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  1. 0:00 – 2:51

    Early fame before social media: character over celebrity

    1. TM

      I didn't realize that my self value was in those likes.

    2. LH

      Wow.

    3. TM

      Be prepared. Not everybody around you is on your team.

    4. LH

      Right.

    5. TM

      You always say you have a final question-

    6. LH

      This is it

    7. TM

      ... but it's not your final question.

    8. LH

      This is it. I promise this is it. This-

    9. TM

      Okay

    10. LH

      ... it's one- I think you gotta have a dream.

    11. TM

      The School of Greatness.

    12. LH

      Really? [laughs] Yeah.

    13. TM

      Please welcome Lewis Howes.

    14. LH

      So you grew, you kinda grew up pre-social media, where you were famous, well-known on TV for many years.

    15. TM

      Yes.

    16. LH

      And you were young.

    17. TM

      Yeah.

    18. LH

      You were like teen, early 20s into that show.

    19. TM

      Yes.

    20. LH

      What was that like being, I guess, famous, if you wanna call it that, pre-social media days, and how did you learn to stay confident, not l- you know, not get insecure or let things get to your head at such an early age while achieving that much and being famous on the, on the scene?

    21. TM

      I know. I would have to say my upbringing.

    22. LH

      Yeah.

    23. TM

      My environment.

    24. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    25. TM

      My mom, my dad, my grandmother, my aunts, my uncles, they were all very proud of what I achieved-

    26. LH

      Mm-hmm

    27. TM

      ... at such a young age, but it didn't define me in their eyes.

    28. LH

      What defined you?

    29. TM

      Yes. Character.

    30. LH

      Mm.

  2. 2:51 – 5:16

    Life after a hit show: silence, typecasting, and starting over

    1. LH

      Now, I've, uh, I've interviewed different actors who said that, you know, some of them, I won't say their names, but they had some big shows, right?

    2. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    3. LH

      They were on for three, four, five, seven seasons or whatever for big shows, and then for years they were not able to get anything-

    4. TM

      Yes

    5. LH

      ... because they were kinda typecast and-

    6. TM

      Yes

    7. LH

      ... you know. How did you, especially being even more kinda pigeonholed as a twin-

    8. TM

      Yes

    9. LH

      ... actor, which is very rare, it's a very niche role.

    10. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    11. LH

      It was successful. How were you able to reinvent or continue building your career beyond that original huge show? And did things keep happening right away?

    12. TM

      No.

    13. LH

      Or did it take some years where you're like-

    14. TM

      Took some years

    15. LH

      ... "We're not getting any phone calls."

    16. TM

      E- exactly.

    17. LH

      Really?

    18. TM

      So I was prepared for the transition of becoming, as Tim Reid would say, a civilian.

    19. LH

      Really? [laughs]

    20. TM

      Uh, I was ready for that. What I wasn't prepared for was the silence of phone calls that happened after that.

    21. LH

      What do you mean?

    22. TM

      Well-

    23. LH

      Like you calling people and no one picking up or you're not getting calls?

    24. TM

      Not getting calls.

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. TM

      Or going out for auditions and people just seeing this young comedic girl when you are actually [laughs] a, a woman.

    27. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    28. TM

      You're, I, I was 21 when I ended that show.

    29. LH

      Wow.

    30. TM

      But, I mean, I do have the gift of young face-

  3. 5:16 – 8:05

    Turning criticism into fuel: classes, craft, and booking the next role

    1. TM

      And in that moment I could've, two things could've happened. I could've believed her or I could've used it as fuel.

    2. LH

      Yeah.

    3. TM

      And that is what I did. So I took acting classes.

    4. LH

      Really?

    5. TM

      Yes. Yep.

    6. LH

      After five, seven years-

    7. TM

      Yeah

    8. LH

      ... of being acting consistently on this massive show, you went back and took classes?

    9. TM

      And guess what? I'm still taking acting classes.

