Can You Teach Mental Toughness? | Jordan Wallace, Paul Warrior & Tim Briggs

1. 0:05 – 1:33

   Pre-show banter: parkour, performance gear, and overpriced “blood and semen” pants

   1. JWJordan Wallace0:05

      ... like run and they'll j- they'll go like this. They'll go ... I have to be careful I don't poo here but ... but ... (laughs) Parkour.

   2. PWPaul Warrior0:12

      Have you got your squirts?

   3. JWJordan Wallace0:13

      Still not good, mate. Still not good.

   4. CWChris Williamson0:14

      No, he's had, he's had two-

   5. JWJordan Wallace0:15

      Two Sorens, first squirt of the day.

   6. CWChris Williamson0:17

      ... two lunch box sized Sorens wearing them.

   7. PWPaul Warrior0:19

      You can wear the blood and semen pants at Valhalla.

   8. JWJordan Wallace0:21

      Ah, I don't need blood and semen.

   9. CWChris Williamson0:21

      (laughs) You brought the blood and semen pants?

   10. PWPaul Warrior0:24

       (laughs)

   11. CWChris Williamson0:24

       You're not getting them on?

   12. JWJordan Wallace0:24

       Get them on.

   13. CWChris Williamson0:25

       £357 worth of pants?

   14. PWPaul Warrior0:26

       156 pounds these.

   15. CWChris Williamson0:28

       (laughs)

   16. PWPaul Warrior0:28

       It's 300 quid, the pair.

   17. JWJordan Wallace0:30

       Mate, they are, they are shite them, like.

   18. TBTim Briggs0:32

       They are.

   19. CWChris Williamson0:32

       Catastrophic, aren't they?

   20. PWPaul Warrior0:33

       They are.

   21. JWJordan Wallace0:34

       They're so bad.

   22. TBTim Briggs0:35

       What, who actually makes them?

   23. PWPaul Warrior0:36

       Battles Supreme.

   24. TBTim Briggs0:37

       No, but like who-

   25. CWChris Williamson0:39

       Whose semen is it?

   26. TBTim Briggs0:39

       No, who makes the clothes? Do you know? Like did it-

   27. PWPaul Warrior0:42

       I don't know.

   28. TBTim Briggs0:42

       Did they have their own manufacturer?

   29. CWChris Williamson0:43

       Made in, uh, what is this?

   30. TBTim Briggs0:44

       I always wondered this.
2. 1:33 – 3:29

   Regionals recap: coaching vs competing, boredom, and the reality of long events

   1. CWChris Williamson1:33

      Parkour. Uh, so Jordan, Paul, and Tim from We Dominate Nutrition, Reebok CrossFit Tyneside, Warrior Programming, Built of North, and about 45 other businesses as well, back today. Hi.

   2. TBTim Briggs1:45

      Hey.

   3. JWJordan Wallace1:46

      Hi, Chris.

   4. CWChris Williamson1:46

      Hi there. How are you?

   5. JWJordan Wallace1:48

      (laughs)

   6. CWChris Williamson1:48

      How was regionals?

   7. TBTim Briggs1:50

      It was good.

   8. JWJordan Wallace1:51

      Tim, you go.

   9. CWChris Williamson1:52

      It was good. Uh, good time out there. Had fun all the way through really. Mm-hmm.

   10. TBTim Briggs1:57

       Yeah, different experience for us all really, but in a coaching aspect.

   11. CWChris Williamson2:02

       Why different?

   12. TBTim Briggs2:04

       Jordan wasn't there competing.

   13. JWJordan Wallace2:07

       Yeah.

   14. TBTim Briggs2:08

       It was weird to see the other side of it.

   15. CWChris Williamson2:10

       How did you find it for the first time?

   16. JWJordan Wallace2:11

       Uh, it was just weird. It was like, it was like super relaxed, whereas normally it's obviously quite intense, isn't it?

   17. CWChris Williamson2:16

       Yeah.

   18. JWJordan Wallace2:16

       Like, you're like bed for a certain time, you're up at a certain time, you're stressing about stuff. Like there was none of that, so it was, it was cool.

   19. CWChris Williamson2:23

       You were just chilling out and working out night.

   20. JWJordan Wallace2:24

       Just chilling. It was, it was to be honest-

   21. CWChris Williamson2:27

       Gin.

   22. JWJordan Wallace2:27

       No gins, no gins, bro. Um, but to be honest, it was like, it was very boring. It was very boring. (laughs)

   23. CWChris Williamson2:34

       Yeah.

   24. JWJordan Wallace2:34

       Like after the team had been on it was like great, but then that first day just dragged on so long.

   25. CWChris Williamson2:40

       Was that, was the first day the one with the most ...

