EXIT THE MATRIX: The Secret To Living MINDFULLY | Carrie-Anne Moss & Lewis Howes

Lewis Howes 0:00 [upbeat music]

Lewis Howes 0:04 Welcome, everyone, to the School of Greatness podcast. We've got Carrie-Anne Moss in the house. Good to see you.

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:09 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 0:10 We're very excited for this. We got connected through Eric Handler, who's a mutual friend of ours-

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:14 Yep

Lewis Howes 0:14 ... and, uh, a good buddy of mine, so I'm very grateful for Eric for connecting us. And, uh, I already feel really connected to you just in the last 20 minutes, hearing about everything and learning about your story. So excited to dive in. Now, a lot of people know you from The Matrix, right? Which was what, 15 years ago when that came out, or 1999, I think, 2000?

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:33 Yep.

Lewis Howes 0:34 And, uh-

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:35 Yeah

Lewis Howes 0:35 ... that was kind of like... It was such a huge thing. It's, it's amazing that you're talking about all the things that we were talking about before, about really this consciousness and this awareness, that that's really what you started in your career that made it big, is this consciousness and awareness. And now it's really what you're doing with your work, working with mothers, working with other women, about bringing this to life, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:55 Yeah, I think it's not so coincidental.

Lewis Howes 0:58 Really? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 0:58 And I, I'm in awe of the unfoldment of my own life-

Lewis Howes 1:03 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03 ... and looking at all of those things that could appear to be coincidental and-

Lewis Howes 1:07 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08 ... and understanding that, that there's a journey there that is beyond me. And I'm beyond grateful for getting to play, like, that role and having that impact-

Lewis Howes 1:20 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:21 ... and being a part of something that had that, that much of an impact on people. I-

Lewis Howes 1:26 Still today, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:27 Yeah. And it's, the consciousness of it is so deep and layered. And I remember at the time that I didn't at all understand the depth of, of it.

Lewis Howes 1:37 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:37 I was, you know, on a spiritual journey. I understood the layers of consciousness in it, but I didn't understand it at all from an intellectual point of view.

Lewis Howes 1:46 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:47 The directors and the writers, um, that created it, they... Very smart people and-

Lewis Howes 1:53 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:53 ... really bright.

Lewis Howes 1:54 Brilliant.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:54 Brilliant.

Lewis Howes 1:55 I mean, it's like, to come up-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:56 Brilliant

Lewis Howes 1:56 ... with a script like that.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:57 Totally brilliant.

Lewis Howes 1:58 It's-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:58 And I, I remember I had a rock at my door. In fact, I still have it. It's in my office. And it said, "Believe." And I remember thinking about Trinity, and I understood her heart completely. I'm not a very intellectual person. Like, I, I completely come from instinct and intuition-

Lewis Howes 2:18 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:18 ... and my heart, and I understood her that way.

Lewis Howes 2:21 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:21 That was my way in. And I always felt like she was the heart-

Lewis Howes 2:25 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:25 ... of the three of them.

Lewis Howes 2:26 She was.

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:26 Morpheus, Neo-

Lewis Howes 2:27 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:27 ... and Trinity. And, and, um, I had the greatest time playing her and bringing her to life and being a part of that, and-

Lewis Howes 2:34 What an experience.

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:35 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:36 I mean, was life just completely changed after that? Because before you were working and you were a consistent actor, right? And you were a model before that. But then that really kind of, like, took it to a whole 'nother level.

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:46 It did. I, I-

Lewis Howes 2:46 Like, everyone watched the movie, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 2:48 Yeah, I mean, it was, it was one of those moments where I remember shortly before getting it where I thought, "Oh, you know, I'm gonna be turning 30, and maybe I'll never be in movies. Maybe I'll just have this mediocre television career," and that's, like, better than most people.

Lewis Howes 3:04 Most people don't get that.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:05 Most people don't ever get that. I make a living as an actor. I understood how-

Lewis Howes 3:08 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:08 ... big that was. Uh, I had a lot of friends who were actors, and most of us weren't making a living as an actor. So I understood. I, you know, I bought a house as an actor.

Lewis Howes 3:17 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:17 I was paying my bills as an actor.

Lewis Howes 3:19 You weren't waiting tables.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:20 Yeah, and it wasn't that far off.

Lewis Howes 3:23 Right, right, right, right, right, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:24 But, but, you know, I was making a living. I was-

Lewis Howes 3:25 Some months were you're like, "Well, maybe I need to go get a second job," right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:28 Absolutely.

Lewis Howes 3:28 Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:29 Absolutely. In fact-

Lewis Howes 3:30 You're never, you're never certain in, as an actor

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:32 ... in fact, wait, when I, after I shot The Matrix, that year of shooting The Matrix, I wasn't sure if I was gonna need to wait tables in between it and coming out.

Lewis Howes 3:39 What? No.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:40 I wasn't sure. And I thought to myself-

Lewis Howes 3:43 Was it not that big of a paid gig, or...?

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:45 No. No.

Lewis Howes 3:45 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:46 I was like nobody, right? I-

Lewis Howes 3:47 So they gave you... So you didn't get a big-

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:49 No

Lewis Howes 3:49 ... like Keanu did, you know?

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:51 No. I was... It was, uh... Yeah, I would've done it for free, and they all know that, right?

Lewis Howes 3:55 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 3:55 When they're making your deals. But I remember thinking... You know, I got offered a few things before it, it came out, and things for, like, a lot of money, but they weren't great.

Lewis Howes 4:07 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:07 And I had to trust that the movie-

Lewis Howes 4:09 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:09 ... I didn't know if the movie was gonna be big. I didn't know-

Lewis Howes 4:12 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:12 ... if, um, if my career was gonna take off or not. Uh, and I just had to know that it w- I had to trust and really get into that place of trusting that.

Lewis Howes 4:22 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:23 And, and it-

Lewis Howes 4:23 So you turned down bigger paying jobs for-

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:25 Oh, big time

Lewis Howes 4:25 ... a potential of a, it could potentially be a bust.

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:28 Totally.

Lewis Howes 4:28 Who knows if the movie's gonna be a hit or not, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:30 Totally.

Lewis Howes 4:30 These guys weren't, like, uh... Were they known directors or producers before?

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:34 They'd done-

Lewis Howes 4:34 Was it like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:35 They'd done, like, a, a, a, a, a movie that had done well, but there was no-

Lewis Howes 4:38 Gotcha. But who knows?

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:39 I had no idea. I had-

Lewis Howes 4:39 It was a weird concept, or it was like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:41 Ugh, so many people didn't understand what the heck we were doing.

Lewis Howes 4:44 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:45 And, and yeah, I, I had to, I had to believe, and I hadn't seen, like, a piece of it. I didn't know what it even looked like.

Lewis Howes 4:53 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 4:53 And I just... I remember getting one offer in particular that was quite big. I'd never seen an offer like that.

Lewis Howes 5:00 Like a TV deal or a commercial?

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:00 No, it was a m- it was a movie thing.

Lewis Howes 5:02 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:02 But it was, it wasn't in alignment with, like, what I was about.

Lewis Howes 5:06 Yeah, your truth.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:06 And so it was... And so I couldn't, I couldn't say yes to just the money.

Lewis Howes 5:09 Yeah. That's the worst.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:10 Couldn't do it. And I'm glad I, I didn't do it. You know, I've never done that.

Lewis Howes 5:14 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:14 So, so it wasn't really that hard of a decision, and if I had to wait tables, I would've waited tables. You know what? I loved waiting tables, I gotta tell you.

Lewis Howes 5:22 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:22 I waited tables. I was, um, very good at it. W- I-

Lewis Howes 5:26 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:26 ... almost managed restaurants when I was, like, 17, 8 year, 18 years old in Vancouver. I was the waitress that people would bring their families.

Lewis Howes 5:35 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:35 And I would hold their kids while they ate dinner, and their children would bring me photographs that they had drawn.

Lewis Howes 5:40 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:40 And I loved being of service, and I loved serving people food.

Lewis Howes 5:45 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:45 And I loved being in the energy of a restaurant. I thought that's what I was gonna do, uh, as a career, was perhaps manage and... You know, I was-

Lewis Howes 5:54 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 5:54 ... I was going up the ranks in the restaurant chain that I worked at pretty fast 'cause I was good with people, and I loved what I did, and I enjoyed it.

Lewis Howes 6:01 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:02 And then I remembered. A friend of mine came in, and I was, I remembered that I had a dream of being an actress. And I didn't know exactly how I was gonna do it because I'd never seen anyone do it before. I didn't know anyone. I mean, Michael J. Fox had gone to my elementary school.

Lewis Howes 6:17 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:18 Um, although I didn't-

Lewis Howes 6:19 He's Canadian, huh?

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:19 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 6:20 Oh, wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:20 And although I didn't know him, he was like a light for me.

Lewis Howes 6:23 Of course.

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:23 That someone who, who walked in the same school that I went to was able to-

Lewis Howes 6:29 Make it

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:30 ... make that, and it would just seem so far away. And I just rekindled that idea that I had that dream, and it lived within me. And sure, I could go into restaurant business and, and probably do really well at it and really enjoy it, but that I had this deep yearning to be an artist, and to be an-

Lewis Howes 6:49 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 6:49 ... actress, and to tell stories, and to do that. And I went, and I studied. I came here to Pasadena to s- to go to school for a year, and I, you know, I had a job to pay for that. I, you know-

Lewis Howes 7:01 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:02 ... I, I mean, it really was a hard thing to do. I went to school full time and, and had like-

Lewis Howes 7:07 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:07 ... three jobs or something.

Lewis Howes 7:08 How old were you at this time?

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:09 I think I was 18 or 19.

Lewis Howes 7:12 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:12 I was young, and-

Lewis Howes 7:13 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:13 ... and then I traveled, and I did some modeling, and that was really an incredibly eye-opening experience for me. And then I moved home to Vancouver after being in... I'd been in Japan. I'd been in Spain. I'd been in, um, in a few different places, in Belgium. And I came home, and I thought, "Okay. I'll, I'll try to be an actress here in Vancouver."

Lewis Howes 7:36 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:37 And after a few days, I started to feel kinda blue, and my mom was like, "That's not like you." I m- normally have quite a-

Lewis Howes 7:45 Sad, you mean.

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 7:46 Blue as in sad. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:47 Yeah, blue as in sad.

Lewis Howes 7:48 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:49 You don't say that?

Lewis Howes 7:50 No, I just didn't know if you were like [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:51 Is that a girl thing?

Lewis Howes 7:51 ... sick or what. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:53 No. I felt, yeah, I felt kind of sad-

Lewis Howes 7:54 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:55 ... and not very turned on-

Lewis Howes 7:57 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 7:57 ... energetically for what was happening in my life. I mean, I'd literally been home, like, a few days.

Lewis Howes 8:02 Wow. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:03 You know, I probably needed to ride it out a little bit.

Lewis Howes 8:05 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:05 But I remembered, like, since I was a child, I saw myself living here-

Lewis Howes 8:10 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:10 ... driving on the PCH, wearing all white, which is interesting 'cause now I'm a Kundalini yoga teacher, and-

Lewis Howes 8:16 Wearing all white? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:16 ... way out where I wear all white all the time. I live right off of that PCH.

Lewis Howes 8:20 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:21 And I envisioned that since I was a child.

Lewis Howes 8:24 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:24 I envisioned the life that I have since I was a child. When we talk about, you know, visualization and-

Lewis Howes 8:29 Yes

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:29 ... manifestation, those were naturally within me since I was a little kid. I was making vision boards when I was seven and-

Lewis Howes 8:38 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:38 ... eight years old.

Lewis Howes 8:39 Did you know what you were doing or just like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:40 Had no idea

Lewis Howes 8:41 ... it was like, "Here's a dream. It'd be cool to do this," but you just-

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:43 I was meditating when I was a kid with other-

Lewis Howes 8:45 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:45 ... children, and asking-

Lewis Howes 8:47 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:48 ... and going in a circle with them, and, and having a love for yoga, which I didn't even know what yoga was. And-

Lewis Howes 8:54 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 8:55 ... I was just very tuned in, I guess, to some of those things that now I have such a great love for.

Lewis Howes 9:01 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:01 And I can see the seeds, and they weren't planted there by other people.

Lewis Howes 9:04 They were not.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:05 They were in me. No, they weren't.

Lewis Howes 9:06 You didn't see it on TV or movies or-

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:08 Well, I could have seen a lot of what-

Lewis Howes 9:10 Right, right

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:10 ... my career was in television, absolutely, because I grew up watching a lot of television.

Lewis Howes 9:14 So that's, was the inspiration-

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:15 Probably

Lewis Howes 9:16 ... maybe came from the things you saw in Hollywood or whatever, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:19 Absolutely.

