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Lewis HowesYou’re Blocking Your Blessings Every Single Time You Do This | Lil Jon
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65 min read · 13,232 words- 0:00 – 2:04
Intro
- LJLil Jon
We can create our own realities. All the universe knows is what you put out is what you get back. If you got a mindset of negativity and always mad and angry, that's what your life is gonna be. If you wanna be happy, you gonna be happy, but you have to believe that is your reality.
- LHLewis Howes
He is the King of Crunk, the legendary producer behind Yeah and Turn Down for What. He's worked with Ice Cube, Eminem, the one and only Lil Jon.
- LJLil Jon
The key to happiness in life is acceptance. If you have acceptance, nothing can bother you, nothing can hurt you. I accept that I had to go through this to learn these lessons and move on. I could not say anything that made me happy besides doing stuff for other people, and that made me say, "I need a change."
- LHLewis Howes
What was the wake-up or the moment that got you to unlock this?
- LJLil Jon
I don't know how much time I have left. I need a change in my life. I need to go find m-
- LHLewis Howes
We met, I don't know, almost a decade ago-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... through Pencils of Promise.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
Through our shared love for giving back-
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... for, for helping youth education around-
- LJLil Jon
Yep
- LHLewis Howes
... the world.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh, for those that don't have the ability to go to school.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
And we were building schools together.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
And we've been a part of that community for many years.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
And we've been talking about doing this show for a long time.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
Probably a decade.
- LJLil Jon
Yep.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh, and you were saying how you're glad we're doing it now because you've been reflecting-
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... on a lot of your past, on the mistakes you've made and also the successes you had-
- LJLil Jon
Yep
- LHLewis Howes
... and the person you are now 50 year- 54 years young.
- 2:04 – 4:59
Owning your mistakes
- LHLewis Howes
now.
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
So I'm curious, what were a couple of things that you feel you had to look in the mirror, see yourself in the eyes, and be honest with the most?
- LJLil Jon
Number one, my divorce.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh.
- LJLil Jon
You know, I had to look and say I wasn't the greatest person in the marriage. I w- I didn't see that my ex was y- was r- showing me s- she was trying to t- tell me, screaming out, that she needed more love, and I didn't realize that until I was out of the relationship.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
And I, I, I wasn't able to give her that love either, I don't think, because I wasn't ... We were j- I think we were just on different paths. You know, sometimes that's how it is in relationships. You on different paths, and you think differently, and you move differently. And I think what the reflection in that also, I f- I came to the realization that I was ... God brought us together for, to, to birth our s- son, to have our son, and to raise our son, and I think that was the purpose of that relationship.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
You know? Uh, one of the major purposes was that. That's why we were together. And it wasn't supposed to last forever. Sometimes things don't last forever. And I was just able to see that I wasn't the greatest partner, and I could have been there for her more when she was yearning out for me.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Um, another relationship of mine was a guy that mentored me when I was early 20s. We produced together. His name is Paul Lewis. And we ... When I first started producing, me and him were producing together, and then slowly I kinda started to do stuff on my own, and I didn't end the relationship well. When he was there for me, showed me a lot about ... He was kinda like a second father to me, too.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Like, he, he showed me a lot of man things, like when we were working together, he's like, "Yo, put your money aside for your taxes," you know? I would go to his house. His wife would cook. I would sit down with him and his family and eat dinner. He would take me around with him all of the time and just sh- he just showed me a lot of things, and I didn't handle that well because I'm in the mindset of just go, go, go. I gotta make it. I can just do this myself 'cause I can do this quick, da, da, da, da, da. But it was wrong.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
You know? And I ... Me and him talked, and we cried about it-
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
... you know, because that was the '90s.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
You know? And I had all this success, but it didn't sit right with me for a while, and it was finally time for me to just be able to come to him and just say, "Hey, you know, I didn't handle that situation well. I appreciate you. I love you."
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
"Thank you."
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. So you-
- LJLil Jon
Uh
- LHLewis Howes
... you ... That was 25 years later after this-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... kinda ended. You, you reapproached him. You reached out to him.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
You had that conversation and-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- 4:59 – 8:02
Making peace 25 years later
- LHLewis Howes
25 years later?
- LJLil Jon
It felt good. It felt really good because it put me at ease, you know? One thing that happened to me when my mother passed away, at her funeral a young lady spoke and said her and my mom had an argument, and she was never able to make up with my mom. So that's something that's sat in my brain since that day, and even with any relationship I'm in with someone close, I don't like to end the night with it in a bad place.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I try my best to come to some kind of mutual understanding and, and, and s- smooth it out-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... because of that situation. So with Paul, it just had been lingering with me and not sitting right for a long time, and I just was like, "I need to make that right." You know, as I, as you spiritually become more elevated, you realize things that are lingering, bad energies. You wanna get rid of all of the bad energies because that blocks your blessings.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Um, and it blocks- Yeah, it blocks your blessings and blo- it blocks new things from coming in, good things from coming in if you got lingering bad energy. I don't like any kind of lingering bad energy. I don't like that around me. I'm, you know, whoever's around and they got issues with somebody, and I'm like, "Yo, go handle that. Go squash that," because that's gonna block your blessings. So we had a conversation, and I felt, I felt just, just so at ease, and he did as well. I think he needed that closure as well.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
And also for us to just rekindle our friendship because we had such a great friendship.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Um, and then just my son and myself talking through the last four years, he came to me one day and was like, "I wanna have a better relationship with you." So that was a man of him. He, he was man enough to come to me and say, "Hey, I wanna repair some things." And I was like, "100%." And we had conversations, and I got him to understand, like, hey, I was a first-time dad.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I didn't know what the hell I was doing either.
- LHLewis Howes
And how old were you when-
- LJLil Jon
I was 20s.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
That was, yeah, '98, when he was born.
- LHLewis Howes
First-time dad. You also were starting to get a lot of success and fame-
- LJLil Jon
Figuring it out
- LHLewis Howes
... and money-
- LJLil Jon
Yes
- LHLewis Howes
... and traveling and touring.
- LJLil Jon
Yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
I was like, I was just trying to ... I said, I, "I did the best that I could," you know, for what ... I thought I was doing my best, you know? And I said, "I'm sorry if some of that wasn't good enough." And we, w- we came to the understanding on both sides sometimes it's communication, sometimes it's expectations are too high. But we started to do more things together, talk more. And, you know, I also realized some things I could have done better-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- LJLil Jon
... 100% as a father, but I was doing the best that I could. I thought I was doing a great job. But we have to sometimes own up to sometimes we, we ain't doing the best
- 8:02 – 10:39
The last conversation with his son
- LJLil Jon
job, you know?
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And that's with a lot of things that, you know, I started to realize. But those are three instances where I was able-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... to just say, "Own it."
