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REBEKAH NEUMANN: Real Life Interview With WeWork Co-Founder

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  1. 0:00 – 0:36

    Every child is “gifted and talented”: rejecting narrow labels

    1. RN

      Like, I don't believe in the concept of some kids being gifted and talented. I think that's one of the most bogus things I've ever heard of in my entire life. Every human is gifted and talented.

    2. LH

      Yeah.

    3. RN

      It's just if we're lazy and we're gonna limit gifted and talented to one athlete, you know, IQ, whatever, that's, that's- the, the issue's on the adults, not the children, 'cause the children are all perfect. [upbeat music]

  2. 0:36 – 2:03

    What WeGrow is: elevating consciousness through superpowers and happiness

    1. LH

      All right. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. We've got Rebekah Neumann in the house. Good to see you. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. I'm in your house, actually. This is the WeWork headquarters. And thank you again for having me. This is exciting.

    2. RN

      Thanks for having me.

    3. LH

      Yeah, this is fun. Now, you are, just so I got it clear, you're a founding partner and chief brand officer of WeWork, but also founder and CEO of WeGrow-

    4. RN

      Yeah

    5. LH

      ... which is a whole new organization within WeWork. Is that right?

    6. RN

      Exactly.

    7. LH

      And what is the mission of WeGrow? Just so I understand clearly.

    8. RN

      The mission of WeGrow, and quite honestly, the collective we that we're all living under, is to elevate the world's consciousness.

    9. LH

      Mm.

    10. RN

      At WeGrow, specifically through unleashing every human's superpowers and expanding happiness.

    11. LH

      Okay. And it's, and WeGrow is starting as a school-

    12. RN

      Yes

    13. LH

      ... but it's going to be evolving into much more, I'm as- I'm assuming, right?

    14. RN

      It's kind of a practice and a new approach to life.

    15. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    16. RN

      We have started with children, but we're as soon as next week, starting to pilot some of the curriculum on our WeGrown-ups.

    17. LH

      Really?

    18. RN

      Uh-huh.

    19. LH

      Is that what you call, is that what you call us? [laughs]

    20. RN

      Just for the moment.

    21. LH

      For fun. Yeah. [laughs]

    22. RN

      Yeah. Why not?

    23. LH

      Now, why did you wanna get into this? 'Cause you guys started WeWork-

    24. RN

      Right

    25. LH

      ... eight years ago, roughly.

    26. RN

      Uh-huh.

    27. LH

      2010, 2011-

    28. RN

      That sounds right

    29. LH

      ... was the ideas-

    30. RN

      Yeah

  3. 2:03 – 2:59

    Origins of WeWork: community roots and helping entrepreneurs focus on what they love

    1. LH

      And how did the idea actually start with WeWork?

    2. RN

      The idea for WeWork started because, gosh, it came from a lot of things coming together. First of all, my husband and Miguel, the co-founders-

    3. LH

      Uh-huh

    4. RN

      ... both grew up on kind of communes, my husband on a kibbutz in Israel, Miguel on a commune in Oregon.

    5. LH

      Okay.

    6. RN

      So they very much, from their childhood, understood the power of community. They both also were, um, struggling entrepreneurs in DUMBO, Brooklyn when I met Adam, and they thought that they needed, if they could create a platform that would help entrepreneurs and creators really do what they love and not worry so much about the logistics, that that would be a great gift to give the world.

    7. LH

      So they were struggling entrepreneurs themselves.

    8. RN

      Oh, yeah. When I met my husband, um, he couldn't buy me dinner-

    9. LH

      Really?

    10. RN

      ... or even afford a taxi.

    11. LH

      Really?

    12. RN

      Really.

    13. LH

      And what year was this when you guys met?

    14. RN

      We met 11 years ago.

    15. LH

      Okay.

    16. RN

      And we got married a few months after that.

    17. LH

      [laughs] Really? Wow.

    18. RN

      Yeah, it was quick.

    19. LH

      You guys acted fast.

    20. RN

      We did.

