JRE MMA Show #91 with Radio Rahim

Joe Rogan 0:00 Doo, doo, doo. Yeah, that is a guy named Ross Baines, he painted that. He's also painted this, uh, there's a picture in the green room with me and Daniel Cormier, and there's, uh, another one. The only thing, he sent me the one of Masvidal. This, he did a, an amazing one of Jorge Masvidal when he landed this knee on Ben Askren. He's a great artist. But that's Richard Pryor, he, he painted that for me.

Radio Rahim 0:21 Well, clearly, m- my screensaver used to be a collection of mugshots, like-

Joe Rogan 0:26 Really?

Radio Rahim 0:26 ... Jim Morrison-

Joe Rogan 0:28 I have Morrison out there.

Radio Rahim 0:29 ... uh, Frank Sinatra. I saw.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Yeah, I have Frank Sinatra in the green room.

Radio Rahim 0:30 So, but, okay, so then the thing is, I'm not a criminal, right?

Joe Rogan 0:33 Me neither.

Radio Rahim 0:33 I don't aspire (laughs) to be a criminal. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:35 I don't either.

Radio Rahim 0:35 But one of these, like, these mugshots are so iconic-

Joe Rogan 0:38 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 0:39 ... what does it mean to you to see, like, your heroes, e- essentially charged with crimes in maybe w- one of the worst nights of their life?

Joe Rogan 0:47 Well, it didn't start off that way. This is what happened. I was in Hawaii, and they ... I'm a giant Jimi Hendrix fan. That's why I named the podcast Joe Rogan Experience.

Radio Rahim 0:58 Ah.

Joe Rogan 0:58 I ripped off The Jimi Hendrix Experience. And I was in Hawaii, and, um, I went into this art gallery, and they had all this, uh, rock and roll art. And they had this really dope, uh, collaboration of Hendrix, his mugshot. It was like six, nine. Nine images? Nine square images of Hendrix's mugshot. I go, that looks cool as fuck, and so I bought it. And I also bought, uh, the Rosa Parks one, and I also bought the Elvis one. They had three different, uh, collab- like, just nine squares on one piece of artwork.

Radio Rahim 1:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Of ... And I thought it looked cool, so I said, "Oh, that'll be a good backdrop for the podcast." So the old podcast studio, I had those behind me. And then I started picking up other ones, like I got Janis Joplin in the bathroom, I got Johnny Cash-

Radio Rahim 1:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 ... I got Jim- James Brown, I got Pryor on the wall here. I got, uh, Jim Morrison, I got Steven Tyler on the wall over there. I just started collecting 'em, and there's, there's no real rhyme or reason to it. I just ... I got Lenny Bruce, I got everybody ... But I, but I just found mugshots and I just started collecting 'em.

Radio Rahim 2:02 I had, like I said, my screensaver was that for, like, a year.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 2:05 And I even had Sinatra in my room, big, you know-

Joe Rogan 2:09 Yeah, yeah.

Radio Rahim 2:09 ... a, a big one on the wall and whatnot, and I'm like, "W- you know, what is this shit about?"

Joe Rogan 2:12 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 2:14 (laughs) But it occurred to me, like, everybody that became an icon and became legend, like, you have to break the rules. There's nobody-

Joe Rogan 2:20 Yes.

Radio Rahim 2:20 ... who just, like, followed every rule and that's what they're famous for. Like, hey-

Joe Rogan 2:22 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 2:22 ... this guy never stepped outta line, he did everything that everyone said he was supposed to do, did it all the ways that you're within the rules, and that's the fucking legend that you love.

Joe Rogan 2:30 No.

Radio Rahim 2:30 No. It's almost like it's y- you're ... It's illegal to be exceptional. You have to (laughs) fucking break the law to make the, to make the imprint on the society that you want to make.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Well, particularly in a time where these guys were doing their art, I mean, we're talking about Morrison and Hendrix. This is the '70s, the '60s. See, th- it was wild times, it was this transitionary period between the '50s where everything was like mom and pop and diners and fucking drive-through movies and shit-

Radio Rahim 3:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:00 ... and then all the drive-in movies, and then all of a sudden you have drugs, and, and wild rock and roll, and James Brown, and, and chaos, and, you know-

Radio Rahim 3:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:09 ... but whatever you're not supposed to do- Yeah.

Radio Rahim 3:11 ... that's the thing you should be doing.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 3:12 I mean, within reason. We're not talking about, like, harming other people or whatnot, but the society's, like, restrictions?

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 3:18 That's the boundary to keep you as a n- normal person, as a, like ...

Joe Rogan 3:23 I wish I had a better answer.

Radio Rahim 3:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:25 But if, uh, if I had to really put my finger on it, I, I, I would say that those images represent these moments where society tried to contain these wild people.

Radio Rahim 3:35 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 3:35 You know, these people that were breaking the rules, these people that were trying to change culture. These people that were just doing their thing, and it wasn't like they weren't popular. I mean, when ... I think Jim Morrison pulled his dick out, right? Didn't he pull his dick out?

Radio Rahim 3:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:47 I mean, he was insanely popular when he pulled his dick out, and they're like, "Enough."

Radio Rahim 3:51 (laughs) Yeah. That, well, he was insanely popular when he got arrested, finally-

Joe Rogan 3:54 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 3:54 ... for pulling his dick out, but when you get arrested for pulling your dick out, it's never the first time.

Joe Rogan 3:58 No, he's pulled his dick out.

Radio Rahim 3:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:00 He's ... I know a lot of people that pulled their dick out.

Radio Rahim 4:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:02 It's, uh, yeah, it's, it's a weird thing, like that moment where you, you know, where the, the society that's trying to contain these artists, like, lashes out and captures them briefly, and then-

Radio Rahim 4:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:15 ... but they don't even realize they're just making them bigger.

Radio Rahim 4:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:18 You know?

Radio Rahim 4:19 And they're making 'em, uh, more accessible. Hey-

Joe Rogan 4:21 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 4:21 ... I got a mugshot. I mean, I'm not criminal, but-

Joe Rogan 4:23 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 4:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 4:23 It turned out the one fr-

Radio Rahim 4:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:25 ... from Hendrix was a bullshit mugshot. It wasn't a real mugshot.

Radio Rahim 4:28 He never got arrested?

Joe Rogan 4:28 He did get arrested, but the image that I had, some fucking artist took liberties-

Radio Rahim 4:33 Ah.

Joe Rogan 4:33 ... and they decided, "Well, this is a cooler picture. Let's put his mugshot logo under that." So it was the actual words from Toronto where he got arrested for heroin underneath his image, but the image was incorrect. So then I went out and got the real image, so now w- that big ... And I used to have 'em in the squares, but then I changed the squares to these big metal ones. See, the one I had-

Radio Rahim 4:52 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:52 ... is the upper right-hand side. That's the wrong one.

Radio Rahim 4:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:54 That's not the real image.

Radio Rahim 4:55 That is a cooler one, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 4:56 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 4:56 ... if that one down there ... Yeah, okay. Okay, well, that's a cool one, too.

Joe Rogan 4:59 But that's the real mugshot. But don't do the one with the, the words behind it. The, the one-

Radio Rahim 5:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:03 ... next to it, Jamie. No. That's not it. The ... No, next to it.

Radio Rahim 5:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:07 Ne- right above, above, right above, right there. That's it.

Radio Rahim 5:09 That's the one.

Joe Rogan 5:10 That's the actual one. See-

Radio Rahim 5:11 See it?

Joe Rogan 5:11 ... that one on the right-hand side? That's the actual image of Hendrix. Oh, I didn't know there's a Mick Jagger.

Radio Rahim 5:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Oh.

Radio Rahim 5:17 Yeah, that one's in my collection.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Well, the Yonkers one is Steven Tyler. I have that one on the wall.

Radio Rahim 5:23 Ah.

Joe Rogan 5:23 That's the side shot. But I didn't know Steven ... Did you know that, uh, Mick Jagger got arrested, Jamie? Everybody's been arrested. Um, order that shit. Hold onto those and s- start ordering.

Radio Rahim 5:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:34 We're gonna get some new ones. Oh, David Bowie? We got the Janis Joplin in the bathroom. Fuck, I didn't know David Bowie got arrested. Axl Rose. That's Axl Rose right here.

Radio Rahim 5:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 Axl Rose was a little cutie pie when he was younger. Look at him.

Radio Rahim 5:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:45 (laughs) That David Bowie one is pretty dope. That actually looks like it could be the cover of an album.

Radio Rahim 5:49 Right?

Joe Rogan 5:49 Scroll back down again to that, please. Yeah, look at that. That's-

Radio Rahim 5:52 And Jim Morrison looks like Chris Stapleton.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Look how odd he looks there. 1976.

Radio Rahim 5:57 Yeah, he's guilty. Whatever, whatever he got arrested for that night, it was definitely-

Joe Rogan 6:01 He got arrested for being beautiful.

Radio Rahim 6:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:02 Look at him. (laughs) So, dude, let's just get into this, man.

Radio Rahim 6:08 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 6:08 We had this conversation at The Comedy Store. I'm like, "You gotta come on the podcast. We gotta talk about this, because you are a part of probably the most iconic boxing interview of our day."... you with Deontay Wilder. When Deontay Wilder freaked out on you, it became this huge, huge fucking thing.

Radio Rahim 6:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:28 To- to this day-

Radio Rahim 6:30 To this day.

Joe Rogan 6:30 ... to this day, he puts it on his Instagram, he puts it in hashtags, till this day.

Radio Rahim 6:36 He sells sweatshirts with till this day on them. There's a store that's adjacent to the Barclay Center, it's connected to the Barclay Center, and it's full of shit that says, "Till this day," on it.

Joe Rogan 6:49 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 6:49 He had a grand opening there. I was invited to it.

Joe Rogan 6:53 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 6:53 Like, this is... (laughs) It's not just an iconic meme. This is now a major part of my identity.

Joe Rogan 6:59 Do people associate you with it, though? Do they, like, automatically or do they just as- so 'cause it's your f- you see the side of your face, but you see him, angry as fuck-

Radio Rahim 7:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:11 ... arguably the scariest heavyweight of all time.

Radio Rahim 7:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:14 I mean, Mike Tyson's right up there. Mike Ty- see, off sta- off s- ring, outside of the ring, Deontay is a sweetheart. He's a really nice guy. So, to see him angry outside the ring is kinda weird 'cause I had him on the podcast. He couldn't be a nicer guy.

Radio Rahim 7:30 Yeah, it's true.

Joe Rogan 7:31 He's, he's a really nice guy. L- and so, to see him angry at you, "To this day,"-

Radio Rahim 7:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:36 ... and, like, giving you crazy eyes that was like, "Ugh," and when you explained it, it's like, yeah that's what you do in an interview. You- you- you want someone to expand and say, "What do you mean by that?"

Radio Rahim 7:46 Yeah, and listen, man, this is not like the first day we met.

Joe Rogan 7:49 Right.

Radio Rahim 7:49 It's not like I just happened upon this, uh, heavyweight champion of the world screaming and then decided to piss him off.

