£10,000,000 From Selling Nudes | Chelsea Ferguson | Modern Wisdom Podcast 139

1. 0:00 – 0:59

   £10M in 16 months: the headline numbers and instant controversy

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      What's your revenue to date so far?

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson0:02

      9.8 million pound in 16 months, nearly £10 million.

   3. CWChris Williamson0:08

      £10 million from selling nudes?

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson0:10

      Yep. I'm making 10 grand a week most weeks selling me nudes, and that's just on top of whatever else the company makes. 50 grand a month sometimes I make.

   5. CWChris Williamson0:18

      Yeah.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson0:18

      'Cause it being the sex industry, you don't realize how much you're discriminated against. I had an account with Barclays which it had a million quid through, and they sent me a letter saying, "We need you out by the end of the month. We don't want your money," basically, 'cause it's dirty money to them. And it's funny because in the strip club over the years, the ones who used to win the most was the bank managers.

   7. CWChris Williamson0:36

      (laughs)

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson0:36

      The bank... They were th- they were the ones, man. We'll just do it on our phones. Bit of Facetune.

   9. CWChris Williamson0:41

      Smooth your fanny over with Facetune?

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson0:43

       Yeah, just so you know in case you get any stubble rash.

   11. CWChris Williamson0:45

       Have you considered releasing an app-

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson0:47

       (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson0:47

       ... that's like vTune?

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson0:49

       I was a bit like, "Mm," 'cause obviously it's everyone's seen my tits over the years, but I was like, "Do I want to put me fanny on the internet?" And now it's like, "Uh..." (laughs)

2. 0:59 – 2:24

   How Chelsea explains her job (and why she downplays it in “normal” settings)

   1. CWChris Williamson0:59

      Woo. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Chelsey Ferguson in the building. Woo!

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson1:06

      (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson1:06

      Hiya. How are you?

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson1:07

      Fine. You?

   5. CWChris Williamson1:08

      Very good, thank you. Thanks for coming on.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson1:11

      It's all right. Nowt better to do. (laughs) Only joking.

   7. CWChris Williamson1:16

      (laughs)

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson1:16

      (laughs)

   9. CWChris Williamson1:16

      That's funny, man. So we've been friends for ages. We've been friends like 10 years.

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson1:20

       Yeah, it's crazy, innit?

   11. CWChris Williamson1:21

       And we've been through... I've been different jobs, you've been loads of different jobs. First, first things first, right? You're at a party. Someone comes up to you and says, "Hi, Chelsea. I'm a new human who doesn't know anything about you. What, what do you do for work?" What's your answer to that?

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson1:39

       (sighs) If I'm drunk or, like, it's, like, a young crowd, I'll just blurt out, like, "I'm a porn star, me," like, as a joke.

   13. CWChris Williamson1:46

       (laughs)

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson1:46

       And... Well, it's not really a joke 'cause I have sucked dick on camera, so. Uh, no. (laughs) Um, uh, if it was, like, you know, like an older woman, which usually the young ones know who I am, so it would be, like, an older person-

   15. CWChris Williamson1:56

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson1:56

       ... and I would just say that I own a website. And then if they push me into saying what kind of website, I'll say a porn website.

   17. CWChris Williamson2:03

       A porn website?

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson2:04

       A porn website, yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson2:05

       So is that the class of website that Admy.Me is?

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson2:09

       I class it as that, yeah, 'cause it's, like, adult entertainment, isn't it?

   21. CWChris Williamson2:13

       Yeah.

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson2:13

       And everybody's pretty much shagging on there and stuff. There is people that don't.

   23. CWChris Williamson2:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson2:17

       But, like, yeah, it's m- obviously s- not safe for work. (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson2:20

       Mm. Not s- definitely not safe for work, no, yeah.

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson2:22

       (laughs)

3. 2:24 – 5:03

   What AdmireMe is: creator profiles, pricing, and paid content mechanics

   1. CWChris Williamson2:24

      So, someone... Again, listeners, some people know who you are, some people won't. What's Admy.Me?

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson2:29

      Uh, Admy.Me is a website where, um, men and women can make up their own profile, some couples as well do, and make your own profile, set your own price, and then upload basically nudes, pictures, videos, like, home movies, whatever you want to upload. And you charge whatever you want. Then you can, like, charge extra for premium posts and things like that. So that's the gist of it really, and it's just been crazy. I didn't even think, 'cause there's so much free porn, I didn't even think that it would be, like, a thing really, and it just very much is a thing. (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson3:01

      Yeah. So what's, what's your revenue to date so far?

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson3:04

      What's revenue turnover?

   5. CWChris Williamson3:06

      Yeah.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson3:06

      We're about 9.8 million pound in 16 months. I'm trying to look at my workout. About 16 months, I think, yeah. Nearly £10 million.

   7. CWChris Williamson3:18

      £10 million?

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson3:19

      Turnover, yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson3:21

      £10 million from selling nudes?

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson3:23

       Yep.

   11. CWChris Williamson3:24

       That's a lot of nudes.

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson3:25

       It is a lot of nudes.

   13. CWChris Williamson3:27

       Have you got any idea how many nudes it is?

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson3:29

       I don't actually. That's an interesting question. Good question, yes. (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson3:32

       Have you seen, um... Oh, this... Yeah, thank you for-

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson3:34

       That's what we're here for.

   17. CWChris Williamson3:35

       ... that is why we're here for.

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson3:35

       But I don't have the facts. (laughs)

   19. CWChris Williamson3:36

       Yeah, but that's me. Like, that's like me saying to you, "Some good nudes, that, Chelsey." And you know what? I'm a professional.

