Cesar Millan: Train Confidence & Become the Leader of the Pack

Cesar Millan 0:00 My friend, animals don't lie.

Lewis Howes 0:01 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 0:01 So you can think that you are, doesn't mean you are.

Lewis Howes 0:05 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 0:05 Yes. If you come from ego, selfishness, and envy, you're not gonna be very clear about how you feel. A lot of times people come from ego saying, "I am confident," but it's ego talking for you versus just being clear about it. [upbeat music]

Lewis Howes 0:21 Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. I'm very excited about our guest. Cesar Millan is in the house.

Cesar Millan 0:25 Thank you for-

Lewis Howes 0:26 Thank you so much

Cesar Millan 0:26 ... having me in your school.

Lewis Howes 0:27 Yes. Thank you so much.

Cesar Millan 0:28 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:29 And you have been an incredible inspiration to so many people for many years. Uh, your TV shows, uh, all the work you do to re- rehabilitate dogs and humans, and uh, I've told you before the show that I've seen you a few times around town.

Cesar Millan 0:44 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 0:44 It's always been fun to, to watch your journey, and your story's just so incredible. You know, y- what you did to cross the border early-

Cesar Millan 0:52 Yeah

Lewis Howes 0:52 ... in life to come here and, um-

Cesar Millan 0:54 Sacrifice

Lewis Howes 0:55 ... sacrifice, right?

Cesar Millan 0:56 Yes.

Lewis Howes 0:56 And how did that process even start? Like, how did you have the vision to come here, and what was the dream always? Was it to-

Cesar Millan 1:01 I think the beauty of, uh, immigrants is the dream that we live in-

Lewis Howes 1:04 Mm

Cesar Millan 1:04 ... and this, and the thirst and the hunger we grew up with, you know, and all the, all the possibilities that can be created because you're in the bottom of the pack. You know? So the fact that we're in the bottom of the pack, it allow us to dream to be in the middle of the pack or the front of the pack.

Lewis Howes 1:18 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 1:19 You know? So I think it's a blessing for, for us to, to master having no money and having all the possibilities that you can think of, 'cause you become a dreamer.

Lewis Howes 1:28 Mm.

Cesar Millan 1:29 You know? You become a dreamer. It's when you have everything, the dreams, you know, you stop dreaming.

Lewis Howes 1:33 Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 1:33 And, and that, that, the whole essence of life goes away or you don't get to taste, you don't get to be there for others, you know? So it's, uh, you go back into a very instinctual self. Water, food, shelter, you know, and, a- and helping the family. And that is the ba- the basics of life if you think about it. So we get to, by, by having this low income, uh-

Lewis Howes 1:54 Mm

Cesar Millan 1:54 ... exposure, we get to maintain our instincts and our love for the family.

Lewis Howes 1:59 Mm. And what was the dream for you then?

Cesar Millan 2:02 Well, the dream for me has always been to make sure that, uh, that I, I support my parents at one point. You know, that's definitely the focus.

Lewis Howes 2:09 Mm.

Cesar Millan 2:10 Um, I, I never thought about me first. It was always about the pack first.

Lewis Howes 2:15 Mm.

Cesar Millan 2:16 And so I, I needed to find out something that I really love, and I wanted to do something that I truly love. I didn't wanna work in a place that I hate, you know, 'cause and then I, I value energy so much that I wanna be very effective, not just by being a good worker, but also providing the right energy for the rest of the team.

Lewis Howes 2:33 Yeah. Did you always see yourself as a natural leader or is that a, a skill that you've developed?

Cesar Millan 2:38 I think my mom would say yes. [laughs] You know, I think my mom would say I, I was always, uh, breaking the rules, the boundaries, the limitations.

Lewis Howes 2:45 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 2:45 You know? And she always say, you know, "You have to master the rules before you break the rules, and so you have to be a great follower before you become a leader." So you hear those things when you're little and you say, "Okay." But you don't understand-

Lewis Howes 2:57 Mm

Cesar Millan 2:57 ... why you're breaking it, you know? You're... And, and so then you realize, uh, that, that you're breaking it because you, you were born to lead, and it's nothing you can do about it. It's just you're born to lead. That's the beauty of America. America immediately hone and know that and that kid has that skill. But we don't have that in October country. We don't have places where they-

Lewis Howes 3:15 Mm

Cesar Millan 3:15 ... can redirect that energy. So often what happens is they suppress that ability. You know? So that-

Lewis Howes 3:20 Really? The talents, the gifts that you have?

Cesar Millan 3:22 That's right.

Lewis Howes 3:22 Really?

Cesar Millan 3:23 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 3:23 So just like-

Cesar Millan 3:23 'Cause you have to follow. You have to follow, you have to follow, follow, follow. And so then it's, "No, you..." You know, they're constantly telling you what you're doing wrong versus what you're doing right.

Lewis Howes 3:32 Really?

Cesar Millan 3:32 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 3:32 So that was your entire life until you came here or...?

Cesar Millan 3:35 Well, yeah. That is, uh... I mean, I had a really... My, my f- I, the way I grew up was awesome. You know? I was, I was born poor but with a, with a very wealthy family-

Lewis Howes 3:44 Mm

Cesar Millan 3:44 ... in a way where grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, aunts, and everybody raised me. So I, I'm, I'm one of those, uh, uh, back in the days ways where it take a village to raise a child.

Lewis Howes 3:54 Yeah. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 3:55 I grew up that way.

Lewis Howes 3:55 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 3:56 You know what I mean? So that for me is a lot of wealth 'cause now I see it. The, most of the kids in America are raised by the nanny, right? So there is, it's, it's a wonderful person, but it's not blood, right?

Lewis Howes 4:04 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 4:04 It's not, it's not the same, um, religious belief, political beliefs, or economical beliefs, or moral beliefs. You know? So they take care of the kid, but they don't enrich when, you know, the, their soul.

Lewis Howes 4:16 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 4:17 Uh, so I, I grew up that way. And, and so because I was, I, I, I w- I became the third generation where we went from the farm to the city. You know? It was my grandfather who died 105. My dad is 83-

Lewis Howes 4:30 Mm

Cesar Millan 4:30 ... super, super young, and now I'm the 47-year-old, uh, third generation-

Lewis Howes 4:35 Wow

Cesar Millan 4:35 ... you know, uh, that follows this way of being. So because they exposed me to, to the city lifestyle, it gave me that opportunity of like, "Oh, so it's more than just dirt." [laughs] You know?

Lewis Howes 4:46 Right, right. Yeah. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 4:47 So here you guys have-

Lewis Howes 4:48 Feels good

Cesar Millan 4:48 ... television-

Lewis Howes 4:49 Yeah

Cesar Millan 4:49 ... and you have fans.

Lewis Howes 4:50 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 4:50 You know what I mean? You have showers-

Lewis Howes 4:52 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 4:52 ... and you have toilets, and so you have all this, uh, evolution, you know-

Lewis Howes 4:57 Yeah

Cesar Millan 4:57 ... thing that, uh, the, the w- So that, that's when I started going, um, I started working, actually. I became, uh, one of those kids that packet, package, uh, the groceries when you go to a store, uh, for example, here, Ralph's. So, uh, so I started, I started working-

Lewis Howes 5:12 Mm. In Mexico

Cesar Millan 5:13 ... at six years of age.

Lewis Howes 5:14 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 5:14 Yeah. Yeah. That's legal over there for a kid to work at six.

Lewis Howes 5:16 Six?

Cesar Millan 5:17 Yeah, yeah. That's legal. Yeah, you have to help.

Lewis Howes 5:19 Wow.

Cesar Millan 5:19 See, there is no, uh, government help.

Lewis Howes 5:21 Wow.

Cesar Millan 5:21 You know what I mean? There is no, like, vouchers that you get help. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 5:24 Right, right.

Cesar Millan 5:24 So everybody have to pitch in. So that leadership of, of, uh, providing something in return, that's what I channel it-

Lewis Howes 5:30 Mm

Cesar Millan 5:31 ... you know, to be, to be at service to the family-

Lewis Howes 5:33 Yeah

Cesar Millan 5:33 ... to make sure that I help my, my mom.

Lewis Howes 5:36 And who was the most influential person for you growing up?

Cesar Millan 5:39 I think it, I think it varies because, uh, my mom was the, the big support system, you know, the person who believed in me. So the spiritual aspect was my mom. And then the love of animals-

Lewis Howes 5:51 Mm

Cesar Millan 5:51 ... was my father. And the respect to nature was my grandfather.

Lewis Howes 5:54 Wow.

Cesar Millan 5:55 So I had the instinctual world, the emotional world, and the spiritual world. What I was, I didn't have available was the intellectual world. That's something that you gain in school by books, right? But I have the three most importants of all.

Lewis Howes 6:05 You have the heart-

Cesar Millan 6:06 I have the soul-

Lewis Howes 6:06 ... the soul

Cesar Millan 6:07 ... and the heart-

Lewis Howes 6:08 Yeah

Cesar Millan 6:08 ... and the instincts-

Lewis Howes 6:09 Mm

Cesar Millan 6:09 ... the survival, right? So you have to believe in yourself, you have to love yourself, and you have to have instincts, right? So if you have those three, you can, you can survive in the streets. Which at the end of the day, I, I started a business in the streets

Lewis Howes 6:22 Of, literally, right?

Cesar Millan 6:23 Of LA, yeah.

Lewis Howes 6:23 Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 6:23 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 6:24 Literally. From-

Cesar Millan 6:24 From Inglewood to South Central

Lewis Howes 6:25 ... amazing, man.

Cesar Millan 6:26 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 6:27 Um, and what was the spiritual lesson that sh- she taught you, your mom, the most, that was like the most resonated with you?

