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The SURPRISING SECRETS To Influence Anyone Using Your MIND | Lior Suchard & Lewis Howes

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  1. 0:00 – 0:41

    Turning skeptics into publicity: why doubt still helps the show

    1. LS

      In different, different places, I met other people, and I did something. In a show or in a group or something, and they say, "Oh, you're that guy that he's keep talking about all the time, right?" So you see how from negativity-

    2. LH

      Yeah

    3. LS

      ... so, so the, this is the best PR. The skeptical are my unpaid publicists.

    4. LH

      Yeah.

    5. LS

      They talk about the experience. It doesn't matter if they talk good or bad, as long as they say my name correctly. [upbeat music]

  2. 0:41 – 2:33

    What he thinks he does: understanding how people think (not what they think)

    1. LH

      What is it you think you do?

    2. LS

      Well, uh, I use, I describe it as using as my five senses to create the experience of more senses. Uh, I know how people think. I don't know what you're thinking, I know how you're thinking.

    3. LH

      Mm.

    4. LS

      And I-

    5. LH

      Based on what?

    6. LS

      Based on principles of underground psychology and non-verbal communication, um, understanding how, I know, I know the process of thinking.

    7. LH

      And what's the process of thinking?

    8. LS

      Ah. The process of thinking is different from per... You, you want me to show you what's the process of thinking?

    9. LH

      Sure.

    10. LS

      I'll give you an ex- Give me your phone.

    11. LH

      Okay.

    12. LS

      Let's try, try something.

    13. LH

      You mean open it?

    14. LS

      Yeah, open it. Open it. And what I'm going to do, uh, I don't want you to see this, so I'm gonna go to a website that you know. Tell me if you've heard of this.

    15. LH

      Google.

    16. LS

      Exactly. Wow, you read my mind. This is unbelievable.

    17. LH

      [laughs]

    18. LS

      It's really... One second. Why it's not...? Okay. Okay, I'm, and I'm going to search something here-

    19. LH

      Mm-hmm

    20. LS

      ... uh, which you, uh, know. I mean, just look here. Just, just look here. Uh, okay. I think that, uh, this will be nice.

    21. LH

      [laughs]

    22. LS

      One second. Um, I hope this works. I really hope this works. If not, we'll do it again.

    23. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    24. LS

      I don't know. You know what? We'll leave it, we'll leave it for something else. I'll, I'll, I'll leave it here.

    25. LH

      Okay.

    26. LS

      I'll leave it here.

    27. LH

      Okay.

    28. LS

      I'll, um, let me work on it. I'll do it again in a few seconds.

    29. LH

      Okay.

    30. LS

      So go, let, let's continue talking and then I'll do it.

  3. 2:33 – 5:43

    Dice mind-reading demonstration: tracking choices and patterns

    1. LH

      Okay. Um, how do you, uh, how do you really start to understand people with the five senses?

    2. LS

      Well, uh, you know how I open my show, I tell people I use three techniques: mind reading, mind influencing, and bullshit. So-

    3. LH

      [laughs] Right, right

    4. LS

      ... so I use, I use a variety of, of techniques. Sometimes it's hard to explain exactly what I do, how I do. It's, if you think about it, it's very simple. I mean, if I give you, if I give you a dice and tell you put it in your hand-

    5. LH

      Yeah

    6. LS

      ... and, uh, shake it. Shake it. And, and, and you don't know, you don't know what the number is, because nobody knows the number. I, and I don't know the number.

    7. LH

      Yeah.

    8. LS

      But if you look at the number, I, I mean, if you, exactly, if you finish, and you look at the number, yes? Now you looked at the number. Now you're starting to transmit.

    9. LH

      [laughs]

    10. LS

      Now, or I don't know if this is the transmit, but [laughs]

    11. LH

      We turn it off. We turn it off.

    12. LS

      Turn it off, turn it off.

    13. LH

      [laughs]

    14. LS

      But, but, but because I learned-

    15. LH

      Uh-huh

    16. LS

      ... you got it?

    17. LH

      Yeah.

    18. LS

      Because I learned how people... You think of six, I think.

    19. LH

      Yeah.

    20. LS

      Yes?

    21. LH

      Yeah.

    22. LS

      So do it one more time, but do it under the table.

    23. LH

      [laughs]

    24. LS

      Under the table so now it's completely... So really, this is nothing to do with luck. I don't know the number on the dice.

    25. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    26. LS

      But if you go like this, and you take a little peek, take a little peek. You got it? So now I can, now I know it's a two.

    27. LH

      [laughs] Yes.

    28. LS

      And one last time, just to make sure it's, uh... You know what? We can do it here on the table.

    29. LH

      Okay.