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson3:41

       (laughs)

   21. CWChris Williamson3:41

       Um, have you ever seen PornHub at the end of the year? They get a data team and... They've got a big data science team right in the backend that do all the trends.

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson3:51

       Right.

   23. CWChris Williamson3:51

       So it's like the most popular porn in India, and, like, how many people are watching on mobile, and what the average-

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson3:56

       Oh, right.

   25. CWChris Williamson3:57

       ... blah, blah. So you should get some-

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson3:58

       We have all... We have got all that, like, to see, like, who's on computer, who's on phone and, um, like, more stuff like that. But I'm not interested in stuff like that, so I never look. If you had a Becky here, me cousin, me CEO-

   27. CWChris Williamson4:10

       Got you.

   28. CFChelsea Ferguson4:10

       ... she has all... She likes all numbers and stuff like that. She knows.

   29. CWChris Williamson4:14

       Okay.

   30. CFChelsea Ferguson4:14

       Oh, I don't even have the logins for the back half.
4. 5:03 – 7:21

   Why she built it: a ‘shite’ competitor, poor support, and spending her own £45k

   1. CWChris Williamson5:03

      I get you. So how'd it start? How do you, how do you start thinking, "I want to make a website where I can get amateurs at home and some pros as well-"

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson5:14

      Yeah, there's some pros.

   3. CWChris Williamson5:14

      As we had mutual friends-

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson5:16

      Yeah, Sienna Dey, yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson5:17

      ... Sienna Dey was on. Um.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson5:18

      (clears throat)

   7. CWChris Williamson5:19

      But yeah, how do you... Why?

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson5:21

      Um, the... I was on another site which done pretty much a similar thing, and their site was shocking. They never spent any money on it. It was always breaking down, um, losing money left, right, and center. Um, they never replied to your emails for weeks. Like, they were shite.

   9. CWChris Williamson5:38

      That's as a actress?

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson5:40

       As a, as a-

   11. CWChris Williamson5:41

       What'd you call yourselves?

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson5:42

       Uh-

   13. CWChris Williamson5:42

       Models?

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson5:43

       On mine, we call us VIPs, but on that one it was just... You were just a model, I guess.

   15. CWChris Williamson5:48

       Yeah, okay.

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson5:48

       It was just... That was, like, in detent for it. But, um, yeah, they were just shite all around, so I was like, "I can't live like this. Like, this money is mint, but I can't live like this." Like, it was just answering a message or anything was a nightmare. So I said, "Why don't we try and make ours? Like, make our own?"... so it was like 45 grand of my own money.

   17. CWChris Williamson6:08

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson6:08

       I didn't get a loan, I didn't have, I don't have rich parents. Like, I literally done it as a risk with my own money that I made, and we just, like, went to a web company and obviously just went from there, really.

   19. CWChris Williamson6:20

       Where'd you get 45 grand from?

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson6:21

       I had, I just started sites.

   21. CWChris Williamson6:23

       Because you'd been stripping for a while, right?

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson6:24

       I'd been stripping and obviously I used to sell nudes on a different site, and-

   23. CWChris Williamson6:27

       Mm-hmm.

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson6:27

       ... I just, like, psst, I guess I just had loads of money already-

   25. CWChris Williamson6:30

       Mm-hmm.

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson6:30

       ... but now I have more. (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson6:31

       Yeah. Well, how hilarious is it that you've, you've earned money on one site then used that money to create their biggest competitor?

   28. CFChelsea Ferguson6:39

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson6:39

       That's, like, so funny. That's like me winning a race in Nike shoes-

   30. CFChelsea Ferguson6:43

       Yeah. (laughs)
5. 7:21 – 10:57

   Customer service as a moat: responsiveness, reinvestment, and real operating costs

   1. CWChris Williamson7:21

      I get you, 'cause I mean, if you look at it from a normal business perspective, right? Let's say that you were some stationery company-

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson7:29

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CWChris Williamson7:29

      ... which you're absolutely not.

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson7:31

      (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson7:31

      Um-

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson7:32

      Couldn't be.

   7. CWChris Williamson7:32

      ... if you were a sta- you could be. If you were a stationery company and you had a client that was worth £500,000-

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson7:37

      You would keep them happy, wouldn't you?

   9. CWChris Williamson7:38

      You'd have an account manager.

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson7:39

       Exactly.

   11. CWChris Williamson7:40

       They probably, they might even assign them, like, a PA of some kind.

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson7:42

       Exactly. They just didn't care, so-

   13. CWChris Williamson7:44

       But you must've been...

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson7:45

       That's why we, we care. Like, we ask, like, if you email us if we're away for y- you'd get email back within, like, minutes. Do you know what I mean?

   15. CWChris Williamson7:51

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson7:52

       Everybody gets dealt with. Every single situation gets dealt with personally. Sometimes we ring them, like, to sort it out, like, you know, if there's an issue and we, we actually genuinely care and wanna be the best. We don't, we don't want to just take people's money. In fact, the c- the company t- itself, I make most of my money from selling my own nudes.

   17. CWChris Williamson8:08

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson8:08

       But the company itself obviously makes a good profit, but every single penny, pretty much, of the profit of the company goes back into the company.

   19. CWChris Williamson8:15

       Mm-hmm.

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson8:15

       It costs a lot to run it, like, a lot, like, tens of thousands-

   21. CWChris Williamson8:19

       Where's the cost?

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson8:19

       ... tens and tens of thousands per month.

   23. CWChris Williamson8:22

       W- w- w- where? Where's the cost?

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson8:23

       Where's, oh-

   25. CWChris Williamson8:24

       Yeah, so is it online advertising? Is it upkeep for... What is it?