Cesar Millan 6:34 Well, you know, as a good Mexican mom, uh-

Lewis Howes 6:37 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 6:37 ... is, uh, believe in God is a must. It's not even like-

Lewis Howes 6:40 Yeah

Cesar Millan 6:40 ... you know, like-

Lewis Howes 6:41 Yeah

Cesar Millan 6:41 ... let's do research about it. [laughs] You don't question that.

Lewis Howes 6:44 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 6:44 And so it is very important because you do have to believe in, in humanity.

Lewis Howes 6:48 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 6:48 You have to believe in God. You have to believe in yourself. And so that's the spirituality behind that you are good enough, you know?

Lewis Howes 6:55 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 6:55 And you don't require more things. You don't have, you don't need to have a certain clothes to, to feel confident about things. You can just believe.

Lewis Howes 7:03 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 7:03 And that energy is something that is very contagious, you know, which is a lot of, a, a lot of immigrants have that energy.

Lewis Howes 7:08 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 7:08 You know, like they believe they can, they can, you know, better your life or they can help you-

Lewis Howes 7:13 Hmm

Cesar Millan 7:13 ... and you can feel it.

Lewis Howes 7:14 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 7:14 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 7:15 How did you develop this belief in a new country? 'Cause you didn't speak the language that well, right, when you first came here, or-

Cesar Millan 7:21 I didn't speak English at all, [laughs] you know.

Lewis Howes 7:23 Wow.

Cesar Millan 7:23 I, I jumped the border. I had $100, and that $100 I gave it to the coyote guy. And, and, um, so I, I come to a country that I have no idea any- the only thing I knew is what I wanted to do a- and, and the-

Lewis Howes 7:35 And what was that?

Cesar Millan 7:36 I wanted to be the best dog trainer in the world.

Lewis Howes 7:38 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 7:38 Yeah. I wanted to be-

Lewis Howes 7:39 Were you a trainer before then?

Cesar Millan 7:40 I was a groomer. I was a groomer. I was a, a vet tech without a license, you know. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 7:44 Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 7:45 Here you have to have a license-

Lewis Howes 7:46 Clean them up and then, yeah

Cesar Millan 7:47 ... to be a vet tech. Over there you're just a guy who helps dogs. You know, the kid-

Lewis Howes 7:50 Recover, yeah

Cesar Millan 7:50 ... who helps the vet, uh, the vet. Here you have to have a license to be a vet tech.

Lewis Howes 7:54 Wow.

Cesar Millan 7:54 You can't just do it because you wanna volunteer. And over there, uh, over there you can do it.

Lewis Howes 7:58 Wow.

Cesar Millan 7:58 And so I, I had a lot of knowledge about how to deal with dogs who are be- who the vet is gonna touch certain parts, and you know that those dogs have never been touched there. So I was able to convince them to stay relaxed-

Lewis Howes 8:12 Really?

Cesar Millan 8:12 ... until the doctor... Yes.

Lewis Howes 8:13 How did you convince them to stay relaxed?

Cesar Millan 8:14 Well, I grew up with cows. I grew up with chickens. I grew up with donkeys. I grew up with goats. So I convince bigger species, so to me a dog was piece of cake. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 8:21 Wow.

Cesar Millan 8:22 Yeah. Yeah, so you gotta convince a cow and, and the cow-

Lewis Howes 8:24 To relax

Cesar Millan 8:24 ... to relax. You have to convince a chicken-

Lewis Howes 8:26 How do you do it?

Cesar Millan 8:26 ... to relax. Well, you start, you start... Well, we, we're not in a rush, number one, on a farm, you know-

Lewis Howes 8:31 Hmm

Cesar Millan 8:31 ... what I mean?

Lewis Howes 8:32 All right.

Cesar Millan 8:32 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 8:32 You got all day. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 8:33 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 8:33 When they're tired, then you can-

Cesar Millan 8:34 Yeah. So you develop this-

Lewis Howes 8:36 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 8:36 ... you know, very much take your time, start at a distance-

Lewis Howes 8:39 Hmm

Cesar Millan 8:39 ... move in when the cow tells you to move in, and slowly massage and go through there and let them know, you know, visualize what you want.

Lewis Howes 8:45 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 8:45 And the cows start trusting you. So what we develop is trust. In a vet's office they don't have time to develop trust. They have time to-

Lewis Howes 8:52 They have appointments

Cesar Millan 8:52 ... That's right.

Lewis Howes 8:53 Yeah. Gotta get in, gotta get out.

Cesar Millan 8:54 So it's very intellectual, you know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 8:55 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 8:55 Which is totally a foreign world for animals, you know. They don't know you are, you have a schedule.

Lewis Howes 8:59 Just hold on, hold them down.

Cesar Millan 9:00 Hold on, hold on, we got 15 minutes. And they're like, "Hold on, I don't even know you." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 9:04 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 9:04 "You wanna touch me there?" You know, so, so it's, it's a very rushed environment. The city creates-

Lewis Howes 9:09 Uh-huh

Cesar Millan 9:09 ... a very rushed environment, which is very detrimental for animals.

Lewis Howes 9:12 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 9:12 'Cause animals love to, you know, uh, s- stop and smell the roses.

Lewis Howes 9:15 So how do you create trust with an animal in a moment if you only have a little bit of time or you don't-

Cesar Millan 9:19 Well-

Lewis Howes 9:19 ... you're not on a farm?

Cesar Millan 9:20 Well, it depends on how bad the animal feels, you know, 'cause when a dog is, everything is by intensity zero, five, 10. So if a dog is at a level 10 of fear, uh, you'd need a little bit more than 15 minutes, you know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 9:30 Right.

Cesar Millan 9:30 And the owners have to understand how, how big of a role they play before they bring a dog to the vet. And a lot of times people don't bring the dog to the vet just to visit the vet. They just bring it because it's a, it's, it's, uh, a do- an, an emergency situ- situation.

Lewis Howes 9:44 Right.

Cesar Millan 9:44 So you have to make sure that you bring the dog to the vet so the dog associates the vet with a happy place or a, or a place where he was-

Lewis Howes 9:51 Before it's needed to be there.

Cesar Millan 9:52 Yes, yes.

Lewis Howes 9:53 Come on in. Have it, give it-

Cesar Millan 9:54 Yes

Lewis Howes 9:54 ... a treat, hang out, pet it.

Cesar Millan 9:55 Especially if a dog is afraid of the place, you know, so the dog is going to anticipate, "You know, I'm afraid. Nobody really pays attention to that, and they still touch me."

Lewis Howes 10:02 Oh.

Cesar Millan 10:02 You know? Yeah. So if, uh, if, uh, if the owner actually understand that by bringing the dog and make this positive association, the dog will learn to relax. And nobody takes the time, you know. Nobody takes the time, unless it's for themselves.

Lewis Howes 10:15 Yeah. Wow.

Cesar Millan 10:16 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 10:17 Okay. So your dream was to be the best, uh, trainer in the world.

Cesar Millan 10:21 Dog trainer in the world.

Lewis Howes 10:22 And when you moved to San Diego originally, correct? Or-

Cesar Millan 10:25 Well, that was the first step. I, you know-

Lewis Howes 10:26 First step

Cesar Millan 10:27 ... I never heard San Diego before.

Lewis Howes 10:28 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 10:28 What I wanted to go was about Disneyland or Hollywood-

Lewis Howes 10:31 Sure

Cesar Millan 10:32 ... because that's where s- uh, Rin Tin Tin and Lassie were from.

Lewis Howes 10:34 Right.

Cesar Millan 10:35 Yeah, so I grew up watching a show like, you know, and when I moved to the city and TV was available, I started watching Lassie and Rin Tin Tin, and that's when I was fascinated about the dogs-

Lewis Howes 10:44 Hmm

Cesar Millan 10:44 ... on TV. And, and I said, "Well, when I grow up I'm gonna go to America and learn from the best," you know, 'cause every movie we watch for American people, they're heroes.

Lewis Howes 10:52 Right.

Cesar Millan 10:52 Right? So y- [laughs] and then the dogs are, it's, it's they're doing this amazing thing. I didn't know they were trained.

Lewis Howes 10:57 You just thought they were, like, gifted animals.

Cesar Millan 10:58 I just thought they were... You say, "Lassie, go get the fireman," Lassie understood fireman versus police officer.

Lewis Howes 11:04 Right. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 11:04 You know, [laughs] they just specifically go get you-

Lewis Howes 11:06 Yeah, yeah

Cesar Millan 11:06 ... the fireman. So that, that's the, that's the naiveness side of me-

Lewis Howes 11:10 Hmm

Cesar Millan 11:10 ... which it actually helped me a lot because through that naiveness I actually believed it and I came here and I realized that it wasn't real.

Lewis Howes 11:18 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 11:18 It was, it was a TV show, you know. But thanks to that, I, I saw-

Lewis Howes 11:22 It got you here.

Cesar Millan 11:23 Thanks... Yeah, it got me here and I, and started, and I started seeing how people relate to dogs.

Lewis Howes 11:28 Right.

Cesar Millan 11:28 Right? Why, why people are being pulled by dogs in the street, why people when you knock on the door, uh, the dogs start barking-

Lewis Howes 11:35 Ah

Cesar Millan 11:35 ... and, and, yeah, [laughs] and the per- "Hold on! Let me put the dog in the bathroom." So all this ca- chaos, and we don't have chaos.

Lewis Howes 11:41 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 11:41 Dogs in Mexico are skinny, but they don't have psychological problems.

Lewis Howes 11:44 It's true. Whenever I'm in New Mexico-

Cesar Millan 11:46 Yeah

Lewis Howes 11:46 ... they're just, like, trotting around like-

Cesar Millan 11:48 Yeah, they're free

Lewis Howes 11:49 ... relaxed.

