How to Live a Life of Purpose According to World-Renowned Psychic Medium | The Mel Robbins Podcast

1. 0:00 – 5:28

   Intro

   1. MRMel Robbins0:00

      (ticking clock) (sighs) I have no idea what is about to happen. Who is Kim Russo? Kim is an intuitive psychic medium. She literally can talk to dead people. Please, if you're a skeptic like me, drop the skepticism for just the time that you're listening to this. I've got my hand on my heart (laughs) . I just know this is going to be magical. It's gonna open you up to new possibilities. It's gonna help you tap into your intuition, and you and I are in for one hell of a wild ride. Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to The Mel Robbins Podcast. (sighs) I have to take a deep breath because I have no idea what is about to happen on our conversation today. I'm not kidding. I am about to introduce you to a woman named Kim Russo, who changed the entire trajectory of my life three years ago. Who is Kim Russo? Kim is an intuitive psychic medium, and I met Kim because she was booked as a guest on my daytime syndicated talk show. And I'm a huge skeptic. I love this stuff, I want to believe this stuff, but I have a massively healthy dose of skepticism. I don't know if you're this way, like when you go get your tarot cards read or you go see a psychic, there's a part of you that's like, "Hmm, did they do a Google search?" And so when Kim Russo showed up, I knew that she had a hit show on A&E. I knew that, uh, she had done a lot of appearances on Oprah Winfrey's talk show because my executive producer had worked for Oprah Winfrey for over 10 years, and she's the one that said, "You have to have Kim on." And so Kim came on to my daytime talk show, and we learned all about her gift. You're gonna learn about it today too. And, and she literally can talk to dead people. That's what she does. I'm just gonna throw it right out there in layman's terms. She is an intuitive psychic medium who has been able to do this since childhood. You will hear the whole story, and I'm gonna ask you something. Please, if you're a skeptic like me, drop the skepticism for just the time that you're listening to this. I want you to open your mind and your heart up to a new possibility. And one of the possibilities that I want you to open up to is that even as you're listening to this right now, whether you're walking in the park or you're driving your car, Kim Russo says you're not alone, that your loved ones who have passed on are here beside you, helping you navigate your life. And you can learn how to open up to the signs, how you can tap into the messages that they are giving you, how you can borrow courage and confidence and insight from your loved ones. And that's exactly what happened to me when I met Kim Russo. She turned to me and said, "Are you open to receiving a message from somebody that you love?" And I'm like, "Yeah, sure." And what she proceeded to tell me is something that you cannot Google, and it changed the entire trajectory of my life. I sold my house. I moved from Massachusetts to Southern Vermont, and the only reason why I did it was because of what Kim Russo told me on that day three years ago. I haven't seen her since. I've been wanting to catch up with her, and so now as I sit here in the house in Southern Vermont that she told me I needed to buy, I'm about to see her again, and I have no idea what is about to fucking happen. I've got my hand on my heart (laughs) . I just know this is gonna be magical. It's gonna open you up to new possibilities. It's gonna help you tap into your intuition, and you and I are in for one hell of a wild ride. So without further ado, I see her in the waiting room. Let's get Kim Russo on The Mel Robbins Podcast. Kim.

   2. KRKim Russo4:20

      Ah. (laughs) . Hello. Hello.

   3. MRMel Robbins4:24

      Hi. I have been dying to talk to you.

   4. KRKim Russo4:29

      Really? You shoulda just reached out (laughs) .

   5. MRMel Robbins4:31

      I know I should've. I... Well, uh, where I want to start is... Well, first of all, welcome. Thank you, thank you, thank you for, uh, uh, making the time to come on and catch up.

   6. KRKim Russo4:42

      Uh, I couldn't wait to see you again. It's been, uh... Um, we had... I have so many emails from th- the show I did with you that, uh, I don't even think you realize. It was very impactful.

   7. MRMel Robbins4:54

      An- Well, it was incredibly impactful in my life because... I don't know if you realize this, or if you even remember the message that you gave me.

   8. KRKim Russo5:03

      I don't because we spoke backstage as well.

   9. MRMel Robbins5:06

      Yes. So when we were on the set, you turned to me at one point and told me that there was somebody behind me that was wearing a decorated military uniform, and you asked me if I knew who the person was. And I said no, and then you said, "Anybody in your family in the military?" And I said, "Well, my grandfather, and he was in the Navy." And you said,

2. 5:28 – 10:41

   The mind-blowing session with Kim Russo that still gives me chills.

   1. MRMel Robbins5:28

      "No, this was a decorated Air Force pilot. Do you know who it could be?" And I said no. And then you said, "Does the letter K mean anything to you?" And I said no. And then you said, "What about the name Ken?" And I said, "Well, that's what we call our daughter. She's named Kendall after her father-in-law, Ken, who has since died." And you said, "Well, could it be Ken?" And I said, "No, he was not a Air Force pilot." And you said, "He's getting agitated-

   2. KRKim Russo5:59

      (laughs) .

   3. MRMel Robbins5:59

      ... I want you to check."And so they called my husband in the control room, and in the little earbud thing, I could hear my executive produ- and say, "Mel, we have your husband on the phone. It turns out your father-in-law was in the Air Force Reserves. He had always dreamt of being a pilot, and they found out he was colorblind, so he couldn't be."

   4. KRKim Russo6:21

      (gasps) .

   5. MRMel Robbins6:21

      Now Kim, this is a fact that you cannot Google about my father-in-law. This is a fact about a man that I knew for decades that I never knew. And so when you said that, I knew with every cell of my being that my dead father-in-law, Kenneth Robbins, was standing behind me. And it was just like him to pick a fact like that, that I wouldn't know or couldn't Google, to dispend all of my, my like resignation or skepticism. And then you leaned in and you said something about, "You know, you have a son, don't you?" And I'm like, "Mm-hmm." And now I'm basically levitating, 'cause I realize my father-in-law is standing behind me.

   6. KRKim Russo7:05

      Right.

   7. MRMel Robbins7:05

      And you start talking about our son, and you then say that, "Ken, my father-in-law has been watching him, and he's a huge fan of our son." And then you said to me a sentence that changed the rest of my life.

   8. KRKim Russo7:23

      Whoa.

   9. MRMel Robbins7:24

      You said, "Ken has a message for you about your son." And you said, "I don't know what it means. I hope you will." You said, "He is upset about something going on at a school." You know, I, and, and you go, "I don't know what it means." And you kept going, "I don't know what it means." You go, "He's, he's either got friends at a school or there's a nickname they're calling him at a school." And at the time, our son was going to a school outside of Boston that he did not like. He did not have a lot of friends. And then you said, "I don't know what it is, but there's something about a school. You don't like it, but you have to trust your son." And you said, "Do you know what that means?" And I said, "I know exactly what it means." And what nobody in my life knew is that at that moment in time, our son was advocating that we allow him to go to high school in Southern Vermont. We lived outside of Boston. He wanted to go to high school in the town where his grandparents lived.

   10. KRKim Russo8:32

       Wow.

   11. MRMel Robbins8:32

       And so we had been fighting privately. This is not anything I had shared with anybody. My husband, my son and I had been fighting non-stop about the fact that they wanted to move up to Southern Vermont, and I didn't want to move. And I had put my foot down and said, "Absolutely not. We're not moving. We live in Boston. My company is in Boston. We are not moving." And I walked off that set today, that day after you and I talked, Kim. I called my husband and he said, "Honey, I'm not gonna argue with your dead father-in-law. We'll try Vermont. We'll try it for a year." He then said, "Well, I didn't tell you what happened last week." I said, "What the hell happened last week?" He said, "My mom called me and my brothers and said that she was gonna downsize and wanted to sell the house that my dad and her had built."

   12. KRKim Russo9:22

       Wow.

