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Lenny's PodcastHow to ask the right questions, project confidence, and win over skeptics | Paige Costello (Asana)
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Paige Costello on trust, coaching PMs, and smarter product strategy
- Paige Costello, product lead at Asana, shares how she builds trust and credibility as a relatively young leader by deeply understanding customers, markets, and metrics, and by showing up with unique insight instead of pretending to know everything.
- She explains Asana’s evolving product development and planning processes—nested metrics, area-based ownership, rolling 12‑month plans, and the Double Diamond framework—and how these changes improved focus, autonomy, and speed.
- Paige dives into her approach to mentoring PMs through leading by example, exposure over instruction, and concrete tools like better feedback frameworks and clearer decision ownership.
- Throughout, she highlights common PM pitfalls, mindsets that accelerate growth, and practical techniques for confidence, handling trade-offs, and integrating AI and LLMs into product work.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasBring unique insight to build trust, regardless of your seniority.
Paige emphasizes that younger PMs win over skeptics by deeply knowing the customer, product, numbers, and competitive landscape—showing up with real insight rather than trying to out-expert functional veterans.
Plan at multiple altitudes with rolling horizons, not rigid annual roadmaps.
Asana moved to nested metrics (R&D → pillar → area → team) and rolling 12‑month plans updated every six months, which aligns product and go-to-market while admitting that priorities will change.
Use the Double Diamond to force real discovery, not opinion-driven solutions.
By explicitly broadening and narrowing on customer, problem, and solution—and mapping reviews (kickoff, concept, spec, full experience, launch) to those phases—teams escape knee-jerk feature thinking and stay customer-targeted.
Coach by example and exposure, not just instructions.
Paige intentionally runs meetings the way she wants others to run them and brings PMs into high-stakes situations so they can learn through exposure (seeing how it’s done) alongside education and direct experience.
Shift from advocacy to inquiry to grow faster as a PM.
New PMs often feel compelled to be the expert and defend a fully-baked plan; Paige advises instead to be truly curious, invite challenge, and co-develop solutions, which leads to better outcomes and stronger relationships.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesBring the insight. Know thy customer, know thy market, know thy competitors, know thy numbers, know thy product.
— Paige Costello
Think big, ship small.
— Paige Costello
Trust is equal to credibility plus reliability plus authenticity, divided by perception of self-interest.
— Paige Costello (referencing Anne Raimondi’s framework)
Always answer the question they should have asked.
— Paige Costello (advice from an Intuit business unit leader)
Sometimes your brain is so accustomed to having a scarcity mindset. The moment I asked myself, ‘How might the opposite be true?’ my shoulders dropped.
— Paige Costello
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