Cesar Millan 11:49 Dogs in America are chunky and they get to have a TV show. So do-

Lewis Howes 11:52 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 11:52 Right? So dogs who are actually look, you know, from the outside-

Lewis Howes 11:55 Hmm

Cesar Millan 11:56 ... uh, extremely well-fed and have beds and, you know, a lot of, a lot of dogs inherit money. They have birthday parties and things like that.

Lewis Howes 12:02 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 12:03 They're not bound. Those are my clients.

Lewis Howes 12:05 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 12:05 The dogs that have all this wealth are my clients.

Lewis Howes 12:08 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 12:08 And the skinny dogs in Mexico, they don't need me. They just need food. That's it. Otherwise, they, they know how to do, they know how to survive.

Lewis Howes 12:14 They're happy. They're-

Cesar Millan 12:14 Yeah, because they, they are using their own natural talent to survive. And that's greatness to me.

Lewis Howes 12:21 Mm-hmm. Mm. Okay. And so-

Cesar Millan 12:24 Yeah

Lewis Howes 12:24 ... what did you start doing when you were here? You started finding people to work with or started training dogs to work with or-

Cesar Millan 12:28 No, no, no. What you start doing as an immigrant is you start sweeping floor, you start washing cars, you start washing dishes. You know, those are your to-go places. Yeah. You know?

Lewis Howes 12:37 Yeah. And how long was that for?

Cesar Millan 12:39 Oh, about, about a month, months. Yeah. You know, and, and that's when I find out about the 99 cents hot dogs-

Lewis Howes 12:46 Mm

Cesar Millan 12:46 ... at 7-Eleven and AM PM.

Lewis Howes 12:47 Mm. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 12:47 Two hot dogs for 99 cents. That's a deal, dude.

Lewis Howes 12:50 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 12:50 That's a deal. 'Cause you just have to make $1 a day.

Lewis Howes 12:52 That's it.

Cesar Millan 12:53 And it's easy for me 'cause, you know, I'm a hustler, so I'm gonna make a dollar.

Lewis Howes 12:55 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 12:56 No problem.

Lewis Howes 12:57 You're fed every day.

Cesar Millan 12:57 No problem. I'm gonna eat. In America, I'm going to eat.

Lewis Howes 13:00 Wow.

Cesar Millan 13:00 And then you invest that $1.69, a lit- or something like that, and you get the Big Gulp. Which you do refill. I never heard-

Lewis Howes 13:08 Free refills, right? [laughs]

Cesar Millan 13:08 ... freaking refill in my life. So [laughs] you just buy it once and then you go back as many times you want. Uh, uh, it's, uh, it was m- pff, mind-blowing.

Lewis Howes 13:17 Wow.

Cesar Millan 13:17 It was, I invested once and I get pff, soda my, the rest of my life. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 13:21 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 13:22 No wonder all the people-

Lewis Howes 13:22 Free refill

Cesar Millan 13:23 ... in the street had a, a little-

Lewis Howes 13:24 Big Gulps

Cesar Millan 13:24 ... uh, yeah, Big Gulps everywhere. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 13:26 That's funny. And what about the first kind of opportunity with dogs where you finally got to either make a little money or you got to see a little opportunity and meet some new kids?

Cesar Millan 13:32 I made a lot of money. I made a lot of money. 'Cause remember, I was making $1 to $5 a day.

Lewis Howes 13:36 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 13:36 And so I stop in this place, a, a grooming salon, and I learn my first sentence in English, "Do you have application for work?" That was-

Lewis Howes 13:43 This is here in LA?

Cesar Millan 13:44 No, no. We're still in San Diego.

Lewis Howes 13:46 Okay, gotcha. Got it.

Cesar Millan 13:46 Yeah, so that was my first opportunity. So I, you know, I'm walking around, 'cause you never get, uh, to work in the same place you work a day before 'cause you're illegal.

Lewis Howes 13:54 Mm.

Cesar Millan 13:54 Right?

Lewis Howes 13:54 Mm.

Cesar Millan 13:54 So yeah, they don't wanna get in trouble. And there's always an empty, an empty space, you know, the people didn't show up or things like that.

Lewis Howes 14:00 Uh-huh.

Cesar Millan 14:00 So the, the bottom-of-the-pack work jobs, uh, they're always available 'cause they pay so little, [laughs] you know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 14:07 Wow. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 14:07 So people just quit. And so for us it's, it's a perfect opportunity. So and then I start, you know, start moving along in San Diego, in Chula Vista actually.

Lewis Howes 14:14 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 14:15 I, uh, and, and I, I, I stop by this grooming salon and I say, "I'm gonna practice 'Do you have application for work?'" And I, I know I know dogs. So I went in there. Two, uh, Caucasian ladies were in the front and I said, "Do you have application for work?" Older ladies and, and they start speaking to me in English and, and you see me like, "I have no idea what-"

Lewis Howes 14:33 Uh

Cesar Millan 14:33 ... "you're saying. I just learned that sentence, ma'am." [laughs] You know? But they brought me in the back. They had a Cocker Spaniel.

Lewis Howes 14:39 Mm.

Cesar Millan 14:39 A- and they, and, and, uh, when they moved to the dog, to the Cocker Spaniel, the Cocker Spaniel launch on them, right? And I said, "Huh, I see why the dog is launching on them. They're moving too fast." And, and so I, so I went in there and I, you know, v- very Charlie Chaplin, you know, it's all very-

Lewis Howes 14:54 Mm

Cesar Millan 14:54 ... hand signals and energy. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 14:56 Wait, wait. One more minute, y'all.

Cesar Millan 14:58 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 14:58 Work from home. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 14:59 That's right, corona. Everybody- [laughs]

Lewis Howes 15:01 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 15:02 Everybody understand that word. Uh, so I went in and grabbed the dog, and I start grooming the dog, and the ladies were in shock that, that, you know, this strange guy, new guy, you know-

Lewis Howes 15:10 Had the touch

Cesar Millan 15:11 ... guy from the street was able to convince this dog. So-

Lewis Howes 15:14 Mm

Cesar Millan 15:14 ... so that day I make $60, 'cause in grooming they pay 50% of profit.

Lewis Howes 15:21 Wow.

Cesar Millan 15:21 You know? Which I, it, and I remember that I gave them $50 back and I said, "I can't take this. Too much money." Right? 'Cause I, I thought that I was only gonna get that job for that day.

Lewis Howes 15:30 Right.

Cesar Millan 15:30 And I felt that I was getting overpaid, right? $60 and I just spent, like, an hour and a half or something. And, and, uh, so, and they said, "No, no, no. You have to keep it. This is what you earn." Right? And so in my head [laughs] is-

Lewis Howes 15:42 Wow

Cesar Millan 15:42 ... "Why do I want so many hot dogs?" [laughs]

Lewis Howes 15:44 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 15:44 That's just so many hot dogs. I just want my two hot dogs a day.

Lewis Howes 15:47 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 15:48 And so the ladies, uh, asked me to come back the next day.

Lewis Howes 15:50 Mm.

Cesar Millan 15:51 And that's where I st- I stayed there permanently for a while, and they let me take a shower. That's when I f- I took my first shower in the United States on a bathtub.

Lewis Howes 15:59 Wow.

Cesar Millan 15:59 Yeah. I g- I was, uh, sleeping under a freeway, so I was homeless. They find out that I was homeless and they let me sleep inside their, their, their pet shop.

Lewis Howes 16:08 Wow.

Cesar Millan 16:08 So I gained their trust. The point is I gained their trust-

Lewis Howes 16:10 Yeah

Cesar Millan 16:10 ... and they don't know who I was, right? So it's something they felt about me. They, they felt they, they can trust me with their keys.

Lewis Howes 16:17 Wow.

Cesar Millan 16:18 And so from there I made $1,000 by working every single day. Every-

Lewis Howes 16:22 A thousand was a day?

Cesar Millan 16:24 A thousand. No, not a day.

Lewis Howes 16:24 No.

Cesar Millan 16:25 Throughout the, throughout the, like, three weeks.

Lewis Howes 16:26 Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Wow.

Cesar Millan 16:27 Yeah, throughout three weeks.

Lewis Howes 16:28 That's pretty good.

Cesar Millan 16:28 That was-

Lewis Howes 16:29 You loaded

Cesar Millan 16:29 ... my dad was, didn't make $1,000 in a year.

Lewis Howes 16:32 Wow.

Cesar Millan 16:33 Yeah, I'm making $1,000. [laughs] It's like that's a lot of money. So do you remember Miller Opus, or you're too young? You're too young. So like-

Lewis Howes 16:40 Sounds familiar. Sounds familiar

Cesar Millan 16:40 ... so it's like TJ Maxx of Marshalls, right? So it's the equivalent of that, and Miller Opus-

Lewis Howes 16:45 Mm

Cesar Millan 16:45 ... was the place where you can buy Levi's.

Lewis Howes 16:47 Mm.

Cesar Millan 16:47 And I always wanted an original Levi's, right? So that's, that's what's the first thing I got.

Lewis Howes 16:53 Mm.

Cesar Millan 16:53 Uh, 'cause I always had the hand-me-downs from my cousins and all of that stuff.

Lewis Howes 16:57 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 16:57 And, and so I got my first Levi's and my first shirt. Uh, that, that's what I did with my $1,000.

Lewis Howes 17:03 Wow.

Cesar Millan 17:03 And then I saved the money 'cause I knew that I needed to go through San Clemente, you know, uh, 'cause it's another immigration point, and you can only pass it through, through a bus.

Lewis Howes 17:11 Mm.

Cesar Millan 17:11 But you can, you can't... So you, that's when you get to, it's very important to know people in the street because they are the lookouts.

Lewis Howes 17:17 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 17:17 Right? So and then they tell you when their immigration is not stopping buses.

