24:52 And, um, yeah, my legacy. And, uh, I, I, I like to do what I love to do. So for the moment, I love kickboxing, I love defending my title. I love the, the, the, the Glory, um, event, you know, the, the team. I love every, every- everybody and everything in Glory. But tomorrow, I don't know, I don't know. I, I just gonna follow my, my goal, follow my, um, my needs and, uh, yeah, I, I want to be the, the... I hope the first French UFC champion.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 25:28 And, uh, that's what I, that's what I want. I wanna shock the world. I wanna, I wanna write, uh, my story and a new story. People never heard about it, so even if Glory come with a big, big, big money, no, I just wanna follow what I, what I wanna do.

Joe Rogan 25:46 You just have a plan.

Cedric Doumbé 25:47 Yeah, I have a plan.

Joe Rogan 25:48 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 25:48 And I, and I will get more, more after that so I will not fail. I'm confident.

Joe Rogan 25:53 So you've been out here now, uh, you went to the UFC event and then you did some training at AKA. Like, uh, w- when you are outside of camp, say like whenever your fight is scheduled, how much, uh, t- w- what kind of training are you doing when you're not in camp? Are you mixing it up now and trying to do a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of BJJ?

Cedric Doumbé 26:14 When I'm not in camp what I do... So my, um, my conditioning trainer, Valentino Gargiulo, he follow me everywhere, he's with me today. And, uh, we just train strength, conditioning because before that was my weakness, the condition.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 26:31 I used, I used to knock everybody out at the first round. So I never trained my condition, I never took it very serious because I used to knock people out at the first round. So when I did my first five round, I was like, "Wow, damn, the condition is so, so important." So that's why I'm training a lot, you know, uh, strength for sure, conditioning and also, yeah, when I'm not... when I h- I don't have a fight, kickboxing fight planned, I train BJJ, I train wrestling, MMA and, uh, yeah, it is a completely different condition. It's crazy when you, when you wrestle with a guy and then you, you, you get up and you're trying to strike, fuck.

Joe Rogan 27:13 You're exhausted.

Cedric Doumbé 27:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really-

Joe Rogan 27:15 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 27:15 It's very-

Joe Rogan 27:15 Your arms are filled with blood.

Cedric Doumbé 27:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 27:16 You doesn't feel nothing any more.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Your legs.

Cedric Doumbé 27:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 27:18 It's very crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Now what kind of strength and conditioning do you... are you doing and how often are you doing it? Like say if you're, if you're preparing for a fight-

Cedric Doumbé 27:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 ... how many days a week do you do strength and conditioning?

Cedric Doumbé 27:28 When I'm pr- I'm preparing for a fight, uh, every day.

Joe Rogan 27:33 Every day.

Cedric Doumbé 27:33 Every day. It's not... of course, it's not the same training, but every day I see Valentino and, uh, we train together. Yeah. Every day. I train more conditioning and strength more than kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 27:46 Yeah. I, I don't have a, uh, a trainer in kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 27:48 What?

Cedric Doumbé 27:49 (laughs) Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 27:51 What?

Cedric Doumbé 27:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:51 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 27:52 People, people don't believe, doesn't believe me when I say that, but I don't have-

Joe Rogan 27:55 You train yourself?

Cedric Doumbé 27:56 I train myself.

Joe Rogan 27:57 That's insane.

Cedric Doumbé 27:58 I have, of course, my friend in, uh, in France who hold, hold meets for me for sure.

Joe Rogan 28:04 Pfft.

Cedric Doumbé 28:04 I can't, I can't hold meets for my- myself. He hold meets for me and we just talk together, we just plan, uh, a game plan together for a fight. We just talk. I'm my own coach, you know.

Joe Rogan 28:16 That is crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 28:17 I never had a coach.

Joe Rogan 28:18 To be at your level-

Cedric Doumbé 28:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:19 ... to be your own co-... You've never had a coach?

Cedric Doumbé 28:21 No. Of course I have, I had the first-

Joe Rogan 28:24 Guys who teach you.

Cedric Doumbé 28:24 Yeah, he teach me.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 28:25 After that, he couldn't teach me anymore because, because of his job, you know, when I, when I was young. And then I just move from, uh, to country and countries and countries to learn, to learn, to learn and then came back in France, Paris and I just train myself.

Joe Rogan 28:40 That is insane.

Cedric Doumbé 28:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:41 How many world champions just train themselves?

Cedric Doumbé 28:44 I think nobody. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:45 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 28:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:47 How do you do that? That sounds cra- but why didn't you get a- another coach?

Cedric Doumbé 28:51 I don't know, because I didn't find a coach who can... I don't know, can just teach me. I, I really don't know. That's a good question. I don't, I don't know why didn't... why I didn't found a, a, a new coach, I don't know, because you know-

Joe Rogan 29:05 Have you thought about making any trips to Holland or to Thailand or-

Cedric Doumbé 29:08 You, you know, you know Bordeaux in France?

Joe Rogan 29:11 Sure.

Cedric Doumbé 29:11 Yeah. So I, I wa- I was raised there, that's where I started, uh, kickboxing. I started with full contact, you know full contact?

Joe Rogan 29:18 Sure.

Cedric Doumbé 29:19 Rick Rufus was-

Joe Rogan 29:19 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 29:20 ... my first idol.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 29:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Oh, wow.

Cedric Doumbé 29:22 I, I was watching Rick Ruf- Rufus every day.

Joe Rogan 29:24 His brother Duke is one of the big coaches in MMA today.

Cedric Doumbé 29:27 Yeah, his name is, um... his brother...

Joe Rogan 29:30 Duke, Duke Rufus.

Cedric Doumbé 29:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Yes. Yeah. He's a friend of mine. He's great.

Cedric Doumbé 29:33 Yeah? Oh, nice.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Yeah, he's, uh, out of Milwaukee. He has-

Cedric Doumbé 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:37 ... a Rufus sport.

Cedric Doumbé 29:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:38 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 29:38 So when I started full contact, I was watching all the fight of, uh, of Rick Rufus.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Rick Rufus-

Cedric Doumbé 29:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:43 ... the Jet.

Cedric Doumbé 29:44 Especially, uh, Rick Rufus against Rob Kaman was-

Joe Rogan 29:47 Wow.

Cedric Doumbé 29:47 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 29:47 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 29:47 The first and the second was crazy, crazy, crazy.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 29:51 Rick Rufus against, uh, Ernesto Hoost-

Joe Rogan 29:53 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 29:53 ... full contact fight.

Joe Rogan 29:54 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 29:55 So, um, after, after my, my first coach, uh, couldn't teach me anymore, I just flew out to, um, Amsterdam because of, yeah, because of Kaman, you know, in my mind I was thinking about, okay, uh, where is the best kickboxing in the planet? Um, um, Holland. So I went to Holland, Mejiro Gym was famous-

Joe Rogan 30:16 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 30:16 ... because of Rob Kaman, because of, uh, Remy Bonjasky.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Sure.

Cedric Doumbé 30:20 And, uh, I went to Mejiro Gym, I trained there maybe two years, you know, I was flying Bordeaux, Amsterdam during t- two years and, uh, yeah, uh, the coach was André Minnaar.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 30:33 He teached me a lot, you know, uh, I learned a lot there and when I, I figure out that I couldn't learn anymore-... uh, else in Muay Thai. I just went to Belgium because I met Samir Mahjoubi. He is a very, very great coach. For me, he is the best coach I never, I never had.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Well, why wouldn't you spend your camps with him, then?

Cedric Doumbé 30:54 Why?

Joe Rogan 30:55 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 30:55 Because, because we meet each other at, uh, an event in France and then I saw one of, uh, his fighter. He was fighting. And then when I saw his technique, his, uh, his condition... He was- you know, his first round was looking the same at his fifth round. It was crazy. A very, very high level condition.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 31:17 His name is Mohamed Ndoube, was very crazy and I say, "That's- that's like this I wanna fight."

