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150 min read · 30,002 words- 0:10 – 1:15
Studio table chaos, mushroom hat, and Dan Aykroyd vodka
- JRJoe Rogan
(sipping) There's a lot of shit on this table.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah. This, this table's ridiculous. I'm a mess and m- this table's reflecting of the busyness of my life right now. I need to take some time and clean this fucking table. But the thing is, man, people keep bringing me shit, like Paul Stamet-
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's all cool shit.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Paul, I love you buddy, but you gave me a mushroom hat. This hat is made out of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Please put that on. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes, I'll put this on. (laughs) Wait, I don't know which ... Is this the way to wear it?
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Like this way?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I think so. (laughs) Let me ...
- NANarrator
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) That's fucking great.
- BSBrendan Schaub
So people keep giving me cool shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. You also g-
- BSBrendan Schaub
They also gave me this mushroom. It's a dried mushroom. People give me all this cool shit and so I go, "Oh thank you." And then I don't know where to put it.
- JRJoe Rogan
You set it down.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I got, uh, Dan Aykroyd's vodka in the corner there, a cool skull vodka thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Got it. I've never seen-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... someone push vodka so hard on a podcast. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
Bro, he goes hard in the paint with his vodka sales.
- JRJoe Rogan
Great promotion. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
It's very smooth and it's Dan Aykroyd, so you're like, "I'll buy it just to l- I wanna hear you talk."
- JRJoe Rogan
The Blues Brother? I'm in, dude.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Dude, come on, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
I bought it. I bought it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He was ... He was a cone head. I mean, he's, he's one of the original Saturday Night Live slayers, like, the real OG.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
One of The Blues Brothers!
- JRJoe Rogan
Blues Brother.
- 1:15 – 6:28
The ‘intervention’ conversation: retiring from fighting, CTE fears, and identity loss
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah. Hey man, we started this podcast off talking, like, off the record and I, I thought it was probably good for everybody here, like, when ... I'm so happy you're not fighting, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
And what d- what we were saying was that I know that I was a dick to you to get you to stop doing it, but I felt sc- I felt like home- there was almost no other way that you were gonna let ... I felt like (sighs) I felt scared. I've seen too many people that are just ... There's this, there's a moment (snaps fingers) where it changes, where they stop being that person, and they keep fighting, and you see it. You see the deterioration and no one steps in and no one stops them, and then I talk ... You'll talk to them alone, man. Maybe you run into them in Vegas. Maybe you both have a couple of drinks and you see each other at the bar and you're like, "Hey, how's things?" And you have these conversations and then the reality sets in. Things are not good for a lot of these guys. A lot of these guys that have taken punishment for too long, there's no bringing them back, man. They get to this spot where you know, everyone knows there's something wrong and no one says anything to them. And I was real scared that that was gonna happen to you. I was real scared, you know? Like I didn't anticipate ... When we did that crazy podcast that wound up being, you know, this, like, intervention, I didn't even know I was gonna do it. But while it was happening I was like, "I ... This ... You gotta stop." That's all I was thinking is, "You gotta get ou-" I was ... 'Cause, but, we were a little high. You were ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
We were, we're ... But we're ... I found, I don't even remember if we were drinking but we probably were. But I remember that, being so sensitive to it, like, "This ... There's something has to be done, like now." You gotta, you, you had so many other possibilities that there's, if ... Like, most guys that are all in on fighting, they don't have anything on the side. Like there's almost nothing else there.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BSBrendan Schaub
There's almost just fighting and maybe a family, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But you were, you were starting to flourish. You were hilarious on podcast. What ... You know, that can go away.