   26. JWJordan Wallace2:42

       It had the longest events in, so like, the f- after the team had been on, the team were finished by like 10, 10 or 11, and then we were there 'til six.

   27. CWChris Williamson2:49

       Ah, that was almost ... Was that triple three?

   28. JWJordan Wallace2:50

       Yeah, we were there 'til six watching people run on a treadmill for half an hour, so that was ...

   29. CWChris Williamson2:54

       Did anyone throw up?

   30. JWJordan Wallace2:55

       That was boring.
3. 3:29 – 7:37

   Emotional investment as coaches: supporting multiple athletes and handling mixed outcomes

   1. PWPaul Warrior3:29

      It was intense, I thought.

   2. JWJordan Wallace3:31

      Yeah.

   3. PWPaul Warrior3:31

      I thought it was intense even though like o- even though like we weren't leading the team.

   4. CWChris Williamson3:35

      Yeah.

   5. PWPaul Warrior3:35

      And there was someone else doing that. Felt like you're being present and like proper emotionally invested in the team, and then two different individual athletes there with us directly, and then one with Tim, just like your heart was in your mouth for the entire weekend.

   6. CWChris Williamson3:49

      Mm-hmm.

   7. PWPaul Warrior3:49

      And like even if you had one event go well for one person-

   8. CWChris Williamson3:51

      Yeah.

   9. PWPaul Warrior3:51

      ... chances are it wouldn't go well for the other one.

   10. CWChris Williamson3:53

       Mm-hmm.

   11. PWPaul Warrior3:54

       So you just end up just like, I don't know-

   12. TBTim Briggs3:57

       There was a-

   13. PWPaul Warrior3:57

       ... constipated for three days. (laughs)

   14. CWChris Williamson3:59

       Well, that's the exact op- that's the exact opposite of what's happening to everyone right now.

   15. PWPaul Warrior4:02

       Exactly. (laughs)

   16. TBTim Briggs4:02

       (laughs)

   17. PWPaul Warrior4:02

       All the athletes are-

   18. CWChris Williamson4:02

       It's the exact opposite of you right now.

   19. PWPaul Warrior4:02

       All the athletes are pretty loose.

   20. JWJordan Wallace4:05

       Yeah.

   21. PWPaul Warrior4:05

       And yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson4:06

       Desperately, desperately wanting everyone to be constipated.

   23. PWPaul Warrior4:08

       Yeah. So yeah, just wanting everyone to succeed. And, um, obviously, like, you know, no one got to the games, so obviously there was like levels of success vary.

   24. CWChris Williamson4:16

       Mm-hmm.

   25. PWPaul Warrior4:17

       Depending whether it was like overcoming something that was, that you were bricking that you couldn't do.

   26. CWChris Williamson4:21

       Yeah.

   27. PWPaul Warrior4:22

       Or, you know, having things in the bag that when you go out on the floor just doesn't pay off. I mean, it's just like-

   28. CWChris Williamson4:27

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JWJordan Wallace4:27

       I know what you're saying.

   30. PWPaul Warrior4:27

       ... heart in mouth the whole time.
4. 7:37 – 9:07

   From elite outcomes to everyday transformations: what ‘impressive’ progress really is

   1. JWJordan Wallace7:37

      ... a great number.

   2. CWChris Williamson7:37

      ... I suppose that the, the business now, y- you know, we dominate nutrition and more of your programming is servicing an awful, awful lot of athletes. But at varying levels. You know, you've got a number of different packages and it's like, well, where are you ... Obviously you want to be able to demonstrate your, um, your programming with athletes at the absolute pinnacle of the sport.

   3. PWPaul Warrior7:57

      Yeah.

   4. CWChris Williamson7:58

      But there's no r- reason in and of itself why someone making it to the games is any more impressive than someone going from completely sedentary to being a good local level CrossFitter.

   5. JWJordan Wallace8:08

      I think that's more impressive.

   6. Yeah.

   7. From my end. I love seeing that more.

   8. CWChris Williamson8:10

      It's just less, there's less, there's less a- acclaim to it, I suppose.

   9. JWJordan Wallace8:13

      I would just say as well, though-

   10. CWChris Williamson8:13

       It doesn't look as good on a flyer as well.

   11. JWJordan Wallace8:15

       ... I think those guys who are, who are going for the games and have those aspirations, they're a lot more, like needy is not the right term, but they're a lot more needy. You know?

   12. They're quite demanding, right?

   13. They need a lot more attention. They need stuff to be, um, explained to them because they want to understand, to have that like need-

   14. CWChris Williamson8:32

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JWJordan Wallace8:32

       ... to have the understanding. Whereas people at that lower level, they don't really care.

   16. CWChris Williamson8:35

       A bit less rigorous, you mean.

