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How to discover your superpowers, own your story, and unlock personal growth | Donna Lichaw

Donna Lichaw is an internationally sought-after executive coach, keynote speaker, and best-selling author.

Donna LichawguestLenny Rachitskyhost

Feb 25, 20241h 27mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Superpowers are messy: why discovering strengths feels uncomfortable
Donna opens with a superhero metaphor: realizing your gifts often creates chaos before it creates clarity. The conversation sets up the core idea that your biggest strengths can be surprisingly hard to name and own.
- •Superpowers can initially “wreak havoc” when you first recognize them
- •Even iconic heroes try to reject their powers at first
- •It’s genuinely difficult to see what you’re great at from inside your own head
Meet Donna Lichaw and the episode’s central promise (story, superpowers, kryptonite)
Lenny introduces Donna’s background as an executive coach and author of The Leader’s Journey. He previews the key themes: the stories we tell ourselves, identifying superpowers and kryptonite, reframing imposter syndrome, and clarifying goals.
- •Donna coaches founders/CEOs/executives to scale impact while staying aligned to purpose
- •Episode focus: self-story, strengths, kryptonite, imposter syndrome, and life goals
- •Framework-driven approach with real coaching examples
Sponsor break (OneSchema, Sendbird, Sprig)
A short sponsor interlude covering tools for CSV importing, in-app communication, and product experience insights. The interview resumes immediately afterward.
- •OneSchema: embeddable CSV importer for messy customer data
- •Sendbird: communications APIs for chat/video/messaging with AI capabilities
- •Sprig: targeted in-app research + AI insights for product teams
From product/design to executive coaching: Donna’s origin story
Donna explains the pivotal moment that shifted her from teaching product storytelling to focusing on leadership effectiveness. An exec team’s conflict revealed that “telling better stories” isn’t enough when relationships and trust are broken.
- •A leadership retreat exposed deeper issues than storytelling could solve
- •Influence problems were actually conflict and disconnection problems
- •That gap motivated a decade-long deep dive into leadership and coaching
- •She ultimately rebuilt her career around helping leaders become confident and effective
Story-driven leadership: why the most powerful stories are the ones you tell yourself
Donna reframes leadership as a hero’s journey: mission, obstacles, allies, and growth. She argues the iceberg is internal—your self-narrative shapes behavior because the brain treats repeated stories as reality.
- •Leadership mirrors story structure: mission, obstacles, and other characters
- •External storytelling matters less when trust and connection are missing
- •Self-stories (often untrue) drive choices and interpretation of events
- •Neuroscience angle: the brain is built to perceive and run on stories
Becoming the hero—and flipping “user-centered” leadership to inside-out leadership
Donna challenges the idea that leadership should start with others first. Her model starts with leading yourself, then one-to-one, then teams, then the broader organization—because sustainable leadership fuel must come from within.
- •Inside-out leadership: self → others → teams → business impact
- •Starting with yourself isn’t selfish; it’s purposeful and sustainable
- •External validation without internal alignment is fragile (“eggshell ready to crack”)
Changing your story with data: the ‘too nice’ CEO and research-driven reframes
Donna shares a CEO example whose internal narrative (“I’m too nice,” “no one listens to me”) undermined his leadership. She uses a product-like approach—talking to his ‘customers’ (his team)—to reveal a truer story and co-create a better way of leading.
- •Treat self-beliefs as hypotheses; validate with real feedback
- •The CEO’s “too nice” became “heartfelt and caring” (a leadership asset)
- •Senior execs didn’t want orders—they wanted vision, problems to solve, and autonomy
- •Better ending: stay involved, provide direction, and empower execution
Shifting others’ stories: when feedback is true but the interpretation is wrong
Donna explains how to handle situations where the ‘story’ has some truth (e.g., being too quiet). The fix isn’t always “do the opposite,” but clarifying intent, setting expectations, and improving communication so the team understands what’s really happening.
- •Example: leader is quiet in meetings; team interprets it as disinterest
- •Root cause: her processing style is deep listening + delayed synthesis
- •Solution: communicate work style; create shared ‘personal OS/README’ norms
- •Outcome: better mutual understanding without forcing unnatural behavior
Imposter syndrome as a functional signal: stop denying it, ask how it serves you
Donna reframes imposter syndrome as a habit with a purpose—often signaling a growth edge. Rather than ‘affirmations’ or suppression, she recommends exploring the benefit it provides while preventing the overwork and burnout it can trigger.
