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Lewis HowesHow To Use The Law Of Attraction To MANIFEST ANYTHING In 2023 | Dr. Tara Swart Bieber
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80 min read · 16,075 words- 0:00 – 4:31
Manifestation as Goal-Setting and Neuroplasticity
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Once you understand that you can literally change your brain at any stage, any age, any mindset, it's life-changing, isn't it?
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And you do that through...
- LHLewis Howes
I think you gotta have a dream. The School of Greatness. Really? [laughs] Yeah. Please welcome Lewis Howes. What is manifestation in your mind, and how do you use neuroscience and neuroplasticity to manifest what we want?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, so I mean, it's so aligned to a lot of things that you speak about because at its most basic, manifestation is setting a goal and achieving it, right?
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, or, you know, what I like to say is it's making into reality in, in the tangible world your dreams and desires.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I'm not the kind of person that, you know, always said I'd like to live forever or, you know, live till I'm super old or whatever, but once I discovered neuroplasticity, I thought, "I wish I'd known about this when I was 18."
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
You know? It's, it's literally life-changing. I think I was naturally manifesting from about the age of 18 anyway, but I didn't understand the science behind it. Once you understand that you can literally change your brain at any stage, any age, any mindset, that's like... It's life-changing, isn't it?
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And, and I feel that, you know, one of the things we were sort of chatting about earlier is that just because I'm a scientist and an MD, it doesn't mean that in my real life it's easy for me to just channel neuroplasticity. It's still, it's still hard. You know, I've been through a divorce, I've been through grief, I've been through career change, and those hard times taught me resilience and neuroplasticity, but the hard times were almost the opportunity. I didn't want to go through those things. I don't want, you know, our listeners to go through hard times.
- LHLewis Howes
Pain.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, pain.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
But you can take that as an opportunity, and I think if you really understand neuroplasticity-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... then you can make the worst times in your life the start of the best time in your life.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And that's what I love about neuroplasticity, that it's that ability to change, to grow, to regulate your emotions-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... which I know you're really into.
- LHLewis Howes
Sure.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And, and build resilience. I mean, an example of neuroplasticity that I would share with, with, with you, with our listeners, is gratitude lists. So for years in my journaling, I would write 10 things I'm grateful for every day, and they were always external things, friends, family, travel, you know, um, financial freedom, whatever. And I literally just got bored of writing the same things, so I thought, "Okay, what, what else could I write?" So I started writing things like my creativity, my vulnerability, my resilience, internal things, and that was a real game changer.
- LHLewis Howes
Really? What happened when you started doing that?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
It made me think that whatever life throws at me, I've got the tools and resources within me to deal with it. Um, and, and I didn't always have. You know, in my 20s, I wouldn't say I was very emotionally regulated. [laughs] Um, but learning that whatever happens, the, the sort of the pendulum swing for your emotions, the higher it goes, the lower it goes as well, and, and bringing that to, like, parameters that you're comfortable with is-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... that gives you sort of autonomy and agency in life.
- LHLewis Howes
Sure.
- 4:31 – 10:05
Defending the Science Against the 'Woo-Woo' Label
- LHLewis Howes
you're starting to sound like the woo woo self-help industry, not a MIT, uh, professor-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... medical doctor, scientist.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
But what I'm hearing you say is that there's real benefits scientifically to these things.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, and I think when I wrote my book, The Source, which, which sort of married together science and spirituality, there was a risk element to that.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, a little bit like when I left medicine and started coaching and speaking. I, I look back, and I can genuinely say to you, Lewis, that the biggest risk in my life would have been not leaving medicine and changing my career.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Not kind of merging the spirituality with the science. Those would've been the biggest risks, like not, not doing those things.
- LHLewis Howes
Staying only in the science and in the medicine.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Why do you feel like you needed to merge both?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
You mentioned that I'm sort of done with being defined my m- by my job titles and qualifications, and that's a journey I've been on for quite a long time. I would say pre-pandemic, I had a conversation with someone at a dinner party where I said, you know, "Who am I if I'm not a doctor or a neuroscientist?" And she said to me, "'Cause you're so much more."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I just burst into tears.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So that journey, you know, has been quite huge. And, um, I would say that I'm, I'm on a journey of continual reinvention and that neuroplasticity underlies that, so the ability to, to be someone new, to be, to be reborn, but all absolutely based on, absolutely based on science. I know, y- you know, you were right to call me out and say it sounds a bit woo woo. Um...