Joe Rogan 31:23 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 31:23 He was so technical, you know. And I say, "That's what- like this I wanna fight." Uh, I went to Belgium in Brussels and I train with him. Also, two years I was, uh, driving Paris-Brussels, Paris-Brussels, uh, two years. During t- two years, I train with him and I... That's with Samir that, um, I won my first belt against Nicky Holzken. He cha- if you watch my fight before Nicky Holzken and the fight against Nicky Holzken, it's completely two different fighter, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:53 So why don't you do your camps with him now?

Cedric Doumbé 31:56 Now because he live in Brussels.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Oh, 'cause it's too hard to go to Brussels?

Cedric Doumbé 31:58 And I live in Par-... Yeah, yeah. It's too hard.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 32:00 I can't anymore do that. So that's why I left Samir, but Samir is still in my corner when I fight.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 32:07 He just come, you know, but I don't train anymore with Samir.

Joe Rogan 32:11 So there's no one in Paris?

Cedric Doumbé 32:13 No, no.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Or in Bordeaux that you can...

Cedric Doumbé 32:16 For me, the best, the best, the best, uh, trainer, the best school is, uh, in Brussels, the Queensberry Gym and I never found another, another team with that kind of love, so I cannot train with, uh, any coach, you know. And I just train myself. My- my friend hold weights for me and I train with Valentino, the conditioning training.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 32:37 For me, it was more important than- than the kickboxing. Everybody know how to kickbox now. We know how to kickbox, but the difference we- we make with the conditioning for me.

Joe Rogan 32:48 That's interesting.

Cedric Doumbé 32:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:49 You know, there's a thought- there's a thought process that, uh, follows those lines in MMA.

Cedric Doumbé 32:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:55 And it's, uh, Marv Marinovich and this guy Nick Kurson and they've only trained a few fighters, but they've had very high levels of success-

Cedric Doumbé 33:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:03 ... because of their conditioning. And what they- they say is that you already know how to fight.

Cedric Doumbé 33:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:07 So just let's concentrate on the conditioning and get your conditioning to a super high level and that when you're fighting, you can just go.

Cedric Doumbé 33:16 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 33:17 You don't have to think about it.

Cedric Doumbé 33:17 That's what I say every time when I- when I- I- I give advices to- to people. They say, "What should I train? This, this, this technique?" I say, "Listen. Between two- two fighters, uh, in the same level, the same experience, what's gonna make the difference? The condition in the fight, you know." If you fight one, two, three rounds and then you fucked up-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 33:40 ... you're gonna lose the fight.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 33:41 But if you fight five round and even if you're not good enough, uh, technically, you're gonna- you're gonna win the fight for sure.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Because you don't get tired.

Cedric Doumbé 33:52 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 33:53 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 33:53 So...

Joe Rogan 33:53 Now, another crazy thing about you that people might not know is that you're a comedian.

Cedric Doumbé 33:59 (laughs) Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 34:00 You're a stand-up comedian-

Cedric Doumbé 34:01 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 34:02 ... which is hilarious.

Cedric Doumbé 34:03 Before, before.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 34:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:04 But do you- for you to be a world champion kickboxer and a stand-up comedian, that is a very unusual combination.

Cedric Doumbé 34:11 Yeah, that's right, because first my first dream and that still- still my dream today is to become an actor, a comedian. And, uh, before- before I started, uh, combat sport, yeah, I was doing stand-up, I was- uh, I was in high school also, I was, uh, learning, um, uh, comedian stuff, uh, actor, acting and I really- I really like it. And then, uh, come the combat sport and then I started to improve myself to become, yeah, more to fight, to fight, to fight. And then I- I stopped a little bit, uh, yeah, stand-up, acting. But three months ago, I was- uh, I played in a small movie, short movie in France. Yeah, I played- it's gonna- it's gonna go out in few- in few- few weeks.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Now, when you do stand-up in Paris, are you working at comedy clubs? Like, do they have comedy clubs in Paris?

Cedric Doumbé 35:07 It's not in Paris. Uh, comedy club in- in Bordeaux.

Joe Rogan 35:09 In France?

Cedric Doumbé 35:10 In Bordeaux.

Joe Rogan 35:10 In Bordeaux?

Cedric Doumbé 35:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 35:11 I was very young. I was- I still young (laughs) , but I was, yeah, 18, 19.

Joe Rogan 35:16 And so Bordeaux has comedy clubs?

Cedric Doumbé 35:18 Yes, comedy club in Bordeaux.

Joe Rogan 35:19 And it's all obviously in French?

Cedric Doumbé 35:21 In French, of course.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 35:22 Yeah, not in English.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 35:24 I never-

Joe Rogan 35:24 Have you ever done comedy in English?

Cedric Doumbé 35:25 Never.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Never?

Cedric Doumbé 35:26 No. Oh, yes. One in, uh- I think you can find it in, uh, YouTube is, uh, I was, um, I was teaching people how to cook- how to good- how to cook a- a great, uh, chicken.

Joe Rogan 35:39 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 35:39 Yeah, I did that- I did that, uh, with Glory. I was promoting my- my- my- my second fight against Nicky Holzken and I was training in Belgium, Brussels, and I did- I did it with- with Glory.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Wow.

Cedric Doumbé 35:52 You can find it on YouTube.

Joe Rogan 35:53 So is that something you would think of doing once you retire from fighting?

Cedric Doumbé 35:57 Yeah, that's- I really wanna do it. That's my first- my first, um- my first way. That's what I really, really want to do in fun-... yeah, in the top of my bottom- of, um, in the top of my heart, that's- that's what I wanna become.

Joe Rogan 36:10 Yeah, 'cause I read that y- if you had to choose between being a famous comedian or a famous fighter, you would choose to be a famous comedian?

Cedric Doumbé 36:16 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 36:17 Yeah, really.

Joe Rogan 36:18 But that's so crazy when you see how good you are at fighting.

Cedric Doumbé 36:20 Yeah. You know, people- people doesn't believe me when I say that, but, uh, if- if I didn't find, uh- uh... if kickboxing didn't found me because I think- I didn't find- I didn't found kickboxing, kickboxing found me. If kickboxing didn't, uh- uh, never found me, I would follow my- my way in, uh, in comedy stuff. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:44 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 36:44 Yeah, for sure. And-

Joe Rogan 36:45 So...

Cedric Doumbé 36:46 ... now I'm good in kickboxing so I just follow myself.

Joe Rogan 36:48 Well, you're better than good. (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 36:49 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 36:51 Now how did you become ... How did kickboxing find you? You said it found you.

Cedric Doumbé 36:55 Because I was, I was, uh, 16, so 10 years ago, I was 16 and, uh, I was playing soccer. I was playing soccer and, uh, I wasn't that good. I was, yeah, just, I was just fast, you know.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 37:11 Fast. And in front of the goal I was falling. (laughs) No, I wasn't that good, you know, and, um, one, one day my cousin just, just call me and he say, "Hey, in front of the house, in the neighborhood there is a gym, uh, boxing is there." Uh, I thought, I thought, I thought there was boxing like Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson.

Joe Rogan 37:34 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 37:34 I say, "Yeah, if ... Yes, but so what?" He said, "Yeah, let's go try, uh, it's gonna be, maybe it's gonna be funny, you know." I saw, I saw people goes out from there, they, they had a ... How you, how you call that?

Joe Rogan 37:47 Black eye?

Cedric Doumbé 37:47 Yeah, black eye. (laughs) He says gonna ... "It should be funny." I say, "Okay, once we're gonna d- we're go- we're gonna go there." So after my, um, my soccer training, I went there once, I tried and I, I discover that it was full contact with legs, with high kick, middle kick. It was little bit strange but I just follow, I just train, getting better and better and just I like it. And-

Joe Rogan 38:11 So immediately, like, you caught the vibe.

Cedric Doumbé 38:13 Yeah, immediately. After my first training I went there. And do you know that, that? And you know that? My mother was against that. Uh, she say, "No, no, no, I don't want you to f- to, to fight. I don't want you to train, uh, boxing. I don't want any boxing in this house." I was ... I, I cry when the, when she, she say that because I really like, uh, uh, full contact combat sport, so I cried when, uh, when she told me that. And I was training, but she doesn't, she, she doesn't knew that, she doesn't know that.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 38:43 No.