   17. JWJordan Wallace8:35

       You know, if they're getting v- if they're getting better, they're happy. They don't want-

   18. CWChris Williamson8:38

       Yeah.

   19. JWJordan Wallace8:38

       ... to know why they're getting better.

   20. CWChris Williamson8:38

       And there's, there's probably so much low-hanging fruit, I guess, for you-

   21. JWJordan Wallace8:41

       Exponential, yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson8:42

       ... new people as well.

   23. JWJordan Wallace8:42

       Yeah. It's exponential at that early stage as well.

   24. CWChris Williamson8:45

       Just-

   25. JWJordan Wallace8:45

       ... how quick they can grow compared to-

   26. CWChris Williamson8:47

       Absolutely.

   27. JWJordan Wallace8:47

       ... the plateau, then it's just marginal gains for years and years.

   28. No, the curve's like that, you know, like when they first start doing especially something that's even semi, um, semi-wey, as in just semi-

   29. CWChris Williamson8:58

       (laughs)

   30. JWJordan Wallace8:58

       ... semi-personalized for them, it's, it's so much more productive for them.
5. 9:07 – 13:16

   Love Island analogies and gym in-jokes: fame, thrusters, sweat, and tanning

   1. CWChris Williamson9:07

      I mean, I, I imagine that allowing some of your athletes to step out onto the competition floor after you've been with them for ages and prepped them and built them up must be similar to the feeling that I've got about Adam Collard going on Love Island. (laughs)

   2. JWJordan Wallace9:23

      (laughs) You've built them up and developed them.

   3. CWChris Williamson9:25

      Yeah.

   4. JWJordan Wallace9:25

      And then he's gone-

   5. CWChris Williamson9:26

      You've cut them free.

   6. PWPaul Warrior9:27

      You've cracked him. Yeah. (laughs)

   7. CWChris Williamson9:28

      You know what I mean? You've, you've-

   8. JWJordan Wallace9:28

      You've cut them free. Go on, son.

   9. CWChris Williamson9:29

      ... he's got this roughly hewn rock that you've found-

   10. PWPaul Warrior9:32

       Uh-huh.

   11. CWChris Williamson9:32

       ... and you've polished it and buffed it for years and years and-

   12. JWJordan Wallace9:35

       Oh.

   13. CWChris Williamson9:36

       ... you've calmed it down.

   14. JWJordan Wallace9:37

       Incredible.

   15. CWChris Williamson9:38

       Then you've set it on its way.

   16. JWJordan Wallace9:40

       Yeah. But how do you-

   17. CWChris Williamson9:40

       You've pulled the pin. (laughs)

   18. JWJordan Wallace9:40

       How do you honestly-

   19. CWChris Williamson9:41

       (laughs) You've just thrown it into-

   20. JWJordan Wallace9:43

       (laughs) How do you honestly feel that he's now got 200,000 followers on Instagram?

   21. CWChris Williamson9:48

       Um, well again, you know, like-

   22. JWJordan Wallace9:50

       He's a lot more famous than you now.

   23. CWChris Williamson9:51

       He is. Some of your athletes, some of your athletes can deadlift more than you though. Do you feel bad about that?

   24. JWJordan Wallace9:57

       (laughs)

   25. Great, great question.

   26. That's true. That's a great, that's a great comparison. (laughs)

   27. Not many.

   28. PWPaul Warrior10:02

       (laughs)

   29. JWJordan Wallace10:02

       You've got the root and burly in exactly the same way.

   30. PWPaul Warrior10:04

       I can do two things. Deadlift's one of them.
6. 13:16 – 17:55

   Pivot to the core topic: can mindset and mental toughness be trained?

   1. CWChris Williamson13:16

      So, um, we've got two topics that we can talk about.

   2. Uh-huh.

   3. One of them is gonna be mindset and one of them is gonna be nutrition. Which ones do you wanna go for today?

   4. Let's go mindset.

   5. JWJordan Wallace13:24

      Let's go mindset 'cause I think it would be good for you to do one with Timmy on nutrition 'cause they're-

   6. CWChris Williamson13:28

      Cool.

   7. To separate it out.

   8. Agree.

   9. Cool. So, um, my question, my main question about mindset within sport is you guys try and prepare your athletes as best as possible with, uh, periodization for strength, for energy levels, for their, um, mood.

   10. JWJordan Wallace13:45

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson13:45

       You're managing everything that you can to get them to have the highest ability, uh, the highest access to all of their potential output or performance within, let's say, a crossfit competition.

   12. Yeah.

   13. But the same would be true if you were a gymnast, if you were a... Careful, careful. There you go.

   14. JWJordan Wallace14:01

       Steady.