    10. LH

      Wow, that's great.

    11. TM

      I, I always want to learn.

    12. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TM

      And I had to learn the art of auditioning, and I didn't real-

    14. LH

      That's so true

    15. TM

      ... 'cause I was working for six, seven years. I forgot how to audition. So I pretty much had to start all over. I didn't get a series. I was 21 When I ended Sister, Sister, I didn't get a series until I was 25, 26

    16. LH

      Wow, that's-

    17. TM

      So it was four years

    18. LH

      ... 45 years is a long wait for someone who's been working consistently.

    19. TM

      Yeah, and there were moments of doubt.

    20. LH

      Yeah.

    21. TM

      There were moments of, okay, I thought I was just gonna quit. I was ... I went to school, I went to college. I, that's something I always wanted to do.

    22. LH

      You went to Pepperdine, right?

    23. TM

      Pepperdine University.

    24. LH

      Yeah.

    25. TM

      I was feeling, I was literally, my country accent came out, feeling, I was [laughs] well, signing like a, filling out a questionnaire to become a private school kindergarten teacher, 'cause I literally thought I was never gonna work again.

    26. LH

      [laughs] Shut up.

    27. TM

      I swear.

    28. LH

      Wow.

    29. TM

      Mm-hmm. The moment I filled that out, I got a call, and it was an audition for Strong Medicine.

    30. LH

      Mm-hmm.

  4. 8:05 – 11:14

    When success stops: depression, identity, and redefining what ‘success’ means

    1. LH

      So when did you start? When was the first season? How old were you?

    2. TM

      I was [laughs] 14, and it didn't air until we were 15, 16.

    3. LH

      So 14 to 21 you were working-

    4. TM

      Yes, 14 to 21 working

    5. LH

      ... on the show. So how in those four years afterwards, so you were going to school afterwards-

    6. TM

      Mm-hmm

    7. LH

      ... you weren't booking anything. People said, "Uh, stick to this other type of comedy."

    8. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    9. LH

      "You can't do this."

    10. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    11. LH

      How did you overcome the self-doubt? Or were you not doubting yourself and you were-

    12. TM

      Oh, major.

    13. LH

      Really?

    14. TM

      I went into depression.

    15. LH

      Really?

    16. TM

      Yes. Yes. And I was depressed because for so long I knew exactly where I was going-

    17. LH

      Mm

    18. TM

      ... what I was doing, and then there was an immediate halt, and I was like, "What now?"

    19. LH

      Mm.

    20. TM

      Like, what am I gonna do? I had this conversation with myself where I was like, "I achieved so much so young. I have so much life to live. I guess this is it."

    21. LH

      Wow.

    22. TM

      I guess I just achieved it.

    23. LH

      You were at the mountaintop.

    24. TM

      Yeah.

    25. LH

      Really. I've always felt like this sense of concern for Olympians-

    26. TM

      Mm. Mm-hmm

    27. LH

      ... in their teens.

    28. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    29. LH

      Especially gold medal winners when they're, like, 16, gymnasts or something, because you can never recreate the feeling of billions of people watching you winning a gold medal. Like, and then all the press and the success that comes with it. Probably a year or two later, it's like, "Okay, w- what, who am I now?"

    30. TM

      Exactly.

  5. 11:14 – 14:05

    Getting help and finding peace through change: therapy and faith

    1. TM

      But it was still successful to me because, it was called Roommates on ABC Family. Um, it was the first comedy that I did after Sister, Sister, and it took years to land another one. But to answer your question before, I was depressed. Um, and you know, I think the hardest part for me was to acknowledge that this person who made a lot of money at a young age, who achieved a lot at a young age, can say they were depressed.

    2. LH

      Mm.

    3. TM

      And in a way, I felt weak, but you're actually ... And here I am a psych major.

    4. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    5. TM

      Um, but in that moment, I realized the strength was actually owning up that-

    6. LH

      Yeah

    7. TM

      ... I needed help in this area.

