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Build better products with continuous product discovery | Teresa Torres

Teresa Torres is an internationally acclaimed author, speaker, and coach. She teaches a structured and sustainable system for continuous discovery that helps product teams infuse their daily product decisions with customer input. She’s coached hundreds of teams at companies of all sizes, from early-stage startups to global enterprises, in a variety of industries. She has taught over 11,000 product people discovery skills through the Product Talk Academy and hundreds through her coaching practice, and is the author of Continuous Discovery Habits. Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/teresa-torres-on-how-to-interview-customers-automating-continuous-discovery-the-opportunity-solution-tree-framework-making-the-case-for-user-research-common-interviewing-mistakes-and-much-more/#transcript — Where to find Teresa: • Product Talk: https://www.producttalk.org/ • Opportunity solution tree: https://www.producttalk.org/opportunity-solution-tree/ • Continuous Discovery Habits: https://www.amazon.com/Continuous-Discovery-Habits-Discover-Products/dp/1736633309 • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/teresatorres/ • Twitter: https://twitter.com/ttorres — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — Thank you to our sponsors for making this episode possible: • Persona: https://withpersona.com/lenny • Dovetail: https://dovetailapp.com/lenny • Stytch: https://stytch.com/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Teresa's background (04:56) How Teresa is in the top 5 people in the world who’s helped the most PMs. (06:19) What is the “opportunity solution tree framework”? (09:35) What’s an example of an opportunity solution tree, for Netflix? (14:04) Why do we usually approach opportunity finding wrong? (18:01) What should you do if your company is a feature factory? (21:58) What is continuous discovery, and why is it so important? (23:57) What do you do if your leaders tell you there’s no time for user research? (26:49) How can you automate weekly conversations with customers? (30:07) How do you stay unbiased as a PM about a potential solution? (32:13) Should a PM have more say over other functions? (36:20) What are Teresa’s best tips for how to interview customers? (40:28) What’s the most common mistake people make while interviewing customers? (41:04) How does discovery change as your company grows? (43:58) When should you do user research and when should you run an experiment? — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Continuous discovery turns product bets into smarter, customer-informed decisions

Teresa Torres explains continuous product discovery as a way to constantly improve the quality of product bets by integrating ongoing customer learning into everyday work. She introduces the Opportunity Solution Tree, a visual framework that helps teams move from vague outcomes to concrete customer problems and multiple solution options. A major focus is on interviewing customers weekly, automating recruitment, and learning to elicit rich stories rather than shallow opinions. Throughout, she emphasizes empowered product trios, small and fast assumption tests, and shifting organizations away from project-based, feature-factory mindsets.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat every backlog item as a bet and use discovery to improve bet quality.

Discovery doesn’t eliminate risk; it helps you make progressively better-informed decisions instead of blindly shipping features.

Run discovery and delivery in parallel, continuously, rather than as phases.

You should always be shipping and always be learning from customers, so that each new iteration benefits from fresher insight and reduced risk.

Use Opportunity Solution Trees to separate problem space from solution space.

Start from a clear outcome, map customer opportunities (needs, pains, desires) via an experience map, and only then generate and compare multiple solutions.

Anchor interviews in recent customer stories, not hypotheticals or opinions.

Ask people to walk through specific past experiences (“What happened next?”) to uncover reliable behaviors and hidden needs you’d never think to ask about directly.

Automate weekly customer interviews so they appear on your calendar by default.

Use in-product prompts or customer-facing teams (sales, support, account managers) plus scheduling tools to let users opt in, making interviewing easier than not doing it.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Everything in our backlog is a bet. Everything. Whether we do discovery or not, everything is a bet.

— Teresa Torres

No, you're always delivering and you're always discovering.

— Teresa Torres

The heart of good product is really getting comfortable in the problem space.

— Teresa Torres

If your interview feels like you're having a beer with a buddy, that's a good sign.

— Teresa Torres

I don’t know why product teams suddenly are held to a standard that nobody else is held to.

— Teresa Torres

The concept and value of continuous product discoveryThe Opportunity Solution Tree framework (outcomes, opportunities, solutions)How to interview customers effectively using story-based techniquesAutomating and systematizing regular customer conversationsBalancing discovery and delivery; treating all work as betsRole of empowered product trios and team-level decision-makingAssumption testing and moving from big experiments to small, fast tests

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