JRE MMA Show #82 with Israel Adesanya

1. 0:00 – 1:48

   Adesanya returns as undisputed champ: belts, rubies, and the new design

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two... Ladies and gentlemen, the champ is here.

   2. IAIsrael Adesanya0:04

      My man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Salud.

   4. IAIsrael Adesanya0:05

      Salud.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Last time-

   6. IAIsrael Adesanya0:06

      L'chaim.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      L'chaim.

   8. IAIsrael Adesanya0:07

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Mm. (glasses clink) Last time you were here, you were neither the interim nor the undisputed. Now you got it all.

   10. IAIsrael Adesanya0:14

       I'm the double interim champ.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:15

       You got it. Why, why say dou- you, you keep saying that, "double interim."

   12. IAIsrael Adesanya0:18

       Double interim. I don't know, 'cause when I w-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Robert Whittaker's the champ.

   14. IAIsrael Adesanya0:21

       Yeah. He was.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       You knocked him out.

   16. IAIsrael Adesanya0:23

       He was the champ.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       You're the champ.

   18. IAIsrael Adesanya0:24

       'Cause when I was the, you know, I f- even my last fight, I feel like it's my first title defense, to be honest, 'cause I was waiting for something to change. I was waiting for that feeling that I had in Atlanta, but it never came. And within three days I was like, I felt like I just defended the belt, 'cause technically I was the champ as well. I was the champ, and if he had beat me, he would've got one of those rubies you put on this. So, I'm looking for my ruby as well, 'cause-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       They get a ruby?

   20. IAIsrael Adesanya0:45

       Yeah. Like, that's the thing. You don't get... You know how you used to get a new belt?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   22. IAIsrael Adesanya0:48

       Yeah, you don't get a new belt anymore. So what they do is, they, you send this off. This isn't actually my one, my one.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Wh-

   24. IAIsrael Adesanya0:55

       I've sent it off.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       This isn't yours?

   26. IAIsrael Adesanya0:56

       Yeah, but then, they brought it-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       You sent yours already?

   28. IAIsrael Adesanya0:58

       I, I sent-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Oh, okay.

   30. IAIsrael Adesanya0:58

       You take this plaque off, this plaque on the side, and then you send it off, then they put a ruby and send it back to you, and then you can put it on-
2. 1:48 – 3:06

   Staying hungry after winning: avoiding the post-title trap and managing FOMO

   1. IAIsrael Adesanya1:48

      Man, don't get attached to these things, man. I only ta- I flex with them for a little bit, you know? 'Cause it's, I f- even my, um, my last, after, after Atlanta, my coach, he was kinda worried 'cause I was going to Nigeria, I was going to all these shows. I gotta like, show it off, flex it. But he's my coach, so Eugene's like, "Man, you know, don't think you're the champ yet." But I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm the champ." But then there was a point where we moved gyms, and I just kinda, all right, put it in this box with everything else.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Hmm.

   3. IAIsrael Adesanya2:12

      And then he kinda posted about it, 'cause he saw like, okay, the switch happened, like it's game time now. So same thing, I'm doing my tour right now, victory tour, walk around, do all this shit. But then, even being at the fights last weekend, I got FOMO, 'cause, you know, after the fights, I, uh, you know, I see what's up, people talking about me, rah-ta-rah-ta-rah. So I'm like, "Man, I gotta get back to the gym." So when I get back, I don't even look at this thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      That's interesting. So you're aware that you could get too into the moment.

   5. IAIsrael Adesanya2:38

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      You can get too wrapped up in the fact that you won the title-

   7. IAIsrael Adesanya2:41

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      ... and maybe slack off a little.

   9. IAIsrael Adesanya2:42

      100%.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Or maybe take yourself too seriously.

   11. IAIsrael Adesanya2:45

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Hmm, that's interesting.

   13. IAIsrael Adesanya2:45

       No, 'cause I mean, a lot of people, this is their goal. They're like, "I wanna become the UFC champion." They get it done, and then what happens after in their next fight? They lose it. Or-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Right.

   15. IAIsrael Adesanya2:53

       ... they lose sight, tr- track of what really matters. So some guys, like Colby for example, he's walking around with the belt when Usman whoops his ass, or if Usman whoops his ass, then what's gonna happen? You're gonna walk around with that belt. How you gonna feel, you know?

