You're Accidentally Teaching Everyone Around You to Lie to You

1. 0:00 – 2:53

   Intro

   1. LHLewis Howes0:00

      25 years Secret Service, getting people to admit the worst things they've ever done. What would you say is the number one secret or communication tip to getting the truth out of anyone?

   2. BBBrad Beeler0:10

      It's not about asking the right questions. It's creating the environment where the truth doesn't hurt. What's the off ramp we can give that other person-

   3. LHLewis Howes0:17

      Wow

   4. BBBrad Beeler0:17

      ... so they can save face? You blame outside factors. You understand without agreement. You diminish impact, not culpability. You demonstrate tactical empathy and you focus on the why.

   5. LHLewis Howes0:25

      Brad Beeler spent 25 years as a US Secret Service agent, interviewing thousands of people and becoming one of the agency's top polygraph examiners and behavioral experts. Brad Beeler.

   6. BBBrad Beeler0:37

      Why is very problematic. It's putting them on the defensive. And too many times, especially if that's associated with lying, you're trying to bring their identity into play. And when someone's identity's affected, oof, that's bad.

   7. LHLewis Howes0:50

      So when you hear someone disclose something that you in your gut, in your soul are like, "This is bad," how do you respond right when you hear it to ensure that they continue to reveal all the information you wanna know?

   8. BBBrad Beeler1:03

      Wow. I would say...

   9. LHLewis Howes1:09

      You've been around some of the most powerful and influential people in the world, and some of the most, you know, I guess, disgusting people in the world-

   10. BBBrad Beeler1:16

       Yeah

   11. LHLewis Howes1:16

       ... or people who have done disgusting acts, right?

   12. BBBrad Beeler1:18

       Yeah.

   13. LHLewis Howes1:19

       How many people have you interviewed over your years?

   14. BBBrad Beeler1:21

       Probably a couple thousand.

   15. LHLewis Howes1:22

       Couple thousand.

   16. BBBrad Beeler1:23

       Yeah.

   17. LHLewis Howes1:23

       And these are people who have done crimes or potentially done crimes, right?

   18. BBBrad Beeler1:26

       Not all of them.

   19. LHLewis Howes1:27

       Yeah.

   20. BBBrad Beeler1:27

       Alleged to have committed crimes.

   21. LHLewis Howes1:28

       Right.

   22. BBBrad Beeler1:29

       But a lot of the people I did talk to, we cleared.

   23. LHLewis Howes1:30

       Yes.

   24. BBBrad Beeler1:30

       And they didn't commit those acts. Yeah.

   25. LHLewis Howes1:32

       Really?

   26. BBBrad Beeler1:32

       Mm-hmm.

   27. LHLewis Howes1:33

       Man, that's tough.

   28. BBBrad Beeler1:34

       Yes.

   29. LHLewis Howes1:34

       It's gotta be tough when you have to clear them and you're like, "Okay, they didn't commit it," too, right?

   30. BBBrad Beeler1:37

       Sometimes that's the greatest day you have, is that, you know, you come into a situation. I remember one, an individual was accused of domestic terrorism.
2. 2:53 – 7:40

   Hiding Disgust During Confessions

   1. LHLewis Howes2:53

      So how do you remove your personal feelings of like I s- this, uh, this guy's still a bad guy, right? He did something wrong over here. Let's get him for this other thing, too. How do you remove that personal feeling and really try to just get the right information to serve him even though you know he's supposed to go to jail anyways?

   2. BBBrad Beeler3:10

      Man, that's tough.

   3. LHLewis Howes3:11

      That's [laughs] ...

   4. BBBrad Beeler3:11

      That's tough, right? I mean, that's not something-

   5. LHLewis Howes3:13

      You're a scumbag here, but you weren't a scumbag here.

   6. BBBrad Beeler3:14

      Yeah. It's not something that they taught. I think it was just over a period of time, I would learn that if I had certain facial expressions. I almost view it like red light, yellow light, green light. If I have a red light expression or the way that I speak to somebody, it, it shuts them down.

   7. LHLewis Howes3:29

      Hmm.

   8. BBBrad Beeler3:29

      So they see that maybe there's some ulterior motives here, and that's in business, parenting, whatever the case may be. So I learned one time, I was talking to an individual that I believed was a serial offender against children, and he provided a disclosure. And I, I just gave that little, you know, just that little, a downward eyebrow flash.

   9. LHLewis Howes3:47

      Ant.

   10. BBBrad Beeler3:47

       And it was contempt, and he immediately shut down after that admission. And-

   11. LHLewis Howes3:51

       'Cause he felt you weren't, you didn't like what he shared.

   12. BBBrad Beeler3:53

       Correct. Like, he's not in a safe place, right? These waters are not-

   13. LHLewis Howes3:57

       Oh, interesting

   14. BBBrad Beeler3:57

       ... conducive, right? So-

   15. LHLewis Howes3:58

       So any little bit of facial expression that you give someone, when you disapprove-

   16. BBBrad Beeler4:03

       100%

   17. LHLewis Howes4:03

       ... it's gonna shut people down from telling you more about what they did.

   18. BBBrad Beeler4:07

       Absolutely, 'cause we always wanna get the why, and then I wanna get the what else. And there's so many times where, "Hey, what else?" And it's almost said assumptively if it's what else. Like imagine, you know, Lewis, and I don't know your faith, but imagine if you were a Catholic and you were going into confessional, and you walked in and there were cameras, like these beautiful cameras you had here, and there wasn't that little, uh, shroud, right?

   19. LHLewis Howes4:28

       [laughs]

   20. BBBrad Beeler4:29

       And you knew who the other person was, and they, the priest knew who you were, and you said something. You'd made a disclosure, and that priest said, "Really?" Or that priest said, "Why did you do that?" Almost like what we do sometimes as parents. We, we, we, we punish the disclosure. And, and that's what I learned is in my spoken word and, and how I look. And you are amazing at this, you know, in, in the, the community, in the podcast, in the, in the public specter because you are so good with your active listening skills-

   21. LHLewis Howes4:54

       Mm

   22. BBBrad Beeler4:54

       ... and your affect. You always kind of truly put off, and if... I think it's genuine.

   23. LHLewis Howes4:59

       It is [laughs] .

   24. BBBrad Beeler4:59

       Or else you are the greatest actor ever.

   25. LHLewis Howes5:01

       [laughs] I'm not that good of an actor. Yeah.