    21. LH

      And then you ha- you still-

  4. 2:59 – 5:09

    Why she stopped dating: grief, betrayal, and a self-discovery journey

    1. RN

      Before that time, from about 23 to 29, when I met him, I actually didn't date anyone. Yeah.

    2. LH

      For six, five, six years-

    3. RN

      Yeah, no

    4. LH

      ... you didn't date anyone?

    5. RN

      No dating.

    6. LH

      You didn't go on one date?

    7. RN

      I didn't go on one date.

    8. LH

      And what was that reasoning?

    9. RN

      I was, um, studying life and wanted to have a deeper understanding of who I was and what my purpose was and kind of why I was on this planet before I opened up to welcoming in a partner.

    10. LH

      Wow.

    11. RN

      I know. It's a little out there, but that's what happened.

    12. LH

      I like that.

    13. RN

      [laughs]

    14. LH

      So what made you, what made you get to that place of like, okay, um, did you have a bad experience with a partner when you were 21?

    15. RN

      Right.

    16. LH

      Or did you say, "Okay, this really isn't for me. Let me just-"

    17. RN

      Yeah

    18. LH

      ... "be single for a while"?

    19. RN

      I think it was a combination of a few things. The first thing is when I was 11, my brother passed away.

    20. LH

      Wow.

    21. RN

      So at a very youn- and I was very close to him. He was 23. At a very young age, I started to understand that life is about something much bigger than anything material or superficial. Um, I grew up in a, you know, comfortable home and all of that, but when you, someone you love dies, it puts everything in perspective and you realize that there's a bigger purpose to life. Um, and when I was in college, my parents split up, and right after college, I went through a terrible breakup-

    22. LH

      Mm

    23. RN

      ... and my boyfriend ended up running off with my best friend, so.

    24. LH

      No way.

    25. RN

      Yeah. That was intense, and there was a lot of betrayal and pain, but [clears throat] ultimately, um, thank God, that led me on a journey of self-discovery, 'cause I had to kind of refind myself and my center and my, you know, raison d'être.

    26. LH

      There you go.

    27. RN

      Yeah.

    28. LH

      Is there anything that you still hold onto, any pain?

    29. RN

      No.

    30. LH

      You feel like you've forgiven-

  5. 5:09 – 6:41

    Spiritual study and a core belief: unity as the underlying reality

    1. LH

      Yeah. And now, did I understand that in your, your 20s, you studied Buddhism and business. You're an artist, a yoga instructor, actor, producer, director-

    2. RN

      And stock trader

    3. LH

      ... and stock trader.

    4. RN

      [laughs]

    5. LH

      For many years, a stock trader, right?

    6. RN

      No, the stock trading was a, was a quick little thing I did.

    7. LH

      Okay.

    8. RN

      Um, yeah. I did not know what I wanted to do. I went to Cornell. When I graduated from Cornell, the kind of job to get was to go, to go into a sales-

    9. LH

      Sure

    10. RN

      ... and trading analyst program-

    11. LH

      Financing

    12. RN

      ... at one of the banks.

    13. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    14. RN

      So I jump into, jumped into that. It was not my calling, and very soon after that, I went to India to Dharamsala, where the Tibetan community in exile is living, and I studied with, um, you know, His Holiness the Dalai Lama-

    15. LH

      Wow

    16. RN

      ... and his monks. I also studied Tibetan Buddhism at Cornell.

    17. LH

      Wow.

    18. RN

      I love to study all different spiritual paths. Um, to me, ultimately, what's so beautiful is that they all say the same exact thing.

    19. LH

      Which is what?

    20. RN

      Which is that if we can all come together and be in a true state of unity and we, then the world will be in a beautiful place. And not only that, but that is the true reality. We just can't see it. I can't see it or feel it with our five senses but on an energy level, we are all one entity. So the joke's on us 'cause like we think we're different, but we're not.

    21. LH

      Yeah.

    22. RN

      We look different, our story's different, our history's different, but spiritually we're all aligned.

    23. LH

      How are we very similar, do you think?

    24. RN

      We're... You, you and I?

