JRE MMA Show #8 with Jimmy Smith

1. 0:00 – 2:03

   Jimmy Smith’s Bellator exit: what happened and why it matters

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... waiting on ja-? We good?

   2. JSJimmy Smith0:01

      Just waiting on you guys.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. (laughs)

   4. JSJimmy Smith0:04

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      We're chatting about kombucha. I just wanna say before this podcast starts, you fucked up, Bellator.

   6. JSJimmy Smith0:10

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      You fucked up. You fucked up. I've been telling everybody that Jimmy Smith's the best out there forever, and you let him go. That's, that's, that's a, that's a huge error on their part.

   8. JSJimmy Smith0:20

      It's just... We can't talk about anything.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      It is what it is.

   10. JSJimmy Smith0:22

       That might be, like, uh, some future news. We can't talk about that. We can't, uh- But the past is, the past is up for-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yeah.

   12. JSJimmy Smith0:28

       ... for discussion, that's for sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       The past is up for discussion. I would be-

   14. JSJimmy Smith0:31

       The present's good.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... thrilled if somehow or another they were able to work it out where Jimmy Smith was at the UFC.

   16. JSJimmy Smith0:37

       We shall see.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       That would be what I would like to see.

   18. JSJimmy Smith0:39

       We shall see how that goes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I would like to see that.

   20. JSJimmy Smith0:40

       We will.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That, they've... That's a big fuck up.

   22. JSJimmy Smith0:43

       Yeah, man. It was, um... What do you want me to say? Like, uh, just a little background because a lot of people have been asking me. I haven't made any real public statements other than that-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I'm not a Bellator hater. I just want to say.

   24. JSJimmy Smith0:52

       Yeah, no. Bellator is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Across the board, never been a Bellator hater.

   26. JSJimmy Smith0:54

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Respect. You know?

   28. JSJimmy Smith0:55

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I enjoy watching it. I like the fighters.

   30. JSJimmy Smith0:56

       Yeah.
2. 2:03 – 6:17

   Why fight commentary is a real craft (and why fighters don’t automatically excel at it)

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      It's fascinating to me that in, in the world of, uh, mixed martial arts, professional mixed martial arts, there haven't been that many people that have done you... what you and I both do.

   2. JSJimmy Smith2:12

      Yes, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      There's a small handful of people.

   4. JSJimmy Smith2:14

      You know what ya, the weird thing is about our job? Really. And, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. Um, everybody thinks they got a guy. It's, it's one of those jobs that everybody thinks they can do, that they, they really go, "We'll just throw a fighter in, and then he'll be able to do it." I've seen I don't know how many of them that, that want to do... You know, even locker room interviews. "I want to get the next fighter to do that." And it's a, it's a job. It's a skill.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      It's a job.

   6. JSJimmy Smith2:36

      It's really... I mean, it's one of those things where everybody thinks they can throw somebody in and do it. And I've seen s- I don't know how many try. And it's, it's tough. You really have to work at it or have a knack for it. It's, it's not the kind of thing that, you know... It's almost like coaching. I mean, how many times have you heard... I've heard of great, great jujitsu guys, like, "He's just not a great coach." He's naturally really good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Yeah.

   8. JSJimmy Smith2:55

      He's not that good at teaching it because to him it just works, and then you try and it doesn't work. You know, it's one of those things where a great fighter isn't a great coach.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      Right. Sometimes, yeah.

   10. JSJimmy Smith3:04

       A great, yeah, a great fighter isn't necessarily a great broadcaster. It just doesn't work that way, so...

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Yeah, some guys are just naturally good at it, though.

   12. JSJimmy Smith3:09

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Like Cormier is naturally fun.

   14. JSJimmy Smith3:11

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Like when Rousdan Namajunas knocked out, uh, Joanna Jędrczek.

   16. JSJimmy Smith3:15

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       He starts yelling, "Thug Rose!"

   18. JSJimmy Smith3:17

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       "Thug Rose!" Like, he, that's just pure personality.

   20. JSJimmy Smith3:21

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Like you either have that in you or you don't. You can't fake yelling out "Thug Rose"-

   22. JSJimmy Smith3:25

       You can't.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       ... after Rousdan Namajunas KOs her.

