Try This ANCIENT HEALING METHOD To Reduce Inflammation & LIVE LONGER! | Clint Ober

Clint Ober 0:00 Your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So everything in the body's electrical, your brain, your muscles, your, every cell, everything that takes place in your body is electric, electrons moving around.

Lewis Howes 0:13 Okay.

Clint Ober 0:14 When you ground to earth, then your body is negative.

Lewis Howes 0:16 When it's not on the ground, then what happens? I think you gotta have a dream. The School of Greatness. Really? [laughs] Yeah. Please welcome Lewis Howes. And for people that are watching or listening, what is, in simple terms, what is grounding?

Clint Ober 0:29 First of all, grounding is an electrical term. So earth ground is what we're talking about. The earth has a negative charge. Everything connected to the earth, trees, animals, um, plants, everything on the, that lives on the earth has a negative surface charge. When you, as a person, stand barefoot on the earth, your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So everything in the body's electrical, your brain, your muscles, your, every cell, everything that takes place in your body is electric, electrons moving around.

Lewis Howes 1:01 Okay.

Clint Ober 1:01 When you ground to earth, then your body is negative.

Lewis Howes 1:05 When your feet are barefoot on the ground, your body is negative.

Clint Ober 1:08 Yeah, your body absorbs, equalizes with the earth.

Lewis Howes 1:11 When it's not on the ground, then what happens?

Clint Ober 1:14 Then you're, then you start depleting your free electrons. But anyhow, so grounding, did I answer the question well enough?

Lewis Howes 1:21 I think so, yes.

Clint Ober 1:21 Yeah, just very simply, when you're standing barefoot on the earth, you are one and the same with the earth, electrically speaking.

Lewis Howes 1:27 Gotcha.

Clint Ober 1:27 You're grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:28 You're negative, right?

Clint Ober 1:29 You're at earth potential. I intuitively ask myself, I wonder if there's any consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:37 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:38 That's not a question that anybody in the world would probably ask unless they had installed m- or been involved with installing millions of ground rods, uh, in the cable industry. Because any time you run a cable into the house, you have to drive a ground rod, cut the cable, put it in a ground block, and then, so that if there's lightning or static or anything on the cable lines or an electrical event, then it goes to ground rather than goes into the house-

Lewis Howes 2:04 And-

Clint Ober 2:04 ... and blows up a TV-

Lewis Howes 2:06 Wow

Clint Ober 2:06 ... or creates a fire in the home. So and it's all about fire, so inflammation, inflame, fire. We'll get to that later. But anyhow, I didn't know, and most people are unaware, so just lifting my arm up like this will create static electricity, you see, if I'm not grounded. And, and we live in environments where we're not grounded.

Lewis Howes 2:27 Sure.

Clint Ober 2:28 So anyhow, I, um, I, I found that in the bedroom especially, there was really high voltage that some of my body charges. Well, you know, you got a foam bed, static electricity from the foam, the, any polyester type in the blankets you're covering. And so you pull your feet up like this and it looks like there's a lightning storm.

Lewis Howes 2:45 Ah, yeah, exactly.

Clint Ober 2:47 Okay, so I didn't, I just, my mind focused on this and I said... And then when I... So when I did that, I went down to the hardware store, bought a roll of three-inch wide metal duct tape like you'd wrap around furnaces. And I laid it across the, uh, bed, connected a wire to it, threw it out the window, connected it to a ground rod. Did the same thing with a meter. So I knew that when I laid on it, that I would be grounded.

Lewis Howes 3:20 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 3:20 And I would hold the meter and confirm that. Well, the first night that I did that, I, um, woke up the next morning-

Lewis Howes 3:30 Mm

Clint Ober 3:30 ... and the meter was laying down by my side. And I was like 54, something like that, 55. And I had, I was a cowboy. I had every kind of ache and pain you could think of-

Lewis Howes 3:47 Mm

Clint Ober 3:48 ... from all the crazy stuff I did when I was young. I skied for over 30 years. I played tennis. I've done everything that you can imagine that you can injure yourself with, and I had all the injuries, so I had a lot of pain in my body. And so for me to go to sleep normally, I had to take Advil-

Lewis Howes 4:03 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 4:03 ... or something. And, um, so but anyhow, that night I just fell asleep.

Lewis Howes 4:10 Wow.

Clint Ober 4:10 And the meter was down bes- by my side. And I woke up in the morning and I said, I was kinda startled, and I said, "What in the world? There's something going on here." But I couldn't figure out what it was.

Lewis Howes 4:20 So did you take Advil that night, or you-

Clint Ober 4:22 No

Lewis Howes 4:22 ... you just-

Clint Ober 4:23 I was playing. I was just, just assuming that there was, um, I was just playing with the meter and then I just fell asleep.

Lewis Howes 4:30 Fell asleep.

Clint Ober 4:30 I was laying there on the wire and testing myself, uh, and-

Lewis Howes 4:34 You had a re- a relaxed sleep? It was a-

Clint Ober 4:36 Yeah, I fell asleep and I woke up in the morning and the meter's beside me. And I, I, normallly that's just a rare experience.

Lewis Howes 4:42 Wow, interesting.

Clint Ober 4:42 And that just, um, so I didn't really understand. I said, "Well, there's something here because I'm, I, you know, I fell asleep without having to take the Advil." And so I did that for a couple, three nights and I said, "Wow, this, there is something here." And so I had a couple of friends that I, acquaintances, older guys, and I said, "You know, you guys gotta try this. Nobody sleeps well. There's, nobody sleeps well." [laughs] And I said, "You're gonna try this." I said, "It's fun, you know, just do it." So they went along with me, and a couple days later, one of the guys come over and he said, "Do you think this could be helping my arthritis?" And he said, "Well, my arthritis is way down"-

Lewis Howes 5:17 Wow

Clint Ober 5:18 ... in, in his hands. I mean, he had severe arthritis. And I, I didn't think too much about it then. I thought, "Wow, you know, my pain's way down."

Lewis Howes 5:24 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 5:26 And I said, "I don't know what's going on here." So back then, all I had was AOL and a, um, and there was not really any- You had to go to Nexis Lexis data retrieval in order to-

Lewis Howes 5:39 Ah

Clint Ober 5:39 ... try to search for data. Couldn't find anything. Went down to, uh, University of Arizona and visited with a couple people there.

Lewis Howes 5:49 No one gave you the information?

Clint Ober 5:50 There's no information out there. There's nothing out there that says, "Ground your body to reduce pain," or, "Grounding reduces", or, "Grounding affects the body", except when you have cardiovascular, I mean- ... uh, open heart surgery, they have to ground the body to prevent static electricity from creating a sta-

Lewis Howes 6:06 Mm

Clint Ober 6:06 ... a cardio event. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 6:08 Interesting.

Clint Ober 6:09 Uh, so it was just totally unknown. And then, other than that cable industry, I mean, in the telephone, cable, power, every industry is, it's about y- you ground everything to maintain electrical stability and to prevent charge or to prevent fire.

Lewis Howes 6:28 Okay.

Clint Ober 6:29 So that's where I, the, so I, I didn't know, I didn't know where to go. And I was just, you know, I, I, I had no background in biology.

Lewis Howes 6:39 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 6:39 Had significant background in electrical. So anyhow, I ended up, after a while, I got, I couldn't find, I couldn't make any progress, so I said, "Well, I'll go out to UCLA. Those guys know everything." You know, it's a big, a big university. So I went out there and I ended up connecting with the sleep lab, and I said, "Well, we need to do a study." Uh, I told them what I was doing and, and anyhow they said, "You mean to tell us that if we put a, put a nail in the ground, tie a wire around it, and then tie, tie that wire around somebody's toe or something, they're gonna sleep better?" I said, "Well, yeah." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 7:15 [laughs]

Clint Ober 7:15 And they said, "No." He says, "You're nuts. Get out of here."

Lewis Howes 7:18 Wow.

Clint Ober 7:18 "You're nuts. Uh, you're crazy." And so anyhow, we joked around a little bit and, uh, carried on a conversation, but they knew nothing about electrical. Body's not electrical. They don't know the cause of pain. You can go to the medical libraries, whatever, and look up the cause of pain, the cause of lupus, cause of MS, cause of all these, cause unknown. They treat the symptoms, but they do not know the cause.

Lewis Howes 7:42 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 7:42 Or if they do know the cause, it's not in the literature. This was back 20-some years ago. So anyhow, after that, I, a couple of the students that were there, um, they were intrigued a little bit, but because they needed to do PhDs and, you know, do their dissertations and so on.

Lewis Howes 8:00 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 8:01 So anyhow, I talked to a couple of them and got them to help me design a study.

Lewis Howes 8:04 Mm.

Clint Ober 8:05 'Cause everybody said, "Well, you gotta have more proof than-

Lewis Howes 8:07 Right

Clint Ober 8:07 ... what I had." And I said, "Fine." So I went, I ended up going up to Ventura, California, and, uh, they helped me write a study, and we said we'd... And then they told us we had to get 60 subjects, and then I had to design a mechanism to ground people for 30 days or whatever, and then I had to have it so half of them were grounded and half of them, so it looks, it was bli- a blind study.

Lewis Howes 8:31 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 8:32 And so then we had to get the subjects. That was the hard part. So it was really hard to get anybody to do a study.

Clint Ober 8:39 So I ended up one day getting my hair cut, and I heard a couple ladies talking about pain and can't sleep. I said, "Well, that's who I need," you know?

Lewis Howes 8:46 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 8:46 So afterwards, I went to the lady who owned the salon, and I said, "You know, I, I'm doing a study, and I need to find people who wanna participate, and it's about pain and sleep." And she looks at me and she says, "Honey, how many people do you need?" [laughs] And so she started gathering up subjects, and then I went to a few of the other hair salons, beauty salons-

Lewis Howes 9:06 And asking them, oh

Clint Ober 9:07 ... and asked them. And they, and, you know, they kind of all know each other, and so we ended up with s- 60-

Lewis Howes 9:12 [laughs]

Clint Ober 9:13 ... subjects that were not related, not knowing to each other. And so we, over a period of a month or two, we, we insta- we grounded, 30 of them were grounded, 30 of them were not grounded.

Lewis Howes 9:25 But they were told they were all grounded.

Clint Ober 9:26 Yes.

Lewis Howes 9:26 The placebo.

Clint Ober 9:27 They, well, they didn't really know what-

Lewis Howes 9:28 Yeah

Clint Ober 9:28 ... was going on. And, um, it was about does this affect your pain and does this affect your sleep and so on. So anyhow, we did study, and we had significant results.

Lewis Howes 9:40 Really?

Clint Ober 9:40 The, it was an anecdotal study. It wasn't a, you know, gold standard whatever, but it was an- it was enough information, uh, to provide inter- in- to create interest. And so what happened, everybody slept better, everybody felt better, everybody had less pain. But m- more interesting was the ladies who had PMS issues, they didn't have the PMS issues when they were grounded.

Lewis Howes 10:02 Hmm.

Clint Ober 10:03 People who had TMJ, the TMJ started to disappear.

Lewis Howes 10:06 Oh.

Clint Ober 10:07 And so there was a host of different issues.

Lewis Howes 10:10 Was this everyone, even the ones that weren't grounded?

Clint Ober 10:13 No. This was the-

Lewis Howes 10:14 The ones who were grounded?

Clint Ober 10:16 Yeah, there was about, uh, there was, like, yeah, there was, I mean, the study is pub- it's a published study. It's at the earthinginstitute.net. And, um, so anyhow, um, yeah, there was a, th- there was a significant result. The majority, you know, like 80% of the people had-

Lewis Howes 10:32 Hmm

Clint Ober 10:32 ... improvements.

Lewis Howes 10:33 Wow.

Clint Ober 10:34 Where the placebo group, maybe 10, 20%.