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson8:27

       It's just, like, the, um, the, obviously the sheer size of it, uh, there's been, I think... Ugh, I wish knew the facts. (laughs) There's something, about 400,000 customers have been through it.

   27. CWChris Williamson8:37

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   28. CFChelsea Ferguson8:38

       So, it's just, like, the volume of, like, people, and obviously the c- the profiles, and it goes up to the cloud in the sky or something. This is like, I don't know the... I'm not very good at computers.

   29. CWChris Williamson8:48

       I feel bad. That's okay.

   30. CFChelsea Ferguson8:48

       So obviously we've got a team that does all that. But, yeah, I go, apparently, to keep it in this cloud in the sky, it costs a lot of money 'cause-
6. 10:57 – 11:22

   Launch and growth curve: first £1M fast, then ‘more money, more problems’

   1. CWChris Williamson10:57

      I get you. So that was, and that was 16 months ago?

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson11:01

      September 2018.

   3. CWChris Williamson11:04

      That is a terrifying, like-

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson11:06

      Numbers, I know. (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson11:06

      R- yeah, the, the numbers are...

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson11:08

      (clears throat) .

   7. CWChris Williamson11:08

      What did you think? You must have thought, like-

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson11:10

      Well, we made a million in the first three months.

   9. CWChris Williamson11:12

      Okay.

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson11:12

       So we turned over a million in three months.

   11. CWChris Williamson11:14

       Yeah.

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson11:15

       Um, and we were j- it was just crazy 'cause we'd come into loads of problems 'cause there was, you would think, like, (laughs) basically, more money, more problems.

   13. CWChris Williamson11:22

       Yeah, yeah.

7. 11:22 – 13:10

   Banking discrimination: being ‘debanked’ and forced overseas

   1. CFChelsea Ferguson11:22

      Like, 'cause it being the sex industry, you don't realize how much you're, um, like, discriminated against. So I, I had an account with Barclays which I'd had a million quid through, and they sent me a letter saying, um, "We need your help. By the end of the month, we don't want your money," basically, 'cause it's dirty money to them, and about their reputation. And so I had to be out of Barclays Bank. Couldn't get with any other bank, even, like, the Coutts and all that. I couldn't get with any of them banks in England, so I've got a bank in Germany. I've got a personal bank in Santander and Halifax, (clears throat) but for me business, I've got, 'cause I had so much money, and yeah, basically I've got a bank in Germany for that.

   2. CWChris Williamson11:59

      That's crazy.

   3. CFChelsea Ferguson12:00

      Nobody wants my dirty money.

   4. CWChris Williamson12:02

      That's weird.

   5. CFChelsea Ferguson12:02

      And it's funny because, like, in the strip club over the years, the ones who used to win the most was the bank managers.

   6. CWChris Williamson12:08

      (laughs)

   7. CFChelsea Ferguson12:08

      The bank... They were, they were the ones, man. Like they... Y- as soon as they mentioned banking, you were like, "Cha-ching." They're getting VIP.

   8. CWChris Williamson12:15

      Yeah, everyone-

   9. CFChelsea Ferguson12:16

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson12:16

       ... all the girls go with them.

   11. CFChelsea Ferguson12:17

       And like, they're the- the ones that... Like, there was a guy who used to come in every s- like, three nights a week to see the same girl, like, for years. Never done it for anyone else and- just her. And he was, like, one of the top ones at HSBC.

   12. CWChris Williamson12:29

       Have you ever thought that it might be an ex-client of yours that's at Barclays, who's just thinking, "Fuck, right, lads. We need to... We really need to get that Chelsea bird off, 'cause if she finds out that I work here-

   13. CFChelsea Ferguson12:40

       (laughs)

   14. CWChris Williamson12:40

       ... my missus is gonna be-"

   15. CFChelsea Ferguson12:41

       Nah, because I don't even friggin' know anyone's name. (laughs) Um, me memory's awful.

   16. CWChris Williamson12:45

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay-

   17. CFChelsea Ferguson12:46

       (laughs)

   18. CWChris Williamson12:46

       ... so you've, you've finally... You've managed to get yourself a bank account, but if you've done... So you've been going 16 months. If it took you three months to make your first mil, that means that in the remaining 13 months, you've done eight, which is actually even more impressive. Or nearly nine, actually.

   19. CFChelsea Ferguson13:01

       No, it's nearly ten. (laughs)

   20. CWChris Williamson13:02

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. CFChelsea Ferguson13:02

       Or yeah, nearly nine-

   22. CWChris Williamson13:02

       With that one off.

   23. CFChelsea Ferguson13:03

       Sorry. (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson13:03

       Yeah. So nearly nine. Like, that's-

   25. CFChelsea Ferguson13:05

       Yeah.

   26. CWChris Williamson13:06

       So, okay, so when... There must be a point where it really, really started to lift off. What happened there?

8. 13:10 – 14:33

   How the subscription model works (and why recurring revenue keeps climbing)

   1. CFChelsea Ferguson13:10

      Every single month, it goes up, apart from January, which is just after Christmas. This month-

   2. CWChris Williamson13:15

      Does people not wank so much in January, do you not think?

   3. CFChelsea Ferguson13:17

      I think they wank as m- they wank as much but they must go on the free porn in January, 'cause they can't afford all this. (laughs)

   4. CWChris Williamson13:22

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CFChelsea Ferguson13:22

      But no, this is... Obviously, this month's been shit, 'cause it's just after Christmas. Everyone's skinned. But every other month leading up to that was, like, up and up and up. Every single month was h- it was smashing the month before.

   6. CWChris Williamson13:33

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CFChelsea Ferguson13:34

      So, it's going up.