   26. BBBrad Beeler5:03

       But you do such a good job of, of, of inviting disclosure-

   27. LHLewis Howes5:07

       Hmm

   28. BBBrad Beeler5:07

       ... is that, uh, you're never showing that furrowed brow. And I almost have people either do a lot of Botox or have imaginary, uh, like duct tape on your forehead because I've had applicants admit to shooting, r- robbing. These are applicants for our organization. Um, some-

   29. LHLewis Howes5:22

       Wait, people are coming into Secret Service?

   30. BBBrad Beeler5:24

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
3. 7:40 – 11:48

   The Danger of Neutral Expressions

   1. LHLewis Howes7:40

      to ensure that they continue to reveal all the information you wanna know?

   2. BBBrad Beeler7:45

      Yeah, so no instant changes in body language. My facial affect doesn't be neutral. I want it to be positive. So neutral code's negative, both with first impressions and also existing impressions.

   3. LHLewis Howes7:54

      Neutral.

   4. BBBrad Beeler7:54

      Neutral code's negative, and this goes back to cavemen days. Okay? If we're going and we come across another tribe, instantaneously I'm gonna look on your face and your hands and determine, are you going to hurt me?

   5. LHLewis Howes8:05

      Mm-hmm.

   6. BBBrad Beeler8:06

      Are you gonna be somebody that's gonna potentially come into my tribe, that I might reproduce with? I mean, very primal level. If I have a neutral affect, our primitive self would code that as, "This is not good." Right? "This is not good for me. I'm gonna err on the side of caution."

   7. LHLewis Howes8:21

      Something's off. Yeah.

   8. BBBrad Beeler8:21

      "I'm gonna put horns on you and run away, fight, whatever I need to do." So that's a, when you say first impression, like when I... I'm talking about within milliseconds of seeing you. Is Lewis going to hurt me? I would see your affect right now and I'd say, "No, his hands aren't balled up."

   9. LHLewis Howes8:35

      Yeah.

   10. BBBrad Beeler8:35

       "He's not bladed his body. He's ventrally fronted-"

   11. LHLewis Howes8:38

       Yeah

   12. BBBrad Beeler8:38

       ... "showing me his-"

   13. LHLewis Howes8:39

       He doesn't have his head in his hand [laughs] , you know.

   14. BBBrad Beeler8:41

       Right.

   15. LHLewis Howes8:41

       It's like any little thing that's ... Isn't it interesting we look at hands first a lot, don't we?

   16. BBBrad Beeler8:46

       Yes.

   17. LHLewis Howes8:46

       When we're meeting someone new.

   18. BBBrad Beeler8:47

       Yeah.

   19. LHLewis Howes8:48

       And I, I heard that, I think, years ago, 'cause you'd think that you'd look originally at their eyes or something-

   20. BBBrad Beeler8:53

       Mm

   21. LHLewis Howes8:53

       ... but it's like maybe it's an eye and then the hand. And subconsciously I realized, like, yeah, when I'm meeting, especially men-

   22. BBBrad Beeler8:59

       Yeah

   23. LHLewis Howes8:59

       ... I'm trying to see, like, are they in a relaxed hand position, or are they clenched, or is there something in... Are their hands in their pocket?

   24. BBBrad Beeler9:05

       Yeah.

   25. LHLewis Howes9:05

       What do they have in their pocket? What's in their ... It's like a, you're on guard then, right?

   26. BBBrad Beeler9:10

       Yeah, so the body's being bladed is another thing that we look at. If you look at any knockout video, what happens right before? The people look away, they ball up their fist, they blade their body to their dominant side. If they're right-handed, they drop their right leg. The next thing you know it, they try to spin your chin and make you go to sleep. Is that from an officer safety standpoint, we'll look at those things, but those are primal and they... You may not pick up on it. You may not have got that training, but subconsciously it's still there. It's still in that source code-

   27. LHLewis Howes9:33

       Mm-hmm

   28. BBBrad Beeler9:33

       ... where you're picking that up subconsciously. I don't feel good here. So when I meet people, first off, handshakes. A warm, dry handshake. I put clinical grade antiperspirant on my hands when I'm gonna shake people's hands. Why? 'Cause it's always gonna be dry. When you've shaken people's hands, whether it be in competition or elsewhere and they're-

   29. LHLewis Howes9:48

       Yeah

   30. BBBrad Beeler9:48

       ... and they're wet-
4. 11:48 – 16:46

   The Confession Posture

   1. LHLewis Howes11:48

      design as well. You know, we used to have a table, which I like the table 'cause your hands are on top-

   2. BBBrad Beeler11:52

      Yeah

   3. LHLewis Howes11:52

      ... and you can kind of see the hands better I feel like. And, or, or if it goes underneath then you're like, "Okay, what's happening under there?"

   4. BBBrad Beeler11:58

      Mm-hmm.

   5. LHLewis Howes11:58

      So I like having it up there. And it also makes you feel less vulnerable if you're face onto each other-

   6. BBBrad Beeler12:04

      Yeah

   7. LHLewis Howes12:04

      ... and we're like both straight on. Then I used to have straight on, but I was like, "Uh, women, that probably doesn't feel comfortable." So I was just, I'll have it a little bit off-centered.

   8. BBBrad Beeler12:12

      That's perfect.

   9. LHLewis Howes12:13

      Then we had this in the middle, but it's like, uh, your feet, you know.

   10. BBBrad Beeler12:15

       Mm-hmm.

   11. LHLewis Howes12:15

       And so let's move it where it's not blocking, but it's still, like, here for the cups. So what would you change? Anything?

   12. BBBrad Beeler12:21

       I wouldn't change anything, and I, I would say you are very good at being observant. Watch where people's feet are. Watch where their orientation is. If you bring up a subject that maybe they don't really feel comfortable about-

   13. LHLewis Howes12:30

       Like crossed or they do this and-

   14. BBBrad Beeler12:30

       Or let's say we get 90 minutes in and people are like, "Ah, it's about time. I've kinda talked about what I'm gonna talk about," is, is I wanna be able to see that, and when we're across from a table, I can't see that. Plus a table is gonna create an artificial anchor point that they can put their arms on. I don't wanna see that, 'cause anchor points for me are some of the best ways to determine comfort, discomfort. Body language is terrible for detection of deception, but it's great for reception of message. So if I'm saying something and all of a sudden you cross your arms, it could be cold. It is-

   15. LHLewis Howes12:56

       Right, right. It's probably, yeah, yeah

   16. BBBrad Beeler12:57

       ... it is cold in here. But if you didn't do that for the first 45 minutes and it just happened now, hmm.

