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Strategies for becoming less distractible and improving focus | Nir Eyal

Nir Eyal is the author of two best-selling books, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products and Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life. He writes, consults, and teaches at the intersection of psychology, technology, and business. His books have sold over 1 million copies in more than 30 languages; he has taught at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and its Design School; and he has started and sold two startups since 2003. In our conversation, we discuss: • Strategies for becoming less distractible and improving focus • The difference between distraction and “traction”• Reactive work vs. reflexive work and why you should book time in your calendar • The 10-minute rule to overcome internal triggers and stay focused • The problem with to-do lists, and what to do instead • The value of creating a timebox schedule that aligns with personal values and priorities • The use of pacts as a last line of defense against distraction • How to develop a high-agency mindset • Advice for leaders on helping employees improve focus in the workplace — Brought to you by Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny | Jira Product Discovery—Atlassian’s new prioritization and roadmapping tool built for product teams: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc | Teal—Your personal career growth platform: http://tealhq.com/lenny Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/strategies-for-becoming-less-distractible Where to find Nir Eyal: • X: https://twitter.com/nireyal • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nireyal/ • Website: https://www.nirandfar.com/ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Nir’s background (04:20) How to become less distractible (07:43) Understanding distraction and traction (12:52) The four steps to becoming indistractable (13:53) Mastering internal triggers (18:49) Surfing the urge with a 10-minute timer (23:20) Making time for traction with a timebox schedule (25:02) How to turn your values into time (28:36) Booking deep work time (29:22) Making pacts to prevent distraction (31:00) The problem with to-do lists (34:31) The drawback of deadlines (36:08) Distraction is an emotion regulation problem (39:54) Hacking back external triggers (45:03) Preventing distraction with pacts (48:18) Specific tools to hold you accountable (53:42) Managing emotions and discomfort (56:37) Taking responsibility and being high-agency (01:00:09) Becoming indistractable at work (01:05:04) Schedule syncing to align with managers (01:09:36) We are not as hooked on technology as people think (01:16:00) Life purpose and personal responsibility (01:17:38) Lightning round Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

Nir EyalguestLenny Rachitskyhost
Dec 29, 20231h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

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December 29, 2023
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1h 24m
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Nir Eyal is the author of two best-selling books, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products and Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life. He writes, consults, and teaches at the intersection of psychology, technology, and business. His books have sold over 1 million copies in more than 30 languages; he has taught at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and its Design School; and he has started and sold two startups since 2003. In our conversation, we discuss:

  • Strategies for becoming less distractible and improving focus
  • The difference between distraction and “traction”• Reactive work vs. reflexive work and why you should book time in your calendar
  • The 10-minute rule to overcome internal triggers and stay focused
  • The problem with to-do lists, and what to do instead
  • The value of creating a timebox schedule that aligns with personal values and priorities
  • The use of pacts as a last line of defense against distraction
  • How to develop a high-agency mindset
  • Advice for leaders on helping employees improve focus in the workplace

— Brought to you by Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny | Jira Product Discovery—Atlassian’s new prioritization and roadmapping tool built for product teams: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc | Teal—Your personal career growth platform: http://tealhq.com/lenny Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/strategies-for-becoming-less-distractible Where to find Nir Eyal:

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In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Nir’s background (04:20) How to become less distractible (07:43) Understanding distraction and traction (12:52) The four steps to becoming indistractable (13:53) Mastering internal triggers (18:49) Surfing the urge with a 10-minute timer (23:20) Making time for traction with a timebox schedule (25:02) How to turn your values into time (28:36) Booking deep work time (29:22) Making pacts to prevent distraction (31:00) The problem with to-do lists (34:31) The drawback of deadlines (36:08) Distraction is an emotion regulation problem (39:54) Hacking back external triggers (45:03) Preventing distraction with pacts (48:18) Specific tools to hold you accountable (53:42) Managing emotions and discomfort (56:37) Taking responsibility and being high-agency (01:00:09) Becoming indistractable at work (01:05:04) Schedule syncing to align with managers (01:09:36) We are not as hooked on technology as people think (01:16:00) Life purpose and personal responsibility (01:17:38) Lightning round Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

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  • Nir Eyal

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  • Lenny Rachitsky

    host

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Nir Eyal and Lenny Rachitsky, Strategies for becoming less distractible and improving focus | Nir Eyal explores nir Eyal’s four-step system to master distraction and reclaim focus Nir Eyal explains that distraction is rarely about technology itself and mostly about our inability to handle internal discomfort—boredom, anxiety, and the “cold start” of hard work.

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