Lewis Howes 9:19 You saw the PCH.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:21 Exactly. How would I have known that?

Lewis Howes 9:22 The Cosby Show on-

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:22 Yes, yeah

Lewis Howes 9:22 ... Baywatch or something, right? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:23 Probably. I think W- We're talking way pre-Baywatch.

Lewis Howes 9:26 Right, right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:26 We're talking Three's Company.

Lewis Howes 9:27 For sure, sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:27 We're talking Happy Days.

Lewis Howes 9:29 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:29 We're talking, you know, all those shows. And I remember, like, just as a family, we would go to Seattle once a year.

Lewis Howes 9:38 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:38 And to go, like, across the border into the United States of America-

Lewis Howes 9:41 It was a huge hop

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:41 ... was huge. And I could get, like, all the candy and the chocolate that I saw in the commercials-

Lewis Howes 9:46 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:47 ... because we didn't have that stuff. It was, like, a big deal. Like, if-

Lewis Howes 9:50 You had the fake M&M's, not the real ones.

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:51 I don't know.

Lewis Howes 9:52 Yeah, right. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:52 We had, we had different stuff. But I remember, like, thinking, like, America-

Lewis Howes 9:56 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:57 ... had something that-

Lewis Howes 9:59 You wanted

Carrie-Anne Moss 9:59 ... that I wanted. And although-

Lewis Howes 10:01 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:01 ... I can see now that it's not necessarily true, Canada, America, I mean-

Lewis Howes 10:06 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:06 ... there's so many great qualities in both countries. But I was definitely attracted to the vibration of the United States of America for me as an, as a, wanting to be-

Lewis Howes 10:15 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:15 ... an actress and stuff.

Lewis Howes 10:16 It's funny, we were just talking before we started recording that, you know, you might move out of the country now-

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:21 Yep. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 10:21 ... at some point, like, depending on who is elected president, based on where things go. It's kind of interesting how you got what you wanted, and now you may wanna-

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:29 Well, who knows? I think-

Lewis Howes 10:30 Who knows? Yes

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:30 ... I, I always wanna move, and-

Lewis Howes 10:32 Right. Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:32 ... I, I think, you know, one of the things that I'm exploring right now at this phase in my life is where is home?

Lewis Howes 10:37 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 10:37 And when it comes down to it, home is in, is within me, no matter what. And I know that. I believe that. But there's another level that I'm exploring. I was just writing about it for Annapurna Living about home, and I've written a lot about it because it's... I think as the mother of three children, that I think about it a lot. My husband and I think about it a lot, about the memories that we are creating for our children, and, um, the, where we're choosing to be, and where we're laying down roots-

Lewis Howes 11:09 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:09 ... and what kind of life we want for our children. And the reality is you're having the life you're having. So it-

Lewis Howes 11:15 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:16 ... you can live in your mind of thinking that things could be better somewhere else, and yet, y- you need to be where you are 'cause as Ram Dass says, you know, "Be here now."

Lewis Howes 11:26 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:26 Or, you know, wherever I am, there I am, and I am really exploring that right now. You know, we're in a rental house in the Palisades 'cause we sold our family home a couple years ago thinking we were gonna move-

Lewis Howes 11:38 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:39 ... out of s- out of California.

Lewis Howes 11:41 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:43 And I love the house that we live in. It's an old house, but it's not mine. I still have, like, boxes in the closet. We're moved in. We've... It's like we're going on our second year, but we didn't unpack everything.

Lewis Howes 11:54 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 11:55 And I didn't realize I was loving it at a distance. I didn't realize until just a few weeks ago. I went away to London to work, and I had this breakthrough. Sometimes I have those when I pull out of my life and-

Lewis Howes 12:08 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:08 ... have a moment of space, mental space. I think as mothers it's- It's not often that we have the mental space to be, um, thinking of other things other than what we're, what we're doing

Lewis Howes 12:20 And your c- children and your husband-

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:21 Yeah

Lewis Howes 12:21 ... and your life and your career

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:22 All of that

Lewis Howes 12:23 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:23 Yeah. And so I had this moment, and when I came home, I, I, I just saw the house in a different way.

Lewis Howes 12:28 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:28 And I started loving it in this way. I had this dream of, of living on a farm and having animals and having, um, green and having a garden, all of these things, and so I started a little one, like, not a big one.

Lewis Howes 12:44 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:44 And of course then, then this is what my mind does. I thought, "Oh, I need to go to, like, the right store and, like, get the right plants." That... Well, I can't do that right now. So I went to Gelson's and got the organic herbs that just-

Lewis Howes 12:55 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 12:55 ... were there. I, that... Three plants, 3.99 each.

Lewis Howes 13:00 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:01 I don't have to wait-

Lewis Howes 13:02 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:02 ... till I can get to the perfect store to get the right combination-

Lewis Howes 13:06 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:07 ... to have it done right.

Lewis Howes 13:09 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:09 It's not about that. I put these three little potted plants in my window, and a fern, and it's bringing me so much joy to look at it every-

Lewis Howes 13:17 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:17 ... morning with my tea. And I thought, "Wow, I've been waiting."

Lewis Howes 13:22 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:22 I've been waiting thinking that over there, somewhere else, I'll have that. But I can have it here. I can have it now, and that's what I try to live my life exploring.

Lewis Howes 13:34 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:34 Where am I not living my, like, my desire of how I wanna be living, like, right now? Intimacy with people. Well, my life is filled with people that I'm interacting with all the time.

Lewis Howes 13:49 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:49 How can I connect in that way without leaking all over the place or squandering my energy?

Lewis Howes 13:56 What do you mean by leaking?

Carrie-Anne Moss 13:57 Well, I think that I have a tendency, although not as much as I used to have. I used to... This used to be something that I definitely dealt with and when I was younger, sharing too much or leaking, like, having my energy-

Lewis Howes 14:13 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 14:13 ... leaking out of the boat, basically.

Lewis Howes 14:15 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 14:16 And I know when I'm doing that, that it's a sign that something's off. So when I look at that, and I noticed it recently, I hadn't noticed it in a while, hadn't felt that, I thought, "Okay, what is that telling me?" Like, it's, um, a red flag-

Lewis Howes 14:34 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 14:34 ... or a red light saying, "Okay, where am I not taking tender care of my soul?"

Lewis Howes 14:39 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 14:40 "Or myself or what I have right in front of me?" And what I love about consciousness and awareness is that it happens in a moment. And so I try to look at my life that way in everything I do.

Lewis Howes 14:53 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 14:54 And when I feel off, I don't beat myself up. I go, "Oh, something needs my attention. Thank you for showing me that. Okay. Let's shift here-"

Lewis Howes 15:04 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:04 ... "or shift there," and-

Lewis Howes 15:05 I call that feedback.

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:06 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 15:06 You know, it's not like we're failing at something in our life or our relationships or our health. It's not a failure. It's just, like... It's information for us to say what's working and what's not working-

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:15 Yeah

Lewis Howes 15:15 ... on our dreams or where we wanna be, you know? So-

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:17 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 15:18 ... that's cool. What do you think is missing the most for people right now? At least in, let's say, in, um, in America, what's missing for people? What do you think that they're lacking the most of?

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:29 Well, the thing that comes to mind is connection.

Lewis Howes 15:31 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:32 I, I'm pretty passionate about that-

Lewis Howes 15:34 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:35 ... because I think that when you're connected to yourself, then you know what you need, and I think that we're bombarded with so much information right now, and we don't need any more information. What we need is wisdom to know what information works for us.

Lewis Howes 15:50 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:50 We don't really need another course to do to get ourselves distracted into another idea, and there's so many people that are teaching so many great things-

Lewis Howes 15:59 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 15:59 ... which I'm all about, and I, I, I'm so grateful. But really, how can you discern for yourself what you need and not just get lost in the information and feel overwhelmed and bogged down and then start to spiral into the same issues that brought you there-

Lewis Howes 16:13 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:14 ... which are not feeling like you're enough, like so-and-so has a better life than you, and maybe you're doing it wrong. But when you're connected to yourself, and that's why one of the things I teach are three-minute meditations, so that people don't, I think-

Lewis Howes 16:27 And you're a yoga teacher as well.

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:28 Yeah. I'm, well, I've been studying Kundalini Yoga for a long time.

Lewis Howes 16:31 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:31 Like, over 20 years, and I became a, a Kundalini Yoga teacher. I took the teacher training, which I highly recommend to absolutely everybody.

Lewis Howes 16:39 Just to get it-

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:39 Um-

Lewis Howes 16:39 ... even if you're not gonna teach it

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:40 ... uh, uh, no doubt about it. It's-

Lewis Howes 16:42 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:42 ... it's the single best-

Lewis Howes 16:44 Huh

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:44 ... thing I've ever done.

Lewis Howes 16:46 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:46 The tools for living a life, a modern life right now, are in there, and I knew I needed it. My husband had taken it, and, uh, I watched him really transform. And then I knew I knew all this. I'm, you know-

Lewis Howes 16:59 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 16:59 ... I, I, I-

Lewis Howes 17:00 You'd experienced it before. You had heard it

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:01 I, I know. I-

Lewis Howes 17:01 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:01 ... well, I've been taking yoga forever. I've been studying with Guru Singh forever. I've, you know, I've been awake for a long time.

Lewis Howes 17:09 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:11 But I was starting to feel a lot of anxiety, daily anxiety.

Lewis Howes 17:16 When was this?

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:17 Mm, probably after I had... my kids started growing a little bit. So this is a few years ago.

Lewis Howes 17:21 Yeah. And you have three children, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:22 I have three kids.

Lewis Howes 17:23 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:23 12, almost 13. He's almost 13, and then I have a 10-year-old, and then I have an almost seven-year-old.

Lewis Howes 17:28 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:29 And I started just to feel the manicness of my mind.

Lewis Howes 17:32 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:32 Just, you know, at night-

Lewis Howes 17:34 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:34 ... not sleeping well, thinking about what schools they should go to-

Lewis Howes 17:37 Oh, my gosh

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:37 ... what the world was gonna be like for them, and feeling just overwhelmed and leaking with-

Lewis Howes 17:44 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:44 ... looking for the best schools and looking for what I could do, when really what I needed was to connect to myself.

Lewis Howes 17:51 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:53 Finding there's no perfect school out there. There's no-

Lewis Howes 17:57 There's no perfect garden

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:57 ... there's no perfect garden.

Lewis Howes 17:59 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 17:59 There's no perfect neighborhood.

Lewis Howes 18:01 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:01 There's no perfect anything. And so I started to take the teacher training, which I did over a nine-month period, and at that point, I couldn't even imagine, like, leaving my life for one weekend a month. I mean-

Lewis Howes 18:13 It's so much, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:14 I would go home at night, but you know- I, up until then, I hadn't, I barely had a babysitter for my children.

Lewis Howes 18:20 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:20 So it was a huge deal.

Lewis Howes 18:21 Huge commitment.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:22 Huge commitment. My children play sports on the weekend. I like to be there.

Lewis Howes 18:25 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:25 I don't like to miss stuff. Uh-

Lewis Howes 18:27 So what made you decide to do it then?

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:28 Well, it was time.

Lewis Howes 18:29 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:30 I knew it was time. My husband said, "We can do it. Uh, we can, we can take... I can take care of it. You go do this."

Lewis Howes 18:36 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:36 "This will be the best thing you do."

Lewis Howes 18:37 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:37 And so he was very supportive of that-

Lewis Howes 18:39 That's cool

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:39 ... which always helps, and I know a lot of people don't have that kind of-

Lewis Howes 18:41 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:41 ... supportive partnerships, but, um, I was really grateful. I needed that. I needed that support, 'cause I don't think I would've done it quite then.

Lewis Howes 18:49 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 18:50 And then I did it and, uh, started... You know, if I could say one thing that I got out of it, like, I got a million things, but one of the major things was having a regular meditation practice.

Lewis Howes 19:02 That's so powerful.

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:03 So powerful because when you can meditate and start taking out the s- the garbage of your subconscious mind-

Lewis Howes 19:08 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:08 ... and you go through that period of getting there, and then you get to that place where when you close your eyes, and even if it's only for three minutes, that you have a, a, a moment of not being in that craziness-

Lewis Howes 19:23 The race. Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:23 ... and, and all of that manic-

Lewis Howes 19:24 The matrix

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:25 ... yep.

Lewis Howes 19:26 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:26 And you connect to yourself and you connect to your soul. Even if it's for a moment, when you catch a glimpse of that, your life changes.

Lewis Howes 19:34 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:35 Because you, you just... It's, it's the sweetest thing, and it doesn't cost any money. You don't need anybody but you. And it's not always blissful or easy or any-

Lewis Howes 19:49 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:49 ... I'm not suggesting that. But when you catch a glimpse of that, it's, for me, it's heaven.