   17. LHLewis Howes13:02

       You notice it.

   18. BBBrad Beeler13:03

       It's a check engine light.

   19. LHLewis Howes13:04

       Interesting.

   20. BBBrad Beeler13:04

       And the same thing as that, I see that and then I see you do it with your legs, okay, how can I unwind that? Maybe I go to a lower anchor point-

   21. LHLewis Howes13:11

       Hmm

   22. BBBrad Beeler13:11

       ... at my ankles, and two minutes later, then I unwind it. Monkey see, monkey do. You'd be surprised at how many times people will unwind that. This is a confession posture, Lewis, right here. Think about this, right?

   23. LHLewis Howes13:22

       When you're leaning forward.

   24. BBBrad Beeler13:23

       Just like this. If I, if... I can't tell you how many... I mean, in school, in vid-

   25. LHLewis Howes13:27

       They say like this

   26. BBBrad Beeler13:27

       ... yeah, this, this. Just like this. People this, they look down at the ground.

   27. LHLewis Howes13:31

       Uh-huh.

   28. BBBrad Beeler13:31

       So if I'm talking to you, and I've got great rapport, I've got great respect, but I'm, I'm s- I'm seated like this.

   29. LHLewis Howes13:37

       You're-

   30. BBBrad Beeler13:37

       You may mirror me, but you're mirroring a position that's the furthest thing away from a disclosure. So the way I always teach people is I'm like, "Just when you're talking to people, talk to them like this," 'cause this to this is very close. So if you mirror me, I'm mirroring that in my benefit.
5. 16:46 – 22:54

   Creating Psychological Safety

   1. LHLewis Howes16:46

      me an example. You're back in Secret Service and you're, you know, you've got someone that did something really bad.

   2. BBBrad Beeler16:51

      Yeah.

   3. LHLewis Howes16:51

      And you're about to prep to-

   4. BBBrad Beeler16:53

      Oh, hell yeah

   5. LHLewis Howes16:54

      ... do an in- an interview with them, right?

   6. BBBrad Beeler16:55

      Yeah.

   7. LHLewis Howes16:55

      What does the prep look like, and then what is the first five to 10 minutes to really warm them up and feel emotionally safe enough-

   8. BBBrad Beeler17:03

      Mm-hmm

   9. LHLewis Howes17:03

      ... even though they know that they did something wrong-

   10. BBBrad Beeler17:04

       Yeah

   11. LHLewis Howes17:04

       ... and you know they did something wrong?

   12. BBBrad Beeler17:06

       Yeah, so let's say, uh, we worked a lot of cases in the Secret Service. A lot of people don't know is that, uh, we work a lot of cases for the National Center of Missing and Exploited Children, so a lot of child exploitation cases. People think Secret Service protection. We started in 1865 doing investigations. So for me, I was an investigations person. Uh, uh, that's what I really enjoyed doing outside of the protection. So that's how we got involved in, in doing this outside work. So the case, I- I'll give you a for instance. An individual is accused of doing some bad... I'm just gonna leave it as just some bad things to some kids.

   13. LHLewis Howes17:34

       Hmm.

   14. BBBrad Beeler17:34

       Him and his girlfriend. And-

   15. LHLewis Howes17:36

       Sexually.

   16. BBBrad Beeler17:37

       Bad. Yeah, sexually.

   17. LHLewis Howes17:38

       Yeah, yeah.

   18. BBBrad Beeler17:38

       Taking pictures, doing inappropriate things.

   19. LHLewis Howes17:40

       Yeah.

   20. BBBrad Beeler17:40

       Okay? And i- it's one of these things where I'm trying to get a site picture of what makes this person tick, pain points, organic things that I might be able to bring up. So we, we don't put information in our, our diary anymore and put it under our bed. Where do we put it? We put it online. You know? I mean, if I'm trying to find out about Lewis, I go on your-

   21. LHLewis Howes17:59

       Just every one of my posts, every-

   22. BBBrad Beeler18:00

       Yeah. I go on, you know, Caroline, you know, doing a great job distilling your, uh, your Instagram-

   23. LHLewis Howes18:05

       Yeah

   24. BBBrad Beeler18:06

       ... is that, uh, I go on there and I can find out-

   25. LHLewis Howes18:08

       What makes him tick, what's he interested in

   26. BBBrad Beeler18:09

       ... yeah, I can, I can get some of those quotes, whatever.

   27. LHLewis Howes18:11

       Yeah.

   28. BBBrad Beeler18:11

       And in this sense, that's what I did, is that this person- Had a huge Facebook presence.

   29. LHLewis Howes18:16

       Mm.

   30. BBBrad Beeler18:16

       And so I could go find out what makes him tick. And there were about 15 different things that I garnered, but one thing in particular was the fact that he loved his pit bull, and he kept having pictures of this pit bull. I didn't know how I was gonna bring this up, but-
6. 22:54 – 25:34

   Confronting Personal Betrayal

   1. LHLewis Howes22:54

      I've struggled with. There are people in my past who I've, who have done wrong to me, or in my interpretation, they've done wrong to me. I felt betrayed, I felt abandoned or whatever, abused, taken advantage of, whatever, right? Or if like they did something wrong. And for whatever reason, when I confront them, I don't have the ability to show compassion or-

   2. BBBrad Beeler23:12

      [laughs]

   3. LHLewis Howes23:12

      ... or positive affect.

   4. BBBrad Beeler23:14

      Yeah, the emotion is clouding the logic.

   5. LHLewis Howes23:16

      It is.

   6. BBBrad Beeler23:17

      And it, anytime your emotion gets involved into the situation, what's their automatic-

   7. LHLewis Howes23:23

      Defense

   8. BBBrad Beeler23:23

      ... defense mechanism. Yeah.

   9. LHLewis Howes23:24

      Yeah.

   10. BBBrad Beeler23:24

       You know? So I, I think if you change it to help me understand-

   11. LHLewis Howes23:28

       Ah

   12. BBBrad Beeler23:29

       ... almost like dot, dot, dot after that. Help me understand why. You know? Is it, you're almost putting it out there as you're doing me a favor by explaining this to me versus why.

   13. LHLewis Howes23:37

       Right, right.

   14. BBBrad Beeler23:38

       Why is very problematic. It's putting them on the defensive. And too many times, especially if that's associated with lying, you're trying to bring their identity into play.

   15. LHLewis Howes23:49

       Mm.

