The Mel Robbins PodcastThe Best Relationship Advice I’d Give My 27-Year-Old Daughter
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Meet the Guest
- SRSawyer Robbins
My name is Sawyer. I'm 27 years old, and I need advice
- MRMel Robbins
Sawyer is my co-author of The Let Them Theory. She produced our global tour, and she was both in it, oversaw the entire creative direction of it. We basically turned our mother-daughter issues into comedy sketches to illustrate the lessons that we have learned the hard way.
- SRSawyer Robbins
What's the single most important piece of advice you would give someone who's going through a breakup and feels like their entire future just fell apart?
- MRMel Robbins
Your future did just fall apart. It was supposed to, and there's nothing wrong with you. You have not met a person that deserves you yet. [upbeat music] Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to The Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so thrilled that you're here with me today. If you're new, if somebody shared this with you, I also just wanna take a moment and welcome you to The Mel Robbins Podcast family. Today, we are doing something that I've never done before. I am sitting here with our daughter, Sawyer. Sawyer, uh, is our oldest, oldest of three. If you're a new listener, my husband and I have been married 30 years. We have three kids. How old are you? 27?
- SRSawyer Robbins
I am 27.
- MRMel Robbins
27. Kendall, who's 26. Oakley, who's 21. We are sitting in the TV room here in our Vermont house, and our rescue cat, Mr. Noodle, has jumped on my lap, and his eyes are open, but he's got that sort of dead weight of an animal that's sleeping. Anybody that has a cat understands what a precarious position I'm in right now, 'cause my legs are crossed, and I already feel my foot falling asleep. But we are doing something that I've never done before. I have no idea what we're talking about. Sawyer has a clipboard in front of her. What are we doing?
- SRSawyer Robbins
Hi, my name is Sawyer Robbins, and today, I have the pleasure of asking Mel, my mom, tons of questions about love, dating, and relationships that I myself have had for a really long time. I've pulled from listener and audience questions. I've gathered from my sister, my friends, all of who are in the same age group.
- MRMel Robbins
Questions about love and relationships.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yep.
- MRMel Robbins
Are these just questions you have about your relationship, or are these, like, random questions?
- SRSawyer Robbins
These are random questions from-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay, 'cause I know Gavin, your boyfriend, listens to this show.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yes, he does.
- MRMel Robbins
So what do you... Do you wanna say something to Gavin?
- SRSawyer Robbins
Gavin, I love you so much, and, uh, any of these questions, I've probably already brought up with you.
- MRMel Robbins
[laughs]
- SRSawyer Robbins
So you have nothing to worry about.
- MRMel Robbins
[laughs] I love that. Okay, good. So we can both weigh in, and we can go straight for, boom, the hard truth.
- SRSawyer Robbins
The jugular.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay. Well, you can go for the jugular. I'm just gonna tell you what I think.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Great. Okay, let me start with the first one.
- MRMel Robbins
All right.
- 2:47 – 16:33
How to Tell If Your Partner Is Right for You
- SRSawyer Robbins
How do you know if someone is the right person for you versus an incredible person who just isn't the right fit?
- MRMel Robbins
Um, I'm gonna give you three things.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Perfect.
- MRMel Robbins
Number one, you know. There is a deep, just awful dread when you have a sense that the person that we- you're with is amazing, but there is just something that's not quite right. And I know this dread because I have felt it with two people in my lifetime-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... before I met your father. Absolutely amazing human beings, and the truth is, I probably could have had a really beautiful marriage and life with either one of them. But I was not in a place where I was healthy enough to-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm
- MRMel Robbins
... be in a relationship.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Do you feel like if you were healthy enough, you would end up marrying them?
- MRMel Robbins
The first guy, yeah.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah. Um, and we would have had a beautiful life together. But I was in my early 20s, and I had undiagnosed ADHD and dyslexia. I was unaware of trauma that I experienced when I was in the fourth grade.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And I was a walking anxiety attack. I was on edge or drunk most of the time, and it's very hard to be in a healthy relationship when you're not healthy.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm.