- LHLewis Howes
Well, I mean, what do your colleagues think about this when you speak, you know, about manifestation, gratitude lists, visualization, meditation? When they're like, "Well, that's just some, like, personal development, self-help talk."
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
Where does the science prove and show evidence that these things are effective in fact?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I mean, I, I think what I would like to say to you and, and, and have you reply to is in... that it's in the doing.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, so if I, you know, I've been doing what I call action boards, but they're like vision boards, for, like, 15 years.
- LHLewis Howes
You sound super woo-woo now.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] You know, my-
- LHLewis Howes
The dream boards, the vision boards. Yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
My-
- LHLewis Howes
I love this stuff.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs]
- 10:05 – 18:18
Mental Rehearsal, Uncertainty, and Learning New Things
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So, um, you know, having been a professional sports person, you'll understand about mental rehearsal-
- LHLewis Howes
Absolutely
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and biofeedback, which is listening to messages from your body, which we sort of touched on with the gut-brain connection. So if your brain has seen something or experienced it through mental rehearsal, then when it comes across something similar in real life, it's less threatening. So uncertainty is the most threatening thing to your brain. Anything new is a huge threat to your brain.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Which is kind of counter to neuroplasticity, right? Because with neuroplasticity, I make myself do something new every year. So I've learnt several languages.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
How many languages do you know now?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, I've learnt five in my life. I'm not gonna pretend I've learnt-
- LHLewis Howes
But you're fluent in all of them. Yeah, yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um-
- LHLewis Howes
Are you fluent in any?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, so I was very lucky. I was brought up bilingual in English and an Indian language.
- LHLewis Howes
Okay.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And then from the age of nine, I learnt French at school.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, and then as an adult, I learnt three other languages at different times.
- LHLewis Howes
Gotcha.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, probably not so good at those ones, but.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, yeah, so during the pandemic, I, I actually made a statement in the beginning which was, "Don't put... necessarily put pressure on yourself to, like, start a new career or learn a language."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Then it went on for longer than we all thought it would. Um, so I was actually on an Instagram Live saying that I'd always wanted to learn the piano, and somebody sent me a DM and said, "Dr. Tara, you can use the Flowkey app to teach yourself piano."
- LHLewis Howes
Flowkey, huh?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. Um-
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
It's a really, really cool app. And, um, I'd been gifted a piano keyboard for Christmas by my husband a, I, I am ashamed to say, a year or two earlier [laughs] and never used it. Um, so in the pandemic, I did, I did use the Flowkey app and teach myself, um-
- LHLewis Howes
Now you know how to play piano? More than Twinkle-
- 18:18 – 25:08
Imagined Weightlifting and Intentional Mind-Wandering
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So the first thing I'd like to say is that I really admire that dedication of doing it for an hour a day.
- LHLewis Howes
Every night I would do this.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And you know, that's the difference between people who say, "I want to, I want to get X or do X"- But they won't spend an hour a day doing it. And-
- LHLewis Howes
That was just an hour a day rehearsing it.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I know.
- LHLewis Howes
That wasn't actually-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Practicing
- LHLewis Howes
... implementing it.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Then I'd get up at 6:00 AM and train for a few hours.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I think, you know, it's really important to say that I was on an Instagram Live with a friend who, you know, owns a huge shoe empire, and said that at some point on her vision board she wanted a house in the Hamptons. And there was so many comments that came up saying, "Yeah, I'd like a house in the Hamptons." But the thing is, you've got to put in the work to earn the money to get the house in the Hamptons. It's not-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... you know, sort of it doesn't come. So, so basically, believing that something's possible or having had an experience of, of doing that thing or even imagining that thing, um, makes it more possible in your brain. So there are amazing studies. Um, I, I, I literally don't know where to start. I think I'll probably start with the most exciting one, which is that if you do weightlifting and you separate people into two groups, so the group that actually lift weights, and the research study was on finger weights and elbow weights. Um, I won't get the percentages exactly right.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
But with, um, two weeks of doing these weights, there was like a 30 to 40% increase in muscle mass with the, you know, the finger or the elbow. But there was a group of people who only imagined lifting weights.
- LHLewis Howes
Come on. What happened?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
About a 15% increase in muscle mass.