Lewis Howes 19:55 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 19:55 It's just the most euphoric... Like, I love that. And so I do that every day.

Lewis Howes 20:00 That's great.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:00 And sometimes I don't wanna do it.

Lewis Howes 20:02 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:02 And sometimes I don't have that euphoric moment of it. But the more that I do it, the more that I'm able to handle stressful situations, the more that I'm able to go with the flow. And what did I... The other day, I was taking my daughter somewhere and we were [laughs] ... What did I say to her? I said, "Well, let's go, let's go to Sweet Rose Creamery," this ice cream place-

Lewis Howes 20:21 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:21 ... organic ice cream place on the corner.

Lewis Howes 20:23 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:23 And she was like, "Really?" She was so shocked, and she was like... I said, "Yeah." I said, "Let's just do it." She was like [gasps] ... And she's walking ahead of me and she goes, "You know, Mom, sometimes you just gotta go with the flow." [laughs] And I thought, "How many times have I said that to her when I haven't been able to get her in the car?" You know?

Lewis Howes 20:37 Right, or you're late for practice or whatever it is.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:38 She... It was so cute to hear it mirrored back, of course, in a situation that she was just so excited about.

Lewis Howes 20:42 [laughs] Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:43 So sometimes you just gotta go with the flow.

Lewis Howes 20:45 That's amazing.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:45 So yeah, uh, yeah. So meditation and, um-

Lewis Howes 20:49 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:49 ... has been s- such a big deal for me. And the kundalini yoga music that I listen to a lot-

Lewis Howes 20:54 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:54 ... raises the vibration of my-

Lewis Howes 20:55 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:56 ... of my life.

Lewis Howes 20:57 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 20:57 The sound. The sound actually-

Lewis Howes 20:59 Do you do the bowls, too, and the-

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:01 I don't

Lewis Howes 21:01 ... what's that called?

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:01 Yeah, um-

Lewis Howes 21:02 Where they, like, put the sticker on the bowl and-

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:04 Yeah. I love that. I mean, I love it.

Lewis Howes 21:05 It's a great sound.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:06 Yeah. I, I don't know.

Lewis Howes 21:07 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:08 I think it's bowls.

Lewis Howes 21:09 Bowls. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:09 I don't know.

Lewis Howes 21:10 It's like crystal bowls or something, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:11 Crystal bowls, yeah.

Lewis Howes 21:12 Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:12 Yeah, it's not part of my practice-

Lewis Howes 21:13 Sure, sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:13 ... but I sure appreciate that.

Lewis Howes 21:14 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:14 But my practice is real simple. I'll put a sheepskin in my kitchen on the floor, tune in, meditate. I'll do it in my kids' playroom. I'll do it in the bathroom while they're, one of them, when they were little, having a bath. And that's what I feel that I wanna share with women and why I work with a lot of mothers on Annapurna Living and with my Mother Course and with Fierce Grace Collective, is demystifying meditation, and really teaching to the householder. Kundalini yoga was brought for the householder, not for the, you know, for the person living on, you know, in the cave in solitude-

Lewis Howes 21:48 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:49 ... and, and all of that. Like, we're living these modern lives.

Lewis Howes 21:51 For people like you, who've got a career, busy career, three kids.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:54 Full on.

Lewis Howes 21:55 You know, full on.

Carrie-Anne Moss 21:56 Full on. And I don't-

Lewis Howes 21:57 You were saying that you used to say no to things like this. You know, in the past you just say no to everything, as you said you didn't have the time.

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:02 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 22:02 And so you've got a lot going on. So how do you meditate and how do you develop the practice in this n- in the messiness, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:09 Well, I try to keep it super simple.

Lewis Howes 22:11 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:11 And-

Lewis Howes 22:12 How, how long is it for? A few minutes you said?

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:13 Well, like, I-

Lewis Howes 22:14 Okay

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:14 ... my sadhana, which is, like, some exercises, it can be more like half an hour to an hour.

Lewis Howes 22:19 Sure, sure, sure. With yoga-

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:20 Yeah

Lewis Howes 22:20 ... mixed in, right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:20 But if I, if I really can't do that, then I'll, I'll literally, it takes me five minutes to tune in and, and do a meditation, and that'll make such a huge difference in my day if I-

Lewis Howes 22:30 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:30 ... if I do that.

Lewis Howes 22:31 You know, it's interesting, I've been talking a lot about meditation, uh, on this with people, and what if there was no meditation? What would you be doing to give yourself that inner peace? If there was no meditation or yoga, you couldn't do it, do you think there'd be an, a substitute for it? For people that are like, "You know what? It's just really not for me. Like, meditation, yoga, just not something I'm even gonna think about doing."

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:52 Hmm.

Lewis Howes 22:52 But is there another solution for people who are similar to you, who have busy lives?

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:56 I think they should try meditating.

Lewis Howes 22:58 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 22:58 Because I think that when I come back around to any issue that I have in my life, that if I'm meditating on, on a regular basis, even if it's just sitting still, putting your hand on your heart and inhaling and exhaling and connecting to your breath. I'm not talking about doing... I don't do, like, hardcore yoga. I do, like, kundali- uh, you know, that kind of physical downward dog.

Lewis Howes 23:23 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 23:23 I mean, I do, I love that, but that's not the kind of yoga that I do. Kundalini yoga is different. It's the yoga of awareness. It's a different kind of yoga.

Lewis Howes 23:29 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 23:29 That when I do that regularly, uh, uh, it's not that things don't happen, but I'm able to clearly move through them energetically, and I'm able to sort of see how I need to, to do things. And when I don't do 'em, do that, then it's a lot more complicated. So I say try it, you know? I, I don't believe that any of us... I can't... You have to experience something.

Lewis Howes 23:56 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 23:57 And if you really don't want to, like, maybe ask why.

Lewis Howes 24:00 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 24:01 Like, what is that? Whose voice is that? Because if somebody... If you, if you could sit down with yourself and connect to yourself, and maybe there's too much pain. Maybe there's too many voices in there. Maybe you just can't imagine it. Maybe you judge that or whatever that is. Look at that.

Lewis Howes 24:17 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 24:17 What is that? Because there's probably something to really learn there. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And maybe it's running for some people, or hiking for some people, and looking at nature. I mean, there's so many ways in. Yeah, swimming or whatever, yeah. There's so many ways in, and you have to know yourself to know- Mm ... what works for you. Yeah. Who was the most influential person in your life growing up? My mom. And why is that? Well, she loved me so much that I remember feeling incredibly loved as a child, and I remember feeling like the world was a good place. Mm. I think that's really important to give our children, and I think that because we're exposed to so many things today, it's hard to protect them. Yeah. And you want your children to be aware, but sometimes I hear, like, really young children worried about GMO food and worried about the environment. And of course they are because they're hearing us, and, and we're having more intimacy with our children today than perhaps the parents of my, you know, my generation of growing up. Right. Uh, I think that we are much more intimate, so our children are really experiencing us in a different way, which is wonderful. Yeah. But I have to be mindful of not bringing too much to them too soon. What do you mean too much to them? Too much protection or too much information? Too, too much information. Mm. Let them be children. Right. Let them believe that the world is a beautiful, safe, incredible place. Mm-hmm. Because you need that foundation, I think, to really thrive in life. Yeah. That's something that I believe is really worth a lot, and it's hard to have that. You know, I have an older child now too, so my younger child's getting exposed to all kinds of stuff- Right ... so much younger. And, and there isn't any perfect way, and I, I, I'm all about connection to my children and being present and meeting them where they are and all of that. But my mom, I, I look back and I felt we didn't have a lot of money. Mm-hmm. We didn't have any of that material stuff, and yet I felt like our house was magic. Hmm. I felt like, I felt like there was so much possibility in the world. Wow. And I got that from her. And it's not necessarily that she is, like, this super positive person. She created that for us. How so? I have a memory, like, my on- I, I... One of my biggest memories as a child w- were these place mats we had, and they had a, that yellow happy face. Uh-huh. Sure, sure. And we had, like, things that hung that had, like, happy faces on them. [laughs] And she had, like, sayings about parenting on the wall that were all about respect. And she talked to me like I was a human being and a person. We had a relationship that was that way. Hmm. And she... I remember her talking about that she wanted that, that it was important to her. And she put herself through college when my brother and I were little, and I went to the nursery school at the college. Wow. She took my brother to classes. Hmm. We watched our mom get her high school diploma and go to college- Whoa ... and learn a, learn how to do something. I remember my mom, coming home with her one day from there, it was Langara College, and, like, she picked up a hitchhiker, a kid. [laughs] And, like, gave him a lecture about, like, why it wasn't a good idea to do that, and I was in the car. And she wasn't, like... She was super, uh, you know, reading and into, into- Wow ... being self-taught and about... She wanted us to have, like, a better life, right? She wanted that. Were your parents together, or- No, they weren't. Wow. So she was a single mom. She was a single mom for a big part of it. Wow. And then she got married to my stepfather for a few years in there. Um, but I think of our family unit as my brother and her and I. Wow. And she always believed in me too. And I remember when I was a kid, she would come home, and I would've literally called all the acting agencies in Vancouver- Uh-huh ... and, like, set up appointments. And she would come home. I think I was, like, maybe sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth grade, I don't know, somewhere in there, and, uh, she'd be like, "Carrie-Anne, you're gonna have to call and cancel that." [laughs] "And when you're old enough to drive yourself, you can." Wow. [laughs] And I'm so glad that she did that. And- That's hilarious ... but she took me... You know, I was in dance class, and I sang all over Vancouver. I was part of- Yeah ... this troupe called The Ormiston Entertainers, and there were a... We were, like, this... We, we would go into this... This woman taught us, and we'd sing show tunes, and we'd go and we'd perform. I was a Scottish dancer, and I performed that way. And I sang, and I was in all the school plays, and I wrote the school plays. And I, I- Hmm ... I loved that. And my mom always played music, and she played the guitar, and she sang. And so I was around a creative... You know, she was a creative person. Yeah. I think the thing that I have that's surprising is the fierceness that I have. Yeah. I think that's where, if I look at my mom and what she might be proud of me for, and I know she's proud of me for lots of things, 'cause she shares that with me, is that I'm, I'm pretty hardcore. Yeah. I'm, I'm very compassionate- Mm-hmm ... and have a lot of heart, but I'm also really strong. Yeah, I feel that about you. Thanks. Yeah. [laughs] Man, I don't know if it's thanks or not. But, like, you know, I moved here knowing absolutely nobody. Wow. I had one

Carrie-Anne Moss 29:52 person that I knew. I had no money. I had no green card. I just had a dream. Hmm. And I wasn't super savvy. I mean, I was... I have a, a great deal of naivety at the same time. That helps. In a, in a... Yeah, totally helps. That helps. I don't know how. [laughs] I, I lived for Oprah back then- Oh, I love Oprah ... because she was my 3:00, you know? I knew I, knew I had something that I could do at 3:00. Hmm. Because I didn't have auditions, I didn't have friends, I didn't have anything here that first year of living in LA.

Lewis Howes 30:23 Where'd you live? Where did you-

Carrie-Anne Moss 30:23 I lived right around the corner on Melrose. My man-

Lewis Howes 30:25 No way

Carrie-Anne Moss 30:26 ... I met my, I met my manager, who's from Vancouver. She and I have been together for 24-

Lewis Howes 30:31 No way

Carrie-Anne Moss 30:32 ... years. She still lives there.

Lewis Howes 30:33 So she's, so she was in Vancouver, she said to go to LA.

Carrie-Anne Moss 30:36 I met her. I, I wa- I, I was walking by her office, bringing a guy that I knew to meet a modeling agent, and she saw me, and she said, "You, come in." And I... We ended up talking, and she said, "What do you wanna do?" I said, "I, I'm, I'm going to LA to be an actress." And she said, "I'll help you."

Lewis Howes 30:52 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 30:52 I was like, "Okay." She became my manager, and her ex-husband lived here, and part of their... You know, he, they had a child, and I lived, I rented a room, and I paid her the $500. It was part of his-

Lewis Howes 31:07 No way

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:07 ... his, like his support or whatever.

Lewis Howes 31:09 Sure, sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:09 And he was, he's a comedian and a talk show host, and he's amazing. And I, he was always traveling, and so I lived in this one room in his apartment in-

Lewis Howes 31:18 Right off Melrose

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:18 ... off Melrose.

Lewis Howes 31:19 Oh. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:20 Suites here in Melrose.

Lewis Howes 31:21 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:21 And I didn't have enough money to go for a coffee, and I'm not exaggerating.

Lewis Howes 31:25 Of course.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:25 Okay? Not even in the least. And I just knew that-

Lewis Howes 31:30 Did she start sending you out on auditions, or what happened?