Joe Rogan 7:55 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 7:56 (laughs) You know, we've had multiple conversations, sat down for hours at a time. In fact, in Belfast, in Germany, he, uh, or Ireland, I'm sorry, we sat down for an hour and I don't know. So, I'm gonna give you the c- I'm gonna give you the context of what I was thinking in the moment.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Okay.

Radio Rahim 8:11 All right? He was on stage-

Joe Rogan 8:13 Tell it, 'cause m- some people might not be aware of exactly what happened, so just try to-

Radio Rahim 8:17 Okay. So-

Joe Rogan 8:18 There it is, right there. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 8:19 (laughs) In a couple weeks, we're gonna see it again. I don't know if we're gonna see the exact same thing happen-

Joe Rogan 8:23 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 8:23 ... but-

Joe Rogan 8:23 It comes up. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 8:24 ... it's gonna come up.

Joe Rogan 8:25 It's seasonal. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 8:27 (laughs) Deontay Wilder is facing Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury is a British gypsy, okay? He is a boisterous, very animated, uh, showman in boxing. Heavyweights, mind you. These guys are giants. First time they've, they met, this is December 18. So, uh, I travel the world covering boxing, everywhere. Like I said, I sat down with this guy in Ireland. I've covered Tyson Fury in, uh, England. I've covered him in America. I've covered boxing literally everywhere. So, I'm familiar with what you also know, that fighting, even combat sports, boxing, MMA, there is a regional aspect to it. Like, everybody's culture brings something to it. The Irish fighter feels like he's got a certain style, he's got a certain history, he's got a claim to the warrior legacy. Same for the British fighter. Of course, the American fighter. But both of these guys come from what's like an underclass of their society. Uh, j- uh, travelers, gypsies-

Joe Rogan 9:27 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 9:27 ... in England are looked down upon. These people h- are cultural fighters, and I don't mean, uh, necessarily just the oppression of being an underclass, but fighting is part of their tradition, almost like it is to Mexicans in Mexico. It's something that they do that bonds the clan.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 9:45 It's, they- they believe in a history of it. Obviously, Deontay Wilder is from Alabama. You know, he's as dark as midnight. He is a descendant of slaves for sure. (laughs) Okay? He's got a history coming to any fight, bringing what he experiences in this country to this element of the face-off, one man, one man versus one man. So, when Tyson Fury is on stage during the press conference, and something, uh, uh, possessed him to say, "You know, I'm coming from a fighting people. My people have been fighting for 200 years." Well, in context, he means that the culture of travelers, of gypsies is one of, "We're fighting men, I'm a fighting man." That's something that they say about themselves and each other. So, that's what he's bringing to this argument. That's how he's challenging Wilder. But Wilder takes that and says, "200 years of fight- my people have been fighting for 400 years."

Joe Rogan 10:37 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 10:38 (laughs) Of course he's talking about the- the Black experience in America, slavery, all in- all alike. But mind you, he's talking to a British fighter. He's talking to a world audience. This is not like uh, he- he's fighting Dominic Breazeale. You know what I'm saying? Where it's two Americans, probably not gonna get that much international, uh, attention. The world's watching, particularly communities that don't necessarily know when a Black man says, "400 years," you know, I know, you know, 'cause we grew up in America, you know what we're talking about. The world doesn't know that.

Joe Rogan 11:12 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 11:12 I travel the world. They're not just, they're n- they're not steeped in Black American history. I've had conversations with him. He loves to talk about the plight of the Black man in America and how it relates to his career, how he feels, you know, disadvantaged in certain ways, and he carries a mantle in other ways. He's a champion of Black America in certain ways, and he's a victim of white America in other ways. So, when I see this argument happening, I'm like, "Oh, okay. Well, this is definitely a moment." But I'm not a pool reporter, right? So, in this particular instance, it's unusual for me to be part of the scrum, is what they call it. Collection of, uh, reporters, uh, everybody's kinda shouting questions out, just trying to evoke responses. Usually, I'm a one-on-one guy. I'll wait my turn, right? But on this particular day, l- the other week, uh, I didn't have a haircut. I wasn't really... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:04 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 12:04 I was coming, I had just got back from Dubai. I went in Dubai with like, you know, Dave Chappelle. I'm hanging out. It's after Thanksgiving. I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna kinda mail this one in," to be honest. I'm thinking, "Let me throw something out because I know what he's talking about, and I also know that the audience around us, in the world especially, may not have caught that reference." But he is, he's a- it's- it's a high watermark right now. It's Thursday, and the fight's Saturday.

Joe Rogan 12:29 So, he's amped up.

Radio Rahim 12:30 Yeah, that's the other thing. Fight week...... fighters are not them- so it's not the guy you were sitting across from- Right, right, right, right. ... doing the experience. Right, right. Right, right. You know what I mean? That guy was having a good day. Right. This guy's been waiting to fight for at least three months, if not, you know, uh, 10 weeks. Ramped up. Ramped, right? He comes off stage, he answers a couple of other questions, and then just to be sure, because I've been doing this a long time, I'm not an idiot, I know he's amped and I want him to get the question clearly, "Deontay, Radio Raheem." I say my name so he knows who it's coming from. Not 'cause he doesn't know me, but because he does. Right. "So Radio Raheem, you just said, uh, your people have been fighting for 400 years." Okay, first of all, I'm in the midst of my question. Right. I, uh, I don't do these things, uh, uh, haphazardly. Yes. I word my questions very carefully. Yes. But in the ears (laughs) of Black America, later in this, later in this story you'll find out that "your people," that part of the question, became, uh, incredibly important and, uh, people were very sensitive about that. Because you said "your people"- 'Cause I said- ... instead of "our people." ... "your people" instead of "our people." Right. But I'm fucking quoting the guy. Right. Okay? I am not speaking for him, I'm- Yes, yes, yes. ... quoting what he said. He said, "My people have been fighting for 400 years." So if he had said "our people," I would've said "our people," but- Right. ... I can't take possession of your quote. It's not me saying it- Right. ... it's you saying it. Right. "Your people have been fighting for 400 years." What did you mean by that? So, uh, I mean, he, laser focus, turns to me, he's already at 10, like, there's no ramp up at this time. Right. And h- he started, you know, shouting in my face like, uh, "Your people too," like, "You know what I'm talking about." He says, "Don't try to bait, you know what I'm talking about when I say these things, when I-" I'm like, "Well, yeah, I do, can you tell them what you're talking about?" You're trying to get him to explain. I'm trying to get him to explain to the world what he said to me on numerous occasions in different interviews and off camera. I know exactly what he's talking about and I know that this is the moment that he finally gets to talk about it- Right. ... to people who have never been listening to him before. Right. But... (laughs) When he, when he heard "your," it was a trigger for him too. Hmm. I'm so oblivious and I, uh, even looking back I'm like, "Man, how did you miss that?" I d- I swear to God I didn't know what the fuck was the problem. He starts saying, shouting, "Your people," and I'm like, "Well, I, wha-" it took me, him, he, he couldn't, h- he needed to keep saying it 'cause I didn't know why he was saying that. "Yeah, my people too, my people too," oh. There's a moment I'm like, "Oh, uh-oh." (laughs) Oh, no! (laughs) I thought he was shouting at them! Oh my goodness. He was shouting at me! Oh, no! (laughs) Ah, uh, you know, "Our people been fighting for 400 years-" Ugh. "... to this day, to this day." And I, uh, so what I wanted, what I wanted, what I thought was happening was that, okay, this moment now has become about him a- like, attacking me because he thinks I'm attacking him. He thinks because I do know what he's talking about, he knows we've spoken about it with- numerous times, he thinks I'm pretending... Oh. ... not to know, like some, you know, air quotes, Uncle Tom or what, you know, the numerous names I've been called on the internet since- Mm-hmm. ... as though I'm trying to pretend like, "Oh, I don't, what, 400 years? What does, what does that mean?" (laughs) You know what I mean? (laughs) I'm like, "Uh, okay, okay, okay, fine." So... (laughs) So when he's screaming at you- Mm-hmm. ... what is going through your mind when he's hitting you with... Is it "to

Radio Rahim 16:34 this day" or "till this day?" Okay. (laughs) 'Cause there is a debate on that. First of all- Let's, let's see, let's play it. All right, here we go, here we go. Explain what you mean by that.

Deontay Wilder 16:40 You know what I'm talking about. Y'all all know what I'm talking about, man. Don't sit up here and try to bait and not know what I'm talking about. Y'all know what the fuck I talk about when I say these things, your people too!

Radio Rahim 16:51 Explain it, I, uh, not everybody knows what you're talking about.

Deontay Wilder 16:54 I don't gotta explain what's understood, Radio Raheem! I don't have to explain what's understood, man. You know what I mean by that. You know what I said by that, I ain't gotta go farther. And if nobody, if anybody don't understand that, then God be with them, go look up the history. Go look up the history. Shit, ain't, don't everybody believe in Google? Go Google that shit and see what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about, man. You know what, I dare you to sit up there and say it's, explain, you know what I'm talking about, man. His fighting people. You know we've been fighting 400 and still fighting to this day. To this day!

Radio Rahim 17:27 (laughs)

Deontay Wilder 17:28 To this day! You just sit here, you don't know what I'm talking about? Man, I'm outta here, bro. Let's go.

Radio Rahim 17:38 Come on, let's go.

Deontay Wilder 17:39 Let's go, man.

Radio Rahim 17:43 Fuck. Yeah. Look at you. Okay, see, see, uh, you don't have to keep playing it, but just so you know, there's more to this video. In fact, the last guy says, "Oh, we, we know, I, I, uh, we know what he's talking about." That's what I just said at the end, but that clip everyone in the world has seen- Right. ... fits very neatly on Instagram- Of course. ... in a minute. Oh, no. Right? (laughs) So you miss the beginning and the end- (gasps) ... but the drama- Welcome to 2020 (laughs) or '19 or- (laughs) Yes! Welcome to the new age- Uh- ... of clips and things being taken outta context. So listen, this is not the first time I've had an interview that has, you know, uh, gotten major attention and not the first time a fighter's been pissed off at me. I knew that this was going to be a big thing, like, I knew people were gonna talk about it. Bro, I had no fucking concept...... of what was about to happen to my night. Like, I'm like basically when you're a reporter like this, you're like, "Okay, well, that was dramatic. We got a hot one. That one might get me a, you know, few 100,000 if not 1,000,000 views maybe." Like this is-

Joe Rogan 18:47 (exhales) .

Radio Rahim 18:47 Yeah, we got the, we got the champ. But also I'm thinking, you know, it's something of a success, like, okay, we got him to express at least in his, m- in that moment, something that we don't usually see. It's fight week.

Joe Rogan 18:58 Right.

Radio Rahim 18:58 We talked to this guy a million times. Everyone's had their interviews, he's been on every show and that was like the realest moment in the whole build-up. So for me, that in and of itself is something of a victory. Like you've, you've created a moment here where you got to see inside the champ's heart. You got to see like his passion. When I get home though, I gotta take a nap, like it's a been a long day, it's good. So as (laughs) as these stories tend to go, I'm woken up by chimes on my phone. Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Oh-ho-ho.

