Why The LAW OF ATTRACTION Isn't Working FOR YOU... | Lewis Howes

Lewis Howes 0:00 When you show you are passionate about something, people are attracted to energy that is passionate, that is grateful, that is fun, that is loving, that is expressive, that is creative, that is expansive. They're not attracted to people who are-

0:15 I think you gotta have a dream. The School of Greatness. Really? [laughs] Yeah. Please welcome Lewis Howes.

0:21 Welcome back everyone to this special video all about the law of attraction. Now, this is something I'm extremely excited about because it's something I've been practicing pretty much my entire life without actually knowing I was practicing the law of attraction. And I'm gonna be talking about a lot of different ways that you can implement this, if it actually works, in every area of your life, habits you can put into your life as well throughout this entire video. But the law of attraction has been a huge part of my success and growth in multiple areas of my personal life. And I wanna dive into what the law of attraction means, and break down the different ways that you can use it to manifest your dreams and achieve anything you want in your life. But the biggest message I wanna get across when it comes to the law of attraction is that it requires effort. It requires some type of action. That's why in the word attraction, you see action in the word. You don't just get to write down something on a piece of paper, or have a vision board, or, you know, map something out, or cut out photos and, and look at it in front of you every single day, or write down things on a piece of paper and think hard about it for a few minutes, and then expect everything in your life to change, and to be this magnet of opportunities. To have everyone that you want in your life attracted to you, money, good health, opportunities with your career. It's not gonna happen overnight like that. And I wish it did, but it's not that easy. So there are some beliefs and actions that we need to take place in order for it to work, and that's what we're going to do by diving into today. So the

Lewis Howes 1:51 first thing you wanna think about is switching from negativity to positivity. So many people get caught up in focusing on what they don't want to happen in their future. And I wanna talk about this a little bit towards the end of this video, on how to focus on some of the negative things that could happen, but really focusing on the positive for the main part of your life. We'll talk about that towards the end, 'cause this is an important distinction. But they start living almost in constant fear of what could go wrong and what won't work out. And when we come from this place of, "Well, I don't know. If I put myself out there, you know, it's not gonna work out, and then I'm gonna get made fun of, and then people... I'm gonna be embarrassed, and then I'm gonna be stressed, and no one's gonna love me." And then we go in this rabbit hole, in this kind of cycle of fear and anxiety, and that is not how you attract good things in your life. You can't start from your way of being of negativity and fear, and expect to attract beautiful things in your life. So we, we need to eliminate the negative self-talk. And an environment that's easy to get stuck in sometimes can be the negative self-talk. And there's so much negativity in the world, and if you don't actively work to shift your focus, to shift your thoughts and your mind, that negativity will consume you. And that's where the law of attraction comes in. Now, for me, it's about focusing less on what I don't want to happen in the future, and actually focus on what I do want. And again, I think a lot of people focus on what they don't want too much, and you start to attract the things you're thinking about. "I don't want this, I don't want that." Those things start to come to you. You start to see them. It's like the ex- old example of someone says, you know, "Don't think of a pink elephant." You start to see it, and you start to imagine it. If you say, "Well, I don't want to be poor," you start to feel it, and you start to imagine it, and you start to have anxiety around it. So you wanna really think about the positive things in your life. You wanna think about, "What do I wanna attract? Who do I wanna become? What do I wanna overcome?" So for example, if you're becoming a negative person, you're more likely to attract more negative people rather than positive ones, because positive people won't wanna be around you. You know, negativity keeps company, and so does positivity. When you start to see other positive people that are like you, you say, "I wanna hang out with those people. Those people are gonna continue to lift me up. I can lift them up." It's a good cycle. But the negative stuff you start to attract. When you talk about gossip, and you talk about bad news, and you talk about comparison, and judgment, and anxiety, and stress, that feeds in a community of other people that speak in the same language. So you wanna shift your language and start thinking more positively. And if you feel like you aren't deserving of a loving relationship, a loving partner, you're most likely going to attract the wrong type of people in your life. And if you're focusing on how much money you don't have in your life right now, or how your business could fail, you're not going to be able to focus your energy on the right clients or the products that will take your business to the next level, or the skills you need to develop to help you grow. Now, your thoughts dictate your actions and where your energy goes. So you wanna be thinking about, "What can I do to replace these negative thoughts, the anxiousness, or the fear? How can I replace it so my energy can go in a more positive direction?" And again, where you put your energy into is what you attract. So if you're thinking negative thoughts all day long, you're probably gonna attract that. And if you're thinking gratitude and positive thoughts, you'll start to see that show up differently. So how can we put the

Lewis Howes 5:24 law of attraction into practice? Now, let's go back to our examples and apply a new way of thinking. If you're caught in thinking negatively about the world and about yourself, this is so important, what would change inside of you if you looked around and you wrote down five things that you're grateful for about the world? Now, this for me, is part of the secret to the law of attraction. It's... The foundation is gratitude. It's your way of being, must be grateful in order to attract new things. There's so many things in my life that I should not have attracted Because I didn't have the skills, because I didn't have the tools, because I didn't have the education, because I didn't have the money, because I didn't have the resources. So many things that I shouldn't have attracted, but because I had the foundation of gratitude, passion, joy, curiosity, those things started to come to me, and they can come to you as well if you come from that place of gratitude as your foundation. So you wanna think about what are these things that are important to me in my life? You know, it can be simple things. It could be like this cup of coffee that I have right now. It can be that I have a roof over my head, that I've got quality friends, that I'm healthy, you know, that I'm walking in nature today. It doesn't have to be some grandiose thing that's happened to you to be grateful for. I'm so grateful for these little present moments with people that I care about, to spend an hour on the beach, to go for a walk with a friend, to have a good conversation with someone and talk about something that I'm going through. For me, that's just as meaningful. The moments in between the big moments are just as meaningful. So write down these things or think about these things. This is something I embed in my daily life. When I wake up, I think about what I'm grateful for. When I go to sleep, I, I think about and reflect on the things I'm grateful for from that day. And it's just my way of being for as much as I can. Now, I'm not perfect. I make mistakes, and there's some times I'm negative, but it's something that I try to really focus on as much as possible.

Lewis Howes 7:26 So instead of saying that you're not enough, that you don't deserve success, what if you looked in the mirror on a daily basis? I dare you to look in the mirror on a daily basis and say, "I am enough, and I do deserve the results that I wanna create in my life because I show up, because I'm consistent, because I work hard, because I care about my work." If you looked in the mirror and you did this consistently for 30 days, and you actually used the word action in attraction, and you put it into practice on a daily basis towards that growth, I'd be amazed to see what you attract and what you manifest in your life. Or if you felt like you weren't deserving of a loving partner and just kept focusing on the wrong people, what if you said, "You know what? I am deserving of a loving partner because I care deeply about those around me, and I am worthy of feeling deeply cared about myself." And what if you started to change your thoughts and behaviors around yourself and say, "I'm not gonna keep doing the things that I've

Lewis Howes 8:26 always done. I'm gonna start showing up differently and love myself, not needing someone else to love me who maybe isn't in the right mindset." And start distancing yourself from those typical patterns that you've had in the past and love yourself first and see what you attract from that loving, grateful place with yourself. Or if you are in a tough financial spot, maybe you're struggling financially and you've been trying to start a business or a side hustle. I've been there. I know what this feels like. It's not fun. For a long time, I was living on my sister's couch, and I didn't have much money. It was really stressful. I remember this feeling of being stuck, feeling like I was never going to make any money. And when I was focusing on that feeling of I'm never gonna make this money, I feel stuck, I feel trapped, when's this gonna happen, feeling this anxiousness and this stress around it, it was really impossible for me to think of creative ideas. It was impossible for me to take action because I was living in the stress as opposed to the gratitude for what I was having in that moment. I should have been focusing on, you know what? My sister is allowing me to stay here for free, so I have some time to learn a new skill. I made $100 this day. I should be grateful for that. Not a focusing on what I'm lacking or what I don't have, but what I am creating on a daily basis. And I started to ask different questions around this time, like how can I be of service to other people? How can I add as much value to someone else? Or what are my top skill sets that I can use to my advantage that no one else has? Like, what do I have? I started writing a list of all these different skills that I had. Even when I didn't think I had many skills, I still wrote down a list of the qualities I have, of the skills from the past that maybe I could apply to right now. And when I began asking those types of questions, I started attracting the people who needed my skill sets and services. And I finally started to make more money than ever before because I was thinking about serving others. I was thinking from a positive, grateful standpoint about helping others and starting a, a side hustle, which turned into a business. Instead of thinking negatively about not having any money, or I'm sleeping on my sister's couch, and why is it taking me so long to create this, and I'll never make anything from this situation, I started focusing on how can I add value, as much value as possible, to this one person in front of me right now. How can I serve them? How can I create for them? How can I connect someone to them that could help them? What can I do to add value and help someone else achieve their goals? Because I think as Zig Ziglar said, "If you want to accomplish all of your goals, help other people accomplish their goals." And that's what I started focusing on. Not what I'm lacking, but how can I give and how can I add value to other people. When you focus outward on service, you start to really attract some incredible things in your life. It's unbelievable the ripple effect, the domino effect, one person helping another person, how it comes back around to you. And if you've ever felt this for yourself, leave a comment below of this feeling you've had when you started adding more and more value, getting out of a negative situation inside your mind and in

Lewis Howes 11:28 your body, focusing outward on helping others. It's incredible the things you can start to attract and manifest in your life. So we wanna talk about practice for reflecting on your life, and I want you to look at your relationships, your health, your business, and the, the key areas of your life that are meaningful to you and ask yourself these questions. Who are you spending too much energy on? Think about this right now. Who are you spending too much energy on in your life? Literally, you can write this down, or you can just think, like, who are the three to four people in my life that I'm spending too much time on? That maybe I don't need to be spending this time on these individuals. What aspects of your health are hurting you because your energy is spent on things that don't support you, that don't give you more energy? For your business, what tasks or projects are taking up so much time that are stressing you out without much reward? Whether personal joy, whether it be actual financial reward, or moving a project forward, what are those tasks that you're in control freak mindset, doing too much of it, spending hours on something that you don't need to be doing? Start assessing these different areas of your life and think about what can I really let go of in this place to start attracting more? You know, energy is everything when you're thinking about a law of attraction, and you need to be coming from a, a positive, grateful, abundant feeling in order to start creating more of that. You can't come from a feeling of lack, of scarcity, of not enough, of I don't love myself. If you don't love yourself, you're saying to the world, to the universe, to other people, "Why would I work with you? Why would I connect with you? Why would I wanna be in love with you if you don't love yourself?" So you gotta start shifting that way of thinking, the way of feeling, the way of being, in order to really show up energetically around other people. One of my early mentors told me, "The world makes room for passionate people." [lips smack] Think about it. If you are slunched over every single day like this, lacking confidence, stressed, anxious, you d- you know, depressed, and you're unable to get out of your own way because you're constantly thinking about how much you don't love yourself. I've been there. I know this feeling. If you're in that state, people aren't attracted to that. They're attracted to someone who is humble, yet confident at the same time in their abilities, someone who cares and can look other people in the eye, someone who's got a big heart and opens up, and is, and is willing to receive information, not someone who's slouched over and has, you know, a middle finger up to the world. They want people who are open, who are willing, who are down to try things, who are passionate, at least passionate about the thing they care about. And when you show you are passionate about something, people are attracted to energy that is passionate, that is grateful, that is fun, that is loving, that is expressive, that is creative, that is expansive. They're not attracted to people who are closed off and guarded. That is not attractive. That is not sexy in any part of life, in a relationship, health, business. You're not gonna attract people from that place. So we're working to reprogram your mind and break the patterns that have been leading your life because [lips smack] I've been there in so many different areas of my life for many different years that have held me back. In some, I've been confident in certain areas, in others, I've lacked confidence, and this is a process, and this is a journey, and it's not gonna happen overnight. But we want to identify where your

Lewis Howes 15:01 energy is going and focus on where is that e- energy and effort leading you and helping you. And as the author of The Secret, Rhonda Byrne told me in our interview last year, she said, "When you start noticing a damaging pattern, you can replace it with a new one." But you need to identify what the patterns are. I think sometimes we get... We just aren't even aware. It's just a pattern that's running. It's something that's happening, and maybe it's been happening for months or years or decades. We're not even aware. It's just become our identity. So when you identify the negative identity patterns that are holding you back, that's the first step, and you can start to really shift and replace it with a new identity, a new pattern that you can implement. And you wanna think about the people in your life. Now, are the people you spend your time with giving you energy or are they draining you of your energy? And this is also, you know, a side note, just because someone [lips smack] maybe doesn't agree with you or has different beliefs or, you know, makes you feel reactive, doesn't mean that they're als- they're always this toxic person. You get to figure out how you can respond to people because not everyone's gonna be a perfect human being around you all day long. You've gotta learn how to respond and let go of the triggers that have been holding you back. It's usually never about the other person. It's always about, why is this hurting me? Why is this affecting me? Yes, if someone's being nasty towards you and, and saying mean things to you, and deliberately and intentionally trying to hurt you, that is not okay. But sometimes it's just a misinterpretation, sometimes it's a miscommunication, and we get so triggered. I know 'cause this used to be me. We get so triggered and so angry, we hold onto this. That doesn't help you. It's typically never about the other person. It's usually always about the thing we need to let go of and heal in our past, so that we can be less reactive to life's daily interactions. So you wanna think about, you know, who are those people that maybe, uh, maybe they are draining you, or maybe you need to figure out how to let go of your reactions. And if you're wanting to manifest loving relationships around you, you wanna start thinking about, you know, who are the people that are really supporting me and those that aren't? And are you keeping people around because you don't want them to, to leave your side, or, or are you keeping them around because they're actually adding value and you're contributing to adding value in their life as well? And if you are trying to put out in the world that you do