   8. CWChris Williamson13:35

      'Cause the model's subscription, right? It's not like... You don't buy photos. I don't buy a, a photo from you.

   9. CFChelsea Ferguson13:44

      No, you buy a subscription to see the photos and the videos that I've got on there.

   10. CWChris Williamson13:47

       And that's-

   11. CFChelsea Ferguson13:48

       So I don't know what I've got on, like 800 pictures and videos for £40.99 or whatever it is.

   12. CWChris Williamson13:52

       Mm-hmm. And that, that rolls on every month, right?

   13. CFChelsea Ferguson13:54

       Yeah, or you can cancel it straight away and-

   14. CWChris Williamson13:55

       Mm-hmm.

   15. CFChelsea Ferguson13:56

       ... you just pay the one-off kind of thing, see what you wanna see and then cancel it.

   16. CWChris Williamson14:00

       But as with, you know... Everyone that's listening has got some membership that they don't use.

   17. CFChelsea Ferguson14:04

       Yeah.

   18. CWChris Williamson14:04

       Membership to a gym-

   19. CFChelsea Ferguson14:05

       I've got one. (laughs)

   20. CWChris Williamson14:06

       Netflix. Like-

   21. CFChelsea Ferguson14:07

       Literally. Like, my Amazon, my Amazon Prime, I literally didn't even log into it for about two years. It was just paying £8.99 a month.

   22. CWChris Williamson14:13

       Mm-hmm.

   23. CFChelsea Ferguson14:13

       And then my, um, my gym in Hartlepo- I've got two gyms in Hartlepool that I pay monthly. I go to one and been to the other one for about eight months and it's just been rolling on, 20 quid a month. So that's probably why... What a lot of people do, just like, sign up and then think, "I can't risk cancelling."

   24. CWChris Williamson14:27

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. CFChelsea Ferguson14:27

       Which I always do.

   26. CWChris Williamson14:28

       Mm-hmm.

   27. CFChelsea Ferguson14:28

       Like... (laughs)

   28. CWChris Williamson14:29

       And then, like, that cumulative thing over time, obviously, is why-

   29. CFChelsea Ferguson14:33

       Just adds up, yeah.

9. 14:33 – 19:13

   Who creates content—and what actually sells (it’s not all explicit sex)

   1. CWChris Williamson14:33

      ... yeah, is why you're gonna continue to get it. So, coming to the girls and, and stuff that work for you, obviously you're actually enabling a lot of people, girls and guys... Oh, actually, that's a, that's a question. What's the split, girls and guys?

   2. CFChelsea Ferguson14:48

      Oh, we've, we've pretty much like 99% women us.

   3. CWChris Williamson14:51

      Mm-hmm.

   4. CFChelsea Ferguson14:51

      Like, I know there is a lot of guys that do it on other sites-

   5. CWChris Williamson14:54

      Mm-hmm.

   6. CFChelsea Ferguson14:54

      ... like the shit one. Um, but, uh, we just didn't really get... We got some guys on there, but mainly women on it. Oh, we got quite a few couples and stuff. Like couples as like you'll see in the KinkySexLife or whatever-

   7. CWChris Williamson15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   8. CFChelsea Ferguson15:07

      ... um, which is quite popular as well. But, um, yeah, it's mainly women now with us.

   9. CWChris Williamson15:11

      Fast, fast, fast majority, girls.

   10. CFChelsea Ferguson15:12

       I think what it is, I've got all these followers from over the years, like on me Twitter, which is obviously how I got f- like famous or whatever. I had like 700,000 at one point, but now I'm down to about 500,500 and odd. Um, but I can retweet, like the girls and obviously I've got the horny men waiting, customers waiting-

   11. CWChris Williamson15:32

       Mm-hmm.

   12. CFChelsea Ferguson15:32

       ... because that's who follows me.

   13. CWChris Williamson15:33

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CFChelsea Ferguson15:33

       I can't really retweet a guy because I haven't got guys... I haven't got like gay guys waiting. Do you know what I mean? My followers are straight men.

   15. CWChris Williamson15:42

       Yeah.

   16. CFChelsea Ferguson15:42

       So that's-

   17. CWChris Williamson15:42

       That's interesting.

   18. CFChelsea Ferguson15:43

       ... so that's why-

   19. CWChris Williamson15:43

       You've got a very narrow... It's very large but very narrow market-

   20. CFChelsea Ferguson15:47

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson15:47

       ... of men that-

   22. CFChelsea Ferguson15:48

       It's just straight... Yeah, straight men really.

   23. CWChris Williamson15:49

       ... really want to wank.

   24. CFChelsea Ferguson15:50

       Yeah. (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson15:50

       They just love wanking.

   26. CFChelsea Ferguson15:52

       Yeah, they love a wank.

   27. CWChris Williamson15:52

       Um, yeah, that's interesting. I think the, the thing that struck me and it was the conversation that we had with Sienna that really, really, like shocked me, was... If you haven't listened to that, by the way, link will be in the show notes below. It's a conversation with a porn star who's also on Chelsea's site.

   28. CFChelsea Ferguson16:07

       (laughs)

   29. CWChris Williamson16:07

       And she's like real funny.

   30. CFChelsea Ferguson16:09

       (laughs)
10. 19:13 – 22:06

    Leaks and permanence: stolen content, WhatsApp groups, and the ‘forever’ warning

    1. CWChris Williamson19:13

       ... blowjob miming movement, which is famous. Um, yeah, I- I... Well, that's- that's a good question I really want to get onto, which is, you've got these girls who are on there who are completely in control of their own earning, they're maybe making great money now, but their nudes are on the internet. Now, they're on the internet, but paywalled.

    2. CFChelsea Ferguson19:33

       Yeah, but people do steal them and put them otherwise.

