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OpenAI chair Bret Taylor: Why agents kill seat-based pricing

FriendFeed lost to Twitter while it onboarded celebrities, not on product; Taylor argues the AI market goes toward agents and outcomes-based pricing.

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Jul 31, 2025·1h 28m·Watch on YouTube ↗

📖 CHAPTERS

1. 1
   0:00 – 4:10

   Introduction to Bret Taylor

2. 2
   4:10 – 8:24

   Bret’s early career and first major mistake

3. 3
   8:24 – 11:57

   The birth of Google Maps

4. 4
   11:57 – 31:30

   Lessons from FriendFeed and the importance of honest feedback

5. 5
   31:30 – 45:26

   The future of coding and AI’s role

6. 6
   45:26 – 48:46

   Preparing the next generation for an AI-driven world

7. 7
   48:46 – 52:05

   AI in education

8. 8
   52:05 – 1:04:38

   Business strategies in the AI market

9. 9
   1:04:38 – 1:09:15

   Outcome-based pricing in AI

10. 10
    1:09:15 – 1:17:35

    Productivity gains and AI

11. 11
    1:17:35 – 1:21:49

    Go-to-market strategies for AI products

12. 12
    1:21:49 – 1:28:57

    Lightning round and final thoughts