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:33 She connected me with an agent.

Lewis Howes 31:34 Uh-huh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:34 And I met an agent, and I started auditioning, and I started to work.

Lewis Howes 31:38 Acting classes and-

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:39 I started to do acting classes, and I-

Lewis Howes 31:42 So you got work early on

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:43 ... little bits.

Lewis Howes 31:44 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:44 Little things here and there.

Lewis Howes 31:45 Extra work here and there.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:46 No, I never did extra.

Lewis Howes 31:46 Oh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:47 I did extra work when I was really young, but no-

Lewis Howes 31:48 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:48 ... no, like, like parts. Like I-

Lewis Howes 31:50 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:50 Yeah. L- you know, little parts here and there.

Lewis Howes 31:53 And how old were you?

Carrie-Anne Moss 31:54 I was tw- I came, moved here on my, on my, almost my 25th birthday.

Lewis Howes 31:59 Okay, cool. Well, so you were here for about five years before you got The Matrix, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:03 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 32:03 Oh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:04 And I did TV, I did like Models Inc.

Lewis Howes 32:06 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:06 I, I did, um, different, you know, some Canadian stuff 'cause I was Canadian, so I could go-

Lewis Howes 32:11 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:11 ... and, and do Canadian stuff quite easily.

Lewis Howes 32:14 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:14 And-

Lewis Howes 32:14 Right, right, right

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:15 ... you know, being a Canadian actually really helped me to support myself as an actress because I, they wouldn't have to deal with that, that, um, Canadian issue.

Lewis Howes 32:23 Uh-huh. Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:24 So it actually worked out in my favor.

Lewis Howes 32:26 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:26 Who would've known that Canada would become so-

Lewis Howes 32:28 'Cause a lot of filming is in Vancouver, right? Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:30 ... Yeah, I actually would work more in Toronto.

Lewis Howes 32:31 Toronto.

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:31 Very rarely worked in Vancouver, but-

Lewis Howes 32:33 Gotcha

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:33 ... yeah, so that's-

Lewis Howes 32:35 Interesting

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:36 ... how it unfolded for me.

Lewis Howes 32:38 Wow. What's the biggest lesson that you've learned as an actor that you apply to real life?

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:44 Hmm. So many. I just don't think there's any separation. I, I look at myself as an actress-

Lewis Howes 32:53 Do I call it actress or actor?

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:54 It doesn't matter.

Lewis Howes 32:55 Yes or no?

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:55 Sometimes I say actor-

Lewis Howes 32:55 Okay

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:55 ... sometimes I say actress. I don't know.

Lewis Howes 32:57 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:57 It's sort of whatever I-

Lewis Howes 32:58 Tryna be politically correct here, right? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 32:59 No political correct with me. I'm like, depends on the day. Sometimes I call myself an actor, and other times I call myself-

Lewis Howes 33:04 Yeah, yeah. Okay

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:04 ... an actress. I don't even know why that is.

Lewis Howes 33:06 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:06 Like, I like that I can be mercurial like that, I guess.

Lewis Howes 33:09 There you go.

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:10 I, um, what... Geez Louise, that's a big question.

Lewis Howes 33:13 Biggest lesson you learned.

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:14 It's, I mean, every day. I look at life as an ongoing exploration of my soul and of my things that are in the way. What I love about acting is that so often the parts that I get are something that I'm actually working on in my own life-

Lewis Howes 33:31 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:31 ... in some way, shape, or form.

Lewis Howes 33:33 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:33 So I look at-

Lewis Howes 33:34 Can you give me an example-

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:35 Hmm

Lewis Howes 33:36 ... of one?

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:37 Let's see.

Lewis Howes 33:38 Maybe from the past where you're like, "Oh, I'm working on this right now," and...

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:41 Um, I mean, it can be very subtle. It might not even be-

Lewis Howes 33:44 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:44 ... in the material.

Lewis Howes 33:45 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:45 It might be just a theme, an overarching-

Lewis Howes 33:47 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:47 ... theme of when I think of the character.

Lewis Howes 33:49 Gotcha.

Carrie-Anne Moss 33:49 It's, you know, maybe I need to be exploring a certain part of myself that I'm not. So it's not as literal as that. I just went and spoke with some kids at, at our school, 'cause I like to work with the young actors.

Lewis Howes 34:02 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 34:02 So I was talking to the eighth grade about the play that they're doing. They're doing Fiddler on the Roof. And what I love to do for them, and what I love about acting is, where in your life are you like that? And where in your life are you judging that? So like one of the kids is playing a guy that can be really judged, and we, you know, we brought in some f- political figures that are-

Lewis Howes 34:22 Interesting

Carrie-Anne Moss 34:22 ... that could be judged. And we, we, we, we looked at like what's happening in the world right now that we can look at this old, old play and bring ref- bring modern thinking to. And, you know, whenever we're judging somebody, it, there's something in there that, especially if you're playing it, you can't play-

Lewis Howes 34:41 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 34:41 ... you know, if you play someone and you're judging the character you're playing with, playing, you're, you're not getting into the person.

Lewis Howes 34:47 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 34:48 So one of the things that I have always applied in my acting career, and I'm actually thinking a lot about it r- lately as a woman, is I would always think when I, when I'd be get a job or something, that I was part of the wheel, right? Like you have your wheel with the spokes-

Lewis Howes 35:04 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:04 ... coming out of the wheel, like on a bicycle.

Lewis Howes 35:05 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:06 And that my value as an actor was no more important than the craft service, than the sound guy, than the camera operator, the producer, the m- the writer, all of us. It takes all of us, and we all have these-

Lewis Howes 35:20 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:20 ... equal pieces that create the function of this wheel. And so it's always been very important to me to understand that. Because sometimes as an actor, you, you get treated so well. Can be.

Lewis Howes 35:31 Yes.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:31 Not always. Very, you know, probably pretty rarely for most people, but I've had that experience where I've been treated so well.

Lewis Howes 35:36 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:36 People bring you a coffee, and, "What do you need?" And, "Oh, can you get me that from my trailer?" And [laughs] you know-

Lewis Howes 35:42 Right, right, right

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:42 ... those kinds of things-

Lewis Howes 35:43 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:44 ... that are pretty, um-

Lewis Howes 35:46 The sound guy doesn't get that treatment-

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:48 Right

Lewis Howes 35:48 ... necessarily.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:49 But I want, I always wanna remember that.

Lewis Howes 35:51 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:51 That, that part of the whole.

Lewis Howes 35:56 If the sound guy isn't doing his job, then you're gonna suffer. The wheel's gonna suffer.

Carrie-Anne Moss 35:59 Well, the, with-

Lewis Howes 35:59 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:00 ... and it's just holding that we're all creating this, we're all create, part of this creative process together. We're all making... Like, if you look at The Matrix, it was this, it was this coming together of all of these people that all had such big heart-

Lewis Howes 36:16 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:16 ... and expertise and passion and drive-

Lewis Howes 36:18 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:19 ... to create this product.

Lewis Howes 36:21 Unbelievable.

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:22 And it's, I love being a part of that. I'm a team player.

Lewis Howes 36:26 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:26 I love to be on a team. Uh, I'm not alone. I don't wanna do it-

Lewis Howes 36:31 A lone wolf

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:31 ... on my own.

Lewis Howes 36:31 Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:31 I love collaborating. It ... turns me on to collaborate with people

Lewis Howes 36:35 Yeah, yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:35 Like, I need that. Um, I'm not an island unto myself. I, I-

Lewis Howes 36:40 No

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:40 ... need that interaction with other people. So as an actress, I think. And then, you know, and then some basic things, like with, as an actress, often you're unemployed.

Lewis Howes 36:50 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 36:51 So I remember feeling, and I, feeling like if I needed to know that I was enough regardless of whether I had a job or not. So I worked hard at that.

Lewis Howes 37:01 Yeah. Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:01 That was an ongoing-

Lewis Howes 37:03 'Cause it might be a year or two we don't have something, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:05 C- can be. I mean, I-

Lewis Howes 37:06 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:06 ... if you were to look at, I have every journal I've ever written in since I was 10 years old. I have journals and journals and journals from that apartment on Melrose and Sweets are saying, "I am enough."

Lewis Howes 37:15 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:15 "I am enough. I am enough. I deserve, I deserve success." I, I, I worked through all of that really vigorously. That was... I would wake up in the morning and do my morning pages from The Artist's Way, Julia Cameron's Artist's Way.

Lewis Howes 37:33 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:33 And I would write and get it out, and I would apply that and go into an audition. And my mom was just saying the other day, I saw her and my brother in London, and, uh, she was saying how what she was so impressed with when I was younger and auditioning a lot was that I was able to do it and let it go and move on.

Lewis Howes 37:51 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:51 And I remember-

Lewis Howes 37:52 With an audition

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:53 ... yeah, like not-

Lewis Howes 37:54 Not be attached to it, like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:55 ... carrying onto it. I, I-

Lewis Howes 37:56 ... "I gotta get this role"

Carrie-Anne Moss 37:57 ... I always applied to auditions that if it was meant for me, then I would get it.

Lewis Howes 38:02 Huh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:03 That if I did the work, if I did the preparation, that if it was meant for me, not like, "I gotta get it." I never had that attitude.

Lewis Howes 38:10 Interesting.

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:10 It was, if it was meant for me, and if it was part of my journey, and if someone else got it, it was part of their journey.

Lewis Howes 38:17 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:18 And I trusted that completely and totally.

Lewis Howes 38:20 That's a great way of looking at it. 'Cause I think so many people, whether it be acting or anything, like they go after something, a pitch in business, they wanna get the gig, they wanna get the client, but it may not be the right client, you know? Just like if it's not the right job as an actor, and it may actually take away from your life if you get that client or the acting gig, right? It may-

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:38 Totally. I've-

Lewis Howes 38:39 ... or you make that sports team or whatever it is-

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:41 Absolutely

Lewis Howes 38:42 ... you get picked.

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:42 You have to trust it. How many times did I almost get a job and feel like I wanted it and it not happen, and something so-

Lewis Howes 38:51 It's done to you in the last two, right? It was like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:52 ... and something so much better happened.

Lewis Howes 38:53 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:54 Matrix included.

Lewis Howes 38:54 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:55 I would've, if I'd gotten other things that-

Lewis Howes 38:57 Higher paying

Carrie-Anne Moss 38:57 ... I thought... No, no, just things before that that seemed great. I couldn't have imagined The Matrix-

Lewis Howes 39:03 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:03 ... being in my f- I, I couldn't have seen that. But it was the right time. I was, uh, it, it was meant to be in that way. And it doesn't mean that you don't show up and do the work.

Lewis Howes 39:14 Of course.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:14 Y- there's work to be done, you know? Success is when opportunity meets preparation. I, that was one of my founding thing as an actress. My acting teacher drilled that into us. You don't just show up and think it's just gonna... You have to be prepared.

Lewis Howes 39:26 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:26 You gotta do your work. You gotta do your homework. You've gotta be growing and looking at yourself.

Lewis Howes 39:31 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:31 But I wanna also do all of that and, like, have a good life.

Lewis Howes 39:36 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:37 And not be living in insecurity and panic-

Lewis Howes 39:43 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:43 ... over all of the things I can't control. So I've wor- I've worked hard at that.

Lewis Howes 39:48 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:49 And now I look back and I don't even necessarily know, but I spent years doing that.

Lewis Howes 39:55 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:55 And now I'm reaping-

Lewis Howes 39:56 Not being aware of it, but you were, yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:57 ... no, I w- I was aware.

Lewis Howes 39:58 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 39:58 I was d- I was in it. But, like, now I don't even remember who that was that ever felt that way.

Lewis Howes 40:03 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:04 Who, who felt... I feel different things now, but-

Lewis Howes 40:08 Right. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:09 And sometimes it'll come up and I'll go, "Oh yeah, I remember that." But really, I think awareness and consciousness and having that awakening, you almost don't recognize yourself. You become new.

Lewis Howes 40:17 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:18 And you can become new in a moment by changing the way you think. So I'm doing that dance all day long, and I love it.

Lewis Howes 40:26 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:26 I love life in that way.

Lewis Howes 40:28 Yeah. When you look yourself in the mirror, how often do you look in the mirror?

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:32 Not a lot.

Lewis Howes 40:32 Not a lot?

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:33 Mm-mm.

Lewis Howes 40:33 When you look yourself in the mirror, what do you see?

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:37 Mm. Sometimes that I'm very tired. I really don't... I'm not a big mirror person.

Lewis Howes 40:44 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:45 In fact, when I did The Matrix, I had them take all the mirrors out of the, uh, the apar- the hotel room.

Lewis Howes 40:50 Oh. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:50 There was just mirrors like everywhere.