    3. CWChris Williamson19:34

       So you had this problem today, right?

    4. CFChelsea Ferguson19:36

       Yeah.

    5. CWChris Williamson19:36

       Like, literally today, you- you- when you walked in-

    6. CFChelsea Ferguson19:39

       Yeah.

    7. CWChris Williamson19:39

       ... you were like, "Me nudes have ended up on the internet."

    8. CFChelsea Ferguson19:40

       No, no, me nude ended up in a WhatsApp group.

    9. CWChris Williamson19:43

       Your nudes ended up in a WhatsApp group? Like, what's happened there?

    10. CFChelsea Ferguson19:46

        Yeah, so, like, there must be some kind of WhatsApp- WhatsApp groups out there which just has loads of men in, like, it must be just for perverts or whatever. (laughs) And then a couple of me mates have messaged me, like, obviously in the group, saying, um, "Oh, your nudes have been put in this group." That's- it's not the first time it's happened. Obviously e- they all do all the rounds, like, basically someone will go on, screenshot all me shit and send it around.

    11. CWChris Williamson20:04

        Yeah. So is there... There's no way of securing the content? 'Cause someone can just press screen record, right? And then-

    12. CFChelsea Ferguson20:09

        Yeah, like-

    13. CWChris Williamson20:09

        ... play your video on their phone.

    14. CFChelsea Ferguson20:11

        There's, like... I think there is some kind of stuff where the- some banking app to use, where if your screenshot doesn't work or something, but we- I think we, like, looked into it and it was gonna be, like, really hard to do. And also, if people wanna do it, they're just gonna get another phone and take a picture. So nothing is ever gonna be 100% safe, so you need to realize if you are gonna do this, they are gonna be on there for the rest of your life. They probably will ruin any future prospects that you're thinking about doing, unless this is gonna be your career and you're gonna smash it, buy some houses. Make sure you do it properly and don't be- have nothing at the end of it. But also, at the same time, it's not like stripping because, like- obviously I was a stripper and you- though you'd barely ever seen I last over 40 in the strip club. Like that was pretty much, like, it. But in this, you do get, like, MILFs and things like that. And 'cause it's just online, I think people just think, "Fuck it, I can still do it. Like, I don't have to physically go to the strip club." So people just keep doing it over a certain age, I guess. And now- so now you could keep doing it for longer, but do you wanna do it when you're 40, 50? Probably not. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean?

    15. CWChris Williamson21:12

        Well, it depends if you've got- if you've got-

    16. CFChelsea Ferguson21:13

        If you make and still ma- I always say keep doing it till you stop making money, and if you're still making good money, why would you stop? And people ask me, "Why are you still selling nudes when you own the company?" I'm like, "Because I'm making 10 grand a week most weeks selling me nudes."

    17. CWChris Williamson21:25

        Mm-hmm.

    18. CFChelsea Ferguson21:25

        Like, and that's just on top of whatever else the company makes, so, like, why- I'd be stupid to stop. Like, 50 grand a month sometimes I make.

    19. CWChris Williamson21:33

        Yeah. Well, I think the- the beauty is, from an economics perspective, the fact that it's a membership site, because it will accumulate over time, your churn rate, how many people actually end up dropping off and say-

    20. CFChelsea Ferguson21:45

        Yeah.

    21. CWChris Williamson21:45

        ... "Oh, unsubscribe from Chelsey's Tits, like, this month or whatever."

    22. CFChelsea Ferguson21:49

        Yeah.

    23. CWChris Williamson21:49

        Like, you've got to presume that if- until you hit, like, a critical mass, and there's a lot of men that are aged, like, 18 to 50 or whatever that-

    24. CFChelsea Ferguson21:56

        There's a lot of men out there.

    25. CWChris Williamson21:57

        There's a lot of men. And obviously-

    26. CFChelsea Ferguson21:58

        You never know when it'll run out of men. (laughs)

    27. CWChris Williamson22:00

        Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, you might do. If you- if you conquer the world of men with- with your site, that would be impressive.

    28. CFChelsea Ferguson22:06

        Yeah.

11. 22:06 – 27:09

    Career backlash and hypocrisy: getting sacked, school discipline, and social double standards

    1. CWChris Williamson22:06

       But- Okay, so we- we've touched on it there, like, that some of the girls might have an issue then reintegrating, um back into a normal job. Also, I'm gonna guess, like, if someone, uh, one of the girls was also an employee at ASDA or-

    2. CFChelsea Ferguson22:23

       You could probably get sacked, yeah. Me friend who got sacked, she was at, um, uh, like a... One of them ones who helps old people in a home or something, a care worker.

    3. CWChris Williamson22:32

       Wow, okay, yeah.

    4. CFChelsea Ferguson22:33

       And, yeah, they- they basically said like, "You're gonna have to resign or we'll sack you," kind of thing.

    5. CWChris Williamson22:38

       Mm-hmm.

    6. CFChelsea Ferguson22:38

       "Um, 'cause we've seen what you're doing online." It's unfair, really, because all you're doing is helping people, plus you're helping people, right? (laughs)

    7. CWChris Williamson22:45

       Yeah, just- just two different types of helping people.

    8. CFChelsea Ferguson22:46

       You know what I mean? She's just an all-around good girl, helping people.

    9. CWChris Williamson22:49

       Yeah, she really is.

    10. CFChelsea Ferguson22:50

        No, but, like, it is shocking, really, that you can get sacked for stuff like that. There is some jobs, like, other people I know who've got normal jobs who do it, and, like, their bosses know and they're, like, fine about it, but it just depends on-

    11. CWChris Williamson23:01

        What are some of those jobs, do you know?