    30. LS

      So I'm g- I'll turn my back, you choose a number, make a choice, and cover it-

  4. 5:43 – 6:42

    Reading vs influencing: the “pink elephant” and poker-tell framing

    1. LH

      Now, how are you influencing that? Or how are you-

    2. LS

      That's not influencing, that's reading

    3. LH

      ... how are you knowing that I'm gonna be thinking that next number? Or is it, is it, is it thinking I'm gonna be thinking that?

    4. LS

      Well, you know, when you-

    5. LH

      Or is it once I've chosen it, then you realize?

    6. LS

      It's like, it's like when, when I tell you, uh, for example, uh, don't think of a pink elephant.

    7. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    8. LS

      You immediately think about it, and all the viewers right now are thinking of a pink elephant.

    9. LH

      Right.

    10. LS

      So the same thing. When you watch the number four, you can't think of three You can think of five. And I know it's like a po- poker tell.

    11. LH

      Yeah.

    12. LS

      When you look at it, I know it's a four, I know it's a three, I know it's a two. I know, I, during the years, I-

    13. LH

      You've practiced it enough

    14. LS

      ... practiced. It's, it's all about... It's like, it's like playing a piano, you know? Everybody can learn to play a piano, but not everybody will be Mozart.

    15. LH

      Mm.

    16. LS

      So I mastered the whole concept of understanding how people thinks.

    17. LH

      Now, if it's a, if it's a one through six, it'd be easier than one through 100. So is it-

    18. LS

      Same principle, just-

    19. LH

      Really?

    20. LS

      Same principle, just gotta be more sensitive.

    21. LH

      What?

    22. LS

      So, so-

    23. LH

      Suppose a one through 100 dice, theoretically

  5. 6:42 – 8:41

    Mentalist vs magician: belief, ambiguity, and the ‘is it real?’ effect

    1. LS

      ... so for example, for example, uh, in my show, I have an act where I have someone hold the coin in one of the hands, and I guess which hand is the coin every time. And it makes the audience laugh because I talk about body language. But somewhere inside their m- mind, they're saying, "Okay, it's a 50/50 chance," so you know. And then I bring 30 people on stage.

    2. LH

      Mm.

    3. LS

      And now you have one to 60, and one of them is holding the, the coin, and now it's much more difficult, but I'm looking at them, and I point to a person, and that person usually holds the coin. So it's a real- So it's the same concept. You know, before the, before we start shooting, we talked about a magician versus-

    4. LH

      Mm-hmm

    5. LS

      ... mentalist.

    6. LH

      Mentalist, yep.

    7. LS

      And I thought about what to tell you about that. When you watch a magician show, uh, you are amazed, you're blown away, just like here. You go, "Oh, my God, how did it happen? How did you know it? What's going on?" But you know somewhere deep inside your mind that he didn't kill the girl, saw her in half-

    8. LH

      Right, right

    9. LS

      ... and then brought her back, right? And you know that when she levitated, you know it's not something from, uh, quantum physics, uh, uh, defying gravity thing. You know there's a trick. You don't know what is the trick, but there, you, you know it's not real.

    10. LH

      Right.

    11. LS

      You know it's an illusion. When you watch a mentalist show, there's another factor of belief because there is... You will ask yourself, is it really?

    12. LH

      Mm.

    13. LS

      Is it true, not true? Is it-

    14. LH

      Is it a magnetic dice? Is it something-

    15. LS

      Magnetic dice? Can you do it with my dice?

    16. LH

      Right, right.

    17. LS

      The answer is yes, but, eh, [laughs]

    18. LH

      [laughs]

    19. LS

      There's, there's lots of, lots of more aspects than just one drink. So there's an element of belief, there's an element of, of... It's similar a little bit to same thing that happens in our brain wh- when we talk about religious, when someone believes in God or not believe in God. There's, you go out, and you ask yourself, is it real or it's not real? It's not just a trick. So that's the main issue-

    20. LH

      Mm

    21. LS

      ... between a mentalist and a magician.

    22. LH

      Wow.

    23. LS

      Mm-hmm. And there's not many mentalists, talk about that.

  6. 8:41 – 10:08

    Influences and lineage: naming standout mentalists and Uri Geller’s role

    1. LH

      There's not many. How many are there that are world-class-

    2. LS

      Well-

    3. LH

      ... in your mind?

    4. LS

      Not, not a lot. I'm, I mean, I think there's, like, n- less than 10 very good ones.

    5. LH

      Really?

    6. LS

      Very good ones.

    7. LH

      Who's someone that you're inspired by?

    8. LS

      There's, uh, we talked about Derren. Derren is, uh-

    9. LH

      He's amazing

    10. LS

      ... amazing, from England. I've got another Israeli, Chaim Goldenberg from Canada, who's a good friend of mine.

    11. LH

      Mm.