Lewis Howes 10:37 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 10:37 You know, like a normal thing, which I didn't know anything about any of this. I wasn't, I knew nothing about studies, any of the... But I learned everything along the way. [laughs] So anyhow, um, after that study was done, we, we learned a couple of things. One of the first things we learned was we thought it was all these electric fields and the static electricity that was causing a problem. But in that study, one day, I was given two people to go out and install. I went to this one home, and the, it was an elderly guy, maybe 75, 80, and he had just had a heart surgery.

Lewis Howes 11:09 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 11:10 And he just looked terrible. And anyhow, went into his bedroom. It was an adobe home, a brick floor. Only one lamp in there, and it was across the room from the bed. The bed was metal frame on, on a brick floor, so there was no EMF, no static electricity, nothing to speak of.

Lewis Howes 11:31 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 11:32 Um, and so I said, "Well, this is a waste of a pad. This is really unfortunate, but can't do anything about it." So then that afternoon, I went to another person across town in Ventura, and she was like an 80-year-old, I mean, a, a woman. But she had flaring arthritis in each wrist. She couldn't hold the meter so I could, so I could do the test and make sure everything-

Lewis Howes 11:54 Wow

Clint Ober 11:55 ... was working properly. So after I was talking to her son, who was kind of there making sure everything was okay- And carrying on the conversation with him, but she was sitting there. In order for me to do the measure, I put a patch on this hand that was connected to a ground, a patch over here that was connected to a meter so I could measure and make sure she was grounded when she was on the pad, or the pad was working and so on. And then all of a sudden she said, "Well, this, this ... It's not working over here."

Lewis Howes 12:23 Mm.

Clint Ober 12:24 "This one's working, this one's not." I didn't know what she was talking about. And then all of a sudden I realized that the grounded cord, she s- she was getting, she was feeling something with the arthritis. And so I took and swapped the cords from the meter to the ground cor- the ground rod, and then all of a sudden she, uh, said, "Okay, now it's working over here." And this is within five minutes. And I said, "Wow, there's something going on here." So I didn't really know, so I-

Lewis Howes 12:49 Like, she felt less pain?

Clint Ober 12:51 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 12:51 There was a-

Clint Ober 12:51 The pain, the hot burning pain was coming down.

Lewis Howes 12:54 Interesting.

Clint Ober 12:54 The arthritic, that flaring Vicodin type pain.

Lewis Howes 12:57 Went down, wow.

Clint Ober 12:59 And this is only in, like, five, 10 minutes. And so I thought, "Wow." So I got it all finished up and everything. On the way home, I stopped at the, um, you know, the, uh, s- um, medical supply house and, and bought some electrode patches 'cause I was running low, and I went out and I gave them to a few people that I knew who had arthritis and, uh, uh, bursitis or whatever problems. And I said, "Just take this and try it and call me tomorrow and tell me what, what you experience." So over the next two days, they all called, and two or three times I heard the word magic pain patch.

Lewis Howes 13:32 Really?

Clint Ober 13:33 That it, it made pain just disappear in, in just, you know, minutes. And I thought, "Wow, this is really interesting." But the bottom line was-

Lewis Howes 13:45 Mm

Clint Ober 13:45 ... when the study was done and they had brought in the final surveys of these two people, they both had the same results. One had no static electricity, no EMF, nothing. This other lady had horrific EMF and a horrific static because of all the stuff she had around her bed and so on, but they both had the same result. And I said, "Wait a minute, there's something amiss here." Then I began to put two and two together, then did a lot of testing, and then I realized it was just being connected to the Earth. It was being grounded to the Earth. It wasn't the environmental stressors, it was just being grounded to the Earth. S- so what happens when you're grounded to the Earth? Then you're at ground pot- you're at Earth potential, meaning you equalize with the Earth. The reason we ground everything to the Earth is to prevent fire-

Lewis Howes 14:32 [laughs]

Clint Ober 14:33 ... or to prevent an electrical event.

Clint Ober 14:36 Okay, at that time, the word inflammation was not in the o- English language. I mean, it was not ... It was ... This is before, you know, back in 2000. There were no papers on inflammation. The inflammation was not a word.

Lewis Howes 14:50 Yeah.

Clint Ober 14:50 So the word inflame, uh, his body means on fire. In- you know, the house is ... You know, inflammation is on fire.

Lewis Howes 14:58 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 14:58 House is on fire, body's on fire. But back then, it was just the pain. We didn't know what inflammation was.

Lewis Howes 15:04 Right.

Clint Ober 15:05 Okay, so, so anyhow, everybody's pain came down and, um, so I didn't know what to do. I didn't ... So I ended up meeting a, a anesthesiologist. He'd just retired and he was in San Diego, and he says, "I'm interested in what you're doing. I don't believe there's anything to it, but, uh, I'd like to test it." And I ... And he said, "I think you're wrong, but let's do a test."

Lewis Howes 15:30 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 15:31 So we got to, we put together, I forget what it was, 10, 12 subjects, and we measured cortisol, saliva cortisol every t- four hours for 24 hours so you could have a profile. And, um, and we did this on each subject, grounded them, heart rate variability, all that kind of stuff, and then grounded them for a month with just a little 12 inch by 24 inch ground mat that we would use for, uh, ESD or [laughs] to prevent static charges when you're working on electronics.

Lewis Howes 16:07 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 16:07 So they would test the cortisol saliva every four hours-

Lewis Howes 16:10 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 16:11 ... for 24 hours, so we have pre- pre-grounding and post-grounding cortisol profile. So, and again, there's a study on the Earthing Institute and, um, but the cortisol before was like spaghetti. You know, it was, they were not, they were not coordinated. Now, these people didn't know each other and they weren't related to each other, but they were spread out throughout San Diego, except for a couple, three nurse or, uh, flight attendants-

Lewis Howes 16:35 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 16:35 ... who we had to take out of the study because their cortisol was three hours off of San Diego. So we learned-

Lewis Howes 16:41 Got it

Clint Ober 16:41 ... a lot there. So anyhow, what happened was, um, at, at the end of the, when we did the profile at the end, uh, we, we, before everything looked kinda like spaghetti. The cortisol was high at night and low in the morning, and afterwards they all went into a synchronized, uh, secretion profile. So it was lowest at midnight. At 4:00 AM it would skyrocket to about 6:00 AM. That's what gives you the energy to get out of bed, and then throughout the day it would drift back down to zero.

Lewis Howes 17:13 Mm. Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 17:14 Where before it was just, uh ... So the younger women had, they had high cortisol profiles, um, because of chronic stress and so on.

Lewis Howes 17:24 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 17:25 And the older women who had chronic fatigue or those kind of things that I didn't know how to pronounce back then, um, exhausted adrenals-

Lewis Howes 17:33 Ah

Clint Ober 17:33 ... their cortisol was very low. And afterwards, everybody's cortisol just went into a nice synchronized band. Everybody slept better, they had less pain, they felt better, and they had more energy.

Lewis Howes 17:43 Mm.

Clint Ober 17:44 So can't have charge in a grounded object.

Lewis Howes 17:47 Okay, interesting. Okay.

Clint Ober 17:49 So-

Lewis Howes 17:49 And what does the, I guess, what does the science say when it comes to walking barefoot to help you heal the body or reduce chronic inflammation then?

Clint Ober 17:59 Okay. Well, we learned along the way that if you ground somebody that has flaring arthritis, put an electrode patch here and p- put a coil cord on, connect it to an, to a ground- The pain goes away-

Lewis Howes 18:12 Wow

Clint Ober 18:12 ... in five, 10 minutes. Now, nobody will believe this. Nobody listening to this will believe this whatsoever until they experience it. Then they say, "Oh my God, why didn't somebody tell me about this earlier?" [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:24 [laughs]

Clint Ober 18:25 In 1960, we have to start there, 1960, before then, we were either barefoot or we wore leather sole shoes. Leather sole shoes are semiconductor. You know, they hold moisture. They hold perspiration, body salts. You know, the leather does, and so they're conductive. Um, [clears throat] but in 1960, we... So before then, barefoot was common.

Lewis Howes 18:48 Really?

Clint Ober 18:48 At 78 years old, I mean, I r- I was born in '44, so [clears throat] up until, you know, 19- early '60s, uh, you only wore shoes. I, I'm from rural Montana too, by the way. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 19:04 Right, you're on a farm, on a ranch. Yeah, yeah.

Clint Ober 19:06 But you, you wore leather shoes to work and when you needed them. But generally, [clears throat] when you got off from, out of school, you lose the shoes for the summer. First thing that you did when school was over, you lost your shoes.

Lewis Howes 19:19 You're barefoot in the house, you're barefoot outside.

Clint Ober 19:21 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 19:21 You're running from inside to outside barefoot.

Clint Ober 19:23 Right. So barefoot was common, and if it rained and you were wearing shoes, you had to take the shoes off and carry them so they didn't get wet.

Lewis Howes 19:31 Right.

Clint Ober 19:31 Otherwise, the water would make them shrink up and gnarly. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 19:34 Interesting.

Clint Ober 19:34 And you couldn't get them. So shoes were, um, you wore them on purpose.

Lewis Howes 19:38 Huh. Not all the time.

Clint Ober 19:40 No, you didn't wear shoes all the time. You wore them on purpose.

Lewis Howes 19:42 Wow.

Clint Ober 19:43 And you weren't allowed to wear shoes in the house back then. Um, a dog can come into the house sometimes or a baby calf could come in the house and you keep them warm, but, [laughs] but not shoes.

Lewis Howes 19:53 Wow.

Clint Ober 19:54 So, so anyhow, [clears throat] 1960 is when we invented plastics.

Lewis Howes 19:58 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 19:59 The first thing we did was put them on the soles of shoes and created those ugly green shag carpets, green, yellow, orange, and kinda reddish shag carpets, and everybody carpeted their homes and started wearing rubber sole shoes. Now, they were really great because now everybody could afford shoes. You didn't have to worry about water, and they were inexpensive. And, uh, and, and carpets were, finally now everybody could afford carpeting. Before, it was wool carpeting, wood floors and wool carpeting. And, uh, [clears throat] or linoleum-type stuff. But anyhow, in 1960, we started to lose our ground. Television came along, we started spending more time indoors watching TV-

Lewis Howes 20:42 Mm

Clint Ober 20:42 ... less time outdoors and play. Um, [clears throat] when we did go outdoors, we had shoes on. And in, in, and, uh, so [clears throat] over the next 60 years, now 95% of all shoes sold are plastic-soled, synthetic-sole shoes. And everybody lives on the computer or TV, and nobody goes outdoors anymore. And if you wanted to go outdoors and get grounded, where would you go? Where would... [laughs] Unless you have a home that's got a yard-

Lewis Howes 21:14 Yeah

Clint Ober 21:14 ... which is rare nowadays in many cases. Um, parks are more for pets and stuff than, uh... So it's, [clears throat] so it's an odd thing that happened. So over the last 60 years, we lost our ground. We lost our negative charge.

Lewis Howes 21:28 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 21:29 So anyhow, I had not a clue of any of this at the time, so this was the story. For 20 years, we have produced 25, 30 peer-reviewed published studies on this subject. They're all at the earthinginstitute.net. Uh, we've writ- produced a couple of videos, movies. Um, um, The Earthing Movie, which is, you know, on, um, YouTube, and, and a host of others. Uh, we have a book that we've never really fully marketed, but it's sold over a million copies so far. It's published in 24 different language, you know, The Earthing Book. The most, the, The Earthing: The Most Important Health Discovery Ever. The reason that we can say that is because what's in it is free.

Lewis Howes 22:14 Yeah. [laughs]

Clint Ober 22:15 Um, and it's important.

Lewis Howes 22:17 It's a rediscovery.

Clint Ober 22:18 It's, yeah, it's a observation, you know?

Lewis Howes 22:20 Yeah, yeah.