    12. CFChelsea Ferguson23:02

        Um, I don't actually know what she does, you know, which is my group chat, but she- she does... Uh, I think it's just, like, she's, like, a receptionist or something like that.

    13. CWChris Williamson23:09

        Mm-hmm.

    14. CFChelsea Ferguson23:09

        But it depends obviously who your boss is-

    15. CWChris Williamson23:10

        Mm-hmm.

    16. CFChelsea Ferguson23:11

        ... and, like, what- what the industry is, I suppose. Um-

    17. CWChris Williamson23:14

        I feel like a primary school teacher or something is probably gonna go down badly.

    18. CFChelsea Ferguson23:15

        Yeah, I mean, exactly, exactly. One of my friends actually, she wasn't on my site or anything, but she's a teacher, and, um, she actually got a warning at work because it was when my Snapchat was big, you know, and it used to have millions of people on it. Um, and, like, we were on a night out and I was, like, filming, like, walls, and she pretended to touch me fanny, like- and I was... Like, it was just- we were just, like, messing about, and she went like that, um... I'm pretending it's a checklist for everyone who was already listening. (laughs)

    19. CWChris Williamson23:42

        (laughs)

    20. CFChelsea Ferguson23:42

        Um, and he-

    21. CWChris Williamson23:42

        Thank you, thank you for clarifying that, Josh.

    22. CFChelsea Ferguson23:43

        They literally s- printed it off into a big, like, A fucking, what's that? 8 massive-

    23. CWChris Williamson23:48

        Life-sized, life-sized photograph of your vagina.

    24. CFChelsea Ferguson23:49

        Massive, and put it on a, put it on the board in- in school and was like, um, "Is this you on Chelsea Vega's Snapchat?" And that, and she was like...

    25. CWChris Williamson23:57

        (laughs)

    26. CFChelsea Ferguson23:58

        Like...

    27. CWChris Williamson23:58

        It looks a lot like my fingers.

    28. CFChelsea Ferguson23:59

        And she basically got, like, a disciplinary or something over it.

    29. CWChris Williamson24:03

        Wow.

    30. CFChelsea Ferguson24:03

        And, like, that was something outside of where, on my Snapchat, that- like, nothing to do with her Snapchat, nothing, and she got in trouble over it.
12. 27:09 – 40:03

    Viral flex and the backlash: the house, the Lambo, and anger at ‘easy money’

    1. CWChris Williamson27:09

       Um, so, one of the other things that I wanted to talk about was a Facebook status that you put up recently.

    2. CFChelsea Ferguson27:14

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson27:15

       Um, you, well, I'll tell you what. Why don't you describe what you posted?

    4. CFChelsea Ferguson27:18

       Um, so I know I like caused a ruckus, to be honest, like. (laughs) So I posted a picture of me house, which is a five-bedroom detached house with a double garage. And, uh, I had my Lamborghini and my Range Rover Sport on the drive, and I've got Chelsea on the Lambo and Faygo on the Range Rover. That's my number plate, um, if anyone wants to check the picture out it'll be on my Instagram, Chelsey Faygo. Um, and I put it on Facebook, the picture, and the caption was, "All from showing me fanny to strangers."

    5. CWChris Williamson27:50

       Wasn't it then like, "Subscribe here"?

    6. CFChelsea Ferguson27:52

       Yeah. (laughs)

    7. CWChris Williamson27:52

       Like, oh, oh, "Help me put petrol in my Lambo."

    8. CFChelsea Ferguson27:55

       (laughs) Oh yeah.

    9. CWChris Williamson27:55

       "Help me put petrol in my Lambo. Subscribe here."

    10. CFChelsea Ferguson27:57

        Yeah, I forgot about that bit, forgot about that bit. Yeah, so it was, yeah, "All from showing me fanny to strangers. Help me put petrol in me Lambo," and then the link. And it got like, I can't remember how many shares, thousands and thousands of shares, thousands of comments, loads of shit.

    11. CWChris Williamson28:11

        And it was in, it was in, like, the Star and The Sun and stuff.

    12. CFChelsea Ferguson28:13

        Oh, it was in a few, yeah, it was in a few different webpages, and everyone was like calling me worse and shit. Like some of the stuff people say, man, I'm like, "Are we, man, like, just out of order." Like, you just wouldn't even, like, say it, like...

    13. CWChris Williamson28:24

        Why do you think people react that way?

    14. CFChelsea Ferguson28:26

        So fucking jealous. Like, people can't bear the fact that just getting me fanny out has got me all that. Do you know what I mean? They think, well, you can have some money but not as much. Like, the, if I was showing me fanny to everyone for free, right, they'd be all over it. The minute I'm making money off it, they don't like it. The minute I've got the car, the dream car that most men would fucking stick their cock in the exhaust if they could, like, that's the b- like, the best car, one of the best cars in the world. Like, and I've got it, and that's why people don't like it. But I fucking worked hard. I paid my dues. I worked at McDonald's for two and a half year. I worked in Wacky Wares, washing pots. I worked in call centers. I worked for Vodafone. I used to get shit every fucking day. I used to work Monday to Friday night at five in a call center, Friday night to Saturday night in a nightclub till 3:00 in the morning, then Saturday, Sunday, McDonald's. And that was my life grow, like from like 17, 18, 19. Like, I've fucking been there. Like, I've done the shit jobs, so why can't I do this now, like I earned it? So fuck 'em. (laughs)

    15. CWChris Williamson29:24

        I, hey, I, uh-

    16. CFChelsea Ferguson29:26

        I get proper mad about it maybe.

    17. CWChris Williamson29:27

        ... I, I think we're like, you know, I think rightly so, because there's people that are doing much more outlandish things and making much less money and being given much less shit.

