Lenny's PodcastJerry Colonna: How leaders create the conditions they hate
Through the complicit reframe and Colonna's leadership equation; busyness, attachment to success, and the getaway-car analogy expose what CEOs avoid.
Episode Details
EPISODE INFO
- Released
- May 8, 2025
- Duration
- 1h 22m
- Channel
- Lenny's Podcast
- Watch on YouTube
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
*Jerry Colonna* is a world-renowned executive coach, a former venture capitalist, and the co-founder and CEO of Reboot, an executive coaching firm that combines practical leadership development with deeper self-inquiry. With over 27 years of coaching experience, he has guided countless leaders through the challenges of scaling companies, building teams, and navigating the emotional complexities of leadership. Known for his radical-self-inquiry approach, Jerry helps leaders uncover the unconscious patterns that hold them back and empowers them to lead with authenticity, compassion, and clarity. *In our conversation, we cover:*
- A powerful question that unlocks self-awareness: “How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want?”
- Jerry’s foundational equation for leadership success: practical skills + radical self-inquiry + shared experiences = enhanced leadership and resilience
- Why teams most often fail (hint: it’s not lack of talent or strategy)
- How busyness often masks deeper issues of self-worth
- Why a “growth mindset” can be problematic
- The importance of legacy and what it means to live a meaningful life
- The role of AI in self-inquiry and how tools like ChatGPT can help uncover blind spots
- Jerry’s advice for navigating the unsettling rise of AI and its implications for leadership and humanity
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*Where to find Jerry Colonna:*
- X: https://x.com/jerrycolonna
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-colonna-reboot/
- Website: https://reunion.reboot.io/
*Where to find Lenny:*
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- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/
*In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Jerry Colonna (04:12) Jerry’s key question (06:55) The equation for great leadership (09:37) The big lie of success and happiness (12:12) The consciousness hack (15:56) Getting over the fear of consequences (20:23) The problem with bypassing our childhood baggage (23:22) Radical self-inquiry: asking the tough questions (27:05) Shared experiences: the power of community (30:25) The trap of busyness and attachment (40:45) Understanding our own intentions (46:58) Legacy and purpose (55:43) Writing for self-discovery (57:12) The impact of AI on humanity (01:04:56) Turning a growth mindset into a fixed mindset (01:11:28) The role of radical self-inquiry in leadership (01:19:24) Final thoughts and reflections *Referenced:*
- Naropa University: https://www.naropa.edu/
- Fitler Club: https://fitlerclub.com
- Chris Fralic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfralic/
- Will Smith on the price of fame: ‘I have been deeply humbled and deeply inspired’: https://www.today.com/popculture/news/will-smith-fame-rcna127830
- Seth Godin’s best tactics for building remarkable products, strategies, brands, and more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seth-godins-tactics-for-building-remarkable-products
- The life of Buddha: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Buddha-founder-of-Buddhism
- 10% Happier with Dan Harris podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-happier-with-dan-harris/id1087147821
- Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/
- Mike Tyson Gives Morbid Response to Young Interviewer’s Question About His “Legacy”: https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/mike-tyson-morbid-response-young-interviewer-legacy-1234944054/
- Dan Shipper’s post on X about asking ChatGPT for blind spots: https://x.com/danshipper/status/1910387987487318318
- Evernote: https://evernote.com/
- Claude: https://claude.ai
- Peter Senge on X: https://x.com/petersenge
- Carl Jung’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/44379-until-you-make-the-unconscious-conscious-it-will-direct-your
- Parker Palmer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parker-j-palmer-5a92b110/
- The unexamined life is not worth living: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_unexamined_life_is_not_worth_living
*Recommended books:*
- Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up: https://www.amazon.com/Reboot-Leadership-Art-Growing-Up/dp/0062749536
- Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong: https://www.amazon.com/Reunion-Leadership-Longing-Jerry-Colonna/dp/0063142139
- Born to Run: https://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Bruce-Springsteen/dp/1501141511
...References continued at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/jerry-colonna _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
SPEAKERS
Jerry Colonna
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EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Jerry Colonna and Lenny Rachitsky, Jerry Colonna: How leaders create the conditions they hate explores radical self-inquiry: how leaders stop creating their own misery Jerry Colonna, renowned executive coach and author, explains how radical self-inquiry helps leaders see how they’re complicit in creating the very conditions they say they don’t want. He introduces his leadership “equation”: practical skills + radical self-inquiry + shared experiences = enhanced leadership and resilience. Through personal stories, Buddhist ideas, and live coaching of host Lenny Rachitsky, Jerry shows how attachment to success, busyness, and identity fuels suffering and dysfunctional teams. The conversation ultimately centers on building consciousness, resilience, and kinder leadership so ambition doesn’t come at the cost of mental health or healthy relationships.
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