Lewis Howes 40:52 Really? You had to take them out.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:53 And it's, I, I, yeah, it wasn't really a huge deal.

Lewis Howes 40:55 Sure, sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:56 But it was like too much.

Lewis Howes 40:57 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 40:57 And I said, um, I said like, "Um, this is kinda driving me crazy. [laughs] I have to live here in this hotel room for a year."

Lewis Howes 41:06 Where, where was it filmed?

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:07 In Sydney. In-

Lewis Howes 41:09 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:09 Yeah. And I think I covered a few with like cloths and stuff like that.

Lewis Howes 41:12 Oh, wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:12 I, I'm not, I'm honestly, I would love... Part of what I love about my life, I guess, is that I don't have to think about that too much except when I'm working. And I really, even when I'm working, I have a friend who's a producer. I worked with her a few years ago, and she was like, "You really need to check your hair before you..."

Lewis Howes 41:28 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:28 You know? I was like, "I don't want to."

Lewis Howes 41:31 Who cares, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:31 I, n- I, I, I-

Lewis Howes 41:32 You're authentic, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:33 I do care-

Lewis Howes 41:33 Right, right

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:34 ... because if it's on a show or something, but like there's people that are hired to do that.

Lewis Howes 41:36 They're doing it for you.

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:37 I, I ha- I have to trust they're doing their job because I don't wanna care. I don't wanna think about it. I mean, I never-

Lewis Howes 41:44 Put that much energy into the way you look, yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:45 ... I just, I just can't. I wanna look healthy, and I want my skin to look good. I want my eyes to be vibrant. I wanna feel beautiful from the inside out.

Lewis Howes 41:55 But to fixate on it-

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:56 I, oh, I can't.

Lewis Howes 41:57 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 41:57 I just, yeah. I always, even when I was younger and auditioning all the time, I'd always just pull my hair back, and I wouldn't wear any makeup.

Lewis Howes 42:04 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:04 And that was always my, where I felt the most-

Lewis Howes 42:06 Natural beauty. I love it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:07 Thanks.

Lewis Howes 42:07 That's where it's at.

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:08 Well, that's what I felt most beautiful-

Lewis Howes 42:12 Yeah, that's the-

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:12 ... was in that place. And my brother-

Lewis Howes 42:14 I think all women are the most beautiful when they have that natural-

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:18 My brother used to say that to me when I was really young. He'd always say, "Don't wear makeup."

Lewis Howes 42:20 It's the best.

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:21 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 42:22 It's the best, yeah. So a year, so you were, the filming took a year, right? It took a year, and it was in Sydney the whole time.

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:28 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 42:28 Is that right? Um-

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:29 The first one.

Lewis Howes 42:30 The first one. What was that, like when you were in the middle of it, did you feel like you were onto something? You guys were like part of something bigger than yourselves-

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:39 Mm

Lewis Howes 42:39 ... like different than other gigs you'd done?

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:41 Oh, it was-

Lewis Howes 42:42 You're like, "This is actually going to impact people," or were you like, "Uh, who knows still?"

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:45 Yeah, I didn't know.

Lewis Howes 42:46 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:46 No. I just knew it was an ama- I knew that I was having a personal- ... exploration

Lewis Howes 42:52 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 42:52 You know, facing a lot of fears and dealing with a lot of expansiveness within myself

Lewis Howes 42:59 You had to grow a lot.

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:01 Yes.

Lewis Howes 43:01 What was the-

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:01 And I knew, I knew that was happening

Lewis Howes 43:03 What was the biggest lesson you learned during that year?

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:05 Oh.

Lewis Howes 43:05 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:07 I, what didn't I learn?

Lewis Howes 43:08 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:08 What didn't I learn? I couldn't put it into one.

Lewis Howes 43:11 Mm. Did you feel like you were worthy of that role and that ... I guess you didn't really know how big it was gonna be, but if you knew like this is gonna be the biggest movie of the decade or whatever it is, that everyone's gonna see this, did you feel like you were ready for it? Or you were worthy of it? Or you were enough for that?

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:27 Mm.

Lewis Howes 43:27 I don't know if Keanu was as big then as he-

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:30 He was

Lewis Howes 43:30 ... was he, he's pretty big

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:31 ... he was pretty huge. Yeah. You know, we had this, we all were very close, and so we spent a lot of time together. So I really-

Lewis Howes 43:39 You three are kinda like the whole cast, are you?

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:39 All of us. Yeah, the three of us, and then Hugo Weaving, and the directors, and-

Lewis Howes 43:43 You spent a lot of time together

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:44 ... the DP. Yeah, we did.

Lewis Howes 43:45 Going over the vision, going over-

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:46 No, having dinner.

Lewis Howes 43:47 Oh, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:48 Talking, having conversations, uh, training. I mean, we trained for four months here in LA before we went.

Lewis Howes 43:54 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:54 So I really, you know, I had this team of, the martial art team that taught us, who didn't speak any English-

Lewis Howes 43:59 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 43:59 ... but who were-

Lewis Howes 44:00 But they were like masters, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:01 They were masters, and they, they were supporting us completely.

Lewis Howes 44:06 Wow. Was that a couple hours a day of training, or?

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:08 It was all day every day.

Lewis Howes 44:09 Martial arts training?

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:10 Monday through Friday. Yeah, it was like the first hour was stretching, and then, you know, you, the second hour was-

Lewis Howes 44:15 Just stretching

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:15 ... kicking. And then, then learning your fight, and then I'd work out with my Pilates trainer, and then I'd do my cardio.

Lewis Howes 44:20 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:20 And I was there, we were there from like 9:00 to 3:00 or 4:00 every day. It was fun. I loved it.

Lewis Howes 44:26 That's amazing.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:26 It was great.

Lewis Howes 44:27 It's like being a pro athlete, just training all day.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:28 I love that.

Lewis Howes 44:29 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:30 I really do. I love that.

Lewis Howes 44:30 And getting paid to do it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:31 I love that.

Lewis Howes 44:32 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:32 I love training-

Lewis Howes 44:34 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:34 ... for a job. It's fun.

Lewis Howes 44:36 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:37 It's, uh, something that I, you know, it's different now, but I look back at that as just really enjoying that time in my life to have-

Lewis Howes 44:48 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:48 ... to have all that time to, to train.

Lewis Howes 44:50 Sure. That's amazing.

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:50 So, so we got to really know each other.

Lewis Howes 44:52 You didn't have kids then either, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:53 I didn't. I wasn't married, didn't know my husband even. I was-

Lewis Howes 44:56 You were full dedicated to it

Carrie-Anne Moss 44:57 ... I was turning, I think I turned 30 on the day I, on the day I screen tested. I had like a, quite a length, lengthly, lengthy screen testing process.

Lewis Howes 45:08 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:08 But like on one of the main days, I turned 30, and we wrapped it on my 31st birthday.

Lewis Howes 45:13 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:13 The first Matrix. So it was that entry into 30.

Lewis Howes 45:16 Oh my gosh. Wow, that's cool.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:16 And I did feel that, I felt a freedom in turning 30. And I remember-

Lewis Howes 45:21 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:21 ... I, I laugh now, 'cause 30 seems so young.

Lewis Howes 45:24 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:24 But I, I remember feeling like the whole world opened up to me-

Lewis Howes 45:27 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:27 ... literally on my 30th birthday. And, you know, I-

Lewis Howes 45:30 I felt that way too when I hit 30, yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:32 ... yeah.

Lewis Howes 45:32 It's interesting.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:32 I really felt that, that sh- that awakening-

Lewis Howes 45:35 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:35 ... that opening of possibility.

Lewis Howes 45:37 Mm. How long did it take, when you first heard about the role or the casting happen for this, how long did it take from the first time you heard about it till you actually got the gig?

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:46 A few weeks. Like, like-

Lewis Howes 45:48 What, not that long, huh? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:48 Well, it was, I, you know, I, like, I think I auditioned for it.

Lewis Howes 45:51 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:52 And the casting director said, "I think I'm gonna bring you back." And I thought, "Really? Okay."

Lewis Howes 45:56 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:57 Like I just didn't in a million years think.

Lewis Howes 45:59 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 45:59 It's hard to get in there. So then I had-

Lewis Howes 46:01 Isn't it funny that the casting director pretty much has all the power, right? Is it that person's vision, or is it, was the director there also?

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:07 She was a, she was, her name's Mali Finn. She's no longer alive, and she was a really amazing casting director. And she had a vision, and she knew them and knew what they wanted.

Lewis Howes 46:18 Gotcha.

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:19 So she brought, you know, she's bringing me to them, and bringing all the other women that wanted it too.

Lewis Howes 46:24 Gotcha, gotcha.

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:24 And, and so sh- so I, then I met with them, with the directors, and auditioned for them. And then you wait.

Lewis Howes 46:33 That's the worst, right? [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:34 And you wonder. It was okay. I didn't, every, every part of it I felt so grateful that I got to do it another day. I remember my agent at the time saying that I may screen test, and I screamed. [laughs] And he said, "Well, don't get too excited." And I said, "Oh no, I'm gonna get really excited." And I remember in that moment thinking he won't be my agent much longer.

Lewis Howes 46:55 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:56 'Cause I didn't like that.

Lewis Howes 46:57 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 46:57 "Don't get too excited."

Lewis Howes 46:59 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:00 I was like, and I, and he was, he, he was a great guy and all of that, but I remember in the moment thinking, uh, "If I don't celebrate this, what the heck am I gonna celebrate?"

Lewis Howes 47:10 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:10 Whether or not I get this or not, this is the closest I ... I, this is like the biggest audition I've ever had in my life-

Lewis Howes 47:15 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:15 ... that I'm actually possibly screen testing for a Warner Brothers movie.

Lewis Howes 47:20 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:20 And I really didn't think I would get it, but I trusted that if it was meant to be that I would get it.

Lewis Howes 47:28 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:28 And that's what I ... And it, then when I finished the screen testing process, which was many days, I had to do a fighting audition. And-

Lewis Howes 47:35 And you weren't trained at this time-

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:36 No

Lewis Howes 47:36 ... in like martial arts.

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:37 No.

Lewis Howes 47:37 You just had to fake it. You're like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:38 Well, I'd done Billy Blanks'aerobics classes.

Lewis Howes 47:40 [laughs] So you had like s-

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:41 Yeah

Lewis Howes 47:41 ... some kickboxing. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 47:42 Well, and, and, and the, the director said that what they loved about my audition video of my fighting was that they, that there'd be like these cuts, and every time that they would come back that the martial artist team that I was fighting were patting themselves up because I was actually making contact. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 48:00 Oh man, that's funny.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:01 And that, you know, uh, I didn't know not how, not to make contact.

Lewis Howes 48:07 Not to, yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:07 But the fact that I wasn't afraid to make contact was something that they-

Lewis Howes 48:11 You were going all in

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:11 ... something that they noticed.

Lewis Howes 48:12 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:13 And so when they, when that whole process is, was done of auditioning, 'cause then I had to audition with Keanu, and I had to d- screen test and all that. Then I-

Lewis Howes 48:22 'Cause he was already chosen.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:23 Yeah. And then I had to wait. Then I waited. They had like a week to tell me, and on the Friday that they were gonna tell me they asked for another week. And-

Lewis Howes 48:33 Oh, that's the worst

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:33 ... from what I understood, nobody wanted me except the directors.

Lewis Howes 48:36 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:37 No.

Lewis Howes 48:37 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:39 And, and I just went about my life. And by the time I got the phone call the following Friday, I pretty much thought it probably wasn't gonna happen.

Lewis Howes 48:46 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:47 And my team told me that I got that.

Lewis Howes 48:50 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:50 I can almost remember it like it was yesterday. I think I, like, fell to my knees and cried-

Lewis Howes 48:56 Oh my gosh

Carrie-Anne Moss 48:56 ... and got instantly sick. I instantly got sick, like got a sore throat, like-

Lewis Howes 48:59 Like nauseous or just like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:00 No, like I think I was h- it was so... I was holding so much that I didn't even know I was holding.

Lewis Howes 49:05 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:06 And, you know, called my mom, called my best friends, and, and just was in it.

Lewis Howes 49:14 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:15 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 49:16 Oh my gosh. What-

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:16 It's exciting.

Lewis Howes 49:17 That's incredible. You know, it's interesting, a few things I'm picking up as you said these things, is that your agent told you or your manager told you not to get excited. And when are we supposed to get excited? When the thing happens? When we achieve the dream? So are we not supposed to get excited along the journey, along the-

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:36 You have to

Lewis Howes 49:36 ... ups and downs, right? So-

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:38 You have to

Lewis Howes 49:39 ... it's like we, we gotta... You know, I, I love this book I was just talking about this the other day, The Alchemist. I don't know if you've read it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:43 Yes.