Clint Ober 22:22 And, [clears throat] yeah, we didn't know until after we wrote that book anything. We couldn't find anything. But then lit- I mean, we started fi- finding information from Europe and from around the world-

Lewis Howes 22:31 Wow

Clint Ober 22:32 ... where 100 years ago, um, Adolf Just had discovered the same thing and other people, but it never stayed with them, you know, never gained ground. I was at a convention in San Diego with, uh, Dr. Galli, who had helped do the cortisol study, and Dr. Stephen Sinatra, who was a cardiologist back east, came out, and he was at this convention, and Galli said, "We need to go visit with him because he's a cardiologist. The heart's electrical, so he would understand what we're talking about." So [clears throat] we did schedule some time with Stephen. He came out. I told him what we were doing, and he said, "Clint," he said, "if you're, if you're affecting pain," he says, "you need to be studying inflammation, because pain is a byproduct of inflammation." [laughs] But the word inflammation was not in the literature. Uh, I mean, it was to some people, I mean, the research and so on. So anyhow, I didn't know what to make of that because inflammation to me was you twist an ankle, like playing tennis, and it swells up like a balloon, and you're just in miserable pain for a couple of days.

Lewis Howes 23:37 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 23:37 And, uh, he said, "No, that's not what we're talking about." He said, "This is, you know, a chronic low-grade inflammation." And so I took it from there, [clears throat] and I started doing more research, and then finally I came across, you know, how the immune system works. You know, the immune system, you have white blood cells, neutrophils, macrophages and so on. So if you have a pathogen or an injury or a cell that needs to be, you know, damaged cell that needs to be replaced, or a worn out cell, [clears throat] the immune system will send a neutrophil over, and it's kind of a s- jelly-like cell, and it will encapsulate the pathogen- Or the damaged cell, and then it releases what we call reactive oxygen species.

Lewis Howes 24:23 Mm.

Clint Ober 24:24 As soon as I heard the word reactive, then for some reason [laughs] I had, had a clue. This means it's an electrical. Reactive means it's, uh, electrically charged, and it has a strong enough charge that it can pull an electron away from a pathogen and destroy it, kill it. It's gone.

Lewis Howes 24:44 Wow.

Clint Ober 24:45 So that was the first clue. Then I started, and-

Lewis Howes 24:50 Mm

Clint Ober 24:50 ... this was all cowboy logic. You know, you just-

Lewis Howes 24:53 [laughs]

Clint Ober 24:53 ... take a step forward here and a step forward here-

Lewis Howes 24:55 Sure, sure

Clint Ober 24:55 ... two steps backward. And I couldn't get any help from the docs or the, you know, they're, they just, nobody understood this. This was just too bizarre, and nobody wanted to put their name with take your shoes off, you know [laughs] and get grounded. No, it, it just didn't appeal. So but anyhow, as time went on, uh, we went to the next study and so on. But, but along the way, I was able to put together that, okay, when you ground yourself to the Earth, um, assume it's like a garden hose with water, you know, the, the ground wire. So it's, it's, electrons are pulling up the w- coming up the wire by force because equalizes, everything is gonna equalize. It's in contact with the Earth. So then if you have a pad there, a ground pad, and you're laying on it, then it's gonna be grounded. Then when you lay on it, you're gonna be grounded.

Lewis Howes 25:48 Mm.

Clint Ober 25:48 Or if we put a patch in your hand, then you're grounded. So it's like cutting, uh, you know, cutting a hole there and pouring water in. So it's like electrons pouring into the body and the body equalizing, and as long, as soon as the body becomes negative, then it stops all the inflammation. It just stops it.

Lewis Howes 26:08 And the, and the pain, and the pain stops.

Clint Ober 26:09 And the pain stops.

Lewis Howes 26:10 Wow.

Clint Ober 26:10 When the pain stops, you know the inflammation has stopped.

Clint Ober 26:13 And so to, uh, you know, a story that really r- helps explain it is in the early days, the only people I could get for subjects were the rheumatologists would give me, uh, ladies with MS or lupus or fibromyalgia, and 'cause they can't help these people. They said, "Here, you can have them. Try-"

Lewis Howes 26:36 Yeah. [laughs] "Try whatever you want. Try your woo-woo science on all of them," right? [laughs]

Clint Ober 26:38 Yeah, you can entertain them for a while.

Lewis Howes 26:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Clint Ober 26:40 Just give me the concept. And so I did, I started grounding these women, and I, as time went on, it got to the point where I could take a woman with MS, and I remember one came in one day in a study we were doing down in San Diego, and she had to hold her ha- hand like this, um, because if she let go, then it would, you know, wander all over. And, and she had pain, and she was totally stressed. And anyhow, we couldn't... She wanted to be in one of our study, and we said, "You know, you can't be in the study," because of she had to get up and go to the bathroom every 20 minutes-

Lewis Howes 27:13 Mm

Clint Ober 27:14 ... or those kind of things. That's what she said. So I, because she came there and went to the trouble to c- you know, travel and, and be there, I said, "Here, I'm going to ground you for a while, and I'll give you some things you can take home and play with, and it may be of value to you." So anyhow, we put her in the chair and, and I put patches on her arms and whatever, and, you know, she was kinda moving around, but she was interested. Her color started to change. Her d- you know, her, uh, started to pink up.

Lewis Howes 27:41 Mm.

Clint Ober 27:42 Her s- demeanor started to calm down, and she just kept talking. And all of a sudden, it had been like 40 minutes or so, and she didn't have to get up and go to the restroom. So I went to, and I asked her, I said, "You need to go to the restroom?" She said, "No, I'm okay." And so about an hour later, we had to get back to work on what we were doing. But, but at that time, this loss of control, s- you know, it settled down. It all stopped.

Lewis Howes 28:11 Mm. Wow.

Clint Ober 28:12 And, and then she did have to go to the bathroom before she left, so she took the patch off, and she went to the restroom, came back out, and she was almost in tears. She says, "Look at me. I'm like my, like my old self." I mean, her color, her energy came back. Her pain's down. Her demeanor changed. But most of all, and she wasn't even talking about her arm, but she was able to move it, but she still had, you know, the damage that was done. And so as time went on, uh, I could go on for a long time on, on those ladies, but, but as time went on, I could, it got to the point where I could tell a woman after she had been grounded for five, 10 minutes, I could honestly say, "You no longer have MS."

Lewis Howes 28:53 Wow.

Clint Ober 28:54 "What you have is damage from MS."

Lewis Howes 28:58 After years of it, and now you've got that.

Clint Ober 29:00 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 29:00 Yeah.

Clint Ober 29:02 And how you'll recover from that is unknown to me, uh, although there is recovery.

Lewis Howes 29:07 Sure.

Clint Ober 29:07 Um, healing, 'cause the body's a self-healing mechanism, is you put the fire out, stop the inflammation, then it can heal.

Lewis Howes 29:13 Start to heal, yeah.

Clint Ober 29:16 But anyhow, I said, "As long as you're grounded, you no longer have MS. You can't have MS when you're grounded because the body's flooded with free electrons. And so now when the neutrophils are in there taking care of those damaged cells that were part of the myelin sheath which caused this problem, then that stops." I mean, the, because y-

Lewis Howes 29:37 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 29:38 ... the free electrons are reducing those reactive oxygen species, the remaining ones-

Lewis Howes 29:42 Wow

Clint Ober 29:42 ... and it just stops it dead. Um, now this really sounds bizarre, and everybody's gonna go out and put their hands on the grass, is what I want them to do. [laughs] Um, but anyhow, so that's where I, I mean, that's how confident, you know, I became, and I know this, no matter what, whether it's lupus or MS or any kind of a flaring disease, you know, arthritis, bursitis, you name it, if it's an itis, that means it's inflammation.

Lewis Howes 30:11 So it puts out the fire. You might still have the remnants of the, the, the challenge that you're faced with if you had it for years, right? If you're- If your arms are, you know, getting cramped or your hands are getting deformed or whatever it might be from the disease of the inflammation-

Clint Ober 30:26 Yep

Lewis Howes 30:26 ... constantly for years, that may need time to heal. There might be pain there-

Clint Ober 30:30 Mm

Lewis Howes 30:30 ... but not the type of sharp pain, right?

Clint Ober 30:32 You, you're not gonna have the hot, burning pain.

Lewis Howes 30:33 Mm.

Clint Ober 30:33 If it's hot, burning pain, it's inflammation. If-

Lewis Howes 30:36 Wow

Clint Ober 30:36 ... if it's still leave-me-alone pain, that's healing pain.

Lewis Howes 30:39 S-

Clint Ober 30:39 That's normal

Lewis Howes 30:39 ... so how easy is it to ground yourself, and how long does the grounding last for?

Clint Ober 30:45 It's cumulative. If I ground somebody for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, they're gonna get a sensation like their blood viscosity's gonna normalize, the thickness of their blood, because as soon as you ground the person, their blood before is thick and sticky.

Lewis Howes 31:02 Mm.

Clint Ober 31:02 That's why so many people are on blood thinners and so on.

Lewis Howes 31:04 Wow.

Clint Ober 31:06 Um, so as soon as you ground them, their little red blood cells, they are, they have an electrical surface charge, so they equalize with the Earth. So now they have a negative charge, and, and, and the more negative the red blood cells become, they now repel each other like little negative magnets.

Lewis Howes 31:21 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 31:21 Now the blood gets thin and they c- and, and rather than sticky, and then it can get in and out of the capillaries, oxygenate the tissue, get rid of the inflammation, return the body [laughs] to normal. But, you know-

Lewis Howes 31:34 So 30 minutes is a good amount of time, or how long should someone-

Clint Ober 31:37 Yeah, 30, 30 minutes will get you down the road, will give you enough information to know, wow, there's something going on here.

Lewis Howes 31:43 For, and it'll last for what, a day, a half a day, or-

Clint Ober 31:46 I- it depends. I've grounded people who had, um, who had a chronic knee inflammation-type thing, arthritic-type, and they grounded them for 30 minutes, and they got up and, and that pain went away forever.

Lewis Howes 31:59 Wow.

Clint Ober 32:00 Uh, people who have MS-

Lewis Howes 32:01 Phew

Clint Ober 32:01 ... and certain things, no, they've got a challenge ahead.

Lewis Howes 32:05 Right, right.

Clint Ober 32:05 You know, and so on. Uh-

Lewis Howes 32:06 They've got to heal.

Clint Ober 32:07 [clears throat]

Lewis Howes 32:07 What's the difference between, and the benefits between walking barefoot on dirt, laying on your back in the grass, or putting your hands on the ground? Is there different benefits-

Clint Ober 32:19 Uh-

Lewis Howes 32:19 ... to these techniques?

Clint Ober 32:20 I wanna share one thing with you first.

Lewis Howes 32:21 Yeah, go ahead.

Clint Ober 32:23 Animals that live in the wild, they're grounded 24/7.

Lewis Howes 32:26 Right. [laughs] Right. They're, they live on the Earth.

Clint Ober 32:29 They, they live on the Earth. They, they don't have cardiovascular disease-

Lewis Howes 32:32 [laughs]

Clint Ober 32:32 ... lupus, MS, arthritis. They don't have... I mean, cancer rarely exists-

Lewis Howes 32:38 Uh-huh

Clint Ober 32:38 ... in nature. The only animals that die from cancer in nature are because we've contaminated or destroyed their, their ecosystem, their environment.

Lewis Howes 32:48 Right. It's more like cats and dogs die because they're in the house.

Clint Ober 32:52 Okay, so all the animals who live indoors with their owners manifest similar health disorders as their owners-

Lewis Howes 33:00 Wow

Clint Ober 33:00 ... which is everything from diabetes to you name it. Diabetes is a inflammation-related health disorder. Um, autism is, but that's not related to cats and stuff. But anyhow, so, but 50% of all these indoor animals, domestic animals, die from cancer just like their owners. So this is environment, so it's about being connected to the Earth 24/7. You can't have these health disorders. So [clears throat] mm.

Lewis Howes 33:27 Mm.