Radio Rahim 19:26 What the fuck is going on? What's going on?

Joe Rogan 19:28 (sighs) .

Radio Rahim 19:28 In the interim, he's posted on Instagram just a minute of what is really like a two-and-a-half minute interview-

Joe Rogan 19:35 Man.

Radio Rahim 19:35 ... where it looks so bad.

Joe Rogan 19:38 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 19:38 And then he's written like a paragraph essentially about having to like, you know, teach people like basically not to be Uncle Toms, and how you gotta like straighten it out, and like there's a whole-

Joe Rogan 19:50 (groans)

Radio Rahim 19:51 ... like civil rights diatribe.

Joe Rogan 19:53 (inhales deeply)

Radio Rahim 19:53 And I'm the pin cushion, right?

Joe Rogan 19:55 Oh my God.

Radio Rahim 19:55 Like I'm-

Joe Rogan 19:56 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 19:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:57 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 19:57 I'm the straw man, I'm the guy.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Oh my God.

Radio Rahim 20:01 And, uh, I- I- I start to, of course, read the comments, I'm like, "Well, uh, maybe is, is there any possible way this is good?" Bro, everybody's like, "Fuck that guy."

Joe Rogan 20:12 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 20:12 Somebody... (laughs) Uncle Tom, Uncle Ruckus, sellout.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Oh. Oh.

Radio Rahim 20:17 You know, I always hated-

Joe Rogan 20:18 Oh.

Radio Rahim 20:18 ... this motherfucker, like-

Joe Rogan 20:19 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Radio Rahim 20:21 Bro.

Joe Rogan 20:21 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 20:22 Yeah. I've ni- I'm also not like-

Joe Rogan 20:24 (sighs) .

Radio Rahim 20:24 ... a, a, a stranger to criticism, I'm not a stranger to YouTube comments, I live on YouTube, it's one of the most vicious places on Earth. If you ever wanna like just get hu- like humbled, if you're ever feeling too big about yourself, post a YouTube video. Let it sit there for about an hour and then start reading the comments. I don't care who you are. (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 20:40 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 20:40 It'll bring you down a notch. (laughs) But this is another element. Bro, Rihanna was like upset, like-

Joe Rogan 20:47 At you.

Radio Rahim 20:48 ... at me.

Joe Rogan 20:48 Ugh.

Radio Rahim 20:50 I don't want Rihanna mad at me.

Joe Rogan 20:51 No.

Radio Rahim 20:51 I don't even know Rihanna, like why, I don't wanna start our relationship this way.

Joe Rogan 20:54 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 20:55 (laughs) Like, what is going on?

Joe Rogan 20:58 Ugh. Ugh.

Radio Rahim 21:00 Snoop Dogg-

Joe Rogan 21:01 Snoop Dogg's mad, yeah.

Radio Rahim 21:02 ... who, who we all now know can be incredibly vicious when he's upset at somebody over something.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Oh.

Radio Rahim 21:08 Yo.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Like nobody.

Radio Rahim 21:09 Yo, yo, teach that sellout, like yeah, you know, put, put, uh, N-word in his place. Like, bro-

Joe Rogan 21:15 Mm.

Radio Rahim 21:15 ... Snoop Dogg's mad at me?

Joe Rogan 21:17 Oh, no.

Radio Rahim 21:18 About these things?

Joe Rogan 21:19 What are you feeling when this is going on? How many knots are in your stomach?

Radio Rahim 21:21 Bro, I'm panicking. I'm panicking.

Joe Rogan 21:23 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 21:24 I'm way more comfortable with him shouting in my face and having no idea whether or not, like, eh, this can go any kind of way. But at least I understand the moment, like at least I'm in control of half of it.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Right.

Radio Rahim 21:36 This is a, this is a train on fire off the rails. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:40 Oh.

Radio Rahim 21:40 You know what I mean? And the, of course, the more people respond to it, celebrities and, uh, you know, other fighters and the like, the more emboldened he is to double down on it, like, "Hell, this is a moment." The fight's not selling well, you know what I mean? Uh, they've been giving him stick overseas for not being known anywhere. They're saying you can walk down the street and, you know, Eddie Hearn did this video where he's asking people in New York like do they know Deontay Wilder, and he made a whole video of them saying no. So at this moment... You also have to give context of what's happening in his career. At this moment, he's knocking everybody out, he's WBC heavyweight champion, he can't get the fight to unify like with Joshua. They're saying he's a nobody essentially, he can't, he's not worth the money 'cause nobody knows who he is. He's fighting arguably the toughest fight he could've possibly picked. Tyson Fury is an incredibly technical fighter. No one thinks of Deontay Wilder as a technical technician, like they're thinking this guy's gonna get out-classed. He could lose his belts this way and not be making... Not only made a shit ton of money for that fight. So now that all this attention is on him and, like I said, it's a s- a subject he loves to talk about, he's a hero. He's like a champion of, of black America in this moment. The only, the only, I'm just like, you know, uh, I'm collateral damage.

Joe Rogan 22:58 That had to-

Radio Rahim 22:58 I'm just a casualty.

Joe Rogan 22:59 ... boost the fuck out of that fight, though.

Radio Rahim 23:02 Taking sales through the roof. The f- the moment's viral.

Joe Rogan 23:06 (sighs)

Radio Rahim 23:06 It's everywhere. People didn't even know the fight was happening until this meme just is in their inboxes. People (laughs) , people are s- like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:16 Look at this.

Radio Rahim 23:16 Look at this.

Joe Rogan 23:17 The to this day meme is taking over the internet and it'll speak to your soul. Oh my goodness.

Radio Rahim 23:24 Yeah. This became like the flagship moment for black woke people-

Joe Rogan 23:29 (sighs)

Radio Rahim 23:29 ... to tell like, you know, the black, uh-

Joe Rogan 23:33 (laughs) The meme to-

Radio Rahim 23:34 ... sellout class-

Joe Rogan 23:35 It's Kermit with a r- dif- wa- a fucking oxy-

Radio Rahim 23:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:38 ... oxygen mask on and it says, "You still on your parent's phone? Me." Dot with the (laughs) -

Radio Rahim 23:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:44 (laughs) To this day.

Radio Rahim 23:46 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:47 (laughs) The fucking internet.

Radio Rahim 23:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:49 The internet is so goddamn funny.

Radio Rahim 23:50 It's undefeated.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Oh my God.

Radio Rahim 23:53 But at this point, it's kicking my ass. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:55 Oh my... Hey.

Radio Rahim 23:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:56 Goddamn, dude.

Radio Rahim 23:58 Um, yeah. So as this thing gets bigger and bigger, uh, I start to realize that it's, it's well out of my control. And then I have to start to think about what my role really is. It- it's not about me. It's not... What I do isn't so that people can feel one way or another about me. It's really, again, taking myself back to that initial moment of showing 'em something about the fighter that they haven't seen. Let's get a look inside this guy and get him to share something usually-

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 24:30 ... just verbally, that they didn't know or that he, there wasn't, he didn't come to the room expecting to share.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Right.

Radio Rahim 24:36 And I support...... people understanding the culture from which he, we, come as black Americans. I wa- th- I wanted to give him the stage to do exactly that.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Right.

Radio Rahim 24:49 Didn't turn out like I expected-

Joe Rogan 24:51 In, in, in hindsight.

Radio Rahim 24:52 ... but it did become an iconic, like, civil rights, I guess, type of m- moment. It, it became one of those things that people identify with, black power, black information being like, "Yo, this is, this is what we're experiencing-"

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 25:05 "... and this is how deep it still runs," at that time in 2018.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Did you think about it, like, in retrospect, "How could I have phrased that better?" I mean, I'm c- sure you did, right? What could you have said? 'Cause you wanted to get that out of there. You wanted to get him to s- to expand on it.

Radio Rahim 25:23 I think that I, it was exactly the right thing at the right time. I couldn't have predicted in a million years it would've went that way, but that's the way it was supposed to go. If I had phrased it, so-called, better, and he had given a more reasoned, thoughtful answer, we wouldn't be sitting here. See, what-

Joe Rogan 25:41 He would've made less money, too.

Radio Rahim 25:42 (laughs) The fight would've sold less tickets-

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 25:44 ... less pay-per-views. No, that, wouldn't have went viral. You wouldn't have gave a shit about my side of the story.

Joe Rogan 25:50 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 25:51 (laughs) Like, the moment doesn't exist.

Joe Rogan 25:52 Right. Right.

Radio Rahim 25:54 And, and that's the beauty of like-

Joe Rogan 25:55 When you were telling me in the back of the comedy store, I'm like, "Oh, shit, that's you!"

Radio Rahim 25:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:00 Oh, my God.

Radio Rahim 26:02 (laughs) So the blessing and the angle and the camera work in w- in some regard is, some people don't know it's me.

Joe Rogan 26:08 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 26:09 And I'm so happy for that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:12 (laughs) Oh, my God.

Radio Rahim 26:14 And the, but the ones who do, there is enough who do, so I'm telling you, Joe, every day since then, it's been over a year now, someone, somewhere, every time I've left my home, and sometimes while I'm still in it, has shouted in my face, "To this day!"

Joe Rogan 26:29 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 26:30 That's how they say hello.

Joe Rogan 26:31 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 26:32 Some people don't even know my name. "To this day! To, to this day!"

Joe Rogan 26:37 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 26:38 Ah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:39 Oh, my God.

Radio Rahim 26:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Oh, my God.

Radio Rahim 26:42 Uh, but it, you know, hey, man, it's a godsend, really. It's something that captured everybody's attention in a moment.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 26:50 And if it had been anything else, it, I can't imagine how it would've done that.

Joe Rogan 26:54 Right. It wouldn't have. No. It had to be that crazy in his eyes, 'cause he's so ramped up getting ready for that fight and he's so angry and he takes the glasses off. I'm like, "Oh."

Radio Rahim 27:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:03 I remember watching it. I was nervous. I was nowhere near him.

Radio Rahim 27:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:07 You must've been shitting your pants.

Radio Rahim 27:08 Okay- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:09 But you know him, right? So you probably weren't shitting your pants, but you were probably, like, very uncomfortable.

Radio Rahim 27:14 I absolutely was not shitting my pants. I wasn't e- in fact, in the m- in the exchange, I'm quite calm.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Right.

Radio Rahim 27:21 I'm just trying, on the one hand, I'm trying to figure out what's happening in the beginning. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:26 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 27:26 Because I didn't understand, like, the rage being directed at me. For, I'm, I'm telling you, for a minute I thought he was just talking to white America. I was like, "Yeah, get him." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 27:34 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 27:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:35 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 27:40 I'm halfway through this thing.

Joe Rogan 27:41 Yeah, get him. Oh, my goodness.

Radio Rahim 27:43 And we're like, this is, this is, this is my bad, uh, according to him.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Oh, my good- oh, my goodness.

Radio Rahim 27:47 Uh-

Joe Rogan 27:48 Oh. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 27:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:49 Yeah, get him. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 27:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:54 Ugh.

