JRE MMA Show #8 with Jimmy Smith

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... waiting on ja-?…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... waiting on ja-? We good?

   2. JSJimmy Smith0:01

      Just waiting on you guys.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. (laughs)

   4. JSJimmy Smith0:04

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      We're chatting about kombucha. I just wanna say before this podcast starts, you fucked up, Bellator.

   6. JSJimmy Smith0:10

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      You fucked up. You fucked up. I've been telling everybody that Jimmy Smith's the best out there forever, and you let him go. That's, that's, that's a, that's a huge error on their part.

   8. JSJimmy Smith0:20

      It's just... We can't talk about anything.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      It is what it is.

   10. JSJimmy Smith0:22

       That might be, like, uh, some future news. We can't talk about that. We can't, uh- But the past is, the past is up for-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yeah.

   12. JSJimmy Smith0:28

       ... for discussion, that's for sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       The past is up for discussion. I would be-

   14. JSJimmy Smith0:31

       The present's good.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... thrilled if somehow or another they were able to work it out where Jimmy Smith was at the UFC.

   16. JSJimmy Smith0:37

       We shall see.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       That would be what I would like to see.

   18. JSJimmy Smith0:39

       We shall see how that goes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I would like to see that.

   20. JSJimmy Smith0:40

       We will.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That, they've... That's a big fuck up.

   22. JSJimmy Smith0:43

       Yeah, man. It was, um... What do you want me to say? Like, uh, just a little background because a lot of people have been asking me. I haven't made any real public statements other than that-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I'm not a Bellator hater. I just want to say.

   24. JSJimmy Smith0:52

       Yeah, no. Bellator is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Across the board, never been a Bellator hater.

   26. JSJimmy Smith0:54

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Respect. You know?

   28. JSJimmy Smith0:55

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I enjoy watching it. I like the fighters.

   30. JSJimmy Smith0:56

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   And against an excellent…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      was inevitable. The beatings were inevitable. You know, even if you hit him, congratulations, now you're on your ass. Y- y- getting punched in the face over and over again. You can't get up. You're getting mauled, like immediately.

   2. JSJimmy Smith15:11

      And against an excellent fighter.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Excellent, yeah.

   4. JSJimmy Smith15:13

      And people forget Barboza, Barboza is amazing.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Amazing.

   6. JSJimmy Smith15:16

      And he made him look like he's j-... and, uh, the look on his face when he got up when Barboza was like, "Hey, you were better than me." I...

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Yeah.

   8. JSJimmy Smith15:24

      It was almost like a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      Yeah.

   10. JSJimmy Smith15:26

       ... like a shrug, wasn't even mad. It was just when you see somebody that much better, it's, it's back to the drawing board in some-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Well, I was super impressed with Barboza being able to make it to the final bell. I mean, that was amazing. Just being able to do that, that shows you what a dominant performance it was-

   12. JSJimmy Smith15:41

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... by a guy like Khabib. But you also realize like what, what a world class fighter Barboza is, that he did... keeps throwing wheel kicks in the third round, and even landed one of them. He just didn't have much on him anymore.

   14. JSJimmy Smith15:53

       He didn't have the juice on him left. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       But fuck, man. He was still trying to win after a horrendous mauling for eight plus minutes.

   16. JSJimmy Smith16:00

       You know when I really look at fighters, when I really, when I really focus on them, especially the face, in between rounds, I look for that breaking moment of like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Yeah.

   18. JSJimmy Smith16:08

       ... uh, you know. Uh, Vitor Belfort, Randy Couture and he's sitting on the ground just-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah.

   20. JSJimmy Smith16:13

       ... like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah.

   22. JSJimmy Smith16:13

       ... didn't even sit on a stool.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Yeah.

   24. JSJimmy Smith16:14

       He sat on the ground like beat and I'm like, "This guy's beat." It's, it's when you look at them in between rounds and you see that like, "What am I doing in here?" That's when you know, you know, the men from The Boys mentally speaking. And, you know, in, in Bellator, Patricio Pitbull, I remember when he fought, when he fought, um, Daniel Straus, he's getting beat up for like four rounds and every round he looked like Lemmy at him. There was, there was... and he won in the... uh, right... uh, toward the end of the fourth round with a rear naked choke. He just never quits. And I always look for that breaking moment, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       Yeah.

   26. JSJimmy Smith16:45

       That's when, that's when you really... that's what really separates the guys who are mentally 100% there and those, those who aren't.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       I think Barboza got beaten, but I don't think he got broken.