   16. BBBrad Beeler23:49

       And when someone's identity's affected, oof.

   17. LHLewis Howes23:51

       Gosh, I just like calling-

   18. BBBrad Beeler23:52

       That's bad

   19. LHLewis Howes23:52

       ... pe- I like calling people out on their-

   20. BBBrad Beeler23:53

       [laughs]

   21. LHLewis Howes23:54

       ... their identity. I'm like, "You're just a liar. You're a cheater," you know?

   22. BBBrad Beeler23:57

       It's a g- it feels good.

   23. LHLewis Howes23:58

       But here's the thing. Most of my childhood I had, like, little white lies constantly-

   24. BBBrad Beeler24:03

       Yeah

   25. LHLewis Howes24:03

       ... to try to protect myself.

   26. BBBrad Beeler24:04

       Yeah.

   27. LHLewis Howes24:04

       So it's also the, the part of the younger version of me that I don't like. So maybe it's part of me reflecting to myself of like, God, I was a jerk too back in my day, and I've done things that I'm not proud of, and I lied, and I cheated. I did all these things. I stole. I did these things. But it's almost like now I know how bad that was-

   28. BBBrad Beeler24:21

       Yeah

   29. LHLewis Howes24:22

       How would you confront another person personally rather than for the job who did you wrong-

   30. BBBrad Beeler24:28

       Yeah
7. 25:34 – 35:09

   Confirmation Bias in Investigations

   1. LHLewis Howes25:34

      How have you l- Like what's the strategy?

   2. BBBrad Beeler25:35

      Practice.

   3. LHLewis Howes25:36

      Okay.

   4. BBBrad Beeler25:36

      Screwing up so many times. Uh, I let my ego many times affect the results.

   5. LHLewis Howes25:42

      Really?

   6. BBBrad Beeler25:43

      Um, you know, we had a situation, uh, I did a lot of work in Chicago, my partner Brian and I, and we had a case in which we thought we were 10 foot tall and bulletproof, and it was unfortunately the death of a baby, and we had a mother/father situation. And we thought case facts looked like the guy did it. You know, confirmation bias is the worst thing that can, can come in, right?

   7. LHLewis Howes26:03

      'Cause you're assuming, you think it is, you see there might be some evidence-

   8. BBBrad Beeler26:06

      100%

   9. LHLewis Howes26:06

      ... yeah.

   10. BBBrad Beeler26:07

       And that's what horns and halos are, right? You see a negative trait or you get-

   11. LHLewis Howes26:10

       Yeah

   12. BBBrad Beeler26:10

       ... negative information and you see everything through that prism.

   13. LHLewis Howes26:12

       Mm-hmm.

   14. BBBrad Beeler26:13

       So instead of talking to the mom-

   15. LHLewis Howes26:15

       Yeah

   16. BBBrad Beeler26:15

       ... and getting some background, maybe ruling her out as a suspect, we said, "Nah, we're just gonna go talk to dad. We're gonna get this."

   17. LHLewis Howes26:20

       Really?

   18. BBBrad Beeler26:20

       Dad was so close. He was showing really close signs of emotion, but we didn't have that one little bit of information that could push it, and we didn't get it. He lawyered up. We go talk to mom. She's too emotional to really talk to, but she gives us a couple words. She says the guy's name, she says the baby, and she says bat. And it was a situation where there was a, f- a, a little souvenir baseball bat found, and it had been disinfected it looked like. If we'd a had that information from her, if we wouldn't let our egos come involved and we'd a done that interview first, that would've been probably the straw that broke the camel's back to be able to elicit that last bit of information.

   19. LHLewis Howes26:54

       From the guy.

   20. BBBrad Beeler26:55

       From the guy. And we did bad by the, that, that child. We didn't get justice for that child because of our egos and because of our maybe emotions. And this comes full circle where literally a few days after, we're given the same set of s- scenarios on a double homicide, and time is of the essence, but we can either talk to the 18-year-old kid who's never been arrested, or we can talk to the 25-year-old person that doesn't like law enforcement but that's been arrested a lot. And we kind of tried to learn from those mistakes and said, "We're gonna talk to the 18-year-old this time." And we did, and thankfully, because we were able to get the background information. This 25-year-old, um, that was accused, he was minding his own business, so we get some context. He was on the South Side of Chicago, and some Latin Kings rolled up to him. They didn't know that he was a gold glove boxer, and he knocked all three of them out.

   21. LHLewis Howes27:42

       Wow.

   22. BBBrad Beeler27:42

       And then he urinated on them. The problem with that is-

   23. LHLewis Howes27:45

       [laughs]

   24. BBBrad Beeler27:46

       ... is if you're a Gangster Disciple and you urinate on three Latin Kings, they're probably gonna come for retribution.

   25. LHLewis Howes27:50

       Oh, yeah.

   26. BBBrad Beeler27:51

       And so he catches through the grapevine that they're coming for him. They're gonna roll h- you know, three or four deep is what they called it, over to his house and kill his, uh, his family members and him. So understanding the backstory now is so important, right? 'Cause now we got the why to his what, potentially. And my partner Brian did such an amazing job because after we got that information, he talks about where they cut the gun up, how they tried to cut the gun up, how they threw it in the canal, where-

   27. LHLewis Howes28:17

       Wow

   28. BBBrad Beeler28:17

       ... so we were able to send the dive team out. But we still gotta go talk to the other potential subject. So we go in there, and he is scr- every bad thing you could say to another human being, he says to us. And-

   29. LHLewis Howes28:29

       Why?

   30. BBBrad Beeler28:30

       I think it's what he's always done to get his way, and I think he was trying to get a reaction. You know that visceral reaction you talked about-
8. 35:09 – 42:58

   The Halo and Horns Effect

   1. LHLewis Howes35:09

      halo and horns. Uh, can you share what that is?

   2. BBBrad Beeler35:12

      Yeah. It's, so I s- I, I meet you, and you have a positive attribute. I give you an affinity bias, meaning I put a halo on you.

   3. LHLewis Howes35:21

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BBBrad Beeler35:24

      I meet you, and you're having a bad day. You give me a bad look, whatever. I hear you talking poorly to your staff. I associate that as a negative act, so I'm gonna see everything through those prisms. And that can be very problematic is that I remember a case not too long ago, about four years ago when I was still with the Secret Service, where my partner and I are doing a search warrant on a child predator. And we come into the kitchen, and there's a chihuahua, and there's a pit bull. Now, there's a lot of stereotypes about those two animals, right?