3. 3:06 – 4:55

   Colby Covington’s ‘heel’ persona—and why he’s legitimately dangerous

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      Well, I, the, the Colby thing is interesting.

   2. IAIsrael Adesanya3:09

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      And I don't know how much Colby wants people talking about this, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna spill it as much as I can.

   4. IAIsrael Adesanya3:13

      Ooh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      That's an act, man.

   6. IAIsrael Adesanya3:15

      I know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      That's a strong act-

   8. IAIsrael Adesanya3:16

      100%.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      ... that he put on when they were ready to cut him. They were ready to cut. You talk to that guy in real life-

   10. IAIsrael Adesanya3:20

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       ... he's very respectful.

   12. IAIsrael Adesanya3:21

       Just being around him, just being, and said he's the nicest guy you've listened to, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       He's a nice guy, man. He's playing a pro wrestling heel-

   14. IAIsrael Adesanya3:27

       Hey, man.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       ... and he's got the whole world worked up.

   16. IAIsrael Adesanya3:29

       It sells, it sells, that's the thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       It sells, and here's the thing though. This is where it's interesting.

   18. IAIsrael Adesanya3:33

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       It tricks people, because he seems (hands clap) like a goof. He's wears-

   20. IAIsrael Adesanya3:37

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       ... this stupid fucking cheap blue suit. He wears that MAGA hat.

   22. IAIsrael Adesanya3:40

       Does that smile.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       He's got the old belt.

   24. IAIsrael Adesanya3:43

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       And you know it's not a legit belt, right?

   26. IAIsrael Adesanya3:44

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       But he did win the interim title-

   28. IAIsrael Adesanya3:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       ... and they took it from him for no reason. It doesn't make any sense. So there's this thing about him where people somehow or another think like, maybe he's illegitimate, maybe he's not real. Then he fucks Robbie Lawler up.

   30. IAIsrael Adesanya3:57

       Yeah. He can work.
4. 4:55 – 6:04

   Rhythm disruption and elite striking: patterns, shifts, and footwork cues

   1. IAIsrael Adesanya4:55

      "All right, all right, here it is, here it is." And there's ways to do that. Like I did it against, um, Whittaker as well. You see it... (burps) Excuse me. (smacks lips) I always gotta burp.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      (laughs)

   3. IAIsrael Adesanya5:04

      Um, (laughs) it's times when he'll like... And I, I'll put a clip up of this. It's like a simple one, shifting, real simple, subtle thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:10

      Mm-hmm.

   5. IAIsrael Adesanya5:10

      You just move two step, one, two. That's it. I can see it when he'll like, bounce, bounce, "All right, I'm ready to go." You shift, you disrupt the pattern. Okay, reset, reset. About, about to attack, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Yeah.

   7. IAIsrael Adesanya5:21

      Even Wonderboy did it to, um, Luque-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      Yes.

   9. IAIsrael Adesanya5:23

      ... past weekend.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       Yeah.

   11. IAIsrael Adesanya5:23

       You know, whenever he was bouncing, he's either, he's gonna bounce, bounce, and then Wonderboy shifts. So he was doing it with the offense, bounce, bounce, bounce, attack.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Yeah.

   13. IAIsrael Adesanya5:31

       So he was just... That's all about rhythm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Yes.

   15. IAIsrael Adesanya5:33

       I love that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       Well, you have something that Wonderboy has, that a few other people have, in, in that you're a specialist. In that being a specialist, and obviously you have a full game. You, there's no way you get to where you are without a full game. But you-

   17. IAIsrael Adesanya5:47

       You're working.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       ... you are an elite striker.

   19. IAIsrael Adesanya5:49

       Thank you.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       And with that, that's a, that's a giant advantage, 'cause on the feet, you are a step ahead of everybody.

   21. IAIsrael Adesanya5:55

       Every fight starts standing on the feet.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       And you see it with Whittaker, because Whittaker's a great striker.

   23. IAIsrael Adesanya5:59

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       He's a tough guy. But he had holes in his game that maybe he didn't even know he had.

   25. IAIsrael Adesanya6:03

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       But you, you could see it.