Clint Ober 33:27 In nature, your feet are the most conductive. We know this just by measuring. Uh, the palms of your hand and the bottom of your feet are the most conductive. Well, those are your ground paws. Uh, we probably were on all fours at one time, or we were using our hands forever to touch green, living-

Lewis Howes 33:46 Mm

Clint Ober 33:46 ... plants and-

Lewis Howes 33:47 Plants, trees-

Clint Ober 33:47 ... whatever

Lewis Howes 33:48 ... everything else. Yeah.

Clint Ober 33:48 And so we were all naturally grounded, but these are the most conductive, and your body's always gonna have, um, you know, autoimmune respon- I mean, immune response. You know, the, uh, the immune cascade. So you're going to have oxidative radicals in your body to reduce pathogens or to reduce damaged cell. The, the s- y- you, if you don't have redox potential or enough free electrons to reduce those remaining radicals left over from an oxidative burst, then that's what causes inflammation. Inflammation doesn't exist in, in nature.

Lewis Howes 34:25 Wow.

Clint Ober 34:25 Couldn't get here if that were the case. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 34:27 Right.

Clint Ober 34:28 You need to get grounded and stay grounded until the pain goes away, because then y- you don't need to run tests. You don't need to go to a lab. You don't need to do anything. When the pain stops, then you know the inflammation stopped, 'cause you can't have the pain without inflammation.

Lewis Howes 34:41 Mm.

Clint Ober 34:41 But if you have pain, you do have inflammation.

Lewis Howes 34:45 So it might take 30 minutes, might take an hour, your hands and feet on the ground.

Clint Ober 34:49 Yes.

Lewis Howes 34:49 Is it grass better? Is it touching plants? Is it touching dirt? Is it sand?

Clint Ober 34:54 I, I try to j-

Lewis Howes 34:54 Is it water? Does it matter?

Clint Ober 34:56 I, I try to tell everybody, you know, what's better? It, it really doesn't matter if, 'cause you're not grounding an electrical system. You're grounding a human body, and Earth potential, and the Earth has a universal ground.

Lewis Howes 35:09 What about the sand or the ocean? Is it-

Clint Ober 35:10 Okay, if you, sand, if you just kick away an inch of it, it's wet. It's damp. I mean, there's always moisture. Um, so-

Lewis Howes 35:18 You wanna be in the wet sand, is what you're saying, or in the ocean. Is that-

Clint Ober 35:22 I- no. That, I mean, if you're there, that's great.

Lewis Howes 35:24 Yeah, yeah.

Clint Ober 35:25 You're gonna be well-grounded. Uh, but it's, you're gonna be grounded if you're out in Palm Springs and-

Lewis Howes 35:29 Mm

Clint Ober 35:30 ... you know, sitting on, sitting under a palm tree with you just... There's moisture in all sand. It holds moisture-

Lewis Howes 35:35 Uh-huh

Clint Ober 35:36 ... because it's rock, and you have nighttime condensation evaporate, so there's moisture everywhere. Uh, it's going to be better. If, if you have a grass yard, I tell everybody, and, and I, if we have time, I'd like to tell you about the MS ladies a little bit. But, but if I can convince you to go out and just sit on the Earth, put your bare feet on the Earth and your bare hands on the Earth, that's great. If you can't do that, then take a chair out, take your shoes off, and at least put your feet on the Earth-

Lewis Howes 36:06 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 36:06 ... and just sit there until you, your respiration's going to calm down. Your O2 saturation's gonna come up.

Lewis Howes 36:13 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 36:13 Your color's gonna come up because of the, the blood's gonna, uh, you know, blood viscosity's gonna normalize, and your pain's going to diminish, and the, the d- the, the, the pain going down, that's the inflammation. You're reducing the inflammation in your body. When you have no pain left in your body, you can still have pain left, but that would be the healing pain.

Lewis Howes 36:34 Ah.

Clint Ober 36:35 But if you have burning pain or oxidative, that pain will, will, will-

Lewis Howes 36:40 Will go away

Clint Ober 36:40 ... that'll go away.

Lewis Howes 36:41 What, what do we, what are we missing out on by wearing shoes all the time and not being connected between, you know, and having-

Clint Ober 36:48 Well-

Lewis Howes 36:48 ... this barrier between ourselves?

Clint Ober 36:49 Whenever you're grounded, you can't have inflammation. When you're not grounded, then you start losing your redox potential or your, you bleed off your free electrons just by breathing oxygen or eating food or, you know, all these environmental stressors can affect. So eventually, you become short of electrons, you become a little bit gaunt or gray, your energy drops, [laughs] you know-

Lewis Howes 37:14 Wow

Clint Ober 37:14 ... fatigue, and so on. And, and then, but if it goes on too long and you don't recover, and you go to bed all charged up with all this damage, then in the morning you get up and you're stiff, and you can't get out of bed. You don't have energy, and you have to have coffee to wake up and so on and so on.

Lewis Howes 37:34 And you're building on that. And how does, does grounding support with extending your lifespan?

Clint Ober 37:41 Well, we did a, a rat study. Uh, we took... This was done in Canada, uh, at, uh, up in, in, uh, Alberta. And, um, w- we took, I think there were 60 breeder rats, and normally they would u- they would have their litters and they would euthanize them afterwards. And so what I wanted to do, I said, "You know, we want to take these rats and let them live out their life, and we wanna monitor them."

Lewis Howes 38:14 Mm.

Clint Ober 38:15 30 of them in cages that are grounded, 30 of them in cages that are not grounded. Okay.

Lewis Howes 38:21 Huh.

Clint Ober 38:22 So-

Lewis Howes 38:23 What happened?

Clint Ober 38:25 At the end, the grounded rats, or the ungrounded rats, had lots of alopecia, lots of hair loss. This is common amongst-

Lewis Howes 38:36 The ungrounded rats?

Clint Ober 38:37 Yeah, the ungrounded rats. Now, remember, these were middle-aged ladies in, in the rat time.

Lewis Howes 38:42 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 38:43 So as they started getting older, they started developing lots of alopecia. And there's lots of biomarkers that are indicative of, you know, metabolic syndrome, you know, which is all of these inflammation-related health disorders.

Lewis Howes 38:59 Right.

Clint Ober 38:59 But the number one thing, the difference in age was very little, but the animals who were grounded, and they ate the same thing every day, same amount of water, and so this is healthy food, healthy conditions.

Lewis Howes 39:15 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 39:16 So they wouldn't have had a lot of the normal stressors-

Lewis Howes 39:18 Sure

Clint Ober 39:18 ... you know, environmental stressors. But the rats who were grounded were, like, 20, wait, I think it was 14 to 20% less weight than the ungrounded ladies. So-

Lewis Howes 39:33 Healthier weight, or you mean they were-

Clint Ober 39:34 Healthier weight

Lewis Howes 39:34 ... they were obese or-

Clint Ober 39:35 No, they, they, they, yeah, they were health- Yeah, they were healthier.

Lewis Howes 39:40 Wow, interesting.

Clint Ober 39:40 So being grounded, you had less likely to have metabolic syndrome-related health disorders, which is inflammation. Uh, alopecia would be inflammation, um, and lots of other things, but I would have to get into the study. The study's a- available, actually.

Lewis Howes 39:57 Sure, sure.

Clint Ober 39:58 That study's available at The Earthing Institute. I don't like to talk about the animal study too much because a lot of people get upset.

Lewis Howes 40:02 Right.

Clint Ober 40:03 But I say, I leave, let these, let these ladies live out their life where they would've been euthanized otherwise.

Lewis Howes 40:08 Yeah, of course.

Clint Ober 40:08 So it was, it was a good study. Um, you know-

Lewis Howes 40:12 And so the, it showed that it essentially did help with lifespan, or just more of, like, better conditions?

Clint Ober 40:18 Quality, quality of life.

Lewis Howes 40:18 Quality of life. You w-

Clint Ober 40:19 Quality of life

Lewis Howes 40:19 ... less obese.

Clint Ober 40:21 Yes.

Lewis Howes 40:22 Not as much inflammation or no, not, no inflammation.

Clint Ober 40:24 Well, you, you wouldn't have inflammation.

Lewis Howes 40:26 Right.

Clint Ober 40:26 But anyhow, so it was, um-

Lewis Howes 40:28 Interesting

Clint Ober 40:28 ... it was less inflammation-related health disorders, less... I mean, you, you can, it's, like, a lot of people are gonna live to be 80, 90 years old.

Lewis Howes 40:36 But they might be in pain for 20 years.

Clint Ober 40:38 Oh, f- or longer.

Lewis Howes 40:39 Yeah.

Clint Ober 40:40 You know, the average age of a man today, I think is 75, 76, something like that. I'm 78, so I made it, uh, pretty good. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 40:47 That's great.

Clint Ober 40:48 Um, but anyhow, um-

Lewis Howes 40:50 But living it, you wanna live healthy when you're older-

Clint Ober 40:53 Yeah, you want that energy

Lewis Howes 40:53 ... and pain-free, yes.

Clint Ober 40:54 Like, like, it's interesting, I can get up out of my chair with ease.

Lewis Howes 41:00 Yeah.

Clint Ober 41:00 I can move. I can go dance for three hours if I wanted to. I can do a lot, a- and-

Lewis Howes 41:06 And you're 78?

Clint Ober 41:07 Yes.

Lewis Howes 41:08 Wow.

Clint Ober 41:08 And I can walk five miles. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 41:10 Yeah.

Clint Ober 41:11 Um, I prefer to walk barefoot when I can, but that's not easily done. Uh, so I wear grounded shoes. I won't wear, I can't walk five miles in a g- in a regular shoe like everybody else.

Lewis Howes 41:21 Really? What happens when you do that?

Clint Ober 41:23 I usually lose my energy after about a mile and a half.

Lewis Howes 41:26 Wow. So when you wear the grounded sandals-

Clint Ober 41:29 Yes

Lewis Howes 41:29 ... you feel like you keep your energy throughout the day.

Clint Ober 41:32 Definitely, yeah.

Lewis Howes 41:32 To a certain point. I mean, you can't go 20 miles every day, but-

Clint Ober 41:36 No, I can, I, I walk, you know, between, um, 2,000 steps and 10,000, depending on-

Lewis Howes 41:43 Wow

Clint Ober 41:43 ... what's going on.

Lewis Howes 41:45 Either barefoot or with grounded shoes?

Clint Ober 41:47 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 41:47 Yeah. Is there such a thing as grounded tennis shoes, or is it only the sandals right now that are out there?

Clint Ober 41:53 No, the only thing we have is a grounded flip-flop so far-

Lewis Howes 41:55 Yeah

Clint Ober 41:55 ... over at Earthing. And, um, they're electric-

Lewis Howes 41:59 And why, and why do they work? What is, like, we, 'cause it's still rubber on the sandal, essentially, right? But then there's a grounding-

Clint Ober 42:06 Can I show you one?

Lewis Howes 42:07 Yeah.

Clint Ober 42:07 Okay. Um.

Lewis Howes 42:09 Because when you just have rubber on your soles, or plastic-

Clint Ober 42:12 Yeah, you're insulated-

Lewis Howes 42:13 ... what-

Clint Ober 42:13 ... from the earth.

Lewis Howes 42:14 Yeah.

Clint Ober 42:14 So this, I don't know if we can see it here-

Lewis Howes 42:16 Yeah

Clint Ober 42:16 ... but there's a piece of carbon here.

Lewis Howes 42:19 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 42:19 Carbon. And it, it comes along here, and it comes through the shoe, and it goes over the bottom of the shoe.

Lewis Howes 42:24 Touches the ground.

Clint Ober 42:25 So when it touches the earth, it's conductive. So when your foot touches this, then it's like standing barefoot on the earth.

Lewis Howes 42:31 Wow.

Clint Ober 42:32 So it's like standing barefoot, but you don't need to worry about the stickers or the dog.

Lewis Howes 42:35 Right, right, the, or the poop or the, yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Clint Ober 42:37 Yeah, or whatever.

Lewis Howes 42:38 Or glass or-

Clint Ober 42:39 And a lot of people-

Lewis Howes 42:39 Yeah

Clint Ober 42:40 ... a lot of people, you know, guys- They're not gonna wear, [laughs] go barefoot. The women, the ladies will. They like to go barefoot.