   5. LHLewis Howes35:51

      Mm-hmm.

   6. BBBrad Beeler35:51

      And I don't wanna have to ever be in a situation where I have to shoot a dog, and thankfully it didn't come to that.

   7. LHLewis Howes35:57

      Yeah.

   8. BBBrad Beeler35:57

      But pit bulls can hurt you, right? So what's my focus? My focus is on the pit bull. I had put horns on the pit bull, a halo on the chihuahua.

   9. LHLewis Howes36:04

      Chihuahuas will bite you, though, if it's, if it's-

   10. BBBrad Beeler36:05

       Well, as I found out, Lewis.

   11. LHLewis Howes36:07

       You try to pet it, bah, bah, bah.

   12. BBBrad Beeler36:08

       So as I was focused, he came around behind me, jumped up, and grabbed me by the testicles.

   13. LHLewis Howes36:12

       The chihuahua?

   14. BBBrad Beeler36:13

       Chihuahua.

   15. LHLewis Howes36:14

       No way.

   16. BBBrad Beeler36:15

       100%.

   17. LHLewis Howes36:15

       It came up and jumped and bit you?

   18. BBBrad Beeler36:16

       Didn't just bite.

   19. LHLewis Howes36:17

       By the n-

   20. BBBrad Beeler36:18

       Latched on-

   21. LHLewis Howes36:19

       Oh

   22. BBBrad Beeler36:19

       ... and treated it like a Nerf ball.

   23. LHLewis Howes36:20

       Oh my God. Like, ah.

   24. BBBrad Beeler36:21

       So I have to holster up. [laughs] My partner Ryan is laughing. Uh, the bad guy in the kitchen's laughing. I think the pit bull's probably laughing that his little toady's taking care of business. And thankfully, the, the Duluth Trading Company, their fire hose pants kept me talking at the octave that I'm talking at right now.

   25. LHLewis Howes36:37

       Wow.

   26. BBBrad Beeler36:37

       So horns and halos can be very, very difficult, and not too long before that, I had fallen victim to it in a criminal case where there's a missing female And she is dating two bike members of a motorcycle outlaw gang. One member's a one percenter from the standpoint of, uh, he's 6'4", he's 250, numerous felonies. The ATF had thought he had, he had done other nefarious things in his past. If you were spinning back up Sons of Anarchy and you needed a villain-

   27. LHLewis Howes37:06

       Yeah

   28. BBBrad Beeler37:06

       ... he'd be the guy.

   29. LHLewis Howes37:07

       That's your guy. Yeah.

   30. BBBrad Beeler37:07

       The other guy was a hang-around, didn't even have a bike, 5'6", 130 pounds, dripping wet, looked like an accountant. So they're both best friends. They're dating the same female. She's disappeared.
9. 42:58 – 47:29

   The Criminal Equation

   1. LHLewis Howes42:58

      equation that you use to understand when someone commits a crime, and does it also apply to everyday bad decisions too?

   2. BBBrad Beeler43:04

      [laughs] 100% it does.

   3. LHLewis Howes43:06

      [laughs]

   4. BBBrad Beeler43:06

      Uh, yeah, so if you think about all crime, most crime can be kind of boiled down to an equation.

   5. LHLewis Howes43:12

      Uh-huh.

   6. BBBrad Beeler43:13

      You have need plus ability plus opportunity, their own internal justifications, and all of that is almost squared by stress, meaning stress is like the gasoline on that, that numerator. And then you got a denominator, which is social bonds and chances and consequences of getting caught.

   7. LHLewis Howes43:31

      Mm-hmm.

   8. BBBrad Beeler43:31

      So that's what keeps you from doing those bad things.

   9. LHLewis Howes43:33

      Oh, yeah.

   10. BBBrad Beeler43:34

       So if you wanna think of... Have you seen Breaking Bad?

   11. LHLewis Howes43:38

       Couple episodes.

   12. BBBrad Beeler43:38

       Okay.

   13. LHLewis Howes43:38

       Not the whole thing, but I knew-

   14. BBBrad Beeler43:39

       So Walter White. You understand the gist of it, right?

   15. LHLewis Howes43:41

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. BBBrad Beeler43:41

       We got a chemistry teacher, gets in the meth game.

   17. LHLewis Howes43:44

       Yes. Mm-hmm.

   18. BBBrad Beeler43:44

       All right? So if you look at his need, his need was he needed money-

   19. LHLewis Howes43:48

       Uh-huh

   20. BBBrad Beeler43:48

       ... 'cause he'd just been diagnosed with cancer. What was his ability? He was a-

   21. LHLewis Howes43:52

       He could make meth

   22. BBBrad Beeler43:53

       ... he can make meth.

   23. LHLewis Howes43:53

       [laughs]

   24. BBBrad Beeler43:54

       What was his opportunity? He knew Jesse that had the distribution networks.

   25. LHLewis Howes43:58

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BBBrad Beeler43:58

       What was his own justification? "Hey, people are gonna do it anyway. Why don't I provide them a better th-

   27. LHLewis Howes44:03

       Better service

   28. BBBrad Beeler44:03

       ... product."

   29. LHLewis Howes44:04

       Better product.

   30. BBBrad Beeler44:04

       Better service.
10. 47:29 – 52:15

    Law Enforcement's Mental Toll

    1. BBBrad Beeler47:29

       try to put that on. That always caused some, some scars, okay? It's something that I had to deal with, is that, um, I was blessed. I kinda had three different stints in our polygraph program, Chicago, St. Louis, and then, uh, the greatest thing for me was going to teach and taking a step back from being in the trenches because when you are being people's buddy that don't deserve a buddy-

    2. LHLewis Howes47:49

       Ugh

    3. BBBrad Beeler47:50

       ... I thought I was having a heart attack, I thought I was having panic attacks, and it was cognitive dissonance.

    4. LHLewis Howes47:54

       Ugh.

    5. BBBrad Beeler47:55

       If I was getting on a plane, and we travel armed, so I don't wanna have to be in a situation where, oh my gosh, I'm having a panic attack. I don't wanna lose my gun. I didn't wanna... You know, in law enforcement we always view as, uh... Man, we don't wanna go talk to the therapist. That shows you're weak. That's the old, the old me, you know? I didn't realize it's not the, the, you know, the, the old saying about it's not the water outside the hull that sinks you, it's the water that gets inside the hull.

    6. LHLewis Howes48:17

       Mm-hmm.

    7. BBBrad Beeler48:18

       And in talking to these people, I thought I was fine, but I wasn't self- taking care of myself.