   24. JSJimmy Smith3:28

       You, you can't fake enthusiasm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Right.

   26. JSJimmy Smith3:30

       And that's... I, I think the-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Real enthusiasm-

   28. JSJimmy Smith3:31

       Real enthusiasm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       ... is contagious, too.

   30. JSJimmy Smith3:33

       If you really care about the sport, there are two things that, that... Well, three things, uh, that we have to do is number one is educate people, because a lot of people just... Most Ameri- It's weird because most Americans didn't grow up wrestling. They didn't grow up doing Muay Thai. They didn't grow up doing jujitsu. So a lot of our sport is, at least partially, we're introducing them to it.
3. 6:17 – 10:52

   Weight cutting realities: huge cuts, IVs, and why the problem persists

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      Bellator's Welterweight Division in particular is-

   2. JSJimmy Smith6:20

      (whistles)

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:20

      ... goddamn stacked right now.

   4. JSJimmy Smith6:22

      You, you know what's funny? There are certain fighters, and I was thinking about it as I was watching the Cyborg fight last Saturday. There are certain fighters you meet, and it's, like, stunning. Certain athletes. When you, when you meet LeBron James, you go, "Jesus Christ."

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      Yeah.

   6. JSJimmy Smith6:33

      Like, I've seen him on TV.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JSJimmy Smith6:35

      But when you see him in real life, you go, "Holy shit, that guy's big." Cyborg's one of those. Douglas Lima is one of those. Have you ever met him?

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Yeah.

   10. JSJimmy Smith6:42

       When you meet that guy, you go, "God, you make 170 pounds?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       (laughs)

   12. JSJimmy Smith6:46

       He is huge.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       He is.

   14. JSJimmy Smith6:48

       He is massive.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       What do you think he walks around at?

   16. JSJimmy Smith6:50

       210.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       210.

   18. JSJimmy Smith6:51

       He told me.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       That's what he told you?

   20. JSJimmy Smith6:53

       When, uh, let me put it this-

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       Jesus.

   22. JSJimmy Smith6:54

       All right, so-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       That's 40 pounds. (laughs)

   24. JSJimmy Smith6:55

       When, when King Mo fought Rampage, all right, M- King Mo was 218. He stepped on the scale at 218.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       Right.

   26. JSJimmy Smith7:01

       I ... So the night of the fight, I go, you know, Douglas Lima was there, and I walk up to him and I go, "You've walked at 218." And he goes, "Yeah." He's like, "Well, I don't wanna eat too much. I, like, I shouldn't, but I have." He has walked around at what King Mo walked around at. 'Cause King Mo just stepped on the scale. It really doesn't cut to make 220. I mean, he- ... 'cause the, the weight class was 220 when he fought Rampage. He walks around King Mo size. Like, they are the same size.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       That is so insane.

   28. JSJimmy Smith7:23

       And he makes 170. He, he has the worst cut in terms of pounds I've ever seen. He, he deals with it well, um, but he has one of the biggest cuts I've ever seen.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       Now-

   30. JSJimmy Smith7:33

       And he's, he's really good with it. Which is weird.
4. 10:52 – 14:39

   Possible solutions: ONE’s hydration tests and adding weight classes

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:52

      Uh, ONE FC though is instituting some interesting new rule changes. And ONE FC is, uh, doing hydration tests.

   2. JSJimmy Smith10:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:59

      And they, they're-

   4. JSJimmy Smith10:59

      They're doing high schools now for wrestling.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:01

      Yeah.

   6. JSJimmy Smith11:01

      They didn't do that beforehand.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      They should.

   8. JSJimmy Smith11:02

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      They should. And, uh, oh God, who d- I'm trying to remember who told me that this weekend. But they're essentially saying they're gonna be able to ban weight cutting. They're just gonna be able to institute the ... No one's-

   10. JSJimmy Smith11:12

       Mm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       ... gonna be able to cut weight. You just, if you, if you pass the hydration test, you're not gonna be able to cut weight. So you have to pass this hydration test at every for-n, at every turn. You can't just get on the scale and you weigh 170 pounds. "Oh, congratulations." No. No, no, no. You weigh 170 pounds, but you're in danger. Like, look at your body. Look at your hydration levels.