Radio Rahim 27:54 But, so once he's like, "Yo, I'm done. I'm," you know, "Oh, man." Like he just mo- walks off in disgust. I then fight him 20 minutes later and I interview him again. This time, in much more calm and reasoned fashion, I let him lay out what it was about, what I expected to happen the first time. Lot of people have seen it. Not a fraction of the people who've seen that.

Joe Rogan 28:15 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 28:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:17 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 28:17 I (laughs) , yeah, I do know the guy, but as you know, these people are warriors, man.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 28:21 And their blood's running high and they, and, and he saw red. Like-

Joe Rogan 28:24 Oh, yeah.

Radio Rahim 28:25 ... at that time-

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 28:26 ... we weren't friends. We weren't homies. He didn't remember Belfast. He didn't, he thought I was coming for him.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Right.

Radio Rahim 28:31 So even though I know him, I don't know him. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 28:36 No, no, no.

Radio Rahim 28:36 I don't know what's really gonna happen in this moment.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Right.

Radio Rahim 28:39 I'm just doing my job. Like, I can't be afraid to do that. So whatever happens in this moment is, this is what it's gonna be.

Joe Rogan 28:43 You've got a great perspective on it, though. You're so right, that without that moment blowing up like that, the fight-

Radio Rahim 28:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:50 ... doesn't become as big as it is. The meme doesn't exist. You don't become more popular.

Radio Rahim 28:54 Right. And he even did, like, a segment b- uh, before the fight on Showtime where he, like, uh, you know, went through, uh, black, he had, like, a black history segment (laughs) like on Showtime.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Because of that?

Radio Rahim 29:06 Because of this.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Wow.

Radio Rahim 29:07 Like, it actually created a moment that put him in position to be the kind of s- representative of that issue that he wanted to be.

Joe Rogan 29:18 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 29:18 And it gave me an opportunity to be seen, even though, uh, uh, in a lot of quarters, initially, negatively, I was also seen as the journalist who pulled that out. Like, I'm the other guy. I'm the guy on the other side of that camera that, yes, created that moment. And I've been doing this long enough to where my fan base, people who know my work, who understand me, they know that, I, I think they know I'm not an idiot, and then I, I like to think they know I'm not a sellout, but they don't really know me, because I'm, I don't ever make it about me. I don't, like, this interview we're having is a, uh, is a unicorn. Like, uh, uh, uh, I've maybe done three, or four, or five of these in my entire life where I'm talking about my perspective on anything. I'm entirely showing up at every press conference, every fight, every weigh-in, every media workout, trying to get something out of the fighter to c- be consumed by the audience in a way that maybe they hadn't seen it before. Not just for the audience's sake, but I want the fighter to get in touch with something. Like, there's so many of these platitude questions and the same old shit and nobody's really, like, digging deep. These aren't one-dimensional characters. These aren't actual bulls. These aren't just gladiators. They're fathers. They're sons. They are like, they have civil rights issues. They have cultural things they're bringing to this thing. They have all, like, depression. We know all the things that fighters go through-

Joe Rogan 30:40 Right.

Radio Rahim 30:41 ... but they only wanna show you one side.

Joe Rogan 30:42 (clears throat)

Radio Rahim 30:42 '... because they don't wanna show any vulnerability. And their fans aren't interested in, like, anything other than who's up and who's down, if that's all you're feeding them.

Joe Rogan 30:49 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 30:50 So I try to get out of the way. I don't wanna get in front of the work. So when people see me in this line, a lot of people are just like, "Oh, this guy must be a fucking Uncle Tom then."

Joe Rogan 30:59 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 30:59 "If Wilder, Rihanna, and Snoop Dogg think so-"

Joe Rogan 31:02 Ugh.

Radio Rahim 31:02 "... clearly that's who this guy is."

Joe Rogan 31:05 Have you talked to Snoop since?

Radio Rahim 31:06 No, (laughs) I didn't talk to Snoop then. He just, like-

Joe Rogan 31:09 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 31:09 He just put it on Instagram. It's just, that's what I'm saying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:11 Oh, no.

Radio Rahim 31:12 (laughs) Uh, but I have talked to Wilder many times since then. And to this guy's credit, never, even, even the, even the 20 minutes after, you're right, we did know each other, we do have a history. And he has now, knowing the moment that he created and knowing what he did to me in that moment-

Joe Rogan 31:31 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 31:31 ... has always been especially gracious. He's always been especially helpful. I can always get access to him. We have a bond now. Like, we share this thing-

Joe Rogan 31:40 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 31:40 ... that's inextricable, no matter what happens, (laughs) you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 31:43 Oh, my goodness.

Radio Rahim 31:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:44 That's amazing.

Radio Rahim 31:46 So, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 It's such ... I don't think there's another boxing interview like that, ever. Ever.

Radio Rahim 31:52 I, I can't think of one.

Joe Rogan 31:52 There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. There's one where, like, remember when Larry Merchant was talking to Floyd Mayweather? He was like-

Radio Rahim 31:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:57 ... "You were 20 years younger ... Or if I was 20 years younger, I'd kick your ass."

Radio Rahim 32:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:01 Remember that?

Radio Rahim 32:01 To me, with all due respect to Larry Merchant, a legend and an icon-

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:05 ... on that microphone, shouldn't have said that.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Of course not. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Radio Rahim 32:09 And it's, not only is it ridiculous, I mean, uh, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:11 It's preposterous. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 32:12 ... (laughs) preposterous.

Joe Rogan 32:12 It's ti- ... You're talking to the best boxer ever.

Radio Rahim 32:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:15 That you would have kicked his ass when you were younger? Oh, really, Larry?

Radio Rahim 32:18 Yeah. (laughs) How old was he gonna be at the time?

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:20 'Cause if-

Joe Rogan 32:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:21 If, if when you were 50, he's probably still an embryo.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:23 At that time, you probably could have kicked his ass.

Joe Rogan 32:26 (laughs) Yeah, when he was four.

Radio Rahim 32:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 Anything after 10, I'm rooting on Floyd.

Radio Rahim 32:31 But, uh, Larry in the moment made it about him. Like, he ... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:34 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:34 And-

Joe Rogan 32:35 Well, he did that a lot, you know?

Radio Rahim 32:36 Right, which is-

Joe Rogan 32:37 He ... Yeah. He, well, he ... It, it, (sighs) if not made it about him, he insulted fighters a lot. There was, there was a lot of that. Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:46 I feel like what Merchant did that people objected to was he had his own standard by which you had to win the fight-

Joe Rogan 32:54 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 32:54 ... and by which you had to get his respect, even if you won-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 32:57 ... that everybody doesn't share. And it's like there's no, uh, you, so-

Joe Rogan 33:02 He existed in a vacuum. This is before the internet.

Radio Rahim 33:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:05 And one of the things I think about internet, um, (clears throat) commentary in the age of the internet is you're accountable. You're accountable in a different way. (coughs) Back then, if you were Howard Cosell or if you were anyone who was commenting on sports, you really could kinda get away with it, other than what radio guys would say about you or journalists would say about you.

Radio Rahim 33:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:24 But the regular person didn't have a say.

Radio Rahim 33:26 They didn't have a voice.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Now, now the regular person has a fuckload to say.

Radio Rahim 33:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:30 (laughs) Trust me, as a commentator, you know? I mean, I know when I've made mistakes, you know? I don't, I don't have to read the comments. I know if I fuck something up.

Radio Rahim 33:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 A- but they'll let me know.

Radio Rahim 33:40 I don't mind. In fact, I encourage a regular person-

Joe Rogan 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 33:43 ... to have something to say. It's these strange motherfuckers that are like ... Really should probably pipe down. Like, w- if you, and you do because you're on YouTube and you're on the internet, the, uh, the amount of comments that are useful or thoughtful or like, "Huh, okay, interesting," 90%, maybe 92. But there's like 8%, that 8% are really just like vitriolic, racist, sexist, b- like violent trolls.

Joe Rogan 34:14 Yeah. Shitposters.

Radio Rahim 34:16 That's a good way to put it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Yeah, that's the expression, sh- shitposting. You never heard that before?

Radio Rahim 34:20 I haven't heard it, but it's wildly accurate.

Joe Rogan 34:23 It's like a Reddit thing, right? 4chan, Reddit?

Narrator 34:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Yeah. That's ... They call it shitposting. Guys do it on purpose. All they're trying to do is get a rise out of you. They're trying to say the most fucked up thing to you-

Radio Rahim 34:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:33 ... to make other people laugh and to get a rise out of you. And if you met them in real life, they'd be like, "I'm sorry, I'm just bored at work."

Radio Rahim 34:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:38 Like, a lot of them, or they're 12.

Radio Rahim 34:40 You know Deontay went and, like, beat a guy up that was-

Joe Rogan 34:44 Oh, well, that guy (clears throat) that he beat up, that guy is fucking crazy. That guy would fight every ... You know, Floyd Mayweather Sr beat his ass.

Radio Rahim 34:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:52 Did you ever see that?

Radio Rahim 34:53 I didn't see that.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah. What is ... What the fuck's his name? Um, Charlie Z- Zel- Zelenoff? That his name?

Narrator 35:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Radio Rahim 35:00 Oh, yeah, that is his name. That-

Joe Rogan 35:02 (clears throat)

Radio Rahim 35:02 ... rings a bell.

Joe Rogan 35:02 Deont- ... I, I ... When I was watching him box Deontay, I'm like, he ... Is this guy out of his fucking mind?

Radio Rahim 35:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:08 And then Deontay was beating his ass outside the ring. He wouldn't let him go.

Radio Rahim 35:11 I support that. I support that.

Joe Rogan 35:12 I support that too.

Radio Rahim 35:13 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Well, that guy's a troll. And he sucker punches people. Like, he tried to sucker punch Floyd Sew- Sr. He was beating ... Uh, Floyd Sr was beating his ass, and he got tired and he quit.

Radio Rahim 35:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:22 And Floyd Sr moved away-

Radio Rahim 35:24 I didn't see this.

Joe Rogan 35:24 ... and he jumped through the ropes and took a wild haymaker swing at him.

Radio Rahim 35:27 Yup.

Joe Rogan 35:27 But I think he's legitimately mentally deranged. Like, there's something wrong with him.

Radio Rahim 35:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 35:32 I did see that. Yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 35:34 So-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Deontay beat the fuck out of him.

Radio Rahim 35:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:36 But-

Radio Rahim 35:37 But those are the people that are like the loudest in the room.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 35:39 They ... A normal person will post a comment, for or against, criticism, or congratulations-

Joe Rogan 35:45 Yes.

Radio Rahim 35:45 ... and kinda leave it at that, maybe like a couple other posts. But that kinda guy, a shitposter-

Joe Rogan 35:49 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 35:50 ... is gonna be every couple of hours, he's gonna be engaging people, he's gonna be all over your thread.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Right.

Radio Rahim 35:55 You know what I mean? And-

Joe Rogan 35:56 Hey, look at this. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 35:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:58 Oh, imagine he ate that left hook and just sat down. I mean, he's, uh, uh, he's s- uh, fortunately he's still alive. But then he still went after him. Like, that was his thing. He would like go, "No, no, no, I'm n- I'm done, I'm done, I'm done." Then he would like run after him.

