JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom. All right, we're…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Boom. All right, we're live. (microphone thuds) What's going on, man? What do you got there? Text messaging people?

   2. CDCedric Doumbé0:07

      No. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      (laughs) Shutting your phone off?

   4. CDCedric Doumbé0:10

      Yeah, I just put it on-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Silent?

   6. CDCedric Doumbé0:13

      ... silent mode.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How long have you been in America now for? You're, you're only here for like two weeks, right?

   8. CDCedric Doumbé0:18

      (smacks lips) Uh, yeah. I came for two week and, yeah, and th- three days. And, uh, as you invited me at the, at the UFC, and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Did you enjoy it?

   10. CDCedric Doumbé0:28

       Yeah, it was great. That's my first time at the UFC.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       That's the first time, really?

   12. CDCedric Doumbé0:31

       Yeah. Even at an MMA event.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       You've never been to an MMA event?

   14. CDCedric Doumbé0:35

       No, no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Really?

   16. CDCedric Doumbé0:35

       No. In France, it's so boring, you know. You know that, uh, now it's forbidden in France.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yes.

   18. CDCedric Doumbé0:40

       And you can't hit a guy when he's in, on the floor.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Oh.

   20. CDCedric Doumbé0:45

       So that's why it used to be boring in France, because they fight, like striking, and then when a guy take you down, and then it's just BJJ and, uh, grabbing-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Adjust the missions?

   22. CDCedric Doumbé0:55

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yes. Oh, that's interesting.

   24. CDCedric Doumbé0:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       So their MMA rules, when they would go to the ground, no striking at all?

   26. CDCedric Doumbé1:00

       No striking. So that's why it's boring.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Even to the body?

   28. CDCedric Doumbé1:02

       Even in the b- Oh, I think, yeah, in the body, they can.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Oh, okay.

   30. CDCedric Doumbé1:06

       They can.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. CDCedric Doumbé15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Right.

   3. CDCedric Doumbé15:00

      They stay still and the fight is, is, is all about power, power kicks, power punches. So-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Why do you think that's different? Because of the clinch? Because of elbows and knees, like...

   5. CDCedric Doumbé15:12

      Because of the, the, the movement, the movement. In, in, in MMA, they stay still, and in kickboxing, the- there is no, you know, there is no break, you know? They just keep fighting-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      Right.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé15:22

      ... one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. And, uh, in Muay Thai, it's more like one, one, one, elbow-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      Mm.

   9. CDCedric Doumbé15:27

      ... knees, (smacks lips) and yeah, also, but the clinch is good for MMA because then, you know, in MMA-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Yes.

   11. CDCedric Doumbé15:33

       ... yeah, the wr-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       The Thai clinch.

   13. CDCedric Doumbé15:34

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Yeah.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé15:35

       Of course, this is good for MMA.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Now, in France, is it easy to get wrestling? Do you, do you get wrestling training?

   17. CDCedric Doumbé15:43

       I, uh, in France, I get grappling training. I think here in USA, you call that BJJ no gi.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

   19. CDCedric Doumbé15:50

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       No gi.

   21. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

       No gi, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Yeah.

   25. CDCedric Doumbé15:51

       That's why I, that's why, uh, I'm training in France. It's a very, very big team-

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       What about takedowns or takedown defense and wrestling?

   27. CDCedric Doumbé15:57

       But, you know, this, this, this style of, um, of, uh, no gi training I get is, uh, is a little bit different like, uh, as B- BJJ because we start, uh, on our feet.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Uh-huh.

   29. CDCedric Doumbé16:10

       And, uh, and y- and we use the waist, and then after the takedown, we continue, so-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CDCedric Doumbé30:00

      teach me anymore, I just flew out to, um, Amsterdam because of, yeah, because of Kaman, you know, in my mind I was thinking about, okay, uh, where is the best kickboxing in the planet? Um, um, Holland. So I went to Holland, Mejiro Gym was famous-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CDCedric Doumbé30:16

      ... because of Rob Kaman, because of, uh, Remy Bonjasky.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Sure.

   5. CDCedric Doumbé30:20

      And, uh, I went to Mejiro Gym, I trained there maybe two years, you know, I was flying Bordeaux, Amsterdam during t- two years and, uh, yeah, uh, the coach was André Minnaar.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:33

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé30:33

      He teached me a lot, you know, uh, I learned a lot there and when I, I figure out that I couldn't learn anymore-... uh, else in Muay Thai. I just went to Belgium because I met Samir Mahjoubi. He is a very, very great coach. For me, he is the best coach I never, I never had.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:51

      Well, why wouldn't you spend your camps with him, then?

   9. CDCedric Doumbé30:54

      Why?

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Yeah.

   11. CDCedric Doumbé30:55

       Because, because we meet each other at, uh, an event in France and then I saw one of, uh, his fighter. He was fighting. And then when I saw his technique, his, uh, his condition... He was- you know, his first round was looking the same at his fifth round. It was crazy. A very, very high level condition.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Mm-hmm.

   13. CDCedric Doumbé31:17

       His name is Mohamed Ndoube, was very crazy and I say, "That's- that's like this I wanna fight."

