Lex Fridman Podcast

Pavel Durov on Lex Fridman: Why He Stayed Free After France

Durov defines the only real enemy as fear, which gives everything else its power; on this stoic principle he withstood arrest and kept Telegram open.

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Sep 30, 2025·4h 34m·Watch on YouTube ↗

📖 CHAPTERS

1. 1
   0:00 – 3:07

   Introduction

2. 2
   3:07 – 6:15

   Philosophy of freedom

3. 3
   6:15 – 14:20

   No alcohol

4. 4
   14:20 – 20:16

   No phone

5. 5
   20:16 – 41:28

   Discipline

6. 6
   41:28 – 56:50

   Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics

7. 7
   56:50 – 1:13:01

   Arrest in France

8. 8
   1:13:01 – 1:23:56

   Romanian elections

9. 9
   1:23:56 – 1:33:29

   Power and corruption

10. 10
    1:33:29 – 1:45:29

    Intense education

11. 11
    1:45:29 – 1:49:58

    Nikolai Durov

12. 12
    1:49:58 – 1:54:11

    Programming and video games

13. 13
    1:54:11 – 2:11:24

    VK origins & engineering

14. 14
    2:11:24 – 2:20:40

    Hiring a great team

15. 15
    2:20:40 – 2:39:42

    Telegram engineering & design

16. 16
    2:39:42 – 2:44:39

    Encryption

17. 17
    2:44:39 – 2:49:26

    Open source

18. 18
    2:49:26 – 2:51:58

    Edward Snowden

19. 19
    2:51:58 – 2:53:10

    Intelligence agencies

20. 20
    2:53:10 – 2:56:19

    Iran and Russia government pressure

21. 21
    2:56:19 – 3:03:16

    Apple

22. 22
    3:03:16 – 3:35:31

    Poisoning

23. 23
    3:35:31 – 3:44:23

    Money

24. 24
    3:44:23 – 3:54:13

    TON

25. 25
    3:54:13 – 3:57:12

    Bitcoin

26. 26
    3:57:12 – 4:03:52

    Two chairs dilemma

27. 27
    4:03:52 – 4:15:02

    Children

28. 28
    4:15:02 – 4:19:33

    Father

29. 29
    4:19:33 – 4:26:05

    Quantum immortality

30. 30
    4:26:05 – 4:34:09

    Kafka