DO THIS To Organize Your Mind & ACHIEVE ANYTHING You Want! | Sadhguru & Lewis Howes

Sadhguru 0:00 Human being is a tremendous possibility. If you do not know how to harness this possib- possibility, every possibility will become a problem.

Lewis Howes 0:08 [upbeat music] Welcome everyone to the School Of Greatness podcast. I'm super honored and grateful to have Sadhguru in the house virtually. Thank you so much for being here, I appreciate it.

Sadhguru 0:25 Namaskaram. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:26 Yes. I've, uh... We were just talking about, uh, how we have, uh, similar lives crossing from across the world. You've been to my home state many times in Ohio, in, in Columbus. You're a big fan of aviation. And I've been near your, um, city as well. I've been to Chennai in India. Actually, a few years ago, I went to study meditation in India and became, I guess, a meditation instructor. I don't know how much you consider it since I only went for a few weeks to practice. But I have-

Sadhguru 0:57 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:57 ... in my, in my path of learning and educating myself on how to master the inner engineering that we all have. So, um, I'm, I'm super grateful for you because you continue to stand for peace, you continue to stand for awakening consciousness, and for living a better life. And I love the fact that you are a symbol of childlike energy in the world. Fun, play, and possibilities.

Sadhguru 1:25 Uh, why, why aren't a- why aren't adults fun, huh? What happened to them? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:29 [laughs] Exactly. I, I love the... I mean, adults, as you know, get caught up in a lot of things that aren't their true nature. And why is that? Why is that, do you think, that we forget how to play and think like a child when we grow up?

Sadhguru 1:47 See, uh, people have forgotten that in this vast cosmos where we don't know where is the beginning, where is the end, in the middle of nowhere, on a tiny little mud ball called Earth, you and me are sitting long distance and talking right now, okay? [laughs] So, and f- for the kind of creatures we are, we are not even a speck of dust in this universe. But we have an individual experience. This is the magnanimity of creation, that it's given us an individual experience, though we are nothing. Tomorrow if the whole humanity evaporates, nobody will miss us in this cosmos. That's how small we are. But we have an individual experience. So this individual experience, human beings have taken it rather too seriously, as if they are the beginning and end of the world. And, uh-

Lewis Howes 2:40 The center of the world, yeah.

Sadhguru 2:42 Yes. They thought they're the center of the universe. [laughs] So this misunderstanding makes them believe as they grow up, or as they degenerate, I would say, they don't really grow up. Because at the age of five if you're so joyful and energetic, by the time you are 30, you should be ecstatic and bursting. But [laughs] if the reverse has happened, this is degeneration of life. So this degeneration happens because people take their individual existence rather too seriously. They don't understand before you and me came here, countless number of people who thought they were smart, and they were strong, and they were beautiful, and they were wonderful, they are all topsoil now. Countless number of people. And you and me also will be one day, unless our friends to... our friends choose to bury us really deep, fearing that we may raise from the dead or something. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 3:35 [laughs]

Sadhguru 3:37 So we have taken our individual existence too seriously. Because of this, life has taken a backseat. Our physical structure has taken front seat. Our psychological structures have, you know, gone to the stratosphere. But the life that we are is somewhere which is not even in most people's experience. So this is the whole problem. When you are a child, you are just a piece of life. Slowly, you took your personality so seriously, you took your boundaries of your form so seriously, that you think this is it. So till death knocks on their door, they don't realize that this is not it. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 4:17 And, and you know, I've, I've learned that in some cultures they focus on death multiple times a day to bring them back to that moment of, "This is the only time we have. Make the most of this moment. Don't take things too seriously." Do you focus on death a lot throughout your days, or is that not something you think about?

Sadhguru 4:37 I live death all the time. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 4:40 You're on a motorcycle. [laughs]

Sadhguru 4:42 [laughs] Not just that, motorcycle I live. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 4:46 Yeah.

Sadhguru 4:47 Just now, if you do not know this, I just released a book on death.

Lewis Howes 4:51 Really?

Sadhguru 4:51 Do, do you know this? Yeah, it's a bestseller in India right now.

Lewis Howes 4:54 Wow.

Sadhguru 4:55 So, uh... [laughs]

Lewis Howes 4:55 Is it here in the USA yet? I gotta get a copy.

Sadhguru 4:59 We will send you a copy, but it's not released in USA. It's only released in by Penguin India. Because USA we're releasing another book, so this has been stalled. Uh, in US we are releasing-

Lewis Howes 5:10 Yeah

Sadhguru 5:10 ... a book on karma. [laughs] So-

Lewis Howes 5:13 Perfect. I need both. [laughs]

Sadhguru 5:15 [laughs] So the book is about, uh, it is only for those who shall die. That's how it is titled, Death: A Book for Only Those Who Shall Die. Because most people think other people die.

Lewis Howes 5:28 Hmm.

Sadhguru 5:29 [laughs] They don't realize we die. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 5:31 Right.

Sadhguru 5:32 They do not... See, death essentially means it reminds us that we have a limited amount of time and energy to live. Nobody has unlimited time or unlimited energy. If one is constantly conscious of this, definitely they will organize their life and they prioritize their life in much better way than the way they're doing it right now. This is a fundamental. Death does not mean something else. Not some terrible thing. Uh, death simply means- It is clearly reminding you, you have a limited lease of time and energy. That means you need to organize your time and energy to what is most valuable for you, not do one more thing that is not necessary for yourself or anybody around you. And because people think they are forever, they're in some restlessness all the time. I think they just put up a poem [laughs] which I wrote three, four days ago. It's called Life. "The most restless ones rest so well when life is taken out of them, as if the only curse was life."

Lewis Howes 6:36 What does that mean to rest so well? You mean sleep so well or live so well that you feel restful?

Sadhguru 6:41 Oh, even in sleep, they're rolling all over the place, huh? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 6:46 [laughs] They're not sleeping well.

Sadhguru 6:48 No, no. [laughs] They need to either drink or pop a pill to sleep, most of them.

Lewis Howes 6:55 So how do we get to a restful p- uh, place? Is it... Is it more about our thoughts? Is it more about our, our heart, our soul, our karma, our, our physical body? What's the place to start for rest?

Sadhguru 7:08 See, uh, right now people... Generally, people's understanding is rest means sleep. Wakefulness means something is happening. No, you have to make your wakefulness also restful. It is just like if you, uh, if you have an automobile who's running at a very high RPM all the time, it'll naturally wear itself out. So it's important that you run cool. So if you run at... running at a easy pace, your efficiency will go up, your ability to do things will go up, your competence will go up and everything. Above all, the number of hours that you sleep will go down dramatically. See, uh, for most people who are practicing Inner Engineering practices, their pulse rate is somewhere between 45 to 65.

Lewis Howes 8:00 Really?

Sadhguru 8:00 Many of them ... Yes, yes. Many of them below 45, between 35 to 45, also in sitting states, in restful states. So once your, uh, system is going at such an ease, then the need for rest will come down. There was a time, not anymore, I'm [laughs] becoming a little old and lazy these days. So [laughs] there was a time, three days and three nights if I don't sleep, I will still be perfectly normal. Still doing all my activity. Whole night I will drive. Next day, whole day I will teach. Whole night I will drive, and again, I will teach. Like this. Uh, these days I can do one night. Next day I will need to rest a little bit. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 8:41 Right, right. You take naps throughout the day now. Yeah.

Sadhguru 8:44 No, no, no. [laughs] No naps.

Lewis Howes 8:46 I'm joking. I'm joking. [laughs]

Sadhguru 8:49 For almost 25 years, more than 25 years, my average sleep time was only two and a half hours.

