JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

1. 0:02 – 1:21

   First UFC event experience & why French MMA felt “boring”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Boom. All right, we're live. (microphone thuds) What's going on, man? What do you got there? Text messaging people?

   2. CDCedric Doumbé0:07

      No. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      (laughs) Shutting your phone off?

   4. CDCedric Doumbé0:10

      Yeah, I just put it on-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Silent?

   6. CDCedric Doumbé0:13

      ... silent mode.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How long have you been in America now for? You're, you're only here for like two weeks, right?

   8. CDCedric Doumbé0:18

      (smacks lips) Uh, yeah. I came for two week and, yeah, and th- three days. And, uh, as you invited me at the, at the UFC, and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Did you enjoy it?

   10. CDCedric Doumbé0:28

       Yeah, it was great. That's my first time at the UFC.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       That's the first time, really?

   12. CDCedric Doumbé0:31

       Yeah. Even at an MMA event.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       You've never been to an MMA event?

   14. CDCedric Doumbé0:35

       No, no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Really?

   16. CDCedric Doumbé0:35

       No. In France, it's so boring, you know. You know that, uh, now it's forbidden in France.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yes.

   18. CDCedric Doumbé0:40

       And you can't hit a guy when he's in, on the floor.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Oh.

   20. CDCedric Doumbé0:45

       So that's why it used to be boring in France, because they fight, like striking, and then when a guy take you down, and then it's just BJJ and, uh, grabbing-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Adjust the missions?

   22. CDCedric Doumbé0:55

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yes. Oh, that's interesting.

   24. CDCedric Doumbé0:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       So their MMA rules, when they would go to the ground, no striking at all?

   26. CDCedric Doumbé1:00

       No striking. So that's why it's boring.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Even to the body?

   28. CDCedric Doumbé1:02

       Even in the b- Oh, I think, yeah, in the body, they can.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Oh, okay.

   30. CDCedric Doumbé1:06

       They can.
2. 1:21 – 2:36

   From Glory dominance to a clear UFC goal

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Now, as a kickboxing champion, and when you watch MMA, do you... I know that you've been training, and I know that you, you spent some time while you're out here at AKA.

   2. CDCedric Doumbé1:31

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:31

      Are you thinking of eventually making your way to the UFC?

   4. CDCedric Doumbé1:35

      No, I'm not thinking. That's what, that's what I will do.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      You will do, yeah.

   6. CDCedric Doumbé1:40

      Yeah, that's what I will do. That's what I, I wanna do. You know, (smacks lips) uh, yeah, as you said, I'm the, the Glory champ now. I have five belt. My, my first dream before Glory was to, to become the, yeah, the greatest kickboxing in the world, kickboxer in the world. I wanted to beat, uh, everybody in my division. (sighs) That's what I did. Before, uh, Nieky Holzken was the, the champ-champ.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      Yeah.

   8. CDCedric Doumbé2:06

      Undefeated since six years. Uh, yeah, he wa- he was the greatest in Glory, and I was like, "Damn, how, how do I gonna beat him? You know, he's so, he's so strong." And I beat him. I beat him, yeah, twice. (smacks lips) I beat everybody. So after that, before people was asking me, "Do you think, uh, to go to MMA? Because I, I think you should do something great in MMA." I was like, "No, I don't like MMA." I don't wa- I, I, I don't like, like wrestling, BJJ. I don't like this kind of sport. I'm a striker, you know? I was like, "No, I don't like it."

3. 2:36 – 4:11

   Falling in love with jiu-jitsu—and the ambition to do what McGregor couldn’t

   1. CDCedric Doumbé2:36

      And yet, two years ago, I was like, "Damn, (laughs) I think I like it, you know?" Because I, I train once, (smacks lips) and, uh, I really, I really like it, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      What did you like? Do you like MMA training or did you like-

   3. CDCedric Doumbé2:47

      MMA training.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      ... jiu-jitsu?