    12. LS

      Uh, there's two in Israel which are very good. I mean, there's, there's, there's, you know, Uri Geller started the whole concept. You re- you know the name?

    13. LH

      No.

    14. LS

      Uri Geller, in the '70s, Israeli, he took the concept, the first one who took, uh, took it to the stage. He used to bend spoons with the mind.

    15. LH

      Mm.

    16. LS

      So every time you think of spoon bend, you have something about-

    17. LH

      Yeah

    18. LS

      ... that's him.

    19. LH

      Wow.

    20. LS

      He was the one who did it. He became huge all over the world. He was a personal friend of Michael Jackson and John Lennon and, uh-

    21. LH

      Wow

    22. LS

      ... and, uh, w- was consulting them. He used to find oil. That's what, you know, according to what he says, of course, uh, to find oil with his mind, have companies, uh, advise companies. He was the first one who started the whole concept of taking the power of the mind, bringing to the stage and entertainment.

    23. LH

      Mm.

    24. LS

      And what I did with it, because I was always, uh, very funny, you know, and, you know, I always like to make fun and entertain people, I love the high energy of entertainment, and I love to be creative. So I took the concept and developed a lot of creativity around it.

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. LS

      And that what you see in the live shows and the TV shows and all of that.

    27. LH

      Wow.

    28. LS

      So it's a lot of fun.

  7. 10:08 – 12:47

    Building the act: four pillars, storytelling, and engineering “wonder” reactions

    1. LH

      What's something that, uh, someone's done that you think has blown you away personally?

    2. LS

      So-

    3. LH

      'Cause I feel like you've seen it all. You, you know how a lot of people have learned their psychology and things like that, so I, you know.

    4. LS

      Well, if to, if you think about it, uh, again, I go back to magic. Uh, a magician can do four things, any magician. He can make something appear from nowhere or disappear or transpose, you know, or levitate.

    5. LH

      Mm.

    6. LS

      That's it. That's like what-

    7. LH

      In lots of different ways, yeah.

    8. LS

      E- exactly. So like, that, that's like a four pillars. Now, with what I do, same four pillars. I can read something, I can influence something, or guess something, you know? It's more like a reading. I can predict something.

    9. LH

      Hmm.

    10. LS

      Or I can, uh, make things move, like the spoon bending or telekinesis stuff, brain power. On that, you build a story, different, different story.

    11. LH

      Yeah.

    12. LS

      It's like, like you, you know, you talk about motivational speaking, okay? Motiva- uh, thinking positive, it's, it's a fact. People need to think more positive. But every person takes it to how they see it and how they look at it. At the end, it's all about mindfulness and, and, you know, getting yourself into the right position. But-

    13. LH

      Yeah

    14. LS

      ... same thing here. There's four elements, and I build the story, the craziest story around, and I give you, in the middle of the story, I give you traps, and I give you ideas, and I give you, "Oh, I think I know how he did that," and then something can, coming to the block. So it's, it's a show. It's a live show.

    15. LH

      Mm.

    16. LS

      It's, it's to entertain people. And when I see, and this is the truth, when I see people wondering, and here's an interesting thing that I don't think I, I, nobody talked about it, what is a sense of wonder? What is it? What do you think is a wonder?

    17. LH

      What is wonder?

    18. LS

      When, when someone is wondering-

    19. LH

      They're curious

    20. LS

      ... but i- if you was so, so you laughed, you went like, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God," some people will cry.

    21. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    22. LS

      Some people will go like this. And some people will just, "Hmm?" And there's lo- I mean, we know-

    23. LH

      It's an emotion, yeah.

    24. LS

      Exactly. You know, laughter, you know it's universal. This is laughter.

    25. LH

      Right.

    26. LS

      Sadness, you know it's the opposite. Angry, you know it's like this. Wonder- It's very individual. If you think of wonder, not everybody will go like this. [gasps] Not everyone. Some people will go like this. Some people will be, like, shocked. Once I had a show and nobody clapped their hands at the end, and I was ... felt so. I said, "No, you don't understand. They were too shocked."

    27. LH

      Oh, wow.

    28. LS

      So I had to reprogram the show-

    29. LH

      [laughs]

    30. LS

      ... to get, uh, to, uh, to-

  8. 12:47 – 15:18

    Childlike wonder, parenting, and why mentalism doesn’t rely on spectacle

    1. LH

      Do you feel like you had a good childhood?

    2. LS

      Uh, define a good childhood. [laughs]

    3. LH

      Well, you say you want people to be like children again. That means, is it-

    4. LS

      I believe, you know, I have two children of my own, and you know the children, did you see the, there's a, there's an s- an amazing scene from the movie The Prestige. You see a magician. He's taking a little bird, and he go like this, and the bird disappears. And the audience goes, " [gasps] My God." And the bird appears, like, in another place.

