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HEALTH EXPERT REVEALS What Foods Are KILLING YOU & How The Food Industry LIES |Dr. Mark Hyman

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0:00 – 5:16
The Chronic Disease Tsunami and Its Scale
1. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And then of course we need government policy change, and that's the hardest part, right?
2. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
3. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  'Cause, you know, people go, "Oh, Washington, it's a shit show," and, you know, nothing's gonna change-
4. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah
5. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... I'm just, I give up, and like it's just. But you know, there is, there are things getting done, and there, and there is a way to change things. And, and, and the people you elect do care about getting re-elected-
6. LHLewis Howes
  Mm
7. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... and they want your vote, and if they know that you care about something, they will change things.
8. LHLewis Howes
  They'll change it.
9. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  They will change things.
10. LHLewis Howes
  They wanna be in power.
11. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes, they wanna be in power.
12. LHLewis Howes
  They wanna stay there.
13. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So we, we, we, we can actually be active. [upbeat music]
14. LHLewis Howes
  Welcome back everyone to The School of Greatness Podcast. We've got the man, Dr. Mark Hyman-
15. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  [laughs]
16. LHLewis Howes
  ... in the house. Good to see you, man.
17. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Good to see you too.
18. LHLewis Howes
  Super pumped you're here. I think you've been on twice before.
19. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes, I have.
20. LHLewis Howes
  So it's the third time.
21. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes, trifecta.
22. LHLewis Howes
  And you are arguably the leading expert on all things health, nutrition, and an amazing doctor as well at the Cleveland Clinic, so thanks for being here. I'm super excited about this. You've got a mission that you're on, which is to change the food system.
23. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yep. [laughs]
24. LHLewis Howes
  Not just, not just teaching people how to eat better-
25. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
26. LHLewis Howes
  ... but actually changing the whole system of what's actually legal and not legal on what we can eat, I guess-
27. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
28. LHLewis Howes
  ... or what's, what we as Americans can have at stores, and what we buy.
29. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  What we grow, what we produce, what we process, what we market, what we eat, what we waste. The whole food chain is messed up. [laughs]
30. LHLewis Howes
  It's really messed up.
5:16 – 7:36
Economic and National Security Costs
1. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Absolutely. People ... And then many people are not a- adequately covered, so there's a lot of co-pays. I mean, you know, people can have 10, $20,000 in co-pays. I had a patient the other day who, you know, had diabetes and I, I fixed his diabetes through food, and he says, "I saved $10,000 a year-
2. LHLewis Howes
  Wow
3. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... on co-pays for my insulin-
4. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
5. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... and my the like [laughs]
6. LHLewis Howes
  Just the drugs.
7. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah.
8. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
9. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And when you look at the amount on diabetes spent in this country, which is basically one out of every two Americans has pre-diabetes or Type 2 diabetes, one-third of Medicare spending is on diabetes. Yeah.
10. LHLewis Howes
  One-third of Medicare is on diabetes.
11. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Diabe- Yeah. Medicare, if it was a company, would be the biggest company in the world, a trillion dollar budget a year. [laughs]
12. LHLewis Howes
  Shut up.
13. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes. One-third of our total federal tax revenue, expected to grow to 100% of our mandatory spending by 2048. And in six years, Lewis, six years, the Medicare trust fund, which is sort of the bank account that we use to make sure we-
14. LHLewis Howes
  Uh-huh
15. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... cover Medicare, it's a little complicated how it works, but the Medicare trust fund's gonna be out of money. So that means that we're gonna have to get a trillion dollars a year out of, uh, our tax revenue. We're not covering it.
16. LHLewis Howes
  Oh my gosh.
17. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So this is a, this is a threat to our economy. It's a threat to our political stability. It's a threat even to national security, Lewis, because seven out of 10 kids who apply for the military get rejected-
18. LHLewis Howes
  Can't get, can't get in?
19. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... because they're too fat or unfit to fight.
20. LHLewis Howes
  No way.
21. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes. It's a n- it's a, there's 700 admirals and generals that published a report called Unhealthy and Unprepared about the threat in our military and national security. And not only that, soldiers are overweight. So we're feeding them crap. They go ... In Iraq and Afghanistan, the number one reason for, for, uh, medical evacuations was not war injury, was obesity-related problems.
22. LHLewis Howes
  No. Come on.
23. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes. 100%.
24. LHLewis Howes
  Obesity-related prob- what does that mean? Like they're-
25. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Injury
26. LHLewis Howes
  ... like a heart, uh, problem or-
27. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Injury, injuries from being overweight.
28. LHLewis Howes
  Wow.
29. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You know? And, and you can read about this. I didn't make this shit up. I mean [laughs]
30. LHLewis Howes
  Right. [laughs]
7:36 – 10:34
Understanding Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes
1. LHLewis Howes
  So let's go back to diabetes for a second. Tell me again the stat on diabetes, how many people have it-
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
3. LHLewis Howes
  ... or are pre-diabetic.
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Okay. Yes.
5. LHLewis Howes
  And, and what, I'm undereducated on this, so how many different types of diabetes are there?
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Okay, good.
7. LHLewis Howes
  And how is it caused?
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Okay. Okay. So type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease. Pancreas fails. It's, it's called ju- we used to call it juvenile diabetes. Uh, and you need insulin. It's just, it's-
9. LHLewis Howes
  You need it
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... it's, you need insulin.
11. LHLewis Howes
  If you have type 1 diabetes, you need insulin-
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You need insulin, yeah
13. LHLewis Howes
  ... to do what?
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  'Cause your pancreas dies. 'Cause your pancreas makes insulin, and it helps your blood sugar, uh, get balanced, keeps, that's the blood, it's sort of the gatekeeper that lets the, the glucose into your cells.
15. LHLewis Howes
  Okay.
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So it's really important. Um, and-
17. LHLewis Howes
  So how does that die? How, what happens-
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  How do people die from that?
19. LHLewis Howes
  I mean, how does the pancreas die?
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Oh, well, it's an autoimmune disease.
21. LHLewis Howes
  How does it get to that point?
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It's an autoimmune, like an auto- like you get multiple sclerosis or rheumatoid arthritis
23. LHLewis Howes
  Gotcha
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... it's, it's basically your body attacks your pancreas. And from-
25. LHLewis Howes
  Is that from eating a lot of bad foods?
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Uh, well, there's been links to dairy, and actually as an, a driver of-
27. LHLewis Howes
  Wow
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... type one, uh, diabetes. Gluten, 29% of people who have type one diabetes have celiac that are undiagnosed.
29. LHLewis Howes
  Wow.
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So a celiac is a big cause of autoimmune diseases-
10:34 – 13:34
From Sick Patients to Root Causes: Food, Policy and Lobbying
1. LHLewis Howes
  'Cause, 'cause it makes money, right?
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, no, yeah, but, but I'm going even further.
3. LHLewis Howes
  Right, right. Why are patients sick?
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Like why I got interested in this, because as a, why would a doctor care about agriculture and soil and all this crap? Because as I was thinking about my patients' diseases, most of them were caused by food and can be cured by food.
5. LHLewis Howes
  Mm.
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So I'm thinking, well, well if it's caused by-
7. LHLewis Howes
  How many, how many are most of them? Is this like 50%, 70%?
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  80. 80% of anyone-
9. LHLewis Howes
  Of anyone that comes in to the hospital-
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
11. LHLewis Howes
  ... or your patients-
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah, my patients
13. LHLewis Howes
  ... who have some type of disease-
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
15. LHLewis Howes
  ... or some type of sickness?
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  I mean, unless it's like an environmental thing like mercury or Lyme or mold, you know, most of the things-
17. LHLewis Howes
  Or cancer
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... cancer. Cancer is caused by food.
19. LHLewis Howes
  Really?
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  70%.
21. LHLewis Howes
  70% of cancer is caused by food?
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And sugar is the number one culprit.