   13. MRMel Robbins9:22

       "And when she asked all of us if anybody wanted it, my one brother said, 'I don't want it.' My other one said, 'I can't afford it.'" And my husband told his mother, "We've made a decision to stay in Boston, so no." And I said, "Well, call your mother back and get an appraisal, because we're moving to Vermont." And I am now talking to you from the house that my father and mother-in-law built, which we bought. We moved to Vermont. We renovated this house. I hated every second of it. And every day I would wake up, Kim, and go, "I have to trust in the wisdom of this message. I have to trust in the guidance that was delivered to me. There is a reason why Kim was on the show. There is a reason why my father-in-law appeared from the other side. There's a reason why my son knew that this was the right thing for him and he kept fighting me. And I'm gonna let go and I'm gonna believe." And I will tell you something, three years to the day that I talked to you and you delivered that message, I followed it to the T. I am the happiest, the most content that I have ever been in my entire life.

   14. KRKim Russo10:34

       Oh my. Oh my. Oh, I, I, wow. Whoa. Well, thank you for

3. 10:41 – 12:16

   Now we live in an entirely new state because I trusted in the guidance.

   1. KRKim Russo10:41

      sharing that. Uh, when you were speaking, it was coming back to me. Uh, I don't recall the messages that I deliver because they're not coming from me. Uh, so it's as, it's as if I, I am an observer-

   2. MRMel Robbins10:54

      Hmm.

   3. KRKim Russo10:54

      ... and a, and an interpreter. Um, you know what I remember about coming on your show? I was called because you had a cancellation with someone else. So I, I do believe everything happens for the reasons. And, um, I am so happy you trusted. Do you know how many people would not trust some psychic that came on a show? Do you know how many would not trust? So who-

   4. MRMel Robbins11:21

      I would think the majority. I mean, I, I-

   5. KRKim Russo11:25

      Yeah.

   6. MRMel Robbins11:25

      I didn't want to trust you, 'cause I didn't want to move and I didn't want to change my life and I didn't want to turn everything upside down. And yet, somewhere deep in my being, I knew this was the truth, and I knew that it was being delivered in a way to make me pay attention. And so, I just want to thank you and I'm so excited to introduce you to our global audience, because I think you have this extraordinary gift, and I want everyone listening to suspend your suspicion for just a second, and I want you to listen to what Kim has to offer you, because she has changed my life. Why don't we begin with, what is an intuitive psychic medium, Kim?

   7. KRKim Russo12:13

      ... we are all intuitive. Um,

4. 12:16 – 16:22

   What is an intuitive psychic medium and why doesn’t Kim like that title?

   1. KRKim Russo12:16

      I don't like labels. I don't even like the word psychic or medium, to be quite honest with you. And I do feel that as time goes on, uh, that title is moving away from me, because I am more of a teacher of energy.

   2. MRMel Robbins12:33

      Mm-hmm.

   3. KRKim Russo12:34

      And energy... And I'm very science-based in my mind. Uh, as spiritual as I am, that's as science-based as I am. I always loved science, because my inquisitive mind needs to know how things work. And when I couldn't really understand how I knew these str- things about complete strangers, uh, I needed to research, and in my research, I found that we are all intuitive. It's, it's the language of energy that was suppressed because, um, there might just have been some people that didn't want us to know our power in this, in this universe, and it's all coming back to us now. We're all getting in touch with our intuition. I always say, and I, I'm ve- I'm a very critical thinker, and I always like to use common sense. If the animals in the, the wild have intuition that tells them when danger is near, that guides them throughout to find food and everything else, learn... You know, instinctively knows how to reproduce, why wouldn't more intelligent creatures on our planet have the same, if not more of that same wisdom inside of them? So it's a program that we've been conditioned to let go of, beginning with school, really, or beginning with th- the way our parents learned, and then they teach it to us. I wrote all about this in my, in my, um, my books, because it's really teaching about an unlearning of b- block- blockades, where we're just so blocked in our thinking. So it's really about what you did, Mel. It's about trusting and l- allowing and letting go of control. And what I teach most people when I, when I teach people how to get in touch with their gifts is releasing the control, if they can, which was what you did. You, you put your ego aside for the betterment of your family, especially your son.

   4. MRMel Robbins14:49

      Mm-hmm.

   5. KRKim Russo14:49

      I have three sons. There's nothing we wouldn't do for our children, as you know. And I like what you said. You said, "Everything within me knew it was the truth," AKA the word resonance.

   6. MRMel Robbins15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   7. KRKim Russo15:06

      It resonated with you, with your soul, with your higher knowing, and pretty much that's really how we should live our life. And, and following you, you teach this anyway. You just don't put a label on it, but you teach this. We, we're very similar in what we teach.

   8. MRMel Robbins15:26

      I agree. I agree. You just have this, uh, mystical sledgehammer in the way that you deliver the message that makes it very hard to ignore. How did you start to realize you had this gift of speaking to and delivering messages from people's relatives that have died?

   9. KRKim Russo15:48

      So, long story short, as a child, every night going to sleep, there was this group of statuesque people w- with depressed looks on their face standing at the foot of my bed. I now know them to probably be spirits from the Depression era. They were all in black. They never cracked a smile. Uh, I didn't understand who they were, what they wanted, and why were they in my room every single night of my life.

   10. MRMel Robbins16:18

       You could see them?

   11. KRKim Russo16:19

       I saw them. They did look transparent,

5. 16:22 – 22:45

   Kim knew something was different about her from a young age.

   1. KRKim Russo16:22

      like I can see through them, but yet I can see everything about what they were wearing and what they looked like, just a little bit transparent. Um, and I slept with the covers over my head every night. My sister and I shared a bed, a bedroom, and she was... She's my bigger sister, just by a few years, but she was always my source of c- comfort because she was older, and she just always guided me, and I felt safe knowing she was next to me, but I was all alone i- in this situation because she never saw what I saw.

   2. MRMel Robbins17:00

      Did you ever tell her what you were seeing?

   3. KRKim Russo17:02

      Absolutely, I told her-

   4. MRMel Robbins17:02

      And what, what, what did she say?

   5. KRKim Russo17:05

      "Go to sleep." You know, "I don't see anything. There's nothing there." I would tell my dad, "I'm not going in the room." When we would come home from relatives or we were out for the evening, we would come home, I wouldn't go in my bedroom, and my dad would humor me every single night, checking in the closet, checking under the bed, letting me know the coast was clear, right? So I, I trusted my dad. No sooner did he leave the room, uh, there they would appear, as soon as he left, and my sister would fall asleep. "Mommy, please could I sleep in your... with Daddy in your..." "No, go back." They were very strict about that. Uh, having my sister was a huge source of comfort. I would keep her up at night with every distraction I could. I taught... I told her to teach me how to spell. I mean, what was I, seven maybe? Five to seven. "Please teach me how to spell," and I'll never forget her teaching me the word elephant, 'cause it was the longest word, and I just kept her up because I didn't wanna contend by myself, and I was up most of the night contending with this group of people. Uh, there were about five of them in, in, in total, and...I started looking at relatives. My dad's from Europe, i- uh, from Italy, and I started looking at photo albums as I got older.

   6. MRMel Robbins18:25

      Mm-hmm.

   7. KRKim Russo18:25

      And I said, "Gee, this is the kind of attire that these people always were wearing." They went away when, in my teenage years. We had moved into a new home and they didn't... Th- they followed me for a bit, and then I didn't see them. Through my teenage years, my life was completely normal. And I say, I was a mere mortal at that time.

   8. MRMel Robbins18:47

      Let me ask you a question. Were you... I, you were scared 'cause you were a little kid, but did you... Like, did you have any, like... Other than covering your head, did you try to talk to them? Did you yell at them? I don't know how I would deal, over the course of five or six years, looking at the end of my bed and seeing ghosts. (laughs)

   9. KRKim Russo19:07

      It's true. So as a child, as you know, children looked to adults for, for body language, for a smile, crack a smile, to show their approval, to show that they're, they're kind. They never showed any emotion, but just like-

   10. MRMel Robbins19:25

       Hmm.

   11. KRKim Russo19:26

       Like that. Like, like just nothing. Then they would follow me to school.

   12. MRMel Robbins19:31

       What?