    5. LH

      [laughs]

    6. LS

      So everybody's, like, clapping their hand, and the little boy is asking, "What happened to the first bird?"

    7. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    8. LS

      And really, the magician had, like, a mechanic something that he makes-

    9. LH

      Right, right

    10. LS

      ... so that he killed the first bird-

    11. LH

      Oh, no

    12. LS

      ... or something like that.

    13. LH

      No.

    14. LS

      But pe- the children has a, a sense of wonder. You know, they touch the iron because they're curious, and then they get, uh, the burn, and they, uh, they, uh, you know, I see my, my kid is doing something from, from Lego, and he's like, "Oh, look what I done, what I've done."

    15. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    16. LS

      "It's a m- they have this." When we grow up, we start to lose this. You go into the box. You know, you, you have your work and, you know, everything in the news, and we start to lose this, this amazing feeling. So-

    17. LH

      Of wonder.

    18. LS

      Of wonder, and I'm here to get back. And you see, and you know, I don't wanna n- no name-dropping, but you know some of the people that I perform for.

    19. LH

      Absolutely.

    20. LS

      Doesn't matter who you are. You could be known, I don't know, rich, poor. Everybody's, like, leveled, and they have the sense of wonder, which is amazing.

    21. LH

      Wow.

    22. LS

      It's, it's a wonderful feeling, yeah.

    23. LH

      How old are your kids, or?

    24. LS

      Uh, four and two.

    25. LH

      And do you perform mentalism on them?

    26. LS

      It's hard because mentalism is very, uh, uh... It- sometimes it's not visual. It's not like magic visual.

    27. LH

      Right, right.

    28. LS

      Sometimes it's very intellectual, you know? You have to-

    29. LH

      Something you think about later

    30. LS

      ... you think about, so it's hard to express it, but, you know, working on that as well.

  9. 15:18 – 19:11

    Corporate infotainment: Swatch watches, IBM Watson, and making messages memorable

    1. LS

      I didn't. I didn't. You know, I just, uh, you know, it, it's... I'll tell you a little story. [laughs]

    2. LH

      [laughs]

    3. LS

      Uh, I think it was, like, 10 years ago, I did a show, and the guy came to me and told me, "I have a show for a, a company, a, for a Swatch group in Switzerland, the Swatch brand."

    4. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    5. LS

      "And I have all the retailers. Do you think... It's, it's amazing. You think you could do something connected to the watch?" And then I were like, "Hmm." It's like, ding, I have an idea, and then started infotainment.

    6. LH

      Infotainment, yeah.

    7. LS

      Infotainment, which is creating this stuff. I said, "Okay, so I know how to guess things for dice. What if it wasn't a dice? What if it was, uh, different messages of a company?" And you look at something and say, "Oh, you're looking at how important is the connection with the workers." And then I would, I, I find myself, uh, talking about the messages, conveying the messages, but in a way that people remembers it.

    8. LH

      Right.

    9. LS

      So for Swatch, I took 10 people on stage. I told them to, one of the acts, hold your hand above your watch, count to three, and I actually stopped all their watches.

    10. LH

      Oh.

    11. LS

      Stopped completely from working.

    12. LH

      They all... You didn't touch their watches?

    13. LS

      I told them... I was going like this to them. The watches stopped.

    14. LH

      But you didn't touch the watches?

    15. LS

      The audience goes wild. Never touched the watches. The audience goes wild.

    16. LH

      Wow.

    17. LS

      One lady from those 10 people said, "My watch is still working." And I started to act like, "No way."

    18. LH

      Nervous, yeah.

    19. LS

      "What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? No, no, no. What, it didn't stop?"

    20. LH

      [laughs]

    21. LS

      And I was, "Let me see. Let me see." And I was going like, "Oh, you have the Swatch." And that was, like, a moment because... And then I said, "What do you have? What do you have?" And I talked about all the other brands-

    22. LH

      Wow

    23. LS

      ... that I could stop, but I could not stop the Swatch.

    24. LH

      That's powerful.

    25. LS

      And the message was-

    26. LH

      [laughs]

    27. LS

      ... I can't do it.

    28. LH

      That's brilliant.

    29. LS

      And it was a metaphor. Of course, by the way, I could stop any of the watches. I just made it look like I co- I, I acted as I do.

    30. LH

      Right, right, right.

  10. 19:11 – 23:06

    Risk, failure management, and why imperfection can increase credibility

    1. LH

      What's the riskiest thing you've ever done, that you actually... 'Cause usually you know, like, it's gonna work, I'm assum- I'm assuming. Like, you know-

    2. LS

      Yeah

    3. LH

      ... you've got to influence or-

    4. LS

      There used, there used to be a time-

    5. LH

      ... unpack

    6. LS

      ... where I used to, one of the acts in the show, I used to have like a, like a Russian roulette. I used to have like, uh, like, um, uh, four knives. Uh, sorry, four like bases-

    7. LH

      Oh, right

    8. LS

      ... and one knife.