    8. LH

      Really?

    9. TM

      So I started seeing a psychologist, and I worked through that

    10. LH

      And you were studying psy- you have a psychology degree from Pepperdine.

    11. TM

      Yes.

    12. LH

      Yeah.

    13. TM

      Yeah. But I realized the root of it was I have an issue with change.

    14. LH

      Mm.

    15. TM

      That's very normal.

    16. LH

      Right. It's hard to change.

    17. TM

      Because I would let those moments define my happiness.

    18. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    19. TM

      But it's inevitable, things are going to change.

    20. LH

      Right.

    21. TM

      So if you base your happiness on change, change is always happening. Well, yes, change, you're gonna be like this, "I'm happy, I'm not. I'm happy, I'm not."

    22. LH

      [laughs]

    23. TM

      That's what I was going-

    24. LH

      So, yeah

    25. TM

      ... I was on this, like, crazy emotional rollercoaster.

    26. LH

      For someone like you, who's, your career is, uh, constantly evolving, you know?

    27. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    28. LH

      From acting to hosting to pro- you know, producing, all these other things you're doing and involved in, and maybe it'll last for five years, maybe it'll last for five months. We don't know. We book it, and then they cancel it right a-

    29. TM

      Yes

    30. LH

      ... it's like, I'm sure you've been through all this.

  6. 14:05 – 18:12

    Rejection as the job: ‘I am good enough’ and rebuilding self-worth

    1. LH

      Uh, what would you say is the biggest adversity you've faced in it professionally, then? Since s- since day one of Sister, Sister to now, of all those professional experiences, what's been the, the biggest lesson and the hardest thing to overcome?

    2. TM

      Rejection.

    3. LH

      How many times have you been rejected?

    4. TM

      [laughs] I lost count.

    5. LH

      [laughs] Hundreds? Thousands?

    6. TM

      What's that, what is that TikTok? More.

    7. LH

      [laughs]

    8. TM

      More.

    9. LH

      Right.

    10. TM

      Probably more. More. I literally lost count. Think of it, I've been in the business ever since I was 11.

    11. LH

      Wow. And you're what, 25 now, right?

    12. TM

      Yeah, right. Thanks.

    13. LH

      [laughs]

    14. TM

      43. [laughs]

    15. LH

      Yeah.

    16. TM

      Uh, but, uh, I mean, more than a hundred at, at, at least.

    17. LH

      Wow.

    18. TM

      And our business is based on, that's where we're gonna get deep, our business is based on rejection, being liked-

    19. LH

      Mm

    20. TM

      ... and people telling you how to do things.

    21. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    22. TM

      Think about it. When you audition, probably 1 out of 20 auditions, like dating, it's, it's, you're gonna find, you're gonna, you're gonna nail it. You're gonna get it. You're gonna, you're gonna get that part. Once you nail it, the director is telling you what you need to do better.

    23. LH

      Mm.

    24. TM

      Then-

    25. LH

      So you got the gig, but now-

    26. TM

      Then we-

    27. LH

      ... "Change this, change this, change this."

    28. TM

      But more, after that-

    29. LH

      What?

    30. TM

      Once you've done your project, you have critics

  7. 18:12 – 22:47

    Twins in Hollywood: shared auditions, separate paths, and protecting the bond

    1. TM

      Yes, and what my sister said recently that became viral is that we auditioned for Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. We did.

    2. LH

      You did?

    3. TM

      Yeah. Yep.

    4. LH

      And?

    5. TM

      We did not obviously get it.

    6. LH

      Right, but you did-

    7. TM

      But we got Sister, Sister

    8. LH

      ... that's huge.

    9. TM

      So boom. [laughs]

    10. LH

      [laughs]

    11. TM

      You see what I'm saying? So-

    12. LH

      And what would your roles have been for Fresh Prince?