Lewis Howes 8:56 Wow.

Sadhguru 8:56 Today I'm sleeping between three and a half to four and a half hours.

Lewis Howes 9:00 You're getting lazy.

Sadhguru 9:01 Getting lazy. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 9:04 [laughs] Wow. Yeah, I think I did a five-mile run yesterday and my average heart rate was over 165. So I wonder if I can-

Sadhguru 9:13 Whoa

Lewis Howes 9:13 ... I wonder if I can do... Now I'm pushing it pretty hard on my run, so I wonder is there a way to work out hard and keep the heart rate lower than normal still, even while you're pushing and pumping so much blood?

Sadhguru 9:27 Uh, the important thing is, see how you easily oxygen and nutrients are distributed to the cellular level. That will determine. See, this has not been... Generally, they're not thinking on these lines. They're always thinking about increasing the lung capacity. Yes, that is also important, but the important thing is with how much ease the nutrients and oxygen get to the cellular level, accordingly your pulmonary system will function. But it's not only about the heart rate. Even at the cellular level, with how much, uh, t- stress or how much ease it's going, this can be determined. We have, uh, what is called as a cobra test for people. Would you like to go through cobra test? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 10:12 Uh, you mean getting bit by a cobra? [laughs]

Sadhguru 10:15 No, no, no. If it doesn't bite you, then it proves something. See, most of the venomous creatures are like this, particularly cobras. In the wild if you just go and pick up a cobra like that, he will simply come, not holding his head or anything. Simply in the middle of the body. Simply he will come effortlessly in your hands without any reaction, because he's only sensing your chemistry.

Lewis Howes 10:36 Hmm.

Sadhguru 10:36 If you show little anxiety, if you show even a little bit of anxiety, he will go for you. If you don't show any, he's very comfortable with you because he senses everything, his safety and his danger, only by the chemistry of your body. So, uh, this is a cobra test. People say... claim they're very meditative, we say, "Okay, let's do the cobra test." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 10:59 [laughs] Yeah. That's a, that's a... Do you do that test with people? [laughs]

Sadhguru 11:05 We can check you out. 165. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 11:08 I love your, uh [laughs] ... I, I'm really enjoying your Inner Engineering course right now. I've been going through it and I'm really enjoying it.

Sadhguru 11:14 Okay.

Lewis Howes 11:15 You have a quote, I think I'm gonna get the quote correct, I believe. I wrote it down. Where you said, "Only what you perceive you know. The rest is imagination." And you were talking about that, uh, in the context of what we learn in school. You were giving this example of, you know, we only really have 50% of our time available because the other 50% is with our faculties and with sleep. And for many years we learn things, the content, that we only use 1%, is what I remember you saying. What do you mean by this, "Only what you perceive you know. The rest is imagination"?

Sadhguru 11:57 See, uh, perception happens to you in five different dimensions. Seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching. This is how you're perceiving life. This data, data has gathered within you. Only because this data has gathered within you, now you're able to walk on a round planet which spins. It's not a small thing. It is not a small thing that you're able to walk on a spinning round ball.

Lewis Howes 12:25 [laughs]

Sadhguru 12:25 Because all this data has gathered through five senses, it is not intellectual information, but it is a perceptional information. If this information is not there, you won't be able to walk, actually. You will not be able to walk straight. This is what is happening for people when some people lose their memory and things like that, suddenly they become unstable in their body because some of the data has gotten disconnected with their system. So this data that you perceive is most important. That's what a child is all the time drinking up everything. You see how the child is looking at everything, because he wants to drink up as much data as possible because instinctively he knows without that data he will not be able to function. So how attentive you are, how attentive your eyes are, how attentive your ears, nose, tongue, and touch is, accordingly you have that much p- you know, that much, uh, usable information.

Lewis Howes 13:24 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 13:24 So why one person is more efficient? Well, you are an athlete. Why one person is able to catch a damn ball-

Lewis Howes 13:30 [laughs]

Sadhguru 13:30 ... another person can't catch the damn thing? Why is it? Because that level of attention of exactly how that ball will behave-

Lewis Howes 13:39 Mm

Sadhguru 13:39 ... how you can anticipate where it will go, this is not there. Intellectually, suppose you have a PhD in football, you think you can play football?

Lewis Howes 13:48 Uh-

Sadhguru 13:49 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 13:49 If you have a PhD? I, no, I think you need to experience it as well, if you just study it only.

Sadhguru 13:54 Yes.

Lewis Howes 13:55 Yeah.

Sadhguru 13:55 No, that is, that is not experience, it's perception.

Lewis Howes 13:59 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 13:59 You are... you're watching it out of your keen interest, you're watching exactly how a ball moves. You may not be thinking the physics of it, but you're watching it and perceiving it.

Lewis Howes 14:09 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 14:10 Because of that perception, you know something that you cannot know by reading 100 books about it.

Lewis Howes 14:16 That's true. You've gotta experience life.

Sadhguru 14:20 Of course. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 14:20 You've gotta experience it.

Sadhguru 14:21 That's the only reason we are here. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 14:23 [laughs] We ta-

Sadhguru 14:25 To experience life as, as profoundly as possible.

Lewis Howes 14:28 Absolutely.

Lewis Howes 14:29 What do you think is, is missing in the world the most right now? Especially here in America, there's a lot of... You know, we have corona and then people feel like they're suffering, they're angry, they're... Uh, they feel unjust with a lot of different things that are happening. What is missing in the world?

Sadhguru 14:50 See, talking about the situations in America, America has a, an unfortunately very cruel history. Whether, whether it concerns the Native Americans or the African, uh, Americans today, there's a very cruel history.

Lewis Howes 15:06 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 15:07 By trying to put it under the carpet, it'll keep popping up. We have to come to terms with it.

Lewis Howes 15:13 Mm.

Sadhguru 15:14 Everybody has to come to terms with it. Some remorse, some settlement must happen. I think that expression of remorse has not happened, so it keeps pock- popping up. Well, this one policeman's, uh, inhuman act is not the real thing. The real thing is it's there in the air, because whatever has happened in the past, certain number of people have resentment about it. Uh, and another set of people-

Lewis Howes 15:41 [clears throat]

Sadhguru 15:42 ... somewhere, maybe not exactly for me, maybe it may be wrong for me to say this, but somewhere they think that's a natural, natural order of life. That's how it was supposed to be. Somebody had to die, somebody has to be a slave. That is how it is supposed to be. That must go. We must understand historically every one of us have made mistakes. We must bow down to our own mistakes and say, "We're sorry for this. Let's see how to create a new nation, a new world." This much sincerity and humility should come in every human being, otherwise one set of people are resentful, another set of people think they deserve it, then, uh, how will this go?

Lewis Howes 16:23 Yeah. Do you feel... Talking about mistakes of the past, I've made a lot of mistakes in my past personally, in just different, different ways, from my business to relationships to family dynamics. A lot of different things. And I'm constantly trying to learn to be better every day. Do you feel like you've made a lot of mistakes in the past that maybe you regret, or you think to yourself, "Oh, that was pretty, that was pretty stupid of me to do"? Um, or have you always been this enlightened?

Sadhguru 16:48 [laughs] Uh, I don't know. I never looked at, uh, life as a series of mistakes, learning from that. I don't look at life like that. Well, have you done, made some dumb decisions here and there? Of course.