   5. CDCedric Doumbé2:48

      Yeah, MMA training and jiu-jitsu. I was... And I was watching jiu-jitsu all the time on TV. And more I watched jiu-jitsu, I was like, "Oh, it's, it's so complicated. It's so-"

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:57

      Yes.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé2:57

      It's not only two guys who are rolling and making-

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      (laughs)

   9. CDCedric Doumbé3:01

      ... str- strange stuff on the, on the ground.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       (laughs)

   11. CDCedric Doumbé3:03

       It's, it's more than, than, than that. So I was like, "Oh, it's complicated. It's very... It's not easy," so-

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Right.

   13. CDCedric Doumbé3:10

       ... I, I, I, yeah, I, I wanted to learn that. I wanted, I wanted someone to teach me that. And, uh, yeah, I was thinking about MMA, and now I really wanna do it. I wanna do... You know, what Conor McGregor, uh, couldn't do, you know, he, he was the best in MMA, in one combat sport, and he wanted to beat, uh, Conor Mc- um...

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Floyd Mayweather.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé3:31

       ... Floyd Mayweather-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Yeah.

   17. CDCedric Doumbé3:31

       ... in another combat sport. He wanted to be the greatest in two combat sport, different combat sport. He couldn't do it. He failed. And that's what I wanna do. And I think I really, really will do it. I'm the best in kickboxing, and I wanna be the best in MMA, and I think, uh, I will.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       (smacks lips) If kickboxing was as popular as MMA, do you think you'd still have the same desire to do it?

   19. CDCedric Doumbé3:54

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Yes?

   21. CDCedric Doumbé3:55

       Yes. Because-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Because you just wanna be the best?

   23. CDCedric Doumbé3:57

       Yeah. Because I'm young, you know. I'm 26. Uh, I, my dreams cames true, you know? I'm the best in kickboxing. My nickname is The Best.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       Yes.

   25. CDCedric Doumbé4:07

       And I'm (laughs) really the best, so...

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Well, y- I'm a big fan of yours, and, uh-

4. 4:11 – 6:05

   Style evolution: from ‘runner’ to finisher

   1. CDCedric Doumbé4:11

      Thank you.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      ... I was really excited to get you in here. And one of the things I was really interested in, uh, is that you t- sorta changed your style.

   3. CDCedric Doumbé4:18

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      And you were more movement oriented, and you would win on points, but then you started fucking people up. You started-

   5. CDCedric Doumbé4:23

      I did.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      ... n- and like people, like, Nieky Holzken had said that about you.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé4:27

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      That you're a mover.

   9. CDCedric Doumbé4:28

      A runner.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Yeah, that you're a runner. I, I was trying to say it in a nice-

   11. CDCedric Doumbé4:31

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       ... but then he said it.

   13. CDCedric Doumbé4:32

       That's what he said.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       But, man, you changed that around.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé4:35

       Yeah, yeah. You know why?

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       You, you, you're knocking people out.

   17. CDCedric Doumbé4:38

       Because be- uh, yeah. My first, my first big, big fight in the, in Glory was, uh, against Nieky Holzken, and that was only my third fight in Glory. Uh, as I beat the, the rank number two, who was Myrto Grunad, uh, as I beat him, they, they put me, um, a title shot right after. And I was like, Nieky Holzken is, is really, really complicated too.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       And you were like 24, right?

   19. CDCedric Doumbé5:05

       Yeah, I was 24. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       That's very young.

   21. CDCedric Doumbé5:07

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       To fight Niiky Holzken.

   23. CDCedric Doumbé5:09

       Yeah. I was, I was, yeah, I was, I was impressed by him because-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       He's very good.

   25. CDCedric Doumbé5:13

       ... he's very good. And I still, I still impressed by him, because for me, he's a very, very great champ. He was. And, um, I was like, "I will not knock him out." I used to... Before Glory, I used to fight every month. Sometime I went to fight, I used to fight three time a month. And, um, I used to knock-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Three times a month?

   27. CDCedric Doumbé5:31

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       Really?

   29. CDCedric Doumbé5:33

       Yeah. Because of tournaments. Uh, I used to-

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       Oh.
5. 6:05 – 11:22

   Weight cuts, diet discipline, and the ‘Golden Coach’ turnaround

   1. CDCedric Doumbé6:05

      style, the same style.And once, I failed, you know. Uh, I lost a fight because, uh, because of that, my, my diet wasn't very good, you know. Uh, I make a f- a good first round and then I was tired as fuck, so I couldn't do the, the, the job what I, I wanted to do. And then I took a diet. Now my diet, my diet's perfect and, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:29

      What did you change? Like, what were you eating before?