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
You know? Even, I will even say my, me and my son's last conversation. The Saturday before he passed, we had a conversation on the phone, and it got a little, not, I wouldn't say ... We didn't argue, but we kinda got a little contentious in the sense of I was just being a, a father. Like, "Hey, I sent you these supplements. Make sure you take-"
- LHLewis Howes
Make sure you take this. Yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, "Make sure you do it." And I didn't realize in that conversation until I ... So that Monday, I talked to my therapist, and she explained to me, she just made me look at it from a different perspective. And all he wanted to, to ... He w- All he, he wanted to come across was that he was trying.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
He wanted to be seen and heard for his efforts.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- LJLil Jon
And I didn't see that 'cause I'm just being the, the parent.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. Yes.
- LJLil Jon
Like, "I don't wanna hear that. You supposed to take this so you can get better or whatever."
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And we had a conversation, and the first thing I said to him was, "I'm sorry." I called him on the phone after my therapist, about after my session, and I said, "I'm sorry. I hear you, and I see you."
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
So-
- LHLewis Howes
This was a few days before he passed, passed.
- LJLil Jon
That was the, the next day, he was gone.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
So he was gone the next morning.
- LHLewis Howes
Holy cow.
- LJLil Jon
So that was the last conversation we had, and he was on a cloud from that conversation. Because his best friend told me later, like, 'cause he had came in town that night to stay with my son, and he said that my son, the first thing he said to him when he walked in the door was, "Man, guess what happened? You'll never believe this. My dad apologized to me." So owning up to my-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... faults and issues, that, that's right there at a pinnacle, a peak of how I've changed so much as a person.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
And I've been able ... I, I don't have a problem with saying that I'm wrong. I have no problem with that.
- LHLewis Howes
Did you ever have a problem with that in the past?
- 10:39 – 13:15
The wake-up call at 50
- LJLil Jon
growth.
- LHLewis Howes
Was there a wake-up call for you, like, that was, that said, "I need to go on a spiritual journey. I need to start blocking bad energy so I can create blessings for myself"? Like, what was the wake-up or the moment that got you to unlock this?
- LJLil Jon
Turning 50.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh. So four years ago. Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Turning 50, one day I asked myself, "What makes you happy?" I could not say anything that made me happy besides doing stuff for other people.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
I couldn't say anything that was for me, that made me happy. And that made me say, "I need a change."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I don't know how much time I have left. I need a change in my life. I need to go find my happiness. And that was the spark that year of things starting to change, 'cause then I, maybe a month later, went to my wife at the time and said, "I want a divorce."
- LHLewis Howes
You said that to her?
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, because I, I realized we were on different planets. We were in totally different sides of the universe. I'm an optimist. She's a pet- pessimist.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
That's the number one thing that hit me like a ton of bricks. This never gonna work, 'cause we never gonna see eye to eye because I'm an extreme optimist-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah
- LJLil Jon
... and she's an extreme pessimist. We'd never ... No amount of therapy in this world is gonna make it where we can see, be on the same page, because that's the way she is-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- LJLil Jon
... and this is the way I am. And so that started to happen, and then- In going through the divorce process, I started to be angry. 'Cause I-
- LHLewis Howes
At her, at yourself-
- LJLil Jon
Just-
- LHLewis Howes
... at life?
- LJLil Jon
I think the, just everything because I was just like, I was just thinking about myself though. I realized that. I wanted it to move faster. I'm like, "Why can't we just..."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I'm a businessman, so you know-
- LHLewis Howes
Be done.
- LJLil Jon
Like, yeah, let's... Yeah, exactly.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. Why we gotta talk about that for six months-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... and deal with this? Like-
- LJLil Jon
Why we got... Yes, but I had to understand she's dealing with a lot of emotional-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- 13:15 – 16:01
The affirmations that changed him
- LJLil Jon
angry and mad. And so what I started to do was, like, I was like, "Nothing is gonna, good is gonna come out of me being like this and thinking like this, and I don't like the way this, this feels." So I started to kinda, every day I would say affirmations.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Every day throughout the day. So I had a copper pyramid on my, my deck, on my patio, and I would get me some ginger tea and go sit in my copper pyramid every day and just say affirmations. The m- the, the main affirmations I would say is, "I am happy. I am healthy. I am at peace." And I would say that every day in that pyramid and just throughout the day. I would just take time and meditate and just say it. Because I believe if you change your mindset, then you change your world around you.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
So if the world around me, I'm getting mad and I'm like always just like, "Ah", then that's what's gonna keep coming. It's gonna be turmoil-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- LJLil Jon
... and chaos and negativity. But if I change it to positivity, then I don't have to see it in that way, and I can grow. I can continue to grow and, and fly. So-
- LHLewis Howes
So that affirmation was the first thing that... So before you said, "I wanna go figure out what makes me happy", 'cause you didn't know what made you happy.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
Except for giving to others.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
But then you started doing... You were angry from the divorce.
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
You said, "I'm gonna go do affirmations daily." You said, "I am happy, I am healthy and at peace."
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
How many days, weeks or months did it take for you to embody that affirmation and not just say it?
- LJLil Jon
Right away.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
I'm that type. If I, I'm the type if I wanna do something, I'm gonna do it. Like, I remember the first time I started trying to get healthy, and my trainer was like, "You can't eat bread. You can't have rice. You can't have sweets." I quit cold turkey immediately and was able to not... I was fine. Because I'm, I'm, like, really a strong mental, you know, I have a strong mental ability to just focus.
- LHLewis Howes
Once you decide, you do it.
- LJLil Jon
I do.
- LHLewis Howes
You don't go back-
- LJLil Jon
Nah
- LHLewis Howes
... if you've decided. You're not like, "It's too hard. I need to go have some c- candy or something."
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. We, I go shopping, I go get what I want and leave.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- LJLil Jon
I'm not indecisive. You know how women are like-
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, yeah
- LJLil Jon
... "Um, should I go get, ah, should I go back and get that top?"
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- 16:01 – 17:32
Manifesting & finding meditation
- LJLil Jon
and then it's gonna block it.
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting.
- LJLil Jon
So you have to totally believe whatever you're trying to manifest, and I believed I was gonna find happiness, I was gonna be healthy, and I was gonna be at peace. And later on, that started to be what happened. But in starting to, to say those affirmations, around that same time a good friend of mine, Doug Davis, introduced me to a guy named Kabir Sehgal, who was into meditation space. So I had been kinda wanting to do some, like I had l- listened to, like, a lot of, uh, binaural beats. I was listening to binaural beats to sleep-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... and to relax. And ocean-
- LHLewis Howes
What's that frequency, three four seven frequency or something like that or-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, all of that.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And then I was listening to ocean waves-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... and all that. So I was kinda wanting to do some stuff like that to also, like, put that stuff out. And so then when me and Kabir met-
- LHLewis Howes
For you to make it.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
For you to make that stuff.
- LJLil Jon
To make it.
- LHLewis Howes
Ah, interesting.
- LJLil Jon
When me and Kabir met, we started to talk about meditations, and I told him I was doing these, you know, saying these affirmations. I would meditate every day. And then we decided to record the meditation album that I ended up releasing. Now, the first one we put out was Total Meditation, but that's how I got into the meditation space, because I didn't like my mindset.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
And I started to embark on meditation, and then I met someone in the space, and we were able to now-
- LHLewis Howes
Collaborate
- LJLil Jon
... collaborate and then share that with the world and inspire people to meditate
- 17:32 – 20:31
Success without happiness
- LJLil Jon
that never meditated.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. Now, but you were manifesting in a lot of ways for the last 25 years what seems like to many on the outside looking in everything you wanted. You were mani- you were producing records and albums and number one hit songs and tours, and you had all the success, money and fame.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
So you were manifesting that, but you weren't able to manifest happiness. Is that right?
