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Are Smart People Actually Happier? - Adam Mastroianni

Adam Mastroianni is a postdoctoral research scholar at Columbia Business School and a writer whose research focuses on how people perceive and misperceive their social worlds. Does being smart make you happy? Does being dumb make you miserable? Why did the guy who created eugenics also get published in Nature for a revolutionary way to cut a cake? Adam is one of my favourite writers so today I get to ask him all these things. Expect to learn why super smart people can be so stupid, Adam's issue with the productivity approach of eating frogs, whether you can learn arithmetic by smell, why humans misjudge what other people want to talk about, why we forget so many of the things that we've learned, how come it's trendy to call the general public stupid and much more... Sponsors: Get 83% discount & 3 months free from Surfshark VPN at https://surfshark.deals/MODERNWISDOM (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and more from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 20% discount on House Of Macadamias’ nuts at https://houseofmacadamias.com/modernwisdom (use code MW20) Extra Stuff: Follow Adam's Substack - https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/ Check out Adam's website - https://www.adammastroianni.com/ Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #happiness #iq #psychology - 00:00 Intro 05:23 Why Aren’t Smart People Happier? 16:25 Adam’s Issue with ‘Eating the Frog’ 25:12 The Strange Work & Tests of Sir Francis Galton 34:31 How We Misjudge Conversations 38:26 What the Media is Overlooking in Society 41:04 Why We Forget So Much of What We Learn 49:45 How Adam Overcomes Writer’s Block 1:00:30 How We Misperceive the Sanity of Others 1:06:55 Is It Possible to Overcome our Inherent Biases? 1:11:11 Where to Find Adam - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Adam MastroianniguestChris Williamsonhost
Feb 4, 20231h 11mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 5:24

    Adam’s path from academia to Substack—and why he thinks peer review fails

    Adam introduces his background in social psychology and why he left traditional academic publishing for writing online. He explains a ‘truth-first’ approach to sharing studies publicly and critiques peer review as costly labor that often fails to catch major errors.

    • Social psychology training and current work teaching negotiation
    • Disillusionment with papers ‘nobody reads’ and incentives to misrepresent results
    • Publishing an honest multi-study project online (including admitting uncertainty)
    • Peer review as a ‘failed experiment’ that’s expensive but doesn’t reliably prevent bad science
    • Why criticizing entrenched systems triggers backlash from people invested in them
  2. 5:24 – 8:22

    Why IQ doesn’t buy happiness: intelligence tests measure the wrong kind of ‘smart’

    The conversation shifts to the episode’s central question: why smart people aren’t necessarily happier. Adam argues IQ tests capture standardized test-taking skill and predict some outcomes (jobs) but not life satisfaction, because they ignore practical wisdom and good decision-making.

    • IQ correlates with some life outcomes but not self-reported life satisfaction
    • Test-solving ability is different from making good life choices
    • Examples of high-IQ people making self-sabotaging or socially disastrous decisions
    • No clear positive or negative correlation—often effectively zero
    • Modern notions of intelligence overclaim what a single metric can capture
  3. 8:22 – 14:12

    Prestige, money, and ‘Monopoly points’: how smart people get trapped in the game

    Adam and Chris explore why high-achievers can chase status and optimization while missing what actually generates fulfillment. They discuss how strong cultural theories about success become hard to disconfirm, even when the pursuit erodes relationships and well-being.

    • Common mistaken theory: prestige + money ⇒ contentment
    • Best predictor of happiness is relationship quality, which status-chasing can damage
    • Being good at ‘game-playing’ makes it easier to mistake the game for the point
    • Over-optimization as a self-defeating treadmill (time→money, happiness→success)
    • Difficulty noticing what you truly like when you ‘should’ like something else
  4. 14:12 – 16:30

    A more reliable route to fulfillment: attention to experience and giving yourself permission

    Adam proposes a practical alternative: pay close attention to when you feel meaningful fulfillment, even if the activity is not prestigious. He uses examples (campground maintenance, D&D) to show how people deny their real preferences and postpone life until an uncertain ‘later.’