Lewis Howes 42:47 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 42:48 But again, they don't like-

Lewis Howes 42:49 I like to go on the grass. If I see a grass in a park, I'm like, "Okay, I'll walk. I'll take my shoes and my socks off-

Clint Ober 42:54 Mm

Lewis Howes 42:54 ... and I'll walk on there for-

Clint Ober 42:55 Yes

Lewis Howes 42:56 ... 30 to 60 minutes, and I always feel more energized.

Clint Ober 42:58 It's-

Lewis Howes 42:58 I feel more connected

Clint Ober 43:00 ... that's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 43:01 Yeah.

Clint Ober 43:01 You, you get, when you're, when your body is grounded, your body is full of free electrons, full of this earth energy. So now you can't have inflammation, so-

Lewis Howes 43:12 Wow

Clint Ober 43:12 ... your metabolism's cooking along and, and you're not, where if you're not grounded, then you're bleeding off and depleting these free electrons-

Lewis Howes 43:21 Mm

Clint Ober 43:21 ... and you're getting fatigued, and your body can't function.

Lewis Howes 43:23 Wow.

Clint Ober 43:24 It's like as soon as you ground yourself, you have a greater range of motion.

Lewis Howes 43:28 Flexibility-

Clint Ober 43:29 Yeah

Lewis Howes 43:29 ... in your body, really.

Clint Ober 43:30 Yeah. You have more energy. You can, your O2 saturation increases.

Lewis Howes 43:36 Wow.

Clint Ober 43:36 Everything, so it's, our body w- evolved grounded. We lived on the Earth. We, we are the Earth [laughs] walking around, and we were always connected. So over whatever period of time, all living things, you know, were grounded.

Lewis Howes 43:53 In the last 60 years is when it started to shift-

Clint Ober 43:55 Yeah

Lewis Howes 43:55 ... and evolve.

Clint Ober 43:56 And, and when you're grounded, you couldn't have had inflammation, 'cause if you would've had inflammation along the way, we wouldn't be here as a species, because you wouldn't have had all these, uh, pharmaceuticals and everything to keep-

Lewis Howes 44:05 Right

Clint Ober 44:06 ... everybody alive.

Lewis Howes 44:06 We had other types of pain, maybe, but, but we didn't have the inflammation pain.

Clint Ober 44:10 Pain was hunger. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 44:12 Right.

Clint Ober 44:12 Uh, injury. You know-

Lewis Howes 44:13 In- injury. Yeah

Clint Ober 44:14 ... it's like we, I mean, you put this in perspective, in 1960, the, 90% of the visits to a general practitioner were for infectious disease, acute injury, childbirth.

Lewis Howes 44:26 So was there, was there no really MS or arthritis back in when you were growing up? Is that not a thing?

Clint Ober 44:32 Maybe one in 10,000 or one in whatever, but now it's like autism, one in 10,000. Autism is an inflammation-related health disorder, oxidation of the brain stem. Okay, so-

Lewis Howes 44:45 Oh

Clint Ober 44:45 ... so back in, you know, no, they, you would have a little bit. And diabetes started in the '50s.

Lewis Howes 44:53 Oh, it started in the '50s.

Clint Ober 44:54 It started to, you s- you can see the curve. It g-

Lewis Howes 44:57 Was that more food-related or more-

Clint Ober 44:59 Well, m-

Lewis Howes 44:59 ... grounding related?

Clint Ober 45:00 No, it's, it's, uh, it-

Lewis Howes 45:01 Is it more like just so much sugar and processed foods?

Clint Ober 45:04 That may exacerbate it.

Lewis Howes 45:06 Oh.

Clint Ober 45:06 That's gonna put weight on you, but what caused the, the problem is loss, I mean, is inflammation.

Lewis Howes 45:11 Wow.

Clint Ober 45:11 Now, again, there are studies on the earthing institute that explain all this, and you can actually just type, Google, "diabetes-

Lewis Howes 45:18 Right

Clint Ober 45:18 ... and earthing and grounding and inflammation", or just, "diabetes and inflammation." Diabetes is an inflammation-related health disorder.

Lewis Howes 45:25 Yeah.

Clint Ober 45:26 Um, sugar is, if you're grounded, the sugar's not gonna be quite as bad, but you're gonna put weight on if you eat... I mean, sugar's not good for you no m- matter.

Lewis Howes 45:34 Right.

Clint Ober 45:34 It's not a natural thing-

Lewis Howes 45:35 Sure

Clint Ober 45:36 ... in, in the type of sugars we eat. Processed foods are not natural, so those are going to challenge and stress our body and maybe create inflammation, but if you're grounded, it'll help reduce that inflammation and get you through it, where if you're not grounded, then that's just going to exacerbate.

Lewis Howes 45:52 And how does grounding support weight loss or increase in metabolism or the gut microbiome? Does grounding help that as well?

Clint Ober 46:02 Yeah, because if you, if you have inflammation in your body, what's happening is your immune system is using all of its resources-

Lewis Howes 46:10 To fight the inflammation

Clint Ober 46:11 ... to fight the inflammation that it itself is feeding. So it's a vicious loop. It shouldn't be, but it is because the, the immune system didn't know that one day we would put on shoes.

Lewis Howes 46:22 Mm.

Clint Ober 46:22 [laughs] Didn't know one day we would live-

Lewis Howes 46:25 Be disconnected from the Earth.

Clint Ober 46:26 Yeah. We didn't.

Lewis Howes 46:27 What's the difference between barefoot indoors versus barefoot outdoors?

Clint Ober 46:33 Barefoot indoors, you'll have less static electricity and things like that, but you won't get any.

Lewis Howes 46:38 You're not grounded still.

Clint Ober 46:39 You're not grounded, so you're not gonna get the benefits of-

Lewis Howes 46:42 Is there a way to have, like, a grounding tool that you can plug into your outlets that will make you feel like you're grounded?

Clint Ober 46:49 Well, yeah. Over the, over the years as we did the studies, in order to do the studies, we had to create what I call ground planes, and these are anything from an electrode patch, EKG patch, like you, when you wanna read, you know, cardio.

Lewis Howes 47:06 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 47:06 And so you put one of those on the body and then you connect it to a ground, and so that grounds the body, and electrons can get through the skin and get in there and get into the blood and start reducing the inflammation.

Lewis Howes 47:18 'Cause we have the grounding pad that I think you guys, we-

Clint Ober 47:21 Yeah

Lewis Howes 47:21 ... we got from you guys, and so I've been putting my feet barefoot on that.

Clint Ober 47:24 Yeah. So-

Lewis Howes 47:25 Is that the same thing as being-

Clint Ober 47:27 Yeah

Lewis Howes 47:27 ... on the Earth?

Clint Ober 47:28 Yes. So what we did in order to do our s- our research, uh, to ground our subjects, we would use the patches that I mentioned, or we w- we, the first ones we made were 12 inches by 24-inch conductive fabrics or conductive ground planes or conductive rubber, like we would use in the ESD industry or electronics industry. And then we would connect it to a ground so it would be grounded, and then when you sat on it and did whatever, then you'd be grounded. So in many cases we put these in the home, and so people had them for, you know, 30 days or whatever, and at the end of the s- studies, then the people who, a lot of people had great benefit. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 48:12 Mm.

Clint Ober 48:12 So they wanted to keep them, or they wanted-

Lewis Howes 48:14 Yeah

Clint Ober 48:14 ... other ones for their mom-

Lewis Howes 48:15 Right

Clint Ober 48:15 ... or for whoever. And so then as time went on, we would, whatever we had left of scraps and stuff, we would give them or whatever. Then eventually we decided that, you know, what is the best thing we could do for people, uh, if we wanted to give them something? That because we knew that people won't comply. Doing our studies, it's really hard to get compliance.

Lewis Howes 48:36 Really?

Clint Ober 48:37 So people, you know, people don't, most people won't even finish a, a, a rounded script.

Lewis Howes 48:42 Wow.

Clint Ober 48:43 [laughs] They won't, I mean, people don't comply. They do, if it's, if it is not part of their daily routine- It's hard to get them to follow through or change routine. So we thought, well, the best thing we can do, and we need to do a study that way anyway, we need to just give them something they can sleep on, so they put it on their bed one time, ground it, then there's no impact or no effect on anything they normally do. All they do is come home, go to bed, and go to sleep like they normally do. No work.

Lewis Howes 49:11 Right.

Clint Ober 49:11 No change.

Lewis Howes 49:12 We put that on our bed also in the last week, and it's been a really... It's been passing out pretty much right away.

Clint Ober 49:17 Yeah. So anyhow, that w- so that was the product that we developed. Now, these products were all accidental products.

Lewis Howes 49:22 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 49:22 'Cause when I was involved, got involved with this, remember, I was the first guy to put data over a satellite and feed it to a personal computer.

Lewis Howes 49:29 Yeah.

Clint Ober 49:30 I had no d- desire to be product. I was more retired than not, and this was just really interesting to me. And, um, but anyhow, so all of a sudden there became a, a huge demand. We never advertised. This was all word of mouth.

Lewis Howes 49:44 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 49:45 It was relatives and relatives and word of mouth. Anybody that got grounded, they wanted, wanted one for their mom, and so on. So anyhow, the business, so we kept improving it. Uh, so anyhow, yeah, we have m- mat- mats you can sleep on. They're carbon mats. You can sleep directly on them or you can put them underneath your sheet.

Lewis Howes 50:03 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 50:04 And put the sheet over them and sleep on them that way. Uh, or, and we have the little mats that you can put underneath your computer or your, on your desk and have your hands on it when you're working or put it on the floor and put your feet on it and be grounded during the day. We have the patches. Those are for acute flaring situations. Um, but it's really simple.

Lewis Howes 50:22 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 50:22 I mean, we have a pillow cover that you can put your pillow in, and it's grounded. Put your pillowcase over the top so when you go to sleep. A lot of people love that product. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 50:31 Yeah.

Clint Ober 50:31 But it's something, again, you don't have to do anything.

Lewis Howes 50:34 It's not a new habit. What would you say is the daily routine that all people should be thinking about with grounding? If you're like, "You know what? I've only got 20 minutes to try this thing out a day." Whatever you recommend.

Clint Ober 50:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 50:46 Is it going outside barefoot? Is it, uh, getting the pad and putting your feet on the pad? I- what would you say is a daily routine people should do?

Clint Ober 50:54 Well, I usually tell a story. I don't know how much time we have here.

Lewis Howes 50:57 Go for it, yeah.

Clint Ober 50:58 But I usually tell a story that kinda helps answer that. When I was young, you know, I was babysitting cows. And when you're babysitting cows, what you're really doing is you're looking at them and making sure they're healthy.

Lewis Howes 51:10 Yeah.

Clint Ober 51:11 And happy. And if you see one that's different than the herd or acting strange or glassy-eyed or bawling, then you take them out of the herd, put them in a pen, and then you have to go ride the pasture, make sure the water's okay, make sure there's no noxious weeds coming up, make sure the grass is okay, and a few other things. And then normally the gra- something's wrong, so you move the herd to a, a different section of the pasture-

Lewis Howes 51:36 Mm

Clint Ober 51:36 ... and fence, fence them off. And then that other calf or whatever will straighten out-

Lewis Howes 51:41 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 51:41 ... and put her back in the herd. So I have this prevention thing. That's kinda helped me do this because I, I always think, "What's the cause? What caused this?" Rather than, "Do I need this pill or that pill?"

Lewis Howes 51:52 Uh-huh. What's the root?

Clint Ober 51:54 Yeah. What's the root cause? Uh, so that's my background, and I was raised that way anyhow. But so anyhow, sometimes when I was out there i- in the, in the s- summer, some years you'd have an infestation of jackrabbits. And at night sometimes you'd be driving down the road, and there are so many jackrabbits. Now, remember, this is Montana. There's no water there. But you'd drive down the road, and it would look like there's a lake out there because it was the light reflecting off the jackrabbits' eyes.