- LJLil Jon
I guess so. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
'Cause that didn't make you happy?
- LJLil Jon
That's, that makes you happy, but that's, it's not complete.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
That's only one side of the coin. You know, that's the public and the money, but at home it's turbulent It's not, it's not a happy home. Um, I felt, you know, I was walking on eggshells a lot.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
You know? So and then we don't think the same, so there's always gonna be some head butting. So it wasn't, that wasn't where I was supposed to stay for the rest of my life. And I thought about it. I don't wanna be in a turbulent relationship for the rest of my life. I don't. I feel like it's more to life for me.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- LJLil Jon
I felt. And that was, you know, I didn't plan on that day saying, "Hey, I want a divorce." It just came out. It-
- LHLewis Howes
You weren't thinking about this or internalizing it or saying, "I'm gonna say this one day." It just came out.
- LJLil Jon
Nope, I wasn't planning. You know how people planning on how-
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh
- LJLil Jon
... next week I'm gonna do this.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
We were having, we were... I remember we were, like, in my sun- our sunroom, and we were having a conversation, and it just came out. And I'm, I'm a spiritual person in a sense of also, like, I don't move unless my spirit tells me to move a certain way.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I don't, like, go do something if it doesn't feel right.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- LJLil Jon
So I go with the... I've learned, I learned to listen to my spirit and let that guide me. So at that moment, my spirit was telling me, "Let it out. Say your truth."
- LHLewis Howes
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- 20:31 – 22:52
Manifesting what you've never had
- LHLewis Howes
There's something you said just before about manifesting. You said something like, if you don't fully believe it, that it's possible or it's gonna happen, then it's, it's gonna be a cancer if you have some doubt. I think you said something like that.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. You can't have doubt when you're manifesting.
- LHLewis Howes
But how do you believe you can manifest something if you've never had it before?
- LJLil Jon
You just have to know and trust. I'm gonna give you an example. Jermaine Dupri, I was working in his label in the '90s, and I was producing a little bit. He's working with Usher. He produces Usher's big song at the time, You Make Me Wanna. He gives me an opportunity to do a remix.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
It's no way in my mind I'm thinking I'm ever going to have a chance to produce Usher, yet alone give him his biggest song of his entire life. So think about that. It's no way even if you were back then at that time, you're never gonna be like, "Yeah, Lil, yeah, nah." So it's something that is impossible.
- LHLewis Howes
You didn't believe that. You didn't believe that then.
- LJLil Jon
No. But I didn't even think it was on my radar.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- LJLil Jon
That's an impossibility for me to ever give Usher the biggest song of his life, but it happened. So if it's some things that you believe, it's some things that you're trying to manifest and you think it can't happen, then you, that's doubt.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- LJLil Jon
But it can. And I'm a, I'm right here showing you that things, impossibilities can happen.
- LHLewis Howes
Why do you think that did happen even though you thought that was not even on your radar?
- LJLil Jon
That's the universe. That's, that was my plan. That's what God had ordained for me to happen. Like, I was born southwest Atlanta. I'm a shy kid, you know. And never I would, I thought I would grow up to be one of the, a rapper that's known around the world by the way he looks. You know, like-
- LHLewis Howes
Or by shouting also.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. [laughs]
- LJLil Jon
Like, yeah, no. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
You were shy, and now you're shouting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Right. Exactly. Even more. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
So, like, it's things that are im- so many impossibilities that happened in my life, and that's all in the book. Like, all of these things are impossibilities,
- 22:52 – 24:53
Proving the doubters wrong
- LJLil Jon
but they can happen.
- LHLewis Howes
That's fascinating. Did you feel like early on in your career then, when these things weren't even on your radar, were you thinking about manifesting at that point?
- LJLil Jon
No.
- LHLewis Howes
Or were you just thinking about how do I make money and how do I get the next opportunity? You were DJing-
- LJLil Jon
It was-
- LHLewis Howes
... in the nightclubs in, in Atlanta, I think in high school.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Were you just thinking about making more money essentially, or what?
- LJLil Jon
It was opportunities.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Every time a opportunity, I, I look at, I've always looked at things like this. If an opportunity is presented to me, I'm gonna seize it.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Like, I'm a, I'm a hard worker, and I'm gonna, like, when somebody else is slacking, I'm gonna do whatever it takes. And then also I've always been, obstacles have been put in my way. Since I was a little kid, I, you know, I had a eye injury when I was a kid, and I think that made me have to work hard because I had this eye injury. And I'm just a little, little kid, and I gotta do all these eye exercises, and I have to go to the eye doctor all the time. And I have all these surgeries.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
And I'm picked on. So I had to work hard, harder than the other kids because I'm different. And then I'm picked on 'cause I'm, I got a eye patch on, and then, or my eye is drifting. And so I used people's doubting me and people whatever as fuel to Achieve and to show them that, you know, you're wrong about me
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting
- LJLil Jon
So I've always used that. Like, early in my career, the first song I produced, I remember taking it to a radio station, uh, the song that I did with, uh, Lil Jon and East Side Boyz called Who You Wit? And I remember taking it to the hot DJ at the time, who I knew personally. His name was Greg Street, and he's still the homie now. And I remember he laughed at me, but in my mind, "I'm gonna prove you wrong."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
So the record got hot in the streets, in the clubs, and so on and so forth, and it became a hit. But whenever an obstacle was put in my way, I didn't give up. I always figured out how to go over it-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- 24:53 – 26:06
Where his work ethic comes from
- LJLil Jon
... under it, around it, or through it.
- LHLewis Howes
How did you come up with that mindset? Who gave you that mindset?
- LJLil Jon
I don't... I think it's f- I think it's my mom. I really think it's my mom. My mom is one of 18.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
She had, uh, 15 brothers, and there was two girl- three girls total. So she, my aunt, I say this, talk about this in the book, my aunt told me my mom was the first one to give her a doll. She had never had a doll before my mother gave her a doll. 'Cause my mother, um, she became a nurse, and she moved... They were from a small town called LaGrange, Georgia. And so she was the one that got out of the small town, came to the big city, and, and hustled and made it, and did her thing, you know, being in the medical profession, nursing. Um, and my mother was just, she was always a hard worker, and in my household, she was the leader of the household, so she kept things together. So I think I learned it from her without even... You know, you pick up things from your parents-
- LHLewis Howes
Sure
- LJLil Jon
... without even realizing you do.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
But I think that work ethic come from my mom.
- LHLewis Howes
Was there ever a time you doubted yourself, either before you started to take off in the global stage, during it, or now
- 26:06 – 29:03
Burnout & falling back in love with music
- LHLewis Howes
at this season of your life?