    9. LH

      With a bag or something?

    10. LS

      Something like that, with the bags.

    11. LH

      That's scary.

    12. LS

      I used to play with, uh, staple guns, that, you know, one of them is loaded, all the rest is not loaded. You mix it up, and then, then I, I find it, and then I took it to a next step. I don't find it, you find it. So you take it, and I take it, and I go like this, and I [clicks tongue] and I click it.

    13. LH

      Oh, my God.

    14. LS

      I did it in a television show in Israel. It was crazy. And then with time, I felt, I don't think it's for me. I, it's not about the, if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, it's very not for me [laughs] but, but because this is not... It's, um, it's very authentic, it's very... It, it might go wrong. And when I do a live show, and I just came back from Miami, I did, uh, it was a two hours live show. Things got wrong.

    15. LH

      Really?

    16. LS

      But... Yes.

    17. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    18. LS

      But the audience are not aware.

    19. LH

      Mm-hmm. It's part of the story.

    20. LS

      It's part of the story.

    21. LH

      It's like, "Oh, okay, let's, I'll get something else."

    22. LS

      I'll get, I'll get back to it later. Uh, there's, there was a guy who, in the middle of the show, w- he was a, like a heckler. He said, "What's the name of my, my kindergarten teacher?" Or, "What's the name of my friend?" It happens. And I was like, I stopped the show, and I was like, I, I started to tell jokes about him interrupting me, and I say, "I'm sorry. This show is gonna be extended." And I went to him, but at the end of the sh- in the end of the show, I wrote the name of his kindergarten teacher.

    23. LH

      Really?

    24. LS

      Mrs. Robinson, it was.

    25. LH

      That's funny.

    26. LS

      I remember. It was crazy, and everybody's like blown away because I have anchors. I know I'm first act, second act, third act.

    27. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    28. LS

      But in between...

    29. LH

      Stuff can go...

    30. LS

      I go crazy. I go crazy.

  11. 23:06 – 25:36

    Why he performs and what might come next: moving from wonder to education

    1. LH

      Why do you keep doing this?

    2. LS

      Um, I love the... I love how people react to it. I really, really... I love to perform. You know, I, I finish the show, I take a bow, I go out, and then at, sometimes there's like a encore or something like that.

    3. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    4. LS

      But sometimes I go back and just go down the stairs, and people coming to me, selfies and pictures, and there's like another 30 minutes of me taking pictures, signing, because I wanna hear. And people come to me, "Oh, my God, you inspire..." This is not just, I don't think it's just entertainment. I think it's also inspiring.

    5. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    6. LS

      I think it's a little bit educational, because I don't, I s- I think, I think my next phase will be getting a little more educational, maybe l- teaching something, maybe-

    7. LH

      Mm. Really?

    8. LS

      May- I don't know, may- something that will help, not just for fun. Something that will help you.

    9. LH

      Impact people beyond wonder-

    10. LS

      Exactly

    11. LH

      ... and curiosity.

    12. LS

      S- so they'll go home, and they will say, "Okay, I wanna try to do something, uh, to be better or to, to do something." Um, I love the reactions of people. I love people, generally. Yeah.

    13. LH

      What do you think that will take for you to do in order to get people out of the end of your performance, hour or two hours, whatever it may be, to be like, "You know what? I'm gonna change this part of my life-"

    14. LS

      That's-

    15. LH

      "... to be better"?

    16. LS

      That's the next step, I think.

    17. LH

      What is that, you think?

    18. LS

      I don't know yet. I, you know, I think when you see someone who's doing- You know, in the show, you saw the video with, uh, Jerry with the Rubik's Cube.

    19. LH

      Oh, yes.

    20. LS

      When he did... [clears throat]

    21. LH

      Gerard Butler? Yeah, yeah.

    22. LS

      Yeah, so I gave him a Rubik's Cube. He mixed the cube.

    23. LH

      Yep.

    24. LS

      He keep mixing it up behind his back, and then he show that he solved it. And if-

    25. LH

      Crazy

    26. LS

      ... people were, like, going crazy.

    27. LH

      Crazy.

    28. LS

      So this is an act that I do in the show right now with two people, and this is an act that I call the act, it- it's, it's an act about you're going, you're going to do the impossible now, not me.

    29. LH

      Right.

    30. LS

      Now, again, it's very philosophical because, of course, I'm doing it. I'm helping them. I'm controlling. I'm influencing. But I love to make it look like it's their moment right now.