Radio Rahim 36:11 (laughs)

Narrator 36:12 (coughs)

Radio Rahim 36:12 Right, he, he basically fights like he comments. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:15 Well, he's just a crazy person. There's something wrong with him.

Radio Rahim 36:17 But what do you think ... I think that the, the internet now is to a place where you can drag people, you can change their lives, you can like e- actually put them in harm's way by c- stirring up a fervor around-

Joe Rogan 36:28 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 36:28 ... being violent towards them, that everybody should have to be identified on the internet. I don't believe in this like anonymous posting, shitposters, all this shit.

Joe Rogan 36:36 The problem with that is there's a lot of people that have things to say that are important, they don't wanna suffer consequences at work or their job. They wanna be able to whistle blow and say, "Hey, there's like some safety problems here," or, "There's some sexual harassment here," or, "There's this or that." There's benefits to being anonymous, and then there's negative aspects of it. I th- I see both things.

Radio Rahim 36:55 But, I mean, that person, is that in a comment section though?

Joe Rogan 36:58 This is what I feel like.

Radio Rahim 36:59 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 37:00 I feel like-If someone is saying some horrible shit, then yes. But if someone is just explaining something that's going down, like, there's people that have talked about, like, unfair labor practices or things that are going down at work, and they, they literally have to be anonymous in order to leak this information, particularly if they're talking about someone from another country and they're doing it through a VPN. Like, they have to do it this way. They have to do it anonymously. Otherwise, their life is in danger. And they need to get the word out. Like, there's, like, real crimes taking place. This is a real issue. I see... I, I see your perspective that there's a lot of cunts online-

Radio Rahim 37:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:34 ... and they, they think it's cute. And th- those, those fuckers should be outed.

Radio Rahim 37:38 Yeah. And I think-

Joe Rogan 37:39 (clears throat)

Radio Rahim 37:39 ... uh, I don't... I'm not sure that you should be... Uh, uh, all right. Yeah, I'm not... There are times in which people are, uh, unjustly punished for having reasonable opinions or going against the grain or something like that. But generally, if you say something publicly for public consumption, you should be willing to accept the consequences of that. There's no-

Joe Rogan 38:06 Again, if it's not something where you are putting yourself in danger to expose a crime.

Radio Rahim 38:13 Right. But who's doing that-

Joe Rogan 38:14 Because there's a lot of people doing that.

Radio Rahim 38:14 ... in, like, YouTube comment sections or on my, like, Instagram-

Joe Rogan 38:17 Well, that's different.

Radio Rahim 38:18 ... or Facebook? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:18 No, that's different. But here's the thing, you shouldn't be reading that shit anyway.

Radio Rahim 38:20 Everyone says that. Ah!

Joe Rogan 38:22 I say I don't read it, but most people-

Radio Rahim 38:23 Listen, everyone says that. They're like, "You can't not read it."

Joe Rogan 38:26 (laughs) You say... I don't read it. I don't read shit.

Radio Rahim 38:27 Really?

Joe Rogan 38:27 I don't read a goddamn thing.

Radio Rahim 38:29 When you p- okay, when, when the show goes up-

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yes.

Radio Rahim 38:31 ... whatever show it is, the next experience-

Joe Rogan 38:34 Yes.

Radio Rahim 38:34 ... for the first hour or two, you're not scanning it a little bit?

Joe Rogan 38:37 I don't... Not... No fucking chance. No fucking chance.

Radio Rahim 38:39 Really?

Joe Rogan 38:39 No, I have discipline.

Radio Rahim 38:40 You're not that strong.

Joe Rogan 38:40 I mean, I, I had in the past, like way long ago, but within the last couple of years-

Radio Rahim 38:45 Hmm. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... (clears throat) I don't... It's, it's a waste of time. It's not good for you. And, uh, what are you gonna learn? You're awesome?

Radio Rahim 38:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:54 What are you gonna learn? What are you gonna learn? People love you? If people don't love me by now, like some people don't love me by now, what am I doing wrong? I've been, been doing this fucking show for 10 years. I'm assuming people... some people enjoy it. You know?

Radio Rahim 39:05 Yeah. That's true.

Joe Rogan 39:06 I mean, uh, I enjoy talking to regular folks, like if you said, "Hey, man, I got a lot out of that episode where that doctor talked about this or something," oh, okay, cool. That's awesome. I like that. Those are fun conversations. But just throwing yourself into the wolves of the comments, covering yourself up with fucking blood-

Radio Rahim 39:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:22 ... and just leaping into the pen of wolves.

Radio Rahim 39:24 I, I am willing to throw myself on the fire just to pick out the few little pieces of charcoal that I can use to, like, warm my next interview. Sometimes people w- I mean, like, my... I, I don't consider myself, uh, uh, one of these people who come to an interview with an agenda and I've got a point of view and-

Joe Rogan 39:42 Right.

Radio Rahim 39:42 ... and the fighter has to answer to me.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Right.

Radio Rahim 39:44 More so, I'm gleaning from the audience what it is that they want to know.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 39:50 Or perspectives that they... I may disagree with personally, but I want to present their perspective to people they can't get at or talk to.

Joe Rogan 39:57 Mm-hmm. Okay.

Radio Rahim 39:58 So I have to, like, be listening to what they're saying and understand how they're consuming information in.

Joe Rogan 40:03 But you don't have to be listening to what they're saying about you. (clears throat) Say if you're talking about, you know, you're gonna interview, uh, Canelo or someone through an interpreter, you would... you know, you could... there's plenty of people with perspectives on Canelo. You don't have to listen to anything they have to say about you.

Radio Rahim 40:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:17 It's dangerous.

Radio Rahim 40:18 It's this whole... It's, it's, it's a gum ball.

Joe Rogan 40:18 It's not good. See, but you see this, this, this wrestling match that you're doing inside your head?

Radio Rahim 40:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:22 Everybody does this. Everybody does this. The solution is don't read the comments. When people are saying mean, horrible things about you, just don't read it. Don't read it. Look, if people are talking about you right now in a barber shop somewhere and you don't know-

Radio Rahim 40:34 Yeah. This is true.

Joe Rogan 40:35 ... right? Should you go there so you feel bad?

Radio Rahim 40:37 (laughs) You're gonna listen to every word?

Joe Rogan 40:39 That's basically what you're doing if you're getting into the comments. Look, it's... at a certain point in time, it becomes untenable. And in my life, it's untenable. This is just... the, the, the volume is insane. It's not possible and it's not healthy. And most of it's positive, right? If I, if I go on my Instagram, like, if I looked at comments, I'm sure most of it's positive. But I just post and go. Post and go.

Radio Rahim 41:00 Do people stop you in the streets to give you their opinion? Because you, you call fights and everybody's got an opinion.

Joe Rogan 41:06 I've had co-... you know what? Political comments more than anything, man.

Radio Rahim 41:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:09 I had a fucking guy where I was playing pool and he wanted to talk to me about an Abby Martin interview that I had. "Yeah, you let her off the hook." And I go, "Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh."

Radio Rahim 41:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:17 I'm here to play pool. I'm not here to talk fucking Venezuela with you.

Radio Rahim 41:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:21 I don't know jack shit about Palestine. Like, just leave me alone. I'm here to play pool, bro.

Radio Rahim 41:24 Ah.

Joe Rogan 41:25 I'm like, "This is work." I don't come to your job, right-

Radio Rahim 41:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:27 ... and then fucking talk to you about some shit. Like, don't. Come on. Or, or come to you in the street and talk to you about your job. This is, uh, you know, it's... I, I'm happy to talk to people, but I'm not gonna debate whether or not they're right or I'm wrong or... It's...

Radio Rahim 41:40 But you put so much more of yourself out there. Like-

Joe Rogan 41:43 Yeah. I'm out there plenty.

Radio Rahim 41:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:43 I don't need to be out there any more than that.

Radio Rahim 41:45 (laughs) Yeah. So yeah, they don't know me. Like, I don't put-

Joe Rogan 41:49 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 41:49 ... anything out there like that.

Joe Rogan 41:49 I understand. I understand. Well, you put it out now. Now people will get you.

Radio Rahim 41:52 So, so here we are. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:53 When people get that, you know, the way you explained it backstage when we were, uh, at the Comedy Store, I was laughing so hard because it was, it was so funny, like, you... like, the emotions of it all, like, you explaining what it was like. Like, of course I fucking know what he's saying.

Radio Rahim 42:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:08 I was trying to get him to explain it to people who might not understand his personal perspective.

Radio Rahim 42:14 Yeah. And it's... it was... it's still such a big part-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 42:17 ... now of my identity-

Joe Rogan 42:18 Yes.

Radio Rahim 42:19 ... that, uh, it can't be understated how big... one minute.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 42:25 (clears throat) That thing was one minute on Instagram. And it's the way that a lot of people identify me, like I say, more... they say to this day-

Joe Rogan 42:32 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 42:32 ... more than they say my name.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 42:34 And it's also his most famous clip.

Joe Rogan 42:38 Un- unquestionably.

Radio Rahim 42:38 Including the-

Joe Rogan 42:40 Knockouts.

Radio Rahim 42:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 42:41 40 knockouts. Still.

Joe Rogan 42:43 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 42:44 They care more about that than those.

Joe Rogan 42:46 But you have to look at it this way, I think. I mean, you don't have to, but this is my perspective. This thing that can abuse us, the internet, with comments and 15-year-old assholes saying mean-

Radio Rahim 42:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:57 ... shit to you, what it also is, is an avenue for you to put your stuff out there that would not have existed before. Before, you would have had to been hired by CBS or ABC or whoever.

Radio Rahim 43:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Name it. You don't have to be hired by anybody anymore. But the other side of that is the comment section. Now you can be one of those guys that turns the comment section off, but (smacks lips) man, I don't think that's a good idea.

Radio Rahim 43:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 I don't think that's a good idea either. Uh, we accidentally had the comment section turned off back when we used to stream-'Cause we were streaming live and it wasn't that we turned it off, but we had it of, we had the chat off on the streaming 'cause people would just like-

Radio Rahim 43:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:38 ... say a bunch of rude shit just so that other people had to read it while the podcast was going on. I'm like, "Look at, these people are just taking-"

Radio Rahim 43:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:43 "... advantage of us." So, but something happened when we flipped it over to live, there was a bug. And for, how long was it that it did that, Jamie? Where the comments were turned off?

Radio Rahim 43:53 I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 43:54 It wasn't that long, but it was long enough for people to freak the fuck out. And I'm like, "Hey, hey, hey. I'm not turning any comments off. Like, you fucking say-"

Radio Rahim 44:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:01 "... whatever you wanna say. I'm not reading it, but you say whatever the fuck you wanna say. Go have fun."