- LJLil Jon
I think when you... I, I've had a moment in the 2000s, the late 2000s, I was burnt out. 'Cause-
- LHLewis Howes
You were having hit after hit after hit.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
Traveling and-
- LJLil Jon
And, and at one point, the creativity was gone.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
I couldn't... Everything I was making, I didn't like. It wasn't, the magic was gone.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
I think I had given so much of myself out without a break that I, I, I had given it all out. And so I kinda just stopped trying to make... Well, I kept trying to make music, but it was, I slowed down on it. And one thing that happened was Reggie Bush invited me to the first game at the Superdome after Katrina. So-
- LHLewis Howes
'Cause he was playing with the Saints for many years.
- LJLil Jon
Yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
He was with the Saints.
- LHLewis Howes
USC guy to the Saints.
- LJLil Jon
Yes. USC. [laughs] So that night he had a party, and there was a DJ rocking the party, and it just really made me fall in love with music again. I was like, "Wow, he is killing it." Like, it's inspiring. Like, I kinda, "Maybe I should start DJing again."
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting.
- LJLil Jon
And then, so the next day I'm in the airport, and then this white kid comes up to me, and he's like, "Yo, what's up?" I'm like, "What's up?" And he's like, "It's me, the DJ from last night."
- LHLewis Howes
No way.
- LJLil Jon
And shout out to my m- my man DJ Spider. His name was DJ Spider. And so we linked up. I think that was God putting him in my path again to make sure that I called him and connected. 'Cause I got his number to connect-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... but then I see him in the airport, and that's-
- LHLewis Howes
That was a synchronicity that was too strong for you
- LJLil Jon
Yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
I, I, I believe in all of that too. Like, stuff does not just happen just randomly. It's a reason. You know, the universe is putting people in your alignment and so on and so forth.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
So-
- LHLewis Howes
You gotta, you gotta be willing to see the signs.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. You gotta open your eyes.
- 29:03 – 30:59
When creativity flows
- LJLil Jon
You know, have fun in music again.
- LHLewis Howes
When do you feel like you've been the most magical in your creativity and artistry? At what season of life?
- LJLil Jon
The 2000s.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
'Cause everything was just flowing. Everything-
- LHLewis Howes
What does that, what does that feel like when something is, is something coming through you? Is it, is it you just see something and then you start connecting dots, and then it's just, "I know this is gonna be a hit"? Like, how does that even come to you?
- LJLil Jon
Well, I always say that it's God.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
'Cause we go in the studio, we don't know what we wanna do sometimes. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, you get a million-dollar idea [laughs] in your head. You know, or a million-dollar lyric or a million-dollar whatever, catch line or whatever. I think it's God giving it to us. Um, so I learned to, like we were just talking about, listen. I learned to open my eyes and listen and just let the vibes flow.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Let everything flow, and that's how you can figure, you feel it. And yeah, when, when the vibe is flowing the right way, and sometimes when you lay all of the tracks down and you listen. Like, for ex- example, Turn Down for What. I remember DJ Snake sent me the beat. It had a sample in it of Redman, and I was like, "Nah, this beat is too dope. I'm not..." He wanted me to just say over the Redman line. I was like, "Nah, I'm not gonna do that. Send me the instrumental." And so I go in the booth, put on the headphones, and the first thing that comes in my head is, "Turn Down for What." And soon as I said, I'm like, "Oh, sh- that is crazy. That's out of here." I knew as soon as I said the word, the phrase, that that was it.
- LHLewis Howes
That's it. That's the song.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. I knew that that was... No, I knew, not just the song, I said, "This is a smash." I knew immediately, 'cause I did it on the drop. You know what I mean?
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
So I knew it was, I knew it was special. So sometimes we feel it, we know,
- 30:59 – 32:29
Why great songs flop
- LJLil Jon
and sometimes we don't know.
- LHLewis Howes
Was there ever a time where you thought in your mind, "This is a hit," and then it was actually l- like, just such a failure?
- LJLil Jon
A million times. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. Uh, I'll, I'm sure a lot of producers will tell you the same thing.
- LHLewis Howes
Like, "This is the number one song."
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
"This is the hit of the summer."
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
"This is the one." And then waah.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Click.
- LJLil Jon
'Cause timing, timing is everything.
- LHLewis Howes
Interesting.
- LJLil Jon
When it's released, how it's released, uh, what the sentiment of the world is. It could be a numerous amount of things, but sometimes it's just the timing ain't, the dots don't connect. They, it doesn't line up. And, um, yeah, records don't always work. Um, to, to elaborate more on that, I did an album called Crunk Rock. After I left TVT Records, I went to Universal and I recorded this album. I, I put together a great album. The album flopped, dud. Not one song did anything. And a lot of people give up.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
I could've given up, 'cause I'm, this is the 2010s. This is like 2012, 2013.
- LHLewis Howes
You're like, "Am I washed up? Am I..."
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
"They don't like my stuff anymore."
- LJLil Jon
I need to just stick to DJing.
- LHLewis Howes
"They're not into the sauce."
- LJLil Jon
You know, I need to just DJ for-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... I could've said that, but I kept producing music. I kept working on music. The next thing I did was Turn Down for What.
- LHLewis Howes
Shut up.
- LJLil Jon
The biggest song-
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
... besides Yeah, that's the top two records of my life.
- LHLewis Howes
What, what year was Turn Down for What?
- 32:29 – 36:17
Riding the ups & downs of fame
- LHLewis Howes
Shut up.
- LJLil Jon
Is Turn Down for What.
- LHLewis Howes
How do you or other artists that you see navigate this 10, 20, 30-year career that has such a journey for so many of you? You know, you're starting out, you're not... You're, you're first the up-and-coming guy from Atlanta doing the DJ scene.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
But you're not big yet, and you're trying to get an opportunity, right?
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And you get a few opportunities, you get a hit, and now you're crushing for a decade.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
But then maybe you're not crushing it as much as the next guy who's-
- LJLil Jon
Right
- LHLewis Howes
... up and coming. But maybe you co-signed them early on, and now maybe they're a little bigger than you, or they're the moment-
- LJLil Jon
Right
- LHLewis Howes
... this year or two, or they're having a big run, and you're not getting that much attention anymore, but then you come back on top and they fall down.
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
How do you navigate the ups and downs of the industry of not being the guy, being the guy? Someone else that you know that maybe you liked or didn't like, now they're the guy for a while.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
And you're not. Like, how do you navigate all that?
- LJLil Jon
I think it's hard for m- anybody in any kind of entertainment because you are, when you be- you work hard and you get to that pinnacle of success, and then you start to come down, some people can't take it, not being at the top, and it destroys them and they never recover. But someone like myself, like, I just always look in the positive.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
I look at the positive from anything, and I know I have talent. I know I have the talent. God gave me talent and I'm supposed to keep using it. Like, and a prime example of what you're talking about is Pitbull is a monster star. He didn't have to take me out on tour with him, but he reached back and pulled me out, you know, pulled me back out with him. And what's crazy is when we booked the tour, the song wasn't hot yet. The song blew up getting ready for the tour, so by the time we get out on tour-
- LHLewis Howes
Good timing
- LJLil Jon
... the song is boom. So 25 years of friendship.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
And we got a hit song together. How, that doesn't happen often, you know?