- MRMel Robbins
And it's not fair to the other person because they can try to make you okay. They can... Or, and new relationships are so distracting. Oh my gosh. It's intoxicating-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah
- MRMel Robbins
... when you are falling in love with somebody, and it seems to wipe away all your problems because the... I don't even know what the neurochemicals are that are flooding your body, but goddamn, do they feel good.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
And good enough-- It's better than a Zolaft, let me tell you that.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
And so [laughs] I literally, um... But what happens is, when the relationship goes from liftoff to cruising-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah. That's when all bets are off
- MRMel Robbins
... well, what happens is all of the flood of falling in love starts to disappear, which means all of the issues that you haven't dealt with in yourself come back.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Right.
- MRMel Robbins
And then you make the mistake that I made, which is you think the problem is the other person. You think the problem is the relationship. Actually, no, you're the problem, 'cause you're not healthy. So there is a deep dread that you feel when you know that you are with the right person, but it's the wrong time.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
Or you're with the right person, but you're not right.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Or you're with the wrong person.
- MRMel Robbins
Or you're with a really, really good person, but they're the wrong person for you. And it begins with this deep knowing.
- 16:33 – 23:51
How to Know When You Need to Be Single
- SRSawyer Robbins
How do you know when it's time to be single?
- MRMel Robbins
If you have been in a series of relationships and you have never taken a break, you're an overlapper. And if you're an overlapper, you know what I mean. You're sort of like somebody doing the trapeze, where before you let go of this one, you're grabbing the next one.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
Um, you need to be single.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
Because you have been using relationships as a way to regulate yourself instead of dealing with the issues and patterns in your life that are making you unhappy.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Ugh.
- MRMel Robbins
Another person does not solve the deeper issues in your life. Another person is a distraction that keeps you from healing and growing and fixing the things that you need to fix longer.
- SRSawyer Robbins
I cannot wait to send that to so many people I know.
- MRMel Robbins
No, it's true, 'cause I was that person. I was that person, that from the age of 13 all the way until meeting your father, I was always in a relationship.
- SRSawyer Robbins
So you never had a single moment.
- MRMel Robbins
I have never been single since I was 13, and it cost me a lot.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah. Wow.
- MRMel Robbins
I don't have the group of girlfriends that I see you and your sister having from college-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... because I was always in a relationship.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
Always. I was that girl that was always in a relationship, and I really regret it, and it delayed my healing by at least 15 years.
- SRSawyer Robbins
And I think we need to clarify, because today's day and age, there's so many people who are, quote, "not in relationships," but they're still dating, but when you are dating, you are in a relationship.
- MRMel Robbins
Yes.
- SRSawyer Robbins
And so the, if you are continuing to see someone consistently, even if you don't have the title of boyfriend, girlfriend, you are still not having that single era.
- MRMel Robbins
Correct, because you're putting a ton of energy ... into what this other person is thinking-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yes
- MRMel Robbins
... and how do I spend time with this person, and what should I be looking like for this person, versus really having time by yourself.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm. I think that was, like, the best thing I ever did, was be single for, like, six years.
- MRMel Robbins
I'm so jealous, honestly. Like, I really... It's one of the biggest regrets of my life-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah
- MRMel Robbins
... that I was always in a relationship when I was young. I- if I could go back and wave a magic wand, I would make myself single for my entire college and law school years.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm.
- MRMel Robbins
And that would have also saved these two wonderful men the h- headache and heartache of having to deal with me during a very self-destructive period of my life.
- 23:51 – 31:56
When Should You Put Your Partner First?
- SRSawyer Robbins
This comes from someone in Kendall's network, my sister. "My partner is incredibly ambitious and pursuing their dreams heavily."
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- SRSawyer Robbins
"But I feel like I've taken a backseat in the relationship. How do you make sure both people's dreams matter equally?"