    8. LHLewis Howes48:23

       You weren't releasing that e- that energy too.

    9. BBBrad Beeler48:25

       Yeah. I was just, "Hey, we got another case. We got another case."

    10. LHLewis Howes48:27

        Yeah.

    11. BBBrad Beeler48:27

        And it's always another molester, and, "Oh my God, I gotta do this-

    12. LHLewis Howes48:30

        Ugh

    13. BBBrad Beeler48:30

        ... because if I don't do this..." You get a almost like a, a God complex of, "If I don't do this, this-

    14. LHLewis Howes48:35

        More kids are gonna suffer or die or-

    15. BBBrad Beeler48:36

        Yeah. And, and it's, it's not right, is that you have to take an inventory of where you're at. And, and finally I was getting to the point where I had to go in and I, and I felt like I was having a heart attack. They did a catheter on me, and they're like-

    16. LHLewis Howes48:48

        Really?

    17. BBBrad Beeler48:48

        Oh, yeah. And they're like, "Your heart's fine." And it was, I was rotten mentally from the standpoint of I started seeing neighbors as what's their ulterior motive? Supervisor, you know, what, what's his problem? Like, when you deal with people that have horns all the time, you start to kind of-

    18. LHLewis Howes49:04

        Every- well then everyone's got something

    19. BBBrad Beeler49:06

        ... everybody's got something

    20. LHLewis Howes49:07

        Like, there's evil people out here, so how do I-

    21. BBBrad Beeler49:09

        And when your cost and when the operational tempo is such, you don't have a chance to kind of decompress. It'd be like this. When you think of your, your football career, like every week, what, what's your preparation like?

    22. LHLewis Howes49:19

        A lot of training.

    23. BBBrad Beeler49:20

        Training.

    24. LHLewis Howes49:20

        A lot of, a lot of hitting, a lot of training, a lot of practice-

    25. BBBrad Beeler49:22

        Game tape

    26. LHLewis Howes49:22

        ... aggression. The other thing.

    27. BBBrad Beeler49:24

        Right

    28. LHLewis Howes49:24

        Focus.

    29. BBBrad Beeler49:24

        Focus. But would you say it's 95% prep and then really only 5% perform?

    30. LHLewis Howes49:30

        Ah, I don't know. I mean, it's probably, like, 50/50 maybe. It's like you're prepping and then you're, you're practicing, and then you play at the end of the week. Yeah.
11. 52:15 – 59:01

    Catching Online Predators

    1. BBBrad Beeler52:15

       We would do a lot of cases in South Carolina. They were very proactive trying to catch predators. They're very great. And Kevin, one of the commanders down there, was great about doing these to-catch-predator operations, where we kind of try to... It's almost like a preemptive burn, how, you know, out here with forest fires, you wanna sometimes burn, you know, and catch the bad people that are out there so they don't maybe abduct a kid, things like that. So there'd be online detectives go out and perpetrate themselves as-

    2. LHLewis Howes52:42

       Messaging pe-

    3. BBBrad Beeler52:43

       Mm-hmm

    4. LHLewis Howes52:43

       ... messaging kids and say, "Hey, let's hang out as-"

    5. BBBrad Beeler52:45

       Yep

    6. LHLewis Howes52:45

       ... whatever. Yeah.

    7. BBBrad Beeler52:46

       You've seen the Chris Hansen-

    8. LHLewis Howes52:47

       Yeah, yeah

    9. BBBrad Beeler52:47

       ... stuff. And, and that's what we were doing. And in this situation, um, you know, there's a, there's a funny part of it, and there's a not-so-funny part of it, is that one of these offenders had said, "Hey, I've been caught before. You say you live near a lake. I'm not buying it. I need proof of life." And this was a, just when AI was just starting. So without getting into sources and methods, Kevin, uh, had a profile photo that was actually him that they had doctored a little bit with... I won't get into too many specifics. But he ran back to his house. He lived on the lake, and he got on his dock, and he put on his wife's bikini. And of course, they had to get rid of all the hair and, you know, the chest hair and get rid of that. But they recreated the 12-year-old version of the previous photo that the person thought he was chatting with.

    10. LHLewis Howes53:31

        Mm.

    11. BBBrad Beeler53:32

        And that was the straw that broke his proverbial back, and he jumped in his car, came down, and they, they arrested him. And so, you know, you, you, you see those moments and you're like, "Oh, that's great," you know, "Wonderful." But then the next case is a guy that shows up, and he is... This is where we gotta be careful about what we put online. This female, who was a babysitter, she, um, had a pretty good social media presence. And she was in his orbit.

    12. LHLewis Howes54:00

        Was it like a daycare or just a babysitter?

    13. BBBrad Beeler54:02

        She, uh, kind of both.

    14. LHLewis Howes54:03

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. BBBrad Beeler54:03

        But the problem is it wasn't really a regulated daycare.

    16. LHLewis Howes54:05

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BBBrad Beeler54:05

        So there weren't a lot of people around observing.

    18. LHLewis Howes54:08

        Yeah.

    19. BBBrad Beeler54:08

        And he observed her as a mark, not because he liked her, but because she had access. And he, uh, kinda scrubbed her social media and scraped it because think about what you can find out from somebody's social media, likes, pain points, whatever the case may be. And he created a mythical Prince Charming in him- of himself that she was like, "This guy's amazing."

    20. LHLewis Howes54:26

        He was a Tinder swindler.

    21. BBBrad Beeler54:27

        100%.

    22. LHLewis Howes54:28

        Kind of that guy.

    23. BBBrad Beeler54:29

        100%, with obviously different, you know, motives.

    24. LHLewis Howes54:32

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. BBBrad Beeler54:33

        And he... I always say what else? And he admitted to one infant. What else? Another infant. 30 infants.

    26. LHLewis Howes54:40

        Ugh, that he had sexually abused.

    27. BBBrad Beeler54:41

        That he had sexually assaulted.

    28. LHLewis Howes54:43

        Ugh.

    29. BBBrad Beeler54:43

        And the way he described it was just... I won't even-

    30. LHLewis Howes54:47

        Yeah
12. 59:01 – 1:03:12

    How to Detect Lies

    1. LHLewis Howes59:01

       when you're in front of a person?

    2. BBBrad Beeler59:03

       Probably not very good.

    3. LHLewis Howes59:03

       Really?

    4. BBBrad Beeler59:04

       And when I say, it's relative.

    5. LHLewis Howes59:05

       Yeah.

