Chip Conley: Why midlife is a chrysalis, not a crisis

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August 3, 2025

Duration

1h 19m

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Lenny's Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Chip Conley is the founder of Joie de Vivre hotels, the second-largest boutique hotel brand in the world. At age 52, he joined Airbnb as Head of Global Hospitality and Strategy, reporting to CEO Brian Chesky, who was 21 years younger. He earned the title of Airbnb’s “Modern Elder” by guiding the young founders on leadership and culture while learning Silicon Valley’s tech mindset himself. Today, Chip leads the Modern Elder Academy, the world’s first midlife wisdom school, and is the author of best-selling books like Wisdom@Work and Peak. He champions the idea that age and experience are assets—and that midlife can be a launchpad for renewed purpose and impact. *In this conversation, we discuss:*

1. The reality of Brian Chesky in “founder mode”—the good, bad, and stressful
2. How Chip went from running 52 boutique hotels to becoming Airbnb’s in-house mentor in his 50s
3. The “mentor and intern” mindset: how to simultaneously teach others and stay curious like a beginner
4. Why AI might actually favor older workers (hint: human wisdom vs. artificial intelligence)
5. His framework for navigating midlife transitions and finding meaning after 40
6. Specific tactics for older professionals to thrive in tech companies
7. Surprising data that midlife is often the happiest time of life—and how to leverage your 40s, 50s, and beyond
8. Chip’s formula for managing anxiety and fear (and how to regain control when worry strikes)

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipconleysf/
• Website: https://chipconley.com/
• Modern Elder Academy: https://www.meawisdom.com/
• Podcast: https://www.meawisdom.com/podcast/

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• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com
• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

*In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Chip Conley (04:30) Chip’s journey with Airbnb (11:44) Insights on working with Brian Chesky (18:27) Tactics to be effective when working with founders in founder mode (21:08) The value of intergenerational collaboration (27:03) Addressing ageism in tech (31:18) Advice for thriving as an older individual in tech (35:01) Advice for hiring managers (42:37) Chip’s early career and founding Joie de Vivre (44:12) A life-changing near-death experience (47:51) The importance of company culture (52:20) The Peak Model (57:09) The Modern Elder Academy (MEA) (01:00:30) The upside of aging (01:06:43) Who MEA is for (01:08:05) AI in daily life (01:10:20) Lightning round and final thoughts *Referenced:*

• Brian Chesky on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianchesky/
• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach
• Natalie Tucci on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalietuccishoff/
• Laura Modi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurahughes6/
• How to build a cult-like brand | Laura Modi (Bobbie): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/from-growth-to-slowth-the-making
• George Tenet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet
• Joie de Vivre Hospitality: https://www.hyatt.com/jdv-by-hyatt/en-US
• Fest300: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fest300
• John Q. Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnqsmith/

•Will A.I. Replace New Hires or Middle Managers?: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/business/ai-job-cuts.html

• Burning Man: https://burningman.org/
• Sheryl Sandberg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheryl-sandberg-5126652/
• Bill Graham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Graham_(promoter)
• Maslow’s hierarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
• Measuring what makes life worthwhile: https://www.ted.com/talks/chip_conley_measuring_what_makes_life_worthwhile
• Jonathan Mildenhall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mildenhall/
• Becca Levy’s website: https://becca-levy.com/
• Kabuki Springs & Spa: https://kabukisprings.com/
• How positive age beliefs can support positive health outcomes with Becca Levy, PhD: https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/population-care/how-positive-age-beliefs-can-support-positive-health-outcomes-becca
• The U-shape of Happiness Across the Life Course: Expanding the Discussion: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7529452/

...References continued at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/chip-conley _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

🎤 SPEAKERS

• Lenny Rachitsky

  host

• Chip Conley

  guest

🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Lenny Rachitsky and Chip Conley, Chip Conley: Why midlife is a chrysalis, not a crisis explores modern elder wisdom: aging, leadership, and reinvention from Chip Conley The conversation centers on Chip Conley’s journey from founding Joie de Vivre hotels, to becoming Brian Chesky’s mentor and hospitality lead at Airbnb, to building the Modern Elder Academy (MEA), a “midlife wisdom school.” Conley shares candid stories about joining a hyper-growth tech company in his 50s, what it’s really like working for a founder in intense “founder mode,” and how intergenerational teams can be a superpower. He unpacks the realities of ageism in tech, practical ways older professionals can stay relevant, and how companies can better leverage age diversity. The episode closes with his near‑death experience, rethinking midlife as a transformative “chrysalis,” and concrete tools for finding meaning and wisdom as we age.

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