- LHLewis Howes
That's crazy.
- LJLil Jon
That's, that's a rarity for something like that to happen.
- LHLewis Howes
Now, you're saying he didn't have to do that. Do you also feel like, you know, you've been friends for a long time, you also co-signed him early on when you were having more success, that you feel like maybe he should bring you on, something like that, or people should bring you back, whether it's you or anyone else, because you were there for them for so long also?
- LJLil Jon
It's just everybody just doesn't do that.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Everybody doesn't ... Every, it's just like when I said I apologized to my, my friend Paul Lewis. You know, I had to own that he taught me a lot.
- 36:17 – 39:18
What people get wrong about manifestation
- LJLil Jon
every blessing that comes my way, I give gratitude for.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm. What do you think most people get wrong about manifestation?
- LJLil Jon
I think they get wrong that they can just say it and it can happen, you know. And I think they also get wrong they, they, they might say, "I wanna be president." Like, it has to be [laughs] you know, in a certain... If you're... Everybody can't be president, you know. You can manifest a lot of things, but you have to be realistic about your manifest- manifesting goals. You can't be like, "I wanna go to Saturn," [laughs] you know?
- LHLewis Howes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
- LJLil Jon
And they like, "Bro, come on." Like, let's work on some things that are, you can see, you know, they're more tangible. Um, but the, I think they think they can just say it and that it'll happen, but you can't say it like we were talking about earlier and have any doubt. You can't have doubt. You can't, you can't say it and be like, "That ain't, this ain't gonna work."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
"This is not gonna work. Um, da, da, da, da, da." It's not gonna happen 'cause you don't really believe it.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
You, we can create our own realities. If you wanna be happy, you gonna be happy. If you got a mindset of negativity and always mad and angry, that's what your life is gonna be. But you can create your own reality, but you have to believe that is your reality.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
And I think most people get that wrong, so wrong. They always saying what they want. They always saying, "Why is this happening to me?" Instead of saying, "Here's what is going to happen to me in a positive way."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
You know, like, stop talking about the negative t- negative things. The negative is gonna keep coming to you if you keep speaking negativity.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- LJLil Jon
That's all the universe knows is what you put out. What you put out is what you get back. So if you putting out negativity, you're gonna get back negativity. If you put out positivity and love and uplifting of others, you're gonna get blessings.
- LHLewis Howes
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- 39:18 – 42:32
Inside "Turn Down for What"
- LHLewis Howes
You mentioned when you were doing Turn Down for What, when you went in this, in the studio and started recording in the booth, like, right away you said that, before the beat dropped, right? Was there an intention you had before that studio day? Like, the day before, the morning of, did you have an energy or a thought process that said, like, "I'm gonna go make something special today," or-
- LJLil Jon
Hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... "God, give me the gifts to come up with something creative today," or was it just, "I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I'm just gonna show up and be myself"? Did you have an intention before that moment where you said, "Turn Down for What," and you go boom, electric in my body, this is it, it's gonna be huge?
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, I didn't have an... I just knew today I'm off the road. I can... DJ Snake sent me this song three months ago. I'ma go ahead and work on it. 'Cause that's what I would do.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
When I get some time, downtime, I jump out of modes. I'm in DJ mode, I'm in dad mode, I'm in, you know, executive mode. Today I'ma be in artist mode. So I just went in, just work mode, just do what I do, do my best on every song. And yeah, as soon as I said it, I just knew it. I knew it and-
- LHLewis Howes
You just felt it in your soul.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, I knew it was a smash. Just like when we did Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
You knew it then, too.
- LJLil Jon
We knew, we knew that was a smash.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
We knew that was... 'Cause it was so different.
- LHLewis Howes
Were you... Did you know it, like, in the middle of recording or producing, or was it... When did you feel it?
- LJLil Jon
I think when we listened back. We-
- LHLewis Howes
After the first time, or a few?
- LJLil Jon
You, like, after we lay everything down.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh.
- LJLil Jon
I can't remember exactly, but we knew it was a hit. And then everything had to change because the beat that we recorded Yeah on was actually the beat that's Freak A Leak. So we had to go in-
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
... and, you know, re-record. Not re-record, but I had to go in and do new music. So I didn't think this Petey Pablo song was gonna be that big, so I was like, "Let's just take all the music off and keep the drums." And then we played new music on top. So me and my boy, LRock, who plays a lot of keys on a lot of records that I, I, I produce, he went in with me and he, he was playing around. He hit dun-dun, dun-dun. "That's it. That's it." Dun-dun, dun-dun. And so I knew immediately, so at that point, yes, I knew right when he laid those lines.
- LHLewis Howes
Four notes, right?
- LJLil Jon
Dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun. I was like-
- LHLewis Howes
That was it
- LJLil Jon
... "That is it."
- LHLewis Howes
You heard it.
- LJLil Jon
I knew immediately this is, that's, I, that's the-
- LHLewis Howes
Four notes.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, like, dun. I just knew 'cause he, he playing the beat.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh.
- LJLil Jon
He, he does it to the beat. I'm like, "That's it."
- 42:32 – 43:50
Becoming a major producer
- LJLil Jon
probably would've done well-
- LHLewis Howes
But not boom
- LJLil Jon
... but it wouldn't be this.
- LHLewis Howes
How did your life change after Yeah!
- LJLil Jon
I mean-
- LHLewis Howes
'Cause you weren't, you were known locally, right? Atlanta vibe.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
But you weren't like a national sensation yet. Or you kinda were, but-
- LJLil Jon
Nah
- LHLewis Howes
... it wasn't like ...
- LJLil Jon
I became a, a major producer after that. Everybody, I mean, it's the biggest song of the year, you know? So I got calls from everybody, any and everybody, to, to work on music. And right after that, I had Goodies with Ciara. So we did that, like, I don't know how many months later, but I think the same year, 2004, I probably produced that. So like, it was [whooshs] and I've been blessed. Like, I've been ... You know, I did records with Nas. I did records with Eminem. I got a D12 song. I think I did a remix for D12. I did, uh, Fat Joe. I done, you know, Ice Cube, Too Short, E-40.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Been able to give Too Short and E-40 big records of their careers. Um, like I produced so many people, man, it's just been, you know-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... such a blessing. Y- yeah, M- Mobb Deep. I did Mobb Deep, and I did Nas. Like, so even on the hip hop side, I've pr- been able to
- 43:50 – 45:39
Working with Ice Cube, Too Short & E-40
- LJLil Jon
produce some-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... some greats.
- LHLewis Howes
Um, of all the artists you've met, whether you've worked with or just you've met and you've been able to be around, who, and I'm sure there's, you know, lots of inspiring artists, but who are three that you really felt like inspired you the most?
- LJLil Jon
I was a big NWA fan growing up, so to finally be able to work with Ice Cube was awesome.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And it, and not just work with him, 'cause I remember we were in the studio and he laid down a verse on something and I was like, "That ain't ... I want something crazier than that. That ain't it." And I was like, "How do I tell Ice Cube-
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- LJLil Jon
... that he didn't kill it?"