   15. CWChris Williamson14:01

       Um-

   16. JWJordan Wallace14:02

       Good work.

   17. CWChris Williamson14:03

       The same would be true if you were a powerlifter or presumably a martial artist, someone who does-

   18. Yeah, whatever it is.

   19. ... Brazilian jiu-jitsu, whatever it is. Um, but the biggest mediator of someone's output of their potential is whether or not, in their mind, they tell themselves to do it.

   20. JWJordan Wallace14:19

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson14:19

       Like if someone is in the middle of a really long horrible workout while their lungs are burning and their legs are aching and their mind's telling them to stop, them telling themselves not to stop makes all the difference in the world.

   22. JWJordan Wallace14:32

       Yeah, 100%.

   23. CWChris Williamson14:33

       How do you train that s- how do you, how do you actually help to sort of-

   24. I'd say the best don't have that question in their head.

   25. JWJordan Wallace14:42

       Yeah, I think if you look at anybody-

   26. CWChris Williamson14:43

       And-

   27. JWJordan Wallace14:43

       Sorry, go on mate. Go on.

   28. CWChris Williamson14:44

       Yeah, if there's any doubt in their head of "I need to stop," you're probably not gonna be up there anyway.

   29. JWJordan Wallace14:50

       Like if you look at like anybody who's successful in any athletic field, any athletic field, so like Ronaldo as a footballer, you know, famous American footballers or anything like that, like none of them have a doubt about their ability or that they're supposed to be there.

   30. CWChris Williamson15:03

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
7. 17:55 – 22:22

   Gym culture and ‘professional bullying’: external accountability as mindset training

   1. JWJordan Wallace17:55

      I think we manage it-

   2. CWChris Williamson17:56

      More-

   3. JWJordan Wallace17:56

      ... in different ways though. I think like, I think with these two it's hard 'cause these two are like two robust bastards who will push themselves hard in workouts.

   4. CWChris Williamson18:04

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JWJordan Wallace18:05

      So Tim can relate to his own personal thing. Tim will batter himself.

   6. CWChris Williamson18:08

      How many disk fusions have you had?

   7. Zero. I've, I've slipped a disk.

   8. You've slipped it a couple of times though?

   9. JWJordan Wallace18:14

      Multiple disks though.

   10. CWChris Williamson18:14

       Yeah, yeah-

   11. JWJordan Wallace18:15

       Badly.

   12. CWChris Williamson18:16

       Yeah. Rather badly.

   13. JWJordan Wallace18:17

       Full-

   14. CWChris Williamson18:17

       And then you, and then you did your knee.

   15. JWJordan Wallace18:18

       The Tim full spinal-

   16. CWChris Williamson18:18

       Knee or knees?

   17. Knee, yeah. I tore my patella tendon.

   18. Yes, so ... that's recovering now.

   19. JWJordan Wallace18:22

       So Tim, Tim, Tim's problem is definitely- Tim's full spinal was developed for Tim Briggs.

   20. CWChris Williamson18:26

       Mm.

   21. JWJordan Wallace18:26

       Yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson18:27

       But I can go full spinal now and that's completely fine, um.

   23. You can squat?

   24. It's, I'm so robust with my spine, it's fine.

   25. Well it's one disk, isn't it now?

   26. JWJordan Wallace18:34

       But with Tim-

   27. CWChris Williamson18:35

       (laughs) Yes. It's, it's-

   28. (laughs)

   29. JWJordan Wallace18:37

       ... it's just-

   30. CWChris Williamson18:39

       It's just nerves. (laughs)
8. 22:22 – 24:34

   Breakthrough moments: engineered suffering, emotional meltdowns, and learning you can do more

   1. CWChris Williamson22:22

      I was... I remember a story that Meg once told me about a workout she'd done. I think it was something to do with snatches, and you were in there. And she was l- uh, really, really unhappy during this workout.

   2. PWPaul Warrior22:34

      Yeah.

   3. CWChris Williamson22:35

      And constantly going, and you had been... uh, she, she said she wanted to give up. You said, "You're not fucking giving up." Apparently, you kept on doing snatches closer and closer to a wall.

   4. PWPaul Warrior22:43

      Yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson22:43

      And then, once she'd completed it with, like, pretty much with tears streaming down her face, you threw the keys at her and said, "Go lock up."

   6. PWPaul Warrior22:49

      I don't think I threw the keys at her. I think she's modified that slightly.

   7. CWChris Williamson22:53

      Do you know this story that I'm talking about?