Lewis Howes 49:43 But it's all about the journey, you know. It's very simple that we forget sometimes. And sometimes I get so focused on, like, the launch of my book or whatever the product or the launch of the movie, but the day and day, like, work is what we should be celebrating, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 49:57 That's what... Yeah. That's what I'm really-

Lewis Howes 49:59 Like the little things each day.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:01 Absolutely. Your h- your life.

Lewis Howes 50:03 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:03 The way you live your life. It's-

Lewis Howes 50:04 That we're alive today.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:06 Yeah. It's pretty amazing.

Lewis Howes 50:09 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:09 And I think one of the things I've been thinking a lot about, you know, I create this content for my, when I'm, when I'm teaching here on- online with the Fierce Grace Collective, is I teach these different ideas. And I, I th- sort of thought about the summer this summer and I thought, "Okay, I've got next month's done and-"

Lewis Howes 50:25 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:25 ... "maybe I'll do the next couple months. Like I'll just really get in there."

Lewis Howes 50:28 Gotcha. Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:28 But then I, I thought, "No, I'm, I'm living my life and sharing the process."

Lewis Howes 50:34 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:35 And so there, I actually can't apply that model of business to what I'm doing-

Lewis Howes 50:39 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:39 ... because it would put me into my in- into here. And what I'm really trying to share is simple ways to live your life from the inside out. And so I, I'm doing that in order-

Lewis Howes 50:50 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 50:50 ... to create it. So sometimes it's hard because I have to look at my vacation schedule and my children are going to this and doing that and all of that. But, but I, I was thinking about this today about some of the women that are part of the collective that I have and, you know, we have like a comment section and how sometimes that can be so distracting and how I really, I think that it's, I wanna take the tools that I'm sharing and that I'm living and put them into my life, not stay in my head with them.

Lewis Howes 51:21 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 51:22 Like go out and live them.

Lewis Howes 51:23 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 51:24 And be-

Lewis Howes 51:25 Apply it

Carrie-Anne Moss 51:25 ... living it and be an example of that, not just the idea of that. I remember always thinking, like, people would be teaching something, but they wouldn't necessarily... You knew they weren't living their life that way, and it never really... I didn't ever liked that if I ever caught a glimpse of that. And yet somebody told me once that you don't have to be great at something to actually teach it. Some of the best acting teachers might not be the best actors.

Lewis Howes 51:49 Uh-huh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 51:50 Some of the best relationship thera- therapists might not be able to actually have great relationships.

Lewis Howes 51:54 Be in a relationship. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 51:55 I mean, you know. But for me, I'm not doing this to be, like, an idea of somebody. I'm really wanna like reach my hand out and give women who may never have access to this kind of information-

Lewis Howes 52:12 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:12 ... because of where they live or their family structure, these simple tools to elevate their lives.

Lewis Howes 52:19 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:20 Because I'm so darn grateful that I was led to come to this city-

Lewis Howes 52:28 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:28 ... and that because of how difficult what I do for work is, that I had to dig so deep to have a rich, beautiful life.

Lewis Howes 52:37 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:37 Because the alternative was not acceptable to me.

Lewis Howes 52:40 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:40 The alternative of, of being competitive in the face of envy or all that kind of thinking or not feeling good about myself or beating myself up or being full of anxiety and stress-

Lewis Howes 52:57 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 52:57 ... and all that stuff, that's not an option for me. So I'm so incredibly grateful, and so I'm really passing it forward and-

Lewis Howes 53:03 Mm

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:03 ... wanting to give that, so.

Lewis Howes 53:04 What's the program again? Where can people get it?

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:06 Well, it's called Fierce Grace Collective, is one of the things I offer. It's, um, an- Annapurna Living has lots of... Is my website and has lots of-

Lewis Howes 53:13 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:13 ... just storytelling. I like to tell stories, and I have other people that also write for it too that are sharing stories just about living your life from the inside out and-

Lewis Howes 53:21 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:21 ... living in a simple way that feels nourishing to yourself. And I think one of the big things, MythBusters, and we all know this, but it's like important to remember that nobody else has got it figured out. Nobody else has got a better life.

Lewis Howes 53:35 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:35 Nobody else is, just 'cause they might have the nice house and the nice car and the perfect family, y- and don't judge your insides by other people's outsides.

Lewis Howes 53:45 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 53:45 It's what I've lived by my whole life. I remember being a kid, we lived in an apartment in a co-op in Granville Island, my mom and I, and I went to a school where everyone was very wealthy and I commuted there for the drama and the music. And I never felt, like, ashamed of, like, where I came from. Like, I always felt super proud of my apartment and my friends lived in beautiful mansions and, you know, I, I remember that, but I never felt-

Lewis Howes 54:10 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 54:10 ... less than because of that. And I, so much of the world is built to make you feel less than if you don't have the things that you, that you, you know, you can buy.

Lewis Howes 54:21 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 54:21 Which is all, as we know, manipulating us through media to buy and want and want to be into that system that we all-

Lewis Howes 54:28 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 54:28 ... don't wanna do anymore and I don't want my kids to do it and I don't want my kids to feel like they have to do it. And-

Lewis Howes 54:34 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 54:35 ... it's like waking up to your life, waking up to the truth of the life you have right in front of you and how can you connect better to it and deeper to it and in a way that is nourishing.

Lewis Howes 54:48 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 54:48 And isn't waiting until the new job, the guy, the k- kids because you're gonna get those things and still feel the same ache.

Lewis Howes 54:55 Yeah. I mean, you're talking, I mean, not to be that cliche here, but you're talking about The Matrix. You know what I mean?

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:01 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 55:01 It's like when people are like they're stuck in this way of being-

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:03 Right

Lewis Howes 55:03 ... that they need something to, to feel a certain way. And what do you think is the biggest challenge today for people staying stuck in this energy? Is it the media? Is it smartphones today? 'Cause we didn't have that back in-

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:17 Yeah

Lewis Howes 55:17 ... you know, 1999, I got my first cellphone, actually. That's when The Matrix came out-

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:21 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 55:21 ... but it wasn't really a thing then, but now people are connected to it nonstop. Um, what is, you know, what's holding us back the most? How can we break free of these things?

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:31 It's very tricky. I think technology, I have a love-hate relationship with technology.

Lewis Howes 55:36 Right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:36 I do. I think that-

Lewis Howes 55:36 It helps you get your message out there-

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:38 Love it

Lewis Howes 55:38 ... it helps you connect with your wom- you know, women

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:40 There's so much good- so much goodness in it, and yet it's so addictive.

Lewis Howes 55:42 So addictive.

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:43 It's so addictive. I am so-

Lewis Howes 55:44 Are you on Snapchat?

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:46 No.

Lewis Howes 55:46 Okay, don't get on it. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:47 No. I wouldn't even know how to-

Lewis Howes 55:49 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:49 I probably need to know it, though, because-

Lewis Howes 55:50 Yeah, yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:50 ... my children are growing up in this.

Lewis Howes 55:52 Sure, they're probably on it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:53 Uh, [laughs]

Lewis Howes 55:54 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:55 Let's not go there. That's another... I'm, I think technology is tricky.

Lewis Howes 55:59 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 55:59 And I think we, we have this ability to have, to... There's so many great things about it, but-

Lewis Howes 56:06 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 56:06 ... but really having parameters. I think, I think it's massive addiction that we're dealing with. We're an addicted society to so many different things.

Lewis Howes 56:14 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 56:14 And I think that, that what we're looking for, what are we looking for on our phones when we're going through Instagram, checking out this person's thing, and then going down the rabbit hole to their, to their, to their... We're looking for connection. We're looking for inspiration. We're looking for, I think, connection. And so again, if we can be connected to ourselves in a, in a way that's deeply meaningful to us, that's personal, then we might notice when we're doing that and say, "Oh, wow, I must," you know, "Oh, gosh, I'm really feeling like I could spend hours doing this." What am I not taking care of right now?

Lewis Howes 56:52 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 56:53 What do I need? What's that telling me? Because it's a cycle of... It, it's a slippery slope.

Lewis Howes 57:00 Yeah. And you think the best way to figure out what we need is to, to meditate and to-

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:04 To connect to ourselves

Lewis Howes 57:05 ... to connect to ourselves. And you think meditation's a good channel for that?

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:08 I, I do.

Lewis Howes 57:09 Yes.

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:09 I do.

Lewis Howes 57:09 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:09 I think that when we can spend m- time connecting to ourselves away from the ego, because the ego's important, right? The ego, there's, there's-

Lewis Howes 57:18 Drives us

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:18 ... there's lots of good things.

Lewis Howes 57:19 Right. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:19 But when we are, when we think that the ego is who we are, and we start making our decisions based on our ego-

Lewis Howes 57:26 Then we're screwed

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:26 ... we're in pain.

Lewis Howes 57:27 We're screwed.

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:28 We're in pain, so you have-

Lewis Howes 57:28 Defensive or angry or resentful.

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:30 Yeah, that's right. So we have-

Lewis Howes 57:31 Not enough, right

Carrie-Anne Moss 57:32 ... we have to have a glimpse of the truth of our soul, that, that place. We have to have a glimpse of it. If we don't have a glimpse of it, we don't know. And so, and the more that I meditate, the more I... the easier it is for me to get into that energetic space. And then I, I just think that life flows in a, in a way that I'm enjoying so much more. I know the difference when I don't meditate versus when I do.

Lewis Howes 58:03 Yeah. Me too. I, I use Headspace right now. I've done different types of meditation, but I don't know if you've heard of Headspace.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:08 I haven't.

Lewis Howes 58:08 It's an app on your phone.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:09 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 58:09 It's, the unfortunate thing is you have to have it next to your bed when you're... or wherever you're at meditating, but it's just 10-minute meditations.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:15 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 58:15 They have shorter ones too.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:15 Somebody leads it through, lead you through it.

Lewis Howes 58:16 Guided meditations. I like that.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:18 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 58:18 Just keeps it, keeps me on track, you know. Don't have to, like, do it myself. I just kind of relax and just go into it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:24 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 58:25 Um, but that's cool. Um, I feel like I could talk to you for another couple hours, but I wanna-

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:29 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 58:30 ... I wanna be, uh, conscious of our time, and I wanna ask a few more questions-

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:33 Okay

Lewis Howes 58:33 ... if that's okay with you.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:34 Sure.

Lewis Howes 58:35 Um, what's something you've done maybe that a lot of people don't know about that you're really proud of?

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:41 Hmm.

Lewis Howes 58:42 Maybe something smaller or something that you haven't really announced to the world, or not a big movie, or something that you've just done. Maybe it's a role. Maybe it's a way you've given back-

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:52 Hmm

Lewis Howes 58:52 ... the work you're in, the people around.

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:54 Well, I'm real passionate about midwi- midwifery and midwives because I had-

Lewis Howes 58:58 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 58:58 ... all my babies with midwives.

Lewis Howes 59:00 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 59:00 And so I'm a pretty passionate birth advocate, and at the same time, I'm passionate about women not feeling like... See, see, this is interesting because there's this whole natural birth movement happening-

Lewis Howes 59:14 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 59:14 ... or there has been for quite a few years with Ricki Lake. She made that great documentary. But what happens is that women start to beat themselves up if they don't have the perfect birth or they don't have the perfect natural birth, or they had to-

Lewis Howes 59:24 They took the drugs or they-

Carrie-Anne Moss 59:24 Or they had to... Yeah, there's, it... So we continually perpetuate the reason why we wanted to do it or why we feel this inclination. It continues to be sabotaged by the same thinking that took us away from it.

Lewis Howes 59:37 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 59:38 And so I'm very passionate about families and mothering and advocating for women to know what they want, and to understand their journey into becoming a mother is uniquely theirs and is something that they can't control. One of the things I talk a lot about with my friends who are having babies, and you know, I'm out of that now 'cause most of my friends, we've all had our kids.

Lewis Howes 1:00:08 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:08 But is that it's actually your baby's birth.

Lewis Howes 1:00:11 It's not your birth.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:12 It's actually your baby's birth.

Lewis Howes 1:00:14 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:14 And even though you're... I mean, I, I gave birth three times.

Lewis Howes 1:00:16 Facilitating it, right?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:17 I gave birth three times. I t- I could do it 10 million more times.

Lewis Howes 1:00:21 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:21 I never felt more, more empowered, more in tune with my soul, with myself. I had two of my babies at home.

Lewis Howes 1:00:28 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:28 I, I believe in the power of birth. I believe in a woman's body to give birth. I believe in all of that, and sometimes it doesn't go well.

