£10,000,000 From Selling Nudes | Chelsea Ferguson | Modern Wisdom Podcast 139

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   What's your revenue to…

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      What's your revenue to date so far?

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson0:02

      9.8 million pound in 16 months, nearly £10 million.

   3. CWChris Williamson0:08

      £10 million from selling nudes?

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson0:10

      Yep. I'm making 10 grand a week most weeks selling me nudes, and that's just on top of whatever else the company makes. 50 grand a month sometimes I make.

   5. CWChris Williamson0:18

      Yeah.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson0:18

      'Cause it being the sex industry, you don't realize how much you're discriminated against. I had an account with Barclays which it had a million quid through, and they sent me a letter saying, "We need you out by the end of the month. We don't want your money," basically, 'cause it's dirty money to them. And it's funny because in the strip club over the years, the ones who used to win the most was the bank managers.

   7. CWChris Williamson0:36

      (laughs)

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson0:36

      The bank... They were th- they were the ones, man. We'll just do it on our phones. Bit of Facetune.

   9. CWChris Williamson0:41

      Smooth your fanny over with Facetune?

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson0:43

       Yeah, just so you know in case you get any stubble rash.

   11. CWChris Williamson0:45

       Have you considered releasing an app-

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson0:47

       (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson0:47

       ... that's like vTune?

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson0:49

       I was a bit like, "Mm," 'cause obviously it's everyone's seen my tits over the years, but I was like, "Do I want to put me fanny on the internet?" And now it's like, "Uh..." (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson0:59

       Woo. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Chelsey Ferguson in the building. Woo!

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson1:06

       (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson1:06

       Hiya. How are you?

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson1:07

       Fine. You?

   19. CWChris Williamson1:08

       Very good, thank you. Thanks for coming on.

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson1:11

       It's all right. Nowt better to do. (laughs) Only joking.

   21. CWChris Williamson1:16

       (laughs)

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson1:16

       (laughs)

   23. CWChris Williamson1:16

       That's funny, man. So we've been friends for ages. We've been friends like 10 years.

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson1:20

       Yeah, it's crazy, innit?

   25. CWChris Williamson1:21

       And we've been through... I've been different jobs, you've been loads of different jobs. First, first things first, right? You're at a party. Someone comes up to you and says, "Hi, Chelsea. I'm a new human who doesn't know anything about you. What, what do you do for work?" What's your answer to that?

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson1:39

       (sighs) If I'm drunk or, like, it's, like, a young crowd, I'll just blurt out, like, "I'm a porn star, me," like, as a joke.

   27. CWChris Williamson1:46

       (laughs)

   28. CFChelsea Ferguson1:46

       And... Well, it's not really a joke 'cause I have sucked dick on camera, so. Uh, no. (laughs) Um, uh, if it was, like, you know, like an older woman, which usually the young ones know who I am, so it would be, like, an older person-

   29. CWChris Williamson1:56

       Mm-hmm.

   30. CFChelsea Ferguson1:56

       ... and I would just say that I own a website. And then if they push me into saying what kind of website, I'll say a porn website.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CFChelsea Ferguson15:00

      women on it. Oh, we got quite a few couples and stuff. Like couples as like you'll see in the KinkySexLife or whatever-

   2. CWChris Williamson15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CFChelsea Ferguson15:07

      ... um, which is quite popular as well. But, um, yeah, it's mainly women now with us.

   4. CWChris Williamson15:11

      Fast, fast, fast majority, girls.

   5. CFChelsea Ferguson15:12

      I think what it is, I've got all these followers from over the years, like on me Twitter, which is obviously how I got f- like famous or whatever. I had like 700,000 at one point, but now I'm down to about 500,500 and odd. Um, but I can retweet, like the girls and obviously I've got the horny men waiting, customers waiting-

   6. CWChris Williamson15:32

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CFChelsea Ferguson15:32

      ... because that's who follows me.

   8. CWChris Williamson15:33

      Mm-hmm.

   9. CFChelsea Ferguson15:33

      I can't really retweet a guy because I haven't got guys... I haven't got like gay guys waiting. Do you know what I mean? My followers are straight men.

   10. CWChris Williamson15:42

       Yeah.

   11. CFChelsea Ferguson15:42

       So that's-

   12. CWChris Williamson15:42

       That's interesting.