Lewis Howes 17:21 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 17:21 So that's the day that I took the Greyhound and moved to LA. I, I arrive at the, uh, uh, this place where all the, uh, uh, people were, uh, high.

Lewis Howes 17:32 Mm-hmm. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 17:33 What is it called? [laughs] Yeah, downtown LA. There, yeah.

Lewis Howes 17:35 Sure.

Cesar Millan 17:35 There's a, what do they call it? What is it called, uh, the place where all these people are- Skid Row. Skid Row.

Lewis Howes 17:40 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 17:41 That's when I find out Skid Row place and, and, you know, I'm f- I didn't know what they were.

Lewis Howes 17:46 Right.

Cesar Millan 17:46 I never seen addicts on the streets. I never, never in my life I seen-

Lewis Howes 17:50 Mm

Cesar Millan 17:50 ... I seen addicts. And, uh, I see people selling things in Mexico, right? You s- you see people-

Lewis Howes 17:55 Right, right

Cesar Millan 17:55 ... but you never seen, like, an addict. And, uh, and these people were camping. You know what I mean? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:00 Right.

Cesar Millan 18:00 Camping, it smells bad and, uh-

Lewis Howes 18:02 Yeah

Cesar Millan 18:02 ... so I'm walking in the middle and said, "Oh, I guess this is LA." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:05 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 18:05 And so, so I move out of there. I, the next day I got the Yellow Pages and I call, uh, a shelter, 'cause I wanted to start, you know, I wanted to start working with-

Lewis Howes 18:14 Dog shelter

Cesar Millan 18:15 ... dog shelter.

Lewis Howes 18:16 Yep.

Cesar Millan 18:16 Yeah, dog shelter. Wants to start working, and I got a job as a kennel boy. ... a kennel person.

Lewis Howes 18:21 Uh-huh.

Cesar Millan 18:21 I was 21 at that time, so.

Lewis Howes 18:23 Sure.

Cesar Millan 18:23 Still-

Lewis Howes 18:24 Wow. Okay. And so you're working with dogs there?

Cesar Millan 18:27 No.

Lewis Howes 18:27 No?

Cesar Millan 18:27 I was, I was cleaning kennels. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:29 Oh, you weren't working with the dogs.

Cesar Millan 18:30 I was cleaning poop. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:30 Oh, wow.

Cesar Millan 18:31 Because I'm an immigrant, you know? And so, so-

Lewis Howes 18:32 Sure

Cesar Millan 18:33 ... I, I'm an immigrant, I don't speak English.

Lewis Howes 18:35 Right.

Cesar Millan 18:35 And, uh, so there is no evaluation of me as a person.

Lewis Howes 18:39 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 18:39 It was eval- it's, it's more an evaluation of me as a perception.

Lewis Howes 18:43 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 18:43 So he can only clean kennels. But then I start working with dogs-

Lewis Howes 18:47 Uh-huh

Cesar Millan 18:47 ... and I start gaining a reputation, you know, 'cause the dogs behave different for me. Just like they did in the grooming salon.

Lewis Howes 18:53 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 18:53 And that's where I started creating my own clientele.

Lewis Howes 18:56 Really?

Cesar Millan 18:56 Yeah. That's why I moved to Inglewood. So one of my, one of the, one of the guys there say, "You know what? You're, you're good. You're good with dogs. Come and do it, uh, in my house, and you can start working with the people around Inglewood." Um, that's how it happened.

Lewis Howes 19:11 Wow. And so you started working with the people at this one house or, and then it started to evolve from there or?

Cesar Millan 19:16 Yeah, he gave me a, a place to live.

Lewis Howes 19:18 Really?

Cesar Millan 19:18 You know, he's, he gave me a place to live in, in, uh, his name was Ross. A Mexican Jewish guy.

Lewis Howes 19:23 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 19:23 Yeah. Weird, right? [laughs] But, uh, that's the first Mexican Jewish guy I ever met in my life. His name was Ross and a cool guy, he had a dog named Psych, a Rottweiler.

Lewis Howes 19:32 Cool.

Cesar Millan 19:32 So I became his dog, you know, um-

Lewis Howes 19:34 Trainer and-

Cesar Millan 19:34 ... trainer-

Lewis Howes 19:34 ... keeper and-

Cesar Millan 19:35 ... keeper and-

Lewis Howes 19:35 Yeah

Cesar Millan 19:35 ... all of that stuff, and he gave me a, an apartment in the back of his house, so.

Lewis Howes 19:39 Just to-

Cesar Millan 19:40 Yeah, so I just-

Lewis Howes 19:41 ... keep the dog

Cesar Millan 19:41 ... had to pay $300 a, a month.

Lewis Howes 19:43 Wow.

Cesar Millan 19:43 You know? Which that's the first time I started actually paying for, for an apartment.

Lewis Howes 19:46 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 19:47 So it was, it was, it was all, uh, unusual for me and shock, but I managed to make it happen.

Lewis Howes 19:54 Mm-hmm. And when did you realize that, like, this could be something like a big business for you, or this could be something that could be your life's work that is paying more than, you know, 50 bucks a day or whatever it was at the time, but really making a movement around it the way you have?

Cesar Millan 20:09 Yeah, the movement came later. Uh, the, the awareness of, um, I can, uh, provide a different service than what the people in America are used to. 'Cause everybody in America goes for a vet, uh, a groomer, a dog trainer, right? And, uh, especially in LA, dog walkers were not so popular. Like dog walkers are popular in New York-

Lewis Howes 20:31 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 20:31 ... or dog walkers are popular in Buenos Aires, Argentina, right?

Lewis Howes 20:34 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 20:34 So over there, people are, dog walkers are popular, but in LA they were not as popular. So I start doing dog walking services, $10 per dog.

Lewis Howes 20:41 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 20:42 Super cheap.

Lewis Howes 20:43 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 20:43 Right? And so I, I will do 30 dogs, 40 dogs. So yeah, so I make good money. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 20:50 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 20:50 I charge little per-

Lewis Howes 20:51 At a time?

Cesar Millan 20:51 ... walk, but, but in quantity. Yeah, at a time.

Lewis Howes 20:53 30 dogs at one time walking.

Cesar Millan 20:54 Which that exactly that-

Lewis Howes 20:55 30 leashes.

Cesar Millan 20:56 Not all of them.

Lewis Howes 20:57 Wow.

Cesar Millan 20:57 Many of them were off leash.

Lewis Howes 20:58 Oh, really?

Cesar Millan 20:59 Yeah. That's, that was the, that's when they started saying that I was crazy. 'Cause here's this Mexican guy who can walk a pack of Rottweilers, pit bulls-

Lewis Howes 21:06 Off leash

Cesar Millan 21:06 ... and German ... Off leash.

Lewis Howes 21:07 Who usually need a leash.

Cesar Millan 21:09 But dogs don't need a leash.

Lewis Howes 21:10 Right. Well, with their owners they need a leash.

Cesar Millan 21:12 Yeah, that's right.

Lewis Howes 21:12 Yes.

Cesar Millan 21:12 Yeah. But in reality, dogs-

Lewis Howes 21:14 Wow

Cesar Millan 21:14 ... don't need a leash. So that actually became the reputation that I built, you know? But it was, it was between this crazy guy and this, "I don't know what he's doing" kinda thing.

Lewis Howes 21:24 Hmm. Hmm.

Cesar Millan 21:24 You know? But the good thing is I was in the hood, and you can break a lot of rules in the hood. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 21:28 Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 21:29 So if I do it in Beverly Hills-

Lewis Howes 21:30 You get run out of town. Yeah

Cesar Millan 21:31 ... [laughs] I would be like terrorist.

Lewis Howes 21:32 No.

Cesar Millan 21:32 Right? So here, what ... So in the hood, it was let's, this Mexican guy walking with a pack of dogs and he's crazy.

Lewis Howes 21:38 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 21:38 You know? But, but then I start-

Lewis Howes 21:39 But you're doing something extreme

Cesar Millan 21:40 ... working with the dogs in the a- you know, from back then, the, uh, the Great Western Forum was, was in Inglewood, so then all the em- uh, the Lakers would send the assistants to find out about this-

Lewis Howes 21:49 Really?

Cesar Millan 21:50 ... about this guy the people talk about. So you know, you develop a reputation.

Lewis Howes 21:54 Of course.

Cesar Millan 21:54 You develop this legend thing here in the streets.

Lewis Howes 21:57 Uh-huh.

Cesar Millan 21:57 You know, that's where you-

Lewis Howes 21:58 Mythical Mexican, right? [laughs]

Cesar Millan 21:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs] That's right.

Lewis Howes 22:00 That's a good nickname for you.

Cesar Millan 22:01 It's crazy, that-

Lewis Howes 22:02 The Mythical Mexican. Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 22:02 That's right. Yeah. So that's, that's how I started.

Lewis Howes 22:05 Wow.

Cesar Millan 22:05 You know? And so I w- I used to work from Inglewood to South Central, then I, you know, I, Andre, my first son, came into, uh, into my life, and then I was, I need to be a dad so, um, so I would bring him in, you know, with me and the people would see the, this guy with a kid and, uh, dogs. And then Calvin came around, and then by that time Andre was already using the bike.

Lewis Howes 22:25 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 22:26 And then I was pushing the stroller. That's when I started using rollerblades.

Lewis Howes 22:28 Uh-huh.

Cesar Millan 22:29 So I would push the stroller, right? And, uh, and so I have my two boys, one is in a bike, the other one is in a stroller with a pack of Rottweilers and pit bulls and German shepherd.

Lewis Howes 22:37 Wow.

Cesar Millan 22:37 That was their life, by the way. That was my boys' life.

Lewis Howes 22:40 They grew up with that. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 22:40 They grew up with a pack of 65.