Joe Rogan 38:44 Secret.

Cedric Doumbé 38:44 Yes, secret, it was secret. Uh-

Joe Rogan 38:46 How old were you when you had your first fight?

Cedric Doumbé 38:48 My first, 17.

Joe Rogan 38:49 17?

Cedric Doumbé 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 And so, like, you-

Cedric Doumbé 38:50 She didn't know, she didn't know. No.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Oh. So this was full contact, or, uh-

Cedric Doumbé 38:53 Full contact, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:54 Okay. So which-

Cedric Doumbé 38:54 I did maybe three years full contact and then I changed to kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Yeah. Pe- let's explain to f- people who don't know, full contact is, uh, no leg kicks.

Cedric Doumbé 39:02 Yeah, n-

Joe Rogan 39:03 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 39:03 No, full contact is no low kicks.

Joe Rogan 39:06 Low kicks?

Cedric Doumbé 39:06 Yeah, only on-

Joe Rogan 39:07 Leg, yeah, leg kicks.

Cedric Doumbé 39:08 ... on kicks, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:08 That's what I meant.

Cedric Doumbé 39:08 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 39:09 Like, kick the legs. Yeah, low kicks.

Cedric Doumbé 39:10 Only middle kicks.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys c- have different terminology.

Cedric Doumbé 39:14 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:14 You guys call it low kick in England and yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 39:16 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 39:16 We call it leg kicks.

Cedric Doumbé 39:17 Leg kicks only.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Yeah, but low kicks is correct.

Cedric Doumbé 39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Low kicks is correct. So, uh, you just can't kick the legs which is interesting 'cause that's very effective, and you're very good at that.

Cedric Doumbé 39:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:26 It's a big part of your game right now.

Cedric Doumbé 39:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So ... But I'm better in boxing, so ... Because I start with, with full contact.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 39:34 And it's, it's a little bit, it's a little bit similar than, than boxing the way you move.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 39:39 The, the way you fight because no low kick, no leg kicks.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 39:43 So, so yeah, it's a little bit similar as boxing. And, uh, when I was training, uh, full contact, I was watching a lot of Muhammad Ali. So ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:53 Mm, a lot of movement.

Cedric Doumbé 39:53 Yeah, a lot of movements, so-

Joe Rogan 39:55 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 39:55 I'm better in the, in the, in boxing when I fight kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 39:58 When did your mom find out?

Cedric Doumbé 40:01 After, after one year, after my first fight. She was like, "Where? When ... Where was you?" I say, "No, I was in, uh, in the soccer training." And she say, "Why do you have gloves?" I say, "Oh, sometime I go to watch boxing." And she say, "I told you, I don't want you to watch and to, to, to fight." I say, "No, no, no, I don't, I'm d- I no ... I'm not training, just watching." She, she say, "No, I don't want it." And every day I just went to the, to, to train, to train, to train, and, uh, she doesn't see me with any, uh, black eye or things like that. So one day she was very, very tired and I say, "Yeah, uh, Mom, listen, I went to the, the boxing training." And she was like, "Okay." And then the day after, I went to the boxing training. She was like, "Okay." I think because she didn't see me with any black eyes, I ... That's, that's why she was scared at first, I think.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Right, she didn't want you to get hurt.

Cedric Doumbé 40:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 40:59 And then sh- she just accept the, the thing because I make, um ... In French we, we call that forcing. I just, (laughs) I just went to the training, like, "Fuck it. I like it so I do it." (laughs) And today-

Joe Rogan 41:11 What do you call it? What do you say in French?

Cedric Doumbé 41:12 Forcing.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Forcing?

Cedric Doumbé 41:13 Yeah, forcing, like, you just, uh, we just go, and you, you don't care, you don't care if someone tell y- say, "Don't do that." You just go-

Joe Rogan 41:21 It's like, "Fuck it."

Cedric Doumbé 41:21 Yeah, like, "Fuck it."

Joe Rogan 41:23 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 41:23 And, uh, let me show you a video-

Joe Rogan 41:25 Okay.

Cedric Doumbé 41:25 ... of my mom. So it's very funny because sometime I s- I send her this video. I say, "Look at you." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:34 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 41:34 "Look at you. You, you didn't want me to, to fight first and now look at you."

Joe Rogan 41:39 And now she's very excited.

Cedric Doumbé 41:40 Yeah. So you can see.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Well, I mean, she must be happy that you're doing it now, now that you're a world champion.

Cedric Doumbé 41:45 Yeah, she's very happy.

Joe Rogan 41:45 And she gets to watch you on television.

Cedric Doumbé 41:47 Yeah. That's my motivation, my mom, for me.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Oh, that's beautiful.

Cedric Doumbé 41:50 Yeah, for me it's everything. If I come true, my stories is, pff, is, uh, is amazing. My mom did everything for my sister and me.

Joe Rogan 41:57 And now watching the continue is Du Fen, he's turning...

Cedric Doumbé 42:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:03 ... the American stage Oh, look at your mom.

Cedric Doumbé 42:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:05 Oh, that's amazing.

Cedric Doumbé 42:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:08 Wow.

Cedric Doumbé 42:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:09 That's incredible, man. And still continuing is Du Fen, he's turning- Oh, man.

Cedric Doumbé 42:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing.

Cedric Doumbé 42:18 And now she's like that. And I, I-

Joe Rogan 42:19 That's gotta be so crazy. Imagine if you're a mother, you give birth to a, a boy, you b- give birth to a child-

Cedric Doumbé 42:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 ... and then you grow that chil- they raise that child, and then you watch that child become a world champion.

Cedric Doumbé 42:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:29 That must be crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 42:31 It's crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 Just your baby-

Cedric Doumbé 42:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Your baby.

Cedric Doumbé 42:33 (laughs) For her, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Fucking people up. (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 42:36 (laughs) And she's like ... And when I, when I ... Sometime when I talk with my mother, I say, "Listen, I really, I do my best in the gym, I train every day, harder and harder."... to, um, uh, to, to knock people out. And I really hope that I will never get knock out because I don't want you to see-

Joe Rogan 43:00 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 43:00 To see me, yeah, fall down, you know.

Joe Rogan 43:02 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 43:02 I don't... I don't want, want her to feel this, uh, this kind of emotion because-

Joe Rogan 43:06 Sure, sure.

Cedric Doumbé 43:06 Yeah, I just want her to be, to be happy that I won.

Joe Rogan 43:10 So you train very hard so that she never asks-

Cedric Doumbé 43:12 So that's why I train, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Yeah. There it is. Oh, th- we're watching the video here.

Cedric Doumbé 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 That is an amazing video.

Cedric Doumbé 43:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:16 People get ch- look at you strutting too.

Cedric Doumbé 43:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:18 Look at you laughing.

Cedric Doumbé 43:18 And you know the- the- the- the- the woman-

Joe Rogan 43:20 Oh, that's beautiful.

Cedric Doumbé 43:21 ... she's hugging, he, he, he, he doesn't even know her. (laughs) It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:25 Your last fight against, uh, how do you say his name, Nabiev?

Cedric Doumbé 43:28 Alim Nabiev. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, man.

Cedric Doumbé 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 He's very good. And for you to knock him out like that, the way you did.

Cedric Doumbé 43:35 Nobody knock him out in-

Joe Rogan 43:36 No.

Cedric Doumbé 43:36 ... in Glory. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 He's very tricky.

Cedric Doumbé 43:38 Yeah, he's tricky.

Joe Rogan 43:38 He's sneaky.

Cedric Doumbé 43:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 That guy fights very technical as well.

Cedric Doumbé 43:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 43:42 But I was so focused, you know, on th- on that fight because d-

Joe Rogan 43:45 Did you ever see Robin Bra... Do you know who Robin Black is?

Cedric Doumbé 43:48 No.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Robin Black is a friend of mine, and he, (clears throat) he breaks down fights.

Cedric Doumbé 43:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 He, he talks about like what someone did that worked so well.

Cedric Doumbé 43:56 The guy who say, "Enjoy the hostility, my friends."