   3. CDCedric Doumbé6:32

      Before I was like, okay, I s- uh, f- to prepare a fight, I, uh, I start two months before the fight, the D-day. And then, uh, before I was like, "Okay, still two months. Okay, I start tomorrow. I, I start next week, the diet. I start tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow." And then we are two weeks before the fight, I'm like, "Damn, six kilos to lose. Okay, I start today." And then I come in to fight week and I never started the diet, and I started the diet in the hotel, like three days before the fight. Uh, I had five kilo to lose, six kilo to lose-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:06

      Oh, wow.

   5. CDCedric Doumbé7:06

      ... in three days and I was like, "Okay, I don't eat anything no more. Now I just train, train." Sauna, training.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:13

      With no food?

   7. CDCedric Doumbé7:14

      With no food. No food.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:15

      Oh, that's silly.

   9. CDCedric Doumbé7:15

      Even no water. And that's why it's, that's wh- that wasn't smart, you know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       It's so hard for people to believe that world champions do things like that.

   11. CDCedric Doumbé7:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       But that is the case sometimes and sometimes you need a bad fight to sort of (snaps fingers) snap you out of it and realize, "Hey, I have to be disciplined for many, many months out in advance."

   13. CDCedric Doumbé7:33

       That's right. You know what the first thing Glory say to my manager before when I won the first title? They say, "Hey, Cedric is very lucky because we don't, we don't even know how, how does he come, he arrive at, at this level with no, no diet, no, you know, n- no team."

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Strength conditioning.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé7:52

       "No trainer, no nothing."

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       Right.

   17. CDCedric Doumbé7:54

       They was, they was very surprised and, yeah, I, I think, I think a lot about this and that's why now I'm very professional. And after the, th- that diet, uh, I start to knock everybody out.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       So, what did you change in your diet? Like, what do you eat now?

   19. CDCedric Doumbé8:09

       Now, um, it's like, you know, my diet in France is, she's very famous, you know? Her name is Cecile Golden Coach. She's, uh, the diet-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Her name is Golden Coach?

   21. CDCedric Doumbé8:18

       Yeah, Golden Coach. Her nickname.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       That's a real name?

   23. CDCedric Doumbé8:20

       No (laughs) .

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:20

       Oh, no, no. I was like, "Wow."

   25. CDCedric Doumbé8:23

       And, yeah, and sh- she take care of many champions i- in France and, uh, yeah, she, uh ... I cannot tell you exactly what, what is in, inside my diet because, uh, it's so complicated. But I, I told her, "Hey, I don't want, I don't want you to tell me how many grams and this and this and this. Just tell me, write what I need to eat Monday, Tuesday, uh, morning, evening." And that's what, that's what she did, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       So, you just follow her instructions kind of?

   27. CDCedric Doumbé8:51

       Yeah, I just follow instruction. I don't-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Do you have a meal prep company, someone who makes the meals for you?

   29. CDCedric Doumbé8:56

       No, no, no, no.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       You do it all yourself?
6. 11:22 – 13:19

   Why kickboxing thrives in Europe but lags in the U.S.

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:22

      Now, kickboxing is huge in Europe. I mean-

   2. CDCedric Doumbé11:25

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:25

      ... it's, it's very big. People-

   4. CDCedric Doumbé11:26

      Very big.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:27

      People, I mean, I had, um, Rico Verhoeven on-

   6. CDCedric Doumbé11:30

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:30

      ... and we discussed this, like how enormous kickboxing is in Holland and in Europe.

   8. CDCedric Doumbé11:35

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:35

      And in America, for whatever reason, it never caught on. I do- I don't understand it. I've been a, a fan of Glory and I've been trying to tell people about them for a long time.

   10. CDCedric Doumbé11:45

       Uh, I, I, I cannot blame (laughs) USA for that because they, they legalized MMA so MMA is just more, more attractive for people, you know? The-

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       Mm-hmm.

