The Mel Robbins PodcastWant to Be Happier Right Now? Don’t Make This Mistake (New Surprising Science)
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Intro
- MRMel Robbins
(ticking sound) You're about to hear one of the most validating, important, and impactful interviews I've ever done on this podcast, period. Dr. Judith Joseph.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
This idea of what we thought happiness was is just not possible. It's not attainable. That's why people feel unsatisfied. That's why they feel like they can't reach it. How do we increase the points of joy today?
- MRMel Robbins
Here we go. Let's take the quiz. There's a different way to live, and you're here to say there is? (ticking sound) Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. I am so excited that you're hanging out with me today, and I also want to thank you for taking the time to choose to listen to something that could help you improve your life. I think that is super cool. Whether you're a longtime listener or you are brand new, I wanna welcome you. You are now part of the Mel Robbins podcast family. We are a super cool, smart, and empowered group of people, and you are a huge part of it, so thank you. I'm Mel Robbins. I'm a New York Times best-selling author and one of the world's leading experts on confidence and motivation. I am on a mission to inspire you, to empower you, and to give you tools and the expert resources that you need and deserve to help you create a better life. Now, over the past month, we have been talking non-stop about different ways that you can make this year the best year of your life, and I know you've been loving these episodes because we've been covering everything from how do you get clear on what you actually want and why you want it? How do you create a plan to go for it and to actually achieve what you want? And a big part of this being one of the best years of your life is you allowing it to be, you letting happiness in, because I really do want you to not only crush it in life and achieve your big goals, but I don't want you to do that as an empty person. I want you to be able to experience joy and to feel fulfilled as you're going for it. Just a couple weeks ago, you and I talked all about how you are blocking your happiness. I talked and shared about how I had been doing it, how I've stopped doing it, and I'll put a link in the show notes to that episode in case you missed it, because everybody that listened to it gobbled that up. I mean, you shared that. You wrote in, "I'm so glad it made a huge difference." And so today, this was my plan. I was planning that we were going to go even deeper on the topic of happiness and talk all about the research and science with this renowned researcher. Well, I sat down, and we were starting the conversation, and I'm gonna warn you, holy smokes, I- we were, like, two minutes in and (whoosh) the conversation went in a direction that I was not expecting. And I'm gonna tell you something, I am so happy it did because you're about to hear one of the most validating, important, and impactful interviews I've ever done on this podcast, period. You are gonna feel so seen and understood. You're gonna understand why feeling fulfilled and just happy, happy, happy has eluded you, and most importantly, you will be left in action. I cannot wait for you to spend time with the incredible Dr. Judith Joseph. Let me tell you about her. She is a renowned double board-certified psychiatrist. She earned her medical degree, her MBA, and did her residency all at Columbia, where she is also the chairwoman of the Women in Medicine Board. She also did a medical fellowship at NYU, where she's been a professor for the last decade. Just recently, she received a US Congress and House of Representatives Proclamation Award for her social media advocacy and mental health research. And here's the thing that I find to be so cool about Dr. Judith Joseph. She's a pioneering researcher. She's the founder and principal investigator of a research institute that she created, Manhattan Behavioral Medicine, where she has conducted over 60 clinical research trials with her all-female medical team. Dr. Judith is here with not only the research, but the recommendations, the simple things that you can start doing literally in the middle of this podcast with me and with Dr. Judith to start feeling like yourself again. So thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing this. Let's jump right in. Hey, we're gonna get to this episode in just a second. I cannot wait to introduce you to Dr. Judith Joseph. This is amazing. But first, please, have you subscribed to our channel? It makes a huge difference. It allows me to bring you a brand-new video every single day. You're gonna love this one, so just take a moment and subscribe. Did you do it? Awesome. Thank you so much. Now let's jump into the episode. Dr. Judith Joseph, I am so happy you are here. Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming and spending time with me.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
- MRMel Robbins
I am too. And you know, I want to jump right in. So much of your research and your work is with what I guess society would call highly successful, high-functioning people. And on the outside, you could check all the boxes in terms of what society tells us to measure, from the income, to the family life, to the cars that they drive, to the titles that they have, and yet you are finding some pretty incredible insights. I recently saw you say something that surprised me. You said that we need to throw
- 5:28 – 8:55
Why you need to throw your idea of what happiness is out the window.
- MRMel Robbins
our idea of happiness out the window, and I thought, "Dr. Judith, what has gotten into-"
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) .
- MRMel Robbins
"You are, like, the smiliest, most joyful person I..." What do you mean throw happiness out the window?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, in my practice and in the research that I'm doing, I'm seeing that this idea of what we thought happiness was is just not possible. It's not attainable. People are walking around feeling blah or meh, or just feeling numb, and then to give them this, like, impossible idea of happiness to then go ahead and try to obtain, it's just not right. It's unattainable.