  12. 25:36 – 29:36

    Learning influence ethically: rejecting psychics, ‘psychological karma,’ and his book’s approach

    1. LH

      Is this a skill that people can learn to get to a certain level beyond where they're at? May- maybe they're not gonna be able to get to your level, but how can we learn to be more intuitive-

    2. LS

      Definitely, definitely

    3. LH

      ... in our own lives, to be able to perceive people and influence people or persuade people, obviously, in a positive way of integrity but not-

    4. LS

      Mm-hmm

    5. LH

      ... getting them to do something negative? But how can we tap into the intuition more?

    6. LS

      Well, I have to tell you something. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm not religious, uh, but every, I, I, I'm, again, you know, we're in Los Angeles. Every m- every second you have, like, the psychic, uh, stores.

    7. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    8. LS

      I'm really against that. I'm against psychic. I'm against fortune tellers. Some of them using similar techniques like me, but if I look at you or tell you to think of a name or something and, and I can guess it, I can guess it as a mentalist, as entertainment, or I can say, "I'm getting spirits," blah, blah.

    9. LH

      Yeah.

    10. LS

      And that's what they do.

    11. LH

      Yes.

    12. LS

      So th- so, so they take advantage of people's, you know, their in- uh-

    13. LH

      Beliefs

    14. LS

      ... beliefs.

    15. LH

      Yeah.

    16. LS

      And they do it, so I hate that. But I really believe in karma, in psychological ka- not spiritual karma. I don't like the whole this kind of stuff, but psychological karma. So first of all, if you give to people, you get back, definitely. So I always try to, when there's a situation, I always say to people, "What, okay, what can I do for you? What, what, how can I help you?" If I can, I will help him. There's nothing, uh, wrong with that, and I'm sure it will come back to me-

    17. LH

      Right

    18. LS

      ... in another way, and it happens all the time. And, you know, there's some stuff that people can, you know, can learn. They can learn the basics of, uh, of, uh, influencing, how to create a rapport, how, the, the basic of NLP a little bit.

    19. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    20. LS

      How to, how to get more chances of the other person to say yes to you. And but it, it doesn't mean you're gonna be on stage and guess-

    21. LH

      Right

    22. LS

      ... things about people.

    23. LH

      Right.

    24. LS

      But-

    25. LH

      But how can we use this in our own lives to be better?

    26. LS

      Exactly. Th- I think this is the next step for me. I wrote a book about this. Uh, it's called Mind Reader: Unlocking the Power of Your Mind to Get What You Want. So the whole book is filled with lots of mind tricks, mind questions. Uh, you're, like, you're running in a race, all right? You're running, and you just passed, uh, second place. Which place are you now?

    27. LH

      You just passed second place.

    28. LS

      You j- you just passed second place, so now you are-

    29. LH

      You're in second place.

    30. LS

      Exactly, but you thought about it.

  13. 29:36 – 33:03

    Top influence behaviors: reciprocity, helping first, positivity, and creating heroes

    1. LH

      What would you say are, like, three, four, or five things, your top things that if people did more of, they would automatically just be more influential? People would wanna be around them more. People would say yes more or give them more information or wanna work with them more, whether it be business, intimate relationships.

    2. LS

      The-

    3. LH

      A few things that are just like-

    4. LS

      I'll tell you something. I tell you something.

    5. LH

      Yeah.

    6. LS

      There's, there's an amazing, uh, book called Influence. Influence.

    7. LH

      Yeah, Influence by Robert Cialdini, yeah.

    8. LS

      Cialdini.

    9. LH

      Seven, seven things, yeah.

    10. LS

      Exactly.

    11. LH

      It's crazy.

    12. LS

      So one of the things he talks about, and it's, it's really interesting. He talks about, um, when you give, when you give... And it sounds bad, but it's not bad. When you-

    13. LH

      Reciprocity or?

    14. LS

      Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. So when you give... No, no. When you give someone something, he, he will want to give you back.

    15. LH

      Reciprocity, yeah.

    16. LS

      Exactly.

    17. LH

      Well, reciprocity, yeah.

    18. LS

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [clears throat] And you can see it in, in, you know, in, in, from individual to countries.

    19. LH

      Mm.

    20. LS

      So for example, you know, we have the Israeli, uh, government and Turkish government, for example. They're, they're... Sometimes they're like friends, not fr- like on and off, connected to the situation, Turkey and, uh, Israel. And sometimes it's a bad relationship, sometimes a good relationship. But there is still, we have a, I think there was a, a few years ago there was a big earthquake in Turkey, and we sent the first, uh, special units to help and save them.

    21. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    22. LS

      No matter what was the relationship between the politics.

    23. LH

      Right.

    24. LS

      Save.

    25. LH

      Save people, yeah.

    26. LS

      Israel's always, by the way, w- in Thailand when, when the kids-

    27. LH

      With the boys

    28. LS

      ... Israel sent people to help.