Lewis Howes 17:33 want loving relationships around you, then, then bring the joy that you wanna create and if the people currently around you don't fall into that desire, then it's time to let them go or just distance yourself. You don't have to say, "I'm cutting you out of my life forever." But start to distance yourself to create time and space for more abundance of love in your life. And for your health, think about your health. You know, how many of us feel like we are at a 10 and a 10 in our health, that we are optimal living with our bodies, our mental and emotional health? And the beliefs we hold about our bodies and health really can affect us. How we think about it can make us either sick or healthier. This is Something that I've seen for myself, and I've seen with so many people around the world, the fear of sickness and disease sometimes manifests in the body, um, faster than actually getting something physically in the body that would manifest. And I've spoken to many different health experts, scientists, spiritual leaders on the podcast who share how much impact the mind has over the body. And we live in a world where it's easy to get caught up in the negative thinking about our body, shaming our body. My body is not enough. I've got too much fat here. I'm not big enough here. I'm not s- I'm too skinny. Whatever it is, the, the, the shame, the judgment, the comparison, that will consume you, and it'll hold you back from attracting what you want. For example, you don't want people to see you in a swimsuit because you're not happy with your body, and that can make you self-conscious. It can make you feel depressed, which makes it harder to take action in the effort of attraction. So if we're constantly crippled by this fear or judgment or insecurity or shame, we're not gonna take the action to help us attract and become a magnet for what we want in our life, the magnet of abundance, of love, of, of wealth, of, of health, of good friends, of opportunities, of creation. We're not gonna be the magnet. So what if you focused on your desire to want to work out more, to eat better, to love yourself for where you are in your journey? What if you focused on that instead? And if you only focused on those pillars and not what others might think about you or how you look compared to someone else. What if you did that and focused on the day-to-day moments and the journey as opposed to where you are compared to someone else? And all of that is outside of you, and when you're putting your energy into thinking about insecurities or lack or stress or comparison, the opinions of others, or the embarrassment of someone's gonna laugh at me 'cause I don't look as good, it doesn't allow you to put energy into bettering yourself. Now, this is not easy if we've never learned how to do this. This is not something that comes natural to most people if you've never learned how to do this. This is a practice. This is something that you're gonna wanna form a, a new habit and try and consistently show up for every day if possible to support you in the different areas of your life that you wanna attract more abundance in. And with your business, how much energy are you putting into the fears of running out of money, scarcity, not having enough, of having a product that nobody will want, and comparing yourself to the other competitors and constantly competing in comparison as opposed to serving? How can I just serve the clients that I have? How can I, how can I add more value to them and let the results speak for themselves? And how can I constantly show up and be better, uh, as a leader and develop new skills so that I can attract new clients, so I can effectively have more confidence when I'm reaching out to prospects, so I can create more consistent content on social media? Whatever it is you're trying to do. But if all of your energy is spent on, on the opposite, the stress of not having enough, of trying to sell and going broke and going out of business, it's keeping you from attracting more customers. It's keeping you from innovating your product and focusing on how you're able to serve more people and serve the world. So again, it all stems from this way of being. My way of being gets to be abundance. If I want to manifest the law of attraction in my life, it gets to be gratitude, joy, passion. Uh, it gets to be self-love, 'cause you attract more from those places. But if you're coming from a place of negativity, of resentment, of anger, of fear, of stress, of I'm not good enough, why would people wanna come to something or someone that doesn't feel good enough? Why would something great be attracted to something that says, "I don't love myself." You gotta think about this. When you can come from a place of, "I love myself. I love the journey I'm on. Maybe I'm not at where I wanna be, but I love where I'm at right now, and every day I'm working towards the improvement of myself. I did the step that I said I was gonna do. I was consistent when I said I was gonna show up five days a week with my health or with these action steps." It's you following through on your commitments to yourself which will attract more goodness in your life. It's when you're constantly breaking your word is when you doubt your own self because you're not being in integrity with yourself. So here's the tricky part that'll take time to work through, yet it's so important for your growth. Where we direct our energy and focus is often related to beliefs we hold about ourselves and the world. Now, those beliefs can be traced back as early as our childhood, obviously from the different events that we go through in our childhood. And Rhonda Byrne's advice for this is, "Start to listen to yourself and look at the things that you have really strong opinions about. Where you have a really strong opinion is a belief that's underneath that. You can dissolve those beliefs and feel free. Every time you are able to drop the phrase, 'I believe,' from something, you feel completely free. It's amazing to feel light as a feather and actually feel invincible." Doubt and uncertainty play a big part in most people's lives, and those two things can be paralyzing. So just imagine living life with zero uncertainty. And when we understand and work through our beliefs that don't serve us anym- anymore, and we can start to change our thinking to, "Well, what do I want from my life?" That's when we can begin taking actions to help us achieve it. And that's what this is all about. So I wanna share a, a few ways that I've used the law of attraction in my life, and I wanna talk about some of the habits we're gonna go into here in just a moment as well. But for me, I've used the law of attraction to really manifest different accomplishments and new experiences in my... in, in just about every area of

Lewis Howes 24:08 my life. And health has always been important to me, but that doesn't mean it's always been easy. And I use- strategies. I use structure and I use accountability to help me be consistent with my health. 'Cause it's one thing to just think, "You know what? I want a health- a healthy body, I wanna be stronger, I wanna be faster, I wanna be more athletic, I wanna accomplish my athletic goals." It's one thing to say that, to visualize it, which is something that I do, which is part of the law of attraction. But man, especially if you've got a busy life, if you've got responsibilities, if you've got kids, if you've got work, if you've got... There's only so much time to really attract the things you want and take action on those things on a daily basis. So I'm a big believer in creating structure in your life, in scheduling the most important things for you on a daily basis, on creating goals for yourself, and having a coach, an accountability buddy, someone you hire that shows up for you. So my health, that's what I do. I've got, you know, a, a boxing trainer to help me improve a skill there and also get a good workout. I've got a, um, a lifting trainer as well. I schedule it in. I make time. Sometimes I have to do it in the middle of the day in between stuff in my business. Sometimes it's gotta be early in the morning. Sometimes it's gotta be at night. It's not always this most easy, ideal way of going about it, but when you want to create more in your life, when you're trying to be a bigger leader, there's gonna be more pressures and responsibilities that show up with that effort. And so it's figuring out, what is the most important things to do with my time? How do I schedule this in? How do I create accountability so I make sure I show up for my dreams and my goals, so that when I look back three, six, 12 months of taking consistent action, things are manifesting and I'm attracting them because I'm showing up consistently. And success was always something that I dreamed of growing up, but in my early 20s I struggled a lot from it because I wasn't really sure, like, after sports was done, I had to f- kind of refigure out, how do I apply this into life? How do I apply this into making money, into relationships? Because for me, it was all about sports, and I had the structure, I had the accountability, I had the coaches, I had the team. After that, I didn't have that, so I had to transition. I had to let go of an old identity that, that I was holding onto, this identity of being an athlete, of trying to go pro. And once that was done, I had to shed the old identity and not hold onto it, otherwise I would be suffering. I would be depressed. I would be in negative thinking. I'd be thinking that I wasn't enough, that no one cared about me because they only cared about the old me. So I had to let that go, and so I could start attracting from a new space, a new identity. Another question that people like to ask me is, "How did you use the law of attraction to start achieving success when starting out as well as in the current moment?" So how did I achieve success starting out, and also now how am I using it to accomplish what I want? Now, relationships are what matter most to me. A friend and mentor and coach of mine, Chris Lee, says that the key to success in life is relationships, and the key to successful relationships is vulnerability. And it's something that I truly believe in. If you wanna get s- super connected to someone extremely fast, be vulnerable right away, and that'll open you up, and that'll create that trust and relationship with that other person to be vulnerable as well. So relationships are what matter most. Health, business, life, it stems from relationships, from family, friends, finding the right partner. You know, if the relationships are in constant breakdown, your life will be in constant breakdown. It'll be hard to manifest what you want and attract the things. And I believe this area is often overlooked, and people don't realize that you can really, uh, create more control over the relationships you put the energy into. And it all starts from your intention. It all starts from the way you communicate. It starts with how you show up for yourself and the relationships with yourself. But the way I started to do it early on was kinda what I've been talking about already. I truly get so clear on my goals.

Lewis Howes 28:11 I get very clear on what I wanna attract, and I think about it. I write it down. I'll create a certificate of achievement. I'll hang it on my wall. I'll put it on my phone and say, "This happened." I sign it. I put the date of when it's gonna happen, and I really reverse engineer and say, "What are the actions to attract this goal? What are the actions to attract this goal? Who do I get to become?" You know, it starts from the way of being. It starts from your energy and your intention first. Then that energy goes into the action. So if you have a negative energy, but you're taking action every day, you won't attract the things you want and be fulfilled. Maybe you'll attract some certain things, but you'll still feel this negative lack of fulfillment because it wasn't coming from a place of joy, of gratitude, of appreciation, of growth, of possibilities, of, of creativity, of service. And that's when you, when you really shift from that intention and that energy from those places as opposed to, "I'm doing this to prove others wrong. I'm doing this to show my parents that I could do this. I'm doing this to look good. I'm doing this because I wanna have all these awards and show it off." When you come from that place, you can accomplish what you want, but at the end of the day, are you truly gonna be fulfilled? And that's something that we've all gotta learn the hard way if we're not willing to come from joy, passion, gratitude, and service. Another question someone might ask is, "How have you used the law of attraction when it comes to your friendships, business relationships, partnerships, and other relationships?" At this stage of my life, I've, I've learned a lot about relationships, and I have a long way to go to learn more about relationships. But I really think about in friendships, does this person think a similar way as me? Does this person... on a similar path of service? Does this person have a good heart? Do I have fun with this person? Can we have cool activities together that we share and enjoy? And I think about that. You know, is there a natural flow to our friendship? Is there a give and take that we both have, or am I the only one that gives and they take? I think about these things, and I try to create alignment with friends. Okay, cool, we're on a similar journey. Maybe they're in a completely different industry or career path, but if we have a similar philosophy and way of being and an energy, I like to be around positive people. So I attract friends from that same place of positivity and gratitude. In business partnerships, I think about who are the partners who will complement me, not similar to me, but who would complement me, who have other skills and assets that I don't have. And I think about what am I really talented at? How can I be a driver of this business in the skills that I have, and how can I find a complement partner who can support in the things that I'm not good at? I think about that there. In relationships, I really think about a lot when it comes to more intimate relationships. And for me, it, it starts with the foundation of four key things: spiritual connection, mental connection, emotional connection, and then for me, also, the sexual connection. But the foundation on the first three first. If you can build from that place and have a similar mindset, similar values, similar vision, that's what I really look for in more intimate relationships as well. Do we have those four foundational points in common? Are we aligned on these things? Do we have our values aligned, our vision aligned for what we wanna create in a relationship? For me, that's a big part of it, so creating from that space and attracting from that space. And that means being very courageous with your words, very courageous in your communication in saying, "This is exactly what I'm about. This is what I'm looking to create. This is where I'm going. This is my future, what I see for myself right now. Here's my values." Speaking from a place of integrity, speaking from a place of courage, to almost say, "Can this person hang? Can this person keep up with me because this is what I believe." Not hiding those things, but putting yourself out there. You'll either attract or you'll repel,

Lewis Howes 32:14 and it's better to repel quickly than keep some things hidden for a year or two and realize, oh, we don't align. So be courageous with your words. Be courageous with your, your actions and your feelings towards that. Another question, how did you visualize the School of Greatness book being at the front of the table in bookstores? So I remember for years, back in 2007, I, I read a book called The 4-Hour Workweek, and I remember at the end of this book... And for most people that, that listen or watch the show, you know that it's hard for me to finish books. I talk about this all the time, you know, growing up being dyslexic, having a second-grade reading level when I went to the eighth grade, uh, and got tested there. And so it's, it took a lot for me to wanna finish a book. I skim a lot, you know, I research and I go through books, but it's a lot for me to start from word one to the f- last word and read every word without just skimming it. [lips smack] In 2007, I read a book called The 4-Hour Workweek, and I remember at the end, I remember shutting the book and saying, "Wow, this is inspiring." It, it opened up something new for me that I never knew was possible, this kind of, like, online world that I started going down the rabbit hole and really researching more about it and reading blogs and articles a- and trying things from onward after that. This is the end of 2007 at Christmastime. And I remember closing the book and saying, "And one day, I'm gonna meet Tim Ferriss," the author of this book, "and h- and I'm gonna connect with him. We're gonna be friends. I'm gonna do business with him. And also, whoever the agent is for this book, one day, I'm gonna write a book that's gonna be a New York Time bestseller, and this agent for Tim is gonna be my agent as well." And I remember a few years later, I ended up meeting Tim. I ended up meeting Tim's agent. A few years after that, I kept creating, I kept showing up, I kept building myself, my business, my brand, that eventually, his agent was my agent. And I remember saying to him, "I wanna write a New York Time best-selling book that does something similar to the book that I read years ago, where it unlocks possibilities in other people's life. It helps them create something new. It helps them see something different they never saw, and they can take action from that place, from a new possibility." And I did this on a consistent basis. And when the book came out, the book was front and center in all Barnes & Nobles right when you walked in. It was a New York Time bestseller, and it closed the loop for me visualizing this, I think it was seven or eight years prior, where I had this dream of writing a New York Time bestseller, w- uh, doing stuff with Tim Ferriss, of his agent being my agent, and changing millions of lives. So the idea was p- planted. The seed was planted then, when I had nothing, when I was, uh, you know, I had a, a cast on my arm. I was... Just had a surgery. I was sleeping on my sister's couch. I had nothing. There was no evidence. There was no proof. There was no results that would show that I would write a New York Time best-selling book. There was nothing. There was no evidence that I had the skills. There was no evidence that I had the resources, the talent, the time to get, uh, his, his agent as my agent, to write a great book, to be able to market a book. I had no audience. I had no following. But the seed was planted at that moment, and I wrote it down, and I visualized it often. And I said, "Who do I need to become? What do I need to create? What do I need to overcome? What do I need to let go of in order to take the right actions to attract this dream?" And if you haven't gotten the book yet, make sure to check out the book, School of Greatness, and you get it anywhere. You can go online, go on Amazon, go to bookstores. Check out the book. And I hope this gives you some principles, some ideas, some strategies to help you attract more with the law of attraction from yourself. We talked about really the eight key principles that we've dissected from all the different interviews in the School of Greatness podcast. From all the greatest minds in the world, it's dissected into eight key principles here in the School of Greatness. So if you wanna create more abundance in your life, make sure you check out this book. Buy a copy, get one for your friends, and devour it. Go through it. Another question, how do you visualize The School of Greatness becoming a TV show? This is interesting. This must have been seven or eight years ago as well. I was traveling and doing more public speaking at that time, kinda getting started in my public speaking career. And I would go to all these different hotels around the country, and I remember when you turn on the TV in a hotel, it usually starts at channel one, and you see kinda the first eight to 12 channels right away when you scroll through the TV guide. And I remember seeing PBS, is usually in the top 10 channels, uh, PBS channel, and I would always see this talk show, this, uh, this talk show with inspiring people, the host and inspiring people. And I was like, "Huh." And I'd watch this talk show, and it would be back-to-back hours. Pretty much every major city I went to in the middle of the day, I'd see these back-to-back hours for this talk show on PBS, public television. And I said, "Man." My show had just gotten started at that point, The School of Greatness, and I was like, "I feel like I could do this. I mean, I'm, I'm getting similar type of guests. Like, the conversations are just as powerful. Like, huh, why couldn't I be on PBS? Why can't we create this? We already have the content." And I remember the seed was planted then. I, I saw it, and I said, "Okay, this is something I wanna create. I have no clue how to do it, but what are the steps that are gonna get me there? What do I need to do? Who do I need to become? What do I need to let go of? What insecurities? What, what do I need to build in order to attract this, in order to say PBS is gonna say yes when we come to them, or they're gonna approach me?" And seven, eight years later, we are now on public television, on PBS, around the country, and it was a process. It was a journey. It took time. It didn't happen overnight. Some things happen quickly when you start to apply the law of attraction. The bigger goals and dreams, sometimes it happens quickly, but sometimes it takes years. It really all depends on where you're at in your life. But it happened, and now we're there, and it's a beautiful experience to see, again, closing the loop from a seed that was planted six, seven, eight years ago is now happening, is now manifested, is now blossoming. And sometimes when we plant the seed, it doesn't grow overnight into this giant oak tree. It takes time to fertilize and build and water, and that's you developing new skills, overcoming challenges, and becoming a better version of yourself. So if you wanna check it out, make sure to go to lewishowes.com/watch and it'll show you where you can go on your local TV station to check out the show on public television and PBS all around the country as well. We'll have that linked up in the description below also. I wanna talk about daily habits to make the law of attraction really stick. Now, we all have busy lives, like I said, and it's not easy to break old habits or create new habits when we have responsibilities, a busy life, and you feel overwhelmed or stressed already. But there are some daily habits that you can really introduce to start utilizing the law of attraction. And step one is to visualize what you want in your life to look like the first thing in the morning. What do you want your day to look like? How do you want to feel throughout this day? Starting with this and taking it one day at a time will eventually begin to compound, and you'll have weeks where you're becoming the type of person you really wanna become, and you'll see it to manifest over time. Step two is to write down your goals for the day. Now, this is something that I do for my dreams in the future, that is big dreams and goals, but also what do I wanna accomplish today? And doing both of those, the kind of longer, bigger dreams, but also what's the daily goal. When you do that, and once you see it in your mind and put it into paper so you can remember it, it, it, it helps you revisit it to track your progress when you do this process. So really focus on writing down your goals daily and also thinking about what are my long-term goals and dreams, and what am I doing to show for them daily. Step three is to speak it out loud. Like we mentioned earlier, what if you said to yourself, "I am enough. I am worthy of love. I'm gonna serve my community today with my business or with my talents or my gifts." And saying these things out loud to yourself is like training your brain to actually believe it. And then when you say it and you follow through on the actions you commit to, that you write down, you start to believe it even more. And step four is to reflect at the end of the day on how your day went, thinking about your visualization in the morning, writing down your goals, and the spoken affirmations, tracking your progress to see how your life is changing in real time. And you can really start to see these things after a week. You implement this consistently for a week, you start to say, "Huh, I feel a little bit different. Hmm, I got a little different result today from my friends and my family and relationships." You start to see these things happening pretty quickly. And when you do this and you track the progress, it will hold you accountable, and it'll be amazing to look back on in a month from now. One of the mistakes I see most often is not getting clear about what you truly want. Now, this is, this is tough because in a, in this time during, during our, our life, there's a lot of distractions, a lot of opportunities, a lot of things that people wanna do at once. But if you're chasing so many things at once, you'll never really create and, and, and catch the one thing you wanna get. People hear about manifesting and, and start to just say things like, "Well, I want more money," or, "I wanna become the most physically fit version of myself." And then they leave it at that. And if you think or speak in those general terms, then not much happens when you do that. Here's the key. The more specific you are, the more likely the actions you take and the energy you put out will help you achieve that goal. It's all about the specifics of this. Remember when I said, when I closed the book up and I said, "I'm going to meet Tim Ferriss one day." His agent is going to be my agent. I'm gonna write a New York Time bestseller that's gonna change millions of lives around the world." I was very specific about my vision, about my goals, about manifesting what I wanted to create, and this happened. This happened specifically. I've done that in many different areas of my life. And if you aren't clear, you'll continue to go down multiple distraction paths instead of one focused one. You'll start to see opportunity after opportunity, and you'll put all your energy spread out as opposed to focused on growing in one area to start. So you need to really sit down and really think about this and get as clear as possible. That's why it's so important to write down your goals and be specific. Write down the dates by when. When do you wanna manifest this by? When do you wanna create this by? And one of the biggest mistakes people make after getting super clear on their dreams is not taking any action at all. So I'm declaring, "I'm gonna go create this goal. It's gonna happen." And then nothing happens, 'cause you can't just visualize and write down your goals, and say your affirmations, and look in the mirror and do this, and expect all your dreams to come true. You cannot do this. I see this all the time with people sharing their big goals on social media. "I'm gonna lose 100 pounds by this date. I'm gonna create this much of my business." And they start to speak it, they write it down, they got their vision board, and you see it all over social media, and then they never see them share any actions. After the first week they take action, then it gets hard. They usually don't have the other things in place, the structure, the accountability, the coaching, the support, all the things you need to really support you in consistent action, the discipline of consix- consistent action over time. And those are the things that will support you with your goals. Now, I don't want this for you. I don't want you to just have these dreams and then them not be manifested. The practices we've spoken about help you get clear. So I don't want you to just think about this and visualize this, and not get the results you want and be a magnet of attraction. The