   12. CDCedric Doumbé11:57

       ... people who doesn't know shit about, about fighting, they just watch MMA. It's like, "Oh, two people are fighting. Yeah, that is-"

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       Right.

   14. CDCedric Doumbé12:04

       "... interesting," you know? Kickboxing and, like, things like, sport like Muay Thai, kickboxing, if you doesn't know the rules, it's kinda, yeah-... you just fight and you do not-- you doesn't, doesn't understand. You don't understand. But MMA is more easy (laughs) to understand, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Yeah, it's just a fight.

   16. CDCedric Doumbé12:21

       Yeah, it's just a fight.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       A wild fight between-

   18. CDCedric Doumbé12:22

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       Yeah, two people. So I don't-- I really don't know why kickboxing is not, uh, is, is not, uh, maybe at the same level as MMA in USA. Well, what's cr- uh, crazy to me is boxing is very respected in the United States, and MMA is very respected. But one of the things that people like about MMA is stand-up. They like the striking.

   20. CDCedric Doumbé12:43

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:44

       But the best striking is like glory-

   22. CDCedric Doumbé12:47

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:47

       ... or Muay Thai, like the, the best elite kickboxers are the best strikers.

   24. CDCedric Doumbé12:52

       That's right. But I think people love the cage.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       Mm-hmm.

   26. CDCedric Doumbé12:55

       People love the blood, so small gloves.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       Mm.

   28. CDCedric Doumbé12:59

       You know, that's what, that's what people like. People don't like you to... Don't like, uh, how you say that? (smacks lips) Uh, knockdown.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       Mm-hmm.

   30. CDCedric Doumbé13:07

       They like KO or nothing.
7. 13:19 – 15:37

   France legalizing full MMA & the ‘stepping stone’ dilemma

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      Well, is there a movement at all to try to get MMA, full MMA, legalized in France?

   2. CDCedric Doumbé13:24

      (smacks lips) Uh, I think in, in January it's gonna be, it's gonna be okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:29

      So they're gonna have to allow strikes on the ground, though, in France?

   4. CDCedric Doumbé13:31

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything, everything.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:33

      Soon?

   6. CDCedric Doumbé13:33

      So in January.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:35

      Yeah. Oh, in January?

   8. CDCedric Doumbé13:36

      So, yeah, in January.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:36

      Oh, in January.

   10. CDCedric Doumbé13:37

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Oh, okay.

   12. CDCedric Doumbé13:38

       And I think UFC gonna come in, in France.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       So they'll probably be a UFC in Paris?

   14. CDCedric Doumbé13:41

       Yeah, for sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       Oh, okay.

   16. CDCedric Doumbé13:43

       I think so.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:43

       That sounds wild.

   18. CDCedric Doumbé13:44

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       Yeah, well, the more guys like you get involved in MMA, though, the more it complicates kickboxing, though, because, like, when elite fighters, world champions like yourself make a jump to MMA, then people might look at kickboxing as a stepping stone instead of as a valid individual sport.

   20. CDCedric Doumbé14:03

       Yeah, yeah, that's right. But, uh, you mean when a guy, uh, step from kickboxing to MMA?

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Yeah, that like maybe people won't care as much about kickboxing because they'll look at it as a stepping stone to MMA.

   22. CDCedric Doumbé14:16

       Yeah, yeah, of course. And, uh, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's what I, that's what I wanna d- I wanna do also, because I think, um, for a guy from, uh, kickboxing to, to go in MMA is, it's not really difficult for him if, uh, yeah, if you learn, uh, the ground game.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:34

       And wrestling takedown defense.

   24. CDCedric Doumbé14:34

       Yeah, wr- wrestle, takedown defense. If you learn that, it's gon- it's gonna be, yeah, s- more simple than a guy who come from Muay Thai. You know, Muay Thai is, is really different like kickboxing. Kickboxing, when you fight in kickboxing, you move a lot already, you're not a stand- a standing target, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       Mm.

   26. CDCedric Doumbé14:54

       Instead of Muay Thai. Muay Thai, you d- if you watch Muay Thai, you fight, they don't move a lot, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:00

       Right.