Joe Rogan 43:59 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 43:59 No... Yes.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Yes, yes.

Cedric Doumbé 44:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:01 That's exactly... Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 44:02 I saw the video.

Joe Rogan 44:03 He's famous for saying, "Bink."

Cedric Doumbé 44:04 Bink, bink.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Bink. (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 44:06 (laughs) I know that guy.

Joe Rogan 44:08 Yeah, I love that guy. He's a good friend of mine. But, uh, he did a breakdown of your fight.

Cedric Doumbé 44:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:13 The way you set up that right hand-

Cedric Doumbé 44:15 I saw, I saw, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:15 The way you knocked him out was very cool.

Cedric Doumbé 44:17 I saw, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:17 It's very cool to see that getting more and more attention, you know, because-

Cedric Doumbé 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 ... Nabiev is very good, man. So for you to set him up like that, uh-

Cedric Doumbé 44:24 The second round, as I, I say-

Joe Rogan 44:26 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 44:26 ... before the fight, I say, "I will knock him out at the second round." Because second round... The first round for me is just a warming up.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 44:32 And then the second round, I feel very, very good. That is the most dangerous f- uh, round when you fight against me because the second round, I'm raw, you know.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Looks.

Cedric Doumbé 44:41 I just... I'm just ready, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 44:43 I'm ready for everything. So he's, he's a very good fighter.

Joe Rogan 44:46 You set a trap for him though.

Cedric Doumbé 44:48 A trap?

Joe Rogan 44:48 Yeah, the way you set that right hand up.

Cedric Doumbé 44:50 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 You know? Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 44:52 For me, I, I just follow my, you know, my, my plan, you know.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 44:57 I just wanted to fight. I, I didn't want him to read my, my move, my movements.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 45:03 Yeah. So he just... The, the KO came before that knees, before that knee because I touch him with a left hook and the right hook. He was wobbly on his, on his legs.

Joe Rogan 45:15 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 45:16 And then, uh, yeah, he just throw a knee and boom.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 45:19 That was the finish.

Joe Rogan 45:20 No, it was very impressive, man.

Cedric Doumbé 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Very impressive to knock that guy out, and that's has to be... So as you're looking at your career now and you're saying that there's no one else to beat, uh, after you knock out a guy like Nabiev-

Cedric Doumbé 45:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:32 ... it's, uh... Does that make it harder for you to get motivated?

Cedric Doumbé 45:35 No, because for me is, um, more I win fights, more I'm, I'm getting to the top of the world, like UFC champ. And after-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 45:42 Maybe a- after the UFC belt, I will, I will g- I will (laughs) have another. I don't know. Maybe a (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 45:48 What would the next goal be?

Cedric Doumbé 45:48 ... uh, uh, Olympic champs, uh, west-

Joe Rogan 45:51 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 45:51 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 45:51 Wrestling? That's hilarious.

Cedric Doumbé 45:53 So-

Joe Rogan 45:53 That would be crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 45:54 No, for me, I still get... 'Cause if I... Now I'm Glory champ, so if I lose my, my, my title defense now, I will go, I will go down. So I need to keep the same-

Joe Rogan 46:05 Same level.

Cedric Doumbé 46:05 Yeah, yeah, the same level. So that's what motivate, motivate me.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Yeah. So when you were telling me that you do, uh, strength and conditioning every day, like what kind of stuff are you doing? Today, like we talked today and you said that-

Cedric Doumbé 46:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 ... you were running on the beach.

Cedric Doumbé 46:17 Yeah. So, uh, today I wanted to train first, like, um, it's not a... it's not strength, but it's, uh, like, um... I don't know how t- how to call that in English, but, uh, it's like, uh, conditioning, uh, uh conditioning, uh, training we, we wanna do. And I think that's what we, we, we will do after is conditioning with, um, ASSA bike.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Mm-hmm, assault bike, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 46:41 Yeah, a- ASSA bike.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Oh, those are amazing.

Cedric Doumbé 46:43 Also, um, also running.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 46:45 I saw your, your, your different stuff. Also running and, uh, he's s- like, he's training me, um, the same way. I, I have to, I have to feel the same thing I feel inside the cage, inside the ring. So that's, that's, that's the conditioning, uh, training. So today was a relax run, relax running and, uh, yeah, tonight is gonna be harder, you know? We-

Joe Rogan 47:06 Where are you training tonight?

Cedric Doumbé 47:08 Tu- tonight I think I will train right after the show, uh, in your gym.

Joe Rogan 47:12 All right.

Cedric Doumbé 47:13 Yeah. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 47:14 I gotta take a picture of that.

Cedric Doumbé 47:15 Yeah, of course. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:16 Cedric Doumbé in my gym.

Cedric Doumbé 47:17 So I think I will train there because you have, yeah, uh, your gym is so, so full, is so complete, so exhaustive, so-

Joe Rogan 47:24 Cool.

Cedric Doumbé 47:25 ... I like it. So you will see h- how are we gonna train.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Okay, beautiful.

Cedric Doumbé 47:28 I cannot talk about, uh, you know... I'm like-

Joe Rogan 47:31 Secretive?

Cedric Doumbé 47:31 You're the... Yeah, you're the coach.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 47:33 Tell me what I do.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Oh, okay.

Cedric Doumbé 47:34 Push-ups, okay, I just do, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:36 Oh, you just do it.

Cedric Doumbé 47:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Good.

Cedric Doumbé 47:37 Sometime I ask question like, uh, "When I'm in the cage, in the ring, why do I need to do that?" And then he explain to me, and then I, "Okay, let's go." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:46 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 47:46 But, uh, no, I can't talk about, uh, exactly the, the, the, the training, what does that mean in-

Joe Rogan 47:52 So he has you do a lot of cardio exercises, but-

Cedric Doumbé 47:56 I just want him to... Yeah, that's what I say before we, we started training camp. I say, "Hey, I want my cardio better than ever and I want a- keep my power."

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 48:06 Even improve my power. He say-

Joe Rogan 48:07 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 48:07 ... "I got you," and then we go.

Joe Rogan 48:09 So is there a lot of weight lifting as well?

Cedric Doumbé 48:12 No.

Joe Rogan 48:13 No.

Cedric Doumbé 48:13 Not a lot. We need to maybe twice a week we do that, uh, very power, uh, training twice a week, legs and, uh, upper body.

Joe Rogan 48:22 And then what kind of weight lifting are you talking about, like Olympic style training?

Cedric Doumbé 48:25 Like, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:25 Are you using kettlebells?

Cedric Doumbé 48:26 ... how you, how you call that? Um, uh, squat.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Squats.

Cedric Doumbé 48:31 Um-

Joe Rogan 48:32 Deadlifts.

Cedric Doumbé 48:33 Deadlift, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Cleans, presses, stuff like that.

Cedric Doumbé 48:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Power moves.

Cedric Doumbé 48:37 Not presses, but, uh, we do it uni- unilateral, like one legs, one leg.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Mm-hmm, okay.

Cedric Doumbé 48:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Lunges.

Cedric Doumbé 48:43 ... that's what we do.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah. So, uh-

Cedric Doumbé 48:45 He like CrossFits also.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Mm-hmm, oh, CrossFit stuff.

Cedric Doumbé 48:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:48 Do you use kettlebells?

Cedric Doumbé 48:50 ... I, I hate kettlebells but-

Joe Rogan 48:52 You hate them? (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 48:52 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, because that hurt me. Yeah. I don't like the, the feeling.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 48:55 And I have big hands, so my, both of my hand inside the kettlebell is, yeah, I feel like...

Joe Rogan 49:01 Oh, for swings.

Cedric Doumbé 49:02 Yeah, yeah, for swing, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:02 For two-hand swings? Yeah. Well, as you said, if you learn how to do it correctly, it doesn't hurt as much.

Cedric Doumbé 49:06 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 49:07 Yeah. You just gotta learn how to swing it through.

Cedric Doumbé 49:09 When I put it here-

Joe Rogan 49:09 Just swing it through.

