Dubowitz & Horton on Lex Fridman: Why JCPOA spared Fordow

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June 26, 2025

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4h 5m

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Lex Fridman Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep473-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/iran-war-debate-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Mark's X: https://x.com/mdubowitz Mark's Podcast: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD): https://www.fdd.org/ Scott's X: https://x.com/scotthortonshow Scott's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow Scott's Podcast: https://www.scotthortonshow.com/ Scott's Website: https://scotthorton.org/ Scott's Books: https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y The Libertarian Institute: https://libertarianinstitute.org/ Antiwar.com: https://antiwar.com/ *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Hampton:* Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/hampton-ep473-sb *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep473-sb *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep473-sb *Oracle:* Cloud infrastructure. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/oracle-ep473-sb *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep473-sb *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Episode highlight 1:15 - Introduction 2:18 - Iran-Israel War 11:00 - Iran's Nuclear Program 42:52 - Nuclear weapons and uranium 54:55 - Nuclear deal 1:20:29 - Iran Nuclear Archive 1:43:06 - Best case and worst case near-term future 2:18:30 - US attack on Iran - Operation Midnight Hammer 2:42:04 - Nuclear proliferation in the future 3:03:02 - Libertarianism 3:15:51 - Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) 3:31:26 - Trump and Peacemaking process 3:36:23 - WW2 3:49:23 - WW3 *PODCAST LINKS:*

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🎤 SPEAKERS

• Mark Dubowitz

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• Scott Horton

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• Lex Fridman

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🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Lex Fridman Podcast, featuring Mark Dubowitz and Scott Horton, Dubowitz & Horton on Lex Fridman: Why JCPOA spared Fordow explores fury Over Iran: Deterrence, Deception, and America’s War Choices Debated Lex Fridman moderates an intense, highly detailed debate between anti-war libertarian Scott Horton and Iran-hawk policy analyst Mark Dubowitz about Iran’s nuclear program, recent U.S.–Israeli strikes, and the broader U.S. role in the Middle East.

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