- JRJoe Rogan
Me and guys become shells and, man, I ... (clears throat) I-
- BSBrendan Schaub
You see it, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, oh, dude.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Now that you're out, you, you see it, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs) Yeah, thank, thank God or whoever's up there, man, for you and Brian Callan. Thank fucking God, man.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I know it came out dicky. I know it did and I, um, I know, I know I apologized then and I apologize now. I was just scared, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I think that's the only way you could do it, you know, like, that's ... Nope.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I knew you weren't gonna listen. I knew you, you had this pride, like you were ... You were, look, we were talking about before the show, you were a top 10 professional heavyweight in the biggest organization in the world. That's a, that's a identity thing too, man. That, like, you, you ... People get strapped into that identity. That's one of the harder things about fighters is when you quit, you, you have to find meaning in your life. Like, what did, what are you good at now? Because, dude, for me, I know I, I never did anything professionally but it was the formative stages of my life where the only thing that gave me any feelings of good was martial arts. It was the-
- JRJoe Rogan
You didn't feel like a loser?
- BSBrendan Schaub
The only thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
The only thing. Everything else, I felt, even the st- I was kinda good at drawing but even then I was like, I, my drawing teacher didn't like me, I had friends that I was, uh, close with in the class, we all drew and we liked our stuff, but, man, I felt like a fucking loser except for martial arts. So when I quit and then I'm just doing comedy and I suck at comedy, I was eating shit (slaps table) and I was like, "What am I quitting for? Like, I'm qui- I'm quitting something that I was good at to be something that I suck at that I maybe think I have this pipe dream that I could eventually make a living out of?" I remember that feeling of not having an identity and obviously when you're 21 no one has an identity anyway, you're always so-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... you're so fucking confused.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're in your head, you're trying to figure it out.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I was super fortunate where I was surrounded by guys like you, Callan, Burt, Tom, and it's just like, where the ... I wanted to be in that party. I was, I was so fortunate, I could ... The stars aligned for me where I was at this party over here and guys were getting CT and, you know, you're fighting and it's fucking grind and then you guys were over here. I'm like, "Well I wanna be one of them. I'm, I'm good, man. I'm good, I wanna do that."
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I think it took that bridging that gap, you ... And to be honest I, I think that would, that's the only way that you could've done it because, uh, the, the ego that I had at the time, especially fighting, man, getting to that level, it was like, that ego's insane. The narcissist and the, the, the dream of, "Oh, I can beat Cain or Stipe, these guys." And I (clears throat) I think the only way that I could've bridged that gap is by you going so hard in the paint, you know?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Dude, I was so scared about Ngannou. I was so scared they were gonna fight you with Ngannou or someone (claps hands) like that. You know what I mean? (sighs) I was so scared you were gonna get murked by some, some ... When you weren't all in anymore, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- 6:28 – 8:29
How elite technique beats athleticism: striking chaos in MMA and the truly technical killers
- BSBrendan Schaub
man, that, one of the things that makes that Francis-KO so fucking crazy. Insane. I mean, this, he did the same thing to Junior dos Santos, remember? Overeem did it. Yep. He hit him with a beautiful left hook s- very similar punch. Super worried about that with you, man. But, but I also, I also think too, for me, it was like this quick, uh, ascension into, into this UFC, and I'm, and I'm fighting these top 10, top 15 guys, I'm in this, I'm in this world, but it's like it, I was almost like a cheat code because I was really athletic. I was really, really athletic with my background, so I, I got, I passed a lot of guys fast with my athleticism. But then you get to a certain point where you're fighting these vets, where they've f- they've fought big powerful athletic guys before. Yeah. But then it comes down to experience and technique, and that's always, always gonna win. Nine times out of 10, that's always gonna win. The thing is about striking too, is like striking when you mix in with wrestling, you can kind of get away with a lot more. A lot more crazy shit happens. People knock people out that maybe wouldn't knock people out normally. You know, like, f- Kevin Randleman was an amazing example of that. He knocked out Mirko Cro Cop with a left hook, remember that? Yep, yep. Now, if they were in a straight kickboxing match, it's definitely possible that Kevin could do that. Kevin was an incredible athlete. But you would