    29. LH

      Wow.

    30. LS

      Always, always, always, always. And you put politics aside. Then we had, a few years ago we had a big fire in Haifa, in Israel, big huge fire, and the Turks sent the super tankers to help us back. It's kind of like, and it shows, and, and the next day, you know, the prime ministers-

  14. 33:03 – 38:57

    On-camera book test with Christine: predicted words and the lingering ‘how?’

    1. LH

      Do you ever wish you couldn't read people the way you do?

    2. LS

      Yes, but it's not like that. It's not that I'm walking and I'm reading people-

    3. LH

      Right

    4. LS

      ... uh, all the time. I'm very good at, um, understanding people. I'll give you an example, and I'm gonna do something that maybe nobody has ever done in the interviews.

    5. LH

      Okay.

    6. LS

      I'm gonna use, uh, you.

    7. LH

      Awesome.

    8. LS

      One second.

    9. LH

      Christine.

    10. LS

      Christine?

    11. SP

      Hello.

    12. LS

      How do you, how do you write Christine?

    13. SP

      C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E. Do I need to be on camera?

    14. LS

      Yes.

    15. SP

      Okay.

    16. LS

      Uh, Christine Will. Christine Will.

    17. LH

      Will.

    18. LS

      This mean you will do something. [laughs]

    19. LH

      Christine Will. [laughs] Christine Will do something.

    20. SP

      [laughs]

    21. LS

      Um, I'm gonna write something for you.

    22. SP

      Okay.

    23. LS

      Uh-

    24. LH

      Yeah, go over, go over next to him. There you go.

    25. LS

      All right.

    26. SP

      Much, I'm trying to not peek.

    27. LH

      Oh, gotcha, gotcha. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

    28. SP

      I believe in this stuff.

    29. LH

      You believe in this stuff. [laughs]

    30. LS

      All right. So you're gonna keep this.

  15. 38:57 – 41:40

    Phone + Google Images: choosing a dream guest and revealing Will Smith

    1. LS

      It's, it's fun to do it. By the way, can I, can I have your phone? I have a bit of s- a better screen with this one. Can you open it? I mean, I can guess your password, but, uh-

    2. LH

      [laughs]

    3. SP

      [laughs]

    4. LS

      Can you go ... I try to do something with your phone.

    5. LH

      It won't work.

    6. LS

      Go on, uh, Google, and I will go on ... Wow, you have so many apps here. It's crazy. Where is the Safari? You have it here somewhere?

    7. SP

      In the Apple folder.

    8. LS

      In the what? [hums] Oh, there you go. Okay. So let's see. Are you in Google?

    9. LH

      I'm in Google.

    10. LS

      Okay. I, I hope this works.

    11. LH

      Google Images or Google all? Does it matter?

    12. LS

      Go to images.

    13. LH

      Okay.

    14. LS

      Go to images. And I'll try ... You on images? Images. Okay, images.

    15. LH

      Yeah.

    16. LS

      Um, I'll try to do something. I want you to ... I'm going to put something here. Okay. You ready? Um-

    17. LH

      [laughs] We ready?

    18. LS

      Look. Look what I'm going to do.

    19. LH

      Am I having this open? Yeah.

    20. LS

      Yeah, yeah. It's fine. So we're both on images. I, I already did something. You have a, a wall full of lots of, lots of known people here.

    21. LH

      Yes.

    22. LS

      If you have a chance ... Look at me. If you had a chance to interview someone, but here's the rules: super famous.

    23. LH

      [laughs]

    24. LS

      Super famous.

    25. LH

      Yeah.

    26. LS

      I just wanna make sure I did it correctly. Yes. Super famous, dead or alive. It can be-

    27. LH

      Uh-huh

    28. LS

      ... I'll give you an example.

    29. LH

      Yeah.

    30. LS

      It can be Albert Einstein.

  16. 41:40 – 44:07

    Who’s easiest to read, and the ‘philosophy’ of prediction vs influence

    1. LH

      Are certain people easier to read than others?

    2. LS

      Yes.

    3. LH

      Really?

    4. LS

      Yes.

    5. SP

      Yeah.

    6. LS

      Yes, yes.

    7. LH

      [laughs] She goes, "I'm easier to read."

    8. SP

      [laughs]

    9. LS

      I don't think, I don't think it's about easy versus difficult, it's about-

    10. LH

      Well, understanding their personality type or their characteristics or their background or in-

    11. LS

      It's, it's, it's ... When I, when you'll see me in a live performance, and we talked about when I'm doing the show here, you'll come, of course.

    12. LH

      Absolutely.

    13. LS

      It's gonna be crazy.

    14. LH

      I'm in.

    15. LS

      You'll see how I'm searching the audience, and I go like, "Mm, yes, no, yeah."