    6. BBBrad Beeler59:06

       But, uh, I get it wrong a lot.

    7. LHLewis Howes59:08

       Yeah.

    8. BBBrad Beeler59:08

       Like, if we were doing two truths and a lie, that's not it. But people like to do that.

    9. LHLewis Howes59:11

       Uh-huh, uh-huh.

    10. BBBrad Beeler59:11

        It's not really a realistic scenario. But what I like to do is I like to give people an open-ended forum. It's a dog without a leash. They tell me a story, and then you look for certain statements. So, then, next, after that, transitional moments. A lot of times that's where people sandwich the lie or they sandwich the omission in. So omission is the most common way people lie. So within that, then let's go to that time period, and let's now force a yes or no question. That's to me the closest thing I can get to a polygraph without a polygraph is to say-

    11. LHLewis Howes59:39

        What does that look like? Omission is the closest thing to a lie. What does that mean?

    12. BBBrad Beeler59:42

        So omission would be, you, obviously you just don't tell me, right? You just, it's less cognitive load. You don't have to remember the lie. You just don't tell me the lie.

    13. LHLewis Howes59:51

        Mm.

    14. BBBrad Beeler59:51

        It's not as much psychological stress. I know we were talking offline about how you have a hard time lying sometimes because you don't wanna lie, and you maybe feel like you're-

    15. LHLewis Howes59:58

        Yeah, yeah.

    16. BBBrad Beeler59:58

        So a polygraph's gonna measure blood volume, heart rate, breathing pattern and quality, and your galvanic skin response, basically your sweat activity. And it's gonna do that for a certain period of time after I provide you stimulus in the form of a yes/no question, and you provide me a response as a yes/no question. Without the polygraph, that's, it's still happening. I'm just not seeing it-

    17. LHLewis Howes1:00:17

        Mm

    18. BBBrad Beeler1:00:17

        ... on my monitor.

    19. LHLewis Howes1:00:18

        Yeah.

    20. BBBrad Beeler1:00:18

        But it may manifest itself in your word choice and your vocal inflection and how you choose to answer it. So the best way I like to look at this, Lewis, is if I ask my daughter, "Did you clean your room?" And she says, "Yes?"

    21. LHLewis Howes1:00:32

        [laughs] That means no.

    22. BBBrad Beeler1:00:34

        There's two types of yeses.

    23. LHLewis Howes1:00:35

        Means no.

    24. BBBrad Beeler1:00:35

        There's yes, and there's yes?

    25. LHLewis Howes1:00:36

        Yeah, means no.

    26. BBBrad Beeler1:00:37

        So vocal inflection, it's not perfect. Once again, view these as check engine lights, but a high-pitched voice is kinda like, "Are, are, do you believe me?" Right?

    27. LHLewis Howes1:00:45

        [laughs] Yeah, yeah.

    28. BBBrad Beeler1:00:46

        Delay. So if I'm-

    29. LHLewis Howes1:00:48

        Mm

    30. BBBrad Beeler1:00:48

        ... if I'm baselining you, and we're asking a bunch of questions, and it's nope, nope, nope, and then- Nope
13. 1:03:12 – 1:07:02

    Beating a Lie Detector

    1. LHLewis Howes1:03:12

       lie detector test?

    2. BBBrad Beeler1:03:12

       Yeah.

    3. LHLewis Howes1:03:14

       Do you fail it? Do you pass it? Like, how does it-

    4. BBBrad Beeler1:03:16

       Well, I must have passed. I got the job.

    5. LHLewis Howes1:03:18

       [laughs] I guess, have you taken one since then?

    6. BBBrad Beeler1:03:19

       Oh, so we had to do one to get back into the polygraph program, and I did okay on that one.

    7. LHLewis Howes1:03:24

       Really?

    8. BBBrad Beeler1:03:25

       My understanding.

    9. LHLewis Howes1:03:26

       You did, you passed enough, right?

    10. BBBrad Beeler1:03:27

        I passed, evidently.

    11. LHLewis Howes1:03:28

        If you were hypothetically trying to pass a test-

    12. BBBrad Beeler1:03:33

        Yeah

    13. LHLewis Howes1:03:33

        ... a, a lie detector test, and there wasn't something you did wrong.

    14. BBBrad Beeler1:03:39

        Mm-hmm.

    15. LHLewis Howes1:03:40

        But maybe it wasn't, like, 100% accurate, and you're like, "Eh, I just don't want them to know that."

    16. BBBrad Beeler1:03:44

        Yeah.

    17. LHLewis Howes1:03:45

        But I'm not, like, lying about, like, some wrong crime.

    18. BBBrad Beeler1:03:48

        Yeah.

    19. LHLewis Howes1:03:49

        Like, eh, I just didn't want them to know this one thing 'cause it makes me-

    20. BBBrad Beeler1:03:51

        It looks bad

    21. LHLewis Howes1:03:51

        ... makes me, makes, makes my character look a little off.

    22. BBBrad Beeler1:03:53

        Looks bad.

    23. LHLewis Howes1:03:53

        Yeah. Is there a way you would get around that? Or do you just say, "You know what? Just..." You're just, you would just try to be as honest as you can, just keep your heart rate down, and just hope for the best.

    24. BBBrad Beeler1:04:02

        So the advice I always give people is, "Look, think of this like a magnetometer." And I'm not-

    25. LHLewis Howes1:04:07

        Like a what? Like a what?

    26. BBBrad Beeler1:04:08

        Like a magnetometer, like you're going through TSA.

    27. LHLewis Howes1:04:10

        Uh-huh.

    28. BBBrad Beeler1:04:11

        I can't tell if that's a paperclip or I can't tell if that's a, a handgun.

    29. LHLewis Howes1:04:15

        Oh, yeah.

    30. BBBrad Beeler1:04:15

        It, you may be making a mountain out of a molehill.
14. 1:07:02 – 1:14:19

    Why Everyone Lies

    1. LHLewis Howes1:07:02

       And in a world where I feel like relationships matter the most, and sometimes revealing stuff about ourselves in relationships, uh, specifically intimate relationships, can make or break the relationship.

    2. BBBrad Beeler1:07:15

       [laughs]

    3. LHLewis Howes1:07:15

       You know? Even when, you know, my wife when we first started dating, you know, I, in my mind, I said, "I'm gonna tell her everything." She asked me anything, like, and I don't have the cleanest past of like ... And again, nothing I've done horrible, but it's not like things that I'm proud of-

    4. BBBrad Beeler1:07:30

       Mm-hmm

    5. LHLewis Howes1:07:31

       ... when I was, like, 12, right?