favor, heavily, that Mirko would be able to stuff that. All day. All day, most likely, because he was so elite in that realm. But you add striking to MMA and, you know, there's like, there's so much craziness going on that sometimes it's hard for people to clearly establish, like, who's actually better on their feet until someone can stop the craziness. You know, there's a blurred lines. Yeah, and then you get to this level, there's this level where you get, like, a Masvidal. He's a perfect example 'cause he's so goddamn good. He's so smart and he's so technical, and he finds these openings that maybe other people don't see or maybe they can't get to where those openings are, and he finds those. So you think you're doing good, you think you're doing good, but he's waiting. He's waiting for the moment where he sees this spot that he's been looking
- 8:29 – 14:39
Jon Jones in cruise control: motivation, legacy, and the USADA/picogram era
- BSBrendan Schaub
at and boom- Yep. ... he cracks Darren Till with that step-in left hook and puts him out. Vomitable. You put a fucking animal like Darren Till- Agreed. ... out cold, come on, man. I, I, I think Jon's one of those guys too. Yes. Like, we kind of, because of his last few opponents, everyone's like, "God, maybe he's old or he's lost a step." Not me. No. I watch and I go, "Oh, he's playing with his food." Yeah. He's playing with his food and it's not, I'm not disrespecting those guys who he's fought or Dominick Reyes, who he's gonna fight. But for Jon, you look at his legacy and the legends that he's fought, it's tough for him to get up for the challenge. Yeah. So he's playing with his food right now. Wait- Well- Wait till he fights, I'm telling you, wait till he goes to heavyweight, you're gonna see the old Jon. When he, when, when there's actual, where he thinks it's a challenge. Yes. Wait till you see him fight a Stipe or Francis. You're gonna see the, the monster come out. Right now, he's just picking with his food, "Yeah, I'll do that. All right. Yeah, let's do it." I think he's- I think he's in cruise control. I think you're entirely correct, and I think when you are at that elite a level, when you've never been defeated, you have one loss, it's a bullshit loss, everybody knows it's a bullshit loss, he j- really should get his record cleaned. That should be something the U- I mean, they cleared him with this whole picogram shit. They found out that this is, we just have this new ability to measure substances in the most minuscule amounts that it's so ridiculous that just some random sort of, uh, vitamin that has some contaminant one, one millionth of a fucking gram or whatever the hell it is- Water or a dick pill or protein, whatever the fuck you're eating. All kinds of shit tests positive that's not a drug, it's not like someone's cheating. It's just... So they cleared him on that, right? USADA makes this whole statement about the, the new way they're viewing this stuff because the fact their equipment's just amazing. You can't hide from them anymore, man. Shout out to USADA though. Yes, shout out. I l- I like that USADA went, "Yeah, it's so good- It's ridiculous. ... you guys are flagging." Yes. "We're gonna back off." Yep, and they did the same- I like that they learned from it. I love it. I love that they did the same with marijuana. They realized, like, we, we're not dealing with an, a performance enhancer. As long as these guys aren't fighting high- Yeah. ... this is just like he- helping them sleep and relax. It's not hurting, it's not helping anybody in terms of, it's like, it's not making them stronger or faster. (laughs) So the, and it might help them with anxiety and a lot of other things, so they, they released that, right? They're doing good things. But with Jon, it's cleared that he, he wasn't taking anything. Yes. This is just some, some shit that's a residual, uh, like, a residue that's on something else, some contaminated supplement. Same thing what happened with Tim Means. Tim Means got busted the same way. They, I mean, they dragged it out with him for months- It was a lot of guys. Yeah. ... when he was at his peak, really. I know, man. When he was peaking in the UFC and he was- It's fucked now. ... one, one of the most interesting welterweights. All of the sudden, boom, he gets a suspension from t- tainted supplements. You look at the guy, he's not a fucking steroid user. Dude, how about Tom Lawler? Yes, yes. Law- kind of lost his career. Josh Barnett. I know, same thing. And, uh, people are upset, but if you're USADA, you're like, "We don't know what to tell you, dude." Yes. Like, "We're trying to move forward and get better." Right. It sucks for those guys and I, I feel so terrible for those guys. But if you're USADA, you're like, "Our bad, we learn though, man. There's nothing you can do." The, the thing is USADA has a long career, you know? When you got a guy like Tim Means or a guy like Josh Barnett, there's a window. Well, Josh has had an extremely long window, obviously, youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion. The longest, yeah. Um, but that extremely long window, I mean, it's gonna come to a close, and they took away a, a large chunk of it- I know, it's a shame. ... for something that turned out to not be accurate. But-... they're gonna last a long time. With these guys, like, uh, they say that, like, at their peak, the best fighters have nine years at their peak.