5. 6:04 – 9:03

   Beating Whittaker twice: mindset reads, cage energy, and the round-by-round plan

   1. IAIsrael Adesanya6:04

      You know what it was? I got in his head, and everyone, like, when... Huh, I can see this kinda stuff, man.Before the press- before the fight, at the press conference when he was talking and acting all unbothered and stuff like that, and I was like, "What? He's acting out of character." People... He put this meme up, right? And then people thought I was affected by the meme, but all th- all that showed me was like, "You've never talked shit or poked fun at anyone you're fighting, but somehow, suddenly, you're poking fun at me. That's showing your first card. You're showing your first hand."

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      Mm-hmm.

   3. IAIsrael Adesanya6:31

      And a lot of things he's did throughout the, like, back- backtracking and whatnot, I was like, "You're showing me your hand. You're acting out of character."

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:37

      Yes.

   5. IAIsrael Adesanya6:37

      Even my coach said the same thing. And I said, "Just do what got you to the dance. Don't try and talk shit with a guy who knows how to talk shit." I know he knows how to talk shit with his friends and shit like that, but not with me, the internet kid.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:48

      (laughs)

   7. IAIsrael Adesanya6:48

      It's different. Don't make memes against me. I'm the Meme Majesty. But like, yeah, so I... And then when he ca- when he came to the cage, you know, so you saw me when I walked up, I stomped the yard, stomped the yard and I, I entered the cage. And when he came in, I could, I could feel it. He was like, "Let's fucking go," you know, beating his chest-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      Mm-hmm.

   9. IAIsrael Adesanya7:04

      ... at the thing he did. And he took about a minute and a bit before he looked me in the eyes, and I was li- I was looking at him the whole time. And he... Like a cat, you corner... Even a chicken, get one of your chickens, corner it like a rooster. It's dangerous. You gotta... When you corner any kinda beast, they'll, they'll attack you at any point. So I could see him pacing back and forth like a caged animal, and the whole time, like he was the hunt- he was the hunted and I was the per- I was, I was the hunter. So I was watching him and I could feel it, like, "Yo, you're not really about this," and he's trying to hype himself up, "Let's fucking go."

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Hmm.

   11. IAIsrael Adesanya7:35

       And I could just smell that. And when I went in my stance, I was like, whoop, whoop. Like, this is something I was doing during sparring, like during my, my training camp. So I was just triggering this, this mem- like muscle memory in my head. And I was just having fun. There's this point I looked at him, I kinda smiled like, "Fuck yeah, I got this." And I just knew from that point, man, I was on his... And the first round, I thought I lost the first round without the knockdown, just like... I let him have it, but then I watched it back, I threw less strikes, I landed more. He threw more strikes and landed less. All I was doing was just l- and w- me and Eugene talked about this like, "Let the first round, or the first half of the fight, let's see what he does. Just get all his attacks, draw, sh- make him show his hand, make him draw, you know, sh- draw, draw the attacks out of him." And I did that. And after I watched it again, I was like, "Yeah, without the knockdown I still had the round."

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       It was a brilliant performance.

   13. IAIsrael Adesanya8:23

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       And the, the knockdown at the end of the first round was essentially the end of the fight.

   15. IAIsrael Adesanya8:27

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       He was fucked up.

   17. IAIsrael Adesanya8:28

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       It was, that was a bad knockdown. You could see when he went back to his corner, there's, there's a moment where you see his eyes are just not quite there.

   19. IAIsrael Adesanya8:36

       What is this? Where am I?

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       Yeah.

   21. IAIsrael Adesanya8:36

       Like after the... even before the second round, he stood up. And when Kelvin rocked me after I got rocked, my first time being rocked in the UFC, in the second round I was j- before the second round, I was like, "All right, le- let's go. Let's step it up." He was looking at the screen, Robert was looking at the screen like, "What hit me? What hit me?"

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Yeah.

   23. IAIsrael Adesanya8:53

       And I was like, "Hey, hey, that's in the past. That's done. Focus on me right now anyway."

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       (laughs)

   25. IAIsrael Adesanya9:00

       I was like, "All right then, (laughs) let's go."

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Yeah.

   27. IAIsrael Adesanya9:02

       Yeah.