23. LHLewis Howes
  'Cause c-
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Heart disease, diabetes, Alzheimer's, heart disease, the big killers. Now-
25. LHLewis Howes
  Are by sugar and food.
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes. Yes.
27. LHLewis Howes
  So if you change your diet, you should be able to c- cure-
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Prevent those
29. LHLewis Howes
  ... prevent-
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Or cure sometimes
13:34 – 18:20
Food, Soil and Climate Change
1. LHLewis Howes
  But what is it? Is it the trucking? Is it the animal feces?
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  End to end.
3. LHLewis Howes
  Is it the-
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Okay, so first of all, deforestation is devastating.
5. LHLewis Howes
  Ah.
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Not only do we, like, destroy the soil on which we cut down the trees, but the trees are a carbon sink, so we lose that.
7. LHLewis Howes
  So they're not sucking in the bad air-
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  They're not sucking in the carbon dioxide
9. LHLewis Howes
  ... and putting out good air.
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right. I mean, basically plants suck out carbon dioxide.
11. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  That's what they breathe. We breathe oxygen. They breathe carbon dioxide. So they're the perfect antidote, right?
13. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  T- and then the soil also we're damaging by the way we're farming.
15. LHLewis Howes
  Mm-hmm.
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  We've lost a third of our topsoil.
17. LHLewis Howes
  Mm.
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It's responsible, and people don't know this, but of all the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, the loss of soil, organic matter, like healthy, rich soil, is responsible for 30 to 40% of all greenhouse gasses currently in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution.
19. LHLewis Howes
  Does that mean... Why is that? Does it like suck up?
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Okay, why? Because-
21. LHLewis Howes
  Does it suck-
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Because soil is, it can hold more carbon than is in the atmosphere right now. There's a trillion-
23. LHLewis Howes
  Really?
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... tons of carbon-
25. LHLewis Howes
  Wow
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... in the atmosphere, which is a lot. I don't wanna, a trillion tons, I don't even know how to measure that. Uh, and the soil can hold three trillion tons of carbon, and how does it do that? It's an ancient carbon capture technology that is available all over the world, that's-
27. LHLewis Howes
  Free
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... free.
29. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  That's, uh, can be more effective than all the rainforests on the planet, than all the forests and trees on the planet. It's called photosynthesis.
18:20 – 23:30
Why Policymakers Aren't Acting: Weak FDA Oversight and Banned Additives
1. LHLewis Howes
  So why, I mean, if this information is public and it's out there, and- Policy makers are aware of it-
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  They're not
3. LHLewis Howes
  ... they're not aware
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  No. I, I spent two hours on a sailboat this summer with a senator, a smart senator-
5. LHLewis Howes
  He wasn't aware of it?
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And I, I literally, his jaw was hanging open the entire time.
7. LHLewis Howes
  Are they not presented with this research and information?
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  No. No, bec-
9. LHLewis Howes
  'Cause they got so much money sent to them by the lobbyists probably
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, right. I mean, listen, if all the people who are walking in their office are Monsanto and Cargill and, you know, McDonald's and Pepsi-
11. LHLewis Howes
  Right
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... and like, and they're all donating millions of dollars, I would say billions of dollars, um, they're not hearing the other side of the science. And, you know, how do you, how do you fight that? So, you know, I, I always s- deride lobbyists, but I, I plan on, you know, on creating a Food Fix campaign, which is a non-profit along with an advocacy organization to start to literally lobby senators-
13. LHLewis Howes
  Wow
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... congressmen, key people in the administration around these issues and start to drive policy change.
15. LHLewis Howes
  Because in the UK, and you were talking about I think in Australia and New Zealand there, or in I think in Asia you were saying that you can't do certain things with the food, otherwise you'll go to prison, you'll go to-
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  [laughs]
17. LHLewis Howes
  You know, you'll get killed.
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah.
19. LHLewis Howes
  You'll-
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, yeah, I mean, I mean-
21. LHLewis Howes
  Like in the UK, you, they don't have a lot of these dyes and-
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right
23. LHLewis Howes
  ... you know, it's, right?