   13. KRKim Russo19:31

       N- I never saw them. I felt them following me. We would walk to school, and I always felt like I had these people. Like, you know when you go up a flight of steps and you just feel like something's behind you? Everyone has experienced that once in their life. And, uh, walking through a dark alley, you feel, like, some weird vibe. I've always felt this energy around me, and I just assumed it was them. Um, you know, back then, I don't know, parents really didn't, didn't pay much mind about things like this. I think now they're more open, parents are more open-

   14. MRMel Robbins20:08

       Mm-hmm.

   15. KRKim Russo20:08

       ... to their children when they say they see a man. I get emails d- daily of, of parents telling me their children sees a man with a black hat, which is not always so great. Um, I understand it now way more than I ever did. Of course, w- we didn't know any of this.

   16. MRMel Robbins20:26

       What do you understand now?

   17. KRKim Russo20:27

       What I understand now is, um, these were either trapped souls connected to the property. My father and my, uh, uh, uncle built that home. I don't know about the land, and, and... Or they might have been immigrants to, to my dad's family that I don't know, that may have gone back generations. Definitely from the Depression era. The one man was gaunt. He, he looked like he really could use a, a good meal. Uh, uh, they, they looked just so miserable, honestly. So, I know now that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, as we know by science. It can only change form. And energy cannot be destroyed, so if our soul is made up of pure energy, which it is, how can we be destroyed in our consciousness? So it's consciousness that can't be destroyed-

   18. MRMel Robbins21:22

       Hmm.

   19. KRKim Russo21:22

       ... literally. Again, I go back to energy, 'cause energy is real. Uh, we use it every day of our lives. We don't see electricity. We don't see the cellphone signals, but yet we use them as they translate through the receivers that we have in our homes, right?

   20. MRMel Robbins21:40

       Yeah.

   21. KRKim Russo21:40

       We have f- fuse boxes for our electrical. We have, uh, cellphone towers for the signals. And we have mediums for the energy, the signal of, uh, deceased consciousness, or even consciousness itself. Because I learned that I am able to communicate with people in, in a coma, or people with Alzheimer's or dementia who's kind of not really in, in their bodies, but their consciousness is free. So I'm able to connect with that. I only learned that throughout the years of doing this for so many years.

   22. MRMel Robbins22:15

       I remember when you were on our, on my talk show, and we met three years ago. You said something that I found very comforting. I turned to you before you started, um, is, you started reading people and talking to the spirit guides that had come into the room. I said, "Now, are, are there dead people in this talk show room?" And you were like, "Oh, yeah. Everybody always has one or two people with them." And I found that to be very comforting. Is that

6. 22:45 – 32:23

   This news Kim shared felt really comforting to me.

   1. MRMel Robbins22:45

      true, that we tend to have somebody that is with us as we're going about our day-to-day life, whether we feel them there or not?

   2. KRKim Russo22:55

      It's absolutely true. They are always there as a frequency.

   3. MRMel Robbins23:00

      Hmm. Why do you think those five souls followed you? Do you think they sensed that you could connect with the energy?

   4. KRKim Russo23:12

      Great question. They, they absolutely can sense it. And again, there's a little bit of a backstory. Prior to being able to seeing... I even backtrack it a few more years, when it was Christmas Eve and my mom was in the kitchen cooking, big Italian feast, and I was a curious little girl, as I still am, I found a safety pin on the floor right by the Christmas tree. And I wanted to see what would happen if I stuck it in the electrical socket. And I did, and my body shot across the room. I got electrocuted. My right arm was completely charred. My mother rushed me to our family doctor, who, at the time, was always on-call, as you know. They don't have that... That's a gift that we don't have anymore. He said, he called, he said to my mother, "Meet me at my office." Actually, that doctor saved my life too, several times. And he wrapped my arm in this, um, ointment called Silvadene, and he told my mother that I may or may not have any scarring.Now, the only reason I know that this opened up something in my auric field, which everybody has an energy field around them, there was a tear in my aura. That's how they got in. And the only reason I know this is years later, I picked up a book in the library when I couldn't control the voices and the information that was coming at me. I needed to find some information on this, and there wasn't much, but there was a book called The Link, L-I-N-K. I bought this book on Amazon. I have it. I opened to a random page, nothing is a coincidence, and the page said that most mediums have found that prior to the age of 10, they were hit with high doses of electricity, such as being struck by lightning, electrocution. H- how did I open to that page? They wanted me to know. They wanted me to know, because I needed to understand. And I had a pact with God. I need... Because I was raised Catholic, and I needed to know that I wasn't going against my religion and what the Bible says, which it does say, you know, "Do not consult with mediums." It does say that in the Bible. And I went to Catholic school for a short time, and I was pretty familiar with the commandments and I needed to know, and I said, "I, I... If you want me to do this work, I need you to work with me. I need to know, eh, that I'm not doing anything against, you know, you, God, and, and that um, I need to know that I'm not gonna be (laughs) you know, condemned to hell-"

   5. MRMel Robbins26:14

      (laughs)

   6. KRKim Russo26:15

      "... at that time," you know. I, I didn't know much. I've, I... You know, I'm a seeker of the truth. I now know that we all have this ability to connect with energy, and that all this is, is energy, honestly.

   7. MRMel Robbins26:30

      I have so many questions to ask you.

   8. KRKim Russo26:31

      Okay. Shoot.

   9. MRMel Robbins26:32

      So-

   10. KRKim Russo26:32

       Shoot. I'm all ears.

   11. MRMel Robbins26:34

       Okay. So you get electrocuted as a little girl. You start to see these five spirits and energetic consciousness at the end of your bed. You then move and you sense that they're following you, but they don't come to the new house. How do you... What is it that happened as you got older that made you realize, "Holy cow, this isn't some weird thing. I actually have a gift." What was that moment?

   12. KRKim Russo27:05

       Okay. So fast-forward, uh, my sister had called me one day. Now, we're both adults. We both have our children. W- w- everything is normal. I don't see dead people. I don't hear dead people. My life is normal.

   13. MRMel Robbins27:19

       (laughs) Okay.

   14. KRKim Russo27:20

       When I m- when I married my husband, my life was normal. I wasn't a psychic. I wasn't seeing dead people. Nothing, nothing like that. My sister said, "There's this psychic c- going to be in town. Would you like to go?" I said, "Oh, yeah. That sounds like fun." We go see this woman. She was not giving readings. She was giving a lecture, and her lecture was about how she became... She walked into her mediumship gifts after her sister passed away.

   15. MRMel Robbins27:51

       Hmm.

   16. KRKim Russo27:52

       When we walked in, she had us sign this mailing list with our phone number and our address. I didn't think anything. Okay. Phone number, address. My sister signed it right after me. About a month later, I get a call from that same woman telling me that she lived in my area. Actually, she did. She lived pretty much around the corner from me. And then, she told me I am a medium, and that I was meant to do big things with my gifts, and that she was giving classes on mediumship. Now, first of all, I am a New Yorker.

   17. MRMel Robbins28:33

       (laughs)

   18. KRKim Russo28:33

       I don't trust. I don't fall for anything. I'm very level-headed, as much as I know, and I was very skeptical. I'm like, "Ugh, this lady needs students. She's targeting me. I live around the corner." I said, "Oh, you know, I, I don't have childcare." Her, her classes were in the morning.

   19. MRMel Robbins28:53

       Okay.

   20. KRKim Russo28:53

       And I had, I had just had my, my third son. I had no sitter. I was a stay-at-home mom, and she said, "Do you know, I'm going to let you slide, but I won't forget about you." So I called my sister. I said, "Did that woman Holly call you for c- her classes?" She said, "No. I didn't get a call." Okay. One year later, she calls me again. She said, "I am being pushed. You need to take my class." She said, "But guess what? It's not in the morning. It's at the night. My classes are at night. You have no excuse." So now, I didn't know what I would see. I... She, she really did not take no for an answer, at all. So I did go to her class, and I, I didn't know if I was going to see chickens getting their heads cut off-

   21. MRMel Robbins29:41

       (laughs)

   22. KRKim Russo29:41

       ... or voodoo. I didn't know what this was. So I looked around. I saw everybody looked kind of normal, and I was ready (laughs) to bolt out the door if I saw anything that did not resonate. She was a nice Jewish woman. So like, I looked at, like, where does religion fit into this?