6. 9:03 – 13:55

   Atlanta vs. Melbourne: the Gastelum war and ‘I’m prepared to die’

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:03

      Um, when it was over-

   2. IAIsrael Adesanya9:05

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      ... when they stopped the fight, you raised your hand. Uh, what's that feeling like knowing that you're the undisputed champ?

   4. IAIsrael Adesanya9:10

      It felt like just my title defense, honestly.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:13

      Really?

   6. IAIsrael Adesanya9:13

      Atlanta, Atlanta was the one where they put my hand up and I felt like, "Yes."

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      Why, why Atlanta? Why that?

   8. IAIsrael Adesanya9:18

      That fight-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      Because the fight was so hard?

   10. IAIsrael Adesanya9:20

       Yeah, I think 'cause of the way the fight went, the back and forth. And then me, that, that fifth round, like I, I found out who I was after that, th- that, that fifth round. I, I found out the depths I'm willing to go. So when they put my hand up, and you know, you're beat up and all that kinda stuff, just... And also I never had a belt before, so I've, I've never had it wrapped around my waist as I visualized it. So once that happened, boom, I felt like, "Yes." And also I was looking, I was like, "Please judges, don't screw me over. Don't fuck me over on this, man."

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       Ooh.

   12. IAIsrael Adesanya9:46

       And I knew I had it, but, you know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       You never know with those assholes.

   14. IAIsrael Adesanya9:49

       Exactly, bro. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       Dude.

   16. IAIsrael Adesanya9:51

       And then look at the Darren Till Gassman fight.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       Yeah, right.

   18. IAIsrael Adesanya9:53

       So when they put my hand up, I was like, "Yes." But then this time they put my hand up, I was like, "All right, what's next?" And the thing is I... my, my brain wants to move forward 'cause I did it in kickboxing 'cause I was undefeated for so long, so it was always like, "All right, cool, what's next?" I'll watch the fight maybe once, study it, "All right, what's next?" But now I have to like chill, relax, look at the tape, look at what you've done, and then soak it in. Smell the roses for a little bit and then move on.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Yeah.

   20. IAIsrael Adesanya10:19

       'Cause once I had my first loss, I, I took winning for granted 'cause it was just a habit. I was always winning, always winning, always winning. So now after like, when you win, when you do something amazing like I did in Atlanta, like I did in Melbourne, just chill, smell the roses, and then move forward.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       When you entered the fifth round against-

   22. IAIsrael Adesanya10:38

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       ... Kelvin, you said, "I'm ready to die."

   24. IAIsrael Adesanya10:41

       Yeah, well, as I looked at him, and I remember, I call it Ɛsé Diáblo. He was looking at me and he just had this, like, look and he's just swinging his hands. And I said, "You're not gonna beat me. I'm prepared to die." And I meant that, man. I swear to God on my life I meant that. I'm even getting goosebumps thinking... See that?

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       I'm getting goosebumps too.

   26. IAIsrael Adesanya10:57

       (laughs) Like, I meant that shit 'cause I was like, "Look."

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       Whoo.

   28. IAIsrael Adesanya10:59

       And I signed, I signed my death warrant right there. I was like, "Look, if this is how I die, this is how I die." But you see me, I was trying to get him. I was trying to kill him. I knew, 'cause for me, if I'm ready to die, I'm ready to kill. You have to be willing to give something up as well. So in that fifth round when I was throwing those shots, when I was... I, I think I dropped him like four times or something crazy. Like, even the last one, like went from heaven, it hit him. I wished I didn't, like, follow and like roll over on him 'cause I probably could have got him out with like two seconds left. But I was trying to get him out of there, man. And it's sad to say, but I was ready. If he had taken it to me and he... if he had done that to me and I didn't wake up, so be it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       Well, that was evident in the way you fought because you did-

   30. IAIsrael Adesanya11:43

       Mm-hmm.
7. 13:55 – 19:44

   Next opponent talk: Romero, Costa, judging controversies, and Romero’s durability

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:55

      You wanted Romero for your next fight.

   2. IAIsrael Adesanya13:57

      Is... There's resistance about that?

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      I'm a charitable guy sometimes, man. I'm a charitable guy.