Lewis Howes 22:42 Holy cow.

Cesar Millan 22:42 Yeah. I grew up with eight. They grew up with 65.

Lewis Howes 22:45 Wow.

Cesar Millan 22:45 'Cause the dad was rescuing dogs and rehabilitating dogs. So that became my job. You know, that's when I say, "Okay, I'm gonna train people and rehabilitate dogs. I'm not gonna train dogs." So that, that was an opportunity. That was a, an empty space that nobody was actually aiming for.

Lewis Howes 23:01 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 23:01 Everybody wanted to train dogs. And I said, "Why would you train a dog when the humans are the one that causing the problem?"

Lewis Howes 23:06 Right. 'Cause you train the dog, but then the human is gonna keep causing the problem, right?

Cesar Millan 23:10 That's right, because the human hasn't changed.

Lewis Howes 23:11 Right.

Cesar Millan 23:11 So when, when you, when you, when you, um, when you choose to train dogs, the dog normally goes to a school, right? And the dog-

Lewis Howes 23:18 There's someone else training it

Cesar Millan 23:19 ... someone t- so it's-

Lewis Howes 23:20 Yeah

Cesar Millan 23:20 ... it's living with somebody else, and the dog gets used to, to the handler, but doesn't mean the dog transfer that experience into your house, right? 'Cause the dogs don't rationalize.

Lewis Howes 23:29 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 23:29 So if you send the kids to school, yeah, the good is gonna, the kid is gonna come up with the knowledge and he can teach you as a parent, right? But a dog is not gonna come and say, "Hold on. You're holding the leash wrong." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 23:39 Right. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 23:39 "You're not saying the command right." You know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 23:42 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 23:42 "You're, you're losing your patience." The dog is not gonna give you that feedback.

Lewis Howes 23:45 Mm-hmm. Hmm.

Cesar Millan 23:46 So a lot of times people were just pretty much, uh, um, not wasting, but in a way not really gaining the investment that they were making-

Lewis Howes 23:54 Yeah

Cesar Millan 23:54 ... because they were not growing themselves.

Lewis Howes 23:56 Right.

Cesar Millan 23:56 So I said, "Let, let me save you some money. Let me teach you, and then we walk, walk with the dog."

Lewis Howes 24:00 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 24:00 So the approach was a lot more, more-

Lewis Howes 24:02 Right

Cesar Millan 24:02 ... much different.

Lewis Howes 24:03 And what's the mindset that either you go into, maybe it's just so nat- second nature for you now, you don't even have to, like, go into the mindset, but what should be the mindset of an individual going into, let's just do a simple task of walking their dog? Should they think a certain way or act a certain way where preparing to go?

Cesar Millan 24:21 Actually, the best, the less you think, the, the more effective you are. 'Cause you're, you're not, uh, thinking can also make you question yourself.

Lewis Howes 24:28 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 24:29 Or you can waste one second. In the animal world, one second is a lot. So it's actually about being Being versus thinking. So w- how should I be? You should, you should calm your emotions and only think what you want to accomplish, right? So that's why I say calm and assertive, so it's calm and confident. So when you're thinking, you're hesitating.

Lewis Howes 24:51 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 24:51 You know, you're, you're thinking too much, too long, and the animal says you don't know what to do.

Lewis Howes 24:55 Hmm. Doesn't trust you.

Cesar Millan 24:56 Yeah. No, because-

Lewis Howes 24:57 Right

Cesar Millan 24:57 ... no, it's not that he doesn't trust you, it's just he- they, they don't really know what the hell you're doing [laughs]

Lewis Howes 25:01 Right

Cesar Millan 25:02 You know what I mean? You're thinking, but they don't know you're thinking. What they know is you're not, you're not com- coming out with a conclusion or with a direction.

Lewis Howes 25:09 No certainty.

Cesar Millan 25:10 No certainty, you know? And no leadership, and leadership is protection and direction, and the direction have to be given at the moment it's needed. It's not until you're ready. It's when it's needed.

Lewis Howes 25:20 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 25:20 That's a big job to be a leader, you know? It's, it's-

Lewis Howes 25:24 Wow

Cesar Millan 25:24 ... it's for the survival of your family, and this family is a dog, and he functions based out of, of instincts. No thinking.

Lewis Howes 25:31 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 25:32 They, they don't, they don't debate things.

Lewis Howes 25:34 So-

Cesar Millan 25:34 They just fix things in the moment.

Lewis Howes 25:36 Yeah. So it's all about your way of being, your energy.

Cesar Millan 25:38 Yeah. It's, it's, it's that simple, by the way.

Lewis Howes 25:41 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 25:41 It's that simple. We are the only species that follow unstable pack leaders. Animals, it's impossible for them to follow instability.

Lewis Howes 25:50 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 25:50 Impossible. They don't follow instability, because instability leads them nowhere.

Lewis Howes 25:54 So they'll do their own thing or they'll le-

Cesar Millan 25:56 Or they take over the relationship.

Lewis Howes 25:58 Right. Right.

Cesar Millan 25:58 So in, in my case, you know, uh, in my case you can clear see how the dog is in control of their life. So outside we were talking to a gentleman that you introduced me-

Lewis Howes 26:09 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 26:09 ... and he said, "My dog love, love for me to drag him."

Lewis Howes 26:12 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 26:13 That's his perception.

Lewis Howes 26:14 Right. Right.

Cesar Millan 26:15 Why would a dog would like to be dragged?

Lewis Howes 26:17 Right.

Cesar Millan 26:17 You know? And then he come out with a, "Oh, he's doing sit-ups. That's what he's doing." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 26:21 He's strengthening his core. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 26:22 It was all very intellectual, you know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 26:25 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 26:25 It made no sense in the animal world.

Lewis Howes 26:26 Yes.

Cesar Millan 26:27 But in his mind made a lot of sense.

Lewis Howes 26:28 Mm-hmm. What if someone feels like, "You know, I feel like I'm certain and I'm confident and I'm leading and I'm, you know, poised and graceful, but it's still like, it feels like I'm dragging in some sense."

Cesar Millan 26:39 My friend, animals don't lie.

Lewis Howes 26:41 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 26:41 So you can think that you are, doesn't mean you are.

Lewis Howes 26:44 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 26:45 Yes. If you come from ego, selfishness, and envy, you're not gonna be very clear about how you feel.

Lewis Howes 26:50 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 26:50 So a lot of times people come from ego saying, "I am confident," but it's ego talking for you versus just being clear about it. Yeah, so that's why a dog is a perfect teacher of how you truly feel. They don't know how to lie. Only humans lie.

Lewis Howes 27:04 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 27:05 They have no idea how to lie. They're the most honest man- uh, friend you will ever have.

Lewis Howes 27:11 Wow.

Cesar Millan 27:11 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 27:11 So how do we, how do we train, uh, confidence in human beings? Or-

Cesar Millan 27:16 Well, first, before you train-

Lewis Howes 27:17 ... erasing the ego

Cesar Millan 27:18 ... before you train, awareness needs to rise, you know? Without, without awareness there is no possibilities, right?

Lewis Howes 27:28 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 27:28 And then through that awareness, then the human takes responsibility. Then once the human take responsibility, then you enter into surrender. That's when you can teach.

Lewis Howes 27:38 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 27:39 You can't teach a mind that think he knows everything.

Lewis Howes 27:42 That's a fact.

Cesar Millan 27:42 You can't. You can't. So, so fight, flight, avoid, and surrender. You can only teach the mind to surrender. The mind that fights, flight, and avoid, you can't.

Lewis Howes 27:50 Wow.

Cesar Millan 27:51 You can't. You can't.

Lewis Howes 27:51 So once they surrender, they're aware.

Cesar Millan 27:53 Once you surrender-

Lewis Howes 27:54 Uh-huh

Cesar Millan 27:55 ... what happens is you open up. That means you're willing to follow. Follow what? Direction. What direction? Yoga, meditation, math, whatever you want. Whatever you want.

Lewis Howes 28:04 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 28:04 'Cause now you open your mind to absorb information. Once you absorb it, then you have to feel it. Once you feel it, you're clear. Then you execute. Feeling and thought. You can do things without the feeling, it's not gonna look good.

Lewis Howes 28:19 Right.

Cesar Millan 28:19 Yeah. Dancer's a perfect example, right? They have to feel the music before they execute the act.

Lewis Howes 28:26 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 28:27 Yeah. Singers. You know when a singer is nervous. They can sing. They can think they're singing [laughs] but you know when it feels good.

Lewis Howes 28:34 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 28:35 It's a feeling.

Lewis Howes 28:36 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 28:36 It's an art.

Lewis Howes 28:37 Kind of gives you the goosebumps, right?

Cesar Millan 28:38 Huh?

Lewis Howes 28:38 Kind of gives you goosebumps when you feel it, when you see it-

Cesar Millan 28:41 It connects you

Lewis Howes 28:42 ... you know. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 28:42 It connects you to it, you know? It touches something deeply inside of you. You know, the soul, the heart, the, the bo- the body, and then the mind. The mind is the flesh. It's the last thing.

Lewis Howes 28:51 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 28:52 You know?

Lewis Howes 28:52 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 28:52 And the mind is the second thing, but really the deep side of you is the s- is the, is the soul, the spirit, and the heart where passion lives. That is really what we have to always connect.

Lewis Howes 29:05 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 29:05 And everything else is, you know, secondary.

Lewis Howes 29:09 Powerful. What's the thing that you feel like you get to train yourself on, or that you get to continue to open up and surrender to? Is there anything?

Cesar Millan 29:17 I think how people view things around the world. You know, my show is in 120 countries, and every country has its own perception of words.