Lewis Howes 44:21 practices we've spoken about help you get clear and in the right mindset, but you have to be willing to take action for anything to actually happen. And you have to do this consistently. When I think about the results we've created in the School of Greatness, eight and a half years, over 1,100 episodes, the consistency is something that I tell people. They say, "Lewis, what's the secret to the success of the School of Greatness and how you've got over 400 million downloads, how it's one of the biggest podcasts in the world, one of the fastest-growing YouTube channels? Now it's on PBS and public television. You've got a New York Time best-selling book. You sell at your conferences. You've got all these opportunities, seven million followers on social media. What's the secret?" I literally sound, like, so boring when I say, "You know, I just show up every day." I show up consistently every day, and I've been doing it for over eight and a half years consistently. And before that, I was doing it for 20 years, developing myself as an athlete, learning about goal setting, learning about confidence, teamwork, skillsets, all that stuff, but the key has been showing up consistently daily for eight and a half years. That's what I do. The consistency of it is the magnet, is what attracts people, is what creates respect, what creates trust, what creates authority, all these things in the space that you're in. So you wanna think about the action that goes in with this. And one of my favorite examples of this is from my friend Sara Blakely, who is the founder of Spanx. And before Spanx, she was selling fax machines door to door for years and feeling kinda hopeless about where she was going. So she went home and wrote in her journal that she wanted to invent a product that she could sell to millions of people. She wrote down that her biggest strength was sales, so if she had the right idea for a product, she could handle the rest. And she wrote that down, and she was visualizing selling to millions of people, and then a couple years later, she came up with this concept for Spanx, which has become a billion-dollar business. Now, imagine if you were able to stay consistent for two years, what would happen for you? And imagine if Sara had then given up and gone back to her old habits after a few days or a few weeks. Maybe she was excited for a little bit. She said, "You know what? I'm too scared. I don't wanna take the risk. I'm gonna give up. I'm not gonna be consistent." You know, that change didn't happen overnight, but she put these ideas on paper, visualized it, and was consistent in her action, and look what she was able to create and manifest. I am so excited for the change that you're going to be making in your life, and I actually have a free exercise all about creating your vision for your life that you can go download by going to lewishowes.com/vision. Go there right now. It's free. You can download it. Again, lewishowes.com/vision. It'll be in the description below as well. And if you go sign up there, you'll get an exercise immediately in your email that'll help you get clear on your vision and really start to manifest these things you want in your life. And I want you to share with me on social media or in the comments below in this video what you're going to be attracting and manifesting for yourself, and how you're going to put this into practice. So write down one to three big goals you wanna create for your life that you wanna attract, maybe in your relationship, your, your money situation, your health. What's a thing you wanna attract for yourself? Leave a comment below and let me know what those things are. Make sure you check out The School of Greatness book. Uh, let me know what you think about this. Get this for a few friends if you think that would be helpful for them to help them manifest and attract more. If you're looking to attract and manifest more money in your life, and if you haven't gotten the Millionaire Morning yet, make sure go to millionairemorning.com and get this. It's an amazing booklet. We've had so many people message me on this recently about how they're attracting and manifesting more, uh, wealth in their life on the Millionaire Marking- Morning. All about the habits and routines in the morning to help you become more rich and attract more wealth for yourself. So check this out. It's a short booklet that'll help you with a lot of different exercises in here. Millionairemorning.com. And we've got some more content...

48:25 That I want to share with you. If you like this, then I'm gonna share with you right after this some incredible stuff about the law of attraction, so make sure to stick around for this. And I want to remind you, if no one's told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. How has your life been post Secret?

Speaker 48:43 Oh, amazing.

Lewis Howes 48:44 The movie.

Speaker 48:45 Yeah. Abso- absolutely amazing. And I mean, it was, it was deliberate. Like, I did Oprah because I knew that Oprah lived by these principles.

Lewis Howes 48:54 Yes.

Speaker 48:54 So I knew that the show would be very constructive. And, um, because I, I mean, the... I just shared something that I discovered and I absolutely knew was the truth, you know? I looked back on my life and I could just see. My whole life just lined up in front of me, and I was just like, [laughs] "Oh, this is the absolute truth." And I, I was so amazed that I was still on, on Earth because, you know, some of the negativity that I'd got into in, in my life. I'm like, the universe definitely loves us.

Lewis Howes 49:22 Right.

Speaker 49:22 Because, yeah, because the, uh, the fact that I was still standing. So yeah, I just, um, I, I really wanted the, The Secret message to be the hero. And we can have a tendency to idolize, you know, people.

Lewis Howes 49:41 Mm.

Speaker 49:42 And, and I did not want that to happen. I didn't... I wanted people to know a little bit about me and how I discovered it and, and the year that I'd had, but I didn't want any of that to detract from the message. And so I wanted the message to be king. So I did a few things, um, that were very specific, and I had everyone in the world, like, [laughs] wanting me to do, do things. But I just didn't wanna get into, um, sort of arguments with anybody.

Lewis Howes 50:13 Mm.

Speaker 50:13 Because anybody that, that doesn't want this, that is so fine by me, you know? I'm not out to convince anybody of anything. I'm just like, I discovered this and my life is unrecognizable. Unrecognizable. And it is so easy, and you can have everything you des- You can have everything you want. You can have everything. You deserve everything. And so... And then if there are people that, that don't want that, that's totally fine. And so, um, and so that's why I was very kind of selective, and I had worked in media as well, and I knew that sometimes media can really build you up and then take you down. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 50:51 Yeah. Of course.

Speaker 50:52 So I, I didn't want to be, uh, turned into some kind of guru because I wasn't that. I'm not that. I'm just like everybody else there. I'm just your normal every day, every day something, sort of looking like a person, but... [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:06 Sure, sure.

Speaker 51:06 Um, yeah. So it, it was, it was kind of very particular-

Lewis Howes 51:11 Mm

Speaker 51:11 ... on my part. However, within those years, I spent a lot of time answering emails from people who wrote in and asking for advice on various things. So, um, also writing other books as well and working on a lot of projects. So I just dedicated my life to adding more material to make things easier for people and make life better for people-

Lewis Howes 51:35 Yeah

Speaker 51:35 ... rather than so much doing media. But then with this book, um, I don't know, there's just something inside of me said, "Now you have to do this."

Lewis Howes 51:46 Wow.

Speaker 51:46 "It's very important you do this." So here I am.

Lewis Howes 51:49 Wow. Well, I'm so grateful that you decided to come on the School of Greatness.

Speaker 51:52 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:52 I think it's a great marriage. Um, I'm curious, for those who... My audience is pretty in tune on the law of attraction and on mindset and understanding thoughts and feelings. This is something we talk about all the time, and people are truly seeking information to improve their life every day when they listen here.

Speaker 52:12 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 52:12 I'm curious for those that maybe came here for the first time, can you share what is the law of attraction, and is it possible that anyone can truly achieve what they want if they use it effectively? And w- also, part two of this question, what's the quickest way to hold you back from the law of attraction?

Speaker 52:32 So one of the ways that I talk about the law of attraction or The Secret is, is sort of in a, in a different way from the way I used to speak about it because I'm always looking c- how can I make it even simpler. And, and I mean, basically that work talks about the power of the mind and the power of thought, um, to create our physical world and material world, and then The Greatest Secret takes that to a whole new level actually.

Lewis Howes 52:59 Mm.

Speaker 52:59 And so then you really get to see that, oh my gosh, it's super easy.

Lewis Howes 53:04 [laughs]

Speaker 53:04 I can create anything I want, like really so easy, because if we have a belief it's hard, then it's gonna be hard, you know? And so, and so it has everything to do with our mind and what we believe.

Lewis Howes 53:18 Mm.

Speaker 53:18 And so if we believe a thought, it will manifest. End of story. Manifest.

Lewis Howes 53:22 So if we believe we are-

Speaker 53:24 A thought

Lewis Howes 53:24 ... deserving of great love-

Speaker 53:26 Yeah

Lewis Howes 53:26 ... then we will manifest it. If we believe-

Speaker 53:28 We will, totally

Lewis Howes 53:28 ... we are gonna be poor, we're gonna stay poor.

Speaker 53:30 Absolutely.

Lewis Howes 53:30 If we believe we don't deserve something-

Speaker 53:32 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 53:32 ... then it's not gonna come to us.

Speaker 53:33 Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting because, because, uh, for all of us, you know, and, uh, uh, we've been conditioned, you know? I mean, you were very fortunate because you, you had a, a childhood where you were... mind was opened and you were opened and your heart was opened, and that's the biggest, biggest thing, is to open yourself to the possibility that everything isn't the way it appears to be. And so even if you can just open yourself to that possibility, just for a moment, you can pick up at all the next day. You can take it all with you the next day, that it's all real and everything that you're seeing. But if you just for a moment open to the possibility that things might not be the way that you think they are, then you have the greatest opportunity to really discover something incredible, how incredible you are. So- So with The Secret, yeah, I describe it really... And so I really simplify it and the law of attraction because I would say to anybody, if you would just think about what you want, that's all you'd ever get in your life

Lewis Howes 54:40 Ooh, [laughs] it's as simple as that.

Speaker 54:42 Right? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 54:42 But a lot of people... Yeah. But a lot of people think a lot of negative things consistently.

Speaker 54:47 They do.

Lewis Howes 54:47 It's on a loop that just holds them-

Speaker 54:49 Yeah

Lewis Howes 54:49 ... into this negative pattern.

Speaker 54:50 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 54:50 So how do we break that negative thought pattern?

Speaker 54:54 Right. So, so y- I mean, the mind is like a computer program, so, and, and the fact that it's on a negative loop is because we programmed it on a negative loop. But, but you know, we could have been influenced when we were children and things like that. So, um, so i- one of the things that the mind loves is loves repetition. I mean, loves it. You know, if you really watch your thoughts, this is the same old thoughts over and over again, you know. It's just kind of dishing up the same old thing. So it loves repetition. So the way you can override a program is to put in the opposite, you know? And when you start out, you know, you feel like you're lying. You know, you'll say something like, you know, you might be really broke. Gee, I was when I was making The Secret. So, um, you, you might not have any money and you're trying to instill, you know, w- wealth and prosperity and riches, and every time you say it, you feel a contraction in your body because you know you don't have it. But, you know, truly, because I did it myself, after a while, you change it. You r- you really begin to change it, and you don't quite have that contraction anymore. And then you start to see money coming in, you know, in, in different ways. Um, and, and it, and, and... Or you can be given things that you were going to buy, and now you don't have to buy it, or... So you begin to see, you start to see signs of land, you know, is one of the great, one of the great new thought, thought, um, writers would say, talk about a sign of land. So you start to see sign of land. Now, that's what w- I did in The Secret. You can do gratitude. That will turn everything around. That will make you feel good. That will get you off the negative rant, but those negative thoughts are coming from beliefs held in the subconscious mind, right. That's where those-

Lewis Howes 56:38 Where do the beliefs stem from, for most of us?

Speaker 56:41 They stem mostly from our childhood, conditioning. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 56:46 Mm.

Speaker 56:46 Somebody's... A parent said something to us, we just swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. You know, we're like, right, that's a belief. And, uh, and so we take it in and, and then we have all these beliefs that, that, uh... And you can hear, you know, if you're, if you're talking to somebody, like, if, if, if somebody says, "Oh, I believe da, da, da, da, da," or... Because we say that all the time. Or somebody says, "I think da, da, da, da, da." Behind those two, uh, uh, b- behind those two statements are going to be a belief.

Lewis Howes 57:16 Mm.

Speaker 57:16 And so the really interesting thing, they're hard to spot because you believe they're true, [laughs] right?