    18. CFChelsea Ferguson29:40

        Yeah, yeah.

    19. CWChris Williamson29:40

        So there was some real vitriol comments. I, I had a little bit of a scroll through and, and had a look at them, and people are really, really-

    20. CFChelsea Ferguson29:47

        Vicious.

    21. CWChris Williamson29:47

        ... becoming upset.

    22. CFChelsea Ferguson29:48

        (laughs)

    23. CWChris Williamson29:48

        They're very, very upset. And I think, I think a lot of it is them being triggered by the fact that it's-

    24. CFChelsea Ferguson29:52

        They probably work harder than me now.

    25. CWChris Williamson29:54

        Yeah.

    26. CFChelsea Ferguson29:54

        They probably work 70 hours a week, don't get to see their family, work away from their family, and don't get to have a Lambo, don't even get to have the Range, like, don't get to have a house. But that's not my fault. I, 'cause men, you men created the industry. You are the perverts who want to pay for it. So why, why should I, you be mad at me because y- someone giving me-... the, the option to make the money, like-

    27. CWChris Williamson30:16

        The fruits of their labor, essentially.

    28. CFChelsea Ferguson30:17

        Yeah, like, you know what I mean. Like, users wanna see it, so if you pay to see it, then I make money. Like, that's just facts. (laughs) It's like, I don't know.

    29. CWChris Williamson30:26

        I think, yeah, it is, it is so interesting that you have this, this level of jealousy. And, uh, as well, you are right. There is a... the amount of work that you need to do now to earn the money that you do-

    30. CFChelsea Ferguson30:39

        Is a lot. (laughs)
13. 40:03 – 41:33

    The ‘personal’ advantage: why people pay when free porn exists

    1. CWChris Williamson40:03

       There's- there's part of the discussion that we're having here where people seem to think that it's this window into your life, and I think that's part of the attraction of sites like-

    2. CFChelsea Ferguson40:14

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson40:14

       ... Admire Me. And I think this is... I'd like to get your thought on this. Why I think that these direct to client or direct to consumer sites like yours are effective, is that it feels a lot more-

    4. CFChelsea Ferguson40:28

       Personal.

    5. CWChris Williamson40:29

       ... personal.

    6. CFChelsea Ferguson40:29

       That is why it works.

    7. CWChris Williamson40:31

       A lot more real.

    8. CFChelsea Ferguson40:31

       Yeah.

    9. CWChris Williamson40:31

       Right?

    10. CFChelsea Ferguson40:31

        'Cause there's loads of free porn, obviously.

    11. CWChris Williamson40:33

        You can go on PornHub and watch anything but you don't know them?

    12. CFChelsea Ferguson40:35

        You don't know anything about it. You don't know anything about that girl and this sounds so fucking stupid. Like, I don't know where... what she's been up to today. I don't know what her likes and dislikes are. (laughs)

    13. CWChris Williamson40:44

        Yeah.

    14. CFChelsea Ferguson40:44

        I don't know why I'm American now.

    15. CWChris Williamson40:45

        Yeah.

    16. CFChelsea Ferguson40:45

        But, like, pe- that's what people... Like- like, if you live in the street, right? Say there's a fit girl who lives at number fucking 20, right? And you e- always see her every day going to work and you're like, "Wonder what her asshole looks like."

    17. CWChris Williamson40:55

        Mm.

    18. CFChelsea Ferguson40:55

        So, say there's an option-

    19. CWChris Williamson40:56

        Do you often wonder that?

    20. CFChelsea Ferguson40:57

        Well, I j- like, not personally. Obviously, I know what men are like. They would look at a girl and be like, "Oh..." Like, especially if she's, like, say, like, a cute girl next door type who you would never believe in a million years would show her nudes. It makes you wanna see even more.

    21. CWChris Williamson41:10

        Mm-hmm.

    22. CFChelsea Ferguson41:10

        Like, someone's out there with their fanny flaps out already. You're a bit like, "Oh, I've seen it." Do you know what I mean?

    23. CWChris Williamson41:14

        Yeah. Yeah.

    24. CFChelsea Ferguson41:14

        But if you tease... If you- well, if you tease or you don't intentionally even, you might just be going about your daily business, men are intrigued by it. So then they're like, "Oh, I wish there was an option to see her naked." Now there is and then they're like... Obviously, I bet you any money... I don't know all the statistics, but I bet you any money that most of my subscribers will be people I know personally. I can

14. 41:33 – 43:03

    Stripping’s psychological toll: drugs, distrust of men, and sex drive burnout

    1. CFChelsea Ferguson41:33

       just imagine it. There'll be people I've known from school. There'll be people who I've worked in McDonald's with. There'll be people who've known me for years, who've always wondered what me fanny looks like.

    2. CWChris Williamson41:42

       Now they know.

    3. CFChelsea Ferguson41:42

       Exactly.

    4. CWChris Williamson41:43

       Now they can... Now they can find out for- for a mere 15...

    5. CFChelsea Ferguson41:46

       I think it's $14.99 or $15. I don't even know.

    6. CWChris Williamson41:47

       $14.99 discount available in the show notes.

    7. CFChelsea Ferguson41:50

       (laughs)

    8. CWChris Williamson41:50

       Um.

    9. CFChelsea Ferguson41:50

       No-

    10. CWChris Williamson41:51

        So yeah, tha- tha- that's... That's the... That's the reason why I think people like it. It's the fact that it feels very personal-

    11. CFChelsea Ferguson41:58

        And you can chat to them, so it's-

    12. CWChris Williamson41:59

        Okay, so it's kind of interactive as well.