Radio Rahim 44:07 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 44:08 So this, this medium, this, uh, avenue for putting out content never existed before. It exists now. But also, people's ability to comment exists. And I think most people are rational. Most people, the vast majority, are just commenting on it. They might disagree with you, they might think you suck, they might-

Radio Rahim 44:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:27 ... tell you why you suck, but they're pretty rational. They're like, "Man, he just talks about himself," or, "He does this," or, "He has to bring it back to that," or, "He blah, blah, blah." You know, there's, there's gonna be people having their perspectives and then they debate those perspectives with other people in the thread. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's gonna be a certain percentage that are out of their fucking mind, or they're 15 and they're angry and, you know, like, I was just talking about this in the last podcast with my friend Justin Martindale, I was like, "When I was 15, man, thank God Twitter wasn't a thing."

Radio Rahim 44:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:56 "I would've said the dumbest shit."

Radio Rahim 44:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:57 "I would've, I would've found celebrities and I would've said mean shit to them. I would-"

Radio Rahim 45:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:01 "... I mean, I would've, I would've been, I was a fucked up kid."

Radio Rahim 45:03 And they'd be digging those tweets up now-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Oh, my goodness.

Radio Rahim 45:05 ... and, like, canceling you.

Joe Rogan 45:06 Yes.

Radio Rahim 45:06 Today. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 Well, they're doing that to kids now that get gigs and then they're finding their tweets when they were 17 and 18 years old.

Radio Rahim 45:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:12 And now they're 24.

Radio Rahim 45:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:14 Like, hey, that's a different fucking human being, man. Like, we need a path to redemption for people. And Twitter and Facebook and all these con- these, these comments that are permanently on the record, they make it really difficult for kids. I would not wanna be in high school today with a Twitter account saying the dumbest fucking shit in the world and then having that come back to haunt me when I want a job someday.

Radio Rahim 45:36 Right, you don't know what the world's gonna be like-

Joe Rogan 45:38 Right.

Radio Rahim 45:38 ... in 15 years.

Joe Rogan 45:39 No one knew.

Radio Rahim 45:40 And hopefully you're not the same as you were 15 years ago. If anything-

Joe Rogan 45:43 Of course.

Radio Rahim 45:43 ... let's commend the person that doesn't look-

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yes.

Radio Rahim 45:45 ... anything like they looked when they were 15 today.

Joe Rogan 45:48 But we don't want that. They, nobody wants that. You know, there's a thing with comedy, right? Where you have to leave your town 'cause they won't appreciate you. They only-

Radio Rahim 45:57 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 45:57 ... they remember you when you sucked.

Radio Rahim 45:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:59 Like, when I lived in Boston when I started out as an open mic, I was fucking terrible. Everybody's terrible when they start. I was terrible. And so they thought I was terrible. And then I le- I had to leave. I had to leave, even though I'd gotten better, they still thought I was terrible. I had to leave and I had to get TV shows and then come back. And then they're like, "Oh yeah, you got better."

Radio Rahim 46:16 (laughs) He, he's okay.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 46:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:18 But the people that you would go to Pittsburgh, they never saw it before. They're like, "You're hilarious." I'm like, "Thank you, Bo- tell the people in Boston, would you?"

Radio Rahim 46:24 But what about the internet for comedians? Like, like the kind of thing that you do developing bits and having to have an opportunity to put them on stage before everybody sees them and like you say, they see the joke at all different stages. How can you create a bit on the road with as much internet, as many people like posting your jokes, as much-

Joe Rogan 46:43 Most people don't. Believe it or not, most people are cool about it. Sometimes it, sh- sets get leaked, like Louis C.K.'s set, like that was a big deal.

Radio Rahim 46:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Tha- the, and that was, he hadn't done stand up in 10 months and then they put it o- Most comedy fans don't wanna ruin it for everybody else. Most.

Radio Rahim 46:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:57 Most. If you're a real comedy fan, like if you go see Dave and he's working some shit out at the store, you're not gonna film it and put it online. Most people are not gonna do that.

Radio Rahim 47:06 Yeah I mean, there's no better e- example for me than Dave Chappelle on like How To Do It.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 47:12 I mean, that, that's how we met at The Comedy Store, you and I.

Joe Rogan 47:15 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 47:15 Uh, you know, I mean, obviously Dave's my best friend and I've watched him like m- like walk through these minefields-

Joe Rogan 47:23 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 47:24 ... of all this shit. And the m- the main thing he likes to say is like, you know, "Live right now." Like, live in the moment.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 47:30 Put your phones away and just like be present.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 47:32 And all that. And I've never seen a guy other than him be able to convince an entire room of people, I don't even mean at his own show, like he'll pop up somewhere.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 47:42 Where everybody's already got their phones out, they're like filming Mayer or The Roots or whatever it is that they came to see. Dave will come out and be like, "Put those damn phones away."

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 47:51 "Let's have a minute, let's make a memory." And put an entire room of people-

Joe Rogan 47:55 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 47:55 ... can stuff those phones in their pockets.

Joe Rogan 47:57 But even Dave, like when we do, when Dave and I do gigs on the road, we use those Vero bags. What do, no, what is it called?

Radio Rahim 48:02 Yondr.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yondr, Yondr bags. What is Vero?

Radio Rahim 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Oh, I'm so-

Radio Rahim 48:05 But he even started that.

Joe Rogan 48:06 I'm talking about something else.

Radio Rahim 48:06 Like I, I think-

Joe Rogan 48:07 Yeah, Yondr bags.

Radio Rahim 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 No, we've been doing, I've been doing Yondr bags for years. And they, they, the first time I ever used them, the Denver Comedy Works actually started using them independently. And the first time I had heard about them, (blows raspberry) it was like, it's been a few years, but comics like Ali Wong, she uses them in all her shows.

Radio Rahim 48:26 Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:26 I used them a lot up until my last Netflix special, then I got tired of using them. It's just like, I'm like, "I don't wanna tell people to put their fucking phone away." You know, the most hilarious thing was Miami, 'cause Miami is, is such a party town, right? And half the audience is probably coked up and it was the only audience-

Radio Rahim 48:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:43 ... when they had the Yondr bags where they just kept getting up and going outside 'cause they wanted to use their phone. They didn't just sit down and enjoy the show. Most places, the 99.99999% everybody just sits down and they go, "All right, my phone's in a bag, now let me just enjoy the show." And it makes the show better. In Miami, the whole audience is people getting up and going out and coming back. Getting up, going out and coming back.

Radio Rahim 49:03 Ah.

Joe Rogan 49:03 And they go to get-

Radio Rahim 49:04 They wanna go to the bathroom. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:04 They go to get, to the bathroom-

Radio Rahim 49:05 Get a Coke.

Joe Rogan 49:05 ... either to do coke or to fucking get their phone out of their bag.

Radio Rahim 49:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Because they're, they're trying to get pussy or whatever the fuck they're trying to do.

Radio Rahim 49:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:12 They're just wild people.

Radio Rahim 49:13 They, if they're coming back, you're doing your job. If Miami keeps coming back, you're good.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Yeah. Well they would, they would definitely keep coming back, but it was just like, it's hilarious how, what the culture of Miami is so different than anywhere else. They're such wild people. That, that is like, you, you, you should have a, to have a passport to go to Miami. And I don't mean because like people there are from other countries-And some of them are, but it's because the culture is different. The white people there-

Radio Rahim 49:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:38 ... the, the, the Latinos, everyone's different there. Miami is like visiting another country. It really is.

Radio Rahim 49:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:43 It's a wild-ass place.

Radio Rahim 49:46 I was in Miami for the, essentially the first time over Super Bowl. It was like the first time-

Joe Rogan 49:50 Oh, it's a wild place, man.

Radio Rahim 49:51 ... (laughs) I actually spent any time there.

Joe Rogan 49:53 Did you go to South Beach?

Radio Rahim 49:54 Uh, I went to South Beach. I went downtown.

Joe Rogan 49:57 It's a wild fucking place, man.

Radio Rahim 49:59 But it's so cool. I feel like every... And I didn't do like the party-party scene, even though it was Super Bowl. I like went the other way with it. I was so, like, kinda drained already. I was like, "You know what? I'm just gonna relax in Miami while everybody else is turnt to, like, 12."

Joe Rogan 50:14 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 50:15 (laughs) It's one of the coolest places I've ever been.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 50:18 Like-

Joe Rogan 50:18 Great food, man. You... The, the most fantastic Cuban food you'll ever find. A lot of Carib- Caribbean food. And just, like, the women are so beautiful too. It's like, it's a crazy place. It's a crazy place.

Radio Rahim 50:30 One thing-

Joe Rogan 50:30 It really does feel like another country.

Radio Rahim 50:32 ... I do love about this phone thing and, like, people sharing so much is, like, when I talk about the different cultures in combat sports, like, that gives me access to... E- everybody, everybody being on their phones, like, the one thing that's everywhere is YouTube. So, uh, I don't know if you know this, but, uh, like you said, there was a time when the only way you could have a voice or certainly comment on boxing or MMA or sports is if you got hired by a major network that had a reach where people could see you.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Right.

Radio Rahim 51:01 Somebody has to die for you to get that job.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Right. Right. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 51:04 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:04 Larry Marchionne has to retire.

Radio Rahim 51:05 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 51:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Radio Rahim 51:07 But I came up in an age in the, uh... At the very beginning of YouTube, I was training at Wild Card Boxing Gym. And I'm a teenager training there. The, the, the gym is, uh, fairly, fairly new. And I had... It was still, like, mini-DV days. And I had a camera that I would use to shoot sparring sessions. And because Freddie has a gym where there are world championship fighters preparing for title fights on television, the class of fighter that's in there on any given day sparring are, like, main event ticket-selling marquee guys. And I'm in there shooting their sparring session, any, you know, any... Name anybody vers anybody, and I'm using the money I'm making selling the sparring footage back to the fighters to pay my gym dues.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Wow.

Radio Rahim 51:56 That's how I started, is, like, in-

Joe Rogan 51:59 So that's how you got into journalism.

Radio Rahim 52:01 ... filming boxing. Yeah. B- but... Okay, I... It's a, it's an interesting story.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Commentating?

Radio Rahim 52:05 Because I was doing broadcasting since 10th grade. I was, like, at a performing arts high school. We had a radio station in the basement. It's like a coming-of-age, like, '80s movie or some shit.

Joe Rogan 52:16 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 52:16 Like, you know-

Joe Rogan 52:16 Christian Slater.

Radio Rahim 52:17 ... I'd blow the dust... Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 52:18 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 52:18 Blow the dust off the equipment, like, ask the faculty, "Can I do a show?" And so I'm covering, like, headline news and whatever a fucking 10th grader thinks is important and who won the football game and, you know, this kind of shit. But I always thought that, you know, I'm gonna be a talk radio guy. Never sports, though. I've been training boxing since fifth grade, but never did I, like, did I think the two shall meet. Except that I'm now... I've, I've moved to LA right after high school. I'm in Freddie Roach's boxing gym. I'm training. Can't... Barely afford dues, so I gotta come up with a way to do that. I start shooting sparring sessions. And, and this, this is like, uh, James Toney is still fighting.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Oh.