Lewis Howes 17:05 [laughs]

Sadhguru 17:06 But, uh, I wouldn't see them as mistakes, I just see them as part of growing up-

Lewis Howes 17:13 Mm

Sadhguru 17:13 ... and becoming more mature. Because enlightenment is one thing, you see things clearly, but still operating in the world you need wisdom.

Lewis Howes 17:22 Mm.

Sadhguru 17:22 Wisdom, you have to earn it with experience. There is simply no other way for that.

Lewis Howes 17:29 So you must stumble and fall and learn and grow and, and, and just go through life-

Sadhguru 17:33 Not necessarily. I would not say it is necessarily so, because today it has become fashionable with all these management gurus and all saying, "You must learn from your mistakes. You must learn f- mistakes." That means you must keep on doing mistakes.

Lewis Howes 17:47 Ah.

Sadhguru 17:48 I don't believe that you must learn from your mistakes. I would rather live a life where I don't do any mistakes. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 17:54 [laughs]

Sadhguru 17:55 Because life is so brief. You do a bunch of mistakes and then you will learn, and where will you use it? In the grave.

Lewis Howes 18:01 [laughs]

Sadhguru 18:02 Too late. So [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:04 So learn from other people's mistakes.

Sadhguru 18:06 And as we see-

Lewis Howes 18:06 Yeah.

Sadhguru 18:07 Yes, of course. That is what being human means, that we can learn from other people's experience. From history we can learn. We don't have to do all those things once again. And especially you are from the aviation, uh, state, if you are trying aviation or if you're trying skydiving or something, if you don't do things right the first time-

Lewis Howes 18:25 [laughs]

Sadhguru 18:26 ... well, that'll be the last time

Lewis Howes 18:28 [laughs]

Sadhguru 18:29 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:31 People talk about, uh, suffering a lot, and I know you address this in your training, in your course, in a lot of your social media content, and you get interviewed on this a lot. When I went to India to study meditation for my brief time on my beginner mind of meditation, I was told that suffering is the obsessive self-centric thinking that we have about ourselves, the obsessive self-centric thinking. And when we focus on ourselves, then we suffer. I don't know how accurate that is in your, in your mind or your pr- or, uh, in your practice and philosophy, but what, what is suffering and why do we have it so much?

Sadhguru 19:11 See, uh, there are two faculties in a human being which are unique to human beings only. No other creatures have these faculties. This is a very vivid sense of memory and a fantastic sense of imagination.

Lewis Howes 19:28 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 19:30 So what is it that human beings are suffering? Just check out with any suffering human being. They're suffering what happened 10 years ago, five years ago, or they're suffering what may happen day after tomorrow already. So essentially they're suffering their memory and their imagination.

Lewis Howes 19:45 Hmm.

Sadhguru 19:46 Rarely they are in life. They are just suffering these two fantastic faculties which make us human. Our life is rich only because our memory is so vivid. Otherwise, we would also be like an earthworm. Essentially what they're complaining is, they're complaining, "Why did nature evolve us into this fantastic place of being human being? We would have been happy being earthworms," because our only intention is to be eco-friendly right now.

Lewis Howes 20:12 [laughs]

Sadhguru 20:15 [laughs] Earthworms are very eco-friendly. They are very peaceful, but the possibility is only that much. With the possibility, human being is a tremendous possibility. If you do not know how to harness this possib- possibility, every possibility will become a problem. That's all that's happened.

Lewis Howes 20:35 Hmm.

Sadhguru 20:36 If you do not harness your faculties the way you should, then it becomes a problem. How come this has happened to us? Well, uh, your name sounds French, I don't know, and you went to Pondicherry. You French background?

Lewis Howes 20:51 Uh, not that I'm aware of, I don't think so.

Sadhguru 20:53 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 20:53 English and Welsh and Italian.

Sadhguru 20:56 Oh, okay. But your name sounds French.

Lewis Howes 20:59 Lew- Lewis Howes. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Sadhguru 21:01 [laughs] Okay. But you went to Pondicherry, which is a French place.

Lewis Howes 21:05 Yes, I did do that, yes.

Sadhguru 21:06 [laughs] Anyway, uh, uh, now that you said English, anyway, a Englishman called Charles Darwin, you heard of that guy?

Lewis Howes 21:16 Of course.

Sadhguru 21:18 You have no problem with him in Ohio?

Lewis Howes 21:20 No.

Sadhguru 21:20 Because we come from Tenni- we are in Tennessee, that's why I'm telling you. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 21:23 Yeah. [laughs]

Sadhguru 21:27 So Charles Darwin said something like this, I'm simplifying it, oversimplifying it-

Lewis Howes 21:31 Mm-hmm

Sadhguru 21:32 ... but something like this, "A goat could have become a giraffe over a million year time. A pig could have become an elephant over many more ill- million years. But a monkey became a man rather too quickly."

Lewis Howes 21:44 Hmm.

Sadhguru 21:45 So quickly that anthropologists are looking for a missing link, which they have not found. Actual difference, the DNA difference between a chimpanzee and a human being is only 1.23%. 1.23% is not too much of a difference, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 22:03 [laughs]

Sadhguru 22:04 So physiologically, physiologically, that's how close we are to a chimpanzee. But in terms of our intelligence and awareness, we are worlds apart from a chimpanzee. So right now, what human beings are suffering is their own intelligence.

Lewis Howes 22:21 Hmm.

Sadhguru 22:22 You remove half their brain, they will be very peaceful. No meditation will be needed for them. They will simply sit [laughs] peacefully.

Lewis Howes 22:32 And just be, yeah. Exactly.

Sadhguru 22:33 Yes, just be, because that's what the whole American spirituality is just talking about, just be, just be. If you remove half the brain, you'll just be.

Lewis Howes 22:43 Yeah.

Sadhguru 22:43 That's what a whole lot of people are trying to do by soaking their brains in alcohol, maybe they're preserving it for some other place, or drugging themself out. They're just being, all right? That is not the way to explore human possibility. If human possibility has to be explored, all our faculties must be full on, and we must see how to further enhance them, because the profoundness of experience comes to you only with sharpness of perception.

Lewis Howes 23:13 Hmm.

Sadhguru 23:13 You cannot dull your perception and think you're having a profound experience.

Lewis Howes 23:19 So how do we-

Sadhguru 23:19 Right now-

Lewis Howes 23:20 Uh, sorry, go ahead.

Sadhguru 23:21 Please, please tell me.

Lewis Howes 23:23 Uh, you know,

Lewis Howes 23:23 so how do we maximize or expand our perception?

Sadhguru 23:30 See, it's like this. Because as human beings, we knew that only e- enhancement of our perception, our life will become better. We wanted to see what is up there.

Lewis Howes 23:41 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 23:41 Our eyes could not see, so we made a telescope. We want to see the virus, so we made a microscope.

Lewis Howes 23:48 [laughs]

Sadhguru 23:49 We want to hear what is happening somewhere else, so we made a telephone, we then made a microphone. See you and me talking, literally 12 hours across the planet, all right? Why all these technologies we made? We want to enhance our perception, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 24:06 Yeah.

Sadhguru 24:07 So right now, [laughs] this is a bunch of youth, you know, all, all these youth events below 25 events I get invited because they think I'm 25.

Lewis Howes 24:16 [laughs] You have, you have the mi- you have the curiosity of a child, that's why they bring you.

Sadhguru 24:22 So they were asking me, "Sadhguru, uh, you have so much influence in the government. Why can't you make marijuana legal for us?" So this is over, uh, 10, 15,000 people in Bangalore City, and it's a open air thing. I can smell the smoke.