   8. PWPaul Warrior22:54

      She was facing the wall crying quite heavily, yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson22:57

      Right. Do you think that something like that, or, um-

   10. PWPaul Warrior23:01

       I don't th-

   11. CWChris Williamson23:01

       ... for cer- for certain athletes-

   12. PWPaul Warrior23:03

       (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson23:03

       ... do you think that kind of breaking down those barriers and pushing them through it... uh, 'cause I know-

   14. PWPaul Warrior23:06

       (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson23:06

       ... that she found that a very... uh, o- out the other side, at the time, probably not very happy. Afterwards, I know that she found that a very rewarding experience.

   16. PWPaul Warrior23:13

       Yeah, but I think-

   17. CWChris Williamson23:13

       And she found it very valuable.

   18. PWPaul Warrior23:14

       Yeah. I didn't sort of force her into that, though.

   19. CWChris Williamson23:16

       No.

   20. PWPaul Warrior23:16

       That wasn't me, like-

   21. CWChris Williamson23:17

       But she's a, she's a top level athlete-

   22. PWPaul Warrior23:18

       ... saying, "I, I pull for you."

   23. CWChris Williamson23:19

       ... who understands exactly what she's doing.

   24. PWPaul Warrior23:20

       We were... She was ba- she was preparing for regionals. We were doing it on our own. She was our first individual client. We looked at the programming and wrote for something that we felt was definitely going to challenge her and-

   25. CWChris Williamson23:29

       Test her.

   26. PWPaul Warrior23:30

       ... test her.

   27. CWChris Williamson23:30

       (laughs)

   28. PWPaul Warrior23:30

       But we, but we knew that w- you know, we knew that the weights and the loads were going to be more testing than what she'd done in the gym.

   29. CWChris Williamson23:34

       Crying full time.

   30. PWPaul Warrior23:35

       (laughs)
9. 24:34 – 27:02

   Handling no-reps and adversity: staying calm, engaging judges, and controlling emotions

   1. PWPaul Warrior24:34

      I think one of the clients, sh- she'd had a really bad year at regionals, and, uh, it was just before I started working with her, and, um, she sort of de- DQ'd on one of the workouts and wasn't able to proceed to later on in the competition, and that had sat heavily with her. And I think a- after a few conversations with her and some strong training sessions and some belief in-

   2. TBTim Briggs24:52

      ... um, at the time, there was a phrase that I now fucking hate, which is stay in your lane. Um, and that, at the time, resonated with her. And for her, it was actually this switch of like, "I can manage my own shit. If a judge no reps me, I can stop and manage that situation in a much better way by just leaving, just looking at the judge and saying, 'Tell me what I'm doing wrong.'"

   3. CWChris Williamson25:12

      Yeah.

   4. TBTim Briggs25:13

      'Cause you got that many no reps on a wall ball, is that, she just kept frying herself out and getting more emotional about the situation at the time. Um, and then for her, it was quite a simple mindset shift. It was, "Hang on, I can stop for five seconds and get no more no reps-"

   5. CWChris Williamson25:28

      Yeah.

   6. TBTim Briggs25:28

      "... if I just engage with my judge and say, you know-"

   7. CWChris Williamson25:30

      That happened to me, yeah.

   8. TBTim Briggs25:30

      "... 'What the fuck do you want me to do?'"

   9. CWChris Williamson25:32

      Happened to me with pistols, right?

   10. JWJordan Wallace25:32

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. TBTim Briggs25:33

       Yeah.

   12. JWJordan Wallace25:33

       I've had that with pistols. I've had that multiple times with different things. But yeah, it's like one of those things, like the way I always think about it is you work so hard to get there, um, you worked so hard to get there, like, why let a no rep get in the way of it?

   13. CWChris Williamson25:48

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JWJordan Wallace25:48

       You get a no rep, just crack on, just do another.

   15. TBTim Briggs25:50

       It's all about ethos though, isn't it?

   16. JWJordan Wallace25:51

       Yeah. Like, you know, like the judge was no rep-ing us for something that was a rep. Like, to be fair, she was, she was giving me the reps on the leg where there shouldn't have been reps. So I can't really complain.

   17. CWChris Williamson25:59

       Give, give you a give with them, take it away.

   18. JWJordan Wallace26:01

       But, you know, it's give and, it's give and take, but...

   19. CWChris Williamson26:02

       Yeah.

   20. JWJordan Wallace26:03

       You know, like I could have, like other athletes did that again, stood there and shouted in her face. But then like what, what good does that do? 'Cause she's, she's not given us the reps. So all I did was just turned, finished the workout, and then that was it. Like, didn't go back and complain, didn't put a complaint in.

   21. CWChris Williamson26:19

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JWJordan Wallace26:19

       There's, there's no point. They're not gonna give you-

   23. CWChris Williamson26:21

       Yeah.

   24. JWJordan Wallace26:21

       ... any reps back. So...

   25. CWChris Williamson26:22

       Yeah, what can they do?