- MRMel Robbins
And when you say this impossible idea of happiness, is it the kind of...I don't know, popular culture notion that happiness is about doing more, it's about achieving something, it's about go, go, go, and all of us are just freaking exhausted. Is that, is that what you're talking about?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Happiness is not a state. It's about increasing the points, the moments of joy. It's about becoming happier and not being happy. So there are small things you can do every day to increase the points of joy in your life to add up to being happier. It's not just one moment in time. It's not this picture-perfect ideal because that is impossible to reach, and that's why people feel unsatisfied. That's why they feel like they can't reach it. And so when you shift the way you think about happiness as like, okay, there are points of joy today that I could have or not have-
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... versus I need to be happy today, it's such a mind-blowing shift, and it's attainable when you think about it as points of joy.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay. So I gotta get my mind (laughs) to be on the same level as Dr. Judith here. So maybe I should ask you this. As a researcher, how do you even describe happiness? Like if, if you were talking, let's say, to your seven-year-old, right, how would you explain happiness to your daughter?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It's interesting because you don't have to teach children how to play. It just seems as if they naturally know how to play. You put a... Just do an experiment. You're gonna be a researcher with me. Have a toddler, give them a box. They will find ways to enjoy that box. They may put it in their mouth. They may, you know, uh, toss it in their hands. They may-
- MRMel Robbins
Yep.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... throw it to someone else. They may look at it. They may inspect it. They're using their senses to explore a box, something that most of us just discard.
- MRMel Robbins
Yep.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Along what line, at what point do we lose the ability to play? And, you know, after a certain while, seeing children and adults in my practice, I'll have a 50-year-old man sit on my couch, and then I look at him like a five-year-old. I'm like, "At what point does, did this five-year-old stop playing?" And then you trace back to their childhood. You trace back to their trauma. And at some point, they stopped prioritizing fun, joy, play. They just stopped. And they don't know, so it's my job to figure out where did they lose that.
- MRMel Robbins
Hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And I'm seeing this lack of feeling and lack of validation and lack of processing in our society. If we don't know how we feel, how can we identify what to do with this feeling, this, this emotion? How do we trace back to the thought, to the experience that led to this present state? So because of a lack of feeling and processing, I'm learning that this is la- leading to a lack of joy, which I have helped my patients to name as anhedonia.
- MRMel Robbins
Oh, wait, okay, hold on. You just, anhedonia?
- 8:55 – 11:04
What is anhedonia, and what are the signs you are struggling with it?
- MRMel Robbins
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
A- a- ana- How do you... What?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Say it with me.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
An-
- MRMel Robbins
An-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... -hed-
- MRMel Robbins
... -hed-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... -donia.
- MRMel Robbins
... -donia. Anhedonia.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes.
- MRMel Robbins
Did I say it?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
An- Pe- Perfect.
- MRMel Robbins
What the hell is anhedonia? See, I'm gonna do, "Huh?" 'Cause I... (laughs) I'm already laughing at myself.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"An" is a lack of. "Hedon" is hedonism or joy, pleasure.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So lack of joy, anhedonia.
- MRMel Robbins
I've never heard this word. What I- Like, is this actually a clinical term?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It is. It's a very old medical term, and it's throughout the research, but it's not in the typical vocabulary. I'm trying to change that.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
I educate my patients that anhedonia is something that we all, at some point, probably experience, but not in long stretches. And if you ever think back to a time in life where you were really busy and you weren't really processing what w- what you were going through, maybe you were feeling meh or blah, uh, or people ask, "How are you doing?" "I'm okay," but you really felt like nothing.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Guess what? That's anhedonia.
- MRMel Robbins
So I'm just gonna speak on behalf of, I think, the vast majority of people who are listening right now, who basically are going through life feeling a little empty inside. And you've already kind of woven through a number of topics. And when I hear you describe that feeling of, "Well, I don't really know how I'm feeling, I'm sort of checked out, I'm going through the motions, I feel like, ugh, I'm not really connected to anything right now," a lot of people have the experience of going, "There's a different way to live? And you're here to say there is?"
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
There is. I think a lot of people don't even recognize what that is. There's something called affect labeling. If you name the way you feel-
- MRMel Robbins
Uh-huh.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... you're less stressed. I mentioned I treat children, some as young as four, and adults, some as old as 90. And the interesting thing is that when you're seeing a child in preschool, if you walk into any preschool or kindergarten, you'll see a face chart. You'll see a sign that says-
- MRMel Robbins
Hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... "This is happy. This is sad. This is angry. This is hurt." Children
- 11:04 – 18:24
The connection between labeling feelings and overall happiness.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
are taught the importance of labeling the feeling. Why? Because let's say a child feels hurt. They know, "Oh, my, my tummy hurts."
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"That means I have to go to the bathroom. If I don't go to the bathroom, I'm gonna, like, wet my pants," right?
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You don't want the kid wetting the pants.
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
At some point in adulthood, we stop training adults to identify and label their feelings. Maybe it's because of the state of society. I have this biopsychosocial theory about anhedonia.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay, now, wh- that was a whole lot of words.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
Bio... What wa- what was it? Biosocial...
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Biopsychosocial.
- MRMel Robbins
What does that mean?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
In medical school, you learn that all disease models or symptoms-
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... have a bio- psychosocial component. Bios is, represents your body-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... your biology. So for example, we went through a pandemic. Who knows how the virus affected our brains? Some, some numbers say that 70% of us got infected. Uh, also there are genetic risk factors in the bio, right? Some of us have a family history of mental health conditions.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Uh, you know, the food that we eat. There's a lot of growing literature in nutritional psychiatry that the foods are causing inflammation, and the environment, and so forth. So that's the bio-... part of the biopsychosocial model.