    13. TM

      Tatyana Ali's, uh, character. Lord, I can't-

    14. LH

      Okay

    15. TM

      ... remember her, uh, forgot the character's name, but yeah. Uh, we would've been the, the girl in, uh, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

    16. LH

      Okay. Oh, you would've been splitting the role?

    17. TM

      Um, one of us would've gotten it.

    18. LH

      Oh, one of you.

    19. TM

      So we both... Yeah.

    20. LH

      Oh.

    21. TM

      And we've, we've gone through that too. And here's another thing we can talk about. We, my sister and I are twins.

    22. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    23. TM

      We look alike. We talk alike. We used to dress alike. [laughs] And we used to go out for the same roles.

    24. LH

      Really?

    25. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    26. LH

      Who would book the role more?

    27. TM

      It would depend.

    28. LH

      Wow.

    29. TM

      Tia was the Barbie girl. After Sister, Sister, I immediately, uh, well, it was four years. I, I got, not immediately, but I got the, the show Strong Medicine.

    30. LH

      Mm-hmm.

  8. 22:47 – 34:13

    Being an empath in a harsh feedback world: talk show lessons and boundaries

    1. LH

      Yeah. [laughs] So did you guys ever feel like you had a rivalry then, or were you always been supportive?

    2. TM

      I feel like there was never rivalry. There was disappointment when we did our reality show, and it's the reason why we left it.

    3. LH

      Mm.

    4. TM

      Because never before in our life did it become Team Tia, Team Tamera.

    5. LH

      Oh, then it was like a competition almost.

    6. TM

      Yeah.

    7. LH

      Oh, that's not good.

    8. TM

      And I feel like the producers knew exactly what they were doing in a reality show.

    9. LH

      Yeah.

    10. TM

      So [laughs] it was like, I, I, I remember her just being so upset with how they, uh, portrayed her-

    11. LH

      Mm-hmm

    12. TM

      ... and how I was being portrayed. You know? Like, I'm the crier, I'm this, I'm that. Um, but yes, I do cry. I'm emotional, and it's because I've learnt. I'm an empath.

    13. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    14. TM

      And I finally have learned that as well. So the reason why I'm very emotional is because I feel, you know how you have your senses? I, m- my sense to feel other people's energy and their vibe is heightened.

    15. LH

      Mm.

    16. TM

      So if you're not feeling well or we're talking about a serious topic, I feel that to the umpteenth degree. Or if we're talking about something sad, I feel that, and it, and it could be, it could be draining.

    17. LH

      Yeah.

    18. TM

      So that explains my emotional-

    19. LH

      Sure

    20. TM

      ... side. But now I know where it comes from.

    21. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    22. TM

      And I'm okay. I'm okay with it. It doesn't mean I'm weak or- I'm sure it's hell not weak. Um, it doesn't mean I'm so happy. No, it's actually a superpower.

    23. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    24. TM

      Because-

    25. LH

      You're connect- you're, you're connected

    26. TM

      ... connected.

    27. LH

      Yeah.

    28. TM

      And I'm able to, you know, put myself in, in someone else's shoes.

    29. LH

      Sure, yeah. What do you feel like has been the, uh, the biggest insecurity you've overcome then since you started in your career?

    30. TM

      I'm overcoming it.

  9. 34:13 – 37:26

    Image pressure in entertainment: staying healthy without obsession

    1. LH

      Did you see, um, I guess in the last, what is it? 32 years, 33 years you've been in this industry, right?

    2. TM

      [laughs]

    3. LH

      Since you were 11. [laughs]

    4. TM

      I never did the math. [laughs]

    5. LH

      You've been a- you've been around a lot of, uh, a lot of successful people, people who have, who've come and sustained and grown, and people who are big that have gone away, in a sense, in the, in the industry. You've been around a lot of famous, successful, thriving people. What do you see as a common insecurity that everyone's had in the last 33 years, whether they're teen star, adult star, come and go? Is it, "I'm not good enough," or is there another s- insecurity or fear you've seen overall in the industry?