- JRJoe Rogan
God, that's a long time.
- BSBrendan Schaub
It's a long time. The only guys who really hit that nine-year stride at peak form, I think is, like, Anderson, Fedor. There's, like, a few, like, real legends. GSP, obviously. GSP-
- JRJoe Rogan
GSP. Jon.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Jon, obviously. Right? Jon is, uh, undefeated right now. I mean, h- they took his title away, wins it back, right? He's never, never lost a title fight and you're dealing with... The guy wins the title, youngest ever in the sport, flying knee opener on Shogun. Had a... Just nothing but success since then. People are, like, inspecting him with a microscope, ex- expecting him to fall off. Like, you're dealing with the GOAT, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's hilarious.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's the GOAT.
- JRJoe Rogan
And e- even after the Santos fight, I'm like, "Oh, and Santos had one leg?" So I went back and watched Jon Jones fight and you watch, you're like, "Oh, he's in... He couldn't give two fucks about being in there right now."
- BSBrendan Schaub
Well, he was smart too, because that guy-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's smart and he's calculated.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... was dangerous.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's dangerous, but at the same time, he coulda took him down.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
His coach is like, "Dude."
- BSBrendan Schaub
True.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm talking to his manager, like, "We were like, 'Dude, take him down.' He's like, 'Nah, I'm- I'm just gonna stay in this.'"
- BSBrendan Schaub
Right. Right. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he won. It's hard for him to, to... 'Cause you look at the resume of guys he's beat and then they're like... Again, it's not a knock on Dominic Grace, it's not a knock on Corey Anderson or, uh, uh, Anthony Smith, but you're like, "Here's Anthony Smith." And Jon's like, "All right. Yeah, let's do it, man." So, it... You know, that... He's fucking with his food right now.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Well, he's so good, but he's still able to fight out... Like, the Gustafsson fight, the early one, the first one, was a perfect example of him falling into a trap, right? Partying too hard, didn't train.
- JRJoe Rogan
Trained for two weeks, sir.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Barely, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Barely.
- BSBrendan Schaub
E- everyone in camp was like... They were, like, saying, "What? What do we do here?" He goes out and guts it out. Wins in the stretch, wins down the stretch, like he had to be pushed-
- JRJoe Rogan
A war.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... to win down the stretch, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Then it comes back-
- BSBrendan Schaub
And I trained with Gusman for that fight and I'm talking the best I've ever seen in the training room.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was like-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Hard to imagine.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "Oh, this guy's never gonna lose."
- 14:39 – 23:37
Jones vs. Adesanya hype: size, wrestling threat, and why it sells
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's what's interesting about this, is light heavyweight is so... I wish, I just wish Jon would dip out and be like, "You guys do your thing. Build the division up and then-"
- BSBrendan Schaub
No, no, no, no, no, no. I like what he's doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, well, no. He's defending it, sure, but here's, here's the thing. He, he's not stimulated by that. He's talking shit to the middleweight champion of the world.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's busy talking shit to Izzy.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Israel's talking shit to him too. That's, uh... They're having a lot of fun together.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's entertaining, though.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, they're having a lot of fun. But, uh, listen, ultimately I think it's good for everybody. I think that's... That, that little feud between Izzy and Jon Jones, first of all, it elevates-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fantastic.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... Izzy because all these people that didn't know who he was, like, "Why is Jon Jones talking shit to... Oh, look at this motherfu- Holy shit-"
- JRJoe Rogan
"He's bad."