Lewis Howes 52:22 Mm.

Clint Ober 52:23 That's how many there were. So anyhow, during the day, there was just this, jackrabbits everywhere. But it was fun to watch them because a coyote was always sneaking up on the jackrabbit.

Lewis Howes 52:32 [laughs]

Clint Ober 52:33 As soon as the jackrabbit would be aware of, then the, the ears would go up, and then a jackrabbit can spring 10 feet in the air.

Lewis Howes 52:38 Ah, yeah.

Clint Ober 52:39 And then he'll zigzag back and forth across the pasture, keeping one eye on the coyote, and then, you know, and the chase go, uh, uh, the chase goes on, and then eventually they're, generally the coyote runs out of energy, and it'll just lay there panting.

Lewis Howes 52:53 [laughs]

Clint Ober 52:54 And, um, [laughs] and, and then, so anyhow, the jackrabbit will run just a little bit further. Conservation of energy is everything in nature, okay? So a rabbit'll run just a little bit further, and then he'll stop, and he'll sit there. And you can see, uh, you can, uh, 'cause you're close enough, you can see this, and he'll sit there quivering. And, uh, then all of a sudden he, yes, then over time goes on, he'll have this big visceral shake. Then he'll go back to eating grass like nothing ever happened.

Lewis Howes 53:24 Hmm.

Clint Ober 53:24 Eventually, the coyote gets up and wanders off 'cause he's gotta go restore his energy. Anyhow, now I know that that rabbit was grounding out the cortisol from the elevated-

Lewis Howes 53:33 Shaking it out.

Clint Ober 53:35 Well, it's the inflammation that was created-

Lewis Howes 53:37 Ah

Clint Ober 53:37 ... from the cortisol and everything and the charge. I mean, you, you, you're, you're, you're burning adrenaline, so you're creating inflammation in the body.

Lewis Howes 53:46 Yes.

Clint Ober 53:46 And so anyhow, you ground out the inflammation. Doesn't, the inflammation doesn't come out the ground. Comes up and reduces the excess radicals that otherwise will oxidize and create inflammation.

Lewis Howes 53:57 Uh-huh.

Clint Ober 53:58 So, so anyhow, the reason I tell that story is most women today, almost all, almost all women of certain, you know, over 30, they have some kind of an inflammation-related health disorder.

Lewis Howes 54:15 Really?

Clint Ober 54:15 They're not healthy. I mean, they're healthy, but they, they're doing everything they're right. Even they go out and exercise, they exercise too much. That creates inflammation. You know, and so on and so on.

Lewis Howes 54:23 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 54:24 But yeah, so what I try to get across is, and I learned this from some of the MS ladies, 'cause I always ask them, you know, "What happened in your life prior to, prior to MS, MS developing?" In the beginning they can't tell you, and then after a little bit they say, "Well, that was when I lost my house in 2008, and I lost my job," or whatever, and they went into a chronically elevated fight or flight state, body flooded with cortisol, and then they couldn't get out of it.

Lewis Howes 54:51 Mm.

Clint Ober 54:51 That created pain. That pain created more cortisol. And so then they ended up ... with lupus, MS or whatever.

Lewis Howes 54:58 Wow.

Clint Ober 54:59 Um, [clears throat] but an- but anyhow, so the reason I tell this story is because women, and I, I work with 99% women. Guys will not buy or are not gonna buy earthing products. [laughs] They'll say, "I'll do it myself," you know? "It's too simple," whatever. Or, "This can't be true. If it were, I'd know about it." [laughs] You know? But women are different. Women, they kind of know. They're intuitively-

Lewis Howes 55:19 Uh-huh

Clint Ober 55:20 ... connected to the Earth. A woman gets up in the morning. She's sleeping on a foam bed with normal covers, and so there's a gut full of static electricity. And she gets up in the morning, and she's stressed or-

Lewis Howes 55:36 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 55:36 ... fatigued, doesn't have a lot of energy. And the first thing she's gotta do is take care, get the kids ready, get them off to school, whatever. If she still has a mate, she's feeding her mate and getting her mate off. 80% of all women over 30 sleep alone.

Lewis Howes 55:53 Really?

Clint Ober 55:53 It's because of inflammation, health disorder, health-

Lewis Howes 55:56 Mm

Clint Ober 55:57 ... issues, and the anger and whatever. All the things that go with not being well contribute to this. But anyhow, so they get up in the morning. They're, get their kids off to school. They do all those things, and it's a rush. And then they, when they're gone, that's taken care of, then they have to go take, feed themselves, take care of their own-

Lewis Howes 56:16 That's a rush

Clint Ober 56:17 ... whatever's going on. Then they have to jump in a car, get dressed, with a lot of clothing sometimes that creates charge. But anyhow, they're not grounded, but they've got all this, so ev- you know. So anyhow, it goes on, and so, uh, and then she goes to work, and then she's gotta put up with the boss, put up with the clients or whatever stresses that are there, traffic to go there, traffic to come home. And so when she gets home, like, you know, "I need a drink. I need something," you know? Um, [clears throat] so basically-

Lewis Howes 56:46 Mm

Clint Ober 56:46 ... what I try to get across, and then she takes that to bed, that stress of all that still in the body. So what I call, I s- I call this coyote juice, cortisol. I said, "Everything is a coyote."

Lewis Howes 57:00 Mm.

Clint Ober 57:01 You know? And [clears throat] so the kids are a coyote in the morning. Your husband's a coyote. Your boss is a coyote. The traffic's a coyote. So the coyote causes the rabbit to, you know, trigger a fight or flight, and cortisol is secreted into the system. So if that's chronic, all day long, you got these little spikes of cortisol. That cortisol is building up in your body, and so you're, you end up with a lot of anxiety, irritability, sometimes just anger and depression and those kind of things. And, [clears throat] and i- it's relentless. So when you get home at night, you're full of coyote juice. You're full of cortisol. So I don't care if you don't do anything else, go, when you come home at night, especially women, go outdoors, take a chair if that's all you can do, and put your feet on the Earth, and sit there for 30 minutes-

Lewis Howes 57:49 Yeah

Clint Ober 57:49 ... and drain, and drain all that inflammation. The infl- you know, you can... Women think about the inflammation going out of their body and into the Earth. That's fine. It's the Earth coming up and reducing-

Lewis Howes 58:00 Mm

Clint Ober 58:00 ... free radicals, but doesn't matter.

Lewis Howes 58:01 Sure.

Clint Ober 58:02 But you need to drain this. You need to dampen and, and reduce this inflammation in your body. Then you can [laughs] enjoy the kids. Then you can go to bed and wake up in the morning and feel better. But if you're, if you wake up in the morning and you got aches and pains and you don't feel good, then you need to consider sleeping grounded.

Lewis Howes 58:20 Yeah.

Clint Ober 58:20 Because in nature, you would always have been grounded.

Lewis Howes 58:23 Right.

Clint Ober 58:23 You couldn't have-

Lewis Howes 58:24 Lay on the ground. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Clint Ober 58:25 So, so anyhow, I'm not sure what's prompted that dialogue. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 58:30 This, the, uh, the grounding routine that we should all be thinking about.

Clint Ober 58:34 Yeah, so start there. If you can't do anything else in the world, it's free, and it will change your life, I guarantee it.

Lewis Howes 58:41 Yeah.

Clint Ober 58:41 I guarantee it.

Lewis Howes 58:42 What's your strat- what's your routine look like on a daily basis?

Clint Ober 58:45 Well-

Lewis Howes 58:45 Are you barefoot a lot? Are you using the sandals? Are, you have all the mats and everything? You're...

Clint Ober 58:51 Well, I've been grounded for most of 20 years.

Lewis Howes 58:54 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 58:54 Longer. I've been doing the studies for 23, so I guess over 20 years. And I started out with the little ground planes that I was using on the subjects, and I had lots of pain, and I didn't want the pain, so-

Lewis Howes 59:06 Really?

Clint Ober 59:07 ... I kept my pain down.

Lewis Howes 59:08 Mm.

Clint Ober 59:09 Uh, because, uh, like, again, I said, I, you know, I grew up on a ranch. I s- and ski. I had more injuries than-

Lewis Howes 59:14 Yeah

Clint Ober 59:15 ... I, I [laughs] remember sometime in, in my, uh, somewhere around 53, 54, I went outdoors one day, and I looked up at the sky and I said, "God, why did you make my body with so much pain in it?" Because I was in chronic pain just from all the injuries and whatever. I learned later it was me that did that, but that's-

Lewis Howes 59:33 [laughs]

Clint Ober 59:35 But anyhow, um, I sleep ground, I sleep on a grounded ground mat, grounding bed cover, mattress cover. Uh, I have a pillow that's a grounded pillow cover, pillowcase over the top. I have, um, a mat underneath my computer, so-

Lewis Howes 59:55 Oh

Clint Ober 59:55 ... I'm there. I have a bigger ground mat under my chair and desk, so I'm barefoot all the time.

Lewis Howes 1:00:03 Really? Wow.

Clint Ober 1:00:05 The only time I'm not barefoot is when I go outdoors, generally. And I have a house that has a nice salt tile floor, so they're grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:00:14 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:00:14 And so I'm really grounded most of the time, and then when I go outdoors, um, in summer, certain months, you can go barefoot in certain areas. Um, but generally, I'll just wear the grounded flip-flops.

Lewis Howes 1:00:27 Wow.

Clint Ober 1:00:28 And, um, I, I don't like to walk as much as I used to because of the seasons, but certain seasons, I love to walk, you know, because you can walk forever.

Lewis Howes 1:00:38 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:00:39 But, uh, the wind sometimes, the heat-

Lewis Howes 1:00:41 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:00:42 ... you know, in Vegas or some, depending where I'm at, what I'm doing.

Lewis Howes 1:00:45 Right.

Clint Ober 1:00:46 Um, [clears throat] but anyhow, I'm grounded probably 90% of the time.

Lewis Howes 1:00:51 Yeah. And you feel like you're pretty pain-free except for-

Clint Ober 1:00:54 I-

Lewis Howes 1:00:54 ... I mean, maybe old injuries or?

Clint Ober 1:00:56 I don't have any pain.

Lewis Howes 1:00:57 Oh.

Clint Ober 1:00:58 I, I don't have, I don't have any inflammation in-

Lewis Howes 1:01:01 [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:01:02 ... inflammatory pain.

Lewis Howes 1:01:03 And what's your diet look like? Are you pretty...

Clint Ober 1:01:06 In the morning, I will get up, I generally will have two to three eggs.

Lewis Howes 1:01:11 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:01:12 Avocado, and sometimes some like keto toast some mornings. Other mornings I'll have the keto type bread and the, uh, nut butter, almond butter, walnut butter-

Lewis Howes 1:01:26 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:01:26 ... or things like that, and some course, some nice organic jam. [laughs] Um, my keto doesn't work very well, [laughs] but I try to cut the carbs out, you know, the excess bread carbs.

Lewis Howes 1:01:38 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:01:38 And I, I don't divert from them much.

Lewis Howes 1:01:42 No.

Clint Ober 1:01:43 Um, and then at lunch I usually have soup.

Lewis Howes 1:01:47 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:01:47 I, I mean, I'll eat soup before I'll eat anything. And then at dinner I will, you know, have fish and vegetables-

Lewis Howes 1:01:57 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:01:57 ... or something else.

Lewis Howes 1:01:58 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:01:58 A little meat. Get my four ounces of meat in.

Lewis Howes 1:02:00 Uh.

Clint Ober 1:02:01 But I don't eat a lot of meat. I just don't... My body doesn't crave it.

Lewis Howes 1:02:05 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:02:07 Um, I love bananas, green ba- you know, low on the green side. Um, I'd like to eat blueberries. I buy the blueberries-

Lewis Howes 1:02:17 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:02:17 ... and I freeze them.

Lewis Howes 1:02:18 Wow.