   28. CDCedric Doumbé15:00

       They stay still and the fight is, is, is all about power, power kicks, power punches. So-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Why do you think that's different? Because of the clinch? Because of elbows and knees, like...

   30. CDCedric Doumbé15:12

       Because of the, the, the movement, the movement. In, in, in MMA, they stay still, and in kickboxing, the- there is no, you know, there is no break, you know? They just keep fighting-
8. 15:37 – 17:00

   Building the grappling base: luta livre, Paris training, and AKA reality checks

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      Now, in France, is it easy to get wrestling? Do you, do you get wrestling training?

   2. CDCedric Doumbé15:43

      I, uh, in France, I get grappling training. I think here in USA, you call that BJJ no gi.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:49

      Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

   4. CDCedric Doumbé15:50

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      No gi.

   6. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

      No gi, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Yeah.

   10. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

       That's why I, that's why, uh, I'm training in France. It's a very, very big team-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       What about takedowns or takedown defense and wrestling?

   12. CDCedric Doumbé15:57

       But, you know, this, this, this style of, um, of, uh, no gi training I get is, uh, is a little bit different like, uh, as B- BJJ because we start, uh, on our feet.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Uh-huh.

   14. CDCedric Doumbé16:10

       And, uh, and y- and we use the waist, and then after the takedown, we continue, so-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Right.

   16. CDCedric Doumbé16:16

       ... it's not like an, an Olympic wrestling.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Right.

   18. CDCedric Doumbé16:19

       But it is... They call that luta livre.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Okay.

   20. CDCedric Doumbé16:22

       I don't know if you, you heard about it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Yes. No, luta livre is what they call it in Brazil, but I, I know what you're saying. Yeah.

   22. CDCedric Doumbé16:27

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Yeah. Um, so in America, most Brazilian jiu-jitsu, they start on the ground already. They'll start on the knees or something like that-

   24. CDCedric Doumbé16:34

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       ... to avoid accidents.

   26. CDCedric Doumbé16:36

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Because, you know, you got a class full of 40 people-

   28. CDCedric Doumbé16:38

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       ... rolling around together and they're trying to tackle each other and c- colliding.

   30. CDCedric Doumbé16:41

       Yeah, yeah.
9. 17:00 – 25:53

   Timeline to the UFC: dream matchups and ‘shock the world’ entry

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:00

      Now, at 26, what, how much time do you think you need between now and when you have your first MMA fight?

   2. CDCedric Doumbé17:08

      You know what is my dream?

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:09

      Yes.

   4. CDCedric Doumbé17:10

      Now is, now I beat everybody so, like, I'm getting bored in, uh, in kickboxing, you know? I still defending my, my title because I like it, because of the cash prize also, and, um, (smacks lips) my dream is I still in contract in, uh, for one, one year and a half, (smacks lips) little bit more than one year. My dream is prepare myself to MMA (smacks lips) during one year, so I still got time. And after the, the end of the contract, directly go to UFC and take the champ for the, uh, a direct title shot or a top five ranked guy. I really, I really, really would like to fight Nate Diaz or, uh, Anthony Pettis for, for my f- my first fight MMA to... Why? To, to, to shock, only to shock the world, to, to show everybody that a guy who come from kickboxing-... directly, his first fight is against a top guy in MMA and he, he fuck him up. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:23

      (laughs)

   6. CDCedric Doumbé18:24

      So (laughs) that's what I wanna do and I really, really believe in me and I know I will, I can and I will do it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:31

      Now have you been in c- in talks with UFC? Does UFC know about your plans?

   8. CDCedric Doumbé18:36

      Not yet.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:36

      Not yet.

   10. CDCedric Doumbé18:37

       Yet.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       Will they do now-

   12. CDCedric Doumbé18:38

       Uh, not yet.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       ... because of this?

   14. CDCedric Doumbé18:39

       But I think after this show-

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:41

       Yeah.

   16. CDCedric Doumbé18:41

       ... they'll be here about it, so-

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       Yeah, now they're gonna know.

   18. CDCedric Doumbé18:44

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       So you're training at AKA, was that the first time you ever trained up there?