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah, so it's so funny. You know, and the FDA, you know, is so influenced by the, the food industry. Um, and, and I was once with the, um, the, the former, uh, head of the Federal Drug Administra- Food and Drug Administration, uh, Peggy Hamburg.
25. LHLewis Howes
  Former.
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Former. She, she was, she was, you know, she, but then she was the FDA commissioner.
27. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah, yeah.
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Um, but, but now she's former. And I was at the World Economic Forum, I said, "Peggy, how, how come, um, you know, we have, uh, so much trouble with, with, uh, getting advances in food labeling or dealing with toxic-
29. LHLewis Howes
  Uh-huh
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... chemicals in our food, or the antibiotics in animal feed, or..." You know, it's like, she's like, "Well, uh, when we try to make too aggressive change, Congress threatens to shut down our funding because of the food lobby."
23:30 – 28:13
The Food Industry Playbook
1. LHLewis Howes
  sugar, I mean, it's like I'm the first one to raise my hand when I say, like, I love sugar, and it's my-
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Everybody does
3. LHLewis Howes
  ... my biggest vice, right?
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Everybody does.
5. LHLewis Howes
  Like, I love cookies and candies and cakes and brownies and anything you can think of, I love it, right?
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You know, we, we're programmed that way.
7. LHLewis Howes
  I don't know why I don't have diabetes, so much sugar I've had in my whole life. But I-
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You can't be having that much, 'cause you look pretty good.
9. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs] Well, I train hard, too, right? I go through waves. And, but as a kid, I would drink like nine, 10 Dr. Peppers a day, I remember.
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  What?
11. LHLewis Howes
  Like, some days in the summer, you're just sitting around-
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You could have been president. It's not what it was. [laughs]
13. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs] Exactly. But I would just, I mean, I would run around and, and work out and play sports-
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
15. LHLewis Howes
  ... but then I would just drink-
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
17. LHLewis Howes
  ... 'cause I thought that's what was on T-
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  But you were like, you were 16, 18, you know, like-
19. LHLewis Howes
  No, I was like 9, 10, right?
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Wow.
21. LHLewis Howes
  So I was like, but it was, you'd see it on commercials, it was like your NBA superstar-
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
23. LHLewis Howes
  ... drinking Dr. Pepper or Sprite-
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Mm-hmm
25. LHLewis Howes
  ... or whatever after, on the basketball court, and I don't know if it was just, like, subconscious or just it tasted good and you didn't think about it. It was just-
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, they, all, uh, I mean this is where the food industry is so, I mean, I talk about it in my book Food Fix, but the-
27. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... food industry is so strategic about how it advances its mission and goals, and it does it through multiple channels. And I, I'm just gonna go through them because it just, people just don't know. The first-
29. LHLewis Howes
  Celebrity endorsements, right?
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah. The first, you know, obviously, you know- Celebrity endorsements, which is the obvious one. They co-opt social groups.
28:13 – 32:47
GMO Labeling and Soda Tax Battles
1. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  here's an example. Like in California, there was a group that, um, you know, wanted to have a anti, was, was to, to promote GMO labeling.
2. LHLewis Howes
  Uh-huh.
3. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And they put in a ballot, um-
4. LHLewis Howes
  What does that mean, promote GMO labeling?
5. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So that, that you have to label, if you have a food and it has GMO in it, you have to label it.
6. LHLewis Howes
  You have to put it, yeah.
7. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So on Coke, can of Coca-Cola would say GMO-
8. LHLewis Howes
  Right
9. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... corn, right?
10. LHLewis Howes
  Kinda like on a cigarette-
11. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right
12. LHLewis Howes
  ... box where it says, like, this will kill you
13. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right. And your-
14. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
15. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And your plant-based burger would have to say GMO burger, right?
16. LHLewis Howes
  Mm-hmm, right
17. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So, um, the food industry didn't like that.
18. LHLewis Howes
  Right.
19. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So the Grocery-
20. LHLewis Howes
  Well-
21. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... Manufacturers of America got together, 'cause like it would really cost them, you know, huge amounts of money. People are aware of this stuff, they don't wanna-
22. LHLewis Howes
  They stop buying it.
23. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah, yeah. And by the way, um-
24. LHLewis Howes
  Why, why don't they label it, though? That seems like the smart thing to do
25. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, by the way, most countries do have it.
26. LHLewis Howes
  Really?
27. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Um, like I think 30 to 50 countries have it, including China and Russia, who are not, which are not known for transparency or democracy, right? [laughs] So and we, and they don't, and it's, it's terrible. So, so they-
28. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
29. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... basically [laughs] tried to put this thing. Now the food industry got together with the Grocery Manufacturer of America, which is their trade group, and they're like, "We can't have this," so they spent like m- millions and millions of dollars fighting this ballot, and the way they did it was illegal.
30. LHLewis Howes
  Wow.
32:47 – 37:51
Solutions: Consumer Choices, Composting and Institutions
1. LHLewis Howes
  What would be the first steps that someone could take to help?
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, I think, you know, in my book-
3. LHLewis Howes
  It seems like such a big-
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It is, it is. It's a little overwhelming
5. LHLewis Howes
  ... a big [laughs]
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So, so let's talk about some of the solutions. So we know, you know, food is causing chronic disease. It's destroying our economy. It's c- crippling our climate.
7. LHLewis Howes
  Climate change, yeah.
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It's, it's destroying our environment and killing all the pollinators and all biodiversity, and it's causing social injustice because it targets poor minorities who suffer from problems. It, it prevents kids from learning in school-
9. LHLewis Howes
  Mm-hmm
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... 'cause they're eating all this crap. It threatens our national security, creates political instability. So we know all these things. But the good news is that by fixing the food system, we can solve these.
11. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And how do we do it? Well, it's gonna need citizen action. It's gonna need business innovation, and it's gonna need policy change [laughs] and of course-
13. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... other philanthropists and governments to help get on board. And I think that's what's really exciting to me, 'cause there's so much hope. Fo- so for example, on a personal level, you can shift what you eat and what you do to drive change in the marketplace. Why are companies like Nestle and Unilever and Danone creating regenerative ag programs within their supply chain? Why are they trying to up, up, uh-
15. LHLewis Howes
  Hmm
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... the quality of their food and take out chemicals?
17. LHLewis Howes
  Right.
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It's because consumers are demanding it. Why is-
19. LHLewis Howes
  Or they're buying, they're buying companies like Primal Kitchen-
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
21. LHLewis Howes
  ... that have like healthy-
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Like Kraft, right, bought Primal Kitchen, which is basically a, you know, whole foods, you know, uh, really high quality nutritious product with no junk in it.
23. LHLewis Howes
  Exactly.
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right? So, so there, there's... A- and yes, th- that's part of the problem. They're buying up these companies. [laughs]
25. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  But I think they're seeing the change and there's, there's a positive change.
27. LHLewis Howes
  Mm-hmm.
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  I mean, General Mills just committed a million acres to regenerative agriculture. That's incredible.
29. LHLewis Howes
  Hmm.