Clint Ober 1:02:18 And then during the day I'll snack on eating the frozen blueberries or raspberries or things like that.

Lewis Howes 1:02:23 That's cool.

Clint Ober 1:02:24 So, now does that mean I don't do anything bad? That's not true, you know. I still like sweet treats.

Lewis Howes 1:02:32 Oh, I love sweets. Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:02:33 Uh.

Lewis Howes 1:02:33 That's my vice.

Clint Ober 1:02:34 Keep the cookies out of the house.

Lewis Howes 1:02:35 Yeah, [laughs] exactly.

Clint Ober 1:02:36 'Cause they'll be gone in, in a half hour.

Lewis Howes 1:02:38 Exactly. [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:02:39 I don't care how many there are. So-

Lewis Howes 1:02:42 Um,

Lewis Howes 1:02:42 I'm curious about your thoughts on, you know, when I grew up, I grew up right before video games came, right?

Clint Ober 1:02:48 Yes.

Lewis Howes 1:02:48 It's like they started to come when I was five to 10.

Clint Ober 1:02:53 Yep.

Lewis Howes 1:02:54 But I was still going outside every day, right?

Clint Ober 1:02:56 Yes.

Lewis Howes 1:02:56 My mom would say, "Go out and play."

Clint Ober 1:02:59 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:03:00 I would come back and started to play some video games, but I really got into sports at an early age, and became more obsessed with going to the soccer field, the football field-

Clint Ober 1:03:08 Sure

Lewis Howes 1:03:08 ... the basketball court-

Clint Ober 1:03:10 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:03:10 ... and, and being in the gym-

Clint Ober 1:03:12 Right

Lewis Howes 1:03:12 ... playing sports, right?

Clint Ober 1:03:13 Yep.

Lewis Howes 1:03:13 Or be in the backyard playing whatever we were playing as kids.

Clint Ober 1:03:16 Right. Uh-huh.

Lewis Howes 1:03:17 And I felt like I'm so glad I got the experience of being outside a lot, climbing the trees-

Clint Ober 1:03:23 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 1:03:23 ... doing everything, and just playing like a kid will play.

Clint Ober 1:03:25 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:03:26 With kids now, that happens very little, and kids are, grow up on their iPad when they're, you know, s- 60 days old-

Clint Ober 1:03:33 Right

Lewis Howes 1:03:33 ... or on an iPhone-

Clint Ober 1:03:35 Right

Lewis Howes 1:03:35 ... or on a TV. There's multiple screens in front of their face-

Clint Ober 1:03:38 Yes

Lewis Howes 1:03:39 ... inside, safe, protected, soft things around them.

Clint Ober 1:03:43 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:03:44 Uh, carpeted. Not going out- outside as much.

Clint Ober 1:03:48 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:03:49 What is your advice to parents who are starting to raise kids for the future, um, about the importance of grounding and being outside? What are the, what are the, the bad things that could happen if they, they don't do those things?

Clint Ober 1:04:05 Well, we already know that 40% of our kids can be diagnosed at some level of diabe- diabetes. Um, they have chronic allergies, allergies or inflammation-related health disorders.

Lewis Howes 1:04:22 Wow.

Clint Ober 1:04:23 Um, they're full of anxiety, ADD, ADHD. I used to call that tennis shoe-itis. Um, I don't do that anymore. I don't want to get in trouble with the shoe companies.

Lewis Howes 1:04:39 Mm-hmm. [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:04:40 But, um, so it's... Think of it this way, health is your most natural state. In nature, you can see it in the animal world, health is your most natural state. If you don't have health, then something is interfering with your immune system's ability to maintain and restore health. So, if a child has health issues, um, of any kind, then it's generally because the immune system's compromised, and the only way you can maintain and keep them healthy is to get them grounded to some portion. Sleeping grounded is easy.

Lewis Howes 1:05:23 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:05:23 Put it under the sheet, they don't even know. [laughs] Your, you know, kids over the age of seven, if they're into video games after that, you're not gonna change that.

Lewis Howes 1:05:32 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:05:32 It's not possible.

Lewis Howes 1:05:33 Right.

Clint Ober 1:05:34 So, we have ground mats, and a lot of the gamers use them.

Lewis Howes 1:05:38 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:05:39 Um, so you can, you have to use artificial-

Lewis Howes 1:05:42 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:05:42 ... grounding.

Lewis Howes 1:05:43 It's still better than nothing, right?

Clint Ober 1:05:44 Well, it's identical to.

Lewis Howes 1:05:46 Oh, it is identical.

Clint Ober 1:05:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:05:47 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:05:47 Because it's conductive. Earth is-

Lewis Howes 1:05:49 Right

Clint Ober 1:05:49 ... electrical is conductive. Uh, electrical travels the speed of light around the world, you know. It's, it's not-

Lewis Howes 1:05:55 But is it, but is it better to be outdoors and in grass, or to have a, a mat, a, a grounding mat, you know, all day? What's-

Clint Ober 1:06:02 It's, it's better to be outdoors barefoot on, on the earth, breathing fresh air with sunshine coming down.

Lewis Howes 1:06:08 [laughs] Yeah. Right.

Clint Ober 1:06:08 Um, the other problems are fresh air, the pollutants in our indoor air, and the loss of sunlight.

Lewis Howes 1:06:16 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:06:16 We've put build- we've put roofs over us and our heads now.

Lewis Howes 1:06:19 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:06:19 We no longer... We're all short of vitamin D.

Lewis Howes 1:06:22 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:06:22 So our health is compromised. Grounding is not, um, uh, you know, it's not the cure-all or anything like that.

Lewis Howes 1:06:29 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:06:30 It's, might be a, it's one of the causals, loss of vitamin D, loss of ground, loss of pressure.

Lewis Howes 1:06:35 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:06:35 Those sort of-

Lewis Howes 1:06:35 One of the things, yeah

Clint Ober 1:06:36 ... yeah, something in your environment is compromising your immune system.

Lewis Howes 1:06:39 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:06:40 And if you are indoors and you're breathing air that's challenging, then the immune system has to deal with every, everything you breathe.

Lewis Howes 1:06:47 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:06:48 It has to deal with your cells and all that kind of... Um, if you don't get enough sunlight, you don't get enough vitamin D, that's going to affect everything in your body.

Lewis Howes 1:06:57 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:06:58 If you- Yeah, oxygen, you know, it just, it-

Lewis Howes 1:07:02 Everything. Yeah

Clint Ober 1:07:02 ... it's universal. It's, it's not one thing

Lewis Howes 1:07:05 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:07:05 ... it's a-

Lewis Howes 1:07:05 Right

Clint Ober 1:07:05 ... it's everything.

Lewis Howes 1:07:06 Right.

Clint Ober 1:07:07 We stepped out of nature.

Lewis Howes 1:07:08 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:07:09 We need to put our toe back in nature. We need to... The young moms, I, I try to work with the young moms because they are the ones taking care of these children, but the moms themselves are in trouble. So we try to ground them. The first thing they do is ground their mom so, so she can get freed up and have a little of her, or get some-

Lewis Howes 1:07:27 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:07:27 ... of her life back, or get her own life back so she can take care of her family and so on. And then I try to, you know, you have to find ways to entertain these children. Uh, we used to go, love to go play in the creek.

Lewis Howes 1:07:41 Yep.

Clint Ober 1:07:42 Go build caves, do whatever. We, last thing you ever wanted to do is go in the house, until television came along.

Lewis Howes 1:07:49 You had to... You know, I remember my mom having to, like, call me in late at night. It's like, it's 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 o'clock, and she's, like, yelling for you to come back in the house-

Clint Ober 1:07:57 Right

Lewis Howes 1:07:57 ... 'cause you wanted to be out playing the whole night.

Clint Ober 1:07:59 Yeah, you said, "I don't want to."

Lewis Howes 1:07:59 You didn't want to stop playing games.

Clint Ober 1:08:00 Yeah, we'd sleep in the barn before we'd sleep in the house. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:08:02 [laughs] Exactly.

Clint Ober 1:08:04 But I, I don't have the answers.

Lewis Howes 1:08:06 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:08:07 Um, but if you can't do it any other way, I mean, if we ground a child, or if we ground a, put a ground pad in a home, the animals are gonna gravitate to it.

Lewis Howes 1:08:15 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:08:16 The children, a lot of the children will start using it. The younger they are, the... We had, you know, uh, children, they know when they're grounded and not.

Lewis Howes 1:08:24 Oh, wow.

Clint Ober 1:08:25 And, and, um, they miss their grounding, you know, when they don't-

Lewis Howes 1:08:28 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:08:28 ... they need to get grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:08:29 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:08:30 Uh, because they feel better when they're grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:08:31 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:08:31 The kids are going to feel better. You, you c- when you go outdoors and sit on the earth, and that's what I tell the, the moms, too, is a lot of health, what's feeding the cortisol in the body is a lot of it's mental. A lot of it's environmental, but a lot of it's, uh, psychological, and that causes the fight or flight to trigger, and that's what's causing this cortisol. The thing I've learned over the years is you can take a child or an adult or somebody who's m- angry, mad, whatever, take their shoes off, put them outdoors for 30 minutes, and they lose all of it. The anger goes away.

Lewis Howes 1:09:07 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:09:08 The demeanor changes. They, they just change. They're different. The pain comes down. The circulation comes up. The demeanor shifts. Uh, they see a smile. Um, but it's, it's hard to be upset all, you, it's hard to experience all these things that we ex- that we experience in the home when we're in nature. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:09:29 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:09:29 It, it just-

Lewis Howes 1:09:29 That's true

Clint Ober 1:09:30 ... it's crazy, but it's-

Lewis Howes 1:09:31 That's true

Clint Ober 1:09:32 ... I don't know, I can't say exactly what it is, but well, it is getting rid of the inflammation in the body, and the immune system can then go back to re- you know, restore the body. And pain, you know, you just have more O2-

Lewis Howes 1:09:45 Right. Right

Clint Ober 1:09:45 ... more energy.

Lewis Howes 1:09:46 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:09:47 I've got a couple follow-up questions for you. One is about, um, your time growing up and having a lot of close friends who were Native Americans. What, what were the greatest lessons that they taught you? Because I feel like that community has, uh, I don't want to say forgotten, but it's been, not as been respected as much in the most recent years in America. What are the lessons you learned from them growing up, and are you still in contact with any of those friends?

Clint Ober 1:10:15 Well, at 78, no, most of them are gone that I grew up with. Um, I think a lot of the younger Native Americans, they have a sense of it, and they're trying to pull that back. Um, but the thing that I learned about being with these Native Americans is they're not like us. They, back then, they didn't understand ownership.

Lewis Howes 1:10:42 Hmm.

Clint Ober 1:10:43 How can you own a tree? How can you own the land? [laughs] The land belongs to, you know, to everyone, you know? But ownership was a foreign concept to Native American back then. You had the tribes, but the tribes and their reservations, that was the government that created that, not, they didn't do that. But they were more, they would live down low in the winter and move up to summer pasture.

Lewis Howes 1:11:07 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:11:07 You know, up, up around, I grew up in Montana, and up in the Priors, that's would be the, the summer camp and, uh, and so on. But anyhow, they, um, they, they lived more in tune with nature. Most people wouldn't know Errol Best, but he, he was a Native American from, uh, Hardin, Montana, Crow Agency, and, um, famous painter. And, uh, I bought a lot of his paintings, and I would give them other, other people as business things. But I kept a lot of them, but one of them he made special for me. And but he painted, it was a bit, he called it The Tunnel of Light in, in the Bitterroot, and it was over in Missoula, Montana area. And, um, but here's two little riders down here on horses, and then here's trees, and then here's all these other things. But in this big, huge painting, there's just... But the idea behind it was these horses and these humans were just a piece of all of it.

Lewis Howes 1:12:02 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:12:03 They weren't prominent. They weren't, you know, whatever. And so the concept there is they see themselves as being a part of everything. I mean, a blade of grass is your cousin. [laughs] An ant is. You don't kill anything. You don't destroy anything.