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. RN

      From-

    27. LH

      You and I, but also just-

    28. RN

      Yes

    29. LH

      ... any human that you meet.

  6. 6:41 – 8:49

    Redefining success: impact, fulfillment, and creating from love

    1. RN

      Well, I can jump into you and I, if you want.

    2. LH

      Let's do it.

    3. RN

      So my... One of my superpowers is, is intuition-

    4. LH

      Uh-huh

    5. RN

      ... so I feel things.

    6. LH

      Yeah.

    7. RN

      Um, I think we're similar 'cause I think what drives you is goodness and kindness and compassion, and I feel that you are authentically trying to make the world a better place, and that you're in your life's work, and that your work is a genuine act of sharing.

    8. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    9. RN

      Um, and I'm driven by the same things, and I started WeGrow, our school, as an act of sharing, and WeWork was started as an act of sharing. Our intention was never to find a way to make the most money. Um, when I met my husband I had just come off a month in the woods up at Omega, eating strictly vegan, meditating a few hours a day, and getting certified as a Jivamukti yogi. So my intention when I met him was just, how do we expand this good vibration to the planet? And-

    10. LH

      Wow

    11. RN

      ... that's sort of what's motivated everything from the beginning. It's not some brand thing we are layering on top to sound conscious. It's authentically our DNA.

    12. LH

      So you weren't trying to make money. Was he, c- since he was struggling?

    13. RN

      When I initially met him-

    14. LH

      He couldn't, he couldn't pay for food, right?

    15. RN

      ... he was, you know, he was trying and failing.

    16. LH

      [laughs] Right.

    17. RN

      'Cause if you only focus on trying to make money-

    18. LH

      Mm-hmm

    19. RN

      ... first of all, it might not happen, and second of all, even if it does, you might not be happy.

    20. LH

      You're miserable. Yeah.

    21. RN

      So we have really focused on redefining success to include fulfillment-

    22. LH

      Mm-hmm

    23. RN

      ... happiness and generosity.

    24. LH

      Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really... You know, I've interviewed a lot of people and I think the, the ones that have figured it out are the ones that make it about impact and fulfillment.

    25. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    26. LH

      And then typically the money will follow if you-

    27. RN

      Right

    28. LH

      ... if you follow the impact and fulfillment or if you pursue that first, and you pursue the thing that you truly love.

    29. RN

      Exactly.

    30. LH

      'Cause I think that's the thing that's gonna help us overcome challenges. If we don't love something or if we're not at least curious about loving it-

  7. 8:49 – 17:51

    Fear, anger, and “vibration”: emotional awareness and how kids absorb energy

    1. LH

      Do you ever hate anything?

    2. RN

      No.

    3. LH

      Has there been a time in your life where you just hated something?

    4. RN

      I feel scared of things and sad about things.

    5. LH

      Like what?

    6. RN

      Have I ev- uh, any, uh, cruelty. I feel really sad about cruelty to animals.

    7. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    8. RN

      I feel horri- I could cry, but I feel terrible about kids suffering.

    9. LH

      Yeah.

    10. RN

      Um, I feel bad about what we're doing to the planet.

    11. LH

      Yeah.

    12. RN

      But I don't hate anyone 'cause I think most people that are not acting correctly just don't know better.

    13. LH

      Yeah. How do we educate people more?

    14. RN

      [laughs] That's what we, we're trying to do with our school.

    15. LH

      [laughs] Yeah.

    16. RN

      We gotta start with kids, but then we gotta bring it to grownups.

    17. LH

      Yeah.

    18. RN

      If we can teach people that by being conscious and sharing they're gonna be more fulfilled and successful, that that's kind of the winning formula-

    19. LH

      Mm-hmm

    20. RN

      ... find your superpower, find your super passion, and use it to share and make the world better. If people understand that that'll... will also equal all of the material things they want, then hopefully, um, we'll get people more on that wagon. And also, if people can come to realize that we're all one-

    21. LH

      Yeah

    22. RN

      ... then they'll treat others the way that they wanna be treated.