- LHLewis Howes
No way.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
They imagined that they were lifting.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yes, yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Were they actually, like, squeezing their muscles?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
No.
- LHLewis Howes
They just thought they were lifting-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... without moving.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And their muscles grew.
- 25:08 – 32:08
Belief, Aging, and the Retrofitted Homes Study
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I've got so many other stories [laughs] I wanna, like-
- LHLewis Howes
Sure
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... loop back.
- LHLewis Howes
Give... Yeah, bring 'em.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So, um, a group of people in their 80s, so there was one group that just lived their life like normal. They were the control group. There was one group that were moved to retrofitted homes that looked like their homes did 20 years ago.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So when they were in their 60s. They had photographs of themselves when they were s- 60 in the house. They read newspapers from 20 years ago. And so by the end of one week, you're not... Like, you're literally-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. [laughs]
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I can't wait to hear, like, how you react to this. They were taller.
- LHLewis Howes
Come on. [laughs] No way.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
They had better musculoskeletal coordination.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
They, in before and after photos that were shown to people that didn't know them, they were rated as younger in the after photos. Um, so the tall- the tallness is to do with m- posture rather than-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm. Yeah, yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... actually, like, growing taller. But, um, just, like, the way that you hold yourself, because you believe that you're younger.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And there was a third group that were the reminiscing group. So they didn't live in retrofitted homes.
- LHLewis Howes
They stayed in the same home.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Stayed in the same home, but they thought about being 20 years younger, and they also got improvements.
- LHLewis Howes
Come on.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Not as much.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. I believe it. You know, there's, uh... My mom, she... Man, I'm gonna butcher this. Birthdays were never a thing of mine, so I've never really paid attention to age. Um, she just turned 70. I can't remember if it was a year ago or two years ago. But I think it was two years ago.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] With the pandemic, we've all lost-
- LHLewis Howes
I know. It's like-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... like, a sense of time
- LHLewis Howes
... I think it was two, I think it was two years ago. My mom and I were like, "Why don't you say every year moving forward that you're a year back now?" So this year she's 68, I think. Yeah, so she's-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] I love it. I'm gonna do that
- LHLewis Howes
... she's, she's saying she's 68.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Next year she's saying she's 67. And there's probably some psychological, emotional, and, you know, neuroplastic, uh, connection to it as well. Just like saying, "No, I am younger," and just believing it, living it-
- 32:08 – 35:26
Stress, Boundaries, and the Body: Lewis's Skin Rash
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
and your skin is, it's the physical boundary of your body, obviously, but it's also psychologically very related to boundary transgressions.
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting. Oh, my gosh. That's so fascinating you're saying this, because about two years ago, I was in a different relationship. And I started to get this, like, kinda skin rash right here-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... like a little bit, like a little patch of, like, this redness right here. And then I started to also get it right below my belly button, like-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... this kind of, like, red rash. And I'm thinking, like, "Something wrong with me? Do I have some, like, disease or something?" And after I ended this relationship, literally that week, it went away.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
So I was in this relationship that was, it was a challenge for me, and a lot of it was based on my values. I was abandoning myself, and my boundaries were being crossed-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... almost daily.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I kept giving in to try to create a peaceful relationship.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
But then me giving into myself was crossing my own boundaries-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yes
- LHLewis Howes
... was abandoning my values, right-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... to make someone happy. And so... And I, and I started to do a lot of healing and, and therapy after the, during and after this. And I was like, "Man, this is going away." And she's like, "Well, you're reclaiming yourself. You know, you're, you're creating your boundaries again."
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
"And you're not letting someone walk over your boundaries."
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
"And you're not abandoning yourself." So it was like my skin... 'Cause I did all the tests. I did, like, every allergy test. No allergies. No nothing. I go, "What is this, like, little rash thing?" I go, "What's going on?" You know, I cut out foods. I was, like, sleeping the right amount, all these things, but it was like the skin still had this irritation. [lips smack] I don't wear creams. I don't have anything. I changed the shampoos, all that stuff. And it was my internal-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... psyche, emotions that was screaming at me. It was literally, like, screaming stress and inflammation.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And it was fascinating to see it go into, I guess, remission, or just leave my body as I started to create more peace inside of myself. It's fascinating.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And, you know, just going back to what you said about as a scientist, as a professor at MIT, how do people view the fact that, you know, you talk about spirituali- I talk-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... about spirituality or... The thing about that is if I was your coach, and I would've known that was psychological straight away.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- 35:26 – 40:15
Believing It's Possible: Roger Bannister and Negative Self-Talk
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
you'll know this story probably, but, you know, Roger Bannister-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... was the first person that, um, ran a mile in under eight minutes.