Lewis Howes 29:25 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 29:25 Um, its own perception of how to be with dogs, you know-

Lewis Howes 29:28 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 29:28 ... and, and ego gets in the way. And a lot, and it's how, how can I influence? How can I practice patience? How can I practice calmness and stay confident with the message? 'Cause I know I can create world transformation. That's my goal. My goal is not to train people anymore. It's my goal to transform the world, to at least practice something so simple with a dog, right? So to remove chaos between human and dog. That's my goal, right?

Lewis Howes 29:55 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 29:55 And it's possible, because a dog is willing to go there.

Lewis Howes 29:58 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 29:58 Yeah, it's willing. A dog wants to live a joyful, harmonious, happy life.

Lewis Howes 30:02 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 30:02 That's it. That's- he doesn't care about wealth. He lives with h- homeless people.

Lewis Howes 30:06 Right.

Cesar Millan 30:06 He doesn't care if you're perfect. He lives with handicapped people. You understand?

Lewis Howes 30:12 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 30:12 So most of the time people can't accept the fact they don't have enough money, so they postpone happiness. Or they don't feel good enough. That means I have to work on my appearance. I don't accept myself for who I am. So they're not happy with themself, they're- therefore they don't love themselves. And that, that becomes shameful. So often human live in this shameful way of being where a dog knows that you feel bad about yourself. So how can he follow that energy?

Lewis Howes 30:39 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 30:39 How can he feel comfortable with that energy? How can he find no hostility in that energy where you're being hostile to you? So the dog when he expresses aggression it's because it's directly from the human who he lives with. See, aggression is not the problem, it's the outcome of a problem.

Lewis Howes 30:56 Right.

Cesar Millan 30:56 And a dog doesn't know how to lie, so he's gonna express himself. Not with a, with the intentions to hurt people. That's why I don't think we have problems with pit bulls or aggression. What is- that is the dog is the only one who's being honest to how he feels and who he lives with.

Lewis Howes 31:13 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 31:14 So it's reflection. It's time for reflection. It's time for us-

Lewis Howes 31:17 Yeah

Cesar Millan 31:17 ... to reset, take the time, breathe, relax, and really step back. Become a fa- a, a follower or a listener or a student. So that's what the new book is about the lessons from the pack.

Lewis Howes 31:30 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 31:30 What can you learn from a dog, right? But if a, if a human ego is, is too, is too much in front, they're gonna say, "What can I learn from a dog?" Life. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 31:39 [laughs] Everything.

Cesar Millan 31:40 What about that?

Lewis Howes 31:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 31:42 What about that?

Lewis Howes 31:42 Wow.

Cesar Millan 31:42 What if I'm not selfish? Well, and then you have a loving relationship because in order for you to have a loving relationship you have to take in consideration the other person's needs and wants.

Lewis Howes 31:52 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 31:52 When you're selfish, it's all about you. So unconsciously my clients, uh, live in a very selfish way of being, so they focus on fulfilling their needs first and foremost unconsciously.

Lewis Howes 32:05 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 32:05 Unconsciously. You know, 'cause they say, "Well, I want my dog to be my baby. I want my dog to be my accessory. I want a dog to be my companion. I want a dog to..." It's I, I, I, I, I, I, right? It's this what can I do, which a dog always, always comes with this, that disposition, how can I help you?

Lewis Howes 32:21 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 32:22 Right? A dog is always there for the pack and human is actually more for self nowadays.

Lewis Howes 32:26 Yes.

Cesar Millan 32:27 So the human is actually acting more like a cat than a dog.

Lewis Howes 32:30 [laughs] Yeah.

Cesar Millan 32:31 Even though humankind loves dogs more than cats.

Lewis Howes 32:34 I do love cats, though.

Cesar Millan 32:35 No, no.

Lewis Howes 32:35 I love both. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 32:36 But I'm saying there's more people-

Lewis Howes 32:37 In general, yeah, of course, yeah

Cesar Millan 32:37 ... there's more people they're, they actually are more dog people than cat people, and cat people don't really hang around.

Lewis Howes 32:42 Right.

Cesar Millan 32:42 'Cause there's no cat parks.

Lewis Howes 32:43 [laughs] You can't go to ... Right, right.

Cesar Millan 32:44 [laughs] So you guys are very limited-

Lewis Howes 32:47 Yes

Cesar Millan 32:47 ... on the, uh, social explosions-

Lewis Howes 32:48 Yes, yes

Cesar Millan 32:49 ... ex- exploration or in cat cafes.

Lewis Howes 32:51 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 32:51 You can't bring a cat in a cafe.

Lewis Howes 32:52 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 32:53 You know what I... So, so the cat behavior i- is, uh, is, is the, is a very, um, self.

Lewis Howes 32:59 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 33:00 You know? It's, it's away from, right? But the cat is, is programmed that way. I'm not saying is there anything wrong with the cat. I'm saying the cat is programmed that way.

Lewis Howes 33:08 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 33:09 That's why it's easier to, uh, to live with a cat-

Lewis Howes 33:11 Yeah

Cesar Millan 33:11 ... 'cause it's more independent.

Lewis Howes 33:13 Right. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 33:13 Right? That's the word they always use with the cat. It's just the cat doesn't really have that in- innate necessity-

Lewis Howes 33:19 Hmm

Cesar Millan 33:19 ... to be with someone.

Lewis Howes 33:21 Right.

Cesar Millan 33:21 Versus a horse, a goat, a pig, a chicken, a, an elephant, a dog, that, that human. That specie requires another-

Lewis Howes 33:33 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 33:33 ... something to be with.

Lewis Howes 33:34 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 33:34 And if you don't like humans, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna gravitate to some, some other specie. That's when people become hoarders.

Lewis Howes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 33:43 They hate humans.

Lewis Howes 33:44 Right. Right.

Cesar Millan 33:45 Right? But they end up having cats or dogs, which is not healthy either.

Lewis Howes 33:48 Yeah. Crazy. What's the biggest lesson you learned from, uh, one of the dogs you've been with?

Cesar Millan 33:55 Oh, my goodness.

Lewis Howes 33:56 Biggest lesson about life or yourself.

Cesar Millan 33:59 I, I don't, it's... The thing is when you are, uh, depends on what stage of life you are, right? I mean, when I was a adolescent and I moved from the, from the ranch to the city, uh, um, I was bullied because I was the, uh, kid-

Lewis Howes 34:14 Hmm

Cesar Millan 34:14 ... that was followed by dogs. And o- in Mexico-

Lewis Howes 34:16 Really?

Cesar Millan 34:16 ... it wasn't very popular to be followed by dogs. In America you get to be called a dog whisperer.

Lewis Howes 34:20 [laughs] Yeah.

Cesar Millan 34:21 In Mexico you get to be called el perrero, which is actually a negative thing.

Lewis Howes 34:25 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 34:25 You know? And so it's depend where you are at what time. To say that a dog can only teach you one thing is, is to limit it to the profound experiences-

Lewis Howes 34:33 Right

Cesar Millan 34:33 ... of life.

Lewis Howes 34:34 Right.

Cesar Millan 34:34 You know, when I became a father, you know, I didn't know how to raise them, but they do, they knew. I, I knew how to raise dogs, I just didn't never raised ch- humans.

Lewis Howes 34:42 Right.

Cesar Millan 34:42 [laughs] You know what I mean? And so, uh, when I got divorced, I didn't, I didn't know how to take a, uh, an information that I wasn't, I wasn't aware of.

Lewis Howes 34:52 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 34:53 You know? When, when my, when the kids separated from me in the moment of the divorce, I didn't know how to take that either. So it's so many-

Lewis Howes 35:00 Hmm

Cesar Millan 35:01 ... uncertainty moments in my life that you really need some, some wise person, or in this case for me a dog. You know, wanted to commit suicide. Uh, how do I take that? Why I feel like a failure? Why want to take away-

Lewis Howes 35:16 Hmm

Cesar Millan 35:16 ... uh, myself away from this earth? Why? Why is that all those feelings? And who was there every single time? A dog. But it depends, you know? Depends what have I learned.

Lewis Howes 35:25 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 35:25 It depends when what stage of my life you get me.

Lewis Howes 35:28 Wow.

Cesar Millan 35:29 You know? The good news is I'm, is I always have a dog near me. Thanks, God. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 35:33 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 35:33 You know what I mean? I, I went to the White House because of a dog.

Lewis Howes 35:36 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 35:36 I met Oprah because of a dog. I'm here because of a dog.

Lewis Howes 35:39 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 35:39 You know, I raise my kids. My kids have a TV show because of a dog. My parents in Mexico are fine because of dog.

Lewis Howes 35:45 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 35:45 So I'm the first human that-

Lewis Howes 35:48 Hmm

Cesar Millan 35:48 ... owes everything to a dog.

Lewis Howes 35:50 Well, what, uh, let's talk about the, uh... We only have a few minutes, but let's talk about the lesson that you learned going through a divorce. What was the biggest lesson about dogs you learned then?

Cesar Millan 36:00 Um, to accept. You know? Accept things that you are not in control of.

Lewis Howes 36:05 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 36:05 Uh, the acceptance part, you know, it was a... And to really go through that is- it's almost like you go on a rollercoaster. At least for me it felt like I was going down, down, down, down.

Lewis Howes 36:15 Really?

Cesar Millan 36:15 Yes. It's just-

Lewis Howes 36:16 Well, your career was going up, up, up, right?

Cesar Millan 36:19 Yeah, my career. My career-

Lewis Howes 36:21 But your personal relationship was going down

Cesar Millan 36:22 ... my personal re- relationship was going down [laughs] and my career was going up.

Lewis Howes 36:26 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 36:26 You know? So I, I got to be disconnected, uh, at once and, um, so not to be in tune or aware of-

Lewis Howes 36:34 Hmm

Cesar Millan 36:34 ... when that was happening. And, um, you know, that's... And I realized that sometimes- Um, humans are not compatible. We were not compatible from the beginning. We tried to make it work for the boys, but we were not compatible. She was actually a cat person.