Lewis Howes 1:00:36 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:36 And sometimes things happen, and so I wish that there was more of a space of that kind of healing for women that, that are disappointed with their births, uh-

Lewis Howes 1:00:44 Mm-hmm. Well-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:45 ... because it's your entry into being a mama, and-

Lewis Howes 1:00:48 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:48 ... and so I'm pretty passionate about that conversation. Uh, what else? Yeah, so that's something that maybe people don't know about me or-

Lewis Howes 1:00:57 That's cool

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:00:57 ... I don't know.

Lewis Howes 1:00:57 And you write about this on, uh, how do I say it? Ana-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:00 Annapurna

Lewis Howes 1:01:00 ... purna. Annapurna.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:01 Annapurna, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:01:02 .com.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:02 I, I-

Lewis Howes 1:01:02 We'll have it all linked up.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:03 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:01:03 All the stuff we've talked about linked up here.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:04 Yeah, I don't know if I even... I don't even know if I've talked that much about that on-

Lewis Howes 1:01:07 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:07 ... on there. Where I talk about it is actually in the world.

Lewis Howes 1:01:11 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:11 Meeting somebody I don't even know, who within 10 minutes is crying over a C-section that they feel guilty about.

Lewis Howes 1:01:17 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:18 Or feel like they failed or something, and-

Lewis Howes 1:01:21 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:21 ... or someone who lost a baby. And I, I'm... It's really not something that I actually, that Annapurna is all that much about, but-

Lewis Howes 1:01:31 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:31 ... I move through my life in a way that I'm open to having that conversation with-

Lewis Howes 1:01:35 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:35 ... with women. And sometimes it's a conversation that women have never had, or about miscarriages and, and the, the sadness that a lot of women have around-

Lewis Howes 1:01:49 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:49 ... their birth experiences.

Lewis Howes 1:01:50 Sure. If this was a, a vision board right here, and you got to put a few things on it right now for what you see for the rest of your life, you already had an incredible career.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:01:59 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:01:59 You've got, you know, great kids, marriage, you've done so many good things in the world so far. Um, but again, if this was your board and you were creating it right now, what would be just a few things that you'd wanna put on there?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:12 Hmm. Oh, something I saw on Instagram yesterday.

Lewis Howes 1:02:14 Oh, wow. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:15 [laughs] I was showing my daughter yesterday. My daughter's very crafty. She's very creative. She is so divinely creative, it just blows my mind.

Lewis Howes 1:02:25 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:25 And she was making this thing, and it just was gorgeous. Uh, okay, what would it be? Um-

Lewis Howes 1:02:31 Your v- your vision right now for the rest of your-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:32 My vision-

Lewis Howes 1:02:32 ... your life

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:33 ... for the rest of my life. Oh, I wouldn't do that.

Lewis Howes 1:02:34 Oh, okay.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:35 I don't-

Lewis Howes 1:02:35 For the next five years.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:36 Nah, I wouldn't do that either.

Lewis Howes 1:02:37 No?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:37 No, I'd do it for right now.

Lewis Howes 1:02:38 Okay, what's your vision?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:39 'Cause I b- I wanna be so out of my mind, out of the mi- the construct of my mind-

Lewis Howes 1:02:46 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:46 ... to create my vision. And that, for me, is about staying current to who I am-

Lewis Howes 1:02:51 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:51 ... which changes all the time.

Lewis Howes 1:02:52 That's true.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:53 So literally-

Lewis Howes 1:02:54 That's true

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:54 ... I-

Lewis Howes 1:02:54 You, you could be a different person in six months

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:02:55 ... well, one of the things that I do a lot on Annapurna Living, and one of the things people might not know about me too, is that I, I share a lot about the moon and the cycles of the moon, and, and like understanding-

Lewis Howes 1:03:06 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:06 ... that there's a cycle to things that-

Lewis Howes 1:03:10 Wow

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:10 ... that there's a cycle to life. And so one of the things that I've been doing this year that I love is I have like a simple altars. I have them all over my house. Super simple, nothing fancy, no gold Buddhas or anything like that. Sometimes they're a flower and a plant, or a picture that one of my children did, uh, drew for me, or a picture of myself at a certain time in my life, or an award that I've won or whatever.

Lewis Howes 1:03:30 Uh-huh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:30 And I, on the new moon, I change them because-

Lewis Howes 1:03:34 Oh

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:34 ... and I change my wishes. Because if I'm really current with my soul, then the dre- the, the wish and the dream I had a month ago might not be the same. So I-

Lewis Howes 1:03:45 Could it still be the same?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:46 It could be.

Lewis Howes 1:03:47 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:47 But I, I find that the more in tune that I am with that, that it's, it's a kind of a mental construct.

Lewis Howes 1:03:53 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:53 And, and probably more a male way of thinking-

Lewis Howes 1:03:55 Oh, it is

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:55 ... actually. You know? The having a very kind of-

Lewis Howes 1:03:58 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:03:58 ... compartmentalized sort of-

Lewis Howes 1:03:59 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:00 You know, for women, we're very creative. We're, we have the potential to have 15 children.

Lewis Howes 1:04:05 [laughs] That's crazy.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:06 And most of us, most of us never do-

Lewis Howes 1:04:08 Right

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:08 ... but we have that-

Lewis Howes 1:04:08 The potential

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:09 ... potential. So whether or not a-

Lewis Howes 1:04:10 It's amazing

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:10 ... whether or not a woman has had a baby or not, she's in- infinitely creative.

Lewis Howes 1:04:14 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:14 You know, we can have a baby on our hip and be making a meal, and-

Lewis Howes 1:04:17 On the phone and yeah. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:18 ... and/or on the phone, organizing this over here, tending to somebody's sore knee. You know, answering a business call. I mean, we can do that.

Lewis Howes 1:04:27 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:04:27 We have that infinite creativity. So my board today would have wood, it would have a sheepskin on it, it would have white curtains. And this is what I'm living right now. I put my grandmother's curtains in my window, her lace curtains, in all my windows just the other day, and it makes me so incredibly happy to see them. And they've been sitting in my closet that I got handed down from my great-grandmother, my grandmother. But literally, that's what my dream board would be. It would be about this, this feeling of... It's not a car that I want. I don't... There's no car that I want.

Lewis Howes 1:05:04 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:04 Um, it's about a sense of feeling in the world that, that feels rustic and authentic and natural-

Lewis Howes 1:05:11 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:12 ... and happens to have green, and happens to have this energy around. But there's nothing that I... I don't want a pair of shoes.

Lewis Howes 1:05:20 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:20 I don't want a new dress. I really don't. And that's not to say that I might not see something and go, "Oh, wow, I really want that."

Lewis Howes 1:05:26 Right. Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:27 I'm not a purist in any way.

Lewis Howes 1:05:29 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:30 But my dreams aren't about that. My dreams are about feeling connected to my children, truly connected to them. And I'm not always, at all. I... And I know when I'm not, when I'm in my mind of how it should be and how they should be. I wanna, I wanna live a life that feels like it's living and breathing and changing.

Lewis Howes 1:05:52 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:52 And so that when my children are changing, I notice.

Lewis Howes 1:05:56 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:05:57 And that I'm showing up in a way that I love, and not a nag, and not trying to control and judge.

Lewis Howes 1:06:04 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:04 I, I, I can be controlling-

Lewis Howes 1:06:07 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:07 ... judgmental.

Lewis Howes 1:06:09 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:09 In my mind, that's reality for me.

Lewis Howes 1:06:12 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:12 And I go in and out it, in and out of it all day. And so really, my dream board would be that I, I would love... I, I could see telling a story. I have a story that I wanna tell, and I see it in a, in, in-

Lewis Howes 1:06:25 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:25 ... in some kind of, you know, film medium, and I can see the actors that I'd want in it to p-

Lewis Howes 1:06:30 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:30 ... be part of that. So that's ruminating, and then I have to actually put the legwork into making that happen.

Lewis Howes 1:06:36 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:36 And I trust that I will. And it's not a grind, and I'm not putting that on myself. But I wanna move gracefully through my life-

Lewis Howes 1:06:46 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:46 ... and enjoy it, and enjoy it all, and be present to it.

Lewis Howes 1:06:50 Sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:50 And when I'm not, to remi- to, to have people around me to remind me, or to check in with myself and remind myself.

Lewis Howes 1:06:56 That's cool. I like it. I like that vision.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:59 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:06:59 That's great.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:06:59 Okay, good. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:07:00 Um- Since you don't go to the mirror that much, but when you are there, if you had to... Do you have any tattoos on your body?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:07 I do.

Lewis Howes 1:07:08 You do?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:08 Yep.

Lewis Howes 1:07:09 If you had to put one on your forehead that was a word or a saying that was in reverse, that when you looked in the mirror, you, only you could read it, you could see it then, what would the word or saying be?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:21 Well, I, I re- I'm remembering when I was younger, I had next to my mirror, "I am perfect with my imperfections."

Lewis Howes 1:07:27 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:27 That was something that, as an actress coming into my career, that that was my mantra in the mirror. So I did have a saying next to my mirror.

Lewis Howes 1:07:36 That was it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:36 Um, what would it be on my forehead? "Keep on keeping up." There's all these sayings in Kundalini yoga, and one of them is, "Keep on keeping up." Another one is, "When the pressure's on, start, and the pressure will be off."

Lewis Howes 1:07:50 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:07:50 You know, "Vibrate the cosmos and the cosmos shall clear the way." Like, create that vibration in your life and your life will just unfold in that way. Um, um, "Recognize the other person is you." These are all Kundalini yoga sutras for this age that we're living in. These are these little tools, these little ideas, and, you know, recognize the other person is you. Like, that person you wanna judge-

Lewis Howes 1:08:13 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:14 ... where am I like that?

Lewis Howes 1:08:15 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:15 Where am I like that?

Lewis Howes 1:08:16 How does that show up in my life? Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:17 How does that show up in my life? So I definitely have a lot of tools that I have in my tool belt that I'm constantly leaning on.

Lewis Howes 1:08:26 Hmm. That's cool.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:27 And, um, so probably it would be keep on keeping up, because sometimes I feel weary, like tired and like-

Lewis Howes 1:08:35 Overwhelmed and-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:36 Well, yeah, I don't like the word overwhelmed. I don't use it.

Lewis Howes 1:08:38 Okay.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:39 I choose not to use that word.

Lewis Howes 1:08:40 We'll edit that out. No, I'm just kidding. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:41 No, it's okay. But I really, it's like a word that when I start to want to say it-

Lewis Howes 1:08:46 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:46 ... not a big fan of that word. Uh, I, I have a kind of-

Lewis Howes 1:08:49 Well, it's not a good feeling

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:49 ... I have a fierceness around feeling victim, being a victim.

Lewis Howes 1:08:53 Oh, that's good.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:08:54 And so I don't like, as soon as I... It's not that I deny that I'll feel, have a moment of feeling like, "Oh, I can't believe they did that to me," but nobody can make me feel any way.

Lewis Howes 1:09:01 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:02 So I turn that around. I'm, I turn things around.

Lewis Howes 1:09:04 It's a choice. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:05 Yeah. So I, uh, yeah, keep on keeping up. Yeah, sometimes I just feel like, "Ugh." So what do I do? I run the bath.

Lewis Howes 1:09:16 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:16 I throw in three scoops of Epsom salts. Now I throw in a cup of coconut oil.

Lewis Howes 1:09:21 Ooh.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:21 And I get in the bath, and even if it's for 10 minutes, and I look at a magazine that I may have gotten or a book or just something inspiring that I have.

Lewis Howes 1:09:30 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:30 And I just, that 10 minutes, and I, I give that to myself-

Lewis Howes 1:09:35 Yeah, that's good

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:35 ... a lot. I give that to myself a lot, sometimes twice a day if I have to. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:09:38 Really?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:38 You know? Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:09:39 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:39 I do.

Lewis Howes 1:09:39 That's cool. [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:40 I do. It's my like, it's my getaway.

Lewis Howes 1:09:43 Sure. What are you most grateful for in your life recently?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:09:48 Oh my gosh, my marriage, my partnership, my family. My husband and I have been married for almost 18 years, and I feel like, I feel like we're still growing-

Lewis Howes 1:10:03 Hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:10:03 ... in this way that is so exciting and turns me on and, like, makes me so excited to be with him and be his partner and, and it's imperfect. And, and I'm so grateful that we've gone through that, all of that, to be here and to continually grow and change and-

Lewis Howes 1:10:27 Is he in the entertainment world or-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:10:28 Yeah, he's a writer and an actor and an amazing guy and an amazing dad and, and we disagree on tons of stuff and-

Lewis Howes 1:10:37 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:10:37 ... you know, it's like I always thought, like, these people had these marriages that were, like, super perfect or that I saw and I, I remember thinking, "Oh wow, I really love what that person has," when I was younger. Then you'd find out that there were all these things that were happening that they weren't-

Lewis Howes 1:10:53 Showing or telling

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:10:54 ... showing or telling.