- BSBrendan Schaub
"... he's good." And then they watch his fights and go, "This is why Jon Jones is talking shit to him, 'cause he starched Robert Whittaker, basically the end of the first round, the fight was over."
- JRJoe Rogan
Over.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I mean, Robert Whittaker was Fucks-ville and then he-
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's, and he stops good on the mic.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... he stops good on the second. Dude, he's good.
- JRJoe Rogan
And his, and his social media, he's, he's lighting him up there.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's good everywhere. He's good everywhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
How about this?
- BSBrendan Schaub
And he's a great guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
The best. I fucking love him.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's a really great guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Love him. Love him.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And honest as fuck, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know he bought a McLaren 720S?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes, he did.
- JRJoe Rogan
When he told me that I went, "Dude."
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes, he did.
- JRJoe Rogan
I gave him a hug. I was so excited for him. I thought it was a car guy. He goes, "I gotta be honest, man, I just bought it 'cause it looked like this anime character." I went...
- BSBrendan Schaub
(screams) He's in the anime.
- 23:37 – 29:48
Pride nostalgia: Cro Cop’s violence, the mask KO clip, and old-school legends
- BSBrendan Schaub
Get that Dos Carros, go get the KO from Mirko Cro Cop versus Dos Carros. Mirko hits him with left kick cemetery right to the fucking dome. And when the dude goes out, as he slumps, blood is dripping out of the inside of the mask across his eyes.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a horror movie.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But it's like, if you were gonna s- if Tarantino was gonna film this...
- JRJoe Rogan
You'd be like, "Come on, bro."
- BSBrendan Schaub
He'd be like, "Come on, the blood's dripping down."
- JRJoe Rogan
"Dude, come out of the mask."
- BSBrendan Schaub
"Get out of here. Watch this." It's fucking... First of all-... the Japanese people are so mean.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
The, here it is, it's right when he gets him up against the, the corner is when he lands this. Let it, let it roll here a little bit. He cracks him a few times, just to let him know, "Bro-
- JRJoe Rogan
This guy's a wrestler, by the way.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... you're making a huge mistake. You fucked up so bad." 'Cause this guy has no business being in there. And Mirko, at the time-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dude.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... is the peak. He's the best kickboxer we had ever seen in the sport b- at that time, in the heavyweight division. This was like, Alistair was still not Alistair back then, you know? He hadn't made it. Mirko was the first. He was the first real-
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
... K-1 superstar because he was explosive. Like, a lot of the guys like Ernesto Hoost or maybe Peter Aerts, they maybe wouldn't have made the transition the way Mirko did. Mirko was like, "Boom!"
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BSBrendan Schaub
"Look at that, son. One shot, bang!"
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Now watch when they close up on him. Watch-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
Watch when they close in on him and you see the blood. Come on, bitch, where's the blood?
- JRJoe Rogan
He tried, he tried to take the mask off?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh!
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh!
- BSBrendan Schaub
It's edited out, these fucks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they tried to rip the mask off in time, but they don't get it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
See if you can find Dos Carros... Boy, I hope I didn't make out the blood part. I don't think I did. I think it definitely happened.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, blood comes out. It's right, it's, it's when they're trying to get it off.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, okay. So when they, they go back to the dude...
- NANarrator
Right here.
- 29:48 – 36:25
Conor vs. Cowboy (at 170): matchmaking logic, Gaethje chaos, and ‘red panties night’
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Hilarious. (sighs) Dude, how about fucking Cowboy Connor?
- BSBrendan Schaub
That's a very good fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a perfect time.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Long time overdue, right? Perfect time for it too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Me too. I agree.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Because I like how Cowboy's fighting now. He's so calm and relaxed in there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he's lost his last two, but-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
... they were to the top, you know, top of the heap.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah. I mean, he fought Gaethje who I think is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Nightmare matchup.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... the scariest fucking guy in the division right now. He scares me because Gaethje's like... He's...It's like he's on a suicide mission. It's like either he's gonna go or you're gonna go, and a lot of people say that, but they don't really mean it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Agree.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He fucking means it.