   23. MRMel Robbins30:02

       Yeah.

   24. KRKim Russo30:02

       I... That was my question. I went to 12 classes in total. Every time, there was once a month that she invited us to read each other, and I never went. I never went to that. I didn't wanna read anybody. So she wouldn't stop. She's telling me that, um, my name will be well-known. I didn't believe a word she said, none of it. Uh...... you're meant to do this, you're gonna be... So anyway, I'm done with her classes. Another month later, she calls me to do one of her psychic fairs. I said, "I don't read." She said, "Yes, you do." I said, "No, I don't read." I said, "Holly, did you ever see me come to any of your classes and do readings?" She said, "No, you never showed up." I said, "So why are you calling me? I'm, I can't do it." She said, "Okay." I didn't do the fair. Within that month, that's when the, the water faucet turns on. I was hearing everybody in the heavens as I was, would do mundane tasks. I was blow-drying my hair, I was vacuuming, I was washing dishes, and this is what I would hear. "Hi, my name is Lisa. I died in a car accident." "Hi, my name is Tracy. Please get in touch with my mother." And I'm like, "No, this can't even be real. I'm imagining this." Finally, I couldn't take it anymore and I had to call her. She said, "I've been expecting your call." I said, "Well, w- well, you know what I'm about to say," and she laughed. She's deceased now anyway, by the way, this wonderful woman who was such a catalyst on my journey. I said, "Holly, how do I stop the voices?" She said, "You can't." I did her next psychic fair. I was never more terrified in my life. After the first reading, it hasn't stopped and I've been on this journey ever since. And that's, that's my story.

   25. MRMel Robbins32:01

       Wow.

   26. KRKim Russo32:03

       I mean, there's a lot more in between, but, you know, I gave you the CliffNotes.

   27. MRMel Robbins32:08

       Well, what I love about it is you had to do that moment of letting go and leaning in, that something bigger that cannot be explained is actually what's meant for you. I would love for you to talk directly to the

7. 32:23 – 38:14

   What should you do if you think you have a psychic gift?

   1. MRMel Robbins32:23

      person listening that has a sense that they maybe have this gift too. What would you say to somebody who feels like they've had these experiences, but they don't know what to make of it and they don't know how to tap into it?

   2. KRKim Russo32:41

      Okay, sure. This question (laughs) comes up every day of my life. Um, if you think you have a gift, you already know you have a gift. There's, there's no thinking involved. What a lot of people do... And again, this is a lot of psychology, so you, um, I know you'll be able to relate. What people fear, they don't embrace, right?

   3. MRMel Robbins33:05

      Mm-hmm.

   4. KRKim Russo33:05

      And they don't necessarily choose to look into it because again, it's a program. Fear is a program. And the biggest blockage of letting go is ego. Now, I don't mean ego in the sense that you think you're great. I mean, ego in the sense of fear is ego, controlling, um, needing to control is ego, not surrendering to a higher power is ego. Just again, to clarify that for the audience. People think, "Oh, I'm... I don't think I have e- ego." Well, we all have an ego. It's how we survive in this world, right? Not trusting is part of your ego. Uh, and then there's a healthy ego. Getting washed every day, focusing, you know, w- committing to a purpose. That's, that's also the healthy ego. But getting rid of the ego. So if something is telling you on your way to work every day, you have a, the, the best route, route mapped out, but something is telling you, "Make a left. Don't go your usual route," do not discount that, please. That's your spirit guides or your higher wisdom of your own soul telling you, guiding you to avoid something major, right? "Cancel that trip." "What do you mean cancel that trip? I paid a lot of money for that. It's my, uh, 60th anniversary. I, I can't cancel that trip." Cancel that trip. In your gut, in your solar plexus. Some people get it in their heart, like a pounding. So these are our chakra centers, the fuse box to the house, where energy comes in. We have fuse boxes in our body called chakras. We all have them. They're energy centers, and this is what allows us to stay connected to the, the 3D Earth. And it allows us to navigate how we react in this world, how we transfuse, um, uh, anxiety or just so many things. Our chakras are a... have a lot to do with it, and chakras are very much based on belief systems. Uh, so if you refuse that little voice-

   5. MRMel Robbins35:18

      Hmm.

   6. KRKim Russo35:19

      ... you're going to wish you didn't. I teach this to everyone. You cannot put faith and logic in the same sentence. It doesn't go together. Logic is what you were trying to use to... "I have my business here in, in Boston. I, I have every... I dedicated everything here, but something's telling me to let go of it all-"

   7. MRMel Robbins35:46

      Yeah.

   8. KRKim Russo35:46

      "... and go, go to the next chapter," because there's something in that chapter that's waiting for you. And I always say, "Nothing changes if nothing changes." And that's, that's the God's honest truth. So we have to get off of the loop of everything we've always done and step out in faith. Um, we all have innate abilities, and what I was about to say earlier is if the conscious mind does not allow you to tap in, these abilities will show up in your dream state.

   9. MRMel Robbins36:21

      Mm-hmm.

   10. KRKim Russo36:21

       And why? 'Cause the conscious mind, the guard dog, is sleeping.... it's, it's put to the side. It's not doing all the logic and the rationalization. The left brain is put to the side, and your psychic awareness will come through precognitive dreams, where you have dreams of future events. Um, do you ever wake up and say, "Gee, uh, I'm thinking of so-and-so. Why am I thinking of them?" Something in your sleeping state was telling you to call them when you woke up.

   11. MRMel Robbins36:56

       Wow.

   12. KRKim Russo36:58

       So, I like to teach people to pay attention while you're awake.

   13. MRMel Robbins37:04

       Okay.

   14. KRKim Russo37:04

       A- allow the subconscious mind, or the soul, to filter through the conscious mind, even if it doesn't make sense. Something is telling you this. This, this... Even if it's not a voice, it could just be a feeling, right? I work mostly on feelings, which is called clairsentience. You, you've heard of clairvoyance?

   15. MRMel Robbins37:28

       Yes.

   16. KRKim Russo37:28

       That's where, where people could see the visions.

   17. MRMel Robbins37:31

       Yes.

   18. KRKim Russo37:32

       Clairaudience is when they can hear the voices. Clairsentience is when you could feel something doesn't feel right. Like when you walk in a room and, and it, it looks beautiful, but it doesn't feel right. Something, maybe someone just had an argument in that space, and you're picking up on the vibrations of that.

   19. MRMel Robbins37:54

       Hmm. Hmm.

   20. KRKim Russo37:55

       We do this every day, we just don't have a name for it. We just don't know. And, and we don't wanna give ourselves so much credit, right? That's a thing. People don't like to take credit. "I'm not a psychic." "I'm not a medium." I'm like, "Yes, you are." I tell everyone, "Yes, you are."

   21. MRMel Robbins38:11

       Everybody's a medium.

   22. KRKim Russo38:13

       Everyone's

8. 38:14 – 40:24

   You’ve had an experience where you were a “medium in the moment”.

   1. KRKim Russo38:14

      a medium. Now, a medium is not only someone who could connect to dead people. That's another misconception. A medium can just channel for the moment. For the moment, medium for the moment. We all have done this at some point in our lives.

   2. MRMel Robbins38:33

      Give me an example of the way-

   3. KRKim Russo38:34

      Oh.

   4. MRMel Robbins38:34

      ... you can be a medium in the moment.

   5. KRKim Russo38:36

      Have you ever had a conversation with a friend, and they're telling you their problems, let's just say.

   6. MRMel Robbins38:43

      Yeah. Okay.

   7. KRKim Russo38:44

      Talking about their husband, their relationship, their boyfriend. And you're listening, right? And you're listening with s- empathy, compassion, 'cause you're a good friend. You're a decent person, and you wanna help people, and you wanna help your friend. Something tells you inside, "Don't even worry about it. You're not ever gonna be with this guy." And you say that to your friend. You say that. And they're like, "What do you mean, I'm not gonna be with him?" "I don't know what it means, but you're not gonna be with him anyway. Something's going to happen that will take him out, uh, of your path. So, don't even worry about it." And they push you. "What does, what does that mean? What do you, well, how, what do you know? What do you know?" "I don't know. I just felt that. I felt that in the moment that you're not ever gonna be with this guy anymore. Maybe he'll die. Maybe he'll cheat on you."