Lewis Howes 24:39 [laughs]

Sadhguru 24:41 [laughs] They all gather and they're saying, "Why don't you make it legal for us?" I said, "Why this marijuana? We will make cocaine also legal, meth also legal. Whatever else you name it, I will make all that legal for you. But why do you want it, wanted this to be legal? Because you want to smoke dope and go to the university, isn't it?" "Yes," they said, "why not? We are fine with that." I said, "See, we'll do one thing. I'll get you a small plane, and the pilot comes really smoked up. Do you want to fly with him?" "Uh," like this.

Lewis Howes 25:18 [laughs]

Sadhguru 25:19 Then I said, "You're not getting it. You need a major surgery."

Lewis Howes 25:22 Mm.

Sadhguru 25:22 "The surgeon comes really smoked up. You want the surgery?" They said, "No." So you understand, by smoking these things or drinking these things, whatever, your faculties go down. Lowered faculties will mean less efficiency of life, not only in terms of work, in terms of experience also. It means less life. So you want to be high, but you are going low, and you're thinking you're high. If you want to be high, you come to me, I will show you how to tune up all your faculties to such a level that you will be bright and alert all the time, joyful, blissful-

Lewis Howes 26:04 Mm-hmm

Sadhguru 26:04 ... ecstatic. Look at my eyes, I am always stoned, without any substance. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 26:09 Right.

Sadhguru 26:10 Because this is the most complex and sophisticated chemical factory on the planet. The question is only are you a great CEO or a lousy CEO?

Lewis Howes 26:22 Mm.

Sadhguru 26:22 That's all determines the nature of your experience. So I don't want to give a philosophical explanation to human suffering. Human suffering is essentially that they have an intelligence for which they don't have a stable enough platform, so they don't know how to handle their own intelligence. You can call it tension, stress, anxiety, misery, whatever. Essentially, your intelligence has turned against you. That is all it is.

Lewis Howes 26:47 Mm.

Lewis Howes 26:50 So much to unpack here. So when we have emotions, thoughts or feelings, emotions of anger, resentment from something that happened in the past, upset that we see on social media, frustrations in the world, where should we be redirecting these thoughts, feelings and emotions? Should we be feeling them and allowing ourselves to go with anger until it stops? Should we be guarding our thoughts with, with the reverse of that? Where... What's your, uh, ideas on thoughts and, uh, feeling and emotions?

Sadhguru 27:30 You must punch a window pane or a wall better. A stone wall is good.

Lewis Howes 27:34 [laughs] You'll feel it more. Yeah, exactly.

Sadhguru 27:37 [laughs] Because, uh, that is the model that the Hollywood and the television shows-

Lewis Howes 27:43 Mm

Sadhguru 27:43 ... everything is setting up. When you get angry, you break something, all right? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 27:48 Exactly.

Sadhguru 27:49 So, see, first of all, people are assuming that anger is happening to them-

Lewis Howes 27:57 Mm

Sadhguru 27:57 ... or misery is happening to them. No, this is exactly what I said earlier. Maybe I didn't articulate it fully. No, you are creating anger. You are creating misery. You are creating joy. You are creating whatever. All this is happening from within you. Is it true all human experiences happening from within us?

Lewis Howes 28:16 Uh, it's, it's... Yeah, 'cause we perceive something and then we-

Sadhguru 28:20 No, no

Lewis Howes 28:21 ... and-

Sadhguru 28:21 Something else, something else may stimulate, but human experience is happening from within us, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 28:27 Right.

Sadhguru 28:27 Whether it's love or hate or anger or misery or joy or anything, is only happening from within us.

Lewis Howes 28:33 Right.

Sadhguru 28:33 Now, simple question I am asking is what happens from within you should you ha- ... Should it happen your way or somebody else's way?

Lewis Howes 28:43 It should happen your way.

Sadhguru 28:45 Of course. Because the world will never happen your way 100%, because there are so many stakeholders in the world. Little bit will happen my way, little bit your way, that is fine. But what happens within me must happen my way. If what happens within me does not happen my way, this is the worst form of slavery, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 29:06 Wow.

Sadhguru 29:07 Somebody decides what happens within me. Somebody decides where I should sit. This is slavery. Everybody understands this.

Lewis Howes 29:15 Mm.

Sadhguru 29:15 Now somebody decides whether I am happy or unhappy. Isn't this the worst form of slavery?

Lewis Howes 29:20 Yeah.

Sadhguru 29:22 So this is the liberation that humanity needs to work at. This is what Inner Engineering means. Inner Engineering is not some, uh, mechanical process, because engineering means this essentially. You will say something is well engineered only if it works the way you want, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 29:40 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 29:42 If this one doesn't work the way you want, what the hell are you expecting other things to work the way you want? It's just an accident. When you live accidentally, anxiety is normal.

Lewis Howes 29:53 Yeah, it's, it's every day.

Sadhguru 29:55 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 29:56 But, but when you're living on purpose and intentionally and mindfully, you should be able to shift out of that.

Sadhguru 30:01 No, no, no, no, I wouldn't use those words.

Lewis Howes 30:03 Okay.

Sadhguru 30:03 I, I-

Lewis Howes 30:03 What words would you use?

Sadhguru 30:04 [laughs] Well, when you say purpose, intention, mindful. See, this is the whole problem with people. Their mind is full all the time.

Lewis Howes 30:14 Right.

Sadhguru 30:15 My mind is just empty all the time. Nothing happening. Nothing. That's why I wear a turban just to make it substantial.

Lewis Howes 30:23 [laughs]

Sadhguru 30:25 [laughs] There's nothing in my head. If I'm walking there, I'm just walking. Nothing happens. Because, see right now, your hands are there. Suppose w- your one hand starts jumping like this.

Lewis Howes 30:40 Uh-huh.

Sadhguru 30:41 What if, let's say, my hand starts jumping like this. What will you think? You think Sadhguru has some kind of a ailment, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 30:47 [laughs] No, I just figured-

Sadhguru 30:48 Don't know

Lewis Howes 30:48 ... that's the, that's the way intelligent people do things, you know?

Sadhguru 30:51 [laughs] No, no. Suppose my hand starts jumping like that.

Lewis Howes 30:56 [laughs]

Sadhguru 30:57 You will think there is some ailment, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 31:00 Anxious.

Sadhguru 31:00 You will think I'm-

Lewis Howes 31:01 Yeah

Sadhguru 31:01 ... maybe Mr. Parkinson's is visiting me or something like that.

Lewis Howes 31:05 Sure.

Sadhguru 31:05 [laughs] So your mind is jumping all the, all over the place. Why is that not ailment, I'm asking? Your only comfort is other people cannot see it, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 31:16 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess they see it through the manifestation of you being anxious or tense or stressed or angry or-

Sadhguru 31:23 No, whether they see it or not, they see it or not, if any part of you is simply jumping without purpose, is that an ailment, I'm asking.

Lewis Howes 31:34 If any part of you is jumping without purpose, is it an ailment? Um, well, I think in your Inner Engineering course, you talk about how we have certain faculties that we can't control, like going to the bathroom and doing certain things that are part of our body, so.

Sadhguru 31:50 Yeah, but, uh-

Lewis Howes 31:51 I don't know if that's a trick question or not, but-

Sadhguru 31:52 The... No, no, the pee, the pee is just filling up in the bladder. It's not jumping all over the place.

Lewis Howes 31:57 Gotcha, gotcha.

Sadhguru 31:59 If it jumps all over the place, that is an ailment.

Lewis Howes 32:01 That's an ailment, yes. Correct.

Sadhguru 32:02 [laughs] Right now, suppose... Let me take a worse example.