Radio Rahim 52:54 Okay? We're on the... We're in the sunset of his career, but he's still the man. And there's a guy named Danny Green who is a Australian fighter, wildly famous there, but doesn't have, like, global audience. He wants to fight James. There's no real money in it for James. But if you know James Toney, this is no shrinking violet. This man is, like, insane. He was, like, Wilder turnt up to, like... I- if... If "to this day" was every day, that was James Toney at Wild Card Boxing Gym, right? So this guy flies from Australia, walks into the gym. And you know what a sacred place those are. Like, if the, the main fighter at any gym, the guy who, like, is the, the representation of the toughest dude in that-

Joe Rogan 53:36 The top dog.

Radio Rahim 53:36 Yeah, the top dog. You don't just walk into that guy's gym and start talking shit.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Especially with James Toney.

Radio Rahim 53:42 Especially with James Toney.

Joe Rogan 53:44 No one talked more shit than James Toney.

Radio Rahim 53:46 (laughs) Right. But-

Joe Rogan 53:46 He'll talk shit in the middle of a round, right?

Radio Rahim 53:49 (laughs) Exactly. Famous for it.

Joe Rogan 53:50 All throughout, all throughout rounds.

Radio Rahim 53:52 This guy comes to the James gym, starts talking shit. James is like, "Get in the ring right now. Your last 10 rounds, I'll fight you anywhere. You can get in the fight." He takes, takes the challenge, gets in there, gets the shit beat out of him for, like, eight rounds just... Ugh, just pummeled. I'm shooting the thing. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 54:08 This is it right here.

Radio Rahim 54:09 Oh! Wh- Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:11 Look at this.

Radio Rahim 54:11 First of all, I am wildly impressed that you came up with this.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Oh, Jamie's the GOAT.

Radio Rahim 54:14 I don't even know where to find this.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Look how good he looks too. James looks good.

Radio Rahim 54:17 I'm shooting this. I-

Joe Rogan 54:19 Oh, my goodness.

Radio Rahim 54:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:20 And this is James in his prime. He looked like he was a fucking heavyweight. Look at the size of him.

Radio Rahim 54:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Was James heavyweight at this point? Was cruiserweight?

Radio Rahim 54:28 I, I think he was cruiserweight.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Cruiserweight.

Radio Rahim 54:28 He was still cruiserweight.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Goddamn, he's huge.

Radio Rahim 54:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:32 He's on all the Mexican supplements. Look at the size of him.

Radio Rahim 54:35 Oh, man, that's so funny. I ha- I probably haven't seen this footage in I don't even know how many years.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Dude, James is fucking him up.

Radio Rahim 54:43 Okay, but the point being that at this time there really wasn't any boxing press to speak of.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Keep that playing. Keep that playing.

Radio Rahim 54:53 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 54:54 This is great.

Radio Rahim 54:54 ESPN might-

Joe Rogan 54:56 Right.

Radio Rahim 54:56 ... give you a highlight of De La Hoya. You might get a Mike Tyson knockout clip.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Right.

Radio Rahim 55:00 But there's nobody sitting around talking boxing. There's no place to see fighters training. There's no websites for fights. And, uh, after this thing got done, I'm like, "Hey, you know, Danny Green doesn't want it. He just got the shit beat out of him. James Toney doesn't care about it at all. So I'm just gonna go home and record over it." And-

Joe Rogan 55:21 Oh.

Radio Rahim 55:21 (laughs) Yeah, because this is my, this is my side hustle. I need... Listen, man, I... You, you know, I'm a very young man at this time. I need every VHS tape I can use. I need every mini-DV I can use to keep m- uh, the money in my pocket. I can't just be stockpiling footage nobody wants. But before I get a chance to tape over it-... I get a call from a site called Max Boxing. And at that time, they were like, pretty much the only, uh, boxing website.

Joe Rogan 55:48 What year is this?

Radio Rahim 55:50 Huh?

Joe Rogan 55:51 What year is this?

Radio Rahim 55:51 I wanna say this is probably close to 2000.

Joe Rogan 55:54 Wow.

Radio Rahim 55:55 Um, yeah, about 2000. And they say, "Hey, we heard Danny Green came down to Wild Card." And they had, like, this brutal sparring session, like, you know.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Look how much bigger James is.

Radio Rahim 56:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:07 He's so much bigger.

Radio Rahim 56:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:09 Like, they don't even look like they're nearly in the same weight class. James looks like he's 20 pounds heavier than him.

Radio Rahim 56:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Doesn't he?

Radio Rahim 56:14 Yeah, well, of course he does. But, you know, I mean, uh, by weigh-in day, he'll get down. But this is how, this is how James, like, rocked. Every day, like, uh, he'd be just banging guys.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 56:26 Talking shit, beating them up, talking shit. And, uh, it... So this... Even though now, looking back, of course, it's like amazing footage. But at the time, this could be any given Wednesday. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:37 Right.

Radio Rahim 56:38 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah, it happened there all the time. You know, um, he used to spar with Mickey Rourke.

Radio Rahim 56:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:43 And that's one of the reasons why Mickey Rourke had h- had to get his face worked on, apparently.

Radio Rahim 56:47 Yeah, Mickey Rourke used to come into Wild Card.

Joe Rogan 56:49 And he used to spar James, which is like-

Radio Rahim 56:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 ... someone needed to talk to him.

Radio Rahim 56:53 (laughs) You're like, "What are you thinking?"

Joe Rogan 56:55 Like, "Hey, Mickey, come here, come here. Look at me, look at me, look at me. No."

Radio Rahim 56:57 Oh, there's McEl- Foley. Geez, man.

Joe Rogan 57:00 Wow.

Radio Rahim 57:00 Ah, God rest his soul.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Look at all these people gathered around.

Radio Rahim 57:03 Um, (sighs) so what ultimately ended up happening was I got a little bidding war going for this video. It was such, like, a hot piece. And I, uh, got it up to like-

Joe Rogan 57:15 Looks like Danny's in pretty fucking good shape. And James is getting tired. Was there moments in this where James looked really tired?

Radio Rahim 57:21 The thing about James Toney at this time, he always looked really tired. He always seemed like he was being lazy. He's always leaning on fighters. But what you can't hear is the thud of those shots. Like he's just turning shit over.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Can we hear some volume, Jamie?

Radio Rahim 57:36 And it's duh, duh.

Deontay Wilder 57:41 Come on, paper champ.

Joe Rogan 57:42 "Come on, paper champ."

Deontay Wilder 57:43 Come on, paper champ.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Is that James? (laughs)

Radio Rahim 57:45 (laughs)

Deontay Wilder 57:48 Come on, fighter. All right, yeah. Push.

Radio Rahim 57:55 Think about it, James. Think about it.

Joe Rogan 57:57 You can hear Freddie in the background talking to him.

Deontay Wilder 58:03 Come on, paper champion. See that? It's okay, paper weight. Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:13 So they went eight rounds like this?

Radio Rahim 58:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:16 And then what happened at the end of it? Still, he's... Danny Green still seems like he's kind of in it.

Radio Rahim 58:23 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 58:24 No?

Radio Rahim 58:24 I mean, he, he...

Joe Rogan 58:25 In the beginning, it looked like James was fucking him up.

Radio Rahim 58:28 Yeah, I mean, he... Like Danny had spots where he's connecting, but at no point during... And mind you, his face is getting bloodier.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Right.

Radio Rahim 58:35 Like the shots d- that, that James were throwing are consistently heavier. And James is just having an easy time with him. It's not like anything that Danny's doing is making an impression.

Joe Rogan 58:47 So how did they end it?

Radio Rahim 58:48 It was just over, like d- like, Danny had enough, like-

Joe Rogan 58:52 Oh, dead it there.

Radio Rahim 58:53 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 58:53 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 58:54 And this became Gym Wars. What I did with this footage ultimately was I took it and went to an editor named Brian Hardy, who was an editor for Max Boxing at the time. And he got Doug Fischer, who's now the editor-in-chief of Ring Magazine, and I to commentate that footage as though you're watching it on HBO.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Oh, wow.

Radio Rahim 59:17 Right? So, uh, d- uh, Doug's doing the color. I'm calling the fight, like, and like I'm the Lampley and he's the Kellerman. And we showed the whole thing. I talked about the context of what had happened, like I told you, and we're calling the, the fight. And this show, Gym Wars, blew up. It was like the first big boxing sh- like thing on the internet at all. And so I would go around to different gyms and get fighters and, and they all started at Wild Card. And then I would branch out and get fighters to agree, let me shoot the sessions and turn it into a v- a show called Gym Wars. And so this foot-... Like the way these guys now get their, like, phones and their cameras and they go interview fighters and all this shit, I started that. That wasn't a thing before I started doing it. I'm the one who created this, like, medium by which you now receive boxing news.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Wow.

Radio Rahim 1:00:12 So, um, my entire career and trajectory in life was changed at a boxing gym and never to look back. And-

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Were you a fighter at one point in time?

Radio Rahim 1:00:24 Never.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Never?

Radio Rahim 1:00:25 Never. Always ti-

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 You just used to train?

Radio Rahim 1:00:26 Always trained since, since fifth grade, always training. It's taken incredibly seriously. I've heard you talk about this too, and it's... It couldn't be more true. This was a way for me to release, like, all of those young man angst.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 1:00:40 All that frustration. It's really my therapy. I could barely afford gym dues, you know I can't afford therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Right. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:00:47 (laughs) Boxing was that. It was like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Right.

Radio Rahim 1:00:49 ... an integral part of my life. I spent hours in the gym to where I had to figure out a way to make some money there, so I could continue to eat and pay for it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:00:56 And that was my way of doing it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Ah.

Radio Rahim 1:00:58 Um, and so be- interviewing fighters is now, like, my claim to fame, because everybody thinks they're reinventing the wheel now. You can't shoot anybody sparring or anything like that. So that show had to go away. But the way that I relate to and understand fighters and what it is like that's inside them, that's, that they're experiencing, that's driving them, I think is unique, because although I would never ever classify myself as a fighter, that's such a, uh, a unique and, and cherished like banner that you can really hold if that's really what you do, I'm a lawyer too. You know what I mean? Like I've, I... In my own way, I forged a career. I created something that didn't exist and I had to fight every step along the way to make it a thing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 So d- is this something while you were doing it, you were realizing like, "I'm making a career out of talking about boxing"? Were you doing that? Or were you thinking, "Well, I'm doing this for now, and I'm gonna do something else"?

Radio Rahim 1:01:55 ... I, I kept doing what was working.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Oh.

Radio Rahim 1:01:59 You know what I mean? And I, at- at times I thought about doing something else, but never did I spend as much time thinking about or applying myself to anything else.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Mm.

Radio Rahim 1:02:11 So yeah, other things would come up, but every, but it, it all would bring, it would always come back to this. I would always go back to the gym.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 'Cause Dave is a crazy boxing fan too, and I remember Dave talked to me at one point in time about the three of us doing something. This is a while back, right?