- LHLewis Howes
Four minutes.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Four [laughs] ...
- LHLewis Howes
Four mi- four-minute mile. Amen.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
You said it that [laughs] ...
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Four mi- yeah
- LHLewis Howes
Four-minute mile.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, once he did it, several people-
- LHLewis Howes
Right
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... then did it in the next few months, just because they knew it was possible, because we thought it was impossible before that, right? And so what I sort of say to people is, "If you are embarking on something new, think about your own past successes. The chances are you've done something similar before." So then you can tell your brain, "Okay, I am afraid of this," or, "I am, you know, not sure that I can do this, but I've done it before." If you haven't yourself done whatever it is that you want to do, find somebody preferably like you or just somebody that has done that thing before-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and tell your brain that it's possible.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And then there's two other layers, the science behind, you know, sort of that maximizes that, I would say, and one is your negative self-talk. So, you know, the inevitable voice in your head that might say Who do you think you are? Do you really think you can do that? You can't do that. You know, that's for other people. That's not for you
- LHLewis Howes
What happens to the body and the brain when you put those thoughts in your s- i- inside and you say those things to yourself?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, it's basically your brain's protective mechanism. You know, your brain wants you to survive until you reproduce. It doesn't care about anything else. Your brain isn't here to make you thrive. It's literally here for you to pass your genes on. Um, so, and, and in cave times, that helped us to survive as a species. In modern times, it's, it's no longer helpful, and that's why we talk about positive affirmations. And, you know, you might again say that's, that sounds woo woo, but in, in Buddhism, they say replace any negative thought immediately with a positive thought. And the neuroplasticity says the same thing.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Because neuroplasticity is amazing, but it can be bad. If you have a breakup and you obsess about the person-
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, you're, yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... you're wiring that deeply into your brain. Um, so you have to direct your neuroplasticity. And if you do get that voice in your head, which is normal for all of us, you need to, you know, override that with, um, a positive statement. So what, what I say to people-
- LHLewis Howes
An affirmation, a positive statement, yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... yeah. And, you know, we could do this together. So if you have a recurring doubt or-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... negative thought, then go one step below that and ask yourself what the belief is that's driving that thought. What do you believe about yourself?
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
You know, you've mentioned today, and I've heard you speak about this before about being a- abandoned.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- 40:15 – 45:12
Neuroplasticity as Physical Work: Pathways and Learning Languages
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I remember when I learnt Danish, which was super hard.
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, gosh.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. [laughs] Um, and I, you know, I've mentioned to you that I prefer to eat healthily, but I was literally taking, like, a can of Coke or, like, a bag of Maltesers to the, the Danish lessons. And it was 90 minutes, and a, by about an hour I would feel so tired and so hungry.
- LHLewis Howes
Exhausting, isn't it?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
It's exhausting, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
I'm learning Spanish right now.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Are you?
- LHLewis Howes
And I'm trying to change my language around it-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... being exhausting-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... and being hard.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Because I think the more I say that, it's gonna continue to-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... reinforce that it's exhausting and challenging. So I've been trying the last few months to say, "You know what? This is a, a fun experience, you know. This is an experiment. It's, it's challenging, but it's a good challenge, and I'm learning every time. It's hard for me." And it's trying to add a positive reinforcement-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... as opposed to, "Man, this is hard."
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Because I, I ha- it's, it has been challenging up until now-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... to learn Spanish fluently, and I also think I have this huge expectation, like, I'm gonna be able to speak like a native, uh, you know, Mexican speaker. But, um, and I think sometimes we forget how far we've come.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
You know?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. Acknowledging that is so important.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Can I give you a bit of inspiration?