Lewis Howes 1:12:22 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:12:23 Uh, and you're, anything you take, you honor it. Um, it's, it's, sounds kind of-

Lewis Howes 1:12:30 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:12:30 ... woo, sounds whatever, but there's more to it than that.

Lewis Howes 1:12:33 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:12:33 I mean, that's a sensation, a feeling. It's a way of life.

Lewis Howes 1:12:36 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:12:36 It's a peaceful way of life.

Lewis Howes 1:12:39 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:12:39 Because they aren't angry people. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:12:41 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:12:42 Um, they, and they take care of each other. I can't imagine not having the essence of what I've learned from them in my being because it, uh, it makes me like a Boy Scout half the time. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:12:58 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:12:58 Uh, sometimes, sometimes I should be stronger about things, but I'm more of a- They care for the, they care for their environment

Lewis Howes 1:13:05 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:13:05 They don't take anything they don't need. Um, they don't waste life. They don't go sport hunting [laughs] you know. Uh, but anyhow, it's, uh-

Lewis Howes 1:13:16 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:13:16 I, I don't know what... It's a way of life, and it's just something that-

Lewis Howes 1:13:18 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:13:18 ... makes you feel good inside

Lewis Howes 1:13:19 That's beautiful

Clint Ober 1:13:20 It's earthy

Lewis Howes 1:13:21 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:13:21 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:13:22 Um, this is a question I ask everyone at the end of our interviews. It's called the three truths.

Clint Ober 1:13:28 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:13:28 So I'd like you to imagine, uh, that you continue to live as long as you wanna live, and you continue to accomplish or, uh, ha- fulfill the things you wanna fulfill in your life and continue to live a healthy life, but it's the last day on Earth for you at some point. And that last day, you have to take everything with you, everything that you've created, the book, the programs, this interview, anything you've ever shared.

Clint Ober 1:13:55 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:13:55 It has to go somewhere, whether it goes with you or somewhere else. We don't have access to that information anymore.

Clint Ober 1:14:00 That's correct.

Lewis Howes 1:14:00 Hypothetical scenario, but you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, only three things that you could share, and this is all we would have to remember your information and your content by. What would you say are those three truths that you'd leave behind?

Clint Ober 1:14:14 I think number one is, uh, family. Um, and there's, you know, you, you got your own personal family, then you have your community, and then you have your bigger communities and your whatever, but it's about taking care of each other like we would a family. I think it's... I, I've never looked at a person in my whole life, from the richest to the poorest to the whatever, that I didn't feel or see, I mean, he's me or I'm her or whatever. We're all the same. We're all one.

Lewis Howes 1:14:50 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:14:51 And I think it's important that, uh, we need to take care of each other rather than beliefs, political, politics, religion. It's innate. Truth is, I mean, heart, you know, it's, there's something there. I, I'm, you know, I'm challenged for words sometimes, but it's about family-

Lewis Howes 1:15:12 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:15:12 ... and taking care of each other. But money is evil. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:15:16 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:15:16 Capitalism, the way we... It's, I shouldn't say it that way. It's if your life is about money, you do not have a life.

Lewis Howes 1:15:23 Mm. Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:15:25 Uh, money is a byproduct of... I've found that money, you don't need to worry about money. You just need to go and m- provide benefit, provide things that help other people, that are going to improve-

Lewis Howes 1:15:41 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:15:41 ... people's lot in life. But if you go to work just for money, that's evil [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:15:46 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:15:47 ... because you don't have a conscience. You lose-

Lewis Howes 1:15:49 Sure

Clint Ober 1:15:49 ... you, you lose yourself.

Lewis Howes 1:15:51 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:15:52 And-

Lewis Howes 1:15:52 And the third thing?

Clint Ober 1:15:53 When you're younger, you know, you're out there working and you are taking care of your family or whatever you're doing and all the things that go on in life, and you forget about yourself. I think most people do. I did. And, um, on my, when I almost lost it, um, I think that scared me more than anything else. And so, I th- I think it's important, rather than learn it at 70 or 60, uh, or 80, whatever, but to go back and say find yourself, um, and take care of yourself.

Lewis Howes 1:16:40 Mm-hmm.

Clint Ober 1:16:42 Yeah, take care of that little boy. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:16:44 Yeah. Of course. Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:16:46 And, uh, and be grateful. If anything, just, it's hard to understand life. It's really a challenge to figure it all out, and it takes years because it's about learning what not to do, and it's about getting rid of all those-

Lewis Howes 1:17:01 Mm

Clint Ober 1:17:01 ... beliefs, all those bricks of beliefs that, that you're s- that you're encased in. And un- doing all of that so that you can find and see, uh... A- and again, it's, you know, a lot of people call it finding God, finding that whatever. It's there, and one day you will [laughs] find it.

Lewis Howes 1:17:20 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:17:21 And when you experience that, then sometimes you're not gonna be able to ever explain it. Y- it helps you to know that you are a piece of this.

Lewis Howes 1:17:30 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:17:30 You're not separate from it. And so it's about being happy with yourself-

Lewis Howes 1:17:36 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:17:37 ... really putting yourself first.

Lewis Howes 1:17:41 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:17:41 Take care of your health.

Lewis Howes 1:17:43 That's beautiful.

Clint Ober 1:17:44 Yeah, take care of yourself.

Lewis Howes 1:17:46 That's beautiful, Clint. I wanna acknowledge you for, uh, the incredible transformation you've had in your life-

Clint Ober 1:17:50 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:17:51 ... and the journey you went on. I think it's amazing how you grew up on the, you know, on the land, essentially-

Clint Ober 1:17:58 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:17:58 ... and then went into make money business mode in the cable electrical side of things, and then you lost your health and then came back around full circle and used the different skills that you'd developed over the time-

Clint Ober 1:18:13 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:13 ... to now help people heal and help people find solutions, and really just get back to what we're supposed to be doing as human beings-

Clint Ober 1:18:19 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:19 ... being in nature.

Clint Ober 1:18:21 Yeah. That's right.

Lewis Howes 1:18:22 Being human beings, not, uh, you know, I don't know, inside beings or something. So I really acknowledge you for the, the journey that you've been on and th- the mission that you have to educate, to teach, to provide these pro- po- these products for people to really heal.

Clint Ober 1:18:39 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:18:39 And, um, it's an amazing journey you're on, and I'm, and I'm glad that you're an example at 78, without inflammation, without that pain-

Clint Ober 1:18:46 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:18:46 ... flexible, still thriving, and being, being the example by living this way. Uh, how can we best be of s- support to you? Where can we go for your website to learn about these, the books and the products and all these different things?

Clint Ober 1:18:59 Well, the earthinginstitute.net-

Lewis Howes 1:19:02 Mm-hmm

Clint Ober 1:19:02 ... is where we kind of parked all of the studies, uh, links to the movies, links to the book- Um, the Earthing book is on Amazon, of course, and, um, [clears throat] it's free when they buy, order any products. Um, the... So the Earthing Institute is a good resource for-

Lewis Howes 1:19:25 Can research all the, uh, all the case studies-

Clint Ober 1:19:28 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:19:28 ... all the, e- everything that's been, uh-

Clint Ober 1:19:30 There's 20, 20-some years of research there. Untold amounts of time and money was invested in that. There's no advertising. It's not political. It's not-

Lewis Howes 1:19:41 Sure

Clint Ober 1:19:41 ... anything. It's just what it is. And, uh, earthing.com is where the, um-

Lewis Howes 1:19:48 Earthing.com?

Clint Ober 1:19:49 Yeah, it's... They have, uh, products from 29, 39, 69, 99, 199.

Lewis Howes 1:19:57 Wow.

Clint Ober 1:19:58 You can get about anything you want to ground yourself or to ground some member of your family. And, um, [clears throat] and on the other hand, uh, in the early days, I remember, uh, talking to California Health Services, which is kind of like National Institute of Health Sciences, and they said, "We understand what you're doing, but before you run out there and tell the people, you got a problem. They need a no-cost solution, and they need a low-cost solution."

Lewis Howes 1:20:22 Yes.

Clint Ober 1:20:23 Well, I delivered. The no-cost is very simple. Just go [laughs] outside.

Lewis Howes 1:20:26 Go outside. [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:20:27 Go outside and spend as much time there un- until you figure it out. And if you have chronic things or environmental things, you do need these low-cost tools.

Lewis Howes 1:20:37 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:20:38 And all they are is the extension cords to the Earth. The products themselves don't do anything except conduct Earth's energy to your body, so you can-

Lewis Howes 1:20:46 Right

Clint Ober 1:20:46 ... uh, rather than go and laying on the grass, you can lay on the-

Lewis Howes 1:20:50 That's great

Clint Ober 1:20:50 ... ground. Uh, so it's-

Lewis Howes 1:20:52 Earthing.com, the earthinginstitute.net. Uh, we'll have all this linked up.

Clint Ober 1:20:57 Yep.

Lewis Howes 1:20:57 There's a movie, right?

Clint Ober 1:20:59 Yeah, the Earthing movie is at the... I think there's a link there. Otherwise, there, you can go to YouTube. Uh, there's a bunch of, a variety of, uh, videos.

Lewis Howes 1:21:09 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:21:09 The Earthing movie is an award-winning, um, movie, documentary. Um, there was a little short version of it that I think there were, like, 60 mil- 60 million views. It went viral.

Lewis Howes 1:21:21 Wow. [laughs] That's great.

Clint Ober 1:21:22 And we didn't have enough product. We didn't have anything.

Lewis Howes 1:21:24 [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:21:25 But everybody... So it's intuitive.

Lewis Howes 1:21:27 Sure.

Clint Ober 1:21:27 This rings true with-

Lewis Howes 1:21:29 Yeah, of course

Clint Ober 1:21:29 ... with people.

Lewis Howes 1:21:30 Of course.

Clint Ober 1:21:31 And they go outdoors. The first thing they do after they see the movie, they run outdoors-

Lewis Howes 1:21:34 Yeah

Clint Ober 1:21:35 ... and get grounded.

Lewis Howes 1:21:36 Absolutely.

Clint Ober 1:21:36 If this is true, could this be true? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:21:38 That's crazy. Um, Clint, love this. Uh, final question for you, what's your definition of greatness?

Clint Ober 1:21:44 I think greatness, you know, more of, it's a personal thing. It's not something that somebody thinks I'm great. It's, I think it's about, wow, I was able to touch people's lives in ways that helped or they were better. You know, it's like I remember doing one little project, uh, that probably touched every home in America. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:22:16 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:22:17 Don't need to mention it, but anyhow, it saved people money, uh, you know, the industries and things like that. Um, but more importantly, I was able to have a vision and see the future 20 years ahead of myself.

Lewis Howes 1:22:33 Mm.

Clint Ober 1:22:33 That's been my problem my whole life.

Lewis Howes 1:22:35 Mm. [laughs]

Clint Ober 1:22:36 But, but, uh, I was able to put, pull together data and put it on a satellite, feed it to a c- personal computer, which all of that kind of filtered into the internet and so on. The internet couldn't be here if we hadn't have built cable the way we did. Uh, so it's, it's not like I was a piece and a part of this, this thing, this thing called life. It's all connected.

Lewis Howes 1:22:59 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:22:59 It's all one thing, and I was a piece and part of it, and, and I did good.

Lewis Howes 1:23:05 That's great.

Clint Ober 1:23:05 I think I did good.

Lewis Howes 1:23:06 Yeah.

Clint Ober 1:23:07 I, and I think gratefulness is, or greatness is I'm grateful I was a part of it or be able to contribute. Um, but greatness is being able to go on your way out and have a smile on your face.

1:23:23 Now, I'm teaching the professors and the doctors in all the world that we have an ability to tap into the deepest part of the brain and solve all the matters where, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, related to mental disorders and having no control.

Lewis Howes 1:23:40 Wow.

Clint Ober 1:23:41 And there is no pill, no medi-