   8. MRMel Robbins39:36

      (laughs)

   9. KRKim Russo39:36

      "Maybe something. Maybe he'll get a job transfer." And you don't know what it means, but you knew you needed to say that because you felt it. Has that ever happened to you, Mel?

   10. MRMel Robbins39:48

       Of course. It's happening to me right now with, uh, somebody that I love in my life.

   11. KRKim Russo39:53

       Great.

   12. MRMel Robbins39:54

       And I'm smart enough not to really say anything, because I know that'll make them cling to them tighter. I just, like, "I know. I know that this is not forever." How does the other side, people who have passed on, communicate with us? Is it a language? Do they move stuff? Like, how can we tap into that?

   13. KRKim Russo40:15

       Great question again. It's the language of energy.

   14. MRMel Robbins40:19

       Okay. And what is the language of energy, if you're trying to tap into it for the first time?

9. 40:24 – 44:41

   How do you tap into this kind of energy?

   1. MRMel Robbins40:24

   2. KRKim Russo40:24

      Everybody's clairs, which is how you receive information, is, it w- You may have a, a, a more developed clair than the next guy. P- some people have problems with visualization, right?

   3. MRMel Robbins40:40

      Mm-hmm.

   4. KRKim Russo40:40

      They're like, "No, I'm not a visual person, so I can't really see that." That's why a lot of people can't meditate, um, when, when they're being walked through a meditation, a visual meditation. So, I would say, well, that clair is not developed, but they have, um, the, the clairsentient, which is feelings. So, everyone is different in the way they receive information and which clair is more developed. So, what I would say is pay attention to how something makes you feel. Um, I am a more visual person, so, uh, it, when I receive information, I could, like, watch a movie in my mind.

   5. MRMel Robbins41:21

      Hmm.

   6. KRKim Russo41:22

      And I can tell you what's happening in that movie. A lot of spirits who don't speak English, uh, communicate with me through a movie because the language barrier. They also can give me feelings because love is a universal feeling. So, with sadness, everybody knows what that feels like. So, I would say pay attention to your strongest clair. Remember the pit in your stomach? You're feeling something and it's not right. That's why it's called the gut feeling. It's in your gut. If you get a vision of something out of nowhere, like a fire or something, pay attention to that. Why did that vision come out of nowhere? Uh, so the first thing I would say is pay attention to how you, how things make you feel.

   7. MRMel Robbins42:12

      And be open to it being a message and guidance.

   8. KRKim Russo42:17

      Yes. And the message doesn't always translate in the moment. Sometimes it makes sense later.

   9. MRMel Robbins42:24

      Okay.

   10. KRKim Russo42:25

       Uh, that, that happens a lot, because time is not linear in, in, in the other realms, or in the language of energy, I should say, or even in the quantum field. Quantum mechanics talks about energy. It's, uh, uh, time is not linear at all. So, it's only linear based on our, you know, clock...... and our time system, our calendar i- uh, right here on the, in the 3D. But in the quantum, it's not linear. So that's why they talk about manifestation. You put a thought out there, and based on the intensity of the belief system and the emotion, it will come back to you like a magnet. Not always. If you're having pessimistic thoughts about, uh, getting that manifestation, it, you, you just kind of canceled it out, right? So we have to release... Here's a great example. I love this example. When you go through a drive-thru.

   11. MRMel Robbins43:22

       Yes.

   12. KRKim Russo43:22

       McDonald's, wherever, Taco Bell, which hopefully you don't, but if- (laughs)

   13. MRMel Robbins43:29

       (laughs) Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, you're getting your coffee. Okay.

   14. KRKim Russo43:33

       (laughs) You place an order through this little machine.

   15. MRMel Robbins43:36

       Yeah.

   16. KRKim Russo43:37

       This voice. When you pick up your order, you expect it to be exactly as you gave it out.

   17. MRMel Robbins43:43

       Yes.

   18. KRKim Russo43:44

       Same thing with the universe. You put a thought out, you expect the result to be delivered, and nothing more, nothing less. Except if it's not for the highest good of all concerned. 'Cause the universe won't give to you and take from someone else. It's a, it's a fair universe. So it has to always be for the highest good when you ask for something.

   19. MRMel Robbins44:10

       What does that mean? Uh, what if I'm manifesting that, um, I don't know, that my, my loved one, uh, uh, goes into remission?

   20. KRKim Russo44:22

       Okay, that's a good one. If your loved one contracted for a certain exit point in this lifetime, you probably won't be able to manifest that.

   21. MRMel Robbins44:33

       Hmm.

   22. KRKim Russo44:33

       Because there's a soul contract with that loved one. "I am exiting at this date, at this time, in this manner."

10. 44:41 – 51:10

    What the heck is a ‘soul contract’?

    1. KRKim Russo44:42

    2. MRMel Robbins44:42

       What is a soul contract?

    3. KRKim Russo44:44

       It's a, it's a contract all, every soul has before they come to Earth. And the contract is... Well, let's talk about you.

    4. MRMel Robbins44:53

       Me?

    5. KRKim Russo44:55

       Yeah, why not?

    6. MRMel Robbins44:55

       Oh, God. Okay.

    7. KRKim Russo44:58

       Maybe in your last life or one of your last lives, you, you hurt some people with your, with your power, or your money-

    8. MRMel Robbins45:06

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

    9. KRKim Russo45:06

       ... or your notoriety. This is maybe, hypothetical. And in this lifetime, you're like, "You know what? I have to balance that." Because in the universe, there's the law of balance. There's no way around that. You could call it karma. I don't like that word, by the way, 'cause you always think of a, a negative connotation when you say the word karma.

    10. MRMel Robbins45:25

        Hmm, that's true.

    11. KRKim Russo45:25

        But I, I like to call it the law of balance. That's why I'm known as the happy medium. Because the happy medium is a phrase that's been coined to find the balance. And if you come back here y- this time to balance out your soul, you're like, "Yeah, you know what? I have to dedicate my life to helping people, empowering people, because I took people's power away in other times, and now I have to teach them how to get it, how to keep their power, and how to bring that into fruition this lifetime." So you're the teacher of that for people.

    12. MRMel Robbins46:06

        Hmm.

    13. KRKim Russo46:06

        Right? So you're, that's one of your soul contracts. Uh, say you had a lover that died at war and he never came back. That chapter's not closed with that soul. So the contract with that soul is, "Let's go back and get this one right, because we had such a good thing going until you went to war, and my heart has never been the same since."

    14. MRMel Robbins46:31

        Hmm.

    15. KRKim Russo46:31

        "But this lifetime, we're gonna, we're gonna ride it out, and we're gonna have... You're not leaving me early, and, w- uh, you know, maybe I'll leave you before you leave me." So they're just agreements, just like we have agreements here. They usually work with other souls, and it also connects to an experience you want to have. An experience you want to have. So some people say to me, "I don't know where I should move." Your case was different 'cause there was a son involved and everything else. And here's what my answer would be: "There's no wrong or right answer. What experience would you like to have?"

    16. MRMel Robbins47:13

        Hmm.

    17. KRKim Russo47:15

        There's no wrong or right answer. You have free will. Now, the experience you'd like to have will really put you on that trajectory of that soul lesson. See, your higher self has all the answers. You know exactly why you're here. You have the program downloaded inside of you, the contract I mean. You know? When a, when an astronaut goes into space, he doesn't go unprepared. He goes with the food, he goes with the right garments, he goes with the right vehicle. He's going on a mission. He knows what he needs to survive going into space. We know what we need to survive coming onto Earth. It's no different.

    18. MRMel Robbins48:00

        So when you become a medium in the moment and you allow yourself to lean into your intuition and your feeling, whether your power is in the visual or the auditory or the feeling, and I would put mine in the feeling category for sure.

    19. KRKim Russo48:14

        Mm-hmm.

    20. MRMel Robbins48:15

        Um, that's how you tap into that inner wisdom that's programmed in you. That's how you connect with your spirit guides and the guidance of loved ones who have passed on.