Lewis Howes 36:50 Oh.

Cesar Millan 36:51 She was not a dog person.

Lewis Howes 36:52 Interesting.

Cesar Millan 36:52 And you married a dog whisperer. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 36:53 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 36:55 That was not really good.

Lewis Howes 36:56 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 36:57 So that was not good. But it, it, you know, um, it was the, it was like that's when compatibility-

Lewis Howes 37:03 Mm

Cesar Millan 37:03 ... to me became so real.

Lewis Howes 37:04 Mm.

Cesar Millan 37:05 I always knew compatibility with dogs. I always get the right dog for me. Like, I-

Lewis Howes 37:08 Really?

Cesar Millan 37:09 I can have 30, 40, 50, 100, and, and I, I c- I always get the, the energy that is compatible to what I like. I love all dogs, but a, a certain energy is gonna be easier for me to deal with.

Lewis Howes 37:20 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 37:20 You know? And, and, and for them, and for them vice v- versa. But that's, that's when I realized that compatibility has to be, have to play a big role in who I'm going to share my life with-

Lewis Howes 37:31 Mm

Cesar Millan 37:32 ... in a human form.

Lewis Howes 37:33 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 37:33 You know? And understand, you know, the, the, the, uh, the psychology of women is completely different, and their goals and their needs and everything else.

Lewis Howes 37:41 Uh, how... [laughs] I don't know where I should go here, but compared to dogs, how is the psychology of women compared to that?

Cesar Millan 37:48 Well, the needs, the needs, you know-

Lewis Howes 37:50 Yeah

Cesar Millan 37:50 ... is, uh, is, is, is, um... Let me drink water.

Lewis Howes 37:54 Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 37:57 Dogs are instinctual. Women are emotional, right? And so you have to, uh, surrender to that.

Lewis Howes 38:05 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 38:05 They're not wrong for it. They're just that way.

Lewis Howes 38:09 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 38:09 Right? And so you have to take in consideration that when emotions are surfacing, they're going to have a long time conversation, right? And you have to be in the follower state.

Lewis Howes 38:21 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 38:21 You have to be in a listening state.

Lewis Howes 38:23 Patient.

Cesar Millan 38:24 Yeah, and you can't say 30 minutes of that. [laughs] So you can't put time, so.

Lewis Howes 38:28 It could be hours.

Cesar Millan 38:28 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 38:29 It could be days.

Cesar Millan 38:29 It is what it is, my friend.

Lewis Howes 38:31 Yeah, yeah.

Cesar Millan 38:31 So, so-

Lewis Howes 38:31 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 38:32 So, so the best thing to do-

Lewis Howes 38:34 I've been there

Cesar Millan 38:34 ... so the best thing to do is to really be in love with the person you're about to sit down because the love is what feeds the patience.

Lewis Howes 38:42 Mm. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 38:43 You see? So if you're not in love, it's gonna be very hard, so you're gonna come out with your set of rules, boundaries, and limitations-

Lewis Howes 38:49 Mm

Cesar Millan 38:49 ... which you're not going to allow them to express themselves the way they want to, so they're not gonna feel validated-

Lewis Howes 38:56 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 38:56 ... or, or, uh, taken considerations.

Lewis Howes 38:58 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 38:58 So they're gonna say, "It's always your needs." So I was like, "No, no, I give you 30 minutes." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:03 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 39:04 You know what I mean? So, so that's, that's, uh-

Lewis Howes 39:06 Right, right

Cesar Millan 39:06 ... actually very, very important that I learned through that-

Lewis Howes 39:08 Oh

Cesar Millan 39:09 ... you know? Um, as... Which I knew how to do it with dogs.

Lewis Howes 39:13 But not with humans?

Cesar Millan 39:14 No, no.

Lewis Howes 39:15 Really?

Cesar Millan 39:15 I've never been married. That was my first marriage.

Lewis Howes 39:17 Wow.

Cesar Millan 39:18 You know, my first marriage, my first... Uh, in a- in my culture, we don't talk about woman psychology, you know?

Lewis Howes 39:25 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 39:25 So we immediately go into training instead of fulfilling, which is a big, bad step because what I teach the people is about fulfilling the needs of a dog before you go to train a dog. So then I started learning all the parallels that, that I was doing, breaking the rules or, or the nature of a woman. I always said, "Never work against Mother Nature," and that applies to the nature of a woman.

Lewis Howes 39:48 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 39:48 So I learn a lot in that marriage, you know? And so now in my new, my new relationship, I'm a really good student. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:55 Yeah, that's great.

Cesar Millan 39:56 I have the patience of a, of a saint.

Lewis Howes 39:58 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:58 That's great. And how are you managing, um, your career at the time of this, you know, emotional stress and disconnection? How were you able to stay focused, and was it affecting it, or...?

Cesar Millan 40:11 Uh, in the beginning I didn't manage my career. It was managed by somebody else.

Lewis Howes 40:15 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 40:15 So I went into a, a lawsuit and, uh, I was not in control of my-

Lewis Howes 40:19 Hmm

Cesar Millan 40:19 ... uh, you know, intellectual, uh, uh, uh, things, you know?

Lewis Howes 40:22 Hmm.

Cesar Millan 40:22 Um, and so it, it... So I realized that, so that's the beautiful part about, you know, uh, the, what I went through, that I realized that I was not really leading that side of my life.

Lewis Howes 40:31 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 40:32 I was pretty much a follower and employee. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 40:34 Right, right, right. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 40:35 Which I... then I find out that a lot of, a, a l- a lot of guys in Hollywood go through it, you know?

Lewis Howes 40:39 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 40:39 They don't really own-

Lewis Howes 40:40 Yeah

Cesar Millan 40:40 ... the intellectual property.

Lewis Howes 40:41 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 40:41 And so that was a great thing. And, uh, from that point on I learned, okay, so I have to pretty much understand that I have to lead that world as well-

Lewis Howes 40:50 Yeah

Cesar Millan 40:50 ... you know, in order for the, for, for me not to have that experience again.

Lewis Howes 40:55 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 40:55 And so I went back. I went all the way to back- bankruptcy. I already knew how-

Lewis Howes 40:59 Oh

Cesar Millan 40:59 ... to be without money.

Lewis Howes 41:00 Right.

Cesar Millan 41:00 So it wasn't a big deal for me. That, that really-

Lewis Howes 41:02 And the show was already through- the show was taking off at the time and-

Cesar Millan 41:04 Yeah, yeah. Everything was gone.

Lewis Howes 41:05 Wow.

Cesar Millan 41:05 It's just I have no money.

Lewis Howes 41:07 Wow.

Cesar Millan 41:07 [laughs] You know what I mean?

Lewis Howes 41:08 [laughs]

Cesar Millan 41:09 I have zero money. I have this, uh, popularity-

Lewis Howes 41:12 Hmm

Cesar Millan 41:12 ... and I have this relationship-

Lewis Howes 41:14 Awareness

Cesar Millan 41:14 ... you know-

Lewis Howes 41:14 Influence, yeah

Cesar Millan 41:14 ... with the networks. But, but when it came to money, working for so many years, I had zero. So I went back. I went back to my old self, so it was li- slap in the face from, from, from life. And, like, snap out of it and, you know, and understand that you have to also lead this side of life. So I took it that way. I took it in a very optimistic, very, uh, you know, positive way, and I didn't really dwell on that one.

Lewis Howes 41:36 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 41:36 You know? For me, like, bankruptcy wasn't a big deal. Money is not a big deal for me, even though I make good money.

Lewis Howes 41:42 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 41:42 Uh, what, what's... For me, it's about the goal in life I have, the mission.

Lewis Howes 41:46 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 41:46 You know? Money's a byproduct. Money follows.

Lewis Howes 41:49 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 41:49 I don't follow money. So for me, that was, that was in so much me. It was about the pack, the family, the wellbeing and all of that. That's, that's why I have such a hard time-

Lewis Howes 41:58 Mm-hmm

Cesar Millan 41:58 ... dealing with because I was doing everything by the book.

Lewis Howes 42:02 Yeah. Yeah.

Cesar Millan 42:02 You know? I, I was a good follower. I was a good team member. You know? I, I, I work hard. You know? I got great positive energy, but then this thing happened, and it needed to happen. Now I'm the... It just the greatest thing that happened to me.

Lewis Howes 42:16 Wow. That's great.

Cesar Millan 42:17 You know? Greatest, greatest thing to happen to me.

Lewis Howes 42:18 You learned a lot. Through the adversity, you learned a lot.

Cesar Millan 42:19 I can help a lot of guys.

Lewis Howes 42:21 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 42:21 Do you know what I mean? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 42:22 Yeah. [laughs]

Cesar Millan 42:22 In order for you to help, you actually have to be there.

Lewis Howes 42:24 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 42:24 You can't just talk base because you read a book and you went to school. If you go through there, that is the best school in the world-

Lewis Howes 42:29 Yeah

Cesar Millan 42:29 ... 'cause you can empathize with the person.

Lewis Howes 42:32 I have so many questions I'm gonna have to ask you afterwards.

Cesar Millan 42:34 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 42:34 Uh, I have three final questions. Is that okay? Okay, three final questions. Um, and before I ask them, I wanna make sure everyone gets the book. It's called Lessons From the Pack: Stories of the Dogs Who Changed-

Cesar Millan 42:44 My Life

Lewis Howes 42:44 ... my life, your life. And you also have a new show out, right?

Cesar Millan 42:48 Dog Nation.

Lewis Howes 42:48 Coming out. Dog Nation.

Cesar Millan 42:49 Yes.