   4. IAIsrael Adesanya14:00

      Charitable? (laughs) You know what I mean? He's coming off three out of four losses, three in a row, so I'm like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      Yeah, but all of those could've been his.

   6. IAIsrael Adesanya14:05

      Yeah, I know. But... And also-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      Really.

   8. IAIsrael Adesanya14:07

      ... the people, the people, the casuals, they think this is the guy. Well, first of all, I think Brunson was the guy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:12

      Mm-hmm.

   10. IAIsrael Adesanya14:13

       And then Gaslim was the guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Yeah.

   12. IAIsrael Adesanya14:15

       And then Whittaker's the guy. So, they think this is the guy to beat me. So I'm like, "All right, (clicks tongue) this is my charity work for the year." (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:22

       Well, he's an interesting fight for anybody.

   14. IAIsrael Adesanya14:24

       Yeah, 100%.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Because he's a freak athlete.

   16. IAIsrael Adesanya14:26

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       I mean, that, that... If you look up freak in the dictionary-

   18. IAIsrael Adesanya14:28

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       ... you see a picture of Yoel Romero flying through the air, hitting Chri- Chris Weidman with a knee.

   20. IAIsrael Adesanya14:32

       (laughs) Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       I mean, he's just a freak.

   22. IAIsrael Adesanya14:34

       I remember his first fight I saw him, he did the same thing to this Black guy, bald Black guy. Flying knee, boom, and just kinda starched him. Just ran at him.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       Mm-hmm.

   24. IAIsrael Adesanya14:41

       But, there's... It's lev- This is what, this is what rises me to the occasion.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:45

       Mm-hmm.

   26. IAIsrael Adesanya14:45

       This is what challenges me is 'cause a guy like that, like you say, he's a beast. Same thing with Robert, he's a beast.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:51

       Yep.

   28. IAIsrael Adesanya14:51

       But there's levels to this, and if you can make that look easy, it just makes you look that, like your status, legendary, go- all that shit.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       That's what you want?

   30. IAIsrael Adesanya15:00

       It just starts to come. Yeah, all the-
8. 19:44 – 30:39

   From fight talk to travel and culture: America’s portion sizes, New Zealand pride, and wildlife

   1. IAIsrael Adesanya19:44

      That's just 'cause America, man. America, you gotta realize, man-

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:46

      The food?

   3. IAIsrael Adesanya19:46

      The food. Oh, my God, like I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:48

      (laughs)

   5. IAIsrael Adesanya19:48

      I forget every time, you gotta order small 'cause you order naturals, like, large, they coming in a platter. Like, don't fuck around.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:54

      Yeah, people like to get fat-

   7. IAIsrael Adesanya19:55

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:55

      ... over here.

   9. IAIsrael Adesanya19:56

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       We like everything big.

   11. IAIsrael Adesanya19:57

       Luckily, uh, metabolism for me is good.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       You're lucky.

   13. IAIsrael Adesanya19:59

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       Yeah. We like everything big over here.

   15. IAIsrael Adesanya20:01

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Everything outrageous.

   17. IAIsrael Adesanya20:02

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Yeah. This is an outri-

   19. IAIsrael Adesanya20:04

       I've noticed.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       ... outrageous country. (laughs)

   21. IAIsrael Adesanya20:07

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:08

       We use-

   23. IAIsrael Adesanya20:08

       Exhibit A. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       (laughs) Yeah. Exhibit A, the blowtorch.

   25. IAIsrael Adesanya20:10

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       But you were saying even drinks-

   27. IAIsrael Adesanya20:12

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       ... they, they pour bigger drinks over here.

   29. IAIsrael Adesanya20:13

       Yeah. Like, I'm surprised. Like, it's... I think it's part of the culture as well. Like, you order-

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Yeah.
9. 30:39 – 34:21

   BMF belt and Masvidal’s resurgence: branding, mentality shifts, and performance

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      Yeah. It's, uh... What'd you think about the BMF belt?

   2. IAIsrael Adesanya30:42

      Mm...

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      Yeah, it's a tr- touchy subject, right?

   4. IAIsrael Adesanya30:45

      Mm... I felt like, I feel, uh, well, I like the idea, you know, the fact-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Right.