   13. CFChelsea Ferguson15:43

       ... so that's why-

   14. CWChris Williamson15:43

       You've got a very narrow... It's very large but very narrow market-

   15. CFChelsea Ferguson15:47

       Yeah.

   16. CWChris Williamson15:47

       ... of men that-

   17. CFChelsea Ferguson15:48

       It's just straight... Yeah, straight men really.

   18. CWChris Williamson15:49

       ... really want to wank.

   19. CFChelsea Ferguson15:50

       Yeah. (laughs)

   20. CWChris Williamson15:50

       They just love wanking.

   21. CFChelsea Ferguson15:52

       Yeah, they love a wank.

   22. CWChris Williamson15:52

       Um, yeah, that's interesting. I think the, the thing that struck me and it was the conversation that we had with Sienna that really, really, like shocked me, was... If you haven't listened to that, by the way, link will be in the show notes below. It's a conversation with a porn star who's also on Chelsea's site.

   23. CFChelsea Ferguson16:07

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson16:07

       And she's like real funny.

   25. CFChelsea Ferguson16:09

       (laughs)

   26. CWChris Williamson16:09

       Exactly the same as you, real charming, like great. Anyway, what she said was she is now in complete control of her own income.

   27. CFChelsea Ferguson16:18

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson16:18

       Whereas previously, in the porn industry, she would go and work for brazzers or-

   29. CFChelsea Ferguson16:24

       Then you don't know where it ends up kind of thing.

   30. CWChris Williamson16:25

       Well, yeah. And, and on top of that, it's like she gets her day rate. I don't know what a day rate is-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   The fruits of their…

   1. CFChelsea Ferguson30:00

      have the Range, like, don't get to have a house. But that's not my fault. I, 'cause men, you men created the industry. You are the perverts who want to pay for it. So why, why should I, you be mad at me because y- someone giving me-... the, the option to make the money, like-

   2. CWChris Williamson30:16

      The fruits of their labor, essentially.

   3. CFChelsea Ferguson30:17

      Yeah, like, you know what I mean. Like, users wanna see it, so if you pay to see it, then I make money. Like, that's just facts. (laughs) It's like, I don't know.

   4. CWChris Williamson30:26

      I think, yeah, it is, it is so interesting that you have this, this level of jealousy. And, uh, as well, you are right. There is a... the amount of work that you need to do now to earn the money that you do-

   5. CFChelsea Ferguson30:39

      Is a lot. (laughs)

   6. CWChris Williamson30:39

      ... compared with other pe- you know, like, when you think about your hourly wage now compared with your hourly wage from McDonald's, it'll be orders of magnitude-

   7. CFChelsea Ferguson30:45

      I was on £4 an hour, I remember.

   8. CWChris Williamson30:47

      Wow.

   9. CFChelsea Ferguson30:48

      Four pound-

   10. CWChris Williamson30:48

       You're also showing your age a little bit there, I think.

   11. CFChelsea Ferguson30:49

       I know.

   12. CWChris Williamson30:49

       Because that would've been when it would've been legal to... It's fine. I was on, I was on the subway.

   13. CFChelsea Ferguson30:52

       It was th- it was three c- I was somewhere else before that, a café, and I was on £3.60, I think, there, and that was when I was 15. But then when I was 16, I was entitled to £4.10 an hour.

   14. CWChris Williamson31:02

       Yes!

   15. CFChelsea Ferguson31:02

       Yes! What am I gonna spend all this extra money on?

   16. CWChris Williamson31:05

       (laughs)

   17. CFChelsea Ferguson31:05

       In fact, I used to go out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, always get pissed, always come home with a takeaway, always get a taxi home and always still have money in my hand, like-

   18. CWChris Williamson31:12

       Wow.

   19. CFChelsea Ferguson31:12

       ... uh, things were cheap back then.

   20. CWChris Williamson31:14

       They were.

   21. CFChelsea Ferguson31:14

       Take me back.

   22. CWChris Williamson31:14

       I know, well-

   23. CFChelsea Ferguson31:15

       Used to get, like, five bottles for a fiver and that.

   24. CWChris Williamson31:17

       I don't think that you really need to worry about that anymore, so-

   25. CFChelsea Ferguson31:19

       No, I know, but it still annoys me, like, how cheap things used to be. Now they're not. I know it's all relative.