   20. CDCedric Doumbé18:48

       No, it's my second time.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       Second time?

   22. CDCedric Doumbé18:49

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       When did you train before?

   24. CDCedric Doumbé18:51

       Before was one years ago, November, yeah, I came here after my Glory fight. Uh, I broke my ribs, so I took a little bit, uh, vacation in Thailand and then, uh, after that, yeah, I just fly to, uh, AKA San Jose. And yeah, I meet, I met everybody, DC. Khabib wasn't there, but I met there a lot of great, great teammate. Uh, the, the wrestling level is just amazing there, so I met Jav also-

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       Yeah.

   26. CDCedric Doumbé19:22

       ... Javier Men- uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       Javier Mendes, yeah.

   28. CDCedric Doumbé19:23

       Yeah. Si.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       So that's a great camp for a guy like you too because it's very wrestling heavy.

   30. CDCedric Doumbé19:28

       Yeah.
10. 25:53 – 33:53

    A unique approach: conditioning-first, no kickboxing coach, and DIY camps

    1. JRJoe Rogan25:53

       So you've been out here now, uh, you went to the UFC event and then you did some training at AKA. Like, uh, w- when you are outside of camp, say like whenever your fight is scheduled, how much, uh, t- w- what kind of training are you doing when you're not in camp? Are you mixing it up now and trying to do a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of BJJ?

    2. CDCedric Doumbé26:14

       When I'm not in camp what I do... So my, um, my conditioning trainer, Valentino Gargiulo, he follow me everywhere, he's with me today. And, uh, we just train strength, conditioning because before that was my weakness, the condition.

    3. JRJoe Rogan26:31

       Yeah.

    4. CDCedric Doumbé26:31

       I used, I used to knock everybody out at the first round. So I never trained my condition, I never took it very serious because I used to knock people out at the first round. So when I did my first five round, I was like, "Wow, damn, the condition is so, so important." So that's why I'm training a lot, you know, uh, strength for sure, conditioning and also, yeah, when I'm not... when I h- I don't have a fight, kickboxing fight planned, I train BJJ, I train wrestling, MMA and, uh, yeah, it is a completely different condition. It's crazy when you, when you wrestle with a guy and then you, you, you get up and you're trying to strike, fuck.

    5. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       You're exhausted.

    6. CDCedric Doumbé27:14

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really-

    7. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       Yeah.

    8. CDCedric Doumbé27:15

       It's very-

    9. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       Your arms are filled with blood.

    10. CDCedric Doumbé27:16

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan27:16

        Yeah.

    12. CDCedric Doumbé27:16

        You doesn't feel nothing any more.

    13. JRJoe Rogan27:17

        Your legs.

    14. CDCedric Doumbé27:18

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan27:18

        Yeah.

    16. CDCedric Doumbé27:18

        It's very crazy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan27:19

        Now what kind of strength and conditioning do you... are you doing and how often are you doing it? Like say if you're, if you're preparing for a fight-

    18. CDCedric Doumbé27:26

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan27:26

        ... how many days a week do you do strength and conditioning?

    20. CDCedric Doumbé27:28

        When I'm pr- I'm preparing for a fight, uh, every day.

    21. JRJoe Rogan27:33

        Every day.

    22. CDCedric Doumbé27:33

        Every day. It's not... of course, it's not the same training, but every day I see Valentino and, uh, we train together. Yeah. Every day. I train more conditioning and strength more than kickboxing.

    23. JRJoe Rogan27:45

        Really?

    24. CDCedric Doumbé27:46

        Yeah. I, I don't have a, uh, a trainer in kickboxing.

    25. JRJoe Rogan27:48

        What?

    26. CDCedric Doumbé27:49

        (laughs) Yeah. That's right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan27:51

        What?

    28. CDCedric Doumbé27:51

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan27:51

        Really?

    30. CDCedric Doumbé27:52

        People, people don't believe, doesn't believe me when I say that, but I don't have-
11. 33:53 – 43:25

    Comedy, acting aspirations, and the personal origin story

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:53

       Now, another crazy thing about you that people might not know is that you're a comedian.