Lewis Howes 32:07 Yes.

Sadhguru 32:07 Suppose your hand starts beating you in the face.

Lewis Howes 32:10 [laughs] That's an ailment, yes.

Sadhguru 32:12 For sure. So right now, your thoughts and emotions are beating you up from inside. Why is that not an ailment, I'm saying?

Lewis Howes 32:19 No, it is.

Sadhguru 32:22 So let us not think anger happens to us, resentment happens to us. No. These things we are creating. We have the power to emote. We can make it love, we can make it joy, we can make it ecstasy, but people have chosen to make it tension, anger, resentment, hatred. They have turned it that way. Now they will claim this is because life has been unfair to me. Life has not been fair to anybody. [laughs] Especially not me. [laughs] Life is not fair to anybody. Life is simply rolling. It's for you to learn to ride it. Sometimes we're in uncomfortable situations. Somef- sometimes we're in comfortable situations. Sometimes we're in situations where we know exactly what to do. In sometimes we're in situations where we don't know what to do. Sometimes somebody else is controlling the situation. Sometimes you're controlling the situation. This is how life is. If you are constantly stepping into unfamiliar situations in your life, that means you are growing at a rapid pace. If you are in constantly in comfortable situations, that means you're a stagnant life.

Lewis Howes 33:31 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 33:34 So if you, if you look for comfort, if you look for a comfort zone, because the moment your thoughts and emotions are going to torment you with external stimulant, external stimulation that happens, what will you choose? You will choose a comfort zone. This means you will limit your life. So the moment somebody can cause you pain or suffering, this means unknowingly you will make the very scope of your life very limited.

Lewis Howes 34:01 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 34:01 Only when a person loses this fear of suffering, that no matter what happens, this is how I will be. If this assurance comes to you, then you walk full stride, because whatever happens in the life around you, it will not really make you suffer. Once you are free from suffering, only when you're free from suffering, when you're free from the fear of suffering, that is when you will explore your life in full depth and dimension.

Lewis Howes 34:30 How do we rid ourselves of the fear of suffering, then?

Sadhguru 34:36 See, as I told you, the suffering is happening because your faculties are not held in your hands. If I have to go to this in little detail, I'll have to take a few minutes. See, for example, if I ask you a simple question, do you want your intellect to be sharp or blunt? What is your choice?

Lewis Howes 34:56 Sharp.

Sadhguru 34:57 Sharp, of course. So you understand. Your intellect is the b- better... The sharper it is, the better it is. It's like a knife. So if it's like a knife, it's a cutting instrument. So if you give anything to your intellect, it will dissect everything and see. This is the nature of our intellect. You don't have to physically dissect, but it dissects everything and sees what is this, what is that. This is the nature of the intellect. Without dissection, it doesn't know because it is a knife. It's like a scalpel. It must be sharp. A knife that is not sharp is no good knife, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 35:32 Right.

Sadhguru 35:33 So-

Lewis Howes 35:33 It's good for, good for butter.

Sadhguru 35:35 Yeah. [laughs] That also depends.

Lewis Howes 35:38 [laughs]

Sadhguru 35:38 If it just comes out of the refrigerator, even that it won't cut.

Lewis Howes 35:41 [laughs]

Sadhguru 35:43 So if, uh, if you're using a knife to do everything, to do everything. Let's say you eat with a knife, you brush with your knife, and you do everything with your knife, of course you will be bleeding.

Lewis Howes 35:59 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 36:00 That's all that's happening. Only one dimension of intelligence within us. In yogic way of looking at things, we look at mind as 16 parts.

Lewis Howes 36:10 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 36:11 This intellect is just one part. Because our education systems are such which are totally intellect-oriented, human beings largely are using only one dimension of their intellect to do everything.

Lewis Howes 36:23 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 36:23 You use a knife to stitch your clothes. What will you wear? Only tatters. See, that's what you're seeing in Los Angeles right now. Half the people are wearing tattered clothes. Maybe they used a knife to stitch their jeans.

Lewis Howes 36:34 Mm-hmm. [laughs] Exactly. With holes in them, yes.

Sadhguru 36:40 So if you use a knife to stitch, that's what will happen, all tatters. Right now human life is in tatters mainly because of this. Instead of using a needle, you're using a knife. So intellect is a very good instrument of survival. If you want to survive on this planet, you need a sharp intellect. The sharper it is, the better you will survive. But that will not make life, that will not put everything together.

Lewis Howes 37:07 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 37:07 Right now, because through intellectual process people are trying to handle everything, with so much care they're trying to do everything right, right, right, right, and a blunder. The result is a blunder. Everything right, but the end result is a big blunder, because you're using a knife to do everything.

Lewis Howes 37:26 Mm.

Lewis Howes 37:29 When... Okay, here's a... here's a question for you. When you, when was the last time that you felt anger or resentment and actually expressed it?

Sadhguru 37:39 I w- I was just thinking of getting angry with you just now. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 37:42 [laughs] Perfect. Bring it. I love that.

Sadhguru 37:48 See, [laughs] the thing is, Lewis, I, uh, I did not give this privilege to anybody that somebody can make me happy, somebody can make me unhappy, somebody can make me ha- angry, somebody can make me miserable. I have not given that privilege to anybody.

Lewis Howes 38:09 Mm.

Sadhguru 38:09 It's not that I'm incapable of all these things. If I want, I can be all those things.

Lewis Howes 38:13 Right.

Sadhguru 38:14 But I have not give, given this privilege to anybody. They can't do something to me and make me angry, no. I have not given that privilege to anyone.

Lewis Howes 38:24 Did you ha- did you have that experience or give that privilege to someone when you were younger? Did you learn that at a certain point where you transitioned?

Sadhguru 38:31 Till, till I was 23, 24 years of age, from the age of probably 11, 12, I was always 24 hours angry.

Lewis Howes 38:40 Really?

Sadhguru 38:40 [laughs] Most yes, [laughs] because I was, I was on this binge of what is justice and injustice.

Lewis Howes 38:48 Huh.

Sadhguru 38:49 So once you start looking what is justice and injustice, just about everything in the world looks unjust.

Lewis Howes 38:56 Everything makes you angry.

Sadhguru 38:57 Small, small thing.

Lewis Howes 38:58 Yeah.

Sadhguru 38:58 Yeah. Everything, anything unjust means it makes me angry, and everywhere I see, whether at home, in school, on the street, in the society, in the country, in the world, wherever I see, I think, "This is unjust. This is unjust. This is unjust." So much injustice. Always angry. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:17 Right. I mean, I feel like there's a lot... there's a lot of people in th- in America and in the world who a lot of things make them angry, and there's a lot of unjustice for people. So when, when did you shift, and how did you come to that realization that this no longer works for you in your life?

Sadhguru 39:35 See, it doesn't work for anybody.

Lewis Howes 39:36 [laughs] That's true.

Sadhguru 39:38 Not just for me. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:40 But for you personally, when did you realize? [laughs]

Sadhguru 39:43 See, the reason why people think anger is some kind of a virtue, because they say righteous anger, all right?

Lewis Howes 39:51 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 39:51 Right now America is seething with anger, and they think it's righteous anger. This is simply because it takes some horrible thing to s- stimulate them into action. There's not enough love in your heart-

Lewis Howes 40:05 Mm

Sadhguru 40:05 ... to stimulate yourself into action. Something has to poke you, you must get angry, and then it propels you into action. So that kind of action sometimes will produce results, of course. But if you want genuine results which will be good for everybody, we must do it when everything is right. But when everything is little comfortable, nobody does anything. When something horrible happens, then we will get angry and propel ourself to into action. Right now, this propelling yourself into action with anger, how long will you keep it up?