- LHLewis Howes
Give it to me.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So I did eight weeks of lessons. I then went to Denmark for summer holidays. And I came back and had a lesson, and at some point she said, "Okay, great. You know, see you. We're done for now. See you next week." And I was like, "Was that 90 minutes?" And so basically, the 90 minutes had got... I hadn't got hungry, I hadn't got tired, I'd got through the lesson, and I realized I've gone past that tipping point of neuroplasticity.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- 45:12 – 49:50
Overcoming 'I'm Not Smart' and 'I'm Not Creative' Beliefs
- LHLewis Howes
What's interesting, I've never felt like I've had a good memory when it comes to books. Like, things I'm reading in school, or things... Because school was so challenging, and I always... The belief was I always tested poorly, and so it just reaffirmed that I wasn't good at it-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm
- LHLewis Howes
... right? Um, based on the way that that school was created for, for us. But in sports, I could remember really well, right? So I could remember other things, or if I'd meet someone and they told me some weird thing about them, like, I would remember this, right?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I could remember it 10 years later, something like that. So when it was more physical and active, I felt like I had an incredible m- muscle memory, right?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I felt like I had incredible wisdom, but I didn't feel like I was smart.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
Like, I felt like I understood people, but I couldn't remember something I read in a, in a page two seconds ago.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Like, I would have to repeat reading something over and over again to be like, "What just happened? What did I just read?" I couldn't comprehend words.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
But I could connect with people and emotions and, you know, movement and things like that.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
So I'm trying to figure out what's that way to learn Spanish through that way. [laughs] Or anything new. Because I think one of the greatest parts about life, especially, uh, you know, after childhood, is, like, creating new adventures and not staying stuck in the same routine-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... but having new experiences, new adventures, and learning new things. I love that you like to learn something new every year. I think that's a secret to keeping you young and youthful-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... and looking 31, you know?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] Thank you. Um, so two things I'd like to raise about that. One is that you've obviously done the work and become very successful, but there are a lot of people who would be stuck in that, "I'm not smart." And I was stuck in, "I'm not creative," till I was-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... 35.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Starting to give the numbers away, Lewis. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Like, two years ago, huh?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] Um, so I was told at s- at high school, because I wasn't good at art, that I wasn't creative, and I completely believed that I wasn't creative. I didn't think I could do anything but be a doctor for the rest of my life.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And through a series of events, um, you know, which even probably I am not aware of the complexity of, I woke up one morning and I thought, "I never chose to be a doctor. My parents told me to be a doctor."
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
"I was told at school I was smart. I was so smart that I didn't just do an MD, I did a PhD as well." And I said to myself that morning, "If I'm so effing smart, what do I actually want to do?"
- 49:50 – 57:30
Brain Energy, Building New Defaults, and Forcing Function Immersion
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So what's happening to the brain is that you had a pathway that was established, either from childhood or later in life. And the brain is obviously a small percentage of your, your body weight-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... um, like two to 5% for most, you know, generally. But it's a very energy-hungry organ. So it's using up 20 to 30% of what you eat.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And again, that's-
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. And so, you know, I think, you know, having been a, a sports man, you would think about what should I eat so I can have big muscles?
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Or, you know, what should I eat so I have lovely skin or whatever. But actually, you should be thinking, "What should I eat so I can make the best decision today?"
- LHLewis Howes
Wow, interesting.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, so when you're asleep, your brain is using up 20% of the glucose that you have ingested that day.
- LHLewis Howes
Huh.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
When you are focused on a task, it's using up 25% of your dietary intake. When you're stressed, it's using up 30%. So, you know, in terms of, you know, I sort of like to live in a brain first kind of way, 'cause if you're doing that, everything else is gonna fall into place, your cardiovascular system-
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... your gut. Um, so, you know, hydrating foods, good fats, all that kind of thing is, is gonna feed your brain. And so, you know, what's happening in your brain and body is that you are creating the pathway, that dirt road into the paved road, that should become the default pathway for your brain. So your brain is gonna go down the most energy efficient route, because that's, that's easiest and what it knows-
- LHLewis Howes
Right
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and what it likes, and it's using up less glucose. So what you have to do is build the pathway so that it's so strong that it's stronger than the pathway that's been there since childhood.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm. How do you do that?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Okay. You're not gonna do that with Spanish, 'cause you're never gonna be better at Spanish than you are English, right?