    21. KRKim Russo48:25

        So when you pick up the phone to call anyone that you love here, you kind of do expect them to answer the call. You, y- uh, uh, un- unless they're busy.

    22. MRMel Robbins48:37

        Right.

    23. KRKim Russo48:37

        The o- the other side, when we think of them, it's c- we're calling them.

    24. MRMel Robbins48:45

        Hmm.

    25. KRKim Russo48:46

        However, they can be busy. They, they don't sit on a cloud with a harp.W-

    26. MRMel Robbins48:52

        Um, what are they doing?

    27. KRKim Russo48:54

        Uh, well, their... So, they have a lot of jobs there. A lot. And it's no different than here, but most of it has to do with helping our planet, and a lot of it has to do with helping souls transition.

    28. MRMel Robbins49:09

        Hmm.

    29. KRKim Russo49:10

        Many people have come through to me telling me over the years, I'll give you just some examples, uh, maybe a young girl would come through who always wanted to have a, a family, a, a husband, and a, and a, uh, a life with children, and they never got to realize that here, but they will be working with children on the other side. They'll take the children under their wing, they'll help cross them over into the spirit world. Even though they're not children as a soul, their souls cross as children, you know, babies and whatnot. Then I have people tell me they're working with the, uh, the animal kingdom because they loved pets when they were here. I have people coming through fishing because that was their favorite pastime, and they, they have everything we have, it's just a dimension of frequency. Here, we're a dimension of physical matter, so there, you can think of fishing and you can have that experience, and it's no different. It's just you don't have a physical, you know, fishing rod, and I'll just give you examples.

    30. MRMel Robbins50:21

        It's pure energy.
11. 51:10 – 55:24

    The three biggest life lessons Kim says you need to hear.

    1. MRMel Robbins51:10

       with tens of thousands of individuals who have passed over to the other side, what are some of the biggest lessons that you've learned?

    2. KRKim Russo51:22

       Through them, you mean?

    3. MRMel Robbins51:23

       Yeah.

    4. KRKim Russo51:26

       Well, number one is, uh, our earthly life is a blink in, i- i- in the equation of eternity.

    5. MRMel Robbins51:35

       Hmm.

    6. KRKim Russo51:36

       It's a blink. 99 to 100 years is s- which is the average lifespan. We're just passing through. That's all we're doing here. Uh, that's number one. So, don't sweat the small stuff, because you only, uh, you're just here for a quick stop. This is not eternity. They always want us also to know this is not where we came from. So there is a place where we all came from. That's the place we go back to, and that's where we're reunited with our loved ones. This is just the, you know, the stop on the train. A big lesson they would like to talk about is forgiveness, and the scope of our, um, understanding through the, these two little slits in, in our, in our head, which are the, the earthly eyes. We're only seeing life with these two little eyeballs. Can you imagine, right? It's like getting in an airplane. You see the aerial view, but when you're on the ground you can only see what's in front of you.

    7. MRMel Robbins52:50

       Hmm.

    8. KRKim Russo52:50

       So they love to talk about the bigger picture and what was keeping you in bondage while you were there on y- on your earthly journey, that it was just a figment of your mind. It was bondage of your own thoughts. It doesn't mean it was the truth. And we're all c- coming to the table with programmed thoughts of limitation, 'cause that's the program. We're, we're, we're all in that program. It's a matter of getting out of that program.

    9. MRMel Robbins53:24

       Well, you know, when I think about the example of getting a message from you three years ago from my dead father-in-law that I needed to trust my son, and even though I didn't like what was going on at the school, he knew what the answer was, and I needed to let him make the decision, and I needed to trust it, the only thing standing in my way of embracing what I knew to be true was fear. And I think a lot about the example that you gave early on about how every other animal and sentient being on this planet operates based on instinct and vibration. They do not have language to talk themselves out of the wisdom that is programmed into them. They're running on energy and instinct and intelligence. And the only difference, and what, you know, ironically makes us a more, quote, intelligent being than animals and satient, satient beings is that we can talk and think in words, which ironically is what buries our intuition. It is what we turn to whenever we get afraid of change or of what the message that your life is trying to give you is telling you. And so it's with our words that we talk ourselves out of the magic and the possibility and all of the messages that I think our, our higher self and our spirit guides are trying to give to us. Um, if you were to say to somebody, like, "There are two things that you can do."... in order to start to strengthen your connection to your inner wisdom, to your higher self, to the messages that are all around you every single day,

12. 55:24 – 1:01:03

    Two things people can do to develop their intuition.

    1. MRMel Robbins55:24

       what would those one or two things be that you want people to do beyond just, like, pay attention to the feeling? Is there anything proactive that somebody can do to start to develop this medium, in-the-moment skill that you're talking about?

    2. KRKim Russo55:39

       Absolutely. Sure. I love how you just reworded everything.

    3. MRMel Robbins55:44

       (laughs)

    4. KRKim Russo55:44

       (laughs) That was so per- that was perfect. Uh, and, and how true it is. The left brain is the logic mind, so we have to move into the right brain. That's where the higher wisdom comes from, the downloads, the intuition, the connection to the higher realms, which is the right brain. Meditation is number one. Um, I am not a person that goes into some kind of organized meditation with, uh, in a yogi position. I don't do any of that. You can meditate by walking on a beach, without your phone of course, like, just you with your own thoughts, sometimes pushing the thoughts out, and just allow yourself to be. Uh, you don't have to do anything where you sit there with your eyes closed. Um, I take a nice, uh, hot bath. That's my form of meditation. And I just sit alone with my thoughts and I, and I, I give grate- I just allow for the gratefulness and the thankfulness. That's the number one thing you could do to open up your heart chakra, because the, the way to get to that right brain and to that wisdom is only through the heart. O- Never through the mind, ever. It's only through the heart. So, I encourage my students to work on their heart chakra, uh, and, and when you work on the heart chakra, thankfulness, gratefulness comes from there. Forgiveness comes from there. Uh, you don't have to forgive the act of the person, but just allow for the forgiveness to understand that that person's working off a program, and that's not a healthy program that allowed them to do that to you, whatever that might be. So, we have to start to look at people as souls rather than ha- harmful human being. Souls with a program, and everyone's program is different based on their childhood, blah, blah, blah. I won't get into all that. But the heart chakra's the gateway. That's the way to God, to the higher w- minds. The heart chakra can be opened, um, with compassion. Do some volunteer work. See how your life is in comparison to the less fortunate. Help others. It helps you. When you help others, it helps you feel like you have a purpose. And if you don't know your purpose, make that your purpose, is to help someone. Uh, help an animal. Help someone who cannot help themselves. That's another way to the heart chakra, right? Allowing for forgiveness, compassion, empathy, gratefulness, joy. Do s- Joy is huge. Did you ever find anybody that you know that didn't work from the heart, with joy? Not really. They're working from their lower chakras, which is fight or flight. There's also something that I love and it's so much fun, and people could do this with their children. Children, before they've been indoctrinated by this world, their gifts are just, uh, so highly vibrating, and they don't have that mindset to kinda talk them out of it. So, what I would do is take an object of someone you know.

    5. MRMel Robbins59:20

       Okay.

    6. KRKim Russo59:21

       It could be a living person, a deceased person. Energy is still there. That's why they, when they look for people that are missing, they give the psychic the b- a piece of the person's clothing because it's holding energetic vibrations. So, take an object of someone and give it to someone as an exercise, and, uh, let's just say it's your grandmother's ring.

    7. MRMel Robbins59:46

       Okay.

    8. KRKim Russo59:46

       Let's just say, hypothetically, but they can be a living person too. And you know everything about your grandmother. Let's just say she was a baker and she w- she, she was a singer and she worked in the church. The person holding onto the ring of your grandmother, it's called psychometry. It's a, it's a real thing. That's, that's an, a psychic exercise. I- i- uh, just write down the impressions that you're receiving. So, without thinking, uh, don't think yourself out of it. I- if you see a color, if you feel a feeling, if you're watching a movie and you see, write it down. Give every single piece of information you're receiving. Remember, you're the receiver now.