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  That happened because people are demanding different things-
37:51 – 43:58
Voting, Grassroots Movements and Regenerative Business
1. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And then of course you can vote with your vote. You know, people are so apathetic when it comes to politics, and we live in a democracy. We take it for granted. Yeah. You know, it- You can change it by voting ... you can, because it matters, you know? Yeah. And I think 50% of people don't vote, and often people vote who might have different values than you, and you think it doesn't matter, and it does matter. I mean, you, you know, I, I had worked for me at Cleveland Clinic, this young African-American woman, you know, who, who grew up, you know, very poor, and I said, "Why, are you voting?" She goes, "No, I'm not gonna vote." I'm like, "Why aren't you gonna vote?" She goes, "It doesn't matter. It's like irrelevant." Mm. But you know, we look at, look at what happened in Alabama. The African-American women in Alabama went out to vote, and they voted for a Democrat, and that was like, I, I mean, I don't know when the last time they had a Democrat- Yeah ... in Alabama was- Yeah ... because they stood up and asked for, you know, something different. Change, wow. So there's a, there's a great website called foodpolicyaction.org where you can look at your congressman and senator, what their voting record is on food and ag policy- Wow ... and then you can write to them. There's all mechanisms for, for being activists to communicate. And, uh, they even ousted two congressmen who were in the pocket of big food by a, these big social media campaign based on, on u- using citizen activism, and that's how things happen, right? Mm-hmm. We think we d- our voice doesn't matter, but look at what happened, look at abolition. Yeah. Right? Our entire economy, our entire agricultural system was based on slavery. It ended. Women's vote. You know, it, it, women got the vote because they stood up and said, "Hey." Mm-hmm. It took, you know, another 50 years to get civil rights. Civil, I mean, civil, I mean, women's, uh, women's rights, but civil rights. Yeah. Same thing. Gay rights, same thing. You know, it didn't start in Congress. It ended in Congress. Mm-hmm. Right? So we need to actually create a grassroots efforts, and everybody needs to be empowered to do this, and that's really what the book is about. Yeah. And then of course we need b- business innovation, right? Like these anaerobic incinerators. It solved food waste. It solves the methane from the cow poop. It solves- Right ... the economic issues of farmers, 'cause they make 100 grand a year, and it produces renewable energy and electricity out of poop and garbage. [laughs] It's pretty amazing. So it's like a lot- Pretty cool ... so there's all kinds of great business things that are happening. Yeah. There's a, there's a company called, uh, I think in the private equity group called Private, uh, it's called Farmland LP, and basically they buy up, uh, conventional farms. They convert them to regenerative farms, in which basically restores the soil, like we talked about. Mm-hmm. And they turn the, the, the profits from single digits to more than double digits. So their, their first fund had a 67% profit. Mm. And then there's this thing they called ecosystem services. So every year we use up natural capital, right? We, we take out resources from the earth, uh, plants, biodiversity, uh, mineral, everything, right? Soil, water, and we use up about $125 trillion a year of natural capital, which is about 40 mil- 40 trillion more than the global economy, right? Wow. Um, and most of the way we farm now depletes our natural capital, right? With conventional farming, destroys the soil, water, pesticides- Mm-hmm ... chemicals, pollinators, species, blah, blah, blah, chronic disease, everything. [laughs] They create regenerative farms, which, which actually put in $21 million of benefit to the environment, whereas the, uh, conventional farms will, in the same amount of farming, will take out $8 million worth of benefit. Wow. So it's a win-win-win. And, you know, there's this farmer in, um, you know, in, in North Cara- North Dakota who had, Gabe Brown, who had his farm decimated by hail and bad weather- Mm ... and, and was about to go bankrupt, and he started researching and found out about regenerative ag, and he started to convert his 5,000 acre farm in North Dakota to regenerative ag. And now he's built 20 inches of soil. He doesn't need water. He doesn't use pesticides, fertilizers, chemicals. He produces more food- Pff ... on the same land, it's a very diverse set of crops that, that restores ecosystems, restores pollinators, restores the soil organic matter, uh, and, and he makes 20 times the amount of money- Mm ... as his neighbor [laughs] and produces more food, better food with less inputs in ways that restore the environment. Mm. So this is a scalable thing. It's innovating, yeah. Yeah. It's innovating. Yeah. And I think this is a model that needs to be grown. Uh, and yes, we need incentives from the government. We need business investments- Mm-hmm ... like these guys from Farmland LP. So whatever, whatever way, we need to do it. And then of course we need government policy change, and that's the hardest part, right? Yeah. 