   28. JSJimmy Smith16:53

       No, I don't think so either.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       If you think about the amount of time during that fight he was actually getting his ass kicked, I... when I said eight... I think I might have said rounds, I meant minutes. I think there was like eight minutes of prolonged top time and beating in that fight.

   30. JSJimmy Smith17:05

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. (coughs) Great chokes.…

   1. JSJimmy Smith30:00

      and crazy and...

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Yeah. (coughs) Great chokes.

   3. JSJimmy Smith30:02

      Flexible and everything, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think his finest performance was against Sakuraba.

   5. JSJimmy Smith30:07

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      That's what I think Mayhem's finest performance was.

   7. JSJimmy Smith30:09

      He was one of-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Just so, like, just technical-

   9. JSJimmy Smith30:11

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       ... and clean and just, uh, went through him. Just chop, chop, bang, bang, smash, choke.

   11. JSJimmy Smith30:16

       I think he was one of those guys, uh, looking back on it, there's certain guys who I'm thinking around Josh Barnett a bit, I think Shaolin a little bit, who-... had they s- h- he didn't settle down in a promotion right in his prime and really-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JSJimmy Smith30:32

       You know what I mean?

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Yeah.

   15. JSJimmy Smith30:32

       'Cause he was in Hawaii, he was bouncing around a little bit. Josh Barnett had spent his prime kinda bouncing around a lot.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Yep.

   17. JSJimmy Smith30:36

       By the time he made his UFC run, he wasn't... It was late in his career 'cause remember he fought GSP, took a long break off and came back and just wasn't the same guy. You know, and you, and you wonder sometimes... I think maybe in his prime, Vitor Shalin might be the best 55-er in the world in his prime, but he was in Shooto. He would move around a lot in Japan and just was off the US radar, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       And that was, uh, y- Cavalcante too, right? The GZ.

   19. JSJimmy Smith30:56

       Jz Cavalcante, mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       That, that was a big issue with him.

   21. JSJimmy Smith30:58

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Like back in the day, people were saying he was the best 155-pounder alive. Like a lot of the guys that trained with him.

   23. JSJimmy Smith31:02

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       They were-

   25. JSJimmy Smith31:02

       By the time he came to the States, it was-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Yeah.

   27. JSJimmy Smith31:04

       It was just a little bit further past it, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Yeah, there's been a few of those cases, right? Like Josh Thompson, who we're talking about.

   29. JSJimmy Smith31:10

       Yep.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       At one point in time was the best lightweight in the world.
4. 45:00 – 59:03

   But his only sustainable…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      and then he might decide to cherry pick specific fights to make tremendous amounts of money. And then there was some talk about a Pacquiao fight in boxing. Who knows what he's gonna do?

   2. JSJimmy Smith45:08

      But his only sustainable avenue is MMA.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Yeah.

   4. JSJimmy Smith45:11

      Meaning, once again, in boxing, let's say he fights Manny Pacquiao. Let's say he loses. For argument's sake, let's say he loses that fight.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Right.

   6. JSJimmy Smith45:17

      People are gonna be tired of spending 70 bucks on a pay-per-view to watch him take on a great guy and fall short.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      But if he fights-

   8. JSJimmy Smith45:23

      It won't last.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      ... Tony Ferguson in a unification fight and KOs Tony Ferguson, then-

   10. JSJimmy Smith45:28

       Then-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       ... he can fight Manny Pacquiao all day long.

   12. JSJimmy Smith45:30

       Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Yeah.

   14. JSJimmy Smith45:31

       It's, it's MMA that sustains him in a sense.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       Don't get mad at me, Tony. It's just a for instance, a possibility.

   16. JSJimmy Smith45:36

       For, for argument's sake, Tony.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Yeah, it's, um, I'm taking the devil's advocate position, Tony.

   18. JSJimmy Smith45:40

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Tony got mad at me wearing the hat.

   20. JSJimmy Smith45:42

       Good.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       He's like, "What are you changing into your 10th planet gear, bro?"

   22. JSJimmy Smith45:44

       What were you wearing?

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Um, I don't know how to say it. Papuca.

   24. JSJimmy Smith45:48

       Oh, that, for, for the-

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Yeah.

   26. JSJimmy Smith45:49

       Oh, come on, it's a gift.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       It's a gift.

   28. JSJimmy Smith45:51

       You have to wear that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       And, and listen, just because he's got a problem with it, I love Tony, but I also love Khabib. Khabib's a bad motherfucker.

   30. JSJimmy Smith45:58

       How-

Episode duration: 2:07:26