    2. CDCedric Doumbé33:59

       (laughs) Yeah, that's right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       You're a stand-up comedian-

    4. CDCedric Doumbé34:01

       Yeah, that's right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       ... which is hilarious.

    6. CDCedric Doumbé34:03

       Before, before.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       Yes.

    8. CDCedric Doumbé34:04

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       But do you- for you to be a world champion kickboxer and a stand-up comedian, that is a very unusual combination.

    10. CDCedric Doumbé34:11

        Yeah, that's right, because first my first dream and that still- still my dream today is to become an actor, a comedian. And, uh, before- before I started, uh, combat sport, yeah, I was doing stand-up, I was- uh, I was in high school also, I was, uh, learning, um, uh, comedian stuff, uh, actor, acting and I really- I really like it. And then, uh, come the combat sport and then I started to improve myself to become, yeah, more to fight, to fight, to fight. And then I- I stopped a little bit, uh, yeah, stand-up, acting. But three months ago, I was- uh, I played in a small movie, short movie in France. Yeah, I played- it's gonna- it's gonna go out in few- in few- few weeks.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:59

        Now, when you do stand-up in Paris, are you working at comedy clubs? Like, do they have comedy clubs in Paris?

    12. CDCedric Doumbé35:07

        It's not in Paris. Uh, comedy club in- in Bordeaux.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:09

        In France?

    14. CDCedric Doumbé35:10

        In Bordeaux.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:10

        In Bordeaux?

    16. CDCedric Doumbé35:10

        Yeah, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:11

        Yeah.

    18. CDCedric Doumbé35:11

        I was very young. I was- I still young (laughs) , but I was, yeah, 18, 19.

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        And so Bordeaux has comedy clubs?

    20. CDCedric Doumbé35:18

        Yes, comedy club in Bordeaux.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:19

        And it's all obviously in French?

    22. CDCedric Doumbé35:21

        In French, of course.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:22

        Yeah.

    24. CDCedric Doumbé35:22

        Yeah, not in English.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:23

        Right.

    26. CDCedric Doumbé35:24

        I never-

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:24

        Have you ever done comedy in English?

    28. CDCedric Doumbé35:25

        Never.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:26

        Never?

    30. CDCedric Doumbé35:26

        No. Oh, yes. One in, uh- I think you can find it in, uh, YouTube is, uh, I was, um, I was teaching people how to cook- how to good- how to cook a- a great, uh, chicken.
12. 43:25 – 1:12:23

    Fight talk & industry detours: Nabiev KO breakdown, legends, and crossover debates

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:25

       Your last fight against, uh, how do you say his name, Nabiev?

    2. CDCedric Doumbé43:28

       Alim Nabiev. Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:30

       Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, man.

    4. CDCedric Doumbé43:31

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:31

       He's very good. And for you to knock him out like that, the way you did.

    6. CDCedric Doumbé43:35

       Nobody knock him out in-

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       No.

    8. CDCedric Doumbé43:36

       ... in Glory. Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       He's very tricky.

    10. CDCedric Doumbé43:38

        Yeah, he's tricky.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        He's sneaky.

    12. CDCedric Doumbé43:39

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        That guy fights very technical as well.

    14. CDCedric Doumbé43:41

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:42

        Yeah.

    16. CDCedric Doumbé43:42

        But I was so focused, you know, on th- on that fight because d-

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:45

        Did you ever see Robin Bra... Do you know who Robin Black is?

    18. CDCedric Doumbé43:48

        No.

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:48

        Robin Black is a friend of mine, and he, (clears throat) he breaks down fights.

    20. CDCedric Doumbé43:52

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:53

        He, he talks about like what someone did that worked so well.

    22. CDCedric Doumbé43:56

        The guy who say, "Enjoy the hostility, my friends."

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:59

        Yes.

    24. CDCedric Doumbé43:59

        No... Yes.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:00

        Yes, yes.

    26. CDCedric Doumbé44:01

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:01

        That's exactly... Yeah.

    28. CDCedric Doumbé44:02

        I saw the video.

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:03

        He's famous for saying, "Bink."

    30. CDCedric Doumbé44:04

        Bink, bink.

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