'Cause, you know, people go, "Oh, Washington, it's a shit show," and, you know, "Nothing's gonna change- Yeah ... and I'm just, I give up," and like it's just, but you know, there is, there are things getting done, and there, and there is a way to change things. And, and, and the people you elect do care about getting reelected- Mm-hmm ... and they want your vote, and if they know that you care about stuff, they will change things. They'll change it. They will change things. They wanna be in power. Yes. They wanna be in power. They wanna stay there. So we, we, we, we can actually be active, and, and I'm working with a group that, um, an incredible strategy group that launched Bono's ONE campaign- Mm-hmm ... which has raised about 100 billion through congressional appropriations for AIDS and poverty relief, Democrat, Republican, bipartisan effort, and they know how to make sausage in Washington. And I'm working with this crew, and we're raising money to actually change the policies that matter. You know, we need to start supporting regenerative ag. We need to implement policies that ha- create food as medicine to treat chronic disease. Mm-hmm. We need to get rid of the dysfunctional food policies like food stamps, which, you know, pays for 7 billion in soda. [laughs] It's horrible. And you know, it's like, you know, we need to get school lunches better. We need to end all the food marketing to kids, and, and these things are not gonna be easy. We need better food labels, so people know- Yeah ... what the heck they're eating instead of like- Right ... you know, it says, "40 grams of sugar." Nobody knows that's 10 teaspoons, [laughs] you know? So like there's so many things we can do, and I'm, and we're working on a very focused strategy. I'm super excited, 'cause, you know, one, unless you identify the problem- You know, you can't fix it.
2. LHLewis Howes
  Can't fix it.
3. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And two, once you do, you can mobilize grassroots, you can, you know, pressure congressmen and senators. You can do all sorts of things to change policy, and I-
4. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah
5. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... I think it's gotta happen here, it's gotta happen globally. This is a global problem.
6. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
7. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It's huge.
8. LHLewis Howes
  Um, so they can get the book-
9. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Sorry I get carried away. I just-
10. LHLewis Howes
  No, it's great, man
11. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... keep going here on my monologue.
12. LHLewis Howes
  You got all your, the resources and the information on this at foodfixbook.com.
13. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes.
14. LHLewis Howes
  So they can go there, they can get free downloads.
15. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah.
16. LHLewis Howes
  They can buy the book there.
43:58 – 48:37
Dairy Decline and Nut Milk Pitfalls
1. LHLewis Howes
  I'm curious, you said something about nut milk, uh, and about dairy.
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah.
3. LHLewis Howes
  Dairy, has dairy been declining-
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah, dairy-
5. LHLewis Howes
  ... in the last five years?
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yes, dairy consumption-
7. LHLewis Howes
  Do you know the-
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... has been declining dramatically.
9. LHLewis Howes
  Do you know the percentages or the-
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Uh, it's like, yeah, I think, you know, over the last few years, like it's gone down about 25%. Borden, uh, which is a big milk producer, has been around since 18, I think, 87, has gone bankrupt.
11. LHLewis Howes
  What?
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah. The, a lot, and the, a lot of these milk producers. Now people are still eating cheese.
13. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  They're eating yogurt, they're eating these, but, but actual milk, uh, consumption has gone down. And the nut-
15. LHLewis Howes
  Is that-
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... milks have gone up.
17. LHLewis Howes
  Why is that? Is that-
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  I think-
19. LHLewis Howes
  ... because of education? Is that because of disease that-
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  I think, you know, [laughs] I think probably a lot of reasons. I mean, 75% of the population is lactose intolerant.
21. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  So they don't feel good. Uh, I-
23. LHLewis Howes
  I used to drink so much milk every day as a kid.
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And how did you feel? Fine?
25. LHLewis Howes
  I always had like this stuffy nose. [laughs]
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Right. Right.
27. LHLewis Howes
  Like I was always tired in workouts and practices.
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah. Yeah.
29. LHLewis Howes
  Like I was always blowing my nose.
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah. Well, it's actually, milk is nature's perfect food, but only if you're a calf.
48:37 – 50:51
Lost Crop Diversity and Bringing Back Beneficial Foods
1. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Huge. We used to eat 800 species of plants.