Lewis Howes 57:22 They seem real. Yeah. They seem real.

Speaker 57:23 So you don't think... Yeah. You don't think they're a belief. Y- you think they're real, you know, and so they can be hard to spot. But if you start to listen to yourself, you know, I believe, or I think, or... Especially look at the things that you have a really strong opinion about.

Lewis Howes 57:38 Mm.

Speaker 57:38 Because where you have a really strong opinion is a belief that's underneath that. So, so one of the things that, in the latest book, is that I show how to, um, show how to dissolve those, those beliefs, and j- just really by some of the things that I've just mentioned. And, uh, and, and you can dissolve them, and you just feel free. Every time a belief goes out, you feel completely free. You know, it's a m- it's amazing, amazing feeling to... You just feel as light as a feather, and actually, you feel invincible.

Lewis Howes 58:14 Yeah.

Speaker 58:14 Because can you imagine, like, if we have the, the, for example, the, uh, the feeling of doubt, right? Doubt and uncertainty. Now, doubt and uncertainty play a big part in most people's lives, and they can be paralyzing, those two things. So just imagine living a life, zero doubt, zero uncertainty. I mean, incredible. But-

Lewis Howes 58:37 How do we get to a place of not doubting ourselves?

Speaker 58:40 You can, because you need to know who you are. [laughs] You need to know who you are so that you don't doubt yourself because, because the one, the one that is doubting is the ego. The one that is doubting is the mind, and it's not who we are. So then you've got to become very aware of your thoughts. That one that is doubting, the one, the negative thoughts, they're all coming from the ego.

Lewis Howes 59:01 Hmm.

Speaker 59:01 Right? All of them. Because who you are would never have a negative thought ever, ever. Who you are would never judge. Who you are doesn't have... Who you are is allowing and accepting. And so you... So all of those things are coming from the ego, and they are not who you are. And that voice in your head that you hear, that, that voice that's, you know, so familiar to you and seems to know an awful lot about you and sounds like you, that voice is not you. That voice is just a program.

Lewis Howes 59:32 Hmm. What was the voice that was in your head consistently pre-Secret that you had to overcome, that belief?

Speaker 59:40 Oh. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 59:40 And, and then, and then what's been the, the program? Because I feel like every new evolution of us is gonna be some type of thing to overcome. So has there been something you've had to overcome in the last 15 years post-Secret to get to the next level?

Speaker 59:56 Definitely negative thoughts. Definitely.

Lewis Howes 59:59 Before, before The Secret, you had a lot of negative thoughts?

Speaker 1:00:00 Oh, before the... Oh, heaps. I was like everybody. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:00:03 [laughs]

Speaker 1:00:03 I was like everybody. I was just like, oh, I was pointing out all the things that were wrong, and somehow I was kind of brought up, and I think a lot of us are, that you're a good person if you, if you point out the things that are wrong, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:00:17 Hmm.

Speaker 1:00:18 You have to speak up and say, "That's wrong." You know, "That shouldn't be happening." And, and, uh, and so I, I s- was kind of brought up with that too, and so that's brought up with judgment, and that does not help us at all. Judgment, we need to put it in the trash-

Lewis Howes 1:00:35 Yeah

Speaker 1:00:35 ... because that does, that does not belong with us, and the one who is judging is the ego. That's, it's the ego. It's judging. The one that has negative thoughts is the ego. So, so I had all of that going on. You know, I had doubt, I had uncertainty, I had feelings of unworthiness. I had ang- heaps of stress. Oh, my God. [laughs] Heaps of stress. I was like living-

Lewis Howes 1:00:57 This is pre-S- pre The Book

Speaker 1:00:58 ... pre Secret, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:00:59 Yeah.

Speaker 1:01:00 Living on the edge, you know. I was like this with life, like white knuckles, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:01:04 [laughs]

Speaker 1:01:05 What's gonna happen next, you know. Something bad's gonna happen, and being really afraid it's, you know, something's gonna happen to somebody I love, or...

Lewis Howes 1:01:12 Mm.

Speaker 1:01:13 So I mean, I lived my life like that, and, and I think everybody does, and it, and they just kind of keep it all squashed down, you know? And but most people live their life that way. And I mean, it, you know, in the last year, if you've been terrified, you know, in the last year, and really fearful in the last year, you know, all of that fear has been given to you as this lovely gift, you know [laughs] when you were maybe a child, and it's like, here's a whole lot of things to be fearful about. And, uh, and then we go through fear. And I mean, it's very easy to see that there's no pandemic. That is fear, a fear-based pandemic.

Lewis Howes 1:01:54 Mm.

Speaker 1:01:54 Why do we know that? Because there are many people who are not afraid.

Lewis Howes 1:01:59 Mm.

Speaker 1:01:59 And so if the pandemic was, uh, you know, in the world, was actually a, a real fear, um, manifestation, then every single person on the planet would be fearful. And while there are a lot of people fearful, there are still a lot who are not.

Lewis Howes 1:02:14 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:14 So that just shows you that the fear was already here with us-

Lewis Howes 1:02:19 Yeah

Speaker 1:02:19 ... you know, before the pandemic came along.

Lewis Howes 1:02:21 Right.

Speaker 1:02:22 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:02:22 And what was the, what was the belief that you still had to overcome post Secret? Because you ha- you overcame a lot to be able to create something like that, there was this incredible movement.

Speaker 1:02:33 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:02:33 But then were there other-

Speaker 1:02:34 But I-

Lewis Howes 1:02:34 ... negative beliefs that still held you back in life?

Speaker 1:02:35 Oh, yeah. The biggest one, the biggest one was that I was abundant. That was the biggest one.

Lewis Howes 1:02:42 That was your limit-

Speaker 1:02:42 Because-

Lewis Howes 1:02:42 ... a limiting belief, or...?

Speaker 1:02:44 Yeah, be- that, that was the one I, I had been brought up with, we can't afford it.

Lewis Howes 1:02:49 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1:02:49 We don't have enough, you know. And money would come into my hands, it would slip through my fingers, you know, things would break down. The universe would do all these things to get the money out of my hands. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:02:58 [laughs]

Speaker 1:02:58 It would just, like, phew, take it away.

Lewis Howes 1:03:00 Take it from you, yeah.

Speaker 1:03:01 Yeah, because I had this belief that I did not have an abundant amount of money, and, uh, that I was always in struggle, and that came from my parents. Bless them, you know, they were beautiful.

Lewis Howes 1:03:13 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:03:13 Um, but that, that came from them, you know, we can't afford it and all of those things. So I was brought up with that, as many of us are. So the, the one, one that I had the biggest thing to overcome the belief, the biggest thing to overcome was the belief in lack of money. And, and I knew I needed to overcome that for The Secret to sweep the world.

Lewis Howes 1:03:36 To be able to attract and bring you, yeah.

Speaker 1:03:38 Yeah, because if I didn't overcome that, how could it possibly...?

Lewis Howes 1:03:43 Why would money come to you then?

Speaker 1:03:44 Exactly.

Lewis Howes 1:03:45 Yeah.

Speaker 1:03:45 So I had to overcome it. I wrote-

Lewis Howes 1:03:48 How did you over- how did you overcome that?

Speaker 1:03:49 Oh, I don't know.

Lewis Howes 1:03:49 I mean, how do you overcome the, the fear-

Speaker 1:03:51 I-

Lewis Howes 1:03:51 ... of lack, of the not having enough-

Speaker 1:03:54 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:03:54 ... never, I'm not worthy of money. How do we finally transition into abundance?

Speaker 1:03:59 Mm. I did that by many, many things. I tried many things. Uh, all kinds of... I was experimenting with it. So I mean, I would just walk down the street and say, "There's prosperity out there. I'm breathing in prosperity." I'd do all these, um, affirmations, you know, I'm breathing in prosperity with every breath I take. I am, my substance is prosperity. I am abundant. I am worthy, you know. And so I would say all these affirmations, I would have them all pinned up around the apartment that I was staying in, and so that I would see them and read them every day. So that was just one thing I did.

Lewis Howes 1:04:36 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:04:36 Then what I would do, the biggest thing was because at the time I was in incredible debt. I was making The Secret, and I just didn't have the money to make it.

Lewis Howes 1:04:47 Wow.

Speaker 1:04:48 And I started out $2 million in debt, mind you, because of a whole lot of shows that went really wrong. And so-

Lewis Howes 1:04:56 Because you were producing TV shows at the time, right?

Speaker 1:04:58 Yeah, I was. And so, I mean, $2 million in debt makes it sound like I had a lot of money. I never had anything like that money [laughs] but w- i- these particular movies that we were making, they ran over budget. And so I started with $2 million in debt.

Lewis Howes 1:05:13 Wow.

Speaker 1:05:14 I remember I discovered The Secret, and I went to my accountant, and I said, "You have to do whatever it takes to keep my company afloat."

Lewis Howes 1:05:20 [laughs]

Speaker 1:05:20 "I'm gonna make something that's gonna change the world. I'm gonna make it, you keep my company going." And so, and, and he went-

Lewis Howes 1:05:27 Wow

Speaker 1:05:27 ... you know, and he just said, he just said, "Okay." And, uh, and so I took out... Oh, my gosh, I maxed every credit card I had to the limit. I, I mortgaged my home to the absolute limit. I took overdrafts out on my company so I could make the documentary. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:05:44 Wow.

Speaker 1:05:45 And, and so I had crushing debt coming in on me, and I needed more money to keep making it. So it was a journey of absolute lack, you know. At, and the lack was just an expression of what I'd been brought up with. So I had to turn that around. So one of the things I did, like the, um, when I would go and get... You used to get, then you would get your bills or accounts in the mail, you know, it wasn't all online. And so [laughs] I'd go to the mailbox and pick this up, you know, and straight away-

Lewis Howes 1:06:18 Wow

Speaker 1:06:18 ... my stom- my stomach would like blah.

Lewis Howes 1:06:20 Oh, man.

Speaker 1:06:20 And if anybody's been in that situation where you just don't have enough money and you've got all these bills, it's a horrible feeling, you know. And my, my whole body would contract and I would know that is attracting a lack of money [laughs] and that's not attracting abundance. So I used to do this thing whereby I would do gratitude and, and I would listen to music, and I would do all of, as many things as I could until I felt really, really good. And I would just say to myself, "I am abundant." And nothing would object. No thought would object. And I'm like, "Right, now's the time to open the mail, right?" When I'm feeling really, really good. And so then I would open the, the, the bills, and I would l- look at each one as though it was a check. I would imagine it's a check-

Lewis Howes 1:07:07 Wow

Speaker 1:07:08 ... not a bill. And-

Lewis Howes 1:07:09 So you played a game in your mind, and you're like, "Okay, here's-"

Speaker 1:07:11 I put a game in my mind. Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:07:12 ... "... here's a $100,000 check." [laughs]

Speaker 1:07:13 [laughs] Exactly. And I would go, "Wow, look at all the checks I've got today." And so I would do that, you know. And, and then I'd open them up, and I'd be like, "Wow, $160 check, and, you know, a $2,300 check." [laughs] And then I felt like it wasn't... I wa- I would add them all up, and that's how much I received today. And then I would think, "You know what? I need to be receiving more money than that." So I would add zeros to the, to the bills, and I would pres- pretend that they were, instead of a $160, it was a $16,000 check that was coming to me. And so I would add it all up, and I received all this money. So that was one of the other games that I played. Um, and then I did something quite radical. I... It was a s- experiment and test, and all of these things I did so that I could tell what worked, and what would work for people. And, and so I thought, "What's the way that I can feel really good about money?" 'Cause when you don't have enough, it's really hard to feel good about money, right?

Lewis Howes 1:08:17 Really hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1:08:18 Really hard. And so I thought, "What's the one way that I can feel good about money? Okay, the way that I can feel good about money is if I give some away."

Lewis Howes 1:08:28 Mm.

Speaker 1:08:29 And so what I did was-

Lewis Howes 1:08:30 But what, but what about if you have no money to give away?

Speaker 1:08:33 I didn't... I took it [laughs] I took it, I took it out on my credit card. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:08:37 Wow.

Speaker 1:08:38 I took, I took out these $20 bills on my, on my credit card. I think I could access $100 or something. So I took out all of these $20 bills, and I thought, "Right, I'm gonna walk down the street." And I said to the universe, "Show me who to give it to." And so I would walk down the street, and I was looking at everybody's faces. And I don't know if you've ever done that in your life, is just so silently walk down a street and look at people's faces, like with a heart wide open. And I was just melting, looking at all these people's faces. And, and, and then it was just amazing because the universe would just show me [laughs] who to give it to. Like, these kids walked out of a store, and they're, like, counting their money, "Oh, I don't have enough to get that," you know. They're wanting to get something in the store. And so just, you know, gave them $20 and that. And they're like, "Thanks, lady," and ran, and ran back in the store to get, you know, the ice creams or whatever they wanted. And, uh, um, it was an ice cream store, I think, they were out the front of. And so, so yeah, I just went down the street giving away this money. And, uh, and in fact, there were two... I think there was two or one $20 note that the, the... It just, like, stopped. It wasn't clear anymore who to give it to, and so I just stopped. Do you know that that was on a Friday, and on the Monday I received $25,000 in my account from a place that I never, ever, ever could have expected?

Lewis Howes 1:10:09 Wow.

Speaker 1:10:10 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:10:11 So powerful.

Speaker 1:10:12 Right?

Lewis Howes 1:10:13 It's crazy.

Speaker 1:10:13 Isn't it something?

Lewis Howes 1:10:15 Was there any of the other tests or games that you tried to, you know, change your thoughts and play with your mind to start seeing yourself as abundant and in prosperity?

Speaker 1:10:24 Yeah, I did. I did lists of all of the things that I was going to get [laughs] all the things I was going to buy, you know, when the money came in.

Lewis Howes 1:10:31 Right.

Speaker 1:10:32 Um, so I did all of these lists, and I imagined that I had those things already. Um, and yeah, and I wanted... I remember it was like I want a house on the ocean. I really went all out. You know, that was just some list. Um, one of the things I remember is that I'd always wanted a Range Rover all of my life, and that was just beyond anything I could afford, and, uh, especially in Australia. Like, they were crazy prices, so... But still, I put it on the list, and I put all these things on the list. But, you know, interestingly enough, like, I did that because that was a way to turn money around, but when The Secret got released, I didn't care about any of it because-

Lewis Howes 1:11:12 Mm

Speaker 1:11:12 ... and I didn't even care... All, all that mattered was that I had got it out into the world, and now it was in the world. It could never be taken away, and that is what mattered to me more than anything, is that that was going to get into people's hands. And so, um, but still, I have to tell you, got all the things on the list. [laughs] You know, there's amazing views out here of the ocean. Um, I ended up by getting a Range Rover. [laughs] Um, and so yeah. But I did, I did a lot of practices, and I have shared those practices in a lot of the books. And also, we created an app, which was The Secret to Money, and so there-

Lewis Howes 1:11:50 Mm

Speaker 1:11:50 ... are a lot of the practices in, that I put in that app, and I was just dedicated.

Lewis Howes 1:11:56 Wow.

Speaker 1:11:57 Because I knew this was a big thing for people, and, and that if I can do it, anyone can do it.

Lewis Howes 1:12:03 Yeah.