   26. JWJordan Wallace26:22

       Yeah. Just there's no point in dwelling on it. Like, I, I came, I think I came seventh in that event. I could have probably came third.

   27. CWChris Williamson26:28

       Yeah.

   28. TBTim Briggs26:28

       Yeah.

   29. JWJordan Wallace26:28

       But didn't matter. Finished 26th.

   30. TBTim Briggs26:30

       You know what I mean?
10. 27:02 – 37:29

    Regionals programming critique: unpredictability, ‘Linda,’ and the savage endurance tests

    1. CWChris Williamson27:02

       Yeah. So what, uh, what are your thoughts on... 'Cause reg- regionals is completely finished now, right?

    2. JWJordan Wallace27:08

       Done now, yeah.

    3. TBTim Briggs27:09

       Done, done so games next.

    4. CWChris Williamson27:10

       So what, what's your thoughts, what's your thoughts on the workouts that got issued this year for regional athletes?

    5. JWJordan Wallace27:14

       Test of fitness, isn't it?

    6. TBTim Briggs27:15

       I think it's, I think it's real tough though, because like there's just no consistency with the programming. So it's like, it's just... I understand that the sport is like unknown and unknowable.

    7. CWChris Williamson27:25

       Yeah.

    8. TBTim Briggs27:25

       But I think there should be a bit of consistency with like the tests.

    9. CWChris Williamson27:28

       Mm-hmm.

    10. TBTim Briggs27:28

        Like the open, you kind of know what you're gonna get.

    11. CWChris Williamson27:30

        Yeah. Yeah.

    12. TBTim Briggs27:30

        Regionals, it should kind of be the same. Like...

    13. CWChris Williamson27:33

        Yeah.

    14. TBTim Briggs27:33

        There should kind of be a formula that you have to follow. Like I don't understand how everything can go from being with a dumbbell last year-

    15. CWChris Williamson27:38

        (laughs)

    16. TBTim Briggs27:38

        ... to this year there's no dumbbells in there.

    17. CWChris Williamson27:40

        Yeah.

    18. TBTim Briggs27:40

        Well, there was, but...

    19. CWChris Williamson27:41

        That's allowed in, uh...

    20. TBTim Briggs27:41

        Yeah, it was two dumbbells this time, not one. You've got box, you've got box...

    21. JWJordan Wallace27:44

        So you've got the box set done.

    22. TBTim Briggs27:44

        And then now you've got two dumbbells, and then you've got box. It's like...

    23. CWChris Williamson27:46

        Yeah.

    24. TBTim Briggs27:46

        Just have a bit of consistency about-

    25. CWChris Williamson27:48

        Yeah.

    26. TBTim Briggs27:48

        ... what, what it's gonna be. I think he's trying to think of how he can trip people up-

    27. CWChris Williamson27:52

        Yeah.

    28. TBTim Briggs27:53

        ... more so than show off people's fitness. People did well this year. Obviously, the best are always gonna do well.

    29. CWChris Williamson28:00

        Mm-hmm.

    30. TBTim Briggs28:00

        And they're gonna qualify. But those on the outside, some did really well, if that's a bar, like if they can bench press. Those who can't bench press probably didn't do that well.
11. 37:29 – 43:24

    Judging, video standards, and CrossFit controversies: Reddit, penalties, and disqualifications

    1. CWChris Williamson37:29

       So I got watch, I got to watch, um, Sam Briggs, Sara Sigmundsdottir, and Erin McQuaid do 18.3.

    2. PWPaul Warrior37:37

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson37:37

       And, um, one of the coaches of, uh, CrossFit Club Lisanne there had to judge Sam Briggs. Remembering that he was gonna go and do 18.3 afterwards and be judged by them.

    4. PWPaul Warrior37:47

       Yeah.

    5. CWChris Williamson37:47

       And before he went over, I was like, "Mate, are you more nervous to judge her doing her effort or for her to judge you?" And his, like, hand was like-

    6. PWPaul Warrior37:54

       "Yeah."

    7. CWChris Williamson37:55

       Yeah. He was like-

    8. PWPaul Warrior37:55

       "Yeah." (laughs)

    9. CWChris Williamson37:56

       And you could see him there.

    10. JWJordan Wallace37:57

        He's a proper twitchy boy, isn't it?

    11. CWChris Williamson37:58

        It's like 400 double-unders twice, right? So like 800 chances to get it wrong.

    12. JWJordan Wallace38:02

        Yeah. It was, it was like 100 double-unders, then someone else, then 100 double-unders, then someone else.

    13. CWChris Williamson38:07

        There's four ... Yeah, there's 800, 800 reps.

    14. JWJordan Wallace38:07

        Two hou- ... Yeah, 200, 400, yeah.