    6. BBBrad Beeler1:07:32

       Yeah.

    7. LHLewis Howes1:07:32

       It's like, okay, I used to steal, I used to whatever, like these things. And I was like, anything she asks me that I feel shame about, I'm gonna share it. And I go, she may not like it, it may not work out, but I don't wanna hold on to hiding something about myself to, but someone I might be with for a long time, right? Or forever. And thankfully, I chose the right woman because when I revealed these things, she didn't give me contempt.

    8. BBBrad Beeler1:07:57

       Right.

    9. LHLewis Howes1:07:57

       She didn't look at me like, "How... You did that when you were 12? You did that when you were eight? You know, you did all these things?" Like, she didn't look at me like I was a bad person.

    10. BBBrad Beeler1:08:04

        Mm-hmm.

    11. LHLewis Howes1:08:04

        Which made me wanna be like, [laughs] "Let me share everything," you know? It's like, here's all my flaws. And, um, and I think that goes a long way in, in relationships when you're building trust-

    12. BBBrad Beeler1:08:15

        Mm

    13. LHLewis Howes1:08:15

        ... and connection with someone, so. Maybe she read your book before I met her.

    14. BBBrad Beeler1:08:19

        [laughs]

    15. LHLewis Howes1:08:19

        You know, it's like... But I think it goes a long way when you, when you can connect with someone and not show them disgust-

    16. BBBrad Beeler1:08:27

        Mm-hmm

    17. LHLewis Howes1:08:27

        ... with something they've done in their past. Whether you wanna hang out with that person or not, but building rapport and connection. So I want people to get your book. Um, you're also on, uh, bradleybeeler.com.

    18. BBBrad Beeler1:08:39

        Yeah.

    19. LHLewis Howes1:08:39

        Is that your website, right?

    20. BBBrad Beeler1:08:40

        Yeah.

    21. LHLewis Howes1:08:41

        And then you're on Instagram, LinkedIn, uh-

    22. BBBrad Beeler1:08:43

        BradBeeler1865.

    23. LHLewis Howes1:08:44

        BradBeeler1865, yeah. Uh, but the book is Tell Me Everything. Who do you think would get the most out of this book?

    24. BBBrad Beeler1:08:51

        Well, of course I'm gonna tell you everyone.

    25. LHLewis Howes1:08:52

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    26. BBBrad Beeler1:08:52

        Parents, teachers, coaches, right? That's what the publishing company will tell you to say. Um, I originally wrote it for law enforcement-

    27. LHLewis Howes1:08:59

        Mm-hmm

    28. BBBrad Beeler1:08:59

        ... and thought, "This is what I'm gonna go with," right? I've made all these mistakes, and luckily I had a great editor that's like, "Man, these are universal lessons about how to prepare for an interaction, how to make a great first impression-

    29. LHLewis Howes1:09:09

        Yeah

    30. BBBrad Beeler1:09:09

        ... how to use all your senses in interaction-
15. 1:14:19 – 1:19:54

    Defining True Greatness

    1. LHLewis Howes1:14:19

       Brad. This is called the three truths.

    2. BBBrad Beeler1:14:20

       Mm.

    3. LHLewis Howes1:14:21

       So imagine hypothetically you get to live as long as you want.

    4. BBBrad Beeler1:14:23

       Mm-hmm.

    5. LHLewis Howes1:14:24

       But it's your last day on earth, in the future, and you get to create and accomplish everything you want from this moment until then. But for whatever reason, you gotta take all of your work with you.

    6. BBBrad Beeler1:14:33

       Oof, okay.

    7. LHLewis Howes1:14:33

       So this book, this conversation, any written material, videos that you have is gone, hypothetically, but on the last day of your life, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world.

    8. BBBrad Beeler1:14:43

       Okay.

    9. LHLewis Howes1:14:44

       Three truths. What would those three truths be for you?

    10. BBBrad Beeler1:14:47

        So Ted Lasso, I'm gonna give you a quote, "Be curious, not judgmental."

    11. LHLewis Howes1:14:50

        Yeah.

    12. BBBrad Beeler1:14:50

        He said it was Mark Twain, it wasn't Mark Twain, or Walt Whitman I think he said it was.

    13. LHLewis Howes1:14:53

        Uh-huh.

    14. BBBrad Beeler1:14:53

        But, "Be curious, not judgmental." If you are curious about other people, and you use your mouth and ears in the proportion that the good Lord gave them to you, you'll learn a lot more, you will come across as genuine. Um, from the time I was a little kid, I'm always asking why.

    15. LHLewis Howes1:15:08

        Mm-hmm.

    16. BBBrad Beeler1:15:08

        Start asking why a little bit more. Um, I would go with kind of what I said before is, once again, stay in your lane as far as [clears throat] don't be worried about what other people doing. Don't be worried so much about what other people say.

    17. LHLewis Howes1:15:19

        Mm-hmm.

    18. BBBrad Beeler1:15:19

        And I think in today's society, we're always worried about the way we look, the way we act, those types of things. I would say lastly, perception versus perspective. I know we talked about this before, but too many times we look at things from our worldview, how we see things. The best thing about the Secret Service is I got to travel to 40 countries.

    19. LHLewis Howes1:15:34

        Mm.

    20. BBBrad Beeler1:15:35

        And I got to talk to, see politicians, I got to see pedophiles and everything in between. And you realize really quickly that people are people. I remember I was in Tokyo not too long ago r- right before I left the Secret Service, and I was there on a protective visit. And it's not about being in the limo, being on Air Force One. That wasn't my protection story. My protection story was usually near a dumpster or in a, a stairwell.

    21. LHLewis Howes1:16:00

        Yeah.

    22. BBBrad Beeler1:16:00

        That wasn't in the recruiting brochure.

    23. LHLewis Howes1:16:01

        Really?

    24. BBBrad Beeler1:16:01

        Three days in a stairwell with, uh, a Japanese Secret Service agent.

    25. LHLewis Howes1:16:06

        You were three days in a stairwell?

    26. BBBrad Beeler1:16:07

        Three days in a stairwell.

    27. LHLewis Howes1:16:08

        Just guarding your spot?

    28. BBBrad Beeler1:16:09

        Yeah, keeping him away from-

    29. LHLewis Howes1:16:10

        Yeah, yeah

    30. BBBrad Beeler1:16:10

        ... the protected area.

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