- •Imposter feelings can be normal—especially in new or ambiguous roles
- •Key question: “How is this serving you?”
- •Example: a cofounder used imposter feelings to learn fast and level up
- •Watch-outs: overcompensation, emotional labor, and burnout (often gendered patterns)
Kryptonite taxonomy: avoidable friction vs inner kryptonite that hides strengths
Donna distinguishes between kryptonite you should simply bypass (e.g., scheduling) and inner kryptonite worth reframing. She highlights neurodiversity examples (dyslexia/ADHD) where perceived limitations can correlate with real leadership advantages.
- •Some kryptonite is best handled by automation, assistance, or avoidance
- •Inner kryptonite can be reinterpreted to uncover capability and uniqueness
- •Dyslexia example: difficulties with text can coexist with strong spatial/visual thinking
- •Superpower and kryptonite can be two sides of the same trait (e.g., ‘Hulk’ anger)
Why superpowers matter: compounding impact comes from strengths, not fixing ‘broken’ parts
Donna and Lenny discuss the leverage of leaning into strengths, including how different leadership styles can achieve the same outcomes. The goal is to amplify what works, not force yourself into a mismatched archetype of what a leader ‘should’ be.
- •Strength-based leadership is more effective than constant weakness-fixing
- •CEO archetypes vary: loud/charismatic vs quiet/thoughtful can both work
- •Lenny’s example: writing became a better path than public speaking for impact
- •Donna’s example: honoring preferences (calls vs email) reduces friction and increases output
How to identify your superpowers: pull them from peak-experience stories (not just tests)
Donna offers a practical method: extract themes from peak experiences across childhood, recent years, and your path into your current work. Tests can help, but story-based pattern recognition creates context, recall, and a usable identity.
- •Optional tools: StrengthsFinder and VIA Character Strengths
- •Core method: analyze peak experiences when you were ‘at your best’
- •Use three time horizons: childhood peak, recent peak, and career path story
- •Look for repeated themes (e.g., “connector” vs vague labels like “strategist”)
Energy, constraints, and the real world: audits, meetings, and when to change the situation
The conversation turns to practical energy management—what to do when your job is full of draining obligations. Donna advocates ruthlessly changing what you can, and changing the context (even leaving) when most of your work chronically depletes you.
- •Energy audit approach: do more of what energizes you; reduce what drains you
- •Sometimes the right answer is changing roles/teams/jobs (not ‘coping harder’)
- •Zoom fatigue mitigations: fewer meetings/day, no-meeting days, movement breaks
- •Use fidgets/physical stimuli to reduce cognitive strain in video calls
Run experiments on yourself: product and Gestalt frameworks for durable behavior change
Donna explains how she blends Gestalt coaching with product thinking: don’t force transformation—start with what’s true, then run small experiments to gather data. She shares an in-session role-play example and adds a ‘head/heart/hands’ evaluation lens for learning.
- •Change sticks when you embrace current reality and test small steps
- •Every desired shift is a hypothesis until you experiment and learn
- •In-session micro-experiments (30 seconds) reduce fear before real-world trials
- •Evaluate experiments via head (thoughts), heart (emotions), and hands/body (somatic signals)
Uncovering subconscious goals: start with the ending, envision impact, then work backward
Donna shares her approach to helping people articulate goals they can’t yet name: vividly imagine an end state (years/decades out) using sensory detail. Then reverse-engineer the path as an experimental roadmap, acknowledging that the actual outcome may evolve.
- •Envision a future end state using senses: see/hear/smell/feel/accomplish
- •Work backward to map the journey and define the first learning step
- •If you ‘have no vision,’ sit with it longer until something emerges
- •Focus on impact and authenticity over predicting the exact future
Lightning round and closing: books, shows, interview questions, mottos, and Dolly wisdom
A rapid-fire wrap-up covers Donna’s recommendations and personal philosophies. She emphasizes possibility thinking, non-judgmental curiosity, and Dolly Parton’s directive to live deliberately—and closes with how to find her and her resources.
- •Books: Donna often recommends her own work (and points to bibliographies)
- •TV: For All Mankind; leadership inspiration from Ted Lasso
- •Favorite question: imagine the best few years ahead; “give yourself an A” (Art of Possibility)
- •Life motto: “Isn’t that interesting?” for optimistic, mindful stance
- •Dolly quotes: “Find out who you are and do it on purpose”; “Pave a new path”
- •Where to find Donna: DonnaLichaw.com + free downloads/resources

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