    9. MRMel Robbins1:00:32

       Hmm.

    10. KRKim Russo1:00:33

        You will read the, the note paper, and you will see you'll, most people are very intuitive without them knowing it. I love to prove to people how intuitive they are. That's one exercise that I use with my students, is show them how intuitive they are by holding something that has a vibration, and everything has a vibration. Uh, everything's living, being, um... And it doesn't have to be, like, a relic or anything

13. 1:01:03 – 1:06:11

    That night in the pouring rain with the owl was a spiritual experience.

    1. KRKim Russo1:01:03

       special. It could just be, it could be anything, it could be clothing of a living or a deceased person.

    2. MRMel Robbins1:01:09

       You know, I had something happen the other day-

    3. KRKim Russo1:01:12

       Hmm.

    4. MRMel Robbins1:01:13

       ... and I am still marinating in the meaning of what happened.It was my 27th wedding anniversary, and my husband and I were coming back for dinner. And it was dark and it was pouring rain, and we were having this conversation about spirituality. My husband is a death doula, and he is getting his master's right now in spiritual psychology. And so we're having this conversation. We come up over this hill, and Kim, all of a sudden we see this massive bird fly down onto the road and, you know, try to, like, grab a mouse or whatever in its talons, and there was a car in front of us. And as the bird came up, the car hit the bird, and the bird went tumbling and I yelled, "Chris," and we hit the brakes, and I jumped out of the car. And there were a couple other cars behind us, but I mean, it was pouring. And so it was this very, like, cinematic, out-of-body experience because I'm in the pouring rain dressed in my high heel boots 'cause I had come from my anniversary dinner. We're up in the mountains in Vermont. I'm stopping traffic, and there in front of me through the headlights and the pouring rain is an owl, and its wings are splayed out in the r- and one of the wings is bent backwards. And I run over to it, and it's an adult barred owl, and it was kind of face down with its belly on, and I'm just drenched, and the water's coming down, and the headlights are coming through, and there is no thoughts in my mind. It was like a pure spiritual download. And the guy in the car behind Chris, and I said, "I have a towel in the car. Let me grab it." And as I stood over this bird going, "It's okay, buddy, we got you," his head, like how an owl's head can turn all the way around-

    5. KRKim Russo1:03:13

       (laughs) Yeah.

    6. MRMel Robbins1:03:14

       ... turned, turned from the road all the way backwards. And this owl held eye contact with me for probably 25 seconds, and-

    7. KRKim Russo1:03:31

       Gosh.

    8. MRMel Robbins1:03:32

       ... the towel came. I swooped him up. I, I don't even know what I was thinking because I wasn't thinking about his talons or his beak or anything. I just swooped him up like a baby and swaddled him, and then I held him in my arms for 30 minutes as we drove home because, you know, one of his wings was so... And he didn't move. Now clearly he was in shock, but to me, I feel like that was a profoundly psychic spiritual experience. And to your point, I have no clue what it means, but I know at some point I will.

    9. KRKim Russo1:04:21

       How's the owl doing now? Do we know?

    10. MRMel Robbins1:04:23

        Yeah. Um, we called the, uh, my vet, and then my vet told us about this incredible rescue organization in Woodstock, Vermont, and, uh, they told us what to do with him overnight. We put him in a dark area in a laundry basket with a towel with a lid on top. They came the next morning, and he's going to be okay. They're not going to be able to release him, I don't think, back into the wild, but he will survive.

    11. KRKim Russo1:04:47

        So, as you know, owls represent wisdom. That's what I keep hearing as you're telling me this, wisdom, wisdom, higher wisdom too. That's why an owl can turn its head. It sees everything. It's like a 360 view and aerial view and bigger picture. I think it's very representative.

    12. MRMel Robbins1:05:09

        Hmm.

    13. KRKim Russo1:05:10

        And I mean, bravo to you for doing what you did. May- many people might not have done that. But it's, your car was targeted, and there's just, I take it as there's this new, especially what you just said about Chris, and this new chapter opening up of the higher wisdom coming in, maybe with him, maybe with you, maybe with both of you. Um, but I definitely feel something is a new chapter regarding, I guess, everything we're speaking about today-

    14. MRMel Robbins1:05:47

        Yeah.

    15. KRKim Russo1:05:47

        ... with you, you and Chris.

    16. MRMel Robbins1:05:49

        Totally.

    17. KRKim Russo1:05:50

        Especially Chris. I mean, that's amazing what he's achieved, and he's definitely got, has to be doing that from the heart chakra. You can't be a death doula without feeling all kinds of emotions on a daily basis.

    18. MRMel Robbins1:06:05

        You know how tho- there are those of us that say that we are, you know, empaths,

14. 1:06:11 – 1:12:07

    Is being an empath a form of mediumship?

    1. MRMel Robbins1:06:11

       and you just absorb what everybody else is feeling, and you can have your energy drained? Is that a form of being a medium, that you're absorbing, like you heard all those voices, Kim, where, "Hey, Kim, it's Lisa. Can you get in touch with my mom? Hey Kim, it's, (laughs) it's Michael. I'd like to talk to my daughter." Is being highly empathic, is that a form of downloading messages not only from other people that are physically in front of you, but from people that have passed over?

    2. KRKim Russo1:06:44

       Absolutely, yes, because you're like a sponge, and, um, a lot of what I call psychic vampires, which could just be regular everyday people, those are the victims. Those are the narcissists.

    3. MRMel Robbins1:07:00

       Mm-hmm.

    4. KRKim Russo1:07:00

       They always are drawn to empaths, because they know that we're easy prey. So I would say empaths without good boundaries could be dead in the water, literally, energetically. You can... Yeah, they, they, they, they, they can leave you for dead energetically-

    5. MRMel Robbins1:07:20

       Yeah.

    6. KRKim Russo1:07:20

       ... if you allow them. Uh, I also am working on a book, like, ethics of mediumship.

    7. MRMel Robbins1:07:26

       Oh.

    8. KRKim Russo1:07:26

       And, and also the dangers of mediumship, and, and again, to answer your question, there are dangers of mediumship because you are connecting with a higher frequency.... and the medium must raise their vibration in order to e- and the spirit world lowers their vibration. As you can imagine, when, when they don't know how to control their vibration or emotions on the other side, they can allow the medium to be very anxious, because they're vibrating really quickly and they're hanging around my aura. So, a lot of mediums have anxiety and they don't even know what that anxiety is. But a lot of the times, they're natural born mediums and they're picking up on the vibration and they have to have strong boundaries and say, "Whoever is around me, you need to calm, calm down because you're making me anxious. This, I was c- I was calm one minute ago and now I'm not." Um, and that goes with getting in a crowded plane or train. When you're around people in a concerts, if you start to feel anxiety, you very well could be picking up on all these people's energy coming into your space, so you definitely have to do some protective psychic work. I talk all about that, putting the bubble around you and learning how to protect your own aura and your own space. And using your voice chakra is also r- and I know you, you teach a lot about boundaries, Mel. That's huge. When, when your voice chakra's underdeveloped, you don't speak your truth-

    9. MRMel Robbins1:09:09

       Mm-hmm.

    10. KRKim Russo1:09:09

        ... you're a people pleaser, you are afraid to hurt anyone's feelings 'cause then you think they won't like you. Then you're not, you're not living your truth and you're not speaking your truth, and then you can get thyroid issues, you can get all kinds of vocal problems, and you can get asthma or feeling like you can't breathe. It's all connected to the proper chakra. That's why, you know, when they speak about heartbreaks, literally, you can die of a heart attack because of the impact to the heart chakra, so it's all connected. And yeah, empaths have to really be careful about people taking their energy because there's that phrase, "Don't take my kindness for weakness." That's where that came from.

    11. MRMel Robbins1:09:59

        Um, can you quickly explain to somebody who doesn't know what you mean when you say aura? What is an aura and do we all have one?

    12. KRKim Russo1:10:10

        Yes, we all have one. It's the, it's the energetic body that a lot of mediums or psychics can see and it's, it's connected to, again, I'll call them fuse boxes for, to, just to make a correlation. W- our bodies have chakra systems. There's seven main ones running from the base of your spine to the top of your head, like the crown.