   12. JSJimmy Smith11:30

       But at what point are they, are they testing?

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Apparently, they're doing it in three separate-

   14. JSJimmy Smith11:32

       'Cause if you don't want the card falling apart, of course.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       They step, ba-bam.

   16. JSJimmy Smith11:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       Not you, not you. And then half the card falls apart.

   18. JSJimmy Smith11:37

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       I know. What they did to, to-

   20. JSJimmy Smith11:39

       So, when would they is my, that's my question.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Well, they'd have to do it early and blow all the weight classes up.

   22. JSJimmy Smith11:44

       Yeah. 100%.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       Yeah, if that's what we're ... We were having this conversation-

   24. JSJimmy Smith11:46

       You have to shift everybody one, at least.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah. Yeah. Or if you don't even shift them one, you find out like, "What, what weight are you really?"You know, I mean, you could be like a Luke Rockhold dude who's a giant 185er. I mean, Luke easily looks like he could be a heavyweight when you're-

   26. JSJimmy Smith11:59

       Easy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       ... walking around him.

   28. JSJimmy Smith12:00

       Easy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       He l- he's like 220 or 230 or something like that, and then he gets to... I'm... Maybe he's mad at me right now. I don't really-

   30. JSJimmy Smith12:06

       (laughs) Of lean muscle, bro.
5. 14:39 – 19:41

   Khabib vs. Barboza: inevitability, mental breaking points, and 10-8 scoring

   1. JSJimmy Smith14:39

      Unbelievable. That was... it, it's really weird sometimes w- when you... in any sport, I don't care what it is, when you see somebody... you know, Jordan in his prime, you just, you just can't cover the guy. It's almost like he's the only one on the court.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:52

      Yeah.

   3. JSJimmy Smith14:53

      Nurmagomedov, it was like he was the only one in the cage. It was crazy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:56

      It was like everything was inevitable.

   5. JSJimmy Smith14:58

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:58

      Everything was inevitable.

   7. JSJimmy Smith14:59

      Yeah, it's unbelievable.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:59

      The takedown was inevitable. The beatings were inevitable. You know, even if you hit him, congratulations, now you're on your ass. Y- y- getting punched in the face over and over again. You can't get up. You're getting mauled, like immediately.

   9. JSJimmy Smith15:11

      And against an excellent fighter.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Excellent, yeah.

   11. JSJimmy Smith15:13

       And people forget Barboza, Barboza is amazing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Amazing.

   13. JSJimmy Smith15:16

       And he made him look like he's j-... and, uh, the look on his face when he got up when Barboza was like, "Hey, you were better than me." I...

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Yeah.

   15. JSJimmy Smith15:24

       It was almost like a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       Yeah.

   17. JSJimmy Smith15:26

       ... like a shrug, wasn't even mad. It was just when you see somebody that much better, it's, it's back to the drawing board in some-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Well, I was super impressed with Barboza being able to make it to the final bell. I mean, that was amazing. Just being able to do that, that shows you what a dominant performance it was-

   19. JSJimmy Smith15:41

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... by a guy like Khabib. But you also realize like what, what a world class fighter Barboza is, that he did... keeps throwing wheel kicks in the third round, and even landed one of them. He just didn't have much on him anymore.

   21. JSJimmy Smith15:53

       He didn't have the juice on him left. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       But fuck, man. He was still trying to win after a horrendous mauling for eight plus minutes.

   23. JSJimmy Smith16:00

       You know when I really look at fighters, when I really, when I really focus on them, especially the face, in between rounds, I look for that breaking moment of like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Yeah.

   25. JSJimmy Smith16:08

       ... uh, you know. Uh, Vitor Belfort, Randy Couture and he's sitting on the ground just-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah.

   27. JSJimmy Smith16:13

       ... like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah.

   29. JSJimmy Smith16:13

       ... didn't even sit on a stool.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Yeah.
6. 19:41 – 21:59

   Evolving performance levels: RDA at 170, calf kicks, and fight adjustments

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:41

      Well, it seems to me that everything right now is, is next level in comparison to a year and a half, two years ago. Like, Dos Anjos beat, uh, Robbie Lawler recently in just a fucking tour de force, de force performance. Watch that fight, I was like, this is as good as Dos Anjos has ever looked, if not better.