    6. TM

      I would say, and I can't speak for everyone.

    7. LH

      Sure. Your, your experience.

    8. TM

      [laughs] Yeah.

    9. LH

      Your observation.

    10. TM

      My observation, especially women, and even men, what am I talking about? 'Cause I dated actors in my day. And I would say image.

    11. LH

      Really?

    12. TM

      Image.

    13. LH

      You mean, like, how they're perceived, or they're-

    14. TM

      No

    15. LH

      ... afraid of how they look?

    16. TM

      How they look.

    17. LH

      To themselves, or how other people are talking about them?

    18. TM

      How other perceive them. Like, you always-

    19. LH

      About their body image?

    20. TM

      Yes. You always-

    21. LH

      Wow

    22. TM

      ... have to look a certain way. If you see, you see a person come out and be like, "I'm happy and proud of my curves. This is great." Then the moment they get a [laughs] hit film, where did all those curves go?

    23. LH

      Yeah.

    24. TM

      Where did all that go? Or women getting older-

    25. LH

      Mm

    26. TM

      ... in the industry. You know? So I would say it doesn't matter how big you are, so like the A-lister to the D-list, it's always that image.

    27. LH

      Really?

    28. TM

      Mm-hmm.

    29. LH

      Yeah.

    30. TM

      It's because we're constantly being seen.

  10. 37:26 – 42:52

    Social media and self-worth: likes, algorithms, and authenticity

    1. LH

      And what is, speaking of image and social media, you know, you were, uh, had big shows pre-social media.

    2. TM

      Yes.

    3. LH

      Then you've grown into, you know, your own big following on social media. How have you learned to not let your image define you on social media, and use it for good in terms of connection-

    4. TM

      That's such-

    5. LH

      ... and creation and, you know, promotion, and not like-

    6. TM

      Good question

    7. LH

      ... you know, am I always in the perfect filter, the angles? Like, uh, how-

    8. TM

      So-

    9. LH

      How have you... [laughs]

    10. TM

      Subconsciously.

    11. LH

      Uh-huh.

    12. TM

      And I, as you can tell, I keep it real.

    13. LH

      Yeah.

    14. TM

      With the change of the algorithm [laughs] that has happened recently, like what the hell-

    15. LH

      Yeah, yeah

    16. TM

      ... has happened here, I didn't realize that my self-value was in those likes.

    17. LH

      Wow.

    18. TM

      'Cause at one point, and I'm human, that's what I-

    19. LH

      Right

    20. TM

      ... I'm, because for so long I was like, k- killing it, killing it, killing it, killing it. Woo-hoo. And then now all of a sudden I'm like, what the hell happened here? And I knew-

    21. LH

      And did you go back to, "I'm not good enough," if the-

    22. TM

      I had a moment, yeah

    23. LH

      ... with the engagement. If you're like, "Okay, I'm getting a million likes on a photo, on a video, and now I'm only getting half a million." It's still a half a million people, but psychologically, what was happening?

    24. TM

      Um, yeah. So like I said, subconsciously I was getting my value there.

    25. LH

      Mm.

    26. TM

      And I had to have that moment again, being like, "Hey, look, I'm not doing this..." And you have to mean it. You can't just say it.

    27. LH

      You do.

    28. TM

      You have to mean it.

    29. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    30. TM

      Mm, for real. [laughs]

  11. 42:52 – 47:22

    What she’d tell her younger self: motives, opportunists, and ‘you are good enough’

    1. LH

      If you could, uh, if you could go back to 10, right before you were gonna get into this journey-

    2. TM

      Okay

    3. LH

      ... you know, of, of a big massive show, and then, you know, the, the career you've had with all the ups and downs, if you could tell the 10-year-old version of you three things to look out for and to be aware of for the next 33 years of your career and life with dating and, and the business and family and fame and... What would you say to that 10-year-old version of you?