Lewis Howes 1:10:55 Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:10:56 And so I'm, I love having like... You know, my husband is amazing and he's so straight and, like, straight up with the, with the information with me. He'll just look at me and go, "You're spinning. You need to stop."

Lewis Howes 1:11:10 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:11 That's... And, and, and be ab- I, I, and I hear him.

Lewis Howes 1:11:14 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:14 I'm open to hearing him, and that's extraordinary to have someone on your team that can really see who you are and that when you are struggling, for me, that I can... Sometimes I'm not open at all. I'm just like, "Oh my God."

Lewis Howes 1:11:33 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:34 "I hate you." You know? I'm not listening to that.

Lewis Howes 1:11:36 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:37 But I come ar- but I... Then it's like there's a certain way he communicates with me that I, I can see that and it-

Lewis Howes 1:11:44 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:44 ... and I do the same for him.

Lewis Howes 1:11:46 That's cool.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:46 Yeah, so I'm pretty grateful about that right now and, and definitely grateful for my career too.

Lewis Howes 1:11:52 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:52 Right now having this resurgence right now of working a lot, 'cause I took a lot of time to raise my children.

Lewis Howes 1:11:56 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:56 So it's exciting to feel creative and-

Lewis Howes 1:11:58 That's cool.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:11:59 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:12:00 That's cool. Couple of final questions. Um, and before I ask the last couple questions, where do you like to connect most online? Twitter, Instagram, where do you, where can people connect and reach out with you or find you?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:14 Yeah, I don't, I, I mean, I, I have some different things that, for Annapurna Living that we have Twitter and we have Facebook, but I actually don't really interact with that all that much.

Lewis Howes 1:12:24 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:24 Uh, Instagram I do.

Lewis Howes 1:12:25 Personally you do, yep.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:26 I do.

Lewis Howes 1:12:26 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:27 I don't often comment and get into all that-

Lewis Howes 1:12:29 Sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:29 ... just because it's, it's sort of a, I don't want to, uh, I don't wanna leak my energy either there.

Lewis Howes 1:12:38 Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:38 And but I definitely see things and, and part of that-

Lewis Howes 1:12:42 Sure, sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:42 ... you know, we hashtag within my group of things. I'm, I'm checking out people's altars that they've made-

Lewis Howes 1:12:48 Sure, sure

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:48 ... or their children meditating or-

Lewis Howes 1:12:49 That's cool

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:50 ... their special space that they bring whatever to.

Lewis Howes 1:12:52 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:12:52 But, uh, yeah. And then I have, you know, I have this Fierce Grace Collective that is this group that I, I'm putting a lot of energy into and, and share and, and part of that.

Lewis Howes 1:13:02 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:02 I do live calls with them-

Lewis Howes 1:13:04 Yep

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:04 ... once a month and-

Lewis Howes 1:13:05 That's for, that's for mothers mostly? What-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:07 The mo- no, the mother one is called Mother.

Lewis Howes 1:13:09 Mother. Okay.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:09 And it's, yeah, it's different. Uh, but both of those I'm, I'm interacting in their- I have to be mindful of my energy, as you know.

Lewis Howes 1:13:18 Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:18 'Cause we can just give... I could be up all night every night writing content and I, and sometimes I do. There's certain times when I feel really creative like that-

Lewis Howes 1:13:26 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:26 ... and I honor that, and I get up and I do it. But in general, I'm, I'm finding the balance and finding... This is all new to me.

Lewis Howes 1:13:33 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:33 I created this a couple years ago, and it's been incredibly exciting for me to find this, uh, you know, that I can... Creating all the content that I'm creating, but also just not burning myself out so that I don't wanna do it anymore.

Lewis Howes 1:13:45 Right. Yeah, that's cool.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:13:47 Um, we'll have it all linked up, everything we talked about, on the, uh, the show notes. Um, okay. This is a question I ask at the end for everyone.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:54 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:13:55 It's called the three truths.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:13:56 Okay.

Lewis Howes 1:13:57 So, it's many years from now for you, and, uh, it's gonna be your last day. And you know it's your last day, everyone's there. You've had... Everything you've wanted to achieve has happened. Everything you wanted to create, you've created. But for some reason, all the movies you've done, all the articles you've written, have been erased. And so there's nothing to remember you by physically that people can watch or read. And, um, someone in your family says, "Can you write down... Here's a piece of paper and a pen. Can you write down your three truths, three things you know to be true from everything you've experienced and learned in the world, from acting, motherhood, marriage, whatever it may be, um, that you think would be the three things if you were to pass three things on for us as lessons, what would those things be?"

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:14:41 Hmm. Love is everything.

Lewis Howes 1:14:43 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:14:46 Be in your life. Don't look outside of yourself for validation and love. And I have to say, when I, when my kids were little-

Lewis Howes 1:15:01 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:02 ... and I was at the height of my career and I would get offered something, I would look at my kids and I'd think, "At the end of my life, will I care that I have another movie on my resume, or will I care that I helped my babies?" And I always chose holding my babies. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:15:18 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:18 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:15:19 That's cool. Hmm. Well, before I ask the final question-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:23 Yeah. Yeah, see, it's got me teary there.

Lewis Howes 1:15:25 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:26 Just seems like yesterday, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:15:27 Wow.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:27 Thinking of them so little, and now they're so big, so it just goes by so quick.

Lewis Howes 1:15:31 I can imagine. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:32 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:15:33 I mean, my mom had four of us.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:34 Wow.

Lewis Howes 1:15:35 And she still calls me her baby, and I'm 33, and I'm like, "Mom."

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:38 Totally.

Lewis Howes 1:15:38 You know, I'd like... I wanna tell her, like, "Mom, come on."

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:40 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:15:41 You know what I mean? But at the same time, it's like, it probably went by so fast for her.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:44 It does.

Lewis Howes 1:15:44 You know?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:45 And you know-

Lewis Howes 1:15:45 And I just remember being in high school, and I'm like, "How did the last 15 years go by?" Like-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:48 I know. When you're really little, it goes by so slow.

Lewis Howes 1:15:50 So slow. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:15:51 And, and then all of a sudden it just goes by so quickly, and you think... I, I remember people would always say, "You better appreciate, you know, your kids are gonna grow up." It... People tell you that, and it used to drive me crazy because I was-

Lewis Howes 1:16:00 And that's true

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:01 ... well, I was so present. And I, I was there.

Lewis Howes 1:16:03 Mm-hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:03 I don't have regret in there.

Lewis Howes 1:16:05 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:05 But it has gone by real quick, and I don't think anyone could prepare you. I don't know if you'd do it if you knew that.

Lewis Howes 1:16:10 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:11 If you really had y- that your tiny little baby could be... And it's so great that they're getting bigger, and changes. You got, you know, now we're going to movies-

Lewis Howes 1:16:20 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:20 ... and doing all that stuff. That-

Lewis Howes 1:16:21 Right, right, right. Different dynamic now, right? Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:22 Yeah, it's great. It's awesome. But-

Lewis Howes 1:16:23 That's cool

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:23 ... but those, those beginning, those y- those...

Lewis Howes 1:16:26 Hmm. Hmm. Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:28 Goes by quick.

Lewis Howes 1:16:29 Well, before I ask the final question-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:30 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:16:30 ... Carrie-Anne, I wanna acknowledge you.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:16:32 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:16:32 Uh, I wanna acknowledge you for a lot of things, but I'm gonna keep it short. I wanna acknowledge you for your fierceness in going after your dreams, because I'm a big believer that our dreams are what matters the most. And I think it's so inspiring to know that you went for it. And not only did you go for it, but you have created such incredible work in your creativity to inspire so many people. I mean, you are literally a catalyst for so many people, especially just with The Matrix alone, you know, what it did for people. And I don't think anyone else could have done what you did. So your courage to step up to the challenge, you know, in that situation, which was probably foreign to you, and really lay your heart on the table that entire time, is, like, such a gift to the world and, uh, such a catalyst for so many people. So I wanna acknowledge you for-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:24 Thank you

Lewis Howes 1:17:24 ... really your, your courage, your fierceness, your feminine grace as well, to be able to stand in the messiness and continue doing it all with the kids, with the marriage, with the career, and just be an example, a symbol for what's possible for so many women, so-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:39 Thank you

Lewis Howes 1:17:39 ... I acknowledge you for that.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:40 Appreciate that.

Lewis Howes 1:17:40 Yeah, yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:41 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 1:17:42 Uh, the final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:45 What is my definition of greatness? Hmm. Huh.

Lewis Howes 1:17:56 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:17:57 Definition of greatness. That's hard. I don't really have a... I know that it's a big word for you.

Lewis Howes 1:18:08 Hmm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:08 Right? And it's not a word that I think about, greatness, or that I'm really... I can't even really feel it-

Lewis Howes 1:18:18 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:18 ... the word.

Lewis Howes 1:18:19 The reason I ask it-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:20 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:20 ... I ask it for everyone-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:21 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:21 ... because there's a different definition for everyone-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:23 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:23 ... that I find.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:24 So I'm trying to find my way into it.

Lewis Howes 1:18:25 Yeah, for sure.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:26 Because I-

Lewis Howes 1:18:26 You know, it's, it's different than success for me. You know, success is, a lot of people think about it as, like, money and achieving things.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:32 So what's your definition of greatness?

Lewis Howes 1:18:33 Yeah, you know, right now-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:35 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:35 ... my definition is discovering and cultivating the unique talents and gifts within us to pursue our dreams, and in that pursuit, make the biggest impact on the people around us as possible.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:49 Hmm. That's awesome.

Lewis Howes 1:18:50 So there's, it's not about making money.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:52 No.

Lewis Howes 1:18:52 Although, you can make money in that process.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:18:54 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:18:54 It's not about achieving things, but I think it's about using what we're born with to cultivate our talents and gifts, and then figure out our dream, like you did, and, and go after that, 'cause that c- that dream is going to create a ripple effect on people-

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:06 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:19:06 ... when we're in that pursuit.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:08 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:19:08 Even if we never achieve the dream, in the pursuit of it inspires other people around us.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:13 Absolutely.

Lewis Howes 1:19:14 And I think our world, our life is about service. You know, we're the most fulfilled when we're in service. And we were given so much. This world was given to us, you know, when we were born, and it's like we were, we have this playground. To live and breathe in. So I feel like it's our duty to give back to the world and to everyone else in the world who supported us, whether they know it or not.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:33 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:19:34 So that's my mission. Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:35 I love that.

Lewis Howes 1:19:36 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:36 I love that. You're doing it.

Lewis Howes 1:19:38 Thank you.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:38 You're doing it, and you're creating it, and-

Lewis Howes 1:19:40 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:41 ... it's inspiring and helping and healing people. And it's amazing-

Lewis Howes 1:19:46 I appreciate it

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:46 ... to hear your story. And-

Lewis Howes 1:19:47 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:47 ... I was telling you earlier, listening to-

Lewis Howes 1:19:49 Yeah

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:49 ... your story and listening to your podcast, it's so great because too, it's- it takes women and men to bo- to, to step up into this space of this sharing from this-

Lewis Howes 1:19:59 Mm-hmm

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:19:59 ... space of heart-

Lewis Howes 1:20:01 Yes

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:20:01 ... awareness and consciousness and creativity, and to break that old way of thinking that has dominated so many s- of the things that we've done in our world.

Lewis Howes 1:20:10 Right.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:20:10 So it's exciting.

Lewis Howes 1:20:11 Yeah.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:20:11 It's an exciting time to be alive. I think greatness for me-

Lewis Howes 1:20:14 There we go.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:20:15 [laughs] I'm so good at that.

Lewis Howes 1:20:16 [laughs]

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:20:16 No, I'm kidding. Greatness for me is the exploration of creating a life from within, w- inside out, however that might look for someone. And if that means doing something huge and solving something amazing and finding a cure for whatever, that's greatness. If it means tending to a garden and feeding your family, or if it means being a teacher or whatever it is, understanding that each of us has an impact on everything that we do and everyone that we come into contact. And true greatness is when you understand that and are in flow with that, and it's in a- aligned with the values of who you are as a person.

Lewis Howes 1:21:10 Mm.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:21:10 And your life all flows in that way. Whether or not you have a job that you love or not, but are you- can you be the person that shows up at that job and emanates who you, who you are, and isn't waiting for something else? I think that's greatness, to live your life that way, in alignment with your own values and your own soul and your truth of your- of yourself.

Lewis Howes 1:21:37 Right. Right. Awesome. Carrie-Anne Moss, thank you so much.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:21:40 Thanks.

Lewis Howes 1:21:40 I appreciate it.

Carrie-Anne Moss 1:21:41 Pleasure. Thank you.

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