   2. JSJimmy Smith19:58

      Real sharp.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      Fucking amazing at 170, but more importantly like the, the output, the f- the, the, the amount of shots that he landed, the amount of shots that he fired, the, the endurance that he's showing. Everybody is on this complete different performance level right now.

   4. JSJimmy Smith20:14

      What I loved about that performance is one thing that generally doesn't change weight classes well when you move up is power. Meaning, Robbie Lawler, if you remember at 170 he was knocking everybody out, 185 he was like so-so. The shot that knocked somebody out at 70 when he, when he was at Strikeforce at 185 isn't gonna knock out Jacare, it's not gonna knock out Babaloo, it's not gonna r- knock out these big 185ers. So a lot of power punchers have trouble changing weight classes because the power shot just doesn't go with them. Dos Anjos looked like he knew that and when I got a volume guy at 170, I'm not gonna knock anybody out with one shot at, at 50, uh, like I did at 55. I have to throw more at 70, I have to be more accurate at 70, I have to slice them up with elbows a little more. So I like all the adjustments he made for the new weight class. He didn't try to fight like he did at 55. He's like, "I gotta throw more against these guys. I can't go one punch for one punch with Robbie Lawler."

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:00

      Yeah.

   6. JSJimmy Smith21:00

      That guy's a huge 170. So I liked the way his style modified with, with the weight class change.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:04

      Yeah.

   8. JSJimmy Smith21:04

      A lot of guys don't do that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:05

      I agree and I also think the use of leg kicks is critical. You gotta slow Robbie down.

   10. JSJimmy Smith21:09

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Robbie's a big heavy guy and he immediately started chopping. That, it is crazy to me also that that low calf kick is becoming such a giant factor in MMA. That kick is just dominant now.

   12. JSJimmy Smith21:21

       Everybody's using it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       Remember, remember what Manoff did to him after he knocked him out and couldn't walk?

   14. JSJimmy Smith21:25

       Woo.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       Like he knocks him out- Yeah.

   16. JSJimmy Smith21:26

       ... and was like limping over to his corner going, "I, you know, one more and I c- I'm done."

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       That was one of the greatest-

   18. JSJimmy Smith21:31

       It's crazy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       ... comeback from behind knockouts ever.

   20. JSJimmy Smith21:33

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       And he's, he's eating all those leg kicks and M- Melvin is just coming after. Boom, boom, boom.

   22. JSJimmy Smith21:37

       If you haven't seen that fight folks, see it, 'cause it's, it's awesome and Melvin's just owning that leg.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       Yeah.

   24. JSJimmy Smith21:42

       Got a little aggressive as, as Melvin Manoff does and got clipped, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       Got clipped with the haymaker of all haymakers.

   26. JSJimmy Smith21:48

       Haymaker. Hail Mary, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       (laughs)

   28. JSJimmy Smith21:50

       Incredible.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       And then one on the way down too.

   30. JSJimmy Smith21:51

       Yeah.
7. 21:59 – 46:00

   Matchmaking ‘what-ifs’: Diaz rematches, GSP’s cherry-on-top, and Conor’s next move

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:59

      Yeah, Robbie was a brutal, brutal knockout artist. I always wanted to see a rematch between him and Nick Diaz.

   2. JSJimmy Smith22:04

      I think everybody wants to see that. That would be awesome.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:06

      How's that, how is it possible that that didn't take place?

   4. JSJimmy Smith22:08

      It's wei- there're certain matches that, that you wonder, "Man, how did that never..." You know, uh, the, the run Wanderlei was on, right? Wanderlei Detour 2.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:15

      Yeah.

   6. JSJimmy Smith22:15

      Never, never happened.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:16

      Yeah.

   8. JSJimmy Smith22:16

      I mean, there're certain ones you go, "Man, I can't believe that fight ever happened again." That's certainly one of them. Still could.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:20

      Definitely.