Speaker 1:12:03 And you've just... All you have to do is you keep doing it until you do not feel any more lack anymore, until there are no more thoughts coming up saying, "Oh, no, you're broke," you know, or thoughts where you're even looking at the money going out with logic and traction. You know. Oh, something else I did, I imagined that with those, um, bills that I would open, I imagined that I was giving those people money and helping their families and helping. So I would imagine that as well. That was something else I did, that, that I, um, um, that when I paid a bill, I would really sit down and I would think about all of the people that worked in that company, and all of their families. I would feel the feelings of all of that. Then I would think about all of the s- all of the industries that service that company-

Lewis Howes 1:12:56 Mm

Speaker 1:12:56 ... that I was paying the money to, and that all of the- The money that I'm paying affects all of those people, and helps their family, and helps them get food. And so that was sort of another way that I felt really good about money.

Lewis Howes 1:13:10 Wow.

Speaker 1:13:10 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:13:11 Do you ever wish The Secret came to you sooner in your life when you were starting your career or-

Speaker 1:13:17 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:13:17 ... you know, at a place where you're like, "Man, I could really use some money right now." You know, 10 or 15 years prior. Did you ever, or are you grateful that it came at the exact moment it came?

Speaker 1:13:26 Hey, it would've been nice had it come earlier. [laughs] But I'm just fine.

Lewis Howes 1:13:31 Do you think you would've been ready for it?

Speaker 1:13:33 No. I think the timing of the universe is perfect on everything.

Lewis Howes 1:13:38 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:13:38 And I don't think, um... I don't, I don't know that I would've heard it. I don't know. Like, I needed every single thing that took place in my life to happen, and I had a couple of really rough years before 2004, and then 2004 was a doozy. That's why it knocked me to my, knocked me to the ground. And I've looked back on all of those things, and I'm so grateful for every one of them because I needed every one of those things to go wrong to get me to the place that I got to. And-

Lewis Howes 1:14:09 Wow

Speaker 1:14:09 ... and I'm j- I'm just so grateful. I could have, like, lived my whole life without, you know, finding anything, and I just think so bl- I'm so blessed. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:14:22 Isn't it interesting, a lot of people that I've interviewed, um, have gone through some type of big breakdown in their life-

Speaker 1:14:28 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:14:28 ... or at some stage. And isn't it interesting that it's hard for us to truly grow and find the wisdom we need to find without... when things are going good, when they're going-

Speaker 1:14:38 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:14:38 ... kind of bad. But it's almost like we need to have some type of breakdown in order... We need to have a near-death experience, a breakup in a relationship, or divorce-

Speaker 1:14:48 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:14:48 ... uh, an i- an injury, a career loss, in order for us to s- wake up and say, "Something's not working. I need to find the answers and-

Speaker 1:14:59 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:14:59 ... the information to help me improve my life." Why, why do you think it's-

Speaker 1:15:02 Oh, I know

Lewis Howes 1:15:03 ... has to be so hard for us-

Speaker 1:15:05 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:15:05 ... to seek and find the truth?

Speaker 1:15:07 Yeah. I think it's because... And, you know, I would say to people, "You do not have to suffer," you know. Um, I mean, I write books so they [laughs] don't have to suffer. You know, I... But it just does seem to happen that way, and I th- and I think there are a few reasons why. I, I think when we, when we kind of collapse, there's a part of us that surrenders a little bit. You know, if I think back to that night when I-

Lewis Howes 1:15:33 Mm

Speaker 1:15:33 ... discovered the secret, I've played that over and over in my mind. And, uh, and definitely I was... I mean, there was n- there was not the ego that's got so many ideas and opinions. I, I've always said that night that the despair was so great inside me that my ego jumped on a horse and rode the heck out of there. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:15:56 Wow.

Speaker 1:15:56 That sort of... Because I think, I think it just collapsed, you know. And, and so there was this huge opening, and in that opening came everything. And, and so yeah, I just, I... We just, we just need to, we just need to melt. Our heart ne- our hearts need to open, and we need to get this, you know, out of the way, this knower who thinks they know everything, you know. Get this one out of the way, and our hearts open, and then, oh, my gosh, you know. It's amazing. And, and unfortunately, it can take very challenging circumstances for, for that to happen.

Lewis Howes 1:16:36 Yeah.

Speaker 1:16:37 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:16:38 It's interesting. I love, um, a lot of Jim Carrey's work as a, as an actor.

Speaker 1:16:44 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:16:44 But he's also a beautiful artist, and I love his philosophies on life. He has a, a famous quote that's, I'm paraphrasing, that says, "I, I wish everyone could b- could become rich and famous and realize it's not the key to happiness," or that it's not everything. It's something around that.

Speaker 1:16:58 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:16:58 He's like, "I wish everyone could achieve this so you could see it's not the answer."

Speaker 1:17:02 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:17:02 You, you were like a, a rocket ship, right, that went into another universe-

Speaker 1:17:08 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:17:08 ... with The Secret in terms of the movement that you created, and the, the success, and the abundance that came into your life, and the opportunities. I'm curious, did you still face any challenges even with all the acknowledgement, and success, and 30 million copies, or however many it's, it's sold now? Do you... Did you still face a lot of challenges personally in that last, you know, period?

Speaker 1:17:31 Yeah, I did. I did. Um, uh, they were kind of... They were situations that were sort of outside of what I was creating because I was creating all kinds of, you know, amazing things. But then there are people around me that I love, and they're creating. You know? And so I had, you know, a daughter who was really, really sick at one stage, and I was really afraid, fearful for her life. And so I had a whole bunch of negative thoughts that kind of took me down over that. And I went through really, really big wildfires in California. But they... By the time the wildfires came, that didn't affect me because I'd already had the second awakening, so I was just, like, cool with whatever happened. But, but between those two books, there were, there were definitely things, you know, in particular my daughter, uh, who was really struggling. So, um, so yeah, there are things, you know, that happen that are outside of what you are creating for yourself but still affect you because others are creating that.

Lewis Howes 1:18:39 Right.

Speaker 1:18:39 And so, um...

Lewis Howes 1:18:41 So even though you had the bestselling book of the last couple decades-

Speaker 1:18:45 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:18:45 ... and all these opportunities, and the abundance, and you didn't have to worry about those things anymore, it still didn't mean you didn't have your own challenges to overcome.

Speaker 1:18:54 That's right. And w- and you know what? I think, you know, as I've traveled along, we're always going to have them. Um, they, they... We're always going to have them because w- we, because everything in the universe is conspiring to send us home. And so, and the way to get us home is to have challenges so that we question things and so that we open up. And so I think we will always have challenges, but, but, big but, but you can get to a point where they don't seem like challenges at all, where they just seem like no- nothing. They don't bother you. You're not at all concerned. It's not a problem, you know? And, um, uh, and when the wildfires came, for example, uh, I evacuated, and I had a house full of, you know, beautiful things. I didn't take anything with me because if I took a whole lot of stuff with me, that would be saying to the universe, I think it's gonna burn down, right?

Lewis Howes 1:19:50 Mm.

Speaker 1:19:50 So I wasn't gonna take anything with me, and I didn't want to anyway. Uh, and I was just fine with whatever happened. It was, if it got engulfed, then that meant that, that the universe needed to move me in a different direction, and I was totally fine with that. And I, and I would know that it's for the better and for more amazing things. So I was really fine, and all the people around me were all panicked. They're like, "Oh, it's so close. You know, it's burning houses in your street." And I was just like, honestly, I never felt a shred of fear or anything at all. I was just fine with it. And so, and so that's the way we can be. You can have challenges and, uh, and in our community, there were really bad mudslides after those, uh, fires.

Lewis Howes 1:20:36 Yeah, I know. People's homes were being swept away.

Speaker 1:20:38 Yeah. And took out, you know... But some of my dearest friends died in that and-

Lewis Howes 1:20:44 Yeah

Speaker 1:20:44 ... lost houses and everything, and-

Lewis Howes 1:20:47 This was Santa Barbara area, right?

Speaker 1:20:48 Yeah, yeah. And so, um, but I mean, I was able to be of enormous help to the people around me because I, I d- was not down in the suffering where they were. I was feeling incredible compassion for everybody and everything that the community was going through. But I knew this community would rise up and be fine again, as they have, as they have done. But I just made sure that I made myself available to people to help them in their grief and, and things like that. And so, but you know, even that, you know, I was evacuated again for, like, another three weeks or a month. I didn't know if my house was still standing or not.

Lewis Howes 1:21:30 Right.

Speaker 1:21:30 But you know, it was, it was just, it was... Again, it was just fine. And I know people would be like, "But how?" You know? "How can you be like that?" And there have been other things, you know, really tough things like my daughter lost a baby and, uh, um... So all sort of things outside of my creation kind of thing, but, uh, but just didn't, didn't f- go into the suffering of those things.

Lewis Howes 1:21:54 That's good.

Speaker 1:21:54 You know?

Lewis Howes 1:21:55 How, how do we... How have you learned to eliminate suffering in your personal life through the, the good and the bad that comes in? Have you... Feel like you've mastered that, where you don't suffer anymore?

Speaker 1:22:05 I don't feel like I suffer very much, no. And, and, uh, I can't say that I, I would never again, but I can't imagine what there would be that I would.

Lewis Howes 1:22:16 Okay.

Speaker 1:22:16 And really the, the way that I did that was, uh, was really on the journey, which is all in, in the book, and it is, and it is a journey.

Lewis Howes 1:22:25 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:22:25 But one of the things, and it's in The Secret, what you resist persists.

Lewis Howes 1:22:29 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:22:29 Right? And so I came to understand that if we resisted negative feelings, then, then we just push them down inside of us and suppress them, and then they would just be sparking off at every little thing, you know? If you've got anger suppressed inside of you, you can bet there's gonna be a whole lot of things in the world that are gonna trigger that anger that is pushed down inside of you. And so I, I actually intuitively worked out that if I welcomed a negative feeling, like imagined, like, putting my arms around it and bringing it in close to me, what was so amazing, it would intensify for, like, one second to two seconds, and then it would just evaporate. You know?

Lewis Howes 1:23:16 Wow.

Speaker 1:23:17 Something that we try and push them away, you know, we don't wanna feel them. But we're not pushing them away, we're pushing them down here, which then plays havoc on our body, you know? So, so one by one, as a negative feeling would arise, I would welcome it.

Lewis Howes 1:23:34 Wow.

Speaker 1:23:34 It would dissolve, and then if it came back, it would just never be as strong like it was. It was, like, really weak. And so then I'd welcome it again until I don't feel it anymore. I don't think it's possible for me to get angry anymore.

Lewis Howes 1:23:48 Wow.

Speaker 1:23:49 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:23:49 So say someone, say, say, say someone you love or a friend of yours or someone you love-

Speaker 1:23:54 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:23:55 ... in a relationship is getting angry at you.

Speaker 1:23:58 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:23:58 And they, they get angry at you for little things, whether it's your fault or not your fault.

Speaker 1:24:03 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:24:03 How would you take on that situation?

Speaker 1:24:06 Yeah, that wouldn't bother me. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:24:08 [laughs] So, so if someone says like-

Speaker 1:24:10 Because I would just-

Lewis Howes 1:24:10 ... "Rhonda, I don't like that you did this," or, "You're bad in this area"

Speaker 1:24:14 No.

Lewis Howes 1:24:14 Would you, would you get defensive?

Speaker 1:24:16 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:24:16 Or would you just say-

Speaker 1:24:16 No, 'cause I would just look at them and see that that is not them. That's the mind and the ego talking.

Lewis Howes 1:24:23 Mm.

Speaker 1:24:23 And, and that's not them. And so I just-

Lewis Howes 1:24:25 That's powerful

Speaker 1:24:26 ... right? So just wouldn't take that personally because it's not personal actually at all. Even if somebody is coming to you with a whole lot of stuff, it's, it's just a recording, a computer pro- it's just a program in the mind, and it seems like it's personal, but it's not personal. And so I just wouldn't engage and inflame that situation, and, uh, and very often what, you know, what I would do-

Lewis Howes 1:24:49 If, what if someone-

Speaker 1:24:50 I'll take-

Lewis Howes 1:24:50 What if someone's like, "Rhonda, this book is horrible. You're-"

Speaker 1:24:53 That's all right

Lewis Howes 1:24:54 ... I don't like the way you look." Uh, you know.

Speaker 1:24:56 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:24:56 They're just saying everything is a whatever. They're saying all these things.

Speaker 1:25:00 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:25:00 They're trying to attack you.

Speaker 1:25:01 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:25:01 They're trying to pull... All these negative comments online.

Speaker 1:25:03 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:25:03 None of that would affect you?

Speaker 1:25:05 No.

Lewis Howes 1:25:06 You would just smile-

Speaker 1:25:06 No

Lewis Howes 1:25:06 ... and say, "Let me hug this emotion"?

Speaker 1:25:09 Yeah, because- Because, you know, everybody's got different opinions, and, um, and everybody's in a different place. And I just feel incredible compassion if I see somebody upset because I know that they have that emotion suppressed inside of them. I know they can't help it. It's like a pressure cooker, and it's gotta come out. That's why it's not personal because the, if the family member that's going at you and they're angry, they're angry because they've got a whole lot of anger suppressed inside of them. And so what happens is the subconscious mind is desperately looking for a trigger in the outside world-

Lewis Howes 1:25:45 Wow

Speaker 1:25:45 ... to release some of the anger. And so it's just not personal. And so I just... And you know, if somebody was, like, angry, I would just be like, "You know what? I think you're right."

Lewis Howes 1:25:54 Mm.

Speaker 1:25:54 You know, "I think you're right." Just to... I'd just be allowing of that. Now, I can't say that I don't know if every single situation in my life is going to be like that, but I have not felt anger for a long time.

Lewis Howes 1:26:06 Wow. Now, what if, what if someone's listening saying, "Well, I feel like someone's walking all over me every time."

Speaker 1:26:13 Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:26:13 "I feel like I'm a punching bag for their emotions."

Speaker 1:26:16 Mm. Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:26:16 "I feel like they just take everything out on me." Whether it's a-

Speaker 1:26:19 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 1:26:19 ... you know, they're married or a couple, what advice would you have for someone in reinterpreting that as opposed to taking it personally if they feel that way?

Speaker 1:26:28 Yeah. Well, of course you-

Lewis Howes 1:26:29 Like-

Speaker 1:26:30 ... don't want to let people walk all over you, too, you know? But you don't want to stop them when you're all full of negative emotion because then that neg... They're gonna feel the negative emotion-

Lewis Howes 1:26:41 War

Speaker 1:26:41 ... then there's gonna be fireworks, right?

Lewis Howes 1:26:43 [laughs]

Speaker 1:26:44 And so you can, you can draw the line with somebody, but if you're drawing the line and you're neutral, and you're not filled with emotion, it's so amazing to see, that person will just comply.

Lewis Howes 1:26:56 Shift. Yeah.

Speaker 1:26:57 Yeah. They'll just be like, "Oh, okay. Sorry. Didn't realize." 'Cause they don't feel any animosity or anything coming from you. So, so that would, that would be the first thing.

Lewis Howes 1:27:06 Mm.

Speaker 1:27:06 But if you cannot be in that kind of place where you're not feeling a whole lot of things, the work is an inside job. It is. If, if, if all of those thoughts are coming up from you that, you know, they're beating up on me, they're this, you've got feelings of unworthiness inside of you, this is why it's manifesting, none of those things are true. You know? People are way more magnificent than they realize that they are, they have all the power in the world, you know? And so, um... And, and yeah, so I, I just think that you, you just have to, um... I don't know. You just, you... Uh-

Lewis Howes 1:27:46 Were you, were you an angry person ever? Or did you have anger, angry emotions at any point in your life?