Cedric Doumbé 49:10 ... when it, it comes here-

Joe Rogan 49:11 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 49:12 ... that's hurt me a lot.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Yeah, it lands on your forearm a little bit.

Cedric Doumbé 49:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:15 But you gotta learn how to just rotate it through.

Cedric Doumbé 49:17 Maybe as-

Joe Rogan 49:18 As y- you do it, you rotate it through.

Cedric Doumbé 49:19 Oh, maybe I don't have the technique to hit it right.

Joe Rogan 49:21 Yeah, I bet it is.

Cedric Doumbé 49:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Did you ever get a good kettlebell instructor to show you?

Cedric Doumbé 49:25 Kettlebell instructor?

Joe Rogan 49:27 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 49:27 I even don't know that. I didn't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:28 You don't even know that they're a thing?

Cedric Doumbé 49:29 No.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Yeah. I could show you a little bit, but-

Cedric Doumbé 49:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:31 ... I'm not qualified to really show you. But a really good kettlebell instructor, it's a technique, as you're swinging, like, if you're, like, cleans-

Cedric Doumbé 49:38 Yeah. Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:38 As you come to clean, as you're doing it, you're just sort of punching through. A lot of people, they lift it up and it just falls-

Cedric Doumbé 49:44 And boom. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:46 ... and hits your arm. You don't want that. You wanna control the kettlebell.

Cedric Doumbé 49:48 All right, gotcha.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah, yeah. It's not-

Cedric Doumbé 49:50 I get it now.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah, I'll show you some stuff afterwards.

Cedric Doumbé 49:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:52 It's, it's ... I, I'm a kettlebell fan.

Cedric Doumbé 49:55 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 49:55 So, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 49:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:55 I love them. Yeah, but obviously, you see all, all the machines out there.

Cedric Doumbé 49:59 (laughs) I s- I saw the Caesar kettlebell, (laughs) Caesar, uh, the monkey.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 50:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:04 We have, uh, Bigfoot. I have an alien, I have gorillas, I have, uh, chimpanzees.

Cedric Doumbé 50:11 You have, uh, dog one of those?

Joe Rogan 50:11 Yeah. Did you see the Bigfoot one? That's the biggest one.

Cedric Doumbé 50:14 No.

Joe Rogan 50:14 That's fucking huge.

Cedric Doumbé 50:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 50:15 The Bigfoot's one's, like, yeah, that's ... I don't know how many kilograms that is.

Cedric Doumbé 50:18 I saw Star Wars.

Joe Rogan 50:19 It's like ... It's, like ... Yeah, we got Star Wars ones, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:22 We got, uh, yeah, Darth Vader.

Cedric Doumbé 50:23 Darth Vader.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Yeah. Those, those are all from Onnit.

Cedric Doumbé 50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:27 We have a bunch of cool-looking kettlebells. But just regular kettlebells are fine.

Cedric Doumbé 50:30 Yeah, I like it.

Joe Rogan 50:31 You know, I, I'm a fan. I, I just think they're ... The great thing about kettlebells is they make you use your whole body.

Cedric Doumbé 50:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:36 They make you use everything all at once.

Cedric Doumbé 50:38 Oh, not like, um, no regular weight?

Joe Rogan 50:42 Right, not like isolation exercises.

Cedric Doumbé 50:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Yes. Do you do battle ropes? Do you do that too? Ropes? Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 50:46 I do that. I do it, yeah. I like it. The most that I like is the, you know, the, the things where you run, but it's not electric.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 50:55 You just run and-

Joe Rogan 50:56 Yes, we have one of those too.

Cedric Doumbé 50:57 ... yeah, that.

Joe Rogan 50:57 That's a, that's from the same assault bike company.

Cedric Doumbé 50:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 The same.

Cedric Doumbé 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 It's k- what is it called, uh, ass- Air Runner? Assault Air Runner?

Cedric Doumbé 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah, that thing's the shit. Woo, it's so good.

Cedric Doumbé 51:05 That's so hard to, to, to run that.

Joe Rogan 51:06 That's 13% harder than regular running.

Cedric Doumbé 51:08 Oh, that's what I felt.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Yeah, yeah, 'cause you're, you're forcing-

Cedric Doumbé 51:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:12 ... your footsteps and making them do that.

Cedric Doumbé 51:12 That's what I said, uh, Valentino, because h- h- he wrote me a program, like, "400 meters, you do this, 400 meter, 800." I was like, "Eh, it's fucking difficult in this machine."

Joe Rogan 51:24 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 51:24 I was like, "Maybe you was tired." I said, "No, I was good." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:27 No, no, that machine's hard.

Cedric Doumbé 51:28 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:28 It's very, very good.

Cedric Doumbé 51:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:29 What about the VersaClimber, you ever use that one?

Cedric Doumbé 51:32 Uh, VersaClimber?

Joe Rogan 51:33 That's the one like ... (whirring)

Cedric Doumbé 51:34 Oh, yeah. I use it once.

Joe Rogan 51:35 Woo, that's hard.

Cedric Doumbé 51:37 It's fucking-

Joe Rogan 51:38 I got that out there too, if you wanna use it.

Cedric Doumbé 51:39 Yeah, I saw. Yeah, f- yeah, for arms and-

Joe Rogan 51:41 Yeah, no, that's amazing, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 51:42 For the cardio, it's good also.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 51:44 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah, it's amazing how many different machines there are-

Cedric Doumbé 51:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:48 ... that you could y- get your cardio on. So, the beautiful thing about it is, I like it 'cause it's variety.

Cedric Doumbé 51:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:53 You know, different things all the time.

Cedric Doumbé 51:54 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 51:54 Force your body to adapt to different things.

Cedric Doumbé 51:57 My best training, what I like to do, is, uh, to run, but on stage.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Upstairs?

Cedric Doumbé 52:03 On stage, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 52:03 That's, that's, that's the training I prefer.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah, I do too.

Cedric Doumbé 52:06 I do it once a week, yeah, once a week, every Thursday morning, that's the training I prefer, because I have big legs-

Joe Rogan 52:13 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 52:13 ... and, uh, yeah, I, uh ...

Joe Rogan 52:14 It's also not pounding too, right? 'Cause you're pushing off.

Cedric Doumbé 52:17 Yeah, you're pushing off. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 It's not just slamming it against.

Cedric Doumbé 52:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Like, when peop- I have friends that run on concrete, I'm like, "Oof."

Cedric Doumbé 52:24 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 52:24 That, for your back, for your knees, that can't be good, just constant pounding.

Cedric Doumbé 52:27 Yeah, no, it's good for me. I like it, I like.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Well, hills, hills, stairs.

Cedric Doumbé 52:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Yeah, I, I prefer.

Cedric Doumbé 52:33 Oh, yeah, yeah, hills too. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Now, do you ru- you say you ran on the beach today?

Cedric Doumbé 52:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Do you have any, is Bordeaux, Bordeaux doesn't have beaches, right?

Cedric Doumbé 52:41 Not, not in Bordeaux, no.

Joe Rogan 52:42 No.

Cedric Doumbé 52:42 But the beach is two hour far from...

Joe Rogan 52:45 Too far.

Cedric Doumbé 52:45 Two, yeah, too far, yeah-

Joe Rogan 52:46 Good time to run.

Cedric Doumbé 52:46 ... it's too far to go training there.

Joe Rogan 52:47 That's a great way to run too, though, if you run on sand.

Cedric Doumbé 52:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 52:50 On sand is very, is very good for the cardio and also for legs, you know? That works a lot of muscles, uh, very deep-

Joe Rogan 52:58 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 52:58 ... deep muscles.

Joe Rogan 52:59 Yes, yes, yes.

Cedric Doumbé 53:00 That's what I like.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Now, when you're training and you're doing strength and conditioning, are you using a heart rate monitor? Are you using-

Cedric Doumbé 53:07 Yeah. What's the brand of the, um, Polo?

Joe Rogan 53:11 Polar, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 53:11 Yeah, that's what I use, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Okay, yes. Yeah, sure.

Cedric Doumbé 53:13 That's what I use.

Joe Rogan 53:13 Very famous.