    13. MRMel Robbins1:10:37

        Mm-hmm.

    14. KRKim Russo1:10:37

        Uh, that's why in a lot of religious figures, like Jesus and all these, Buddha, they will always show these religious, um, masters with a sun around their head or a, or a white light, uh, because that's connected to the crown chakra, which connects us to the higher wisdom or realms, right? It, it, it takes us out of our own knowing and it takes us to the deeper meanings and wisdom and connection to the masters and the higher dimensions. So, then you have, uh, there's a color associated with each chakra, so you will actually see someone's aura based on their chakra system. If you're a person who doesn't trust people, you know, you'll have, or, or is an angry person, anger comes from the root which is red. The root chakra is red color. If a medium can see an aura and there's mostly red, there's a lot of anger or that person just had a, had an argument, and your aura colors change from moment to moment based on your emotions and your thoughts.

    15. MRMel Robbins1:11:51

        Mm-hmm. You know what I'm getting from you that's really cool?

    16. KRKim Russo1:11:53

        What?

    17. MRMel Robbins1:11:54

        Is that you're coming at personal development mindset, life fulfillment by basically saying you're a soul and an energetic being,

15. 1:12:07 – 1:21:44

    You have a field of energy around you. (Scientists call it a biofield.)

    1. MRMel Robbins1:12:07

       and when life isn't working, you have blocked your energy, and that it is supposed to flow, and that when you're in a state of intuition and trust and love and growth and possibility, you are allowing energy in and you are allowing yourself to lean into it. And when things are blocked or you're angry or you're frustrated or you're whatever, when energy is blocked, it's also a message that something's not working or that you're gripping or that it's fear. And I love coming at changing your life from the angle of thinking about where the energy flows and where it's blocked and where you're receiving messages and where you are actually arguing against those messages. It's extremely accessible and empowering, and there's something about it that makes me go, "I know that's true. I know that that is true, that we are meant to live in an alignment with our higher calling and with the energy."

    2. KRKim Russo1:13:14

       Okay. I'll tell you. Uh, you were just the medium in the moment though, do you know that? (laughs)

    3. MRMel Robbins1:13:18

       No. What do you mean? What did I do?

    4. KRKim Russo1:13:19

       What you, what you just said to me. (laughs) You were like, you just kinda put it all in a nice package and said, uh, you may see it as your assessment or your observation.

    5. MRMel Robbins1:13:32

       Mm-hmm.

    6. KRKim Russo1:13:33

       I took that as a message.

    7. MRMel Robbins1:13:34

       Oh.

    8. KRKim Russo1:13:36

       It, it resonated with me. It, it, it hit my heart.So, thank you for that. Thank you.

    9. MRMel Robbins1:13:42

       So, Kim, when you quote-unquote "read people" or you talk to somebody's, uh, you know, loved ones who appear and have a message for somebody, how do you do that? Like, what's the step?

    10. KRKim Russo1:13:56

        So here's what I would recommend people do, trying to tap in. There's different ways we can listen. If you are in a room with a television and you're watching YouTube on your computer at the same time, we have the capability of switching our listening to the television or to the computer on YouTube or whatever. We have that capability of, of switching our listening skills.

    11. MRMel Robbins1:14:22

        Okay.

    12. KRKim Russo1:14:23

        That's how mediums do what they do. They focus in the direction of where the information's going to start flowing in. I, I'm a spiritual life coach. So I'm not a life coach, but I'm a spiritual... Like, they tell me what to say.

    13. MRMel Robbins1:14:43

        Wow. How do you feel when you're done channeling messages like that?

    14. KRKim Russo1:14:49

        I f- I feel good when it helps people. I also feel like I was just doing, um, translation for the deaf.

    15. MRMel Robbins1:15:01

        Hmm.

    16. KRKim Russo1:15:04

        So it's the spiritually deaf. And can I tell you?

    17. MRMel Robbins1:15:10

        Yeah.

    18. KRKim Russo1:15:10

        I learn through these messages for myself. When I give these messages, I say to myself, "Ah, I can apply this. I should apply this. This is, this is for me too." I'm thinking that in a lot of the messages I deliver. That's how I know it doesn't come from me, 'cause I'm like, "Wow, that's a great idea," 'cause it's like, it's... It helps me when I help others, and I think that goes with any- any time you help anyone with anything. It, it just, um... It's a great feeling. It... I'm... I love that I'm... S- I stepped into my soul mission, contract.

    19. MRMel Robbins1:15:52

        Mm-hmm.

    20. KRKim Russo1:15:52

        Uh, people, sometimes w- they're very depressed. It's just, they didn't step into their purpose yet, and that's why w- their vibration is being like a, like a wet blanket on it, 'cause it, they just know, "There's gotta be more for me. This is not all there is. This is not why I came here." We know innately what we're good at, and what we can do to change the world, um, and that's my mission. I, if I, if I change the world, just one person, I'm happy, honestly.

    21. MRMel Robbins1:16:28

        Well, you changed mine.

    22. KRKim Russo1:16:31

        That's still mind-blowing to me, by the way. You want Mel Robbins not for anything. It just blows my mind, honestly.

    23. MRMel Robbins1:16:39

        I, I would not... There is no... There is absolutely no way that we would've launched this podcast, or I would have done the level of healing that I've done in the last three years, or that I would be the version of myself that I am had you not walked into my life and handed me the message that I needed to hear in a way that made me wake up and say, "Fuck it. I'm gonna... I'm trusting this. I'm not arguing with my dead father-in-law. I know deep down that this move is what I need. I haven't known how to do it, 'cause I've been afraid," and it wouldn't have happened without you.

    24. KRKim Russo1:17:23

        W-

    25. MRMel Robbins1:17:23

        And so thank you, thank you, thank you for opening that up for me and walking into my life, and being a part of my life, and for all of the wisdom and guidance and tools and inspiration that you gave everyone around the world listening today. We fucking love you, Kim Russo.

    26. KRKim Russo1:17:43

        Thank you so much. Ditto, likewise. Thank you for what you do, and everyone here that's making this happen for... I just feel we're doing the same thing, all of us, uh, uh, each one of us in our own way, but thank you. Thank you so much, and I'm glad you listened to the message, and I'm glad I listened to my message.

    27. MRMel Robbins1:18:02

        Mm-hmm.

    28. KRKim Russo1:18:03

        And that's for everyone listening. Please listen. When the messages come calling, don't put them on the shelf, honestly. Thank you so much.

    29. MRMel Robbins1:18:14

        Oh, you're so cool. Hoo, holy smokes. Um, I am so happy you got to experience the inimitable, incredible, one-of-a-kind, uh, just force that Kim Russo is. I hope that you took to heart what she said, that the messages are coming from all around you, that you aren't alone, that there are guides that are with you, and that when you really lean into the fact that you do have this power, you can be a medium in the moment, you can tap into the messages that are all around you, I think you'll be surprised about what opens up in your life. What opens up in your life is your purpose, a connection to something deeper, and growth and majesty that you didn't even realize was possible. Hoo. And in case nobody else tells you today, I wanna tell you that I love you, I believe in you, I believe in your ability to create a better life, and my life is an example of the fact that sometimes you have to just trust something that you know to be true in your heart but doesn't make sense in your mind, because your heart always knows what's right before your mind makes sense of the fact that it is. All righty. I love you. I'll talk to you in a few days.Oh my God, I can't believe we're about to see her. (beep) Can you... hear us? Can you hear us? (beep) You can't hear us? We can't hear you. We can't hear you. (beep) Wait, can she hear? Oh, okay. (beep) I think we need to do something with her mic, hold on. (beep) It's m- echoing. Can you hear us now? Okay, now we can. (beep) Oh, there we go. Okay, here we go. (beep) (clears throat) Lemme start all over. Whoo! (beep) And the power of your intuition, and... what your dead relatives are saying. (laughs) I don't even know. (beep) She turned to me in front of a live audience and said-

    30. NANarrator1:20:22

        Ooh.

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