   6. IAIsrael Adesanya30:48

      ... that Nate Diaz... You know, he ain't no West Coast gangster, you know, and then, hey, you know, I'm from Miami, you know, whatever. They should've kept that between them. The company didn't have to get involved. He, they didn't have to get involved to, like, try and solidify this. But what it was, was they needed a, a title for the MSG card-

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:04

      Yes.

   8. IAIsrael Adesanya31:04

      ... 'cause Colby and Usman and whatnot-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      Yes.

   10. IAIsrael Adesanya31:06

       ... shit happened. But look at this, Miesha Tate versus Holly Holm was the co-main event as a title fight-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Mm-hmm.

   12. IAIsrael Adesanya31:12

       ... for Diaz, uh, McGregor won.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Right.

   14. IAIsrael Adesanya31:15

       So you don't... That fight itself would've been fine without the belt, without The Rock-

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       I agree.

   16. IAIsrael Adesanya31:19

       ... without all that kinda stuff. But it happened, and yeah, it's cool. What's gonna happen now? Is he gonna defend it? 'Cause even the ego in me is like, "Tsk, uh-uh." (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       (laughs)

   18. IAIsrael Adesanya31:31

       What you doing? What you doing, Masvidal?

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Yeah.

   20. IAIsrael Adesanya31:33

       But, like, I mean, there's no point 'cause is, are they gonna defend the belt? Are they gonna...

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       I don't know.

   22. IAIsrael Adesanya31:37

       Yeah, so...

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       But I feel like Masvidal's championship caliber.

   24. IAIsrael Adesanya31:39

       I might put some fucking spinners on this now-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       (laughs)

   26. IAIsrael Adesanya31:41

       ... and then do like John Cena and call this the Freestyle Belt, you know. Like, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       I, I, you know, I, I see what you're saying but-

   28. IAIsrael Adesanya31:48

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       ... I feel like Masvidal's world championship caliber.

   30. IAIsrael Adesanya31:51

       Fuck yeah, 100%.
10. 34:21 – 36:49

    Technical striking corner: body kicks, elbow blocks, and Darren Till’s style at 185

    1. IAIsrael Adesanya34:21

       And the thing I, I hate as well in sparring is when you kick the elbow. You ever tried that?

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:24

       Mm-hmm.

    3. IAIsrael Adesanya34:24

       It sucks.

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       Yeah, I broke my foot doing that.

    5. IAIsrael Adesanya34:26

       Oh, really?

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       Everybody has.

    7. IAIsrael Adesanya34:27

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Yeah.

    9. IAIsrael Adesanya34:27

       I fucked my foot and I cracked it doing that as well, but-

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:29

        Yeah, the tip of the elbow's so hard-

    11. IAIsrael Adesanya34:31

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:31

        ... and the bo- top of your foot is so soft.

    13. IAIsrael Adesanya34:33

        Takes a real skill. Like, Darren Till-

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:34

        Yeah.

    15. IAIsrael Adesanya34:34

        ... has it as well where they can sneak it underneath.

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:36

        Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    17. IAIsrael Adesanya34:36

        It's a w- it's, it's a, it's a different angle. Eugene taught me how to do it, so yeah, I love it. I love, uh... It's one of my moves. I hit, um, Tavares with it as well before I swept him.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        Mm-hmm.

    19. IAIsrael Adesanya34:45

        Yeah, you, you have to learn how to sweep, like, just right underneath. You don't go this way-

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:48

        You got your eye on Till? Now is Till now is at 185 pounds?

    21. IAIsrael Adesanya34:50

        Yeah, oh, we, we've, uh, you know, like, my man.

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:52

        Interesting guy.

    23. IAIsrael Adesanya34:53

        I, I, I saw him last year buf- on the press conference leading up to the Brunson fight, and I even said, "Look, I can't wait till we do it, man. I know one day we'll clash." And it's just 'cause of the styles.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:01

        Yes.

    25. IAIsrael Adesanya35:01

        Like, styles make fights.

    26. JRJoe Rogan35:03

        Yeah.

    27. IAIsrael Adesanya35:03

        You know? And he's got a style that I like, very basic. But when I say basic, I don't mean that with due respect, with disrespect.

    28. JRJoe Rogan35:10

        Negative, right.