    4. TM

      I would say make sure you're doing this for all the right reasons.

    5. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    6. TM

      Because you have to understand in this business, no matter how many times they say they love you, they like you, it is business.

    7. LH

      And they will-

    8. TM

      You're a product.

    9. LH

      And they'll cut you out in a moment.

    10. TM

      And they will the gifts stop, the phone calls stop.

    11. LH

      Really?

    12. TM

      Yeah.

    13. LH

      Wow.

    14. TM

      Boom, just like that. Um, so make sure that you stay present and realize you are doing this because you love it, it is your craft, and, um, enjoy it.

    15. LH

      Yeah.

    16. TM

      Don't let the rejection, the ratings, or the reviews get to you. Um, keep your eyes on the passion.

    17. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TM

      And I just made that up right now. Keep your eyes on the passion. Realize why, realize the why.

    19. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    20. TM

      Why you're doing this.

    21. LH

      Why are you doing this right now?

    22. TM

      I, I love to act in the sense of I love telling a story.

    23. LH

      Yeah.

    24. TM

      And if you notice all the things that I do, I want the story to impact a person in a positive way. I realize what theater, the theatrics, whatever, I realize what it can do to the human soul.

    25. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    26. TM

      You can be having the worst day, you turn on a film, and it can make you laugh. It can make you feel, you know, cry. Um, it can make you learn, it can make you feel like you're not alone. If you're going through a divorce, you're going through whatever, and you see a film of a woman going through the same thing that you're going through, and you see that she persevered, and you see a little bit of yourself in her, it can change your life.

    27. LH

      Yeah.

    28. TM

      That is why I do it. And in doing so, I wanna make sure that I'm doing the best that I can, and that's why I'm always learning.

    29. LH

      Right.

    30. TM

      Second thing I would warn myself is to, oh, God, realize that... Hmm.

  12. 47:22 – 49:42

    Marriage, motherhood, and trade-offs: honesty as the foundation

    1. LH

      Yeah. I've got a few final questions for you.

    2. TM

      Okay.

    3. LH

      I respect your time. Uh, I guess you've been married for 10 years, you were saying, 17 years together.

    4. TM

      Yeah. [laughs]

    5. LH

      What is that like being, you know, in a long-term committed relationship while being in the business, where it seems like people don't last that long in this industry? How are you... How have you been... I guess, what's the biggest lesson you've learned about intimacy and long-term committed relationship, marriage, and being a mom-

    6. TM

      Oh

    7. LH

      ... while pursuing your dreams?

    8. TM

      I'm exhausted. [laughs]

    9. LH

      [laughs] And how do you make it all work? And, and, uh, you know, how do you navigate the intimate relationship side of things while pursuing dreams and being a mom?

    10. TM

      I realize that when I say yes to something, I'm saying no to something.

    11. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TM

      So saying yes to a job is saying no to being there every, that, those days for my children, and what am I gonna do with that? Um, and that's been challenging. I'm gonna say it is challenging. I'm not gonna say it's hard.

    13. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    14. TM

      I mean, I'm not gonna s- mm, it- Hard is like, "Ah, ah, oh, huh."

    15. LH

      Yeah.

    16. TM

      Challenging means there's always a challenge that we need to work-

    17. LH

      Mm-hmm

    18. TM

      ... at. Now more than ever, my husband and I, we're connected. Um, I love him more than I ever have.

    19. LH

      Mm, that's beautiful.

    20. TM

      Because it's deeper.

    21. LH

      That's beautiful.

    22. TM

      Yeah. And we had to be-

    23. LH

      But you're honest with each other, which is the key it seems like.

    24. TM

      That was the key.

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. TM

      And you have to, but this is the thing, it's like some people are like, "I don't know if I can be honest with the part-"

    27. LH

      Mm.

    28. TM

      Then why are you guys together?