- MRMel Robbins
Yep.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
The psychological component, this is interesting because in our society, tr- trauma is not processed and people have a way of, kind of like labeling victims as being the blame for-
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... the trauma.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Uh, the just world theory that we all kind of harbor in our brains that-
- MRMel Robbins
What is the just world theory?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people. So you may read these terrible stories of a woman running through the park, and you're like, "What was she doing in the park that night? She shouldn't have been attacked." But in our minds we think, "Well, if she did this, if she did that, she should have been okay," but it's just not the case. Bad things happen to good people, and they happened to them. It didn't... it wasn't their fault. But in our society, we label trauma as a blaming thing, a shame thing.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So it really deters people from talking about their feelings, talking about their pain.
- MRMel Robbins
It's true.
- 18:24 – 23:52
Why you may be forgetting your COVID pandemic memories.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
about it, the pandemic had such uncertainty financially. A lot of us, especially entrepreneurs, they didn't want to lose their jobs, their businesses, their babies, right? That's... Businesses are their babies, so what do they do? "Well, we got, we got to keep working, we got to keep working." Many entrepreneurs are still in fight or flight mode from the pandemic. The same for corporations, right? People didn't know if they were going to keep their jobs, so what do they do? Work, came home... And was supposed to only stay home for a little bit. Work is in the home indefinitely now.
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, like, our boundaries are totally skewed. We're working more than ever. Children, the same thing. A lot of them can't catch up because of the delays that happened in the education system. Teachers are doing their best, but children are feeling this pressure to, like, catch up, right? We c- again, we, we all can't catch our breath. The trauma ocean is just hitting us wave after wave, and if we don't sit still, if we don't process the trauma, if we continue using these other things to soothe in excess, we're not going to be able to recover. We have to take the time to feel.
- MRMel Robbins
I want to make sure that you listening, eh, that you're hearing what Dr. Judith is saying, because I think she is 1,000 freaking percent correct, and I'm so glad you're the one saying it because you have the credentials, and you have the research, and you have, um, the awards, and all of it to basically say, "Listen up. The reason why you feel empty and numb and burnt out is because you are struggling with this condition that was created by three to four years of sustained uncertainty, the likes of which a human being is not designed to process." You know, I'll just share a little bit because when you and I last met, it was when I was hosting a daytime talk show.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And it was just after your... one of your last appearances that COVID-19 was found at CBS Broadcast Center. They evacuated the building, they summarily canceled my show. I have a payroll to make, the kids come home, and I have conveniently pushed that to the back of my mind, that period of time where I was in sheer panic about how I was gonna pay the bills, what was gonna happen, how I was going to keep healthcare going for people, what was gonna happen to my kids, and every single one of us has that story. And so I agree with you. I also agree, and I think it's very important for you listening to hear, that if you worked for somebody, there was a anxiety response to what was happening, and there was a, a time where your work life was okay and manageable, and then all of a sudden you found yourself on a never-ending Zoom parade where you were constantly online, the kids were at your feet. And I think it's important and it's great that you're talking about it because our instinct in life is to basically pull up our girl... our big girl pants and move on. Like, "We got through that. We're not talking about it." I hate that term "the new normal" because it basically means, and what you're saying and what you're seeing from a research perspective and a clinical perspective, is that this has impacted your ability to access joy. This is why you feel that you're just, "Ugh," or you're empty, and that's why you're having trouble sleeping. That's why you just kind of want to get on with it. That's why nothing quite feels right, because it hasn't gone back to normal because you haven't reset your body back to normal. And are you also saying, though, that there's something we can do, and that we should do, and that it will help both process all of the crazy stuff that we all just survived and that we're not talking about because we want to forget about it, and that it will help us access joy and happiness again?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
I'm so grateful you said that so beautifully. I mean, you're so in tune and so connected to your, your, your listeners. What you just did was validated them. You named what they were going through, right? We called it affect labeling, naming how you feel. Because when you know what it is-
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... you're less afraid.
- MRMel Robbins
That's true.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
As humans, we need to know what it is. You, you validated everyone and said, "This is what you're feeling." The other thing that you did so beautifully was you said, "I was in a haze, I don't remember." I can't tell you how many times I've heard that from my patients, "2020 was a blur." Even my, my lab team were like, "W- what were we doing in 2020?" Sometimes we go through, like, the, the phone and we look at pictures. "We were on the roof drinking tequila?"
- MRMel Robbins
(laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) Like... 'Cause sometimes-
- MRMel Robbins
That's what researchers do after-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... sometimes, sometimes-
- MRMel Robbins
... a big study.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... we needed something.
- MRMel Robbins
(laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
A little something. Um, but like, yeah, it's like we don't remember things, right? Like, that's a symptom of trauma, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
People forget huge parts of their lives. So don't be surprised, don't knock yourself if you don't even remember parts of 2020. That's a trauma response, right? People were also awarded. They were rewarded and awarded for pushing through. So, again-
- MRMel Robbins
How so?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So your corporate... Anhedonia-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... is contagious. It is contagious. So,
- 23:52 – 30:24
Is secondhand stress really possible?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
like, if... Y- you ever heard the saying, "The fish rots at the head"?
- MRMel Robbins
No, but that's disgusting.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
And... (laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Maybe it's a snake. But there's a saying.
- MRMel Robbins
Well, I'll... I'll... I believe you.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
I believe you.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, if a corporation is anxious, like you said-
- MRMel Robbins
Yes, top down.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... and the boss is anxious and they're like, "Oh my gosh, we're all gonna, like... we're gonna lose everything." Well, that gets passed down, right? It's trickle down. Everyone else is anxious, everyone's working. And if the heads have not relaxed, if they haven't stopped that, or if they've gotten wise and they're like, "You know, we're making money. Let's keep this fair going."... it's never going to stop. In fact, you get rewarded with the more work and the mor- and the less you feel.
