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Kevin Yien: How decision logs build product sense fast

How keeping a daily decision log with rationale builds product sense; unsell emails to candidates and sales calls as automated user research.

Kevin YienguestLenny RachitskyhostChristina (OneSchema)guest
Aug 17, 20241h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Unorthodox PM tactics: decision logs, unsell emails, automated research, more

  1. Stripe product leader Kevin Yien shares unconventional but highly practical approaches to product management, hiring, and personal growth. He argues aspiring PMs should first build foundational experience in adjacent roles (engineering, design, sales), and insists great PMs must be great writers who create clarity at scale for both teams and customers. Yien details tactics like keeping a personal decision log, sending "unsell" emails to candidates, and automating user research via sales tools and workflows. He also discusses failure, AI’s impact on younger generations, and how to build healthier perspectives on career setbacks.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat PM as converting team potential into customer value, not as a default role every team needs.

Yien frames product management as turning the potential energy of engineers, designers, and others into real customer value with minimal loss. Many early-stage or self-referential teams (e.g. building for engineers/designers) can function well without PMs, as long as someone performs the PM activities.

Build PM foundations by first doing adjacent roles like engineering, design, or sales.

Rather than jumping directly into PM, Yien recommends starting where you’d otherwise “delegate” PM work—from shipping code, designing experiences, or selling/supporting customers—to gain firsthand understanding of building and serving products, then layering PM responsibilities on top.

Great PMs must be strong writers because writing is “clarity at scale.”

Writing sharp PRDs, user messaging, and internal docs clarifies thinking and aligns teams and customers. Yien suggests reading compelling, action-driving writing (not just PM docs), varying sentence cadence, and practicing internal “silent doc reads” to refine and stress-test written thinking.

Draw tight constraints (“the perimeter”) and still own product quality down to tiny details.

PMs should define constraints like target user, jobs-to-be-done, platforms, and key principles (e.g. speed over perfect consistency) so eng and design can explore freely within a clear box. At the same time, PMs must care about final details—Yien spent a week tuning a POS animation because it meaningfully affected adoption.

Use a personal decision log to deliberately build product sense.

Yien defines product sense as making good decisions with insufficient data. He keeps a daily log and tags decisions with rationale, then revisits them after outcomes are known. He also “simulates” other teams’ and companies’ choices (e.g. Shopify’s Shop app) to get many more decision reps than his job alone provides.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Writing is clarity at scale.

Kevin Yien

If you can't sell or support your own product, I don't trust you to build the product.

Kevin Yien

We all talk about product sense. To me, it's just a fancy way of saying you can make good decisions with insufficient data.

Kevin Yien

PMs need as many reps as possible in making decisions, documenting the rationale behind those decisions, and then crucially, seeing the outcome of them.

Kevin Yien

We are not even beneath the dust on the surface when it comes to what's gonna change.

Kevin Yien (on AI)

What product management really is and when teams actually need PMsWhy aspiring PMs should start in engineering, design, or sales rolesWriting as a core PM skill and how to get better at itPM–engineering–design collaboration and the idea of “drawing the perimeter”Decision logs as a deliberate way to build product senseUnconventional hiring tactics, including the candidate “unsell” emailAutomating customer research using sales calls, tools, and workflowsAI as a new creative medium for the next generationHandling layoffs, identity, and finding the right company “habitat”

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