- LHLewis Howes
Right, right.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
But in terms of things like emotional regulation, if you were the person, and there's so many people like this, who would cry and yell and slam the door and walk out and then come back, you can actually change that. You can become somebody who's got good boundaries-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... who's got self-worth, who feels that they deserve love. Um, and you do that through neuroplasticity and building the pathway-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... giving yourself the examples, and acting like that in life until you do believe it.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, and just going back to the two things, I remembered what the other one was, which is what I have found personally is that when you have no choice but to do the thing that you have to do, you do it. So I would say, I would ask you, have you gone to a Spanish-speaking country on your own to a village where nobody speaks English?
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs] 'Cause if you did-
- LHLewis Howes
I mean, I, I, I've been... I mean, I have been on my own in Mexico recently, where... Well, my girlfriend speaks Spanish.
- 57:30 – 1:05:07
Reinvention, Creativity, and Doing the Work When Life Is Good
- LHLewis Howes
What is the thing you're learning this year? What's the new thing?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So yeah, I've been sort of navigating a, a personal journey, and I want to do some different things with work. So you know, I would say I, I had a, a break, and it's so tempting to go back to doing the keynote speeches and taking on the high-net-worth clients. And you know, I've been tempted. I have sort of, like, done a little experiment and gone done a keynote and, you know, sort of met a new coaching client. But I think this, you know, belief that I had for a long time that I'm not creative, it's really important for me now at this stage of my life to, to, to live that dream and be the creative person that I've always-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... wanted to be. Um, so I've actually co-written a song with s- my, my colleagues in a music studio. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, wow. Look at you. Look at you.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, and the COO of the business said to me, "You know, I need you to sign a document 'cause you're a songwriter now." And that was like, I never, ever thought I would hear those words. You know, when you go to medical school when you're 18 and-
- LHLewis Howes
The arts are not in your cards, yeah
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and you know, I get why, and I'm very, very grateful for my education, but my parents were immigrants from India to England, and they wanted me to get an education-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and be professional. I never had the luxury of being creative or doing sport. You know, I, I was, like, always in my sports clothes once I was an adult, but that wasn't something that was valued by my parents. It wasn't a big thing for me at school, um, at high school. So yeah, art, creativity, sport. Um, I'm the trustee of a charity for gynecological cancers. That's, you know, again, something that I sort of thought that, you know, you have to be a very privileged person to be able to, to do that.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So yeah, I think this constant journey of reinvention, of really-
- LHLewis Howes
Right
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... being, like, the maximum that I can be. And in my book, The Source, I talk about the six ways of thinking, which are logical, emotional, in- intuition, physicality-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... creativity, and motivation. You know, trying to have, trying to build all of those pathways in my brain and not... And I, I think it really comes back to, like, where we started with you saying about the woo woo, which is that my logical pathway is well-built. I don't need to build that pathway [laughs] anymore.
- LHLewis Howes
Right. You've got that.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, but you know, I really want to explore... I have worked very hard on emotional regulation myself, but um, you know, and I think my motivation is good, but it's kind of, you know, having a strong work ethic was still a part of being a doctor-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... and being a scientist. And so really taking that opportunity now to not do the things that I could easily do that would, like, make lots of money for my business-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... but do things that-
- LHLewis Howes
More for fun and creativity
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, things we love.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
What was the biggest challenge for you, the biggest trigger for you that you had to learn how to overcome and emotionally regulate? Was it that you would get frustrated or angry or triggered in certain ways by things in life, or was there another trigger that kind of blocked you emotionally?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I would say two things. So I'd say one was being overly defined by my job title. Um-
- LHLewis Howes
That was your identity.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. Um, and it, you know, because I went n- the system is a little bit different in the UK, so at the age of 18, I went to medical school. So my whole adult life I was this medical student or a doctor. And, you know, it was sort of, you'd call up and you'd say, "Oh, I'm, you know, I'm Dr. House's, you know, junior do- I'm the junior doctor belonging to him."
- 1:05:07 – 1:08:48
How to Build an Action Board and Her Story of Manifesting
- LHLewis Howes
I'm curious on action boards, mental rehearsal-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... visualization-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... gratitude lists, practicing just manifestation in general, which of these do you feel like is most crucial for someone to start implementing right now?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Okay, so there's, there's crucial and then I would say impactful. So they could be different. So if there's one thing that somebody listens to this podcast and goes away and does in the next two days, I would say an action board.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
What would they put on this action board?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So I prefer to do it by hand, you know, create a collage. You can do it on, you know, digitally, but I think if you've never done one before, it's really good to do it by hand. And to look through magazines. And the reason I say that is that if you go online to look for images that you want, you're limiting yourself to what your brain knows it wants.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
If you are open-
- LHLewis Howes
Discovering
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Then you might be drawn to an image that you wouldn't have thought of. Um, I actually leave quite a lot of space on mine because I like to leave room for magic. Like, I...