    • Track moments of genuine fulfillment rather than socially approved milestones
    • Many people deny themselves permission to enjoy ‘non-prestigious’ work
    • Example: someone who loves manual outdoor maintenance but stays in higher-paid engineering
    • Retirement fantasy vs. choosing the life you actually want sooner
    • Elite-achievement pathways can train people to confuse CV-building with pleasure
  5. 16:30 – 22:15

    What’s wrong with ‘Eat That Frog’: the myth that your natural self is lazy

    Adam critiques productivity culture’s moral framing of discomfort and self-coercion. He argues many people adopt a harmful model of the mind—assuming the unconscious is lazy—and then treat constant self-flagellation as noble, which conveniently benefits institutions that want more labor.

    • Doing hard tasks first isn’t the problem; moralizing ‘frog-eating’ is
    • Common belief: ‘deep down I’m lazy’ → need constant self-control systems
    • Intern metaphor: you only notice the unconscious when there’s a problem, so you misjudge it
    • Puritan/self-punishment narratives can be socially learned and economically useful
    • Reframing leisure and joy as part of life rather than guilty indulgence
  6. 22:15 – 25:12

    Shadow careers and jobs adjacent to what you love

    They unpack how people end up doing work near—but not equal to—the thing they actually want. The ‘next-to’ work can be uniquely frustrating because it looks like the dream from a distance while still draining the pleasure out of it.

    • ‘Next to the thing’ example: loving painting but making logos for work
    • Pressfield’s ‘shadow careers’ (e.g., would-be actors becoming agents)
    • Sometimes better to choose work that’s clearly different so labor/pleasure don’t blur
    • Turning a love into labor can destroy the love
    • Modern freedom and social expectations both push people into prestige-aligned paths
  7. 25:12 – 30:21

    Sir Francis Galton: brilliant experimentation—and a moral blind spot

    Adam tells the story of Victorian scientist Francis Galton: wildly inventive, experimentally fearless, and foundational to modern statistics and psychology, yet also the father of eugenics. The chapter uses Galton to examine how intellectual brilliance can coexist with profound ethical failure.

    • Galton’s huge range: correlation, nature vs. nurture, maps, quirky experiments
    • Entertaining self-experiments (arithmetic by smell, puppet worship, hypnotism, etc.)
    • The ‘spirit of experimentation’ vs. today’s more constrained professional science
    • Galton’s development of eugenics as his most notorious legacy
    • Core question: why some people can ‘see the future’ technically but not morally
  8. 30:21 – 34:30

    Why society missed eugenics’ danger: equality, perspective, and who gets heard

    Adam argues Galton lacked sustained, equal-status contact with people harmed by eugenic policies, and the scientific community debated feasibility before ethics. They connect this to real-world outcomes including forced sterilization and how recently such practices and attitudes persisted.

    • Moral forecasting failure: no peer equals to challenge assumptions from the losing side
    • Victorian ‘gentlemen of science’ insulated by wealth and status
    • Early objections focused on whether eugenics would work, not whether it was wrong
    • US history: forced sterilization rationale (‘three generations of imbeciles…’)
    • Evidence of coercive sterilization practices continuing into recent decades
  9. 34:30 – 37:30

    How we misjudge conversations: timing, endings, and depth

    Adam shares research showing people are poor at estimating when others want to leave a conversation and whether they want to continue a topic. They discuss how this mismatch keeps conversations from ending at the right time and how people underestimate others’ desire for deeper talk.

    • People misjudge when the other person wanted to leave—often by ~half the conversation length
    • Conversations frequently don’t end when either person ideally wants
    • Mismatch arises because people rarely want the same duration
    • People are generally bad at knowing whether to stay on a topic or move on
    • Research suggests we underestimate others’ appetite for deeper, more meaningful conversation
  10. 37:30 – 38:24

    Fast friends: the mechanics of intimacy via reciprocal self-disclosure

    They explain the ‘Fast Friends’ paradigm popularized as 36 questions that deepen connection. The mechanism is staged, mutual vulnerability that gradually lowers defenses and moves conversation beyond small talk.