Lewis Howes 40:43 Not, I mean-

Sadhguru 40:44 You cannot keep it up forever

Lewis Howes 40:44 ... can't keep it up long, yeah. You get tired.

Sadhguru 40:46 Yes. If you keep it up forever, you, you will destroy yourself and you'll destroy everything around yourself. So anger is become valuable because most people are so lethargic in their responses. Once in a way when they get angry, they feel empowered and seem to be doing right things once in a way. You must be doing those right things all your life.

Lewis Howes 41:12 Mm.

Sadhguru 41:12 Then by the end of your life, everything might not have changed, but you would've made a difference. That's the way the world works.

Lewis Howes 41:20 Mm. So how... I, man. [laughs] So if people are lethargic and comfortable a lot of the times, and they're unwilling to choose love and act with love to make a change, how do we get people to wake up when things are calmer so that they can act with love and get the change and the results they want?

Sadhguru 41:47 See, today, uh, this whole movement, what, uh, you're seeing as Inner Engineering, is a movement from religion to responsibility in a way.

Lewis Howes 41:56 Mm. Mm.

Sadhguru 41:58 Essentially what I mean is religion means people are thinking responsibility is somewhere up there. Where is that up? Nobody knows. All right? You just have to believe where is that up. But now you are sitting in California, I'm s- here in Tamil Nadu. If I look up, I'm looking at, looking up in one direction. If you look up, you are looking up in another direction. So my up is different, your up is different, and by tomorrow morning again my up will be yours, your up will be mine.

Lewis Howes 42:29 [laughs]

Sadhguru 42:30 It'll be big confusion. The damn planet is spinning and it's round. Which way is up? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 42:36 Yeah.

Sadhguru 42:36 Does anybody know which way is up in this universe?

Lewis Howes 42:40 It's not-

Sadhguru 42:41 Is it marked somewhere in the cosmos-

Lewis Howes 42:42 [laughs]

Sadhguru 42:42 ... this side up? There is no such thing. So responsibility is up there. No, no, no, it must come here. We must understand if we want to live in a wonderful world, it's only us and us and us who can make this happen. No other force from anywhere is going to make this happen. Unless we realize and transform ourselves from religion to responsibility, that it's here. What this whole thing has come up is... See, because we have no explanation for creation. Before you and me came, so much creation has happened. Who did it? A simplistic, childish understanding of this is a big man must have done it, so he's somewhere up there. Because you can't see him here, he must be up there. Now, of course, women are claiming why not it be a woman. In India, we sorted these problems out. There are... We have man gods, we have woman gods, we have snake god, we have cow god, we have elephant god. We have every kind, crawling ones, creeping ones, flying ones, because we foresaw all the future problems that may happen. [laughs] You don't know who will claim what tomorrow, so we said everything is God. So what I'm saying is our idea of God has essentially come because we have no explanation for creation. How did all this happen? Such a complex-

Lewis Howes 44:05 Mm-hmm

Sadhguru 44:05 ... fantastic stuff. Who did it? Because we are human, we think it must be a big human being. Suppose you and me were buffalos having conversation right now.

Lewis Howes 44:15 [laughs]

Sadhguru 44:16 We would definitely think God is a huge buffalo, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 44:19 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 44:21 Nobody could argue with us about that. We would definitely say he's a huge buffalo, because that would be our imagination. Right now, this is our imagination. It's fine. If you're using it to settle a few things, if you are using it as a way of a psychological process, fine. But solace is one thing. Solutions for life is a different thing.

Lewis Howes 44:42 Mm.

Sadhguru 44:42 So one first thing that we must decide is those who are in extreme states of poverty, war, other kinds of misery imposed upon them, only for them you must give solace. Rest of us who have eaten our breakfast today morning or dinner, we should talk about solution, not solace. Solace is just a psychological process to settle something within you. But why people who have eaten well, people who are healthy, people who have a life to live, why are their psychological problem? They should not have any psychological problem, that's all I'm saying.

Lewis Howes 45:19 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 45:19 I know this will be very cruel for a lot of people, but they better get it because life is brief. If they don't get it now and they think being psychologically disturbed is normal, they will spend their life like this. It is not normal. To be healthy is normal. To be balanced is normal. To be joyful is normal. Look at yourself when you were five years of age. Were you m- miserable or joyful and somebody had to make you take the joy out of you by poking you with something? Otherwise, joy wouldn't go. You would be bouncing all over the place, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 45:51 Right.

Sadhguru 45:51 Today somebody has to make you happy. Somebody has to work hard to make you happy. S- At that time, somebody had to work hard to make you miserable. Today somebody [laughs] has to make you, work hard to make you happy. The whole equation has gotten reversed. What is it? What is it that happened to you? You just grew up. If you grew up, life should become better when you grow up, isn't it? All other life, you see a little plant, when it grows up into a tree, does it become better or worse?

Lewis Howes 46:21 Becomes better. [laughs]

Sadhguru 46:22 It becomes be- Everything becomes better. Only human beings are s- saying, "Oh, childhood was so fantastic. My adulthood is misery." Why? This must be the best time. Your old age must be the most fantastic time. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 46:39 But I'm hearing... What I'm hearing you say is we've allowed our, our inner engineering to not... to be broken, and we allow it to stay broken with our thoughts and our emotions and our feelings, and we don't take care of it.

Sadhguru 46:51 See, we, w- as a society, as a culture, as a generation of people, we have not given enough significance to the life that we are. Our whole business, you ask any child today, he knows where that Galaxy Z163 is, all right? Because he's seen it on the phone screen. But he doesn't know a damn thing about himself.

Lewis Howes 47:15 Mm.

Sadhguru 47:16 You do not know the fundamental mechanics of how you function. For example, let me put this in a very simple way. Right now I will give you a simple exercise. Next 10 seconds, you should not think about a monkey.

Lewis Howes 47:30 [laughs]

Sadhguru 47:31 Do not think about a monkey. Do not think about a monkey. That's what I'm saying. Only monkeys, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 47:40 [laughs]

Sadhguru 47:42 [laughs] So to this mind, this is the nature of your mind, if you say do not something, only that will happen. That's the nature of your mind.

Lewis Howes 47:50 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 47:51 To this mind, somebody told you what is good, what is bad. Do not think about bad things. Well, that's a full-time job. I'm saying you have not understood the simple, most fundamental mechanics of human mind. This doesn't need any enlightenment. If anybody sits with two minutes eyes closed, they will realize that in this mind there is no subtraction and division. There's only addition and multiplication.

Lewis Howes 48:19 Mm.

Sadhguru 48:20 Whatever you try to do, only more will happen. There are no brakes on it. All three pedals are throttle.

Lewis Howes 48:29 Mm. I wish we could go for another six hours, but I want to be respectful of your time.

Sadhguru 48:34 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 48:34 And I have many, many questions that, uh, I know I'll always want to ask and, uh, continue to learn and improve in my life, and I know my audience will, uh, want to ask as well. Um, but I wanna, I wanna be respectful of time and, and finish with a few questions. Um-

Lewis Howes 48:54 This is called the three truths. I ask this question to every guest that I have on at the end. It's a hypothetical question. So ba-

Sadhguru 49:01 I didn't hear that. Three what?

Lewis Howes 49:02 The three truths.

Sadhguru 49:04 Oh, three truths.

Lewis Howes 49:05 A tr- a truth. It's a hypothetical question. Um-

Sadhguru 49:08 But there's only one, huh?