Speaker 1:27:53 I did. Always.

Lewis Howes 1:27:54 And when... [laughs] Do you remember the moment when you said, "I... This no longer works for me. I... It doesn't serve me anymore. I'm gonna stop being angry." Was there a moment that this happened?

Speaker 1:28:05 Yeah, I think there was. I just, I, I wanted to be... I just didn't want to suffer anymore.

Lewis Howes 1:28:10 Okay.

Speaker 1:28:10 That was really the moment for me.

Lewis Howes 1:28:11 Yes.

Speaker 1:28:12 Like, I sought the truth. I was seeking the truth because I wanted a way out of suffering. And you know, I've got an incredible life, but what I talk... When I, when I talk about suffering, what I mean is suffering from the mind, not suffering from what's happening in the world.

Lewis Howes 1:28:27 Yeah.

Speaker 1:28:27 Suffering from the mind. Suffering from this con... You know, the constant, you know, mind, you know, getting stuck into us, saying, "You shouldn't have done that. That was dumb," you know? Or, "I don't know how, how you're gonna go doing that podcast [laughs] or..."

Lewis Howes 1:28:41 Right.

Speaker 1:28:42 I mean, I don't have those thoughts anymore, but, but I would have all of those things. You know, I'd have to do a pitch, and the mind would just be, "How are you gonna do this without freezing up?" You know? "How are you gonna do this?" [laughs] And so it would just beat me up, and then you have all those thoughts, and then you feel really bad. And I just did not want to suffer from the mind anymore, and I was very clear it's not the world, it's the mind.

Lewis Howes 1:29:06 Mm. What... [sighs] I love this. You're speaking my language here, Ronna.

Speaker 1:29:09 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:29:10 I love it. What is... What would you say for someone who has a pretty good life, but they doubt themselves a lot still? Like, they wanna put this thing-

Speaker 1:29:18 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:29:18 ... out in their world, the, their book, their artwork, they wanna say how they truly feel to the person of their dreams, whatever it is, but they doubt themselves. They have a lot of-

Speaker 1:29:27 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:29:27 ... self-doubt.

Speaker 1:29:28 So there are two things that really, really work both brilliantly. One is gratitude.

Lewis Howes 1:29:34 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:29:34 You can do so much gratitude-

Lewis Howes 1:29:36 Gosh, so true

Speaker 1:29:36 ... and that, that will just wipe out those feelings. And the other thing is somebody who's feeling all of those things has a base of unworthiness, and so the... what will take that out is love. And, and so if you go about just p- looking through the day and looking for all of the things you love, I love that about that person. You know, I love this time of the year when this is happening.

Lewis Howes 1:30:03 Mm.

Speaker 1:30:04 And you know, I love this time of the year. I love holidays. You know, even though the pandemic's happening, I still love this time of the year, and I love... Yeah. I, I love, uh, whatever it is. I love this car that I drive. I feel so blessed that I have this car. Or I love the fact that I'm going to be getting a new car one day, you know? And, and so I love my bed, and I love... Oh, I love my bed. [laughs] And, and just look at all of the things that you love and really rampage it every day because as you send out all of that love, it gets multiplied and will come back into you, and gone are the feelings-

Lewis Howes 1:30:42 Yeah

Speaker 1:30:42 ... of unworthiness.

Lewis Howes 1:30:43 I love that.

Speaker 1:30:44 Gone.

Lewis Howes 1:30:44 I love that.

Speaker 1:30:45 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:30:46 Uh, I, I interviewed, uh, Liz Gilbert, who's, uh-

Speaker 1:30:49 Oh, yeah

Lewis Howes 1:30:50 ... s- someone, I, I love her energy and I love her work, and she's a, just a, a, a, a sweet woman, um, making an impact in the world. And sh- obviously she wrote the book Eat Pray Love-

Speaker 1:30:59 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:30:59 ... which I think did 12 or 15 million copies. ... uh, was a similar type of experience for her where she wrote-

Speaker 1:31:07 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:31:07 ... this book, and it took off into a major movie and, you know, all these copies-

Speaker 1:31:12 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:31:12 ... sold all over the world.

Speaker 1:31:13 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:31:13 And her life changed forever.

Speaker 1:31:15 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:31:15 And when I interviewed her, one of the things she said is, "I may never be able to recreate this type of magic. Like, I may never have write a book that sells 10 million copies again in a year. Um, you know, hopefully, and I'm gonna keep creating the work."

Speaker 1:31:29 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:31:29 Is this something that ever you face with as you... as a artist, as a creator who put something out in the world that had such momentum-

Speaker 1:31:37 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:31:37 ... and continues today to, like, sell to younger generations now and take on a new life-

Speaker 1:31:42 Sure

Lewis Howes 1:31:42 ... of its own, it seems like. It's like it's... Uh, did you ever feel like, "Man, will I ever be able to recreate this, or should I even put this new book out there because maybe it won't do as well as this previous book?" Have you ever thought that or had those feelings?

Speaker 1:31:55 I have had, I have had those thoughts, uh, way early on. Not so much now because I'm just fine with, you know, with the journey whichever way it goes.

Lewis Howes 1:32:06 Yeah.

Speaker 1:32:06 And the most important thing for me was to write this book, and that it is in the world for generations to come and, uh, for everybody now who is ready for it and then for, for future generations. That was the same with The Secret. I just knew The Secret would change lives well after all of us were no longer on the planet. But I'm just so grateful with what happened with The Secret and, uh, that... You know, I just think I'm so blessed to have had that experience, but I don't mind, you know. And, and, and this book that, that I've written, for me, like, it's the most important book that I've written. The Secret is just the best book for life on Planet Earth. There's nothing better. You know, it's very simple. It's very straightforward. It's, it's got the creative process in it. You know, ask, believe, receive. You apply it to everything. But this book frees us-

Lewis Howes 1:33:02 Mm

Speaker 1:33:02 ... forever. And so the very fact that it has manifested and is here in the world is all I ever need.

Lewis Howes 1:33:12 You're very grateful.

Speaker 1:33:13 You know? And-

Lewis Howes 1:33:13 Yeah

Speaker 1:33:13 ... yeah. And then for the lives that change from it, every one will be a blessing. And, um, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:33:21 Wh- why do you think we suffer so much? You know, I've-

Speaker 1:33:25 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:33:25 ... I've studied a lot of meditation with different teachers in, in India-

Speaker 1:33:29 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:33:29 ... and, and, uh, you know, I've got my own theories, but I'm curious, why do you think we suffer as a human race so much?

Speaker 1:33:37 Well, mostly we're ignorant of the truth, and that's causes the suffering. Um, but w- like, all, all suffering comes from the mind. You know, it doesn't come from the world. It comes from the mind. And so we, we suffer more from the thoughts by believing our own thoughts than we do from anything in the world. And, you know, the, the thoughts about 2020, way more terrifying, you know, than the thought... The mind just conscious. Like, the mind loves a drama.

Lewis Howes 1:34:09 Loves.

Speaker 1:34:09 You know, it, uh, loves a drama. Like, it'll, it, it will just, like, it will just give you so many scary thoughts around a drama-

Lewis Howes 1:34:17 [laughs]

Speaker 1:34:17 ... and get you so worked up, you know. And, uh, but, you know, the mind unfortunately, uh, is, you know, is, is... It is just our greatest tool to create the life that we want to have. But we're in a duality, so it is equally can be our torturer.

Lewis Howes 1:34:37 Oh, man. It's, it's funny you say that because, again, growing up I was studying this book called Science and Health by a woman named Mary Baker Eddy who wrote this book, and she said, uh, "Stand porter at the door of thought because those who stand porter at the door of thought, they're able to admit the good and reject evil. Those are the ones who are assured of a happier, healthier, more rewarding human experience if you can truly be a guard to negative, evil thoughts."

Speaker 1:35:07 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:35:07 Dram- drama thoughts, stress thoughts-

Speaker 1:35:09 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:35:09 ... gossip thoughts, judgment thoughts.

Speaker 1:35:11 Totally.

Lewis Howes 1:35:11 And o- and one of the practices my dad did is when we were watching football on TV growing up, he would turn the commercials off. He wouldn't allow me and my siblings to watch the commercials because-

Speaker 1:35:22 Okay

Lewis Howes 1:35:23 ... most of the commercials in the US, at least growing up and today, were around pharmaceutical drugs and-

Speaker 1:35:29 Lack of health. Lack of health

Lewis Howes 1:35:30 ... yeah, you need this drug-

Speaker 1:35:31 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:35:31 ... to help you with this thing, and you're sick, and you're sick, and you're sick.

Speaker 1:35:34 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:35:35 And it's no wonder-

Speaker 1:35:36 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:35:36 ... you know, uh, I think it's two-thirds of our country in America now is either obese or overweight-

Speaker 1:35:42 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:35:42 ... and pre-diabetic or type two diabetes.

Speaker 1:35:45 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:35:45 And the amount of medicine that we need because we're constantly being fed-

Speaker 1:35:49 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 1:35:49 ... you are sick.

Speaker 1:35:51 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:35:51 So when these thoughts enter our minds-

Speaker 1:35:54 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:35:54 ... and consume our thoughts-

Speaker 1:35:56 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 1:35:56 ... start to manifest in the, the physical body. Um, and it's something that I think we need to practice more of. It's... Out of re- I rarely watch the news because I don't want my brain to take over into this dramatic, uh, you know, soap opera of life.

Speaker 1:36:13 Yeah. Totally.

Lewis Howes 1:36:14 And I think it's-

Speaker 1:36:15 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:36:15 ... I think it's something we need to focus on more of, is being a guard to negative thoughts.

Speaker 1:36:20 Absolutely. Because one of the ways that this has happened in 2020 is because of all of the focus on it. You know, you focus on something, it gets bigger. It's as simple as that. You know, you put your mind on it, and it is just gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Lewis Howes 1:36:36 So true.

Speaker 1:36:37 And look, we've got the whole world focused on this one thing. And what happens? Here we go again, you know. And so if everybody just took their mind off it, it would disappear off the planet. You know, it'd be, it'd be gone. So-

Lewis Howes 1:36:49 If you took your mind off of it, if you didn't consume it-

Speaker 1:36:51 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:36:51 ... talk about it, think about it-

Speaker 1:36:52 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:36:52 ... obsess over it.

Speaker 1:36:53 Yeah. Every time we talk about it, every time we obsess about it, we're energizing it. We're making it bigger. It's just the way it works.

Lewis Howes 1:37:01 It's... I mean, there's a lot of other problems in the world right now, and there have-

Speaker 1:37:05 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:37:05 ... been. You know, there's, um, a lot of challenges that we're not obsessing over.

Speaker 1:37:11 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:37:11 And therefore we're not manifesting it more because we're not obsessing over it.

Speaker 1:37:15 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:37:15 It's still there. I mean- ... coronavirus or whatever would still be there but wouldn't be so magnified in our thoughts.

Speaker 1:37:21 Exactly.

Lewis Howes 1:37:21 Consuming us.

Speaker 1:37:23 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:37:23 What is-

Speaker 1:37:23 Exactly

Lewis Howes 1:37:24 ... you talk about everlasting happiness in the book.

Speaker 1:37:28 Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:37:28 How do we... I mean, it seems like you found a pretty, a pretty blissful place, but that might be... A lot of people watching or listening might say, "Well, it's must be easy for Rhonda. She's, you know, a m- a millionaire. She doesn't have to worry about money. She's got all this-"

Speaker 1:37:41 Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:37:41 "... everything going for her." But as, as the world has shown, there's been many suicides this year from a lot of wealthy people who were unhappy-

Speaker 1:37:49 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:37:49 ... when they seemingly had it all.

Speaker 1:37:51 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:37:51 How do we, how do we start to, to find the journey of everlasting happiness?

Speaker 1:37:56 Mm. I would... Because I'm a bit like, uh, um, a Jim Carrey-

Lewis Howes 1:38:02 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:38:02 ... in that, uh, you know, it's one of the really great benefits is when you do acquire all those things that, you know, I, I mean, I was born into really, really humble family. Like, they did not have much money, and many people would have considered us poor. And, uh, but, uh, y- you know, and then suddenly you get all of these things, and they're... Uh, it's all wonderful. You know, that's great. It's horrible being worried about money. It really is.

Lewis Howes 1:38:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1:38:29 But that happiness that we think that those material things will bring, it's fleeting, you know. And, and so I agree with Jim Carrey in that, in that those, those things are never going to bring you everlasting happiness. And what will bring you everlasting happiness is to know the truth about everything, and to know the truth about who you are.

Lewis Howes 1:38:52 Mm.

Speaker 1:38:53 And that will bring you everlasting happiness because that will take away all of the, all of the things that everybody is worried about, like death. All of those things will be resolved. And, um, and then you just... Everything falls into place, you know.

Lewis Howes 1:39:11 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:39:11 You're just like, wow. And, and the world and the manifestation of the world becomes even more incredible than it was. And when you're not fearful, you love so deeply. You know, the love that you have is so deep. And so here you are in this state of, I'm of total allowing and, you know, and I, I don't mind what happens, and you just got this undercurrent of happiness. Well, just imagine what law of attraction does with that.

Lewis Howes 1:39:41 Mm.

Speaker 1:39:42 No resistance, just allowing, just... It's so amazing. I mean, it just... You just have to... You don't even have to think of [laughs] something and it just comes into your life. Like, it's so fast. And one thing that I will say for sure is I think, like I've always felt, life works in the opposite way to the way we were brought up. Potentially not you, Lewis, because you were so fortunate. Um, but for most of us, it works in the op- opposite way to what we thought. And one of the things is we've all been driven to achieve and, you know, struggle to get somewhere, and you've got to work really hard, you know, to get money. There's a belief, you know. No, you don't. You know? It's, that's not the case all of the time at all. And so we, we like struggle and pushed and effort, effort, effort. And the most extraordinary thing is this, is that the more effortless you are, the greater you manifest everything that you ever dreamt of.

Lewis Howes 1:40:41 Yes. [laughs] I love it.

Speaker 1:40:42 Because... Right. Because when you have effort, you are saying, "I don't have this." You know? You're saying, "I don't have it." And the universe hears, "I don't have it." You know? And so, so when you're efforting, you're like, "I don't have it. I'm not worthy enough. I need to work harder. I need to really struggle." But if you are just completely effortless, everything just comes because there's no resistance stopping any of it.

Lewis Howes 1:41:08 What I, uh... There's a lot of... I'm a big fan of this, but I also understand the principle of, uh, working hard. As an athlete, I would have to wake up early-

Speaker 1:41:18 Sure

Lewis Howes 1:41:18 ... train to grow-

Speaker 1:41:20 Sure, sure

Lewis Howes 1:41:20 ... and, and learn my craft and put in, you know, years of practice. That was hard work, you know. It's-

Speaker 1:41:27 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:41:27 I gotta grow my muscles. It's not growing f- you know, effortlessly-

Speaker 1:41:31 Yeah, yeah

Lewis Howes 1:41:31 ... at that age. So for... And some business owners will say, you know, the key to building a, a successful business is, you know, working hard, building the right team, but showing up consistently every day.