- JRJoe Rogan
He meant it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And he's backed off at that a hair, so he still controlled wildness.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you say he's a brawler, he does not like it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I don't think he necessarily is.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's not.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I think what he is, though, he's a, just, he's wild, but it's intelligent pressure.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's controlled chaos.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes. It's beat-
- JRJoe Rogan
And he-
- BSBrendan Schaub
... better than ever.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he has a great chin.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Phenomenal wrestling, knockout power.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Having those fights where it didn't go his way because of the chaos, I think is just making him be just a little bit more calculated.
- JRJoe Rogan
Agreed.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Just a little bit, and that's all he needs.
- 36:25 – 42:36
Diaz brothers & Masvidal: star power, damage concerns, and the Nick/Conor money fights
- JRJoe Rogan
In 70, and I, I, I know his team wants to do it, and his manager told me this, Masvidal told me this, they want to be co-main, co-main event against Nick Diaz, and they want the Conor fight.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Is Nick taking fights?
- JRJoe Rogan
He announced on his Instagram that he has big news about a fight.... on a, on his Instagram story. I guess, some- he-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Did you see his interview with Ariel?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- BSBrendan Schaub
What'd you think?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, what'd you think? (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
Um, I didn't, I didn't think he looked happy.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I thought, you know, it was real troubled and a lot of rambling, I mean, a lot of thoughts, trying to get out of his head.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of rants.
- BSBrendan Schaub
You know, I mean, I, I think, I don't ... It's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
But have you ever watched an interview and been like, "Oh, damn, that was-"
- BSBrendan Schaub
With him? No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, like that was super clear.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Look, I mean, I don't think that's his jam, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BSBrendan Schaub
His, his jam is fucking people up.
- JRJoe Rogan
They talk about that. Him and Nate.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're just like, "Ah, it's a little..."
- BSBrendan Schaub
And Morik.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know. It's, it's tough 'cause, 'cause again, we kicked this podcast off with CT and stuff like that. So it's like, is, is that a combination of him fighting? Is that what's going on there? Those are-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the years of the wars or is that just-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is that just him?
- BSBrendan Schaub
We don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
But like-
- BSBrendan Schaub
I don't know him well enough. But I mean-
- 42:36 – 52:12
Colby Covington’s ‘character’ as marketing: heat, discipline, and the Usman stakes
- BSBrendan Schaub
Let me tell you something though.
- JRJoe Rogan
He knows who does?
- BSBrendan Schaub
From the UFC. From the UFC. This ... Colby, with one big win-... right now, like see, he hasn't fought in a while, right? He fights Robbie Lawler, before that it was a whole year.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BSBrendan Schaub
So there hasn't been a lot of activity.
- JRJoe Rogan
Him and Dana hate each other.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But his crazy shit talking, with his $3 suit and his fucking MAGA hat and his book-
- JRJoe Rogan
And the strippers.
- BSBrendan Schaub
If he gets through it... Right, yeah, and the strippers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fantastic.
- BSBrendan Schaub
If he gets through and he beats Kamaru Usman and he, and he, and it gets on the n- the internet and it becomes like a thing, he could be the next huge superstar. He knows what he's doing. And you and I both know him. He's not like that guy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Not at all.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why I love him.
- BSBrendan Schaub
This is a fucking character. He's a really nice guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
The best.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's smart as shit, and his fucking discipline is unparalleled. And people look at him with that stupid suit on and the MAGA hat- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
... that he's carrying around Donald Trump Jr's book-
- JRJoe Rogan
And two strippers.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... and uh, it's fucking amazing, dude. He's the, he's got the best act-
- JRJoe Rogan
The whole shtick.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... that anybody's ever put on in the UFC because he's got an act. All these other guys are talking shit. He's talking shit through a character.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's playing game.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He made a guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's playing a game.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Do you think he thinks that suit looks good?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, he fucking knows.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Look at that fucking suit.