- MRMel Robbins
So you have taken a backseat, and you should.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
There are periods in life-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... where focusing on your ambition and the thing that you want to create comes first You cannot build a massive business and also be there all the time for your kids.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
You cannot write a book and pour yourself into it and pour the exact same amount of time and energy into your relationship. That's just the truth.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
And understanding that there are periods of your life where your ambition should come first.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
Because if you don't put in the time and you don't put in the energy, you will live with that regret for the rest of your life. I think about your sister right now. She is meant to be out in the world singing. It is so obvious to everybody that knows her. And she said to me the other day, "I'm so happy I'm single right now."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
"Because the period of my career that I'm in right now needs all of my attention." And if you're in a relationship with somebody who is wildly ambitious and you're starting to feel like you're not as important, number one, you're not as important, and number two, that's a huge wake-up call for you to figure out what is the purpose for your life. What are the things that make you feel like what you're doing matters? Because there is more to life than being somebody's girlfriend or wife. There is more to life than being somebody's mother. There is a contribution that you are here to make, and if you're in a relationship with somebody who has massive ambitions-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... you should take time to figure out what are your ambitions. And here's the, the twist on this. Ambition doesn't have anything to do with money. Ambition is the drive that you have to create and experience things. I happen to be a person that is extraordinarily ambitious.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
I love building things. I love the creative process. I, I wake up every day excited because it creates meaning and drive and a sense of purpose for me.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
Your father is extraordinarily ambitious, and the last thing he is ever thinking about is money. You can be ambitious in the way that you support your partner and the way that you raise kids. You can be ambitious in how you volunteer, in the road races that you run. But you need to have something that's yours.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Right. So let me ask a follow-up question. I know a lot of people who feel like their partner's career and their partner's ambition is driving every decision in the relationship, and their decisions don't matter. So is your advice to basically say, "Screw what your partner's doing. Don't move to the city because you don't want to"?
- MRMel Robbins
It's a yes and.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
So here is the truth, and I don't like this, but it's the truth.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
The person who typically makes more money drives the decisions.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
That's one of the reasons why I have been adamant with you and your sister that you need to make your own money, because money is power, money is freedom, money gives you choices.
- 31:56 – 38:49
How to Support a Struggling Partner
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- SRSawyer Robbins
How do you support a partner who's struggling to find a job or figure out their career without becoming controlling, critical, or feeling responsible for their success?
- MRMel Robbins
Uh, this is a really hard one because your dad, I believe, was laid off from seven jobs in nine years.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
You cannot force somebody to be motivated. You cannot force somebody to be ambitious. You cannot force somebody to be successful in a career they don't like. It takes some of us a very, very long time to find our way, and it's extremely difficult to watch somebody that you care deeply about and that you believe in slowly lose belief in themselves.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And right now, it's important to understand that we are in an extremely difficult job market.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
And we are in very weird times, at least in this country, and scary times, and there's so much change that's happening, it's very easy to feel paralyzed. And I think the most important thing that you can do, if this is a person who you see is making the effort, is to allow them to borrow your belief and optimism that this will all work out. You being able to authentically say, "I trust the timing of your life. I trust that you are going to figure this out. I trust that even if it takes you a year before you find a job, that you will look back and you will see the reason why it took a year, and you will understand that all of this," as Oprah says, "is happening for you."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And so here's what I've learned the hard way. The person that's looking for a job already feels like shit about it. They are already beating themselves up. They already feel bad. Do not make them feel bad.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
'Cause they're making themselves feel so bad, they're doing it as if 10 people are f- are putting pressure on them. They're putting so much pressure on themselves. You think they wanna be unemployed? Of course not.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Right.
- MRMel Robbins
Do you think they feel good not making money? Of course not. So you adding more pressure, you adding concern just makes that weight heavier. It's critical, even when you don't believe, to continue to say, "I know this is all gonna work out."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
"I know it's gonna be tough. I know it's gonna take longer than you and I want it to, and, uh, I, I see how hard you're working at this, and I know it's not easy. And I believe that you didn't get that job 'cause you weren't supposed to."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
"You are not succeeding at this 'cause you're not supposed to be succeeding at this. You're supposed to be a teacher. You're supposed to be a therapist. You're supposed to be a golf pro. You're supposed to be somebody that buys a small business with your dad, and you own a small business in a community."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
"You're not meant to be a person doing..." You know what your dad was trying to do? He was trying to do tech sales. He hated it, but he was trying to be good at something he hated. You will never be good at something you hate.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Right.
- MRMel Robbins
You just have something different that's meant for you, and some people need 11 layoffs to figure it out. Some people need to be unemployed for a year to realize, "Well, this isn't working. Maybe I need to make a radical change."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
It is critical if you're looking for a job that you create something that you can control that makes you proud of yourself, and I would highly recommend that you structure a physical thing. This would be a perfect time to train for a marathon. This would be a perfect time to do a challenge like 75 Hard. This would be a perfect time to take on a project that gives your day-to-day life structure. Now, here's the caveat. If you're with somebody that's looking for a job, and they're slowly starting to disengage, and they are sleeping in, and they're drinking more, and they're spending a ton of time online-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Or watching TV
- MRMel Robbins
... or watching TV nonstop, you've gotta really watch that. And when we had Dr. Jonathan Haidt on The Mel Robbins Podcast, he is a professor at NYU, he wrote that blockbuster bestselling book, The Anxious Generation.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm.