    29. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    30. TM

      Like, you need, that is what makes a relationship, a long-

  13. 49:42 – 51:33

    Current project spotlight: Table Wars and hosting with Martha Stewart

    1. LH

      Um, before we get to the final couple questions, you got a show out right now called Table Wars.

    2. TM

      Yes, Table Wars.

    3. LH

      Tell me what it is, and, um, how we can watch it.

    4. TM

      Okay. You can watch it on HGTV, starting November 14th. I host the show with the amazing Martha Stewart.

    5. LH

      Yeah.

    6. TM

      And-

    7. LH

      What's she like?

    8. TM

      She's a, a force.

    9. LH

      Yeah.

    10. TM

      Let me just tell you.

    11. LH

      That's great.

    12. TM

      She is elegance, like chic.

    13. LH

      [laughs]

    14. TM

      Like in the dictionary, chic, Martha Stewart.

    15. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    16. TM

      Um, but to make a long story short, it is a show about tablescaping. Tablescaping is when you basically set up your table for an event.

    17. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TM

      So whether it is a Thanksgiving meal, a Christmas dinner, a wedding, a bridal shower, a birthday party, you always have that table, you know, looking gorgeous-

    19. LH

      Yeah

    20. TM

      ... and beautiful. And we have people from all over the country come in and compete, and they win $50,000. That's a lot of money.

    21. LH

      So they, you have different challenges. They have tables. They have like a sem- an, you have an hour to go create this thing.

    22. TM

      It's amazing what they do in the time.

    23. LH

      They're like throwing stuff together, and they're like...

    24. TM

      Yeah.

    25. LH

      It's kinda like Cake Wars for table.

    26. TM

      100%.

    27. LH

      There you go.

    28. TM

      Yes.

    29. LH

      I like it.

    30. TM

      Mm-hmm.

  14. 51:33 – 55:02

    Legacy questions: three truths, definition of greatness, and an unfinished money conversation

    1. LH

      Um, this is a question I ask everyone at the end, called the three truths. So I'd like you to imagine a hypothetical scenario that many years away from now, it's your last day on Earth.

    2. TM

      Wow.

    3. LH

      And you get to accomplish everything you've ever dreamed of. Everything you wanna have happen, it happens. You get to create, you get to make, all the good stuff, it all happens. But for whatever reason, you gotta take all of your content with you when you, when you go to the next place.

    4. TM

      Okay.

    5. LH

      It's your last day. Every show, this interview, books, content, movies, it all goes away. So no one has access to your content anymore.

    6. TM

      Okay.

    7. LH

      But you get to leave behind three things you know to be true, from all your lessons in life.

    8. TM

      Okay.

    9. LH

      And this is all we would have to remember you by.

    10. TM

      Okay, okay.

    11. LH

      What, what would be those three lessons or three truths you would share with the world?

    12. TM

      Strive to leave this world better than you found it.

    13. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    14. TM

      Live your authentic life. Don't strive to be like anyone else. And, um, oh, God, the third one. Living authentically yourself is, um... I, I read this, uh, book, The Alchemist.

    15. LH

      Yes.

    16. TM

      Um, and what I learned is, is ultimately, you make your decisions.

    17. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TM

      You make it. You can be inspired, encouraged by other people, but ultimately, that is your choice.

    19. LH

      Yeah.

    20. TM

      Those are the three.

    21. LH

      That's beautiful.

    22. TM

      Thank you.

    23. LH

      Uh, one final question, Tamera.

    24. TM

      Yes.

    25. LH

      Um, but before I ask it, I wanna acknowledge you for being an incredible gift in the world.

    26. TM

      Oh, my God, don't make me cry.

    27. LH

      The way you've shown up-

    28. TM

      Oh, my God. [laughs]

    29. LH

      ... consistently as, uh, you know, someone in the industry to set an example, as a really courageous, authentic woman-

    30. TM

      Thank you

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