Cedric Doumbé 53:14 And, uh, it's especially for the trainer because I don't care, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:17 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 53:17 He just look and make his calcu- his, uh, yeah, his mathematics, so.

Joe Rogan 53:22 So, he keeps you at a certain heart rate and-

Cedric Doumbé 53:24 Yeah, he, he wanna keep me at the-

Joe Rogan 53:25 Do you monitor your heart rate in terms of, like, when you wake up to make sure that you're not overtrained?

Cedric Doumbé 53:31 No, I never do that.

Joe Rogan 53:32 No?

Cedric Doumbé 53:32 No, I just, I just go training. If I feel good, I go train. If I feels tired, I go train, you know? I just train.

Joe Rogan 53:38 It's so funny, man. So m- uh, so many elite fighters the same way. I had Terence Crawford here the other day.

Cedric Doumbé 53:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Same thing. He said, "Oh, I'm gonna train." He goes, "I'm ... I know what's up."

Cedric Doumbé 53:45 Yeah, you just go train. Yeah, you don't care.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 53:48 I like old school, old school things. I like also new school things, like, you know, Polo things, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:54 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 53:54 I like those kind of newer things. But for me, the, um, yeah, the combat sport is, is a mind thing also, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:03 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 54:04 Sh- don't get too much, um, how you say that? Too much-

Joe Rogan 54:08 Technical.

Cedric Doumbé 54:08 ... electronic, technical, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 54:09 You just, hey, you have to train twice a day, every morning, every evening. Let's go. You feel tired? Let's go training.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 54:15 You know, when I'm sick, like, when I got, I get a cold, I just go running, training, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:20 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 54:21 And instead of people who say, "No, I'm tired. I, I don't wanna train." I go training because I think the sport is the, the, the best medication in the world.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Really?

Cedric Doumbé 54:30 That's, that's what I think.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Even when you're sick?

Cedric Doumbé 54:31 Even when I'm sick, and that's, that's worked because I, I-

Joe Rogan 54:34 But when you say training, you're not kic- you're not sparring?

Cedric Doumbé 54:36 Not sparring.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Just running, doing something?

Cedric Doumbé 54:37 Yeah, just running.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Hit the bag?

Cedric Doumbé 54:39 Hit the bag, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 54:40 Not sparring, because sparring is ... Then I will, uh, contaminate my-

Joe Rogan 54:44 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 54:44 ... my guy.

Joe Rogan 54:45 Contaminate them, yes.

Cedric Doumbé 54:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:46 Yes, yes, that's funny. Yeah, so when you say mental, um, do you use a mental coach? Do you have-

Cedric Doumbé 54:53 No.

Joe Rogan 54:54 No?

Cedric Doumbé 54:55 No, because I think some people need-... a mental coach and some doesn't need. For me, like, my story is, uh, I, I think I have my... Of course, I need a mental coach, but I think I am my own mental coach. Uh, my story for me is, is a big motivation for me. So-

Joe Rogan 55:14 Tell everybody your story.

Cedric Doumbé 55:16 It's like... It's fucking long, but I can tell a short story, like... Like, when I think ab- about everything I, I, I went through in, uh, in my life, I'm talking like I'm f- I'm, I'm, I'm 55, but-

Joe Rogan 55:29 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 55:30 ... (laughs) I'm 26.

Joe Rogan 55:31 But you've had a lot-

Cedric Doumbé 55:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 ... of things happen to you in the past six years.

Cedric Doumbé 55:33 Yeah, of course. I, I was born in, in Cameroon, uh, and then, uh, my mom moved to Paris when I was eight. And then one hour l- uh, later, I, uh, we went, my sister and I, we went to, to Paris to follow my mom. And, uh, yeah, we was living in a, in a small apartment, you know, a very small apartment. One room, you know, no water, we were, we, we was, uh, we, we went to the, how you say that? The, to restaurant to, to ask water with a big bottle of water, empty. We went to restaurant to ask water, you know. It was... Yeah, my mom went through of so many things, and when I think about everything we went through in the, when I'm in, inside the locker room, uh, I'm stressed, you know, uh, I'm nervous, I just think about it and I say, "Hey, listen. Look where you are now. You train for that. You train for this. You train for, for everybody is waiting for you. Everybody is screaming, so don't get nervous. This is nothing, you know. So just go and, and, uh, yeah, do what you, you like to do. Fight."

Joe Rogan 56:45 Overcoming hardship, a lot of times, is the best teacher.

Cedric Doumbé 56:48 Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 56:50 So you know where you came from, so you know the hardships.

Cedric Doumbé 56:52 That's right. And I know where I wanna go, when I wanna-

Joe Rogan 56:55 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 56:55 ... where I wanna land. So-

Joe Rogan 56:57 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 56:57 ... for me is, um, before I fight Nicky Holzken, I used to get nervous in the locker room. And I say, "Hey, you wanna fight Nicky Holzken and-

Joe Rogan 57:06 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:06 ... are you nervous for this guy?"

Joe Rogan 57:08 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 57:08 Come on.

Joe Rogan 57:09 I know. And it's funny, it's like y- you get what you ask for.

Cedric Doumbé 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 But while you're coming up, you're like, "Oh, I wanna fuck that guy up."

Cedric Doumbé 57:16 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:16 And then all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, shit."

Cedric Doumbé 57:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:18 "He's right here." (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:19 (clapping)

Cedric Doumbé 57:20 He's now, it's time. I was like, "Damn."

Joe Rogan 57:21 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:22 It's the same with me. I, I talk a lot of shit on the internet.

Joe Rogan 57:26 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 57:26 (laughs) Before the fight.

Joe Rogan 57:29 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:29 (laughs) And when I'm in the locker room, I'm like, "Damn, it's time." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:32 Why did I talk all that shit? (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:33 Yeah, why did I say that?

Joe Rogan 57:35 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 57:37 (laughs) I remember the, the fight against Nicky, I, I make a poster on internet with his head, like, I rip-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Oh, you cut his head off?

Cedric Doumbé 57:44 Yeah, I cut his head off and I was like, "That's gonna, that's what's gonna happen on the, during the fight." And he was like, "No, I don't care about internet. I, I don't care about Instagram. I don't care about talk. I will talk in the ring." I was like, "Bro, damn." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:00 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 58:01 And during the fight, he was in front of me and the referee was like, "Shake, shake hands if you want, if you, if you like." He was like, "Pff."

Joe Rogan 58:09 Damn.

Cedric Doumbé 58:09 He went back to his corner like, "Let's go, I wanna fuck him up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:13 Mm.

Cedric Doumbé 58:13 And, uh, yeah, I was like, "Oh, you talk, you talk shit, but now you have to back it up." So-

Joe Rogan 58:18 I remember that fight.

Cedric Doumbé 58:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:20 It was very interesting 'cause, uh, I'm a big Nicky Holzken fan as well.

Cedric Doumbé 58:23 Yeah, Glory Collision.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 58:24 The first one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Yes. I remember that fight, I was watching, I was like, "Wow. Like, this guy h- he's got his number." Like, you, you, by the f- by the time the fourth round-

Cedric Doumbé 58:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:35 ... came around, I was like, "You are, you're ahead on points." And it looked like you had his style figured out.

Cedric Doumbé 58:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was... This is, I think for me, this is one of my best fight in the, my best fight ever. I was so smart in this, in that fight. So yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 You were small in that fight? In what way?

Cedric Doumbé 58:56 What did you say?

Joe Rogan 58:57 You said you were so small in that fight?

Cedric Doumbé 58:59 No, I said I was smart.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Oh, smart.

Cedric Doumbé 59:01 Yeah, smart.

Joe Rogan 59:01 Smart, smart, yes.

Cedric Doumbé 59:02 Yeah, I was re- because I didn't want to knock him out.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 59:04 I said I w- I would knock him out, but that was fake.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 59:08 Yeah, that was only a strategy. So I know I w- I, um, I would not, I would not knock him out because he's so strong, he's so smart, and he's a counter, the counter fighter, so I'm, yeah, I was very, very smart, make my points. And then, yeah, after three fight against, um, three fight after Nicky, yeah, people was calling me a runner because I was making a lot of points. And, and then now, they're, they're calling me the number one pound-for-pound in Glory.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Isn't that crazy?