    16. LH

      Is it for more suggestive people?

    17. LS

      Depends on the experiment.

    18. LH

      Do you want to look their brains, look into their brains? Yeah.

    19. LS

      Depends on the experiment. For example, for example, if I do this, uh, book experiment, I chose you because I think you will be good for this. It's not about good influence or bad influence.

    20. LH

      Mm.

    21. LS

      I might, I might do something crazy or say, "No, you will not be good for this. She will be good for this, and he will be good for that."

    22. LH

      Mm.

    23. LS

      So I just look at them and really quickly decide an educated decision-

    24. LH

      Right

    25. LS

      ... who will be fit for this experiment.

    26. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    27. LS

      Because we're all different.

    28. LH

      Yeah.

    29. LS

      Uh, and sometimes I get it wrong. Sometimes I get someone which is, eh, it's not a, a good feat of the trick.

    30. LH

      So what happens if that word was wrong? You wrote down this thing-

  17. 44:07 – 59:58

    Personal side: family vs career, focus challenges, fear of aging, and life meaning

    1. LH

      What's your biggest challenge in your life right now?

    2. LS

      Um, juggle between, uh, family and, uh, careers.

    3. LH

      'Cause you're on the road 100 times a year, I'm assuming.

    4. LS

      Crazy. I find myself, I find myself flying to New York to do a big television or a big show, and s- Will Smith theoretically sees me and say, "Oh, my God, I have to see you tomorrow for coffee." I can't. It's my, uh, my daughter's birthday. I have to go back to Israel.

    5. LH

      Right.

    6. LS

      And this happens all the time.

    7. LH

      Really?

    8. LS

      Um, I'm flying, um... I literally think that career-wise, it's, I, I can't do all in, because if I do all in, you have to choose family or, or you can't do everything.

    9. LH

      Mm.

    10. LS

      So I try my best to bring the family to projects if I can. Uh, we're now flying to Thailand in, uh, August for a vacation. No shows, nothing. No television, no shows.

    11. LH

      Wow.

    12. LS

      I hope there'll be lo- lots of creative, uh, parts over there. Um, and I'm doing those in and outs all the time. Instead of, it used to be a time when I would come to Los Angeles, stay for a week.

    13. LH

      Right.

    14. LS

      Now I'm like, three days and I'm back.

    15. LH

      In and out. Yeah.

    16. LS

      I'm trying to have the meetings set back to back.

    17. LH

      Mm.

    18. LS

      I'm trying... Just like now. Remember? I landed.

    19. LH

      Came right here.

    20. LS

      We're, we're meeting on Sunday.

    21. LH

      Yeah, exactly.

    22. LS

      No American meets me on Sunday except this-

    23. LH

      Except for me

    24. LS

      ... this psycho. [laughs]

    25. LH

      [laughs]

    26. LS

      Uh, Sunday, Sunday is a rest day for Americans.

    27. LH

      Absolutely. Absolutely.

    28. LS

      And we're not resting, we're working. What's going on here?

    29. LH

      Yeah.

    30. LS

      So I try to do it, you know, and that's it.

  18. 59:58 – 1:09:03

    Three truths, legacy, and closing: love, give, be positive, and defining greatness

    1. LH

      Wow. Um, I wanna ask you a few final questions. This one is called the three truths.

    2. LS

      Three truths.

    3. LH

      So imagine, uh, you're Peter Pan and you never grow old.

    4. LS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. LH

      But for whatever reason, one day you gotta call it quits.

    6. LS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. LH

      So it's your last day on earth.

    8. LS

      Mm-hmm.

    9. LH

      You can be as old as you wanna be. You can extend time as long as you want, but one day it's gotta be over.

    10. LS

      Mm. It will.

    11. LH

      It will be. And-

    12. LS

      Or starting, depends how you look at it

    13. LH

      ... you never know.

    14. LS

      Now starting, see?

    15. LH

      Now starting.

    16. LS

      [laughs]

    17. LH

      But this life, your life right now, will end.

    18. LS

      Mm-hmm.

    19. LH

      Let's just say that's what's gonna happen. And, um, you've achieved everything you want. Everything you can imagine. Every boxes you've put together-

    20. LS

      Mm

    21. LH

      ... and broken out of and whatever you wanna do-

    22. LS

      Yeah

    23. LH

      ... has happened. But for whatever reason, you have to take everything that you've created with you. So no one has access to your books or videos or anything else that you've done. They don't have access.

    24. LS

      No legacy.

    25. LH

      They don't have access to it, okay?

    26. LS

      Okay.

    27. LH

      They don't have access to your words, just what they remember.

    28. LS

      Mm-hmm.

    29. LH

      Uh, and they give you a piece of paper and a pen-

    30. LS

      Mm

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