Radio Rahim 1:02:25 Strap Season. Dave and I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:02:28 ... have a show (laughs) called Strap Season. And the best way I could describe it is it's like a, the Anthony Bourdain of boxing, if you will. As I've said, I go all over the world covering fights.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 1:02:42 Every community of, uh, combat sports has its own culture. Every fighter's got his own story. Every fight's got its own narrative that's connected to another fight that's connected to another fight that's got a historical point of view. And that's how I see the world of combat sports. Like, that's how I see boxing. It's through that lens that this show exists. And you're right. Dave's a phenomenal boxing fan. He knows his shit. He goes to the fights. He takes his whole crew to the fights, buys everybody ringside tickets. Like, we talk for hours on the phone about any and every fight that's upcoming. And we met in Macau at a Pacquiao/Rios.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Wow. Brandon Rios?

Radio Rahim 1:03:26 Yeah, the first, that's what... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 That was in Macau?

Radio Rahim 1:03:28 That's, yeah, that was in Macau. It was Rios and then, um, uh, Algieri. He fought Algieri as well.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 That was a mismatch.

Radio Rahim 1:03:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 The Brandon Rios just, like... He's a good fighter, like a tough guy. But man, that's a fight where you really saw how great Pacquiao is.

Radio Rahim 1:03:42 Seven knockdowns.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Dude, he-

Radio Rahim 1:03:43 And that's when they let him out of the cage.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 He just lit-

Radio Rahim 1:03:45 Remember that shit? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 He just lit him up. He just lit him up. That was crazy.

Radio Rahim 1:03:50 And, uh, you know, Pacquiao's been doing it, just did it, uh, recently to Keith Thurman.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 I know.

Radio Rahim 1:03:54 You keep wanting to write this guy off, you keep like, "Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 40 years old.

Radio Rahim 1:03:56 ... gotta be it. Like he can't do that again."

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 When he did that step in right hook over the shoulder and dropped-

Radio Rahim 1:04:00 Bro.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 ... Thurman, I was like, "Holy shit."

Radio Rahim 1:04:02 Bro. And mind you, that guy is why Wild Card Boxing Gym with, uh, of course, including Freddie Roach, is the most-

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 On the map.

Radio Rahim 1:04:13 ... famous gym, I would say, in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:04:15 Even, I would say even more famous in this day than even Glea- Gleason's.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 I think you're right.

Radio Rahim 1:04:20 But the first time I interviewed Manny Pacquiao was at the Vagabond Hotel, which is now torn down 'cause it was condemned, (laughs) next door to the gym on a radi- on a- a- a- an air conditioner, one of those protruding air conditioners from the wall, with seven other guys in his hotel room, all living in the hotel room. It's me and Manny Pacquiao like on an air conditioner doing a one-on-one.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 He doesn't, he have that thing where like if he does, he has a house out here, he'll have like 20 dudes living with him?

Radio Rahim 1:04:49 Yeah. Yeah. And this is the most generous, like, guy I've ever known in my life. Like, Ma- Manny Pacquiao does things that just defy reason. Like you, as nice as it is, you wanna like shake him, like "Yo."

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:05:01 Not 100 people on the private plane.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:05:04 (laughs) Like, you know, buy the normal tickets.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Like, he has to keep fighting probably just to keep up that payroll.

Radio Rahim 1:05:10 I- I, yeah, I guess he's gotta keep fighting, he's gotta be a senator-

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:05:13 ... he's gotta, you know, endorse the cas- pistachio nuts, he's gotta do everything-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:05:17 ... because he ke- it's like water. Like he wants to feed the people, he wants to be that guy, and it's genuine.

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 And he is, he really is an outlet. Like he, the money will f- flow through him if he keeps going.

Radio Rahim 1:05:27 That's right. That's right. So you, you just got to imagine me meeting, of all people, Dave Chappelle, of all places, in China, in Macau, 'cause he's there for a fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 So Dave flew in for the fight?

Radio Rahim 1:05:40 Flew in, flew his family in. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 Jesus.

Radio Rahim 1:05:43 ... you know, the Chappelles (laughs) were there-

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Wow.

Radio Rahim 1:05:46 ... uh, for the fight. And that, and now that I know him well, that's not unusual at all. Like, he does that for bo- he loves boxing to that degree.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Mm.

Radio Rahim 1:05:55 So we spent, like I said, hours just talking about boxing on the phone, and when we get together we have these dinners for, on fight night, and we're like, "You know what? This is something that could be something." And we ended up shooting for like two years of following me around, um, the- the dinners we had, uh, countless people at these dinners. Uh, Michael Buffer, uh, we wanted you, we still want you. Like, these things that you know and I know about combat sports, about this community of fighters is something that I don't think anybody else could do. Like, you have to be a part of that conversation, because you're really the only one who can talk about it from the perspective that you do. I know a lot of people... Okay, so (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 There you guys are looking up.

Radio Rahim 1:06:40 Yeah, I know a lot of people that comment on MMA, as I'm sure you do. I know a lot of people that comment on boxing. I don't know people who dedicate themselves to the community, to the sport, to the, the spirit of it like you do, like I do. And that's what makes it unique. There's a, there's a, there's a, a lens through which you can see this shit that really a very, very few people can show you. You're that guy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Well, those people, like particularly the MMA people, they demand it. You can't, you can't be a casual observer of MMA. You can't.

Radio Rahim 1:07:12 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 They won't allow it.

Radio Rahim 1:07:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 (laughs) If you don't know what the fuck you're talk- you saw what happened with Stephen A. Smith recently?

Radio Rahim 1:07:19 I did.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Yeah, that's, that's what happens, man. You know, and part of it is like, you know, Luke Thomas had an interesting... He's a really good, uh, MMA journalist, he had a really interesting take on it where he's saying that part of it is that there's a thing in this sport where they don't want outsiders. Like people that cover other sports, like, "No, no, no, you don't know this sport." But if you do jump in, goddamn, you gotta know what the fuck you're talking about.

Radio Rahim 1:07:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 You gotta really know what the fuck you're talking about. And Stephen's thing is being entertaining and be- being dismissive of people and, you know, kinda in an arrogant way, and, and, you know, insulting. You know, that's his thing. I mean, he creates controversy. That controversy creates a lot of people watching and paying attention.... that shit does not fly in MMA. Those, these guys are literally fighting for their life. I mean, they literally are moments from death at m- several times in cer- certain fights. There's moments where guys are out cold and you see a guy dropping an elbow on their face and smashing their orbital bone before the referee can get to them. You can't make fun of those guys in that way. You can't, you can't talk shit about them. They're not gonna allow it.

Radio Rahim 1:08:25 That's correct, nor should they.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Yeah, no.

Radio Rahim 1:08:26 There's five fighters that we know about that have succumbed to injuries in the ring-

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 And died, yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:08:32 ... and died just last year.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:08:34 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Different.

Radio Rahim 1:08:35 ... you can't bring your shtick-

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 Right.

Radio Rahim 1:08:37 ... to this shit.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 Right, right.

Radio Rahim 1:08:38 And, and it, and I don't think it's, um-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Save that for sports with balls.

Radio Rahim 1:08:42 (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:08:43 Save that for sports-

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Or-

Radio Rahim 1:08:43 ... countdown shows and-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 Well, sports where people hit each other are different, man.

Radio Rahim 1:08:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 They're just different, you know what I mean?

Radio Rahim 1:08:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 They're just ... it's a different thing. Like, boxing, like, the reason why Deontay was so amped up and wild before that fight, you're not gonna see a basketball player like that four days before the NBA Finals. They'll be tuned up and ready to go, but they'll be c- they're not ready to go to war, right?

Radio Rahim 1:09:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 They're, they're literally putting their fucking health on the line. It's a different thing.

Radio Rahim 1:09:08 Yeah. Uh, you know, of course, we respect all sports, but-

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 Yes, for sure.

Radio Rahim 1:09:12 ... this kind-

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 It's different.

Radio Rahim 1:09:13 ... of, uh, risk that you're taking-

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 Yes.

Radio Rahim 1:09:17 ... and the n- the individuality of it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 Mm-hmm.

Radio Rahim 1:09:19 Even though you got a guy in the ring, you got a cut man, you got, you know, somebody to work in your-

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 Oh, yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:09:23 ... your corner, it really is just you out there-

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Just you, just you.

Radio Rahim 1:09:26 ... when that bell rings. And you're not just fighting the guy you're looking at.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Right.

Radio Rahim 1:09:31 You're fighting the guy inside you that wants to quit.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 Yep.

Radio Rahim 1:09:33 You're fighting the guy inside you that thinks that last punch really hurt.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:09:36 You're fighting the guy inside you that's like, "You know, I probably made enough money, I don't probably need to do this shit anymore."

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:09:40 Like, your own demons.

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 Yep.

Radio Rahim 1:09:43 Everything that goes into not just being a successful fighter, but being a respected fighter, a fighter at all. The ... You remember that? I don't know if everyone's seen that clip with the guy climbing through the ropes, the bell rang, he climbed outta the ropes and walked back-

Joe Rogan 1:09:56 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:09:57 ... into the locker room. There, there's a little bit of that in everybody and you're fighting him too.

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:10:01 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 What was that about? Wasn't that, like, some contract dispute or something though?

Radio Rahim 1:10:06 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 They felt like they were fucking him over?

Radio Rahim 1:10:08 Oh, I-

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 So he did that?

Radio Rahim 1:10:09 From what I understand, he went back there and asked for his money. (laughs) Like, he went back there and asked for his money.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 Oh, so he thought that because he got in the ring, he could get paid?

Radio Rahim 1:10:16 The bell rang and he got out, he could still get his money. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 What?

Radio Rahim 1:10:19 That's what I heard. I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:20 Oh my God, that's hilarious.

Radio Rahim 1:10:22 (laughs) But that guy could never fight again. Not-

Joe Rogan 1:10:25 No.

Radio Rahim 1:10:25 Y- you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 Right. Nobody would ever trust him again. Go through a full camp preparing for that guy.

Radio Rahim 1:10:30 No. No.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 I mean, imagine being his opponent w- seeing him walk out and you're like, "What?"

Radio Rahim 1:10:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 "What's happening here?"

Radio Rahim 1:10:36 It, it, it, it-

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 And he don't even get paid now.

Radio Rahim 1:10:39 Y- you can't criticize somebody as though they are just doing what you're doing because, "Oh, I, I'm, I'm talking, I got a job. I'm a, I'm an important guy."

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:10:51 "I'm at this level and shit. So-"

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 No.

Radio Rahim 1:10:53 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:10:55 We're doing the same thing essentially-

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 Yeah, we're both on TV. (laughs)

Radio Rahim 1:11:00 (laughs) It's, it's, it's not that, man.

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 It's not.

Radio Rahim 1:11:03 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:11:03 No.

Radio Rahim 1:11:03 ... and, and so the, the kinda love that you have for combat sports, the kinda love that you have for what it is that you comment on-

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 Yeah.

Radio Rahim 1:11:09 ... it comes through 'cause you do it.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 But I've been doing it almost half my life now, in terms-

Radio Rahim 1:11:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:14 ... of commenting on it. I've been doing martial arts since I was a fucking baby ba- basically.

Radio Rahim 1:11:19 And that's it.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 You know? But, uh, when you see combat sports today and you see, like,