Lewis Howes 49:10 Well, okay, perfect. The... Well, here's the question, [laughs] and you can share with yours w- if it's one or three. Um, imagine you have, uh, lived your life fully and, and you've gone off to do everything you wanna do. Uh, you've lived many more years, but eventually you must go. Your body must go. And for whatever reason, Sadhguru, you have to take all of your teachings, your books, your videos, this interview with you when you pass, for whatever reason. Hypothetical. And you get to, before you go, write down three things you know to be true about all of your life experience, about lessons, about what you'd wanna share with the world that we would all have access to, and this is all we would have access to from your wisdom. What would you say are those three things for you? And maybe it's only one thing, but what would you say are your three truths you would share?

Sadhguru 50:02 [laughs] Well, I'm anyway planning to do that, what you said, take all the books and videos and everything. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 50:09 [laughs]

Sadhguru 50:10 Because all, all the idiots around me, if they don't get the point when I'm alive, they're not going to get it after I'm gone.

Lewis Howes 50:18 Ah, there you go.

Sadhguru 50:19 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 50:21 [laughs]

Sadhguru 50:23 So, uh, books and videos are only inspirational. That will never convey truth.

Lewis Howes 50:29 Hmm.

Sadhguru 50:29 It will only inspire them to seek. So that seeking, I, I clearly know that I have instilled in millions of people. That seeking will live on. It, uh, it doesn't take, uh, books and videos and stuff.

Lewis Howes 50:44 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 50:45 It'll anyway live on because the seeking is not about me. The seeking is the fundamental nature of every human being. The fundamental intelligence within the human being essentially seeks. So the seeking is destroyed by making them believe something all the time along the way. This is right. That is wrong. That is God. This is devil. Like this, beliefs and beliefs and beliefs, and you block the seeking. So my whole work has been to unblock those blocks so that people become seekers.

Lewis Howes 51:14 Hmm.

Sadhguru 51:14 So if they have become seekers, they will anyway continue to seek. If they haven't, well, all the best for them. What can I do? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:22 [laughs] Okay. So i- is that, is that one truth, then, become a seeker?

Sadhguru 51:28 No, no. We can explore all the other floors.

Lewis Howes 51:30 Okay. Okay.

Sadhguru 51:30 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:33 Perfect. Perfect.

Sadhguru 51:35 Different doors to the same building.

Lewis Howes 51:37 Different doors to the same building.

Sadhguru 51:38 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:40 Got it. Um, I want to, uh,

Lewis Howes 51:45 I wanna encourage everyone to get Inner Engineering because as I'm going through right now, I'm really enjoying the philosophy that you're sharing with everyone. Uh, where can we go to get access to this and, and follow you on social media? I've got a couple questions left for you, but I wanna make sure everyone goes and gets access to this because it's a way for them to continue to seek.

Sadhguru 52:04 One thing is right now, if you are, if you are a frontline worker working for the COVID virus, then it's offered free to everybody. Otherwise, it's offered at half price because of the virus situation, so millions of people are making use of it. Uh, they should go to innerengineering.com, is it? Hmm?

Lewis Howes 52:23 Innerengineering.com.

Sadhguru 52:25 Innerengineering.com.

Lewis Howes 52:26 Yeah.

Sadhguru 52:27 In the United States, that's where it is. So it's available there. And, uh, they should go through it as quickly as possible. They shouldn't spread it. Let's say seven days. Within 15 days if they go through it, it's most impactful.

Lewis Howes 52:39 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 52:40 Now, in the next few days, we are adding an extra bonus, extra day, eight days, e- eighth, uh, session, which will come on day four or something, where we're teaching some practices mainly to enhance the immunity of the system-

Lewis Howes 52:53 Hmm

Sadhguru 52:54 ... considering these times. Right now, we can't be locked down forever. The only way for us to get back, s- we don't know a damn thing about this virus. I have been looking at every scientific, uh, studies. Every day, 128 new papers are being released, scientific papers.

Lewis Howes 53:11 Wow.

Sadhguru 53:11 That means we don't know anything. Every day, little, little, little they're learning. So if you look at it, we don't have a clear statement, this is the nature of this virus, this is what it can do. Nobody has said that. So the only instrument that we have is a strong immune system if you have. You know you can pass through this. So as a part of this, we're in- introducing one more extra session, which must go in within the next few days, that there will be a series of practices that one can learn in one session which will enhance the immune system. Here, we have talked to millions of people in rural India, which is making a huge difference.

Lewis Howes 53:47 Yeah, that's powerful. Yeah, I encourage everyone to go get that, and we'll have it linked up on the show notes and everything as well. Um, what are three things that you think, three habits that you apply in your life that you think are simple habits everyone should be applying for increased happiness and immunity in general?

Sadhguru 54:07 Oh, these are two things, happiness and immune. Some people are immune to happiness.

Lewis Howes 54:11 [laughs]

Sadhguru 54:14 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 54:15 I feel like if you have more happiness, your immune system would be increased as well, so.

Sadhguru 54:19 Oh, definitely. If one is exuberant, all systems, including the immune system, will function better.

Lewis Howes 54:27 Hmm.

Sadhguru 54:27 Because we should not understand happiness and joy as just a certain type of emotion. Essentially, when your life energies are exuberant, uh, it will naturally bubble out. You don't have to try to be happy. You don't have to be try to be joyful. This will naturally happen. When your energies are exuberant and effervescent, naturally your immune system will work well. So those two things are different. But, uh, to... considering the times, I think I should say a few words on the immune system. There are a few simple things that you can do. In India, we have so many herbs and other things-

Lewis Howes 55:03 Mm-hmm

Sadhguru 55:03 ... in a tropical land that, uh, we are using very effectively. I must tell you this, where we are right now, we are near in the western part of Tamil Nadu. Where you went is the eastern part near the coast.

Lewis Howes 55:16 Mm.

Sadhguru 55:16 This is the western part of Tamil Nadu. In this region, our volunteers have been active, giving a few s- you know, a, a few herbal drinks all around for the police, for the medical, uh, personnel, and all the whole population, a few million people, and we are also distributing this in various places. Wherever this has been done, in this region of Tamil Nadu, there's not been a single case till now.

Lewis Howes 55:39 Mm.

Sadhguru 55:40 Though it's rampant in Chennai.

Lewis Howes 55:42 [laughs]

Sadhguru 55:43 There's not a single case here. I cannot claim it's only because of this drink, but this drink has made a huge difference. This drink has nothing to do with the COVID virus, but it has something to do with enhancing your immu- immune system.

Lewis Howes 55:57 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 55:57 Your system functions better. One simple thing that, uh, in United States people can do, if you have a garden, just spend at least one hour barefoot in the garden. Put your hands into the earth, do something. Just connect it to the earth in some way. Believe me, your immu- immune system will work very, very well. Lovingly, if you handle soil, you must call it Mother Soil-

Lewis Howes 56:22 Mm

Sadhguru 56:22 ... not dirt, okay?

Lewis Howes 56:24 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 56:25 And you handle it, you will see your immune system will go up. This is something we have completely disregarded.

Lewis Howes 56:30 Huh.

Sadhguru 56:31 All the time on, uh, whatever, if you are a woman, you are on three, a three- or six-inch heel. If you're a man, you're on a proper boot. Never connected to the earth. It's important that you connect to the earth-

Lewis Howes 56:43 Mm

Sadhguru 56:43 ... because what you think is your body is just an extension of this earth. You're just a pop-up on this planet. One day you will pop back into the planet.

Lewis Howes 56:52 Mm.