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Right.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé31:23

       He was so technical, you know. And I say, "That's what- like this I wanna fight." Uh, I went to Belgium in Brussels and I train with him. Also, two years I was, uh, driving Paris-Brussels, Paris-Brussels, uh, two years. During t- two years, I train with him and I... That's with Samir that, um, I won my first belt against Nicky Holzken. He cha- if you watch my fight before Nicky Holzken and the fight against Nicky Holzken, it's completely two different fighter, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       So why don't you do your camps with him now?

   17. CDCedric Doumbé31:56

       Now because he live in Brussels.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       Oh, 'cause it's too hard to go to Brussels?

   19. CDCedric Doumbé31:58

       And I live in Par-... Yeah, yeah. It's too hard.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       Yeah.

   21. CDCedric Doumbé32:00

       I can't anymore do that. So that's why I left Samir, but Samir is still in my corner when I fight.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       Oh.

   23. CDCedric Doumbé32:07

       He just come, you know, but I don't train anymore with Samir.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       So there's no one in Paris?

   25. CDCedric Doumbé32:13

       No, no.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Or in Bordeaux that you can...

   27. CDCedric Doumbé32:16

       For me, the best, the best, the best, uh, trainer, the best school is, uh, in Brussels, the Queensberry Gym and I never found another, another team with that kind of love, so I cannot train with, uh, any coach, you know. And I just train myself. My- my friend hold weights for me and I train with Valentino, the conditioning training.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Mm-hmm.

   29. CDCedric Doumbé32:37

       For me, it was more important than- than the kickboxing. Everybody know how to kickbox now. We know how to kickbox, but the difference we- we make with the conditioning for me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:48

       That's interesting.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. CDCedric Doumbé45:00

      him to read my, my move, my movements.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Right.

   3. CDCedric Doumbé45:03

      Yeah. So he just... The, the KO came before that knees, before that knee because I touch him with a left hook and the right hook. He was wobbly on his, on his legs.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CDCedric Doumbé45:16

      And then, uh, yeah, he just throw a knee and boom.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Yeah.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé45:19

      That was the finish.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      No, it was very impressive, man.

   9. CDCedric Doumbé45:21

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Very impressive to knock that guy out, and that's has to be... So as you're looking at your career now and you're saying that there's no one else to beat, uh, after you knock out a guy like Nabiev-

   11. CDCedric Doumbé45:31

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       ... it's, uh... Does that make it harder for you to get motivated?

   13. CDCedric Doumbé45:35

       No, because for me is, um, more I win fights, more I'm, I'm getting to the top of the world, like UFC champ. And after-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Yes.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé45:42

       Maybe a- after the UFC belt, I will, I will g- I will (laughs) have another. I don't know. Maybe a (laughs) -

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       What would the next goal be?

   17. CDCedric Doumbé45:48

       ... uh, uh, Olympic champs, uh, west-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       (laughs)

   19. CDCedric Doumbé45:51

       I don't know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Wrestling? That's hilarious.

   21. CDCedric Doumbé45:53

       So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       That would be crazy.

   23. CDCedric Doumbé45:54

       No, for me, I still get... 'Cause if I... Now I'm Glory champ, so if I lose my, my, my title defense now, I will go, I will go down. So I need to keep the same-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Same level.

   25. CDCedric Doumbé46:05

       Yeah, yeah, the same level. So that's what motivate, motivate me.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yeah. So when you were telling me that you do, uh, strength and conditioning every day, like what kind of stuff are you doing? Today, like we talked today and you said that-

   27. CDCedric Doumbé46:16

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       ... you were running on the beach.

   29. CDCedric Doumbé46:17

       Yeah. So, uh, today I wanted to train first, like, um, it's not a... it's not strength, but it's, uh, like, um... I don't know how t- how to call that in English, but, uh, it's like, uh, conditioning, uh, uh conditioning, uh, training we, we wanna do. And I think that's what we, we, we will do after is conditioning with, um, ASSA bike.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       Mm-hmm, assault bike, yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:23

   Why would you? …

   1. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      Why would you?

   3. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:02

      Yes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Yeah?

   5. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:02

      Yeah, I think if I fight Nicky, like, tomorrow, I will fi- fight different. I will go for the knockout this time, because I- I'm not the same fighter as before.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Mm.

   7. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:11

      So I think I will, I will success, I will knock him out.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Now he's over in ONE FC now, huh?

   9. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:17

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Which is interesting 'cause they fight in a cage.

   11. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:20

       Yeah, but...

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       Little gloves too.

   13. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:22

       Yeah. No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       Oh, he's using big gloves.

   15. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:24

       Muay Thai, Muay Thai is sometime you fight little glove.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       They mix it up a lot over there.

   17. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:27

       Yeah, they, they, there are a lot of, uh, a lot of, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Different rules.

   19. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:30

       ... different, uh, rules, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       When he knocked out Cosmo Alexandre though, I was like, "Ooh."

   21. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:34

       Yeah, that was a crazy knockout.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Yeah, that was a crazy knockout.

   23. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:37

       Yeah. But for me-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       That shows you how good he is. And then you see Cosmo Alexandre fuck up, uh, Sage Northcutt and you realize how good Cosmo is.

   25. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:44

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       And then you see how bad Nicky beat up Cosmo.

   27. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:47

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       You're like, "Damn, Nicky's good."

   29. CDCedric Doumbé1:00:48

       Yeah, he's very good. I like... You know, be- before, before I fight Nicky, it was one of my, my, yeah, my best fighter and I, I, I ever like, because when I was watching him against-... Karim Ghaji, the French fighter.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 1:22:45