- LHLewis Howes
Ooh.
- LJLil Jon
And so-
- LHLewis Howes
What'd you say to him?
- LJLil Jon
I went and talked to him. I was like, "I wanted something more like this," and da, da, da. He was like, "Bet. No problem." He let me produce him. And so he went and laid a crazier verse, and then I still kept the other verse and used it somewhere else. So Ice Cube. And you know, just being, growing up on someone and never would've imagined I would be able-
- LHLewis Howes
That's cool
- LJLil Jon
... to work with him.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
Um, so Ice Cube, and then-
- LHLewis Howes
A marching band in high school to Ice Cube.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And then Too Short. I also was a big Too Short fan in high school. And to ... I used to listen to his Life is Too Short album every single day, and to one day produce him and give him the biggest song of his career is crazy. Um, me and E-40 had some really, really good times in the studio and, you know, producing his album, My Ghetto Report Card, and had some big records on that album, too. Just a good ... You know, we had created a good friendship. Me, Short, E-40, we're like all really good, really good friends. So those are some guys I really, really love, you know?
- LHLewis Howes
That's cool.
- LJLil Jon
And have some ... And
- 45:39 – 48:01
Lil Jon vs. Jonathan
- LJLil Jon
I, I love that we've been able to create history together-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... like we have.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Your book is really inspiring. It's c- it's I Only Shout So You Can Hear Me.
- LJLil Jon
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Um, you were talking about earlier about how you were a shy kid from Atlanta.
- LJLil Jon
Right.
- LHLewis Howes
You know, you had this kind of eye disability that you had to constantly work on and improve throughout-
- LJLil Jon
Right
- LHLewis Howes
... your childhood, that affected you, that made you feel a little shy. But then you became the guy that was like the club guy, the shouting guy, you know? And your, your name Jonathan is not your name now, right? It's like Lil Jon.
- LJLil Jon
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
When did that come about? And how did the identity shift when you took on Lil Jon over Jonathan?
- LJLil Jon
Well, Lil Jon came in high school, because I was like the shortest John.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. [laughs]
- LJLil Jon
[laughs] I was the smallest John. I'm only 5'7" and it was, you know, guys six foot-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- LJLil Jon
... and so on and so forth. So, uh, that was from high school. I've been Lil Jon since high school. And so as I started to get, you know, popular and started to DJ, I just went with the same name, and I've just been Lil Jon forever. And people ask me sometimes, "When you gonna drop the Lil?" I'm like, "Well, it's kind of part of my identity."
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
You know what I mean? So-
- LHLewis Howes
Is there a different identity to Lil Jon and Jonathan?
- LJLil Jon
Oh, 100%. Lil Jon is the rowdy, crazy party guy, and Jonathan is like the guy you have here right now.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- LJLil Jon
Like the chill guy.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, meditation.
- LJLil Jon
Manifestation.
- LHLewis Howes
Health and wellness.
- LJLil Jon
Mature.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. [laughs]
- 48:01 – 49:20
Eliminating negative thoughts
- LJLil Jon
too. I radiate positivity. So and that's one thing I kinda bla- brushed over real quick, but at that same time with all of this stuff going on with the divorce, I told myself I have to eliminate negative thoughts out of my psyche. So that's one thing I instituted into my life. I don't wish any ill upon anyone. I always say, "God is gonna handle it."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Something happened, somebody does me wrong, throw my hands up, "Allah gonna deal with them." Um, and I just eliminate negative thoughts, because e- negative thoughts also block your blessings.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- LJLil Jon
So that's ... Whatever you think, say- You, that's what you're putting in the universe, so I don't wanna think anything negative. I wanna only think n- positive thoughts
- LHLewis Howes
If some- if you feel like someone might be trying to take advantage of you, screw you over, hurt you in some way, um, how do you shift your perspective when you feel like someone's done wrong by you, lied to you, abandoned you?
- LJLil Jon
You just check 'em or put your guard up-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- LJLil Jon
... and distance yourself-
- LHLewis Howes
Okay
- LJLil Jon
... from that, that negativity.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
You gotta ... I try to eliminate any negativity in my life. You know, like I said, I had, you know, any lingering bad energy, I wanna get rid of that. I wanna
- 49:20 – 51:17
Losing his son: don't put things off
- LJLil Jon
get that off the plate.
- LHLewis Howes
Well-
- LJLil Jon
I don't wanna block any blessings.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. You finished your book, but then you were talking about how earlier this year your son passed.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Sorry for that loss as well. And then you re- y- you took the back, the book back on and wrote about this.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Can you share, I guess, the biggest lesson you've had since the passing of your son?
- LJLil Jon
Um, one thing I tell people a lot is that don't put things off.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
You know, uh, one of the things me and my son did together that he, one of the greatest thing, greatest trips he ever took in his life, he said, the funnest time he's ever had, we took a trip to Japan.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Right? 'Cause when, when he came to me and said, "Let's start, you know, having a better relationship," I said, "Okay, let's, I'm gonna take you somewhere for your birthday."
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
And so I could have easily said, "It's too expensive. Let's do something else." I could've been like, "Ah, I got this going on, I got that going on." But I said, "No, I'm, we're gonna do it," and he had the best time he's ever had in his entire life going anywhere. I have never seen him this happy.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
We did so much stuff together as father and son, and then even d- he did some stuff on his own too. He was really into anime, so he did, saw anime stuff, and we went on food tours, and we, we went to see a guy forge samurai swords. There's not many of those guys left.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh.
- LJLil Jon
We got to swing samurai swords. We did so much. He got to learn how to drift a car.
- LHLewis Howes
That's pretty, that's-
- LJLil Jon
He went to where they s- learned-
- LHLewis Howes
Tokyo Drift?
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- LJLil Jon
He, we went to where they started, where the drifting started at, and he drove down that mountain where it all started. So people think they have time, and you never know how much time you have with somebody, so don't ever push people off and say, "I can do it later. I'll give them time later." Do it while, because you ... Do it now because you don't
- 51:17 – 53:53
Advice for new fathers
- LJLil Jon
know how much time you really got left.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. Uh, I'm a new dad. I've got twin girls almost one year. If you could go back 27, 30 years ago before you became a father-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... what advice would you give yourself before your son came here, and essentially what advice would you give me going into fatherhood right now?
- LJLil Jon
Well, I, I'm a believer in everything that we go through shapes us to who we are now, and I love who I am right now. I love ... It was a journey, and it was a lot of ups and downs and bumps and all kind of stuff, but I feel like I'm, I'm living in my purpose, God's purpose for me. But I would tell myself just, you know, enjoy it and, you know, do ... I, I don't know. I, I would just tell myself to enjoy fatherhood.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
Just enjoy it. And maybe, you know, like I just said, don't push things off.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
You know? I kinda n- I, I, I did make a point when my son was born, I said, "I'm not gonna miss his birthday. I'm not gonna miss Christmas. I'm not gonna miss Thanksgiving." I, I set boundaries. So I was always, it was always family time, and those, nothing could compete. And something came about on his birthday. Yeah was the, the biggest song in the country. They called for Saturday Night Live. I turned down Saturday Night Live-
- LHLewis Howes
No way
- LJLil Jon
... because it was my son's birthday.