    23. LH

      Who came up with the word WeWork?

    24. RN

      Ha, that's a good one. So my friend Andrew Finkelstein, uh, who I went to college with, was a friend of my husband's. They had met on the roof of their apartment building. And, um, he introduced my husband and I, and he also came up with the name WeWork. We had a bunch of bad names. The, the-

    25. LH

      [laughs]

    26. RN

      ... first iteration of this company was called Green Desk.

    27. LH

      Oh, man.

    28. RN

      So there was Green Desk before WeWork.

    29. LH

      Yeah.

    30. RN

      And we were looking for a name for the company and failing miserably. And then Andrew, who is a... He's an agent at WME.

  8. 17:51 – 23:08

    Why WeGrow: redesigning school around spirit, body, mind, passion, and movement

    1. LH

      And when I was over there yesterday, I, I peaked in for like three minutes, it was a complete opposite of what I went to school-

    2. RN

      Yeah

    3. LH

      ... as, right? Which, you know, I'm, I'm dyslexic or, you know, whether you l- wanna label it or not-

    4. RN

      Right

    5. LH

      ... but I grew up very-

    6. RN

      I wouldn't label it, but go on [laughs]

    7. LH

      Yeah, right. Um, but you wanna label it, right? I grew up, um, unfortunately in the school system I was in, they would rank our grade cards-

    8. RN

      Mm

    9. LH

      ... based on like all the kids in the class.

    10. RN

      Mm.

    11. LH

      So I was always in the bottom four based on how many students there were. They would see the number on the grade card.

    12. RN

      Good for you.

    13. LH

      Right? Yeah, it's fun. Really helped me, like with my confidence. Um, [clears throat] and the testing and just how everything was structured. I was an athlete, that's how I got my learning and my teaching. It was like on the sports-

    14. RN

      Through your body

    15. LH

      Through my body

    16. RN

      Exactly

    17. LH

      ... after school at 3:30 when the bell rang, it was like, "Thank goodness. Now I can go learn something."

    18. RN

      Yeah.

    19. LH

      Because it was like, my coach is gonna teach me something.

    20. RN

      Yeah.

    21. LH

      I'm gonna learn something through making mistakes.

    22. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    23. LH

      I wanna get to collaborate with my teammates and-

    24. RN

      Physically

    25. LH

      ... connect with them.

    26. RN

      Yeah.

    27. LH

      Yeah, move around.

    28. RN

      Yes, movement.

    29. LH

      That's where I thrived.

    30. RN

      Totally.

  9. 23:08 – 24:52

    Nature days and “conscious entrepreneurship”: the farm program and mentorship model

    1. LH

      I like it. [laughs] I like it. And what I heard so far, I just was getting some, some, some insights, uh, yesterday, is that once a week they go to a local farm. Is that what they do?

    2. RN

      They do. They spend one full day a week in nature farming and just running and being and, you know, meditating in nature and-

    3. LH

      With anim- like, farm animals, too, or is it just kinda like-

    4. RN

      There will be animals. There are not currently.

    5. LH

      Yeah. Yeah.

    6. RN

      Um, but they plant seeds. They harvest their crops.

    7. LH

      Wow.

    8. RN

      They bring them back to the city. They run a farm stand at WeWork, and then they donate all of the proceeds to a nonprofit that they are actually personally involved in and invested in-

    9. LH

      Wow

    10. RN

      ... that they choose.

    11. LH

      So they... I, 'cause I saw them come upstairs yesterday and, like-

    12. RN

      Did you see the farm stand?

    13. LH

      I saw the farm stand.

    14. RN

      Oh, nice.

    15. LH

      And, like, I didn't see them actually selling, but I heard someone tell me, like-

    16. RN

      Yeah

    17. LH

      ... they have, like, little hustlers, like, running around, like-

    18. RN

      Oh, yeah

    19. LH

      ... trying to sell you, like, carrots and stuff and-

    20. RN

      They're into it.

    21. LH

      Yeah.

    22. RN

      They're super motivated.