   10. JSJimmy Smith22:20

       Still could hypothetically, I mean, would still sell like crazy, you know.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       I mean, I wonder if Nick Diaz if he wanted to come back would only want to come back for a title fight. I wonder if he's like that kind of money fight guy where it's like, yeah, obviously he's got some money and obviously-

   12. JSJimmy Smith22:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       ... he's not beating down on anybody's door to fight.

   14. JSJimmy Smith22:35

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       He's not, you know, he's doing whatever the fuck he wants to do. But if you could get him back for a big money fight, I wonder if it would only be like a title fight?

   16. JSJimmy Smith22:42

       That's increasingly what's happening these days. I mean-

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       Yeah.

   18. JSJimmy Smith22:44

       ... guys are like, "Ah, I'm not getting paid."

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       Like GSP. Yeah.

   20. JSJimmy Smith22:46

       Yeah. He came back for a huge money fight and that's it, you know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       It's funny, Dana White said something crazy like, uh, "Yeah, he's just gonna pack up his money and f- head back to Canada."

   22. JSJimmy Smith22:55

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:55

       Get a big check.

   24. JSJimmy Smith22:56

       Uh, I need three suitcases to hold all of it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:58

       I mean.

   26. JSJimmy Smith22:58

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:58

       He did.

   28. JSJimmy Smith22:59

       Big money fight stuff.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:00

       Came back, won the title and then retired.

   30. JSJimmy Smith23:02

       Yeah.
8. 46:00 – 59:03

   Behind the mic: angry fighters, interviews, production constraints, and online criticism

   1. JSJimmy Smith46:00

      Right. That, yeah, let's do it. So, all right, I gotta ask. Commentator to commentator.

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:02

      All right.

   3. JSJimmy Smith46:02

      What's the, what's the, what's the, the maddest a fighter's ever been at you for what?

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:06

      Man, I don't know.

   5. JSJimmy Smith46:07

      'Cause we all have these stories.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:08

      Mmm.

   7. JSJimmy Smith46:08

      Not many of them. Mo- usually, I get along with just about everybody, but there are a couple stories.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:11

      I get along with just about everybody too. And if there was ever ... Oh, Rampage was mad at once.

   9. JSJimmy Smith46:15

      I remember that. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       'Cause I was, I was saying that he needed to throw more leg kicks or something like that. But it's just 'cause I wanted him to be successful. And when he does, he's ... I just think that guys get a little too knockout heavy sometimes, and I like to see people be more technical and mix it up.

   11. JSJimmy Smith46:27

       It's an addiction, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       And you're never gonna get away from the power that Rampage had and has. He's always gonna have that power. My thought was like, what I would like to see as a person who's a fan, I'd like to see him mix it up more.

   13. JSJimmy Smith46:37

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       You know, and become more technical. He's always gonna have that ridiculous chin. He's always gonna have that unbelievable power. Those, those things are not going away.

   15. JSJimmy Smith46:45

       It was the first guy I ever grappled with.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       Rampage?

   17. JSJimmy Smith46:47

       It was Quentin Rampage Jackson.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       That's hilarious.

   19. JSJimmy Smith46:48

       He was the first, first guy I ever grappled with.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       Really? At a legit studio.

   21. JSJimmy Smith46:51

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       I grappled with him once. We were doing something for some television show, some inside ... That's right, that inside the UFC thing that I used to do like way back in the day. That was like, uh, when Spike first had the UFC, we did some stuff. And he was getting ready to fight Chuck, and we did some stuff together. He, he, like a lot of people didn't know who he was. He came over. We drove around LA in his, uh, monster truck. He had some crazy monster truck. It was like jacked three feet up in the air. He was-

   23. JSJimmy Smith47:17

       If you weren't into Pride, you didn't know who he was.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:18

       No, nobody knew who he was.

   25. JSJimmy Smith47:19

       Not at that point, not at that point, of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       We ran into one of the Wu-Tang Clan-

   27. JSJimmy Smith47:22

       Beat Marvin Eastman before that?

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       I was with Rampage. We ran into one of the Wu-Tang Clan in a weird section of LA on Hollywood Boulevard. The Wu-Tang-

   29. JSJimmy Smith47:31

       That's one of those.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:31

       ... dude was coming out of a check cashing place. (coughs) I forget which guy it was. We were having a good fucking time, though. That was before anybody knew who Rampage was.

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