- LHLewis Howes
That's cool.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Manifestation is so incredible once you go d- go down that road, and backed by the science, that you start, you s- almost start to think be careful what you wish for because-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... it's, you know-
- LHLewis Howes
It's gonna happen
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... it's gonna happen, yeah. And, um, I don't like to limit myself to only things that I can consciously think of, so I like to leave it a bit open as well. Um, so when, after I got divorced, I basically became a workaholic, and my vision boards were all about business and travel and money. And I got to the point where I admitted to myself, I'm using work to run away from letting my heart ever get broken again. And so in 2015, I made a vision board that was business and travel and money with a tiny heart on it. You know, not really kind of-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, not open to it
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... going, no
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And, you know, had another successful year, and I was still, you know, single. Um, so for 2016, I thought, "Okay, let... If I believe in this stuff, let's see if I can really do this." So December 2015, I looked through magazines and newspapers, and I found a picture of a massive engagement ring, and I put it on the top left corner of my action board. I saw an advert that said, "Joy comes out of the blue," and I didn't know why, but I just liked it, so I put that in the center. So there, there were some other things there, but they were sort, sort of, like, house things and travel and... Um, so February 2016, I met the person that was going to become my husband on a plane, joy comes out of the blue.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. Jeez.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And we were engaged six months later. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
My gosh. Wow.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So that was, that was a big one for me. You, you, you asked, like, what's been, what, you know, what's been the biggest challenge in terms of emotional triggers. I think getting to the point where I re- I remember thinking to myself, "This person could break my heart," and I never thought I would let that happen again, but I'm so proud that I did.
- 1:08:48 – 1:14:18
Why Action Boards Work: Value Tagging and Magnetic Desire
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. So one of the things about the action board is that it must be visible to you, obviously. I believe, further than that, that it should be in, like, a place that other people can see it because a lot of people gather the images but don't stick them down, or they hide it, you know, inside their wardrobe or somewhere. And I believe that equates to believe- to not believing that you deserve those things. So when I had actual amounts of money on mine, it was in my bathroom, so anybody that came to my apartment and used the bathroom would see it. And-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... yeah. Obviously, you know, only people that I knew were coming into my apartment.
- LHLewis Howes
Right, right, still.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
But, but still, it, it had an actual amount of money on it. It's very un-English to talk about-
- LHLewis Howes
Right
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... how much money you want to earn. Um, so it was the boldness of that, and it was repeatedly looking at it obviously has an imprint on your brain. So there's something in your brain called, um, value tagging, which is how your brain prioritizes what's important. Um, so today, if you were to read the LA Times, you would receive more information than somebody would receive in their lifetime 100 years ago.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So we are bombarded, overly bombarded with data, and so the brain naturally filters out things that aren't important to us. Like you're not aware of the clothes on your body.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, so... And again, the brain is wired for survival, so it'll, you know, it'll prioritize things that are important to your survival. And it does that in a warm and a cold way, so it does it both emotionally and logically. So if you repeatedly expose your brain to the images of the things that you want, you are more likely to notice things that are related to that in your day-to-day life.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
But because they're more likely to be things that will make you thrive, you might not have noticed them if you weren't intentionally repeatedly exposing yourself to that visual imagery. On the negative side of that, another demonstration of neuroplasticity is that people who repeatedly looked at images of the Twin Towers falling in ni- in 9/11, who had no personal connection to New York, didn't lose a loved one or, you know, anybody that they knew, could get PTSD just by repeatedly-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
... looking at those images, yeah. So the power both for good and bad of neuroplasticity is, is that, you know, is that huge. So if you channel it proactively for the things that you want, then you're more likely to both notice and grasp the opportunities that come up in your life too.
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Do you do one once a year or twice a year? How often do you do it?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I do once a year, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Once a year.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And do you pretty much manifest and attract everything on that action board every year?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um-
- LHLewis Howes
Or are they, or are they so big sometimes, you're like, "Ah, I don't know. Sometimes I don't even want, you don't want to do it."