Lewis Howes 42:50 And, and what is different about this show from-

Cesar Millan 42:52 Everything. Everything, everything. Number one, I'm bringing my 22-year-old son on the road. As a father, I wanna make sure that they continue being a service to the world, you know? What we do here-

Lewis Howes 43:02 Mm

Cesar Millan 43:02 ... is, is a, is a job that changes people's life, you know, just by sometimes listening, sometimes supporting, sometimes, you know, bringing different, uh, points of views. And at the same time we have a beautiful platform that can help a lot of organizations who are doing great things in our communities already.

Lewis Howes 43:17 Mm.

Cesar Millan 43:17 You know? And so I want him to have that humanitarian side. Of course, I want to make sure that I honor what people have got to know me, which is coming to people's home and changing their life and, 'cause Cesar came to my house-

Lewis Howes 43:29 Yes

Cesar Millan 43:29 ... and I helped them. And then I do live demonstrations in the show where you see in real time transformations, where you can take, you know, tips home with it, 'cause you're seeing this transformation live.

Lewis Howes 43:38 Mm.

Cesar Millan 43:39 Okay? So you have the three elements that I have done all my life, live events, in home consultation, and always helping organizations. So Dog Nation is about that. It's about making sure that in any kind of, uh, situation you can help.

Lewis Howes 43:52 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 43:52 You know, so you have the fun, you have the education, and you have the heart.

Lewis Howes 43:56 Mm. That's great.

Cesar Millan 43:57 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 43:58 And it's on Nat Geo, right?

Cesar Millan 43:59 Nat Geo Wild.

Lewis Howes 44:00 Nat Geo Wild. Okay.

Cesar Millan 44:01 Nat Geo Wild. Yes, it's-

Lewis Howes 44:02 Okay, cool

Cesar Millan 44:02 ... N- uh, uh, Nat Geo focus on humans, and Nat Geo Wild focus on animals.

Lewis Howes 44:06 Wild. Gotcha.

Cesar Millan 44:07 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 44:07 Yeah, gotcha. Um, awesome. And where can they learn about you with all this stuff? They can get the book at your website, and they can get it in bookstores everywhere. What's your main site?

Cesar Millan 44:15 Oh, yeah, we have a, a website called cesarsway. cesarsway.com. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 44:18 Mm.

Cesar Millan 44:18 cesarsway.com, where you have all the information.

Lewis Howes 44:19 It's got everything on there.

Cesar Millan 44:21 Eh, all the information. We have a community, you know-

Lewis Howes 44:23 Yeah

Cesar Millan 44:23 ... where, uh, people can help each other, suggest each other. I think that is really what I wanna convey in the world with a place where you can, everybody who... Everybody can help.

Lewis Howes 44:32 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 44:32 Just suggestion. Everybody suggestion sometimes. A, a certain word changes different understanding.

Lewis Howes 44:37 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 44:38 You know?

Lewis Howes 44:38 Yeah. Okay. Question number one is, what are you most grateful for in your life recently?

Cesar Millan 44:46 Man, my life is so beautiful.

Lewis Howes 44:47 Mm.

Cesar Millan 44:49 I am grateful for this moment of being able to speak about something that I'm very passionate about it, you know what I mean? I am grateful that my two kids are a contribution to America, are, are a contribution to the world. Uh, they are a respectful human beings, you know? Uh, they are, um, practicing-

Lewis Howes 45:11 Mm

Cesar Millan 45:11 ... um, a very important part in life, which is to be a good role model.

Lewis Howes 45:15 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 45:15 Calvin is doing the, you know, preschoolers. Andre is doing the millenniums. And I'm doing the rest of-

Lewis Howes 45:20 Mm

Cesar Millan 45:20 ... uh, the humanity. I'm very grateful of that. Of course, I'm very grateful that my two parents are, are healthy-

Lewis Howes 45:26 Mm

Cesar Millan 45:26 ... and I'm gonna take them to my mom's biggest dream on, on, on, on the planet, which is going to Israel.

Lewis Howes 45:31 Mm.

Cesar Millan 45:32 I to- I promised that when, when I was little, and I said, "Mom, when I make money I'm gonna take you to Israel so you can step on the, on the land that Jesus touch-"

Lewis Howes 45:38 Oh, cool.

Cesar Millan 45:38 You know, she's very Catholic, so [laughs] -

Lewis Howes 45:39 Sure, sure.

Cesar Millan 45:40 I'm gonna be the-

Lewis Howes 45:41 It's a big deal

Cesar Millan 45:41 ... baddest son on Earth.

Lewis Howes 45:42 You're gonna be the [laughs]

Cesar Millan 45:43 You know? And of course I have, I have, uh, at this point the support that I need to continue my masculine side-

Lewis Howes 45:53 Mm

Cesar Millan 45:53 ... you know, which is my fiance. She has the feminine energy that feeds my masculine self. You understand? And that for me is, is beauty. When I come home it's just, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful place where I feel that I can heal.

Lewis Howes 46:09 Mm.

Cesar Millan 46:09 I can, uh, I can, um, ge- reenerg- uh, re-

Lewis Howes 46:15 Reenergize? Yeah

Cesar Millan 46:15 ... reenergize with the feminine energy that she has.

Lewis Howes 46:18 Wow.

Cesar Millan 46:19 You know? And she's very op- she's very optimistic, very positive, very sweet, uh, very understanding, very supportive. I mean, that's a lot of great things.

Lewis Howes 46:28 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 46:28 And on top of that she's gorgeous.

Lewis Howes 46:30 Mm.

Cesar Millan 46:30 Right? On top of that she cooks amazing.

Lewis Howes 46:32 [laughs] Thank you.

Cesar Millan 46:33 On top of that she cooks on heels. So there you go. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 46:36 [laughs] There you go.

Cesar Millan 46:37 So this is, like, biggest dream of a whisper.

Lewis Howes 46:40 The ultimate. Yeah [laughs]

Cesar Millan 46:41 [laughs] So that, um, you know. And I have a, I have great, uh, partners.

Lewis Howes 46:45 Mm-hmm.

Cesar Millan 46:45 I have great team of people right now. Um, you know, I, I am healthy.

Lewis Howes 46:50 Mm-hmm. Living the dream, man.

Cesar Millan 46:53 I, I am. I, my spirit is really happy right now.

Lewis Howes 46:56 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 46:56 My heart is really full. My instincts are in place, and my mind just creates so many op- opportunities.

Lewis Howes 47:02 Mm.

Cesar Millan 47:02 So I am fulfilling my four worlds, you know? So that to me is, is, is huge.

Lewis Howes 47:07 Amazing. Amazing.

Cesar Millan 47:08 Yeah. So I'm grateful for that.

Lewis Howes 47:09 Well, that's... Glad to hear that. Question number two is, uh, this is the last day for you many years from now. Many, many years from now. You've achieved everything that you set out to do. You've done TV shows and everyone's seen your shows. You've r- rehabilitated every human and trained every dog, and w- you know, everything you've ever wanted to do, you've done it, right?

Cesar Millan 47:29 So that's like a imagination?

Lewis Howes 47:32 No, this is like real.

Cesar Millan 47:32 Reality.

Lewis Howes 47:33 Yeah.

Cesar Millan 47:33 Okay.

Lewis Howes 47:33 It's like you've done everything you wanna do-

Cesar Millan 47:34 Okay

Lewis Howes 47:34 ... many years from now.

Cesar Millan 47:35 Okay. Oh, all right.

Lewis Howes 47:36 Many... 50, 70, 80-

Cesar Millan 47:37 I conquered China and everything

Lewis Howes 47:38 ... whatever you wanted to do.

Cesar Millan 47:39 Okay.

Lewis Howes 47:39 Yeah, you've done it.

Cesar Millan 47:40 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 47:41 But it's the last day.

Cesar Millan 47:42 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 47:42 Finally.

Cesar Millan 47:42 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 47:42 Right? And, um, all your friends and family are there.

Cesar Millan 47:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 47:46 It's a beautiful-

Cesar Millan 47:47 I'm gonna die?

Lewis Howes 47:48 Yeah, it's your last day on Earth.

Cesar Millan 47:49 Okay, okay, okay. Okay.

Lewis Howes 47:49 It's your last day on Earth.

Cesar Millan 47:50 Awesome.

Lewis Howes 47:50 But it's a w- long ways away.

Cesar Millan 47:52 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 47:52 Right? Right.

Cesar Millan 47:52 It's fine.

Lewis Howes 47:53 And, uh, [laughs] you've... Everything you've ever created, every TV show, book, everything you've got out there s-

Cesar Millan 48:00 All right

Lewis Howes 48:00 ... whatever reason, e- erased.

Cesar Millan 48:02 Erase.

Lewis Howes 48:03 It's gone.

Cesar Millan 48:04 Okay.

Lewis Howes 48:04 So people don't have access to the information you've created.

Cesar Millan 48:06 All right.

Lewis Howes 48:07 And you have a piece of paper and a pen.

Cesar Millan 48:09 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 48:09 And you get to write down three truths, the three things you know to be true-

Cesar Millan 48:14 Okay

Lewis Howes 48:14 ... about your entire experience in life, whether it be lessons or views on things.

Cesar Millan 48:18 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 48:18 But the three things that is the only thing that people would ha- to remember you by-

Cesar Millan 48:22 Yeah

Lewis Howes 48:22 ... is your information. So what would your three truths be?

Cesar Millan 48:26 Never work against mother nature, live in the moment, and fulfill the needs of others. That's it.

Lewis Howes 48:32 Simple. Those are beautiful.

Cesar Millan 48:34 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 48:34 Those are beautiful. Well, before I ask the third question, I wanna take a moment to acknowledge you, Cesar, for your incredible heart.

Cesar Millan 48:41 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 48:41 You've got such a gift of love, support, generosity, and

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