    29. IAIsrael Adesanya35:10

        I say he's got a strong basics. He's a stout, he's a southpaw, and he has a nice straight left, nice body kick.

    30. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        Mm-hmm.
11. 36:49 – 43:10

    Anderson Silva fight: the ‘game’ of feints, timing, and iconic moments over belts

    1. IAIsrael Adesanya36:49

       No one knew. That's the thing, no one knew who he was until-

    2. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       Yeah.

    3. IAIsrael Adesanya36:51

       ... that happened.

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       But I watched all those Cage Warriors fight.

    5. IAIsrael Adesanya36:54

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:54

       When he was standing in front of Jorge Rivera-

    7. IAIsrael Adesanya36:56

       Woo!

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       ... and letting him punch him in the face.

    9. IAIsrael Adesanya36:57

       He just rolling with it, man.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:58

        Just rolling with it.

    11. IAIsrael Adesanya36:58

        Just rolling. He did it to me as well.

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:00

        Standing in front of him.

    13. IAIsrael Adesanya37:00

        People don't understand this.

    14. JRJoe Rogan37:01

        Hmm.

    15. IAIsrael Adesanya37:01

        Like, they said, ah, fucking casuals. They said-

    16. JRJoe Rogan37:04

        Casuals. (laughs)

    17. IAIsrael Adesanya37:05

        (laughs) I like using... And a lot of experts as well have casual brains 'cause they're like, you know-

    18. JRJoe Rogan37:09

        Yes.

    19. IAIsrael Adesanya37:09

        ... Israel has no knockout power 'cause he hit Henderson Silva in the face clean. I'm like, you don't understand this. Anderson is playing a game where, me and him are playing this game. So, when I hit him, I didn't hit him clean. I'm not trying to hit him where he is, I'm trying to hit him where he's gonna be.

    20. JRJoe Rogan37:26

        Hmm.

    21. IAIsrael Adesanya37:26

        But then, he knows that as well. So, he'd anticipate that and then pause. The distance is just right, so it just nicks him.

    22. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        Hmm.

    23. IAIsrael Adesanya37:34

        There was a time I kicked him in the face, and I slowed it down on my Instagram, just went, and just, like, my toe. Literally, you see my toes, they're ugly as fuck.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:41

        (laughs)

    25. IAIsrael Adesanya37:41

        Like, it just nicked the top lip. And I went, "He was close." 'Cause I felt it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:46

        Yeah.

    27. IAIsrael Adesanya37:46

        I felt my toe nick it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:47

        Hmm.

    29. IAIsrael Adesanya37:47

        And he goes... And we're playing this game, but like literally, I was trying to hit him where he's gonna be. But then he'd pause and then the punch would just doosh, doosh. So, it looked cool-

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:56

        Yeah.
12. 43:10 – 54:37

    Anime parallels and embracing ‘nerd’ identity—plus a serious note on youth mental health

    1. IAIsrael Adesanya43:10

       It's so beautiful, man. And I... This is Rock Lee. Even something like... There's some, there's some synchronicities that happen. So this is from this anime. The first fight I watched in this... Can you Google this? Pull it up, Jamie. (laughs) Um, what is it? Uh, Rock Lee versus Gaara, G-A-A-R-A. This is episode 46 of Naruto, and it was the first fight I ever watched that got me into the series. And this-

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       What is this anime series, Naruto? I've only seen it online.

    3. IAIsrael Adesanya43:33

       It's pretty much... It takes too long. It's a 720 episode fucking s- yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       720 episodes?

    5. IAIsrael Adesanya43:38

       20. Yeah. So he's-

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:39

       Here it is right here.

    7. IAIsrael Adesanya43:39

       So this bit right here, he takes the, the weight off. He takes the weight off. Or you can watch the highlights. And then literally, there's some heavy ass weights, but he fucks up Gaara. But I did the stance Rock Lee normally does. I did the stance that he normally does in the weigh-ins, and Anderson stood there like Gaara. But he probably doesn't even know what that is, but he just stood there like this. And shit like that, it's a taijutsu fight. It's just like when life imitates art without even trying.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:04

       Oh.

    9. IAIsrael Adesanya44:04

       You know what I mean?

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:05

        Yeah.