Speaker 1:41:41 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:41:41 What would, what would you say to that thought, uh, around hard work in, for a lot of people thinking that's right?

Speaker 1:41:47 As an athlete then, you would definitely know those times when you perform brilliantly-

Lewis Howes 1:41:52 And it was effortless

Speaker 1:41:53 ... where you, where you... Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:41:55 Right. [laughs] It was effort-

Speaker 1:41:57 Well-

Lewis Howes 1:41:57 You're in the zone.

Speaker 1:41:57 It was e-

Lewis Howes 1:41:57 You're in the flow

Speaker 1:41:57 ... where you're in the zone. You're in the flow.

Lewis Howes 1:41:59 Yeah.

Speaker 1:42:00 It's just extraordinary, you know. It's like something is moving your body, not... It's just like you... It's the most incredible thing. And actors, too, have the same experience. They will have this moment when they're on stage or acting, and suddenly the ego is not there, and they are just flowing. Like, it is incredible. And I heard an actor talk about that and say, "All actors crave for that moment." You know, and so when that... Because effort comes from the ego and from the mind. That's where it all comes from. So, so we can, uh, do and achieve and have all of those things without all of that effort. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:42:39 Yeah. What's the difference between, I guess, there's still a level of needing to master your craft though, right? Like, you became a great producer and a director-

Speaker 1:42:48 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:42:48 ... and creator. That doesn't come after two days of not working on your craft, right? Because you worked on your craft-

Speaker 1:42:56 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:42:56 ... for a decade or two until you had the skill set, the knowledge, the wisdom to then-

Speaker 1:43:01 Yeah, true

Lewis Howes 1:43:02 ... put out what you needed to.

Speaker 1:43:03 Mm. You're still doing things, and it... This is the thing, because ef- being effortless doesn't mean you're not doing things. What it means is there's no effort in what you're doing. So it's, it's... So you're still doing things, but it's effortless. Like, y- you were still working out, but it was effortless. And so... 'Cause the minute you feel like you're struggling, that's the mind and that's the ego stepped in, and then it's not flowing. You know, and, and people will find when they're struggling, you know, there's... That goes wrong, and then that goes wrong, and that goes wrong. And so you still do things, and I still did all of those things. Like, before The Secret, I did everything with effort. Full effort, 1,000%.

Lewis Howes 1:43:45 Hard work-

Speaker 1:43:46 I was-

Lewis Howes 1:43:46 ... full effort. Yeah

Speaker 1:43:47 ... total queen of effort. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:43:49 [laughs]

Speaker 1:43:50 I was-

Lewis Howes 1:43:50 And you were lacking

Speaker 1:43:51 That... Oh.

Lewis Howes 1:43:51 And you were lacking abundance, and, and you were lacking-

Speaker 1:43:53 Shall we? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:43:54 ... big, and you were lacking big results and...

Speaker 1:43:56 Yeah, yeah. And so now I do... Like, I, I sat down to do this book. This book was absolutely effortless.

Lewis Howes 1:44:06 Really?

Speaker 1:44:07 Oh. Oh, my gosh. Tot- absolutely ef... The most effortless book that I have written, for sure. I mean, amazing. Really amazing. And so when I was writing The Se... I wrote The Secret in two and a half weeks.

Lewis Howes 1:44:20 Two and a half weeks?

Speaker 1:44:21 Because it just, like... Wow. Because I'd made the documentary, I'd done all these practices. I knew what I wanted to share, all of the things that I wanted to share in The Secret. And so, I mean, we spent, you know, about six weeks in the editing process of it, but it just came like a rush.

Lewis Howes 1:44:39 Mm.

Speaker 1:44:39 And that two and a half weeks was effortless. And when I did this book, it was effortless. And I... And there have been books that I've gone to write where it's been a lot of effort.

Lewis Howes 1:44:49 Really?

Speaker 1:44:49 You know? Yeah, yeah. And I, and I just have to stop, because I remember I wrote a book, and I ne- and I never published it, and it was all effort, and it was, it was a year-

Lewis Howes 1:44:58 You were forcing it. You were... Yeah.

Speaker 1:45:00 Yeah, forcing it. And so then what you're writing about is you're just writing a whole lot of recycled stuff that the mind is turning up, and you are not receiving things from beyond the mind.

Lewis Howes 1:45:09 Mm.

Speaker 1:45:09 And you wanna have things beyond the mind. You know? That's why when you, when you're an athlete, and that flow and everything, that's because the mind has stopped. It's gone to the background, and now you're beyond the mind. And when you're beyond the mind, oh, anything's possible.

Lewis Howes 1:45:25 Yeah. You're tapping-

Speaker 1:45:26 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:45:26 ... into a greater source than yourself.

Speaker 1:45:28 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:45:29 What is the, what is the... Some truth that you have now about life, about the world, and about manifesting? You've, you've gone through a journey from The Secret to The Greatest Secret, and you've had some, obviously some other big books in between, but what are the, the main truths you've discovered in this journey?

Speaker 1:45:48 The world is not what we think it is.

Lewis Howes 1:45:50 Mm.

Speaker 1:45:50 The world is different from what it appears to be, and even science, quantum physics, will tell us that, you know? Um, they... With the observer effect and, you know, nothing comes into form unless there's a mind observing it. And so, so the world is not what it appears to be, and I always thought that it was separate, and this is a separate one here, and, you know, this one's born and dies, and, you know, and, uh, and everything, everything's, everything's separate, and time is real. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:46:22 Mm.

Speaker 1:46:22 And, uh, uh, and this, you know, from here to my toes is, is who I am. Um, and they're the things that, uh, they're the things that are not true, and that, and that you have to work hard and struggle. And I had no idea of the power of the mind. You know, I had no idea of the power of the mind to manifest and the power of the mind to sabotage us, you know, to har- to harm us. But I'm really clear about it now. And so, I mean, that's just... Those things are the greatest things that I would say for anybody. Because when you see the truth, and you kind of gotta see it, you know? It's not an intellectual thing. It's like, I, I think in The Greatest Secret I talk about, you know, when you see those paintings, um, where you just have to shift... You know, there's two paint-

Lewis Howes 1:47:11 The 3D.

Speaker 1:47:11 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:47:12 Yes.

Speaker 1:47:12 Where there's two paintings in the one.

Lewis Howes 1:47:13 Yes.

Speaker 1:47:14 Right? And, and first of all, you can see the one, you can see the one really, really clearly, and somebody says to you, "There's a woman on a horse-

Lewis Howes 1:47:21 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 1:47:21 ... in that painting." Right? But you can only see, you know, the chipmunks in the corner. You can't, you can't see-

Lewis Howes 1:47:27 Yeah

Speaker 1:47:27 ... the woman on the horse. And they're like, "You've just gotta look. You've just gotta change your perspective ever so slightly, and the woman on the horse will come into view."

Lewis Howes 1:47:36 Yes.

Speaker 1:47:36 Well, that is exactly the same-

Lewis Howes 1:47:39 You've got that, you've got-

Speaker 1:47:40 ... as it is to see the truth. Exactly

Lewis Howes 1:47:42 ... you've got that in the book, yeah

Speaker 1:47:42 ... Rubin's vase.

Lewis Howes 1:47:43 Yeah.

Speaker 1:47:43 Exactly.

Lewis Howes 1:47:44 I love that.

Speaker 1:47:45 And so what do people see? Do they see a vase, or do they see-

Lewis Howes 1:47:49 Two, two women, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1:47:50 Right.

Lewis Howes 1:47:50 Or two pe- two faces. Yeah.

Speaker 1:47:51 Right? Looking at each other.

Lewis Howes 1:47:53 Yeah.

Speaker 1:47:53 And you can see when you flip from one to the other, that... And that is really what it's like. We see the world is solid, and us as separate, but if we just shift our perspective ever so slightly, we see something entirely different that fr- that is completely freeing.

Lewis Howes 1:48:10 What was the perspective you still needed to shift in the last five years?

Speaker 1:48:16 The mind.

Lewis Howes 1:48:17 The mind?

Speaker 1:48:18 Working on the mind. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:48:19 Yeah.

Speaker 1:48:20 Just watching it come up, you know, watching beliefs come up, and, and being the witness, you know. You said something so wonderful, Lewis, before about, you know, what... You know, you were taught to watch those-

Lewis Howes 1:48:31 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:48:31 ... watch those negative thoughts. But, but just watching the mind instead of, like, being hypnotized by it, you know, and getting lost. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:48:39 Yeah.

Speaker 1:48:40 Getting lost, getting lost in it. But it's, uh... And, and sometimes it would just... And I'd be lost, and then I'd come out of it and be like, "Whoa, you just disappeared with the mind, you know? You just went thought after thought after thought after thought." And, but even if you only realize it the next day, at least you realized it. You know? It's great. It's a win. It's a really big win. And so, so I... It's just kind of watching the mind, and then the mind gets very still. But certainly I would say for people who've, the, who, you know, have followed The Secret, and who've integrated the law of attraction into their life, that is a massive step.

Lewis Howes 1:49:17 Yeah.

Speaker 1:49:17 Because you... Right? Training your mind to positive. And I could tell how, you know, how joyful you are, and positive you are person, just naturally that way. And so it's really easy. That's the first step, is to get the mind into positive programming, and that is so easy to do. A day of gratitude, you will see the difference the next day. You know? It's easy. And so getting it to be positive, and then it's much easier because then you're dealing with positive thoughts, and the, and you've weakened the negative thoughts. And so then you have an opportunity when a bit of drama happens, and you see them come in. The mind comes in, "Whoa, watch out. You know, you better be careful." [laughs] Um, then, then they stand out more to you. And just the biggest, biggest thing in our life for everybody is to become aware of your thoughts

Lewis Howes 1:50:08 Mm. So true.

Speaker 1:50:10 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:50:10 What's the thought you have the most right now that you're aware of in your day-to-day life?

Speaker 1:50:15 Who I am, to remember who I am-

Lewis Howes 1:50:17 Who are you?

Speaker 1:50:18 ... is the, the thought. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:50:19 Who, who are you? I mean-

Speaker 1:50:20 Conscious, consciousness. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:50:22 Yeah.

Speaker 1:50:23 Yeah. So that's, that's... And that thought isn't even coming from the mind because the mind can't recognize consciousness.

Lewis Howes 1:50:30 Ooh.

Speaker 1:50:31 Yeah. It has no hope of doing it. It can't ever do it. So when you have a thought like that, it's coming from, it's coming from consciousness, coming from above the mind. You know, I, I... There was this, there's this wonderful teacher who's in the book, Mooji, and he said... And he may not have even meant this quote in this way, but I always took it in this way-

Lewis Howes 1:50:52 [laughs]

Speaker 1:50:52 ... 'cause I absolutely loved it. He said, "You have to be like the cow that jumped over the moon." And I'm like, that's it, you gotta be like the cow that jumps over the mind. That's what you've gotta be. And I don't know if he ever meant it like that, but that image for me, that I would use that a lot. I've got to be like the cow that jumped over the mind. And, uh, and that just helped me so much to stop identifying with the mind.

Lewis Howes 1:51:20 Mm.

Speaker 1:51:20 You know? Stop identifying with it, and just to watch it, and it's glorious. You know, think about what you want, think about it, think about it, and it'll come. It'll appear. But then just be aware of your thoughts.

Lewis Howes 1:51:34 Wow. What do you want the world... Again, there's no... I don't know any interviews I can find of you online. What do you want the world to know about who you are?

Speaker 1:51:46 Who, who I am consciousness?

Lewis Howes 1:51:49 Who, who... What is, what is something, uh, that you want the world to know about you? Who's Rhonda? In the world today, what... and what is a thing that you think people might misinterpret about you? Because again, there's not a lot of-

Speaker 1:52:02 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:52:02 ... there's not a lot of content of you doing interviews online.

Speaker 1:52:06 Well, I think there's always going to be because it's a duality. There's always going to be the resistance to anything. And we've seen through history that when somebody comes out with big ideas, new ideas-

Lewis Howes 1:52:18 Mm. Mm

Speaker 1:52:18 ... you know, let's just take Galileo for example, [laughs] you know, big, new ideas. There is in- there is pushback because it's a duality.

Lewis Howes 1:52:27 Resist-

Speaker 1:52:27 Right?

Lewis Howes 1:52:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:52:28 And so I just see that as part of it, you know. This is part of the world, and there is going to be that. And, um, and so I don't, I don't mind, and, uh, I don't, I don't really see, you know, I don't really regard Rhonda as something, [laughs] as something, um, tangible. So I really wouldn't even mind what anybody thought. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:52:48 I love that.

Speaker 1:52:49 I, I don't mind.

Lewis Howes 1:52:50 You don't mind.

Speaker 1:52:50 I don't mind. It, um, you know, I guess if there was anything, she was dedicated to the truth.

Lewis Howes 1:52:56 Mm.

Speaker 1:52:57 You know? She was... Consciousness was dedicated to delivering the truth in the simplest way possible through that form.

Lewis Howes 1:53:07 Mm. That's beautiful.

Speaker 1:53:07 And, um, because somehow or another, this, this particular body and mind has a, has a, a, a real connection to simplicity. Loves simplicity. And so I everything, just want everything to be simple, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:53:23 Yeah.

Speaker 1:53:23 For people to understand it's all so simple. And a- in actual fact, you know, the greatest secret is simple. So simple. Three words will get you there. Actually, three words will get you to who you are. However, it's all of the beliefs, and the opinions, and the fixed ideas we have in our mind that then will make something very simple complicated, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:53:47 Right.

Speaker 1:53:47 "Well, I can't do that," you know? "I'm not Buddha. I'm not Jesus Christ," you know? "I can't, I can't do..." You know, "I'm just this," you know? And, uh, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:53:57 What are, what are those three words?

Speaker 1:53:59 Are you aware?

Lewis Howes 1:54:00 Are you aware? 'Cause if I'm not aware, I'm in suffering, I'm in lack, I'm in frustration, anger-

Speaker 1:54:08 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 1:54:08 ... resentment, judgment.

Speaker 1:54:09 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:54:10 But if I'm aware, I can get to a place of inner peace-

Speaker 1:54:13 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:54:13 ... abundance, love.

Speaker 1:54:15 Yeah. 'Cause you can only be aware in the present moment.

Lewis Howes 1:54:18 Mm.

Speaker 1:54:19 You know? You can't be aware in the past and the future. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:54:22 Right.

Speaker 1:54:22 They don't exist anyway, so that's... You know, they're just relative. And it's important. You know, we got calendars so you and I know to connect at this time-

Lewis Howes 1:54:30 Sure, sure. [laughs]

Speaker 1:54:30 ... and everything. So, but it's not real, and I mean, even Einstein told us that. And, but that's a hard nut to crack, you know, time, because, uh-

Lewis Howes 1:54:39 Yes

Speaker 1:54:39 ... you know, it's a hard one because the mind is born in time. The mind creates time. And so if you try and understand that there's no time with the mind, the mind just goes to... You know, you just go to marshmallow. You're like, oh, God. [laughs] That's how-

Lewis Howes 1:54:52 You know what's interesting? Another, another principle my dad taught me, he would always say that, you know, there is no time. It's infinite.

Speaker 1:55:00 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:55:00 The time is infinite. Uh, there-

Speaker 1:55:02 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:55:02 ... and he would also never celebrate my birthday as a kid growing up.

Speaker 1:55:07 Oh, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:55:07 And I never under- I never understood it.