- LHLewis Howes
Come on.
- LJLil Jon
I put my son over that.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow, that's pretty big.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. Because I made a promise to myself and to my son-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- LJLil Jon
... that I was gonna be there for him for every birthday.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
So-
- LHLewis Howes
Did you ever do Saturday Night Live?
- LJLil Jon
I never did. But who knows?
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
It's, it's okay.
- LHLewis Howes
They gotta bring you back.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, maybe one day.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, so, but-
- LHLewis Howes
So you turned it down for your son's birthday. That's kinda cool.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah. So yeah, we gotta, we gotta always ... We make sacrifices for our family, you know what I mean? So that was a sacrifice.
- LHLewis Howes
But you did do the Super Bowl.
- 53:53 – 56:03
How his daughter helped him heal
- LJLil Jon
anybody was in the stadium. Then he gets to see it in the stadium.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow, that's pretty cool.
- LJLil Jon
So yeah, it was great.
- LHLewis Howes
And, and you got a, a two-year-old now, right? Or-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, I have a daughter.
- LHLewis Howes
Two-year-old daughter.
- LJLil Jon
So I'm first-time dad of a girl-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm
- LJLil Jon
... which is way different, but ah, man, I thought God was ... I, here's what I, here's what something I looked at in my life. I said my life was slowing down, and God was slowing me down to get me ready for my daughter, her birth. But then I realized He was also giving me my daughter, giving me my daughter to help me get through the loss of my son.
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, my gosh.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Holy cow.
- LJLil Jon
'Cause she's been something that has just given me s- just made me smile-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- LJLil Jon
... whenever she, you know, when I'm down and she comes around, I smile.
- LHLewis Howes
Why?
- LJLil Jon
... feel her love. Like, she's helped me get through this tough, tough times.
- LHLewis Howes
Where do you think you'd be if you didn't have your daughter during this time?
- LJLil Jon
I, I think if it was even, like, 10 years ago, I don't know, I, what I- how I would've been able to take this, this loss. If it was 10 years ago when I was really in a crazy partying state and just not in this mental place I am now, this elevated spiritual and mental state, um, I don't know how I would've been able to get through this. Um, it would've been hard. I, I don't know. I, I probably ... I don't know how I would've been able to do it without her, honestly.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
'Cause she was there giving me a lot of comfort. Of course, friends, family, my partner, but it's different from that, the child that you can hold and, you know, just look into their eyes, or when they crawl up underneath you-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- LJLil Jon
... and it just makes your heart melt.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
It makes you warm, and it just also gives you motivation to keep living, to keep going, you know. I'm also healthy for her.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
Because I gotta be here for graduations and walk her down the aisle or whatever, and protection of her. I gotta be here for my daughter, so I can't be here a long time if I'm eating
- 56:03 – 59:50
Keeping faith through loss
- LJLil Jon
chicken wings and pizza at 4:00 in the morning.
- LHLewis Howes
I know. Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
I gotta be healthy.
- LHLewis Howes
So how do you ... how has your relationship with God or your faith through the loss of your son transformed or enhanced or gone away? Like, how do you, how do you make sense of this with this type-
- LJLil Jon
Well-
- LHLewis Howes
... of a loss for yourself?
- LJLil Jon
... some people right away would curse God and, "Why?" And I immediately felt like it was a reason He was putting me through this. I was like, maybe He's using me as a vessel to help other people, um, because I'm the guy known for partying and such fun times, and then something like this happens. And if I can get through it, it's, it's, it's inspiring for someone else to say, "I can get through it too."
- LHLewis Howes
Oh.
- LJLil Jon
"They can get through it. If I can get through it, or if this can happen to me, it can happen to someone else. And if you are going through it, you can get through it."
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
You know. So I just look at it like I don't, I don't forsake God ever. It's a reason always for things happening. And, um, I, I give gratitude to God for giving me my son for 27 years.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
All of the great times and being there for when he came out to seeing him DJ, graduate, his graduation, be there, being there with him graduating from NYU.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow.
- LJLil Jon
You know, um, putting out his first song, producing with him in the studio. We had so many great nights producing music together. Um, so all of ... I, I give gratitude for that. I'm not mad because he's in a better place, you know. But I mean, it takes discipline and to be in a elevated spiritual state to be able to accept, have acceptance of-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- LJLil Jon
... of that nature.
- LHLewis Howes
It's hard. What's the greatest lesson he's taught you?
- LJLil Jon
I mean, number one, love.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
He taught me love, you know, when he was born. And, you know, never knew I could love like that.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
You know? And love and just, I don't know, just love.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
Love.
- LHLewis Howes
That's beautiful, man. It sounds like love is expanding more in your heart now-
- LJLil Jon
Oh, yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... with your daughter and where you're at now, which is pretty cool, man.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh, we met, I think it was around 10 years ago, through being of service. We're both in service-
- 59:50 – 1:01:32
His book & Crunk Cowboy
- LHLewis Howes
lessons and stories that-
- LJLil Jon
Hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... go even deeper than what we talked about here.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
I Only Shout So You Can Hear Me. I want people to get the book. The legendary award-winning producer, global hype master, and King of Crunk, Lil Jon, on the story of his life and his transformation into the high-volume showman behind a musical evolution. So make sure you guys check out the book. Uh, you can get it right now. And you also got ... I mean, you're pretty s- every time I see you, you're, you're looking swaggy, man.
- LJLil Jon
[laughs] Thank you.
- LHLewis Howes
You're looking swaggy. Your energy is high. But you got, you got everything on, which looks cool too. I wish I could look as cool as you.
- LJLil Jon
Oh, stop, bro.
- LHLewis Howes
You got, you got a new line of merch called Crunk Cowboy-
- LJLil Jon
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... which I think it's the hat right now.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah, it's Crunk Cowboy Hat.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, it's just, you just ooze cool, man.
- LJLil Jon
[laughs] Thank you.
- LHLewis Howes
I just, like, I just wanna be around you, man. Just feel cooler.
- LJLil Jon
Oh, man.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh, so people can check out your, your merch. If they wanna look as cool as you-
- LJLil Jon
Thank you
- LHLewis Howes
... and be stylish, check out Crunk Cowboy. It ... What's the website for that too?
- LJLil Jon
Crunkcowboy.com.
- LHLewis Howes
That's so cool, man.
- LJLil Jon
And it's just, you know, this kinda came about this year, just kinda like- Randomly, 'cause I just, I wear my cowboy boots every day. I'm on my-
- LHLewis Howes
I like it, man
- LJLil Jon
... I g- I'm on my grown man-ish.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- LJLil Jon
You know? Like, so it's just I'm, I'm feeling different, I'm looking different, and I kinda created a brand that's for, you know, it's like however you feel, you know, do whatever you feel.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And it's also like crunk and cowboy connect-
- LHLewis Howes
That's cool
- LJLil Jon
... because we're millennials. We're older now.
