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Masters of ScaleMellody Hobson: Scaling financial literacy to children & beyond (with Angela Ahrendts) | Summit 2024
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Book launch and the mission behind “Priceless Facts About Money”
Angela Ahrendts opens by celebrating Mellody Hobson’s new children’s book and asking what shaped it. Mellody explains the book’s surprising reach and why she intentionally designed it to teach adults through kids.
- •Angela highlights Mellody’s long-standing work in financial education and the Ariel Community Academy
- •Mellody shares the book reached #2 on the New York Times Best Seller List for Children
- •Mellody says she’s using children as a “gateway” so adults learn alongside them
- •She describes spending four years researching the book, starting during COVID, to address widespread financial illiteracy
Early money memories: scarcity, shame, and a drive to understand
Mellody recounts formative childhood experiences where money was a constant stressor because her family didn’t have enough. She describes how shame and instability pushed her to pursue knowledge about money as a way to break cycles.
- •Mellody recalls seeing her mother’s bounced check posted in a grocery store and feeling intense embarrassment
- •She describes evictions, disconnected phone service, and hiding the car to avoid repossession
- •She explains that as a child she felt burdened because she couldn’t control outcomes or know when hardship would end
- •She connects those experiences to her desire to understand money, not simply to have it
- •She frames her childhood hardship as an unexpected gift that anchored her purpose
Why financial illiteracy persists—and what schools often miss
Asked what she sees in young people, Mellody argues the U.S. is broadly financially illiterate and explains why. She contrasts basic practical skills with the broader concepts she believes should be taught early.
- •Mellody says only twenty-five states mandate financial literacy in school
- •She distinguishes between reading a utility bill and learning markets and concepts like compounding and inflation
- •She says these concepts can be taught at a very young age
- •She points to widespread anxiety around money and says many habits are learned from parents
Teaching “value” early: bartering and kid-friendly decision-making
Mellody shares a simple framework for teaching very young children about money: start with value. She describes using tradeoffs to prompt children to evaluate what matters most to them and why.
- •Mellody suggests teaching value before teaching money mechanics
- •She uses a “cupcake or Barbie” example to illustrate how kids assess tradeoffs
- •She emphasizes helping children think about immediate versus lasting value
- •She encourages building these thought processes early to reduce confusion later
Modern money feels invisible: ATMs, cards, and the missing cause-and-effect
Mellody explains how today’s payment methods can make money feel abstract for children. She describes how that abstraction can lead to misunderstandings about affordability and credit.
- •She says kids see money coming from ATMs or payments happening via phones and plastic cards
- •She contrasts this with growing up around cash and the clear “finality” of a wallet running out
- •She notes children may respond to “We can’t afford it” with “Put it on a credit card”
- •She argues demystifying cause-and-effect is essential for healthier understanding
How Mellody teaches her daughter: hands-on money responsibility in daily life
Mellody walks through practical ways she involves her 11-year-old daughter, Everest, in real transactions. She explains how repeating concrete actions—paying, making change, calculating tips, and signing receipts—builds confidence and awareness.
- •Mellody shares Everest was her editor and helped choose the illustrator, Everest’s art teacher Ms. Stevens
- •She describes how her own mother taught her by having her pay at restaurants, count change, and calculate tips
- •Mellody has Everest handle restaurant bills and do the math, including signing the receipt to feel “power” and responsibility
- •She shares examples of Everest noticing and commenting on how expensive restaurants can be
Price awareness everywhere: Shake Shack, Sephora estimates, and learning “tax” in the car
Mellody gives additional real-life examples that help a child connect spending to real numbers and concepts. She describes building estimation skills and using everyday moments to teach what taxes are and how they affect earnings.
- •Everest reports surprise at a $45 total for three people at Shake Shack, reinforcing cost awareness
- •At Sephora, Mellody prompts Everest to guess prices and estimate totals before checking out
- •At McDonald’s, Everest asks what tax is, leading to an extended explanation during the drive
- •Mellody says Everest was shocked by the idea that, in effect, several months of work can go to taxes
Digital purchases and delayed gratification: iPad games, Disney+ rentals, and comparing value
Mellody explains how she uses app purchases and streaming rentals to teach delayed gratification and value per use. She shows how comparing time spent and repeat usage can reshape how children evaluate price.