- MRMel Robbins
And his research also became some of the foundational research in the big landmark settlement cases. He came on our podcast and said, after doing all this research, where a lot of the research and a lot of the attention was on how social media apa- impacts girls and women-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- 38:49 – 41:44
How to Support Your Partner’s Growth
- SRSawyer Robbins
How do you encourage your partner to get outside of their comfort zone?
- MRMel Robbins
Well, why do you want them to get out of their comfort zone?
- SRSawyer Robbins
Because I know that a lot of growth can come by trying new experiences-
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm
- SRSawyer Robbins
... and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. In my own experience and in my own life-
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah
- SRSawyer Robbins
... that is the best way I have learned how to grow.
- MRMel Robbins
Yes.
- SRSawyer Robbins
And I have had some of the best experiences of my entire life by pushing myself out of my comfort zone, but I don't know how to properly push my partner-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay
- SRSawyer Robbins
... or motivate my partner, or ask my partner to push them out of their comfort zone without them feeling attacked.
- MRMel Robbins
It is important when you say, "Push someone out of their comfort zone," to first honor who you're dealing with.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
Because your idea of what a risk is and pushing yourself out of, is terrifying to most of us.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And learning that you need to first accept the person that's in front of you, and understand, and I love this analogy, I've been sharing it a lot, that Oprah Winfrey learned from Pastor T.D. Jakes, that there are 10 gallon people and there are pint-sized people. There are people who need 10 gallons of love, attention, risk, adventure, growth, deep conversations. And then there are pint-sized people who only want a pint-sized of risk, and growth, and deep conversations. And it doesn't mean that 10 gallon people are better than pint-sized people, or pint-sized people are better than 10 gallon people. We're all just a little bit different.
- SRSawyer Robbins
But can 10 gallon people only be with 10 gallon people?
- MRMel Robbins
No. 10 gallon people can be very happy if they recognize they're with a pint-sized person, and they can lovingly accept that when a pint-sized person gives you the entire pint that they have to give or they take a pint-sized risk in your mind-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... that they have done the impossible. And learning how to celebrate and truly acknowledge when a pint-sized person takes what feels like a 10 gallon risk.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
But because you're a 10 gallon person, it just looks like a tiny, it's like, "Come on, you can do more." You just invalidated something that they did that was a big deal.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
And not celebrating the small moves on somebody that's not naturally like you, is the fastest way to shove them back in the corner and make them never take a risk again. And so, yes, you can be very happy if you stop trying to make somebody they aren't, and you celebrate-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... every small little bit of growth, even though it's not enough for you.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm. Incredible.
- MRMel Robbins
Is that helpful?
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yes, very.
- 41:44 – 44:06
How to Compromise in a Relationship
- SRSawyer Robbins
I don't want to change my last name when I get married, but my partner, who's very traditional, feels strongly that I should.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- SRSawyer Robbins
And feels they would be deeply offended if I did not change my last name. How do we navigate a disagreement where neither person wants to budge?
- MRMel Robbins
Okay. Go a layer deeper. Why does this matter? What does it mean to you if I am introduced to somebody you work with or somebody from your childhood, and I have a different last name? Like for me, I kept my name initially, I don't know why, because it was Melanie Schnabluger. [laughs]
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
Like, who keeps that name? You would've thought I would've dropped that sucker like a hot potato when I met Christopher Robbins. Um, and I just kept it, honestly, 'cause it was kind of a hassle to change everything.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
And then we had you And I remember we were booking plane tickets, and something happened with the plane changing and us getting moved to a different plane, and they separated me from you and Dad.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
You had Dad's last name, and it was the first time I thought, "Oh, wait a minute. I, I want to be a unit."