    23. LH

      Just charming you and, like-

    24. RN

      Yep.

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. RN

      They don't need our help. I mean, the second the stand opens, even the first one, every... This is the second year we're doing this. They are off to the races. And, um, I think it's really empowering to n- for them to understand this is not about ma- turning them into, you know, entrepreneurs that are focused on making money at this age or anything like that. That is not the point. But for them to understand that they can actually plant something, pull it out of the earth, sell it, and then help... Last year it was animals. Like, it's a full circuit of what I call conscious entrepreneurship-

    27. LH

      Mm

    28. RN

      ... creating for the benefit of. And they are learning everything from marketing to math to science, and then whatever it is that they don't understand, we call the WeWork employees in that department, let's say it's branding, and they come down and they give a master class.

    29. LH

      Wow.

    30. RN

      So last year their T-shirts, instead of "Do what you love," said, "Eat what you love." And they come up with this, and it's just fun, and it's completely student-created, and, um, I can't imagine doing it any other way.

  10. 24:52 – 34:11

    Scaling the school: grades, high school possibilities, mobility, and blended learning

    1. LH

      Oh, man. So you wouldn't have it any other way. I think it's brilliant. And right now, what are the age groups of, of students at the school? Or the, I guess the grades?

    2. RN

      Sure. So this year, our founding year, we have ages three through fourth grade, and next year we're gonna have ages two through sixth grade.

    3. LH

      Gotcha. And so it's almost all of elementary school, right?

    4. RN

      Almost.

    5. LH

      'Cause it starts first or kindergarten, I guess.

    6. RN

      Correct.

    7. LH

      Okay.

    8. RN

      And then we're going to go through high school, and open around the planet-

    9. LH

      Really?

    10. RN

      ... so you can actually move around and be mobile with your family, if that's something that-

    11. LH

      What would high school look like in this-

    12. RN

      I, I could only-

    13. LH

      ... curriculum?

    14. RN

      ... begin to imagine. I haven't completely dug my brain into it yet.

    15. LH

      [laughs]

    16. RN

      But I would imagine kids are gonna be in full entrepreneurial endeavors.

    17. LH

      Really?

    18. RN

      Oh, yeah, 100%. I, I, I, I'm sure a lot of these children, by the time that they're in high school, are already gonna be creating what they're gonna be doing for their life. And I bet you some of them are gonna choose not to even go to college.

    19. LH

      Hmm, and just start working or-

    20. RN

      And if they do, they will, you know?

    21. LH

      Yeah.

    22. RN

      That's great.

    23. LH

      Yeah.

    24. RN

      But yeah.

    25. LH

      What's the vision for this then? 'Cause right now it's one school with one-

    26. RN

      Right

    27. LH

      ... two grades, I guess. Right? A couple of grades.

    28. RN

      Right now it has a bunch of grades.

    29. LH

      A bunch of grades.

    30. RN

      It's one location. We're gonna scale to another location next year, which we're gonna announce soon.

  11. 34:11 – 36:30

    WeGrow’s rigor and autonomy: self-made schedules, mixed ages, and responsibility

    1. RN

      They, we are all about at WeWork and WeGrow tenacity and grit-

    2. LH

      Mm

    3. RN

      ... and pushing ourselves to our limits.

    4. LH

      In school too?

    5. RN

      100%. There's a, a lot of academic rigor and-

    6. LH

      Can you give me an example of-

    7. RN

      Well, so here's an example of how we do it differently but in a really rigorous way. The kids are responsible for creating their own work schedule. So we don't say, "Today, now we are gonna do math, and now we're gonna teach you math, and now we're gonna teach you this." Instead, we say, "Today, we need, you're gonna need to get through X, Y, and Z. Here's your work schedule. You create when you wanna do it, and you go through the Montessori materials, basically teach yourself." So they own their education instead of... The whole education system as it currently exists was created so people would go to assembly lines during the Industrial Revolution and take orders. Well, there's not a lot of orders being given at WeGrow. The kids are responsible for their own education. And because we have mixed ages and tons of materials in every room, if a kindergarten child is ready, like there is one to do second grade math, she's doing second grade math. It doesn't matter what grade you're in.