Sadhguru 56:52 All right? So, uh, this is very important. This is simple thing you can do. If you don't have a garden, volunteer to work in your neighbor's garden. He will also be happy.

Lewis Howes 57:01 [laughs]

Sadhguru 57:01 You will also be healthy. [laughs] That's one thing. And today, I think certain things are available in United States. One simple thing is turmeric.

Lewis Howes 57:12 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 57:12 If, if you mix little bit of turmeric in warm water along with honey and drink it f- three to five times a day-

Lewis Howes 57:21 Wow

Sadhguru 57:21 ... your immune system will work wonderfully well.

Lewis Howes 57:25 Okay.

Sadhguru 57:26 These are simple things that you can do, and there are also certain other things may not be available. It should be available in California. You have these gooseberries, raw mangoes. These are all wonderful things for your immune system. This is naturally when people are going into certain states, particularly when women get pregnant, they have an urge to eat certain things. All these things have been identified as things which are extremely good for your immune system because it's a natural urge, instinctive urge in the system to strengthen the immune system when a woman gets pregnant.

Lewis Howes 57:59 Mm-hmm.

Sadhguru 57:59 This is a natural process which is happening in the... It is a intelligence invested in our bodies which may not necessarily get articulated in our minds.

Lewis Howes 58:08 Yeah. Beautiful. Um-

Sadhguru 58:12 And there is a simple practice which we can give to you. You can put it on your cast, podcast.

Lewis Howes 58:17 Yes, please.

Sadhguru 58:17 It's called Simha Kriya. Simha Kriya, it just takes 12 minutes to do it. This will immediately enhance the immune system. I would say within, within two weeks of practice, there'll be a significant, uh, improvement in the immune system.

Lewis Howes 58:31 Wow.

Sadhguru 58:31 Now everybody's stepping out from the lockdown. Either you want to go to work or you want to protest. Do whatever you want to do. Your immune system should be good. It's very important.

Lewis Howes 58:41 Wow. Yeah, we'd love to share that. Uh, we'll connect with your team after. And by the way, do you have a podcast, Sadhguru?

Sadhguru 58:48 Oh, no, really, I'm all over the place.

Lewis Howes 58:50 Oh.

Sadhguru 58:50 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 58:52 The world needs to hear your voice on, on audio as well. I know you have a big YouTube following and social media, but, uh, I'm happy to connect with your team later to... You already have the content. It would transform a lot of people's lives if you, if you choose to do that in the future, so I'm happy to support it.

Sadhguru 59:08 I, I'll ask, uh, our US team to get in touch with you.

Lewis Howes 59:11 Yes, perfect.

Sadhguru 59:11 Please support it and let's see how to do that.

Lewis Howes 59:12 Yes, of course. Um, my final, uh, before I ask my final question, Sadhguru, uh, I wanted to acknowledge you for the incredible gift you are to the world, for the incredible-

Sadhguru 59:24 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 59:25 ... example you set every day for the people around you. Again, I think y- you explaining that our life should get better the older we get, not have more problems and more challenges and more disease. It should improve. It should flourish. We should have fruit hanging from our limbs, essentially. I love the example you set of demonstrating love, peace, childlike joy, uh, every single day because that example is, uh, rippling into, in so many lives. And so I just really acknowledge you for the gift that you are and, and all you do to serve humanity in a big way. And

Lewis Howes 59:59 my, my final question for you i- is what I ask everyone at the end as well, is what is your definition of greatness?

Sadhguru 1:00:12 See, uh, we used to print a brochure for Inner Engineering programs. We would say, "Inner Engineering, From Ordinary to Extraordinary."

Lewis Howes 1:00:23 Mm.

Sadhguru 1:00:24 So, uh, these are physical programs at that time when I'm doing this. After one or two days, they would come and ask, "Sadhguru, you said something special will happen. What is it?" I said, "I never said anything special." "The brochure says ordinary to extraordinary." I said, "Yes, that's what I mean. You will become extraordinary. More ordinary than ordinary people." When you become very ordinary, you just become life. When you're just not one mess in your mind trying to be special, you're just ordinary life, because ordinary life is fantastic, because there's no greater phenomena than the so-called ordinary life. Everybody's trying to be something other than life. Who are those people that you consider as great people? Only those people who broke the boundaries of limitations of their persona, isn't it? Those who operated within their personal context, you don't call them great. It is only those people who operated beyond that. That means they were not trying to direct their love in some direction. They were not trying to become great, first of all. They just allowed their love to direct them. You should never direct your sense of inclusiveness that you have. You'll allow your inclusiveness to direct your actions. Is it right, wrong? Is it successful? There are a whole lot of, uh, self-appointed, uh, you know, uh, advisors around me who keep saying, "Sadhguru, for what you have, you could make billions of dollars. You could do this. You could do that. What are you doing?" Said, "What do I do with billion dollars, huh? I want 7.6 billion people. What do I do with billion, billion dollars? I don't know what to do with it. What will I do with it?" Anyway, wherever I go, people feed me. Wherever I go, people make sure I stay in good places. Wherever I go, I travel well. So why do I need money? I don't need money because the problem with humanity is, as I said earlier, they have taken their own physical and psychological form too seriously. They have a shape to their body. They have a shape to their mental structure. This is what transformation means. When I said Inner Engineering tools for transformation, transform means you destroy the existing form and become a larger form, and then you destroy that and become a larger form. Continuous transformation means moving from form to no form kind of state. Anybody who showed or exhibited those aspects in their life, at some point, they broke their form and did something beyond that. Those are the people that you're recognizing as great, isn't it?

Lewis Howes 1:03:15 Mm.

Sadhguru 1:03:15 I have no intention of being great. I'm just fooling around. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:03:20 [laughs] I love that. Well, uh, hopefully next time you're in Los Angeles, we'll be able to have some food, and I'll, I'll, I'll pay for your meal for you, and hopefully when I come to India, we can connect and-

Sadhguru 1:03:30 You, you have to pay my, for my food because every day somebody pays for my food.

Lewis Howes 1:03:35 I got you.

Sadhguru 1:03:35 I don't [laughs] I don't earn anything, so. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:03:38 I got you. And, uh, hopefully and maybe we'll meet up in Dayton some, someday if you go back to the museum.

Sadhguru 1:03:44 Why not? Dayton will be good. It's been years since I went there. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:03:47 I, I love that. Sadhguru, thank you so much for your time and for your wisdom, man.

Sadhguru 1:03:51 Thank you, Lewis.

Lewis Howes 1:03:51 And, uh, I look forward to supporting-

Sadhguru 1:03:52 I hope it's been useful for you.

Lewis Howes 1:03:53 Of course.

Sadhguru 1:03:54 I... Thank you very much.

Lewis Howes 1:03:56 Thank you, sir.

Sadhguru 1:03:56 We'll catch up somewhere in US. I don't know when I'll make it. I was just thinking I'll take a boat to United States because airplanes are so unsafe right now. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:04:03 Come on, come on over. Yeah. We'd love to, love to connect, love to have you come back on in the future as well and keep sharing your message and promoting your programs, so what you're doing is, uh, is inspiring, so thank you.

Sadhguru 1:04:14 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 1:04:15 I appreciate it, sir. Have a good one.

Sadhguru 1:04:16 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:04:17 Thank you so much for watching this video, and if you're looking for more greatness in your life, then check out this next video right here.

Sadhguru 1:04:24 And he is okay. No force. Whenever you f- Okay, and now fully in. And hold. And squeeze a little to the head 'cause it's nice. That's oxygen in the brain.