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
And so when life changed-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... I started to feel a change in my identity.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
If you are in a stalemate with your partner on something, go a layer deeper. Help me understand why this matters so much to you. Help me understand, if I'm introduced, let's just say, as Melanie Schneeberger-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... what happens for you? What does that mean? And what happens if they introduce me as Melanie Robbins? And what does that mean to you? And then you explain, "Well, I wanna keep my name because I have a huge career." Couples navigate this kind of stuff all the time. What religion are we gonna raise our kids? How about both? What name am I gonna go by? How about both? I keep my name professionally and on our marriage license and my driver's license. It's fine. You can introduce me as, you know, Mel Robbins, not Melanie Schneeberger.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
Which now seems absurd because I have not had that name for 25 years. What's the next question?
- 44:06 – 47:54
How to Build Confidence While Single
- SRSawyer Robbins
I don't feel desirable or confident in dating anymore. How do I rebuild my confidence when I feel like nobody is choosing me? Ugh.
- MRMel Robbins
It is so easy, especially in today's world, to feel like you're just reduced to a piece of meat. And this is gonna sound like the cheesiest and dumbest eye roll advice, but if nobody's choosing you, you have to make some changes in your daily habits that make you feel like you're choosing yourself. And that is a wind chime that you're probably hearing in the background, and that's a wind chime, by the way, that was given to me when our dog Amigo died. And whenever it rings like that, I feel like Amigo's saying, "Yep, that's true. That's true." So Amigo liked the cheesy advice, but it's true. This is so disheartening when you feel like nobody's choosing you, because you wonder what's wrong with you.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And there's nothing wrong with you. You have not met a person that deserves you yet. That's it. And it doesn't mean you're never gonna meet them. It means you haven't met them yet. And what I would recommend that you do during this period of time where you're still single, is what change, what habit, what hobby, what class could you take, what thing could you change that makes you feel really good about yourself? And I would highly recommend it's something physical. If you've always wanted to learn how to shuffle dance, go take a class. If you've always wanted to learn how to, like, be really good at jump roping, I see a lot of people doing that online, I'm like, "Hmm, I kinda would like to be really good at that," uh, go take a class. Stop putting your life on hold, waiting for the right person, and start filling your life now with the things that you've been putting on a shelf for when you find the one. Get in the best shape of your life. I can't tell you how important it is to understand that you change your mentality by changing your physicality, that when you move yourself physically, it changes your mindset. Physicality shifts spirituality. Physicality shifts your mentality. Physicality shifts your emotions. And that is something you can control. Getting stronger in your body. If you've never gone to a gym and you've never lifted weights, march into a gym, spend your extra money not on dating apps. Spend it hiring a trainer once or twice to work with you so that you can learn how to walk into a gym and lift weights. Physicality changes your mentality.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And something will shift. And I know it sounds dumb, and I know you don't believe it, and I know you feel beaten down by life, and I know you're tired of going to weddings and engagement parties and bachelorette parties. I know you're tired of seeing everybody else live out the dreams that you want. I am telling you, you haven't met the right person yet. You haven't met a person who deserves to be in your life. And instead of succumbing to sadness, I want you to pull up your big-girl panties, and I want you to choose a couple changes, even just one.
- SRSawyer Robbins
I love that.
- MRMel Robbins
Because the more time you spend trying to find somebody, chasing somebody, the worse you're gonna feel.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
Stop looking, and start looking to yourself. That's what I would say.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Okay.
- 47:54 – 50:03
What to Do After a Breakup
- SRSawyer Robbins
So I have a few friends who just broke up with their significant other last week, so what they are-
- MRMel Robbins
Wow
- SRSawyer Robbins
... I have sent all of them the breakup episode that you and I both did, 'cause there's so much good advice and tools-
- MRMel Robbins
Yep
- SRSawyer Robbins
... in that episode that we did-
- MRMel Robbins
Yep, yep
- SRSawyer Robbins
... right here. But right now, what's the single most important piece of advice, one piece of advice, you would give someone who's going through a breakup and feels like their entire future just fell apart?
- MRMel Robbins
You're right. Your future did just fall apart, and it was supposed to. The reason why you're breaking up is because you're not supposed to build a future with this person, and that's why the relationship ended, and it hurts because it mattered. And so the number-one piece of advice that I want to give you is to understand that you're grieving And it's okay to feel scared and uncertain, and also somewhat excited. Because everything that you've been thinking about, all of the things that you've been imagining, all of the role playing and fantasies that you have had in your mind about how this turns out, is dead, and you're now faced with a brand-new reality. And the number one piece of advice is honor that it's a big change, and that it's gonna take time. That's it.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Great.