- JRJoe Rogan
All of it's, all of it-
- 52:12 – 54:42
YouTuber boxing (Logan Paul/KSI): athleticism, refereeing, and ‘stop fighting’ advice
- BSBrendan Schaub
Right into your boy Logan Paul in Hawaii.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you really?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, he was wandering around Hawaii.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see h- did you see him? When were you there?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, we said hi, we talked, uh, over Thanksgiving weekend.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a nice kid, right?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Very nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really nice.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah. I've talked to him before, I talked to him with you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's right, we were at The Comedy Store, he was there.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And th- he had a good fight, man. Their fight was good. It was a good fight. They, they didn't get tired. I mean, they fucking went after it for six rounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, for guys like-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yes!
- JRJoe Rogan
... that to go s- you know, I've-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Six rounds!
- JRJoe Rogan
... I've seen guys who have experience in amateur boxing like wou- gassed the fuck out. In front of a crowd like-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that? Pretty impressive.
- BSBrendan Schaub
It's interesting, you know, h- here's a guy also doesn't need to do that. He makes a lot of money.
- JRJoe Rogan
A ton of money.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Makes a ton of money, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
A ton of money. Whether you like it or not, that's the reality of it. Well, someone likes it, that's why he's making the money.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But I mean, whether someone listening likes to hear it or not, the truth is he makes a ton of money.
- JRJoe Rogan
Correct.
- BSBrendan Schaub
You can lie all you- "No, man, he's broke. That guy lost all his money. Uh, nah." No. He's got all the money.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've been to his house.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And he'd still decided to fight, which is interesting. It's like, okay, you know, if y- if you have that competitive drive in you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... you know, if you really do have it in you, you're a little-
- JRJoe Rogan
I think, I think for, for him and those YouTubers especially at his level, it's just like what's the next thing that we can compete, like get-
- 54:42 – 1:04:02
Adesanya vs. Romero (rumors) and why Yoel is a nightmare matchup
- BSBrendan Schaub
Dude, what do you think about Adesanya and Yoel Romero? Is that real?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not confirmed yet, is it?
- BSBrendan Schaub
I don't know, I sent you something. I was hoping.
- JRJoe Rogan
You sent that to me-
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and I was like, "Holy shit." I, 'cause I was at, I fell asleep and I woke up in the morning, I'm like, "Here we go." But...
- BSBrendan Schaub
Is it not confirmed? Did someone troll me?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I don't think so.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I think I found it on one of the websites I follow on Instagram.
- JRJoe Rogan
It, but usually th- they leak there and then-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it gets announced. But if-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... he does fight Yoel Romero, and when I was talking to-... uh, Jorge and Yoel Romero's, uh, manager when I was doing the food truck with Jorge. He was just like, "Oh, Jorge's getting a fight, man." I was like, "No, he's coming off a loss." He goes, "Think about his fucking losses." He goes, "He has his, he... Do you think he lost to Paulo Costa?" And I was like, "Mm, like no one got robbed, but I can see why they get Paulo," but you have an argument there. And he goes, "Think about before that, the Robert-Whittaker fight. He got fucked with that too."
- BSBrendan Schaub
He definitely got robbed in the second Whittaker fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
Correct.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I thought he w- I thought he won that fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So-
- BSBrendan Schaub
I've said that many, many times too and I haven't really heard a good argument against it. He had him hurt real bad.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
In at least two rounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I'd have to go back, I remember at the time I did score it for Whittaker. Here's my thing, that's fine, if you think he won. Yeah, all right. I can see that. I see both sides. But that's an argument for giving, uh, Yoel Romero the title shot-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because it's not like he got... If he got starts and then gave him the title shot, you're like, "What are you doing?"
- BSBrendan Schaub
Is it real?
- NANarrator
This is on Yoel's page. It's not official yet.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh, shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
March 7th.
- BSBrendan Schaub
March 7th.
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's the problem if UFC 248. If Yoel hasn't heard, if Yoel hasn't heard anything-
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