    15. CWChris Williamson38:09

        And you're-

    16. JWJordan Wallace38:09

        800 opportunities to mess up.

    17. CWChris Williamson38:10

        In between ... Yeah, exactly, in between everything else. And you could see from the side, and he's going, "One, two, three, four, five, six-"

    18. JWJordan Wallace38:16

        On the fingers.

    19. CWChris Williamson38:17

        "... seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12."

    20. JWJordan Wallace38:17

        Yeah. (laughs)

    21. PWPaul Warrior38:18

        (laughs)

    22. CWChris Williamson38:18

        Like, the most focused that you've ever seen someone in their life. Like, he definitely, definitely had more, um, more single-mindedness when judging than when, when performing. (laughs)

    23. JWJordan Wallace38:31

        Than actually performing.

    24. PWPaul Warrior38:31

        But also with relief. Even judging him is pretty tough.

    25. Yeah, I'm bad on the double-unders. Like, so ... (laughs)

    26. JWJordan Wallace38:36

        No, not even that. It's just you feel a bit like y- you're nervous about it, 'cause you know they're recording.

    27. CWChris Williamson38:41

        You don't fuck up, right, yeah.

    28. JWJordan Wallace38:41

        You know they're probably gonna get sent ... one of them's gonna get sent off.

    29. PWPaul Warrior38:44

        I remember, I remember I judged Jordan once in a w- in a workout. It was one that actually got monitored, actually got viewed by regionals. The squat cleaning one, wasn't it?

    30. CWChris Williamson38:50

        The squat cleaning one.
12. 43:24 – 45:57

    Berlin logistics: venue quality, food/hydration issues, and spectator pass headaches

    1. JWJordan Wallace43:24

       I, um, I thought the rest of the weekend was good, like the events were really, really good.

    2. CWChris Williamson43:28

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JWJordan Wallace43:28

       Really, really challenging.

    4. CWChris Williamson43:29

       Visually quite cool, right? Is there-

    5. JWJordan Wallace43:31

       Yeah, um-

    6. CWChris Williamson43:31

       ... making people walk forward with the bars-

    7. JWJordan Wallace43:33

       Yeah.

    8. CWChris Williamson43:33

       ... and stuff like that?

    9. JWJordan Wallace43:33

       Yeah, I liked that. I think, uh, the venue was pretty decent. Venue was good.

    10. CWChris Williamson43:37

        We're talking?

    11. JWJordan Wallace43:38

        Food was terrible.

    12. CWChris Williamson43:39

        We're not talking the food this time though, right?

    13. PWPaul Warrior43:39

        We were dehydrated this time.

    14. JWJordan Wallace43:40

        No, we're talking Berlin, so venue, venue was-

    15. CWChris Williamson43:42

        This will be the first time you've either been to Berlin, right?

    16. JWJordan Wallace43:44

        Yeah. Uh, no, first-

    17. PWPaul Warrior43:46

        Uh, I've, I've been to Berlin, but-

    18. JWJordan Wallace43:47

        It's the mother land for Tim, first time.

    19. CWChris Williamson43:48

        Well, yeah, I know, yeah, you're just surrounded by your own people aren't you?

    20. PWPaul Warrior43:51

        Oh, yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.

    21. JWJordan Wallace43:52

        Yeah.

    22. PWPaul Warrior43:52

        So we're in that now.

    23. CWChris Williamson43:53

        1945.

    24. JWJordan Wallace43:53

        19-

    25. PWPaul Warrior43:54

        1945.

    26. CWChris Williamson43:54

        This is great back here, right?

    27. PWPaul Warrior43:56

        Um, Berlin-

    28. JWJordan Wallace43:57

        Berlin was good. (laughs)

    29. PWPaul Warrior43:59

        (laughs)

    30. JWJordan Wallace43:59

        Uh, food in the, in the venue was terrible.
13. 45:57 – 50:21

    Open-season grind for coaches: sleep debt, managing dozens of athletes, and creating structure

    1. CWChris Williamson45:57

       How much, Paul, how much sleep do you get at regionals? Actually, no, I wanna ask, I'm gonna ask this-

    2. PWPaul Warrior46:01

       Do you know what thi-

    3. CWChris Williamson46:02

       How much sleep do you get, first off?

    4. JWJordan Wallace46:03

       In general?

    5. CWChris Williamson46:04

       When, yeah.

    6. JWJordan Wallace46:05

       In life.

    7. CWChris Williamson46:05

       Then, how do you, how much sleep do you get when it's the Thursday that the open workout gets announced?

    8. PWPaul Warrior46:11

       I have to, I have to be really honest that like this year I maybe didn't handle it the best. (laughs)

    9. CWChris Williamson46:15

       (laughs)

    10. PWPaul Warrior46:15

        But this year, I think like last year we had like three athletes, and then this year I think we had 18.