- MRMel Robbins
And the hardest part about a breakup is not the breakup. It's tolerating the three months that come next. Even if you're the one that broke up with the person and ended the relationship, you're still grieving this future that you had, and your body is having to unlearn life with this person. Your mind is having to unlearn the fantasy that you were projecting over and over in your imagination, and it takes time. You will feel better in three months. Do not fill the next three months with a new relationship or sex with your ex, because it takes you right back to day one.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Incredible. Thank you so much.
- 50:03 – 54:49
The Secret to a Stronger Relationship
- MRMel Robbins
Sawyer, those were excellent questions about love and relationships. What's your big takeaway?
- SRSawyer Robbins
Oh. What is my big takeaway?
- MRMel Robbins
Well, I can see you're a slow processor like your father.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs] I think that my biggest takeaway, and what seems like a really big thread throughout all of your answers, even if you didn't say this, is just that communication wins every single time.
- MRMel Robbins
Terry Real, who is a very famous couples therapist, came on the Mel Robbins Podcast and said, the most important thing to remember about relationships, you can be right or you can be connected.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
But you can't be both. And every disagreement, every standoff, everything that drives you crazy, every skill that you wish your partner would learn or habit you wish they would change, is an opportunity for you to go a layer deeper than the thing on the surface and truly get connected to the person that you care about and understand what's really going on, or what is the thing that is the deeper reason why something matters to them.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And when you go and are able to get deeper beneath the surface, you will now have a deeply meaningful and lasting and supportive relationship. All that stuff you wanna ch- It's not, nothing's changing. But you can be more connected. You can truly support one another as you grow throughout your lifetimes. That's the best relationship, is a relationship where you both grow.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
You really want to be a soft landing for each other, and you're not gonna create that by feeling like you're right, and it's gotta be this way, and I'm gonna boss this person around. That, that's not gonna lead to a relationship where you're, where either one of you are happy. That's what leads to people's drinking problems and cheating, and-
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm
- MRMel Robbins
... like, the passive-aggressive behavior and feeling like you're living on different planets.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
It really comes down to, you can be right or connected. And when you look at this person, even though they're, you know, wearing a pair of stained sweatpants, and they fell asleep with the remote in their hand, and the NFL game's on, and the dishes are in the sink, can you still look at them and be like, "You're still my favorite person. I wish you'd lose a few pounds, but you're still my favorite person" [laughs] If you can say that, you have a winner.
- SRSawyer Robbins
[laughs]
- MRMel Robbins
You did a great job.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Thanks.
- MRMel Robbins
I love you.
- SRSawyer Robbins
I love you too.
- MRMel Robbins
I'm so proud of you.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Thanks, Mom.
- MRMel Robbins
I love working with you.
- SRSawyer Robbins
I love working with you too. Thank you for being so vulnerable and answering all these questions.
- MRMel Robbins
Well, thank you for doing all this research. And I also wanna thank you. Thank you for being here with us. Let me know if you liked this format.
- SRSawyer Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
Because I wanna d- answer your questions. I wanna know what you and the people in your life, particularly mother-daughter stuff, particularly parent-child stuff, sibling stuff. Um, I would love to do more casual episodes like this, where you can participate. And if you're wondering, "How do you ask a question?" Get on the newsletter list. Just go to melrobbins.com/newsletter. There are more than two million people a week that read it. It's free, and it's really hilarious and entertaining, and I think you're gonna love it too. Um, but that's it. I just appreciate you, I love you, and I love you too, Soy. And in case no one else tells you this today, I wanted to be sure to tell you as your friend, that I do love you, and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. And I hope that something that you heard today gives you something to do or a different way to think about a relationship in your life. Because when your relationships are just cooking, and you feel more connected to the people that you care about, boy, does your life get better, and I really want that for you. All righty, and thank you for watching all the way to the end here on YouTube. I love being here with you. I cannot wait to read all of your comments, and thank you for hitting subscribe. If that's lit up like a Christmas tree, please hit subscribe. It's the best way to say, "Thank you, Mel. Thank you for putting out The Mel Robbins Podcast and making it available for free here on YouTube." Speaking of YouTube, I know you wanna watch another episode. You're gonna love this one, and I'm gonna welcome you in the moment you hit play.
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