- MRMel Robbins
Yes. And I think this has snuck up on people, and so I'm telling... I want to tell you as you're listening to Dr. Judith, she's not joking that this crept up on you, and if you feel like you can't get back to yourself, if you feel like you can never catch a break from work, even when you're not working you're thinking about it, you can't find that off switch so that you can drop into those points of joy that you don't even probably remember because that was four years ago and you've been running a hundred mile- miles an hour since, this is an opportunity to say, "Yeah, that happened to me." (swoosh) Now, we need to hear a short word from our sponsors because they allow me to bring all of this expert advice to you at zero cost, so stay with us. Welcome back, it's Mel, and we're talking about joy, or actually we're talking about the lack of joy and why so many of us are feeling that right now, with the remarkable Dr. Judith Joseph. And we were just about to jump into why it is so hard to identify this as the core issue that we're struggling with. (swoosh) And I would love for you to talk a little bit about what you're seeing both as a psychiatrist and a researcher.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Here's the thing, doctors and healthcare providers, they don't code something unless it causes impairment. So if you go into the doctor and you're like, "I just feel kind of blah and uh," they're going to be like, "Well are you working?" "Yes." "Are you taking care of your family at home?" "Yes." "Is anyone really complaining?" "No." "Okay, well I'll see you n- next year." Right? It's like, not like digging deeper, like, "Something's off, like I just feel like any minute now something's gonna happen, I can't put my finger on it," or I feel like, "Ugh, nothing gives me pleasure." If, uh, you go to a doctor with that they're going to be like, "Oh, well, I don't... You know, uh, your function's okay. Y- you know, you're good."
- MRMel Robbins
I think I just got what your research is about. So you've identified the symptom and how it appears on the surface, which any one of us that are just going through life would describe as, "I feel blah. I feel empty. I feel a little lost. I feel like I'm on autopilot." You have grabbed onto this thing that we may describe casually to somebody, but it is a low ache inside of your soul basically-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes.
- MRMel Robbins
... where you aren't feeling a lot, you're kind of in survival mode, and yet you're still getting it done, and you've pulled on that thread in people who are functioning and pushing through and getting it done, and you have found a very deep connection, that on the surface when you say to yourself, which I think if you're honest with yourself everybody is suffering from a level of this.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Right, yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
Unless you have truly taken your mental health and your nervous system and processing what we all just went through, you are probably feeling this, and you have pulled on that thread and gone all the way down to say, "Holy smokes, this is somebody who's turned off feelings, and this is somebody who has blocked their access to joy and happiness, and more chasing and trying to get the Lamborghini or more Instagram followers or to lose weight or to find a person to date, all that shit on the outside is never gonna impact this." And that's why you say you have to, especially right now, you have to throw the definition of what happiness is out the damn window, because I think we are all, when you say "happiness," what that means to me is... Like most of us are chasing it, right? We think more money will create that feeling. We think losing the weight will create that feeling. And I'd love to just go and start talking about terms, because we all want what you're talking about. We all want to get rid of the emptiness. I want everybody listening to feel validated, like, "This really happened, it really impacted you, and it's still impacting you."
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
"And you know it, but people are not talking about it." And this is a deep, well-researched, psychologically validated, I don't even know if that's a term, but it is real. And so if we're going to throw happiness as we think about it... And how do most people that walk into your practice, how do most people think about happiness in the wrong way?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So I've developed this anhedonia rating scale. Anyone can take it. It's on my website.
- MRMel Robbins
You are such a scientist.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
I love this. There is a scale for this.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Hey, there's points, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Yes.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You can't tell people to measure it and then they-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... run away. So if you fill out the, uh, rating scale, you'll see that there, it's made up of points of joy. Now, there have been anhedonia rating scales for decades.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- 30:24 – 31:12
The mistakes you might be making if you feel like joy is out of reach or not a priority anymore.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
thing happens, you're still not happy, so then it's another goal, it's another thing.... being happier in the day is what matters. One thing we all have in common is that tomorrow is not promised, right? We all have that in common. So, how do we increase the points of joy today?
- MRMel Robbins
And I understand that you have a quiz that you're gonna, that you can run me through?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes. (laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
To determine the level to which you have anhedonia, and that this is what you're really struggling with, which is the inability to find small points of joy in your day?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Absolutely.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, it has some modern days-
- MRMel Robbins
Can you gi- can you give me the quiz?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) I can.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay. Everybody listen up. Here we go. Let's take the quiz.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It's very, very basic, and it's agree
- 31:12 – 35:32
The quiz Mel took to reflect on her symptoms of high-functioning depression: https://www.drjudithjoseph.com/anhedoniaquiz
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
or disagree.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"I often make delayed future happiness statements such as, 'When I get this X, I'll finally be happy.'" So, it could be anything.
- MRMel Robbins
Yes.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Okay.
- MRMel Robbins
I agree.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"I find it hard to enjoy resting or taking breaks because I feel restless and empty when I'm not busy."
- MRMel Robbins
100% agree. (laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"I rarely take the time to savor meals."
- MRMel Robbins
By that do you mean I stand up-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, I- (laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
... and I eat while I'm talking? Is that what you're referring to?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
I've done a bunch of TikToks on people, like, shoveling, shoving food in their mouths, and-
- MRMel Robbins
Yes. Yeah, or working-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
... and typing-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yeah.