2. LHLewis Howes
  That's good, not having the same like three things-
3. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  No
4. LHLewis Howes
  ... every day.
5. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Well, and listen, most of our diet is, is corn, soy-
6. LHLewis Howes
  Wheat
7. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... and corn, soy, and wheat.
8. LHLewis Howes
  Right.
9. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Most of our diet. You know, and, and in other countries, rice in there. And, and those are, you know, all mostly turned into processed food.
10. LHLewis Howes
  Mm-hmm.
11. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Uh, I think we used to have, you know, like I said, 800 species of plants we ate. Now there's 12.
12. LHLewis Howes
  Mm.
13. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  We've lost 90% of all our edible plant species, half of all our livestock species, so-
14. LHLewis Howes
  We've lost them.
15. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Gone. Extinct.
16. LHLewis Howes
  What do you mean? Those-
17. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Gone
18. LHLewis Howes
  ... those plants are gone?
19. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Gone. I mean, there are s-
20. LHLewis Howes
  We can't make, we can't create ... There's no seeds anymore?
21. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  There are seed, there are seed banks that, um, that are, are there. There's seed vaults-
22. LHLewis Howes
  Oh, those are probably-
23. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... in Alaska. They're like-
24. LHLewis Howes
  ... valuable.
25. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah. The USDA has, you know, a lot of seeds. Actually, a friend of mine, um, was trying to develop different, you know, varieties of plants, and was trying to get some old seeds, and got to the USDA, and by accident he got a packet which was numbered like 43216 whatever, and he was like, called them and said, "What is this?" Like, 'cause he was working with an agricultural guy to grow, you know, healthy food. And they go, "These are these Himalayan buckwheat." Himalayan buckwheat, which is kind of a rare buckwheat from Him- the Himalayas.
26. LHLewis Howes
  Mm.
27. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  It grows in really rough conditions, and it's one of the most nutrient, phytochemically rich, dense foods, high protein, low starch, full of phytochemicals, vitamins, and minerals-
28. LHLewis Howes
  Mm
29. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... on the planet. [laughs] And-
30. LHLewis Howes
  And it's almost extinct.
50:51 – 55:07
The 10-Day Reset and Closing Call to Action
1. LHLewis Howes
  I love this. Uh, foodfixbook.com. They can get all the information there. They can get the book.
2. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yep.
3. LHLewis Howes
  Your podcast has a lot of amazing information as well. If people wanna learn more, where can they-
4. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  The Doctor's Farmacy.
5. LHLewis Howes
  Where, and the pharma-
6. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  That's-
7. LHLewis Howes
  The Pharmacy's com-
8. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  The Doctor's Farmacy is the podcast.
9. LHLewis Howes
  Yes.
10. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Dr. with an F.
11. LHLewis Howes
  And then when's the new, are you talking about the new products as well, or no? Is that-
12. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  No, we, we, you know, we mentioned it. So, you know, I, I, I, you know, I spent 30 years doing functional medicine and just seeing the power of food to actually heal people. And, uh, you know, people don't, often don't understand how close they are to feeling good or how bad they feel. Like you-
13. LHLewis Howes
  It could be like one or two days switch-
14. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
15. LHLewis Howes
  ... of like what you eat-
16. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And it heals. Hey, Dr. Hyman, I didn't know how bad I was feeling until I started feeling good. And I was-
17. LHLewis Howes
  [laughs]
18. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  ... I was joking. I said, "Well, I have FLC syndrome," which is when you feel like crap.
19. LHLewis Howes
  Right.
20. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  And-
21. LHLewis Howes
  Well, it's just like the inflammation, the pain-
22. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Yeah
23. LHLewis Howes
  ... the achiness, the tired-
24. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Like you said, you had congestion nose.
25. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
26. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  Your digestion's not right. You have a little headache.
27. LHLewis Howes
  Tired all the time.
28. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You're sluggish.
29. LHLewis Howes
  Yeah.
30. MHDr. Mark Hyman
  You have brain fog. You're tired. You're achy. You don't sleep well. You have skin problems.