    8. LH

      Really?

    9. RN

      All I said is just make sure that they're being pushed as far as they want and can go.

    10. LH

      What happens if they're like, "Eh, I don't really wanna do this work right now"?

    11. RN

      They don't. That doesn't happen-

    12. LH

      Really?

    13. RN

      ... 'cause they're passionate.

    14. LH

      Really?

    15. RN

      And if they don't wanna do something right now, then that would be okay. They would just have to get to it later. They could focus on something else for-

    16. LH

      In the day.

    17. RN

      Yeah. We give them some creative-

    18. LH

      So you tell, you can't leave until you finish-

    19. RN

      No

    20. LH

      ... the certain lesson plan or-

    21. RN

      No, but that also bleeds into, like, how we handle homework. Because they have their own work schedule, if there's something they need to finish up that they didn't do during the day, they can take their own responsibility and bring it home and then bring it back.

    22. LH

      Mm.

    23. RN

      There, there are many entrepreneurs in that sense. I mean, in today's world-

    24. LH

      Yeah

    25. RN

      ... no one is gonna tell you and give you some map of exactly how you're meant to live or create. I mean, and I don't think you would want that. That wouldn't be fun and interesting 'cause it wouldn't be your own version.

    26. LH

      Right. Right.

    27. RN

      But yes, definitely the, um, masculine and feminine and the yin and the yang are important to me. And I think that we all have masculine and feminine in each one of us. And I think men who have, are in touch with their feminine side, I, they think it's beautiful. I think vulnerability is strength in men.

    28. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    29. RN

      And I think women who are in touch with their masculine side, also beautiful.

    30. LH

      Yeah.

  12. 36:30 – 41:58

    Leading WeWork’s growth: humility, staying out of ego, and authentic intention

    1. LH

      Yeah. Why do you think WeWork has taken off the way it has? Again, I th- I think it's the number 210,000 members. I read it online, but I'm not sure if it's-

    2. RN

      I, I'm not-

    3. LH

      It's probably-

    4. RN

      ... so good with the numbers.

    5. LH

      Okay. Gotcha.

    6. RN

      But if you read it in, [laughs] if it is-

    7. LH

      That's what I read. But it could be, like-

    8. RN

      Yeah

    9. LH

      ... six months outdated at this point.

    10. RN

      Yeah. No. [laughs]

    11. LH

      I mean, I heard you had 3,000 employees a year ago, and now it's almost 8,000. It's, like, growing so fast.

    12. RN

      Yeah.

    13. LH

      How do you manage... Oh, that's two questions. One, how do you manage that growth coming from a ... struggling actor, uh, you know, with a struggling entrepreneur husband mentality, how do you guys like say, "Wow, this thing is taking off. We've never had something take off like this"? How do you emotionally handle that and deal with all 7,000 people and just managing people and all that energy? That's the first question. I'll let you answer that first.

    14. RN

      Okay. So to answer that, the, the main thing is to stay humble-

    15. LH

      Mm

    16. RN

      ... all the time. The second you go into ego, it's game over. You disconnect from your blessings. You disconnect from your joy. You disconnect from your people. So do not ever go into ego, and do not ever think that you're great 'cause great things are happening.

    17. LH

      Mm.

    18. RN

      So we're always humble and profoundly grateful.

    19. LH

      I like that.

    20. RN

      That's the first thing.

    21. LH

      I like that.

    22. RN

      Um, and the other thing is that we're constantly growing. If the world is growing and moving fast and you're not growing, you're not gonna be synced up, so you have to be changing in yourself as fast as your reality is changing while staying humble.

    23. LH

      Mm.

    24. RN

      [laughs] Go figure.

    25. LH

      No, I like this. I like this. So it's not saying like, "Look what I've created," you know?

    26. RN

      Well, we haven't created it, obviously.

    27. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    28. RN

      It's being created partly through us.

    29. LH

      Yeah, you're channeling it.