- MRMel Robbins
... as I'm-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
That's not savoring.
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah. My daughter just yelled at me-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
... for doing that the other day, and then said, "That's probably why you feel bloated, mom." Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"I rarely enjoy reading for leisure."
- MRMel Robbins
I enjoy it, but I never do it.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
That's... Tha- a lot of people say that. A lot of people say that. "When I take naps, I don't feel refreshed."
- MRMel Robbins
Um, I don't take naps because when I wake up, I feel anxious, like I missed something. I don't like napping.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
"When I watch TV or stream movies, I'm not engaged in the program."
- MRMel Robbins
I agree, 'cause I typically do not follow my own advice, and I'm scrolling while I'm watching.
- 35:32 – 42:04
A psychiatrist's ONE recommendation for anyone who wants more daily enjoyment in life.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
an entrepreneur. I have my lab. I have families that depend on me. My own family depends on me, you know? I was work, work, work, work, working, and then after a while, it was just like, "Uh, bleh." Things that used to excite me didn't excite me anymore. So, the way to get back into your body and a way to feel again, feel the feels, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Is to focus on those simple pleasures in life, not that big grand scheme of, like, you know, this idea of happiness. But today, how do we increase the points of joy? Because when we add them all together, overall, you feel happier, right? Happy out the window, picture of happy out the window, happier overall is what we're trying to achieve.
- MRMel Robbins
That makes all the sense in the world. And the first thing that I recognize that I think probably everybody recognizing that was saying, "I agree, I agree," or thinking in their own mind as you were going through the questions, is the first thing that comes to mind, just being honest, is, "But I can't slow down to do those things."
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
... and I feel like that happened during the pandemic. I feel as though, in the last four years, I was walking on a treadmill, and all of a sudden, I don't know who the hell came by, and all of a sudden, tap, tap, tap, took me from walking at 2.5 miles per hour, and next thing you know, I'm in a valet jog. Like, you know, when somebody goes to get your car, and they go to jog, and they get it. And now, I'm in a sprint, and I want to slow down.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, you went through a trauma, you know? Like, your show shut down, then you were on the go, and then a whole bunch of things happened. Like, I don't know your personal life, but if you don't take the time to process all those traumas, then you're just using everything else to soothe. And it's a distraction. It'll never be enough, 'cause you're not getting to processing that trauma. You're not feeling the feels. And one simple thing everyone can do, right? Let's pick one thing on here that I can do right now, and- and- and demonstrate with you. Just even with a gl- a cup of water.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Usually, I like to use glass, because-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay, we- we- we're cheap here. We got plastic.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) We're pretending. (laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
They don't trust me, because they think I'm gonna break it.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
No, I'm just kidding. Do you want glass?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
No, that's okay.
- MRMel Robbins
We'll get glass.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Imagine it's glass, right?
- MRMel Robbins
We have your glass. Do you want glass?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
I think you'll feel better.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Sure, yes.
- MRMel Robbins
She would like glass. Should I have glass?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay, we're gonna get glass. So, how many people... As we get the glasses-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Uh-huh.
- MRMel Robbins
... how many people would you say, if you were to just throw out a percentage based on your research, how many people are struggling with anhedonia?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It's hard-
- MRMel Robbins
Oh, thank you.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It's hard to say, because it's hard to measure it.
- MRMel Robbins
Yep.
- 42:04 – 47:37
What the 5-4-3-2-1 grounding technique is and why you need to try it tomorrow.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
it's a grounding technique, and what we described was trauma.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And your viewers, your listeners, they are very familiar with five, four, three, two, one-
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... already, right? The countdown.
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, there's something called the five, four, three, two, one grounding method.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And when you list five things that you see, four things that you feel, three things that you hear, two things you could smell, and one thing you can taste, and if you did one minute of those things, that's 15 minutes. It sounds like, oh, easy breth-... No, it's very difficult for people who are on autopilot-... to take 15 minutes to do anything.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, let me just describe one minute-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... right, of all those things.
- MRMel Robbins
Let's do it.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
On, on the anhedonia scale, we have different things like tasting, seeing. They're all stimulating the senses. Toddlers, you know, when, when they are young, we encourage them to explore their environment, and that's, and they just enjoy it so much, and you see them rolling around with this garbage, and they're putting it in their mouth, and they're really having joy, because they're feeling, they're really in the moment. So, we, we all drink water.
- MRMel Robbins
Yep. Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And-
- MRMel Robbins
We got a cup here.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And in the morning, this is what I do. It's my one minute of s- grounding myself, and, and enjoying something very simple, 'cause I'm increasing that point of joy.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, I'm going to look at it, and I see, I'm describing what I, what I see.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Right? I'm looking at that and saying it's, it's clear. I see my pink nail polish. I love it. Um, I, you know, you can describe things in your environment that you're seeing. I see you. You have beautiful blonde hair. Uh, there's a statue right there. There's a beautiful flower behind you. It's yellow. It's green. Uh, so I'm describing things that I see, but really, with the act of drinking the water, you want to describe what you're seeing.