- 1:01:32 – 1:04:53
The 3 truths
- LJLil Jon
a good way, then Crunk Cowboy is for you, man.
- LHLewis Howes
I like it, man.
- LJLil Jon
Like I said, swaggy too.
- LHLewis Howes
Crunkcowboy.com. Lil Jon across all social media platforms as well. Uh, I got two final questions for you.
- LJLil Jon
Yes, sir.
- LHLewis Howes
Um, this is called the three truths.
- LJLil Jon
Okay.
- LHLewis Howes
Hypothetical scenario. Get, imagine you get to live as long as you wanna live.
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
And manifest and create everything you could dream of and beyond. But for whatever reason, on the last day of your life many years away, you have to take all of your work with you, all of your music, art-
- LJLil Jon
Hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... content, y- your merch, whatever it is, your book. It's all gone. Hypothetical scenario.
- LJLil Jon
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
Um, but on the last day of your life, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three truths that you believe in that you would share and leave behind. What would those three truths be for you?
- LJLil Jon
One of the things that I live by is acceptance. The key to happiness in life is acceptance. Because if you have acceptance, nothing can bother you, nothing can hurt you, and you a- you're also, you learn when you have acceptance. You, you, whatever th- the situation is, you can say, "Oh, okay. I went through this. I'm gonna learn this lesson. I accept that I had to go through this to learn these lessons," and move on. So acceptance is number one 'cause we also, as human beings, we wanna try to make something. We'll, we wanna wield things the way we want 'em to w- to be.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
But that's not what you're supposed to go through. That's not-
- LHLewis Howes
It's not God's will
- LJLil Jon
... how you're supposed to learn the lesson.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
So you have to have acceptance for the cards you're given.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
So acceptance. Um, and then number two thing that I live by is get in the passenger seat and let God drive.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Trust in God. If you trust God, if you truly trust God in your heart, no matter what you worry about, it's always gonna be fine. It's just like manifesting. If you believe that God has got your back and God has got you, it's gonna be okay.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- LJLil Jon
Always gonna be okay. We worry about so much stuff, and it's, it's situations that don't even exist sometimes. They don't even ex- they haven't happened.
- LHLewis Howes
Imaginary.
- LJLil Jon
Yes.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- 1:04:53 – 1:06:00
What he wishes people asked
- LJLil Jon
the future.
- LHLewis Howes
Absolutely.
- LJLil Jon
Without love, we don't have a society.
- LHLewis Howes
Wow. Before I ask the final question, is there anything you wish more people asked you that they don't?
- LJLil Jon
How's your day?
- LHLewis Howes
How is your day?
- LJLil Jon
My day is great. I woke up today. It's beautiful. But most people just say, "Can I get a picture?"
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Really?
- LJLil Jon
They don't... People have gotten so accustomed to just, you know, we got camera phone... Well, we got phones on our cameras, and they just get what they want. They wanna just-
- LHLewis Howes
They wanna take
- LJLil Jon
... they don't... They wanna take, but they don't wanna just say, "Hey, how you doing?"
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
"Let me give you a hug today."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm.
- LJLil Jon
"Let me give you some positive energy."
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
That goes a long way.
- LHLewis Howes
Every, every time I see you, I'll make sure I ask, "How's your day?"
- LJLil Jon
[laughs] 'Cause sometimes I see people, and I can feel their energy 'cause I'm a empath.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And I just give some- random people something. I might be walking through the club, and I just feel some energy, and I feel someone needs some uplifting, and I might just give them a hug-
- LHLewis Howes
That's beautiful
- LJLil Jon
... and say, "It's gonna be all right."
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- LJLil Jon
And then I just keep it moving.
- LHLewis Howes
Imagine walking through the club and Lil Jon just gives you a big hug.
- LJLil Jon
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
You know? It'd be amazing. That'd make your
- 1:06:00 – 1:06:18
What is greatness?
- LHLewis Howes
night.
- LJLil Jon
Hey, man. It'd make your year.
- LHLewis Howes
It would. [laughs]
- LJLil Jon
For real.
- LHLewis Howes
Um, final question. What's your definition of greatness?
- LJLil Jon
Greatness is living in God's purpose.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- LJLil Jon
And being true to yourself, you know? Both of those. 'Cause if you, if you're true to yourself and you live in
- 1:06:18 – 1:09:43
His new calling: healing
- LJLil Jon
God's purpose, you're doing what you're supposed to be doing on this earth.
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm. To follow up with that, I got one more question, uh, for you. What... You know, you ha- you were talking about your gifts and talents that you've developed over your life.
- LJLil Jon
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
From drumming to music to deejaying to producing to collaborations to touring. All these talents and gifts that you had-
- LJLil Jon
Mm
- LHLewis Howes
... to bring joy to others and also to create opportunities for yourself. I believe there's a difference between your gifts and your calling.
- LJLil Jon
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
Now that you're going into 55 years of life and you've cultivated your talents and gifts for so long-
- LJLil Jon
Mm
- LHLewis Howes
... what do you feel like is your calling moving forward?
- LJLil Jon
Well, my calling is interesting, has always been to uplift. My music puts people into a vibration of happiness and joy, and I, I figured that out years ago. I was like, something about what I, when me creating music and my voice, it just makes people have a good time and forget about their problems. Now my calling is to help to heal. Mm. Come on. 'Cause through the meditations, you know, so many people, when I put out the meditations albums, hit me and said, "Hey, I never meditated before. Thank you for turning me on to this." People that probably would have never thought about meditating, I turned them on to meditation. Wow. And some people, they said, "Hey, your meditation of sleep helped me to sleep. I, I, I don't sleep well." Or someone even hit me, a couple people even said, "Your meditation about grief helped me to get through the loss, this loss." And so it's, it's just, I understand. And even now with the book, sharing all the things that I've been through with, you know, not just my son, but even finding out my father is not my biological father, and sharing all of these- Mm-hmm ... all these intimate secrets that could've been tucked away forever. Interesting. Sharing these things in the book and n- and, and of course sharing how I dealt with the loss of my son is also could be inspiring and, and could help somebody being able to relate to my situation and get through their situation. Like I said earlier, I can maybe help someone that's struggling with it. Mm. And they see me- Mm ... the party guy that, that, that always smiling, yeah, guy. If he can, if this can happen to him and he can get through it- Wow ... I can get through it. Wow. So I understand God is speaking to me in that way because He's, He's given me these talents to, to get to this point, and now I have to keep using them, but now for other reasons. Wow. So you're really tapping into healing. Yeah. Helping others heal now. Yeah. That's your calling. And it started with the meditations. [exhales] Yeah. From turn down to turn on. [laughs] Turning people on to healing. Turning, yeah, turning people on to healing. Wow. 100%. Yep. Lil Jon, my man. Thank you for being here, brother. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. If you're a hurdler, you don't look at obstacles the same way. It's just another opportunity to jump higher. Everything changed once I realized when they're saying no, they're just saying I didn't do a g- enough job. So my thing to God is
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