    11. CWChris Williamson46:21

        Did it feel like spinning plates at that point?

    12. PWPaul Warrior46:22

        Well, with nutrition, with, combined we had about 40.

    13. JWJordan Wallace46:23

        Well, qu- well with more nutrition. Yeah, with more, we got 40 athletes, so-

    14. PWPaul Warrior46:28

        We had 40 at the end, yeah.

    15. CWChris Williamson46:29

        At Berlin in one form or another?

    16. PWPaul Warrior46:30

        No, no, no.

    17. JWJordan Wallace46:30

        Wide across-

    18. CWChris Williamson46:31

        In one form or another across regionals, so-

    19. PWPaul Warrior46:33

        We were wide across-

    20. CWChris Williamson46:33

        No, no.

    21. JWJordan Wallace46:33

        We pressed you on why, Chris. We're wide. Wide.

    22. PWPaul Warrior46:34

        No, no, that's people who actually made it to regionals. And I think Tim's got a few games athletes now. Um, so I think, um, so I think-

    23. JWJordan Wallace46:44

        Signs, glitches.

    24. CWChris Williamson46:44

        (laughs)

    25. PWPaul Warrior46:44

        So I think, you know, that's the people who qualified, not just all of the other between however many clients. Like, you know, the extra 400, 500 people we've got doing it.

    26. CWChris Williamson46:53

        Yeah.

    27. PWPaul Warrior46:53

        So I think this year, I think, um, yeah, I don't think I slept, I don't think I slept for five weeks.

    28. CWChris Williamson46:59

        What about, um, when the open goes out on that Thursday night? Can you tell me what... 'cause I know that I've sat in a seminar with you before, and you've said to the athletes who are trying to perform at a high level for-

    29. PWPaul Warrior47:10

        Go to bed.

    30. CWChris Williamson47:11

        Yeah. Go to bed. Do not stay up and watch it.
14. 50:21 – 1:05:37

    Teams shift from 6 to 4: better viewing, higher standards, and reduced ‘weak link’ effects

    1. CWChris Williamson50:21

       Yeah. I was gonna say, let's talk about the fact that the teams have now moved from six people to four.

    2. JWJordan Wallace50:26

       Yeah, big change.

    3. CWChris Williamson50:26

       'Cause that... I don't think this had been released when we did our first podcast.

    4. JWJordan Wallace50:29

       No, it hadn't.

    5. CWChris Williamson50:30

       So what's, what's, what does that mean for gyms overall? I know... I think-

    6. JWJordan Wallace50:34

       I think-

    7. CWChris Williamson50:34

       Have the Wasatch Brutes or have Mayhem got three teams?

    8. JWJordan Wallace50:37

       Mayhem have got two. Uh, Vi- Invictus have got two as well.

    9. CWChris Williamson50:40

       Invictus have got two.

    10. And they both, both qualified for the games.

    11. JWJordan Wallace50:42

        Yeah. I think it's just like, it's a lot more, uh, it's better to watch for definite.

    12. CWChris Williamson50:47

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JWJordan Wallace50:47

        'Cause when there were six and you've got, like, eight lanes of six people on a field. Like, I say a field, but you know what I mean, in the field of play.

    14. CWChris Williamson50:55

        Mm-hmm. It's crowd control.

    15. JWJordan Wallace50:56

        It's like, "What's going on?"

    16. CWChris Williamson50:57

        Big chaotic.

    17. JWJordan Wallace50:58

        Looks like you've took a load of kids to, like-

    18. CWChris Williamson51:00

        Yeah.

    19. JWJordan Wallace51:01

        ... Chuck E. Cheese or whatever-

    20. CWChris Williamson51:01

        Yeah.

    21. JWJordan Wallace51:02

        ... and just filled them full of Coke. Filled the same crap on. There was a workout this year which was, like, two people were doing chest bar pull-ups. Two people were running. If that had been the six, it would, there would've been someone else doing something else somewhere else, and it just ends up being like this big-

    22. CWChris Williamson51:13

        It's just too much.

    23. JWJordan Wallace51:13

        ... big thing of chaos. So I think it was-

    24. CWChris Williamson51:14

        We all just stood still.

    25. JWJordan Wallace51:15

        I think it was a better format.

    26. CWChris Williamson51:16

        We just stood still. Yeah.

    27. Yeah, 'cause there was a lot of waiting last year.

    28. JWJordan Wallace51:18

        I think you ended up with a better... I think you ended up with a better quality of competition as well.

    29. CWChris Williamson51:21

        Yeah.

    30. JWJordan Wallace51:21

        Because that, that... Most gyms have two good people.

Episode duration: 1:28:34