    11. IAIsrael Adesanya44:05

        And I, I edited it. I got some guys, you know, shout out to CutCraft and BlackBrynFX. They edited it for me to make it look the same as this, but literally-

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        Oh.

    13. IAIsrael Adesanya44:13

        Yeah, shit like this jazzes me up, man. I'm geeking out right now.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:16

        Mm-hmm.

    15. IAIsrael Adesanya44:16

        Fucking nerd.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:17

        (laughs)

    17. IAIsrael Adesanya44:18

        Shout out to Jon Jones.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        Are y- Sorry. (laughs) Did he call you a nerd?

    19. IAIsrael Adesanya44:22

        Yeah, I know. Oh, m- my feelings. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:26

        (laughs) Nerd is not negative, man.

    21. IAIsrael Adesanya44:27

        Of course. I'ma, I'll take it.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:28

        Yeah.

    23. IAIsrael Adesanya44:29

        I'm a fucking nerd. I got nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        (laughs)

    25. IAIsrael Adesanya44:32

        All that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        There's nothing wrong with being a nerd, man.

    27. IAIsrael Adesanya44:34

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:35

        I mean, nerds run the world.

    29. IAIsrael Adesanya44:36

        Fuck yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:36

        Yeah.
13. 54:37 – 1:00:53

    Fame, depression after wins, and therapy as a performance tool

    1. IAIsrael Adesanya54:37

       Nah. People don't understand, man. Like even my boy, Chance, he's with me right now, you know. Like, for me, I like to... 'Cause I'm on this-... journey now. I like to take those that came up with me, I bring them on this journey. Like, when, I went to Dubai, I brought my brother w- with me so I can inspire him. I went to Nigeria, I brought AB with me, you know, 'cause he's Nigerian. I told him after this trip, like, "Be careful, 'cause you're gonna..." You know holiday blues? You know, like, when you come back from a holiday and you feel like, oh, and y- everyone, all these Instagram hoes post, "Take me back." You know? With their-

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:03

       Mm-hmm.

    3. IAIsrael Adesanya55:03

       ... bikini shots and whatnot. I told him, like, "When you get back home, you're gonna feel it." And I know, 'cause I've experienced it as well. After my UFC debut, I literally... My afterparty was three hours of just, "Hi, nice to meet you. Hi." Like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:16

       I love-

    5. IAIsrael Adesanya55:16

       At one point, I literally went to go hide somewhere and some guy found me, he's like, "Bro, you all right? What are you doing?" I'm like, "I'm good, I'm good. I'm just chilling. I'm just taking five minutes alone." He's like, "Oh, yeah." He's like, "No, yeah, me understand, eh," and just sat next to me. I'm just like, "Fuck." He didn't get it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:29

       (laughs) Alone means you not being here, motherfucker.

    7. IAIsrael Adesanya55:32

       Yeah, exactly. And then after, I go home, like, you know, got a bonus, got a nice check from the UFC, and then got depressed. And I'm just like, "What the fuck?"

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:42

       For real?

    9. IAIsrael Adesanya55:42

       Yeah. Like, I'm home alone with my own thoughts and I was like, "What the fuck? Why am..." I didn't get that, I didn't understand it. So I, even just 'cause of everything that was happening, I started seeing a therapist straight away, just 'cause I felt like no one teaches you how to be famous.

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        Yes.

    11. IAIsrael Adesanya55:53

        There's no fucking book about this. And I've seen a lot of people, uh, athletes, movies, singers, rappers-

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:57

        Yes.

    13. IAIsrael Adesanya55:57

        ... rise and fall.

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        Yes.

    15. IAIsrael Adesanya55:59

        And I'm not gonna be one of those people.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:00

        Good for you.

    17. IAIsrael Adesanya56:01

        John Jones. But, um...

    18. JRJoe Rogan56:02

        (laughs)

    19. IAIsrael Adesanya56:03

        (laughs) But then I went to a therapist from Octo- from February to October, just to kinda, like, learn some tools to help me with this. And then, so after my first fight had happened, my second fight had happened, my third fight, Brad Tavares fight, main event, fucking all the stimulus. It's like coffee, you drink coffee and then you get all the stimulus, you're hyped, and then you come off it and crash.

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