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So, I see this glass, and I see the water shining. Um, and I'm going to really be present in the moment. As I hold the glass, I'm going to describe what I'm feeling in my hand. It's, uh, it's, it's cold. It's cool on some points. It's hard, and, uh, I'm listening to my fingernails tap on it. I like the sound of that ASMR right there. And then, it feels cool on my tongue, and actually, I was really thirsty, so that felt really good going down. (laughs) Some water has a minerally taste. This one's very fresh. There's no smell to it, but you can do this with a beverage that smells. And I'm really paying attention to how it feels going down my throat. I'm going to take another sip. And I'm, I'm looking at the glass, and I'm, you know, trying to be present in the moment, but I really enjoyed that sip of water. Like, I really fully enjoyed it. How many times do we enjoy just a sip? So, we're adding up all the sips, the points of joy in life. So, take the time. Five things that you saw this morning. For me, I flew here from New York. I looked at the sun, sun rising. I saw the beautiful, like, uh, New York City skyline. I like the waterfront here in Boston. You know, there were things that I saw.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
I touched my loved ones, because when you touch people, it releases oxytocin. I wear this furry jacket, and I love to feel it. You know, like, you can really enjoy the senses if you took the time. And it sounds loosey-goosey and, like, very granola, but the science shows that if we can really increase those points of joy in a day, overall we'll feel happier, instead of chasing this idea of happy. Tomorrow's not promised.
- MRMel Robbins
You know, when you feel this burnt out, you kind of hear that and you go, "Oh, for God's sakes, Dr. Judy, seriously? You're telling me to drink water?" And I say that because I want to represent the person who's listening, who can't quite comprehend how savoring a glass of water like that and slowing yourself down could possibly make a dent into this feeling of meh or emptiness. And so, how does that actually create more meaning and happiness in your life overall if you are adding up small moments? Which, if I had to, like, really pull it apart, where you are stopping and you are getting out of your racing thoughts, and you are dropping into your body, and you are forcing yourself to come into the present moment by activating all five senses.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
It's the five-second rule, right? The thought, feelings, behavior triangle in cognitive behavioral therapy.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- 47:37 – 55:19
The connection between slowing down and increased meaning and happiness.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
living, if you can increase those moments, overall you'll, you'll do better. If you sit down to have a meal, you may not be able to sit and be like, "Oh, I'm eating my delicious salad." Just for one minute of that meal, just take it in. Say, "Oh, there are, like, mushrooms in here. The corn tastes like this. Oh, this is crispy. Oh, I like this chipotle kinda sauce," you know? One minute. And see, compare. Do your own little experiment. Be a little scientist. Compare how you felt in that one minute to the five minutes where you're g- like, trying to shove it in-
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... before your next meeting, right? So, you really have to challenge yourself and say, "Do I really wanna increase my points of joy? Then let me try this." Take the test, then start building up. You may not be able to do 15 minutes. Oh, it's very, very difficult for even the most determined person.
- MRMel Robbins
I'm just gonna say there's no way I can do that.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yeah, there's no way. (laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
I'm gonna go right on the record and say I can sit and watch the sunset.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
My dog watches-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Right.
- MRMel Robbins
... the sunset every night up in Vermont. I could sit with him for a minute, two maybe, just take it in. I want to see if I can translate what's happening, because I believe that this matters.... I am at a moment where I am particularly burnt out.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
And I'm aware of it. Like, I feel that kind of hollowness.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
That, and, you know, I can have fun and, uh, but it's kind of lingering. And if I really try to absorb what you're saying, I think what you're saying is that if you are struggling with this sense of blah or emptiness, it is because your feelings are very just kind of turned off. They're very, um, when a sh- knife isn't sharp, what is it? Dull.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
They're muted.
- MRMel Robbins
They're very dull.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
They're muted.
- MRMel Robbins
Your feelings are muted, right?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm.
- MRMel Robbins
You're up in your head. Your feelings are muted. You're going through the motions. And every one of these moments, whether it is stroking your partner's back, or hugging your dog, or stopping to ri- watch the sunrise, or taking a minute to really savor that glass of water through all five senses, you are forcing your feelings to come back online. And that if you do that throughout the day, whether it's taking a bite of your salad at lunch and truly chewing it, or it is putting the phone down and just enjoying the series that you're watching and noticing how you feel as you do, hugging your children and allowing yourself to feel that, that by bringing your feelings back online, you are all day long fighting the anhedonia, and you are retraining your feelings to come back. You're basically saying it's safe to feel again.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Yes.
- MRMel Robbins
Is that, is that what you're... Is that why this works?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You're validating. You're validating yourself. When you don't feel, you're gaslighting yourself.
- MRMel Robbins
What does that mean?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
What do you mean you're gaslighting yourself when you don't feel?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You're telling yourself that, "It's okay. You don't have to think about what's really going on inside. Just push through and everything will be okay." But it's not okay. If it was okay, you'd feel okay. (laughs) But you feel meh.
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You feel blah.
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- 55:19 – 58:17
The ONE thing as a psychiatrist Dr. Joseph will NEVER do to keep joy and happiness in her life?
- MRMel Robbins
to feel?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You know, it's, it's interesting because as a psychiatrist for 15 years I've had these, like, five-year blocks, right? The first five years I was a psychiatry resident, you know, treating, learning how to treat adults. Then a fellow learning how to treat children. So, that was after a huge life change when I switched out of anesthesiology into psychiatry, so I was just, like, trying to figure things out.
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Then the next five years, I was starting a business, starting a lab, seeing patients, a new, a new wife, a new mom, so it was, like, a lot of news. And then the last five years navigating life as a single mother, navigating life without a business partner, like, doing it all on my own but with my team. I've just seen so many things, so when I- when you say never, wow, there's so many things. (laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
Well, give 'em all.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
We'll take 'em all.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
First of all, never say never. If you had asked me-
- MRMel Robbins
Wait. Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) If you asked me when I was a medical student, "Are you gonna be a psychiatrist?" I was like, "I'm not working with crazy people."