    30. RN

      We're doing our part, but the members are creating this, and the students and families are creating WeGrow, and there is a movement that goes way beyond us, um, of co-creators.

  13. 41:58 – 45:37

    Personal practices, food, and compassion: vegan choices and “energy” in what we eat

    1. LH

      What's, um, what's the thing that you're most proud of that most people don't know?

    2. RN

      Hmm. That's interesting as well. I'm really flexible. [laughs]

    3. LH

      Emotionally-

    4. RN

      Um, uh, I am a-

    5. LH

      ... spiritually, physically

    6. RN

      ... physically. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I-

    7. LH

      You're a yogi instructor

    8. RN

      ... I've been a yogi-

    9. LH

      Yeah

    10. RN

      ... and I, you know, haven't had any meat since I'm 12, and-

    11. LH

      Since 12, wow.

    12. RN

      Yeah. Um-

    13. LH

      That's interesting. Yeah

    14. RN

      ... but I'm... I think, uh, being flexible and having a flexible spine, I'm sure you know this as an athlete, but a yogi in India once told me if your spine stays nimble, you, you won't age. It's all in the spine.

    15. LH

      Is that why you look 21?

    16. RN

      I don't know if I look 21, but, um-

    17. LH

      [laughs]

    18. RN

      ... trying to work on my spine. Yes.

    19. LH

      Beautiful. Yeah.

    20. RN

      Yeah.

    21. LH

      Flexible spine.

    22. RN

      I mean, that's a random thing. [laughs] I don't know-

    23. LH

      Sure, sure

    24. RN

      ... if it's something I'm most proud of, but it's a random thing. Yeah.

    25. LH

      That most people don't know. Yeah, okay.

    26. RN

      The not eating meat is a big one for me as well.

    27. LH

      Since 12, wow.

    28. RN

      Yeah. I have no judgments if people eat meat. I understand-

    29. LH

      Yeah

    30. RN

      ... they eat meat. I get it, but I do think for the environment and for health and for animals, eventually, you know We can move in the direction of not eating meat, that would be-

  14. 45:37 – 52:24

    Closing reflections: three truths, how to help, and her definition of greatness

    1. LH

      Um, this is a question I ask at the end. It's called the three truths. I ask everyone this.

    2. RN

      Okay.

    3. LH

      Three truths. Now imagine, hypothetically, that you've lived as long as you wanna live.

    4. RN

      That might be forever.

    5. LH

      There you go. And imagine-

    6. RN

      [laughs]

    7. LH

      ... and imagine that at, at some point your, your physical body has to go.

    8. RN

      Okay.

    9. LH

      And it's your last day.

    10. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    11. LH

      Let's just imagine, hypothetically.

    12. RN

      I imagine that regularly.

    13. LH

      Okay.

    14. RN

      Yeah. [laughs]

    15. LH

      You've accomplished and created and become and, and done and lived everything you wanna do. Your family is happy, and they've lived the lives that they want. You've seen it all.

    16. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    17. LH

      You've created it all, the business or non-business or structure or non, whatever it is, you've done it.

    18. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    19. LH

      And, um, you've empowered the world.

    20. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    21. LH

      For whatever reason, everything you've said and shared and written has gotta come with you when you pass, and so no one has access to your, your materials anymore personally, your vo- your, your audio or video or written words. But you get to write down three truths that you get to leave behind, these three lessons, truths, ideals that you would share with the world.

    22. RN

      Mm-hmm.

    23. LH

      That this is what they would have to be reminded by you of your lessons. What would you say are your three truths?

    24. RN

      Wow. I would say the first is that only love is real, the second is that we are all one, and the third would be to treat people, animals, and the planet the way they want to be treated.

    25. LH

      Those are powerful. I like those.

    26. RN

      Let's do it.

    27. LH

      I like those a lot.

    28. RN

      [laughs] Let's...

    29. LH

      What is the... What is something that we can support as a community? The listeners right now or people watching this, how can we support your mission, WeWork or WeGrow?

    30. RN

      Mm.

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