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JRE MMA Show #9 with Jeff Novitzky

Joe Rogan sits down with Jeff Novitzky, who is currently the Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for UFC.

Joe RoganhostJeff Novitzkyguest
Jan 2, 20182h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Inside UFC’s Anti-Doping Revolution and the Future of Fighter Safety

  1. Joe Rogan and UFC anti-doping chief Jeff Novitzky dive deep into how the UFC-USADA program transformed MMA from a "wild west" of steroids into one of the strictest drug-tested sports. Novitzky explains the independence and science behind USADA, the biological passport, and new testing tech like dried blood spot sampling, while also unpacking complex cases like Jon Jones, Tim Means, and Courtney Casey. They broaden the discussion to fighter health and performance: weight cutting reforms, the UFC Performance Institute’s data-driven approach, brain health research, and emerging therapies such as magnetic stimulation and CBD. Throughout, Novitzky stresses that his real role is athlete advocate, aiming to create deterrence, fairness, and long-term safety rather than just catching cheaters.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The UFC’s partnership with USADA created a uniquely independent and rigorous anti-doping system in professional sports.

Unlike leagues that self-police, the UFC outsourced all administration to USADA to remove business and favoritism conflicts; test stats and sanctions are public, and USADA—not the UFC—decides penalties.

Biological data shows a dramatic drop in steroid-like markers among UFC fighters since USADA began testing.

USADA analyzed years of steroid cases and identified large fluctuations in testosterone excretion as a key doping signature; plotting UFC samples over time shows this variance shrinking quarter by quarter, suggesting widespread behavior change and reduced steroid use.

Many positive tests stem from contaminated supplements or careless product choices, not always deliberate cheating.

Cases like Tim Means (tainted creatine) and Jon Jones’ earlier "gas-station Cialis" episode illustrate how non-certified supplements and sketchy websites can introduce banned substances; Novitzky urges fighters to use third‑party certified products and document everything.

Weight cutting is being tackled with science, guidelines, and infrastructure rather than blunt punishment alone.

The UFC uses experts, 8% fight-week weight guidelines, morning weigh-ins, and the Performance Institute’s DEXA scans, nutrition, and hydration monitoring to push fighters toward safer cuts and more appropriate divisions, while avoiding rigid rules that might cause someone to cut even more dangerously just to comply.

The Performance Institute aims to raise the whole sport’s level, not just UFC athletes’ conditioning.

With technologies like DEXA scans, underwater and anti-gravity treadmills, altitude chambers, 360° video analysis, and on-site nutrition and recovery, the PI serves as a free lab for fighters and their coaches—who then export best practices back to gyms worldwide.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“My position, unlike the name ‘the Golden Snitch,’ is an advocate to our athletes—to make sure our athletes are successful under the program, not that they fail under the program.”

Jeff Novitzky

“This is the strongest visual, objective, measurable evidence of success of a program that I’ve ever seen.”

Jeff Novitzky

“Anybody that contends that Dana doesn’t care about his athletes need look no further than this program.”

Jeff Novitzky

“We’re not just talking about crossing a finish line quicker. We’re talking about the ability to deliver more damage on your opponent.”

Joe Rogan

“You can talk till you’re blue in the face about things being unhealthy. Where fighters start listening is when you show them the effect on performance.”

Jeff Novitzky

USADA and the structure of the UFC anti-doping programHigh-profile doping cases (e.g., Jon Jones, Tim Means, Courtney Casey) and supplement contaminationNew testing science: biological passports, testosterone variability, and dried blood spot technologyWeight cutting, IV bans, and the UFC Performance Institute’s role in safer weight managementBrain health, CTE concerns, and experimental therapies (magnetic stimulation, neurocognitive testing)Marijuana and CBD policy differences between USADA/WADA and state athletic commissionsMental aspects of fighting and how the Performance Institute supports holistic athlete performance

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