- •Mellody says Everest must always ask permission before buying anything in an iPad game
- •She intentionally avoids instant “yes” to build delayed gratification, even for small amounts
- •A larger in-app purchase prompts Mellody to delay and discuss it with Everest’s father (“Baba”)
- •When Everest objects to a $15.99 Disney+ movie, Mellody compares value: two-hour movie versus brief gameplay
- •Mellody links movies to reusable “toys” for children, noting her past role as chairman of DreamWorks Animation
Corporate DEI pullbacks: legal fear, zero-sum thinking, and why diversity matters
Angela shifts the conversation from personal finance to diversity and inclusion in business. Mellody argues that legal and cultural pressures have chilled corporate DEI efforts, and she explains why she believes diversity improves outcomes.
- •Mellody says opponents have been effective at creating legal fear, citing the Harvard case’s chilling effect
- •She states she believes she benefited from affirmative action at Princeton and is unapologetic about it
- •She rejects the idea that progress is a zero-sum game where someone’s gain requires someone else’s loss
- •She says more opportunity is needed for people of color and women, based on her experience being in rooms where they are not present
- •She argues data shows diversity improves outcomes and fuels innovation through different backgrounds and perspectives
Private salons for learning: “call them,” expand your world, and gather brave thinkers
Asked about her small gatherings of global leaders, Mellody describes how they started and what she hopes they accomplish. She credits a lesson from her husband about reaching out directly and building a “big world” of perspectives for learning.
- •Mellody describes hosting private, small gatherings focused on conversation rather than public events
- •She shares that her husband is George Lucas and recounts his encouragement to simply call people she wants to meet
- •After trying it and getting a yes, she says she realized she could live in a “big world,” not a small one
- •She emphasizes inviting people for their bravery, courage, and strength of convictions—not fame or wealth
- •She says the gatherings are about learning through rich conversations; some people jokingly call it “Mellody TED”
Scaling financial literacy with book giving: libraries, schools, workplaces, and statewide efforts
Angela asks what the audience can do to help scale financial literacy. Mellody describes how book purchases and distribution—especially through libraries and schools—can broaden access, and she clarifies her personal financial stake.
- •Mellody says every dollar from the book is donated and not personally benefiting her
- •She encourages giving the book to young people and notes it may help parents learn too
- •She highlights an effort where someone bought copies for every branch of the New York Public Library
- •She shares that the state of Maine bought the book for every elementary school student—13,000 books
- •She urges leaders to consider buying copies for everyone in their office so families can bring it home
Unexpected money history lessons from the book: signet rings, meteorites, and memorable facts
Mellody illustrates the book’s appeal by sharing surprising facts that even financial experts didn’t know. She offers examples meant to make money concepts vivid and memorable across ages.
- •Mellody recounts Mike Milken telling her he learned a lot from the book
- •She shares her view that a knight’s signet ring functioned like an early credit card, using wax seals as receipts
- •She explains how the innkeeper would take the bill to the castle to get paid
- •She says precious metals came from meteorites that crashed into Earth billions of years ago and calls that the “earth’s first deposit”
- •She frames these stories as “nuances” that can teach both kids and adults
Market perspective without stock picks: overlooked companies and small-cap optimism
In closing, Angela asks for an investment tip, and Mellody responds with broad market observations rather than specific recommendations. She argues attention has concentrated in a small set of large companies and describes why she expects smaller stocks to matter again over time.
- •Mellody declines to discuss specific stocks but comments on market concentration
- •She says the “Mag Seven” have drawn enormous attention and that even great companies can be “priced for perfection”
- •She notes many other companies in the S&P 500 have been overlooked amid that focus
- •She says small- and mid-cap stocks, including the Russell 2000, have been “orphaned”
- •She cites long-term history of small stocks outperforming large ones and says she’s not questioning “if,” only “when” smaller stocks will have their day