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So sometimes it's not everything doesn't happen in that year. Um-
- LHLewis Howes
It happens.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I re- you know, I do remember in 2015, the same professor of neuroscience that, um, talked about my adult languages, he said, "Well, you said you were gonna find husband number two this year, and you haven't." [laughs] But it just leaked into early 2016.
- LHLewis Howes
Sure, sure.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
It was... And I think when my, when my book came out, the, uh, managing director of Penguin Random House in the UK gave this amazing speech, and he said, "You know, the only thing that's left on her vision board is, um, Netflix." And I remember going like this [laughs] 'cause I was so embarrassed that he told everybody that I wanted to do a TV show. And so that's 2019 when my book came out in the UK. Um, and now it's 2022, but, you know, this year I'm working on a TV show. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Nice. Amazing.
- 1:14:18 – 1:18:33
Gratitude as the Key: Feeling It's Already True
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
So I'd say the final piece is create the action board, look at it daily, 'cause that's all the value tagging and the selective filtering of data, and then the final piece is believe that it's already true.
- LHLewis Howes
Feel the exper- and feeling the experience-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... of it's happe-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yes
- LHLewis Howes
... it's already happened.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Exactly.
- LHLewis Howes
There's something to that, you know, and this goes back to gratitude. I just feel like because I'm a grateful person all day.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
I mean, I guess I have challenging moments, but I mean, I'm intentionally in the morning and the evening and throughout the day speaking of gratitude-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... to others and to myself. And I think because of that, more good things continue to come into my life.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
They just happen.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And now I'm, I'm actively working to make them happen, but I'm also actively grateful for what I have.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I will think about... With the mental rehearsal, I think it's really powerful when I would do this. I would imagine how I would celebrate when I would win, right?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
Or I would imagine how I would react when I'd go over the bar at a new height in the n- in the pole vault.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
I would imagine, like, how I'm gonna compose myself-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... as if it already happened. And so I would rehearse these, these feelings and emotions. Amy Cuddy ca- talks about this as well. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Amy Cuddy's work.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Um, but she, you know, really talks about the body positioning and also-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yes
- LHLewis Howes
... the body posturing a- and imagining yourself in these, these moments being this certain way, and I think that's really important to do, is to feel the feeling of gratitude, that the thing you want is here. And what is that feeling? Start experiencing it consistently.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
'Cause you're gonna start to magnetize that thing to you.
- 1:18:33 – 1:23:52
Resources, Three Truths, and Greatness
- LHLewis Howes
We'll have to do another part in the future. Um, I want people to follow you. They can get the book, which is on your website or on Amazon-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... uh, or anywhere you wanna get your books. Um, that's called The Source. I think it's really powerful. I think you guys should check that out. You've got... also got a new podcast called Reinvent Yourself with Dr. Tara, and it's a deep dive into your message on self-actualization and transformation. So it's you working with neuroplasticity and working with other celebrities and executives, uh, and everyday individuals on how they can improve as well.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
So very excited about that Tara Swart.com. Uh, Tara Swart on Instagram, Twitter, and all these different places
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Dr- Dr. Tara Swart on Instagram
- LHLewis Howes
On Instagram
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... Dr. Tara Swart. Not that titles mean anything anymore
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
But, you know, Dr. Tara [laughs]
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Tara Swart was taken. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
I'll see a new name
- LHLewis Howes
Days ago, days ago. Um, this is powerful. Uh, anything else we can do to be of support to you today, besides checking these things out?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Oh, that's so kind. Um, you know, just being here with you is really a dream come true. It's something that I've manifested.
- LHLewis Howes
Ah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I definitely changed my language around it from, "I can't believe I'm gonna be on Lewis' podcast" to, "I'm so grateful I'm going to be on Lewis' podcast."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm. Mm.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And so that's a little example of, um, of, you know, that in action. And I think, I do think of myself a- as, like, on a continual journey of reinvention, based on neuroplasticity.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
And I am so grateful that that's literally now my podcast [laughs] and my TV show and my work.
- LHLewis Howes
That's cool.
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
It's amazing. Well, t- when, when's the TV show coming out? Is that announcements?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Um, can't say yet.
- LHLewis Howes
Can't say yet?
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
It's in production. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Check, check you out on social media-
- TBDr. Tara Swart Bieber
Yes
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