   26. CWChris Williamson31:23

       Are you one of those people that posts about the price of Freddo's every couple of years?

   27. CFChelsea Ferguson31:27

       No.

   28. CWChris Williamson31:27

       Like, "They've go- Freddo's have gone up by another five pence." It's like, oh well-

   29. CFChelsea Ferguson31:29

       Fuck Freddo's. I need the big fucking multi-pack.

   30. CWChris Williamson31:32

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 59:19

   Mm. …

   1. CFChelsea Ferguson45:00

      in it, like, there would be a mask on or whatever. And, like, people do do that and I think it probably helps some sex lives as well because you feel like, "Oh, let's make some videos a bit naughty and, like, it's a bit kinky." And, like, everyone's different, aren't they? Everyone has their different, like, what they're into kind of thing.

   2. CWChris Williamson45:15

      Mm.

   3. CFChelsea Ferguson45:15

      But it's almost like people are really suspect as well as people doing it anonymously with normal jobs and, you know, like, this is our little, like, secret, dirty little secret or whatever. Like, there's some, there's so many different people on there.

   4. CWChris Williamson45:28

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CFChelsea Ferguson45:28

      It's not just, like, people like me who f- like to say, "Oh, there's me asshole," kind of thing-

   6. CWChris Williamson45:33

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CFChelsea Ferguson45:33

      ... out there. Everyone knows Chelsea Ferguson, lives in Artyville, that's her asshole. There's loads of, like, people who do it, like... You know what I mean? They're more, like, uh-

   8. CWChris Williamson45:43

      Yeah.

   9. CFChelsea Ferguson45:43

      ... subtle about it and stuff like that.

   10. CWChris Williamson45:44

       Yeah, I understand what you mean.

   11. CFChelsea Ferguson45:46

       Um...

   12. CWChris Williamson45:46

       So, I think the, the final concern that I have... The final question I've got regarding relationships, and this is specifically a problem with girls and it's one that I see in strippers, and I know that you will have done as well. It's when girls see men as transactions, not investments.

   13. CFChelsea Ferguson46:02

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CWChris Williamson46:03

       So, they don't see themselves needing to actually put care or attention into a man because their industry, that man is just... Let's say you're in a strip club, it's a £20 dance-

   15. CFChelsea Ferguson46:16

       Yeah.

   16. CWChris Williamson46:16

       £30 dance. Let's say that you're online. That man is just a £15 subscriber.

   17. CFChelsea Ferguson46:21

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CWChris Williamson46:21

       Have you ever noticed in yourself or in any of the girls that are around you, like, that kind of culture coming through where-

   19. CFChelsea Ferguson46:27

       I know some girls... Like, one of me good friends actually who, uh, lives in London, she's actually an escort and she hasn't had sex for free in over five years. She says, "I won't fucking dare have sex for free." Like, she literally has no interest in being in love, no interest in being in a relationship. To her, everything is a transaction.

   20. CWChris Williamson46:47

       That's dangerous, man.

   21. CFChelsea Ferguson46:47

       If you want to speak, if you want to speak to her, if you want to take her for dinner, everything is a transaction with her. That's her personally.

   22. CWChris Williamson46:54

       Mm-hmm.

   23. CFChelsea Ferguson46:55

       Me, I'm like an old romantic. I love being in love, I love being in a relationship and I am in, um, a relationship now and really happy. And yeah, like, for me, it's... I have quit stripping for somebody before and, like, it wasn't always about money for me. I loved the job, I loved making good money, but that wasn't the be all and end all of it to me.

   24. CWChris Williamson47:14

       Mm.

   25. CFChelsea Ferguson47:14

       But there is girls like me friend who all she cares about is the money. She-

   26. CWChris Williamson47:19

       D- Did you know she was like that before? Did you ever know before?

   27. CFChelsea Ferguson47:21

       I, I haven't known her that long, um, but she just doesn't care at all. Like, she gen- she's, like, got a man's mindset. You know, like, some men who are, like, just fucking chuck, that's all they care about. They have no interest in being in love, some people. She's like that.

   28. CWChris Williamson47:36

       Do you think she'll change?

   29. CFChelsea Ferguson47:37

       I don't think she ever will. Like, she... It's literally, like, who she is. Like, she doesn't care about any, any man. Like-

   30. CWChris Williamson47:44

       How, how old is she, ish?

Episode duration: 59:19