Speaker 1:55:10 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:55:10 And I've told this story a few times to my audience-

Speaker 1:55:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Lewis Howes 1:55:12 ... might recognize it.

Speaker 1:55:12 I know.

Lewis Howes 1:55:12 But I never understood it until l-

Speaker 1:55:13 Amazing

Lewis Howes 1:55:14 ... till later in life, I was like-

Speaker 1:55:15 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:55:15 ... you know, 12 or 13, I was like, "Dad, why don't you celebrate my birthday? Do you not love me?" And he sat me down, and he's like-

Speaker 1:55:22 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:55:22 ... "It's not that I don't love you. It's that I don't want to put a number on your age to limit you because so many people in this world say they're too old, they're too young, so they can't do this."

Speaker 1:55:34 Wow.

Lewis Howes 1:55:34 "Or their time is passed."

Speaker 1:55:36 Wow.

Lewis Howes 1:55:36 "And I never want you to be limited by time."

Speaker 1:55:39 Oh my gosh, Lewis.

Lewis Howes 1:55:40 And-

Speaker 1:55:40 That is so beautiful. Oh.

Lewis Howes 1:55:42 It was... I, at the time I was like, "Yeah, but can't you just get me a cake and some presents?" [laughs]

Speaker 1:55:46 So beautiful. Yeah. I mean, you could get the cake and the presents, but then that would kind of condition you-

Lewis Howes 1:55:50 Right

Speaker 1:55:51 ... condition you to... I mean, that is absolutely beautiful. That's pure love. That is, not to want to condition you to time.

Lewis Howes 1:55:59 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:55:59 You know, because, uh, because it's not true. You know, that age, that number of your birthday, that's not true. That's not true. You're ageless. We're ageless. We don't have an age. We didn't have a beginning, and we don't have an end, you know? And so, and so I just think that was beautiful because-

Lewis Howes 1:56:17 Yeah

Speaker 1:56:17 ... you know, so impressionable as children, and it just all goes into the subconscious mind. And then you've just gotta get it out, you know?

Lewis Howes 1:56:24 Yes.

Speaker 1:56:25 Like, we have... We, we go through life, and all of this stuff goes in, and then, and then the way to freedom is, is not acquiring anything. It's taking it out. [laughs] It's taking it out.

Lewis Howes 1:56:35 Yes. Simplifying our lives.

Speaker 1:56:37 Simplifying, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:56:37 It's, it's like people wanna get big houses and then stuff it with things, and then they realize-

Speaker 1:56:41 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:56:41 ... I've gotta manage all this stuff now.

Speaker 1:56:43 Yeah. Oh, I did that.

Lewis Howes 1:56:44 And I just want a s- and I want a simple life. You know, it's-

Speaker 1:56:46 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 1:56:46 I'm all for having nice things and quality and, uh, you know, great experiences and, and everything. But I find myself every few months being like, gosh, I just wanna get rid of things in my closet, and, like-

Speaker 1:56:57 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:56:57 ... clean the space-

Speaker 1:56:58 Oh, it's beautiful

Lewis Howes 1:56:58 ... so I can have a decluttered space for a decluttered mind.

Speaker 1:57:01 Yeah. And because the, the, the, the more that you... the mind quietens, and the m- the quieter that it gets, the more orderly you have to have your life.

Lewis Howes 1:57:13 Mm.

Speaker 1:57:13 You know? The more order you want in your life. I've really noticed that about myself. [laughs] Like, it's just the order. I want everything in order, you know? And, um, no kind of chaos or anything.

Lewis Howes 1:57:26 Yes.

Speaker 1:57:26 And chaos, of course, is the mind, you know? Um, and so expressing itself, the chaos inside. Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:57:34 Yeah. What do you feel like's missing in your life right now at this stage of your life?

Speaker 1:57:39 Wow. Interesting question. Total, total full self-realization.

Lewis Howes 1:57:48 Mm.

Speaker 1:57:50 Full, full, full. Um, I'm certainly, you know, a, a long way, a little bit, um, and the book is full of teachers that have been self-realized, enlightened-

Lewis Howes 1:58:03 Yes

Speaker 1:58:03 ... whatever word you wanna use, for decades.

Lewis Howes 1:58:06 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:58:07 And, um, and I can tell by the way that the mind is not, uh... the mind is quiet, and I can tell the way things don't bother me anymore. [laughs] Like, people would... you know people that used to bother you, and situations that used to bother you, when they come up, I'm like, how was it that they ever bothered me? I don't even get... [laughs] Why did they ever bother me? I don't see anything wrong with them. And so I can tell just that, and the happiness that is with me each day. Um, but just more of that. More of it.

Lewis Howes 1:58:41 Yeah.

Speaker 1:58:41 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:58:41 That's beautiful.

Speaker 1:58:42 Just more of it.

Lewis Howes 1:58:44 I've got a, I've got a few more minutes with you. A f- a couple of final questions for you to respect our time together. Um, this is a question I ask everyone at the end of our interviews.

Speaker 1:58:53 Okay.

Lewis Howes 1:58:53 It's called the three truths. It's a hypothetical question.

Speaker 1:58:56 Okay.

Lewis Howes 1:58:57 So I'd like you to imagine that you get to live as long as you wanna live in this earth, in this body, and in this physical mind, right? And-

Speaker 1:59:04 Right

Lewis Howes 1:59:05 ... uh, but for... and you've r- achieved everything you wanna create in the world from this point on till as old as you wanna live physically. Uh, you've created it all. You've seen everything come true. You're self-realized, self-actualized. You've got more books-

Speaker 1:59:20 Mm

Lewis Howes 1:59:20 ... and wor- it's all happened. But for whatever reason, it's the last day. And for whatever reason, in this hypothetical scenario, you've gotta take all of your body of work with you. So no one has access to The Secret. No one has access to The Greatest Secret.

Speaker 1:59:34 Oh, wow.

Lewis Howes 1:59:34 No one has access to... Just imagine. It's a hypothetical.

Speaker 1:59:37 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 1:59:37 And, um, you've gotta take it all with you to the next place, wherever that is.

Speaker 1:59:41 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 1:59:41 But you get to leave behind three things that you know to be true from your entire life and your existence, and these are only three lessons that you could share with the world. And that's all they would have to remember you by are these three things.

Speaker 1:59:54 Mm.

Lewis Howes 1:59:54 What would you say are your three truths?

Speaker 1:59:57 Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want. Who you really are is deathless, infinite being, pure love, beauty. Those things are fine, I think. I was just gonna think of a whole lot of other beautiful things that we are.

Lewis Howes 2:00:14 Yeah.

Speaker 2:00:15 But-

Lewis Howes 2:00:15 Yeah

Speaker 2:00:15 ... um...

Lewis Howes 2:00:17 That's number two.

Speaker 2:00:18 And there is no death.

Lewis Howes 2:00:20 Mm.

Speaker 2:00:21 You know, a mentor of mine said to me many years ago, he said, "The greatest moment of life is the moment of death."

Lewis Howes 2:00:31 Wow.

Speaker 2:00:32 I know.

Lewis Howes 2:00:33 That's crazy.

Speaker 2:00:33 And I said, and I said, "Why is that?" And he said, "Because all the negativity falls away. It's all gone." All-

Lewis Howes 2:00:41 All the suffering, the negative thoughts

Speaker 2:00:43 ... all gone. He said, "It's the greatest moment." And he said, "If everybody knew that, they wouldn't stay." [laughs]

Lewis Howes 2:00:50 Wow.

Speaker 2:00:51 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 2:00:51 That's crazy.

Speaker 2:00:53 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:00:53 Who would you say has been the most influential person in your life-

Speaker 2:00:56 Wow

Lewis Howes 2:00:56 ... from, from birth to now? And what was the greatest lesson they've taught you?

Speaker 2:01:02 Gosh, I've had so many angels at my table, I call them, that have been incredible in my life-

Lewis Howes 2:01:10 Mm

Speaker 2:01:10 ... all along the way, pre-Secret, post-Secret. Uh, but hands down, hands down-

Lewis Howes 2:01:19 [laughs]

Speaker 2:01:20 ... is my teacher. Hands down.

Lewis Howes 2:01:22 Mm.

Speaker 2:01:22 Because I... and when I first met her, um, she walked into a room, and I understood that, been told she was a student of two of my favorite teachers, Lester Levenson and Robert Adams. And I walked up to her to say, "I can't believe that you're a student of these two incredible beings." And do you know, I walked up to her and went, went to speak to her, and in that moment I was home. Everything, anything negative, any negative memory, everything was gone.

Lewis Howes 2:02:01 Wow.

Speaker 2:02:01 And I was in so much bliss and happiness, and just tears going down my face. [laughs] And, um, and I, I was like, I thought she would think I was crazy. And she said to me, um, she just said, "Come with me." And she took me into this lovely sort of sitting area away from everybody, where everybody was, 'cause I was at a retreat. Not her retreat, but I was at a retreat. And I sat down with her, and yeah, that was just the most incre- So it's definitely my teacher, and my teacher showing me constantly who I really am.

Lewis Howes 2:02:38 Wow.

Speaker 2:02:39 And constantly showing me the tricks of the mind that she calls the troublemaker.

Lewis Howes 2:02:45 Hmm.

Speaker 2:02:46 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:02:47 What's her name?

Speaker 2:02:47 So de- definitely her. I... She wants to remain anonymous.

Lewis Howes 2:02:51 Okay, cool.

Speaker 2:02:52 So all of her teachings are through the book.

Lewis Howes 2:02:54 Oh.

Speaker 2:02:54 I've shared... She's allowed me to share all of the words that I-

Lewis Howes 2:02:58 Wow

Speaker 2:02:58 ... that she shared with me, and all of the practices, and they're in the book. And in fact, all of the teachers in the book, every single one of them changed my life. I have-

Lewis Howes 2:03:08 Wow

Speaker 2:03:08 ... they've all been my journey from The Secret to now. And, uh, and so every one of them has... Some of them I followed for two years or three years or four years, and some of them, you know, one year or a month, but every single one of them has impacted my life in a really huge way. And so they are the journey from The Secret to now.

Lewis Howes 2:03:30 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2:03:30 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:03:31 Yeah, you have a lot of quotes from your teacher. Uh-

Speaker 2:03:34 I do

Lewis Howes 2:03:34 ... and uh, your teacher says, "Don't believe the troublemaker," and it's got a-

Speaker 2:03:37 That's right. Yeah

Lewis Howes 2:03:38 ... troublemaker right there. Um, this is a... This has been a, a, a pleasure. I've got, uh, one final question for you, Rhonda, but I wanna make sure before I ask it to let everyone know they can get this book, The Greatest Secret, right now. You can get it online, uh, Amazon. You can go to your website, rhondabyrne.com. That's B-Y-R-N-E. You can go to thesecret.tv, and I'm sure there'll be links everywhere where they can find this book.

Speaker 2:04:06 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 2:04:06 And also, get this for a friend or your whole family. This is gonna be extremely powerful, especially going into 2021, for you to understand-

Speaker 2:04:16 Yeah

Lewis Howes 2:04:16 ... the wisdom in this book. So get a few copies for yourself. Uh, make sure to share it online. And you're not, you're not f- very active yourself personally, I don't think, on social media, but you have, uh, Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook that is active with The Secret types of quotes.

Speaker 2:04:31 Yes. And I do write a lot of things. Like, during the pandemic, I was writing a lot of things to help people get through that, so I was really, uh... And the team posts those things. But uh, yeah, I was really, really, uh, really focused during that time. And, um, and I... Uh, and a lot of the things they post are things that I've written. Like, I'll write scrolls, and then they'll use those pieces on social media. So-

Lewis Howes 2:04:55 Mm-hmm

Speaker 2:04:55 ... the other thing is, too, the audiobook is being released, and, um, I'll get the guys to send you a code. It's nearly... I think it's nearly, um, finished. It has all of the teachers' voices.

Lewis Howes 2:05:07 Wow, that's cool.

Speaker 2:05:08 You know? And I, I al- always read my books, and it's... And we produced it, 'cause I have a production company. So, um, and it's amazing. It's abso- It's like a whole new level of audiobook. So-

Lewis Howes 2:05:20 Wow. I'm excited for that

Speaker 2:05:21 ... so if people don't read, you know, as I know a lot of people don't read, then the audiobook is absolutely amazing. Um-

Lewis Howes 2:05:27 Is this on audible.com, or is this just on your website?

Speaker 2:05:30 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:05:31 Yeah.

Speaker 2:05:31 It is, yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:05:31 Okay.

Speaker 2:05:31 It's gonna be everywhere. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:05:33 That's amazing.

Speaker 2:05:33 But on Audible as well, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 2:05:35 I'm, I'm very excited for this. Uh, I want to... Before I ask you the final question, I've got one final question, Rhonda.

Speaker 2:05:40 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:05:40 I wanna acknowledge, I wanna acknowledge you for a moment, because you are an incredible gift, and you have this-

Speaker 2:05:45 Oh

Lewis Howes 2:05:45 ... joyful energy, this childlike energy that continually is curious to find answers for your life. And then you're so giving in what you learn, that you create it and you package it in a way that is beautiful, that is easy to consume in a complex idea type of world. So I wanna acknowledge you for constantly-

Speaker 2:06:07 Oh, thank you

Lewis Howes 2:06:07 ... showing up even when you don't have to do anything. You created The Secret. You, you, you made it in a lot of people's mind.

Speaker 2:06:14 [laughs] Wow.

Lewis Howes 2:06:14 But you keep showing up to add value to the world. And for me, I'm really grateful that you are here-

Speaker 2:06:20 Oh, thank you

Lewis Howes 2:06:20 ... uh, a- and constantly showing up. So I acknowledge you for that, Rhonda.

Speaker 2:06:23 Thank you so much, Lewis.

Lewis Howes 2:06:24 And ho- and I hope-

Speaker 2:06:24 That's the sweetest thing. Thank you

Lewis Howes 2:06:26 ... oh, of course. And I hope we can connect in the future sometime. Uh-

Speaker 2:06:29 I do, too

Lewis Howes 2:06:29 ... uh, we're both in California, so hopefully we'll-

Speaker 2:06:31 Oh, yeah. Great

Lewis Howes 2:06:32 ... get to say hi and-

Speaker 2:06:33 Yeah

Lewis Howes 2:06:33 ... uh, a- and give you a hug sometime when I can. Uh, my final question for you, a- and again, I wanna make sure g- people get the book. They follow you on social media. We'll have all this linked up. Uh, but my final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

Speaker 2:06:46 Wow. Who we really are. [laughs] That's my definition of gr- Actually, that's the only greatness there is. Wow. So I would say any greatness that we see in the world is the greatness of the infinite being that we are. I would say that absolutely categorically. There can be no other greatness than the greatness of the infinite being manifesting through all people. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:07:12 Hmm. I love this.

Speaker 2:07:13 And I actually think everybody is filled with greatness. They just need to realize that. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 2:07:20 Rhonda Byrne, The Greatest Secret. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2:07:24 Thank you, Lewis.

Lewis Howes 2:07:24 I appreciate you very much.

Speaker 2:07:25 Thank you. I loved it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2:07:28 If a person's income is not continually growing, then it's dying. Our income should be continually growing, and I think you should always want to earn more. Not to have it, but to be able to use it, but it's gonna cause you to reach. Money's the reward received for service rendered, so you gotta provide more service. So whatever you're doing, you gotta do it better than you're now doing it