Cedric Doumbé 59:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:37 You fought Nicky twice?

Cedric Doumbé 59:39 Twice.

Joe Rogan 59:39 When did you fight him again? When was the second time?

Cedric Doumbé 59:41 I fought Nicky and then I fought Kongolo and then I fought Nicky again.

Joe Rogan 59:46 And you beat him again?

Cedric Doumbé 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 59:47 On point. And after the fight, I remember he say, "You run too much." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:52 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 59:53 I say, "Respect my style." "I respect your style, I respect my style."

Joe Rogan 59:56 Do you think you would fight him differently now?

Cedric Doumbé 59:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Why would you?

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Yeah?

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:02 Yeah, I think if I fight Nicky, like, tomorrow, I will fi- fight different. I will go for the knockout this time, because I- I'm not the same fighter as before.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Mm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:11 So I think I will, I will success, I will knock him out.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Now he's over in ONE FC now, huh?

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:17 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Which is interesting 'cause they fight in a cage.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:20 Yeah, but...

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Little gloves too.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:22 Yeah. No.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Oh, he's using big gloves.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:24 Muay Thai, Muay Thai is sometime you fight little glove.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 They mix it up a lot over there.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:27 Yeah, they, they, there are a lot of, uh, a lot of, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Different rules.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:30 ... different, uh, rules, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 When he knocked out Cosmo Alexandre though, I was like, "Ooh."

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:34 Yeah, that was a crazy knockout.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Yeah, that was a crazy knockout.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:37 Yeah. But for me-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 That shows you how good he is. And then you see Cosmo Alexandre fuck up, uh, Sage Northcutt and you realize how good Cosmo is.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 And then you see how bad Nicky beat up Cosmo.

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 You're like, "Damn, Nicky's good."

Cedric Doumbé 1:00:48 Yeah, he's very good. I like... You know, be- before, before I fight Nicky, it was one of my, my, yeah, my best fighter and I, I, I ever like, because when I was watching him against-... Karim Ghaji, the French fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:03 When I watch him against Joseph Valtelline-

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Valtelline, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:06 ... I was like, "Damn, this dude is-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 He's a beast.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:08 ... fucking, fucking strong." Like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Or Raymond Daniels, when he beat Raymond Daniels.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:12 Yeah, he beat Raymond Daniels. I was like-- 'cause f- for me, Joseph Valtelline is not a, is not an easy fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 No.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:17 He's not an easy opponent. He's very strong, so-

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 He stopped him in the last round too.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:21 Yeah, with a, with a right hook-

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:24 ... or maybe a left hook.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Well, Valtelline, who's a really good fighter, he got a little carried away, was trying to trade with him-

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... at the end of the fight, and then-

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 ... Nicky caught him.

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:33 I was, I was like, "I really, really like this fighter." And then when I, uh, when I, I received that email that (laughs) I will face Nicky Holzken, I was like, "Damn."

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:43 Nicky Holzken.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 And you were only 24, right?

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:46 Yeah, only 24.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 So you're thinking at the time, like, "Holy shit, I- it's here."

Cedric Doumbé 1:01:49 Yeah, and I, I didn't, I didn't even have a strength and conditioning coach, no. Only kickboxer, only Samir, kickboxing, and I was doing my, my shit a- alone, running in the morning, and just train by myself.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 What kinda kickbo- what kinda strength and conditioning were you doing other than running?

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:06 Uh, push-ups, running, some CrossFit, but-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Nothing like you're doing now though.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:12 No, no, no. I was doing things I was watching on YouTube, you know, so-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:17 ... it was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Isn't that crazy?

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 World champion watching stuff on YouTube-

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 ... and learning. It's cra-

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 ... whatever your model.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:22 A little bit like Jon Jones, uh, before when he start.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Oh, yeah?

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:26 I heard about him. He was saying that he start, uh, MMA watching fights on, uh, on YouTube.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Sure.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:33 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 He would try moves out-

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 ... in fights.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:36 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:38 That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Well, some people are just talented.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:40 Yeah, that, that's life.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 You know? Some people find a way. Now, when you think about th- those fights, like in how important those fights were to you, especially the Nicky Holzken fight. When you look back, it's gotta be, uh, a kind of a crazy feeling that, that, that sort of, that made your career, that Nicky Holzken fight, particularly the first one.

Cedric Doumbé 1:02:59 Yeah, right. Because, you know, (laughs) my fight was little bit hilarious because the story of that fight, uh, I was the co-main event and I think that fight was, was made for Nicky Holzken, you know, because I had only three fights in Glory.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 Right.

Cedric Doumbé 1:03:17 And they put me in title shot. As I was a little bit en- entertaining, and, uh, I made poster and things like that-

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:03:24 ... they say, "Okay, he's gonna be a good, good show." But that gonna be a fight for Nicky, you know, for sure. I, I think they say to themself, "Nicky gonna win the fight. Nicky is, is undefeated, you know, nobody could beat him. He gonna win the fight." And, uh, yeah, it's the fight just before Badr Hari and Rico fight, so-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:03:45 ... a lot of eyes was, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:03:47 ... on us, so I just created the surprise. And, uh, yeah, I just surprised everybody and, uh, that's why I have a lot of fans in Morocco because they, uh, they was waiting for Badr Hari fight and they sh- they saw me, so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:02 ... it was like I, I receive a lot of message from Morocco, like, "Oh, my brother." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:06 "I really like your style. You, you funny." And, uh, yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Moroccans love fights.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Those are wild people.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:12 Yeah. I like the American, uh, American fans and American people because I, I, yeah, I went to Brussels during two years.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:19 In Brussels, a lot of American people. In Holland, also, a lot of American people.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Do you think you'll be fighting on the next Rico Badr Hari fight?

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:27 It seems like.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 You think so?

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:29 Yeah, it seems like.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 When is that?

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:31 Because before that there is, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Is that December?

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:33 December.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:34 Before December, there is, uh, two event in, uh, in, uh, in October, and, uh, they are, they are almost booked, so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Oh.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:44 ... I think, yeah, for me, it's gonna be December. It's gonna be a good thing 'cause I like Badr Hari.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:50 And, uh, yeah, to fight in the same card, it's my third time I will fight in the same card as him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 As Badr Hari.

Cedric Doumbé 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 I'm very interested to see how he fights Rico in the second fight.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:00 Me too.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Very, very interesting.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:02 Because Rico is good though, so-

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 Very good.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:04 So he's not an easy fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Rico has crazy cardio for a heavyweight.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:07 Yeah. Crazy cardio. He's- and he moves like a, like a welterweight, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:12 So when he fight, he fight like a welterweight. It's not like a regular heavyweight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Well, he-

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:16 And he beat everybody in that division.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Everybody. He beats everybody.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 He told me that when he was training, when he was coming up, he was training with, uh, y- light guys.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 So he's like, "You have to move."

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 He's like, so he, he developed that cardio and that ability from training with guys, like, 180 pounds, you know.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:32 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that's why for me, and that fight, he, he, m- (clicks tongue) the way he fought against, uh, Jamal Ben Saddik-

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:41 Like, he, he was almost, almost done at the-

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:44 ... the first or the second, I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:45 He was almost done, and then the way how he knock him out back, in the last or the fourth fight-

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 Mm-hmm.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:51 ... the fourth round, it was crazy. I was like, "Man, this dude is, is a good champ. This, he's a real champ." But-

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 He's so smart.