- MRMel Robbins
(laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) I came to medical school to be a real doctor, you know, 'cause I was raised by Caribbean American parents, like the immigrant mentality, like, you gotta be a real doctor. You're the first doctor in the family, you gotta be the real doctor. So I would've never thought psychiatry. Thank God I found psychiatry. It has saved me, like-
- MRMel Robbins
How?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Oh my goodness, in so many ways. I look at people and relationships so differently based on what I've learned. Uh, like atta- I see attachment theory everywhere I turn, you know? (laughs) Like, so it's just a- And it's really cau- really, um, shifted the way that I approach life-
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... and how I approach the idea of happiness, right? Um, so I, I truly am grateful for it. So never say never. Uh, no is not negative because at one point I was a yes girl. "Yes, I'll do that. Yes, I'll take that study. Yes, I'll do..." I mean, there's no award for that, and you can't take those accolades to the grave, right? So, no is not, not a negative. New sometimes feels very unnatural, but new can be good. So don't be afraid of change, right? Normal is not real, so we're learning that neurodivergence, neurodiversity is a thing. We're all... We've all got something, you know? We may not have a DSM-5 diagnosis, but we have something. We all have attachment-
- MRMel Robbins
Right.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... um, you know, issues and so forth, or like attachment styles. We all have something about us, right? And, you know, like, it's really important to acknowledge that what is considered normal, you know, just is, just throw it out the window. Um, and you know, like, I think that what, what I said about tomorrow not being promised, like, the last thing is, like, now. Like, what do you want now, right? Instead of thinking, "What do I want down the road?" What do I want now? What do I want today? Tomorrow is not promised. How do I improve my points of joy today? If you're listening, figure one of those things out that I read out on the Anhedonia Scale. Find one of those things and enjoy it today. Tomorrow is not promised.
- MRMel Robbins
So are all the things on the quiz and the scale points of joy?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
They are. They're points, they're things that you are, are the simple
- 58:17 – 1:01:42
The small ways to insert joy into your life to be more successful.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
things in life. And on the SHAPS that I mentioned, the older scale, there were some things that weren't there that I have on mine-
- MRMel Robbins
Uh-huh.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... that's a modified version. But I wanted to bring it into present day, like what are the modern-day joys? So if you're not taking in the simple joys today, then overall, you know, you're, like, losing points, so let's try to get some more points today.
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah, for your type A people-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
... we're gonna turn this into a competition. No, I'm just kidding. What, you know, as a, as a practicing psychiatrist and researcher, what are the top ways that people can bring more joy into their daily life, like the simple things that you would recommend to somebody?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
I look at the biopsychosocial model, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Biology, like, your body. So you can eat things that are proven to boost your mood.
- MRMel Robbins
Like what?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Green vegetables, uh, omega-3 fatty acid foods like certain fish, berries a- that are antioxidants, dark chocolate. You know, there's something in these food groups for everyone. Figure out what it is and just eat more of it, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Um, so and then the biological, of course, like try to keep toxins out of your body. Um, certain things you can't control, you can't control your, your genetics and certain, um, disease states, but you can take care of your physical health, right? Because if you're- have worsened physical health, you have worsened mental health. The psychological component, we talked heavily about trauma, right? And other people don't just have this. They have other things. Some people have, you know, uh, anxiety conditions, ADHD, and you know, really try to support those areas because your mind is so important, so precious, but validate that trauma. That's what everyone can do. They can start saying, "Listen, I went through this. There's nothing that I did. Something happened to me." Just start validating that.
- MRMel Robbins
Thank you for explaining that, because here's what I'm hoping as you listen you're getting from this conversation, that there is a direct connection between the level of happiness and joy you can access in your present life right now, that feeling of being kind of meh or burnt out or blah or whatever word you want to use, stuck, autopilot, going through the motions, exhausted, direct connection between happiness, joy, that, and the fact that you are still processing the very overwhelming experiences of the last three or four years. And for many of you, you're still in a work cycle where you're in Zoom meetings all day, you're still working on the weekends, and your phone is always on you, or you're dealing with the fallout of how it's impacted your kids, and it's very, very real. And Dr. Judith is here to validate that. She's here to say that it is a very real thing that is impacting people's happiness and ability to...... get access to these points of joy, and that the solution is very simple and it's something that you can introduce into your life right now, which is slowing down and bringing your feelings back online. And it sounds dumb- Mm-hmm. ... that that's the solution, but I know you're right, because I've experienced this in my own life. And last year, I was doing that and creating that time for myself, and in the past four months, things
- 1:01:42 – 1:03:32
What really happened when Mel stopped doing the small things that truly made her happy.
- MRMel Robbins
have been so insanely busy here at work, and with some changes, you know, in my home life, living up in Vermont, and be- like all that. I don't need to go to the details, but that I haven't- I've stopped doing all those little things that made me feel grounded and connected and alive and happy.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Happier.
- MRMel Robbins
Happier. Okay, now why did you say-
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
... happier versus happy?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
When you think of happy, there's a picture. This is happy and this is what it has to be. But happier, increase the points in a day. It's not about being happy. It's about being happier.