    13. CFChelsea Ferguson42:01

        Yeah, so people chat to you. They wanna know what you've been up to. So-

    14. CWChris Williamson42:03

        What's your... Have you not got... You must have a... have to have a PA for all of your subscribers.

    15. CFChelsea Ferguson42:07

        I've got like... I had about 3,000 at one point for like subscribers, but I'm- I'm at about 2,000 because it is January. Um, not every single one wants to message. Some- some people just wanna go on for another wank and gorge. Do you know what I mean? And-... that's fine, but then there's... I think there is just some... Um, some lonely people out there want to chat to you 'cause they might not have anyone else to chat to, which obviously is quite sad, really. But, like, uh, that's another, it's just a service that you provide. Like, they might not want to see an escort because they might not feel comfortable doing that. They might not be confident. They might just want to chat to you and pretend you're their online girlfriend or something, like. There's nothing wrong with that, like, it gives them a bit more of a personal experience. Some people might be a virgin, they might not dare go out there. Some people have mental health issues, they might feel, like, too anxious to speak to a girl, especially somebody who's like us, who does what we do. Like, you wouldn't talk, probably come up and talk to us, like, quite intimidating. So, there's all these reasons really, that people wouldn't understand, I guess, unless they were in that situation.

15. 43:03 – 59:19

    Relationships and identity: transactional mindsets, independence, and future plans

    1. CWChris Williamson43:03

       Mm. Completely, yeah. I want to get back to the, the conversation about the relationships thing. Do you think that the girls that are on the site... So, we've talked about stripping and some of the s- sort of side effects of that, and I think that's super interesting that girls that are strippers see a very particular demographic of men-

    2. CFChelsea Ferguson43:20

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson43:21

       ... that inevitably... It d- No man is at his most vulnerable in a strip club, even the one-

    4. CFChelsea Ferguson43:27

       (laughs) Yeah.

    5. CWChris Williamson43:27

       ... who doesn't do anything.

    6. CFChelsea Ferguson43:28

       He's still there, hard, like...

    7. CWChris Williamson43:28

       There's titties everywhere, you know? Yeah, like-

    8. CFChelsea Ferguson43:31

       When I go out to strip clubs meself and I get a dance, like, I can't help myself, so obviously, they can't help theirselves.

    9. CWChris Williamson43:36

       Yeah. So, that's, that's one particular part of it, but the girls that are working online, do you think that they're potentially gonna come up against some relationship problems? They've got to have a very specific type of boyfriend that's gonna be accepting-

    10. CFChelsea Ferguson43:47

        Minority mate.

    11. CWChris Williamson43:47

        ... of his girlfriend getting naked on the internet. His friends could pay... You know, it's a common joke in some of the WhatsApp-

    12. CFChelsea Ferguson43:54

        Yeah.

    13. CWChris Williamson43:54

        ... chats that we're in, where it's, you'll see a guy start to go out with a girl-

    14. CFChelsea Ferguson43:57

        And then they'll be like-

    15. CWChris Williamson43:57

        The girl's on that, and you're like, "Hang on a second, mate."

    16. CFChelsea Ferguson43:59

        Yeah.

    17. CWChris Williamson43:59

        "For £15, I can see your girlfriend's vagina."

    18. CFChelsea Ferguson44:01

        Yeah. I know, but I a- I just think, like, how many girls... You probably know. How many girls' fannies have you seen in town? Like, girls who you... Who are nurses, who are teachers, who have normal jobs, but they've sent their nudes to one person and it's been sent round. Because that happens all the time.

    19. CWChris Williamson44:17

        Mm-hmm.

    20. CFChelsea Ferguson44:18

        So, just because I've charged for mine and she's sent hers for free and everyone's still seeing it... Because that's what happens. Every- anyone who's ever sent a nude has been seen by more than just the person who you've sent it to, don't care what you say. So, at least I can say, like, I got fucking paid for mine, and paid plenty. But back to the relationship thing, I think it actually helps sex lives. If... Obviously, if, if you're already doing it and you meet a guy, he must obviously know what you do, so he's accepting it because he's chose to be with you knowing that you do it in the first place. And then I guess if you were... Just started doing it when you'd already had a relationship, like say me and you are in a relationship, we've been together years. Then I say, "Right, how about we do this? Like, w- we want to make videos and that. Like, could do it anonymously like a lot of couples do." Like, your face wouldn't be in it, like, there would be a mask on or whatever. And, like, people do do that and I think it probably helps some sex lives as well because you feel like, "Oh, let's make some videos a bit naughty and, like, it's a bit kinky." And, like, everyone's different, aren't they? Everyone has their different, like, what they're into kind of thing.

    21. CWChris Williamson45:15

        Mm.

    22. CFChelsea Ferguson45:15

        But it's almost like people are really suspect as well as people doing it anonymously with normal jobs and, you know, like, this is our little, like, secret, dirty little secret or whatever. Like, there's some, there's so many different people on there.

    23. CWChris Williamson45:28

        Mm-hmm.

    24. CFChelsea Ferguson45:28

        It's not just, like, people like me who f- like to say, "Oh, there's me asshole," kind of thing-

    25. CWChris Williamson45:33

        Mm-hmm.

    26. CFChelsea Ferguson45:33

        ... out there. Everyone knows Chelsea Ferguson, lives in Artyville, that's her asshole. There's loads of, like, people who do it, like... You know what I mean? They're more, like, uh-

    27. CWChris Williamson45:43

        Yeah.

    28. CFChelsea Ferguson45:43

        ... subtle about it and stuff like that.

    29. CWChris Williamson45:44

        Yeah, I understand what you mean.

    30. CFChelsea Ferguson45:46

        Um...

Episode duration: 59:19