Cedric Doumbé 1:05:57 He's very smart. But, you know, I like, I really, I think people like Badr Hari because, because of everything, his story, because of the man, the bad boy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:07 And, uh, he's very-

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 He's wild.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:08 Yeah, he's very strong and, uh, he's, he's very cool to watch and, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:13 Uh, and when, when Badr come, when, um, (clicks tongue) when the, the speaker call Badr Hari and he comes in, damn, the, the mood is just, you know, everybody's... You can see the flash of ev- of many phones in the audience. No, it's great.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:30 It's very crazy feeling when, when Badr Hari fight.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 He's the most famous kickboxer.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:34 He's the most famous kickboxer.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 And he's-

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:36 He's a legend.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 ... he's a legend, and he's not just a legend because of his fighting, which is mean he's been an incredible fighter, but also just 'cause he's so crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 He does so much wild shit.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 He's always getting in trouble, you know.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:46 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's... People love Badr Hari because of the fighter-

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:51 ... but also because of-... the, the bad boy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:54 The bad guy, so-

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 It's funny, fighters that get in trouble, I mean, Conor McGregor's been in a bunch of trouble lately.

Cedric Doumbé 1:06:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 And, you know, some people are upset at him and some people are not. And it's just ... It's not good. You know, everything is not good.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:05 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 But he's a wild man.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 And wild men do wild shit.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Not good to smack that guy at the bar though.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:11 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 Uh, I watched that again. I thought it was, like, a touch. Last time I talked about it, I thought he just, sort of, touched him in the head with his hand.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:17 No, I saw the video, it was a slap.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 But it looked like he actually, kind of, looks like, almost like a punch.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:21 Yeah, almost like a punch. It was a real slap.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 Yeah, and he, and he hit him. I wa- I s- mispoke.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 I thought he just ... I basically thought he just touched him in the face.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:28 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 'Cause I watched it on my phone and it just ... It wasn't that clear.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:32 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Then I watched it on the computer, I was like, "Oh."

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:34 I was like, "Damn, why does, what does he do, he do that?"

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 Mag- ... I don't know, maybe the guy said something really bad to him. But either way.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:40 Even is, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:41 ... is an old guy, you know. You just ... And you're, you're a big star, so-

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 And there was another article. Huge star.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:45 You can't do that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 A guy at a bar doesn't want your whiskey with you? What the fuck?

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 But he's ... All that w- the wild shit like grabbing that guy's phone and stomping on it, like-

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:53 I saw that also.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 He's just a little too crazy. Just a little too crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 1:07:57 Sometimes I don't understand. Maybe he was drunk, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Probably.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:01 Because-

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Maybe something else.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:02 Yeah. Oh, f-

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Woo!

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:04 I, I can say nothing about this.

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:06 But, um, yeah, maybe he was drunk. That's what I thought at first. I was like, "He was drunk, so may- ..." But-

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Maybe.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:12 ... even your team may control you, you know? Your, your guy-

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Somebody should.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:16 ... may gut you, your back so-

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 Yeah. I mean, if you offer a man at a bar a drink and he doesn't want it and you punch him in the head-

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 ... it's just like, you're, you're definitely fucking up.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:25 No, uh ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 He's definitely making some mistakes. But I love watching him fight. He's a wild dude. It's amazing how many fans he has too. I've never seen anything like it. Or, one f-

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:34 Conor?

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Early on.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:35 He's a huge-

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Early on in his career, before he was a champion, I remember-

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:38 Even after the fight.

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:40 Of course, when you, when you slap guys, your name keep-

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Keep building up. Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:44 (laughs) Keep going up.

Joe Rogan 1:08:45 But the problem with him is gonna be guys like Khabib, and he wants a rematch with Khabib.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:49 Do you think he, he, he ... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 (sighs) I don't think so. I don't think Khabib's gonna fight him. Khabib fucked him up.

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Why would he fight him again?

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:55 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 I think-

Cedric Doumbé 1:08:56 A money fight.

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 Yeah. I think the money fight for him is Nate.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 Nate, Nate is a fighter, yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:01 Nate, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 That's a big fight. But Nate, they're talking about Nate fighting Masvidal.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 You know, if he fights, uh, Jorge Masvidal, I think, uh, that fight is, uh, that's a huge fight as well. And, you know, Conor may or may not ever fight again. Like, who knows?

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 He says he's going to, but if he does-

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:17 I think, yeah, maybe, maybe Poirier just-

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Yeah, maybe.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:20 ... just ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 But Poirier's gotta fight Khabib.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 You know? I mean, that's next month. That's, that's the big fight.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Right? And Khabib is the big f- ... I mean, Khabib's the only one undefeated in the division and-

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:30 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 ... his wrestling is fucking terrifying.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 He gets people on the ground, just beats the shit out of them.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:35 I saw it even ... I saw it even more at AKA, it was just crazy. Khabib is ... He, yeah, he's, he's started, he's starting, uh, Kombat Sport when he was, when he was kid, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 Yeah, as a baby.

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:47 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 You ever see how they play basketball?

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:49 (laughs) Yeah, I saw that video.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Isn't that the craziest shit?

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 Will Harris, my friend, uh, Will Harris Productions, he's been in here before as well, he filmed these guys playing basketball over there. And you watch them-

Cedric Doumbé 1:09:59 I, I, I was watching that podcast.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:00 And then after that video, I just went to the, to YouTube to watch the, the video you was talking about and, uh, yeah, the basketball.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 Crazy.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:09 It's crazy. (laughs) The wrestling, basketball.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 That's it, they're playing wrestle basketball.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 It's like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 And then he gets a guy in a rear naked choke, getting an armbar on the ground.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:17 Yeah, and, and the guy tapped and he doesn't give-

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. He keeps going.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:21 He, you can't even tap. Like, the whole thing is so-

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:24 Like, they're, they're hard people over there, man.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 They are hard people.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:27 Yeah. I, I, I watched the podcast. He was talking about he went there to film Khabib and-

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:32 ... he went ... Yeah. (laughs) Just-

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 Well, Will, Will's very talented, Will Harris. He does a great job of capturing these guys' stories.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 And, and put ... And he's a nice guy, so people like him, so they're all, they're loose and relaxed around him.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 And he's very talented as a filmmaker. So when he puts these, these pieces together, they're very impactful.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:50 Mm-hmm. And that film is on YouTube?

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 Yes. Yes.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 All his stuff is on YouTube.

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:54 I have to watch it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:54 What is this? Conor McGregor to face Floyd Mayweather in Japan. What?

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:58 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 Is this today?

Cedric Doumbé 1:10:59 This ... So this is ... I just looked up his name, that's why I brought it up. There's a game show they supposedly have signed to be on, where they're gonna compete against each other. And this says he signed f- ... Or he's going to sign for a reported $10 million to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:11:11 To do a game show?

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:12 Non-contact, so he won't break-

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 A game show?

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:14 ... he won't, like, break contract or anything.

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 What? (laughs)

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:16 So he's gonna get that much money for that, like-

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 $10 million for a game show. Well, they paid Floyd $9 million to fight that, uh-

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:24 The, the Japanese guy.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 ... tiny Japanese guy.

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:25 He's supposed to be part of that too.

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 Yeah?

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:27 Tension. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:28 Yeah, yeah. Nazukawa, who's a bad motherfucker, but he's tiny.

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:33 He's so small.

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:34 Yeah, yeah, he's small.

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 And a lot of people thought that that fight was fixed with him and Floyd. I was like, "No." Like, even good fu- ... Good b- b- like, fight commentators thought that was fake. I was like, "Watch it again."

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:43 That's what I thought.

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 Watch it again.

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:45 No. First round kill is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 The dude weighed 120 pounds. He fights at 126 pounds. Floyd beat the fuck out of him. He's so much bigger. Floyd was so loose. He just walked in and just-

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 ... just clubbed him in the head. That kid-

Cedric Doumbé 1:11:58 It's, it's crazy. When you fight Floyd Mayweather, you must train like, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Yeah.

Cedric Doumbé 1:12:02 ... like you ever did and-

Joe Rogan 1:12:03 But they didn't even give him enough chance. Like the ... He didn't even have a couple of months.

Cedric Doumbé 1:12:07 And Floyd was a fat ... Yeah, he's fatty, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:08 He's fat. Well, he didn't have to get in shape for that guy.

Cedric Doumbé 1:12:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 Look, Floyd is way bigger than him. Way bigger. I mean, Floyd's not a big man.

Cedric Doumbé 1:12:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:15 But he's way bigger than Tension. Tension's tiny. He's a tiny little ... As ... But against those other 120-pound guys, he fucks those guys up.