    • 36 questions as an escalating prompt set for building closeness
    • Principle: increasing reciprocal self-disclosure
    • Small, safe sharing invites the other person to share slightly more
    • Why small talk persists despite people saying they dislike it
    • How structured prompts can shortcut awkwardness into real connection
  11. 38:24 – 40:59

    What the media (and historians) may overlook: the trade-offs of professionalizing science

    Prompted by a question about future historians, Adam points to the professionalization of science. He argues professionalization raises the floor but lowers the ceiling—constraining unconventional, high-upside exploration in favor of standardized, safer output that may not drive major breakthroughs.

    • Professionalization trades off ‘raise the floor’ vs. ‘lower the ceiling’
    • In medicine, raising the floor matters; in science, breakthrough rate may matter more
    • Science as a ‘strong link’ problem: progress driven by rare, high-value discoveries
    • Modern focus on preventing low-quality work vs. enabling exceptional work
    • Contrast with Galton’s era of freer, sometimes absurd, experimentation
  12. 40:59 – 49:45

    Why we forget what we learn: facts fade, but ‘vibes’ and world-models stick

    Adam argues that education’s durable output isn’t memorized details but an abstracted sense of how the world works—a ‘vibe’—that shapes future thinking. They discuss how attempts to ‘hack’ retention miss the point for most learners outside domains requiring exact recall.

    • People forget most school facts quickly—raising the question ‘what’s it for?’
    • The mind retains abstractions: complexity, scale, structure, and worldview takeaways
    • Vibes can be positive (curiosity) or negative (school is pointless)
    • You can’t fully ‘hack’ vibes; educators can be more intentional about the atmosphere they create
    • For most learners, stressing about perfect recall is less useful than following what resonates
  13. 49:45 – 58:01

    Writer’s block and creative output: honesty, incubation, and choosing your cadence

    Adam shares tactics for getting unstuck: asking what he’d say with zero consequences, admitting when he doesn’t know enough, and letting ideas bake. Chris contrasts external motivation in podcasting with solitary writing and they discuss matching output style to one’s strengths.

    • Unsticking method: write the most honest thing you want to say (reveals fear or ignorance)
    • If you’re blocked, you may need more research—not more forcing
    • Incubation metaphor: ideas have bake-time; rushing burns them
    • Different creator ‘niches’: high-volume ‘firehose’ vs. carefully crafted ‘water balloons’
    • Aim for work people anticipate, not content that becomes background noise
  14. 58:01 – 1:00:30

    Why ‘everyone is stupid now’ feels true: news salience + fading affect bias

    Adam explains why people believe society is declining in kindness or competence despite flat trend data. Negative news dominates attention while memory softens past badness faster than past goodness, creating an illusion that things used to be better.

    • Calling others stupid can signal intelligence and gain status
    • Dissertation-related finding: perceived decline in goodness lacks supporting time-trend evidence
    • News highlights rare bad behavior, distorting impressions of everyday life
    • Fading affect bias: negative memories lose emotional intensity faster than positive ones
    • Combined effects produce a persistent illusion of moral and competence decline
  15. 1:00:30 – 1:06:07

    Why everyone else seems insane: naïve realism, psychological distance, and bias limits

    They explore why our own perceptions feel ‘objective’ while others’ views feel distorted. Adam introduces naïve realism and connects it to distance: we see ourselves and close friends in high detail (with context), but strangers as blurry caricatures, inviting harsh judgment.

    • Naïve realism: feeling like we see the world ‘as it is’ without interpretation
    • Interpretation happens ‘under the hood’ even for high-level beliefs and values
    • Psychological distance reduces perceived complexity and increases moral condemnation
    • Close relationships provide context, creating more forgiveness and nuance
    • Parallel with vision: only the focal point is detailed; periphery is inherently blurrier
  16. 1:06:07 – 1:11:41

    Can we overcome cognitive biases? Why naming them doesn’t ‘fix’ them

    Chris describes the rationalist impulse to memorize bias lists to become more rational. Adam argues that many mental processes aren’t directly editable—knowing the mechanism doesn’t mean you can bypass it—and trying can add shame and stress rather than improvement.

    • Knowing biases doesn’t automatically grant control over them
    • Some errors can be reduced (e.g., spotting sunk cost), others persist structurally
    • Optimization mindset misapplied to emotions and cognition can backfire
    • Bias-knowledge can add shame: ‘I knew better and still did it’
    • Takeaway ‘vibe’: we are less rational than we think, and that’s not cured by terminology

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