- MRMel Robbins
How long does this take?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
See, I'm so type A. I'm like, I want to know, like, if I start doing, like, what could somebody expect? Like, if somebody's in your practice, 'cause I really want everybody to try this.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Mm-hmm. It starts right away. The moment you start slowing down and enjoying that point of joy, that sip of water, you've already increased a point, right? It's that simple. But doing it slowly and adding up the points matters.
- MRMel Robbins
What are the simple steps for taking better care of yourself in 2024?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
So we have, like, the typical self-care, right? Like the HALTs. If you're hungry, eat. (laughs) If you're angry, do something positive to self-soothe. If you're lonely, phone a friend. If you're tired, take a rest. And I ha- I added a S to it-
- MRMel Robbins
Okay.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
... for stuck, 'cause that's what I, like, refer to anhedonia as. Sometimes you just feel stuck, like, bleh.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You know? And so address the basic self-needs. We think self-care is elaborate and, like, get your nails done, get da-da, but I've been in that chair where I'm like, "Hurry up and get my nails done. I need to go."
- MRMel Robbins
(laughs)
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
This is stressing me out, right? So a- again, we're going back to the basics. Look at a child when they're drinking their milk. They're just,
- 1:03:32 – 1:08:52
How long it will take you to be happier with Dr. Joseph’s techniques.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
like, in such joy. If we could just, like, drink our coffee the way that a child drinks their milk, how much better would our lives be? We all have the DNA and the programming to really enjoy life, but along the way, we stop learning how to. It becomes less important. We can retrain our brains. We can get back to the basics, and we can be happier.
- MRMel Robbins
Is there an age at which people stop playing and stop, like, 'cause you talked about this example of a kid with a box. Is there actually an age where this happens?
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You know, it's interesting because I think th- it de- I see it a lot across different industries. For example, I was pre-med.
- MRMel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
And so when you look at the pre-med track kids, they are just like, you're like, "Oh my goodness." Like, their future's gonna be hard. (laughs) That's anhedonia waiting to happen, right? But you know, in other fields, like creative fields, I see play being more encouraged until, not to say creatives don't have anhedonia. I see a lot of creatives with anhedonia. Until-
- MRMel Robbins
You're looking at one.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs) Until it becomes perform, perform, perform, hide your feelings. No one wants to see you sad, right? So you're doing something you love, you're getting joy, and then when it's time for the job and the accolades, it's like, "Well, you can't ever show your true feelings. Show up happy. No one wants to see a sad face." So you see this with actors, right?
- MRMel Robbins
Yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You see actors saying, "People thought I had this great life, but I was, I was wearing a mask," because no one wants an actor who is a Debbie Downer, right? So I think it depends on the industry, but I do think certain industries breed this. Teachers, we talked about educators, how, what they went through, how many educators they start off like, "Oh, I love what I do," and then now it's like, "Well, I have to stay after school and help this child, the student. Um, you know, I have to, like, use some of my money to buy some products for the classroom."
- MRMel Robbins
Oh, yeah.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
You know, they sacrifice a lot of their own joy because it's rewarded, right? This is a, a dedicated educator. They did this for their students. But you know, these, these martyr type of roles, they don't, they don't feed your soul. And so I think if we, again, can go back to the basics, even if you're a teacher listening to this, don't grade those exams through your lunch break. Take the lunch break. Just one day a week, not all days. You know, like, oh, but no one's doing this and like th- Try it. Try it one time. The world will not fall apart if you take your lunch break. So you really have to push back on these notions.
- MRMel Robbins
I am so just grateful that the conversation went as deep and as profound as it did so quickly. When you sat down in that chair, never in a million years did I think we were gonna be talking about the collective kind of trauma symptoms that everybody's experiencing based on the last four years. I want to thank you for validating it, because I see the notes and the comments and the just reviews that people from around the world are writing into us about this podcast and about YouTube, and I have been so profoundly sad about what is clearly a massive uptick in the number of people that feel numb and that feel stuck and that know that something is off, but they don't know how to access it. And so I am grateful that you just told the entire planet that what you went through over these last four years that you barely can remember or you don't even want to, that that impacted you, and that that is the barrier, and that's why you have not been feeling like yourself, and that it's real, and that there are simple things that you can do based on what you're doing with your research and your clinical practice to reconnect with yourself and to bring your feelings back online, and it's right there waiting for you. Thank you.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
Well, thank you for being vulnerable and for sharing and validating how people feel and validating what I'm studying. We all can identify universally with the feeling of love, but we also can identify with the feeling of joy, and we just want more of it.
- MRMel Robbins
Now you know how to get it.
- JJDr. Judith Joseph
(laughs)
- MRMel Robbins
So thank you, thank you, thank you, Dr. Judith, and I also want to take a minute and thank you. Um, and in case nobody else tells you today, I think you can, I think you can feel it in this conversation that we not only believe in you, but I know I love you, and I know that Dr. Judith is sending you love, and we believe in your ability to create a better life, and part of having a better life is slowing down. It is validating your experience, and it is taking the time to turn inward and bring your feelings back online to allow yourself to have that joy back in your life. So now go do it. I'll talk to you in a few days. And of course, to you, being here with me on YouTube, I love you, I love you, I love you, and I believe in you. Thank you for sharing this. Thank you for subscribing. It means a lot. That's how you can support me and let me support you 'cause I know you're now like, "I want to do something, I want to do something." And